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Now on BBC News, Inside Out. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:04 | |
Hello there, I'm Matthew Wright, and you're watching Inside Out. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Here's what's coming up on today's show: | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
The union wants guards to be responsible for train doors, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
but Southern Rail management want this to be the drivers' job. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
With frustrated commuters caught in the middle, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
we ask who's right. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
No one is more tired of this story than southern commuters, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
so why such chaos over who pushes the button? | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
We expose the job-seeking scam that has defrauded hundreds of Londoners. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
Do you know how many people I've spoken to who have been | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
affected by your fraud? | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
Who have lost thousands and thousands of pounds? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
And we pay tribute to Britain's first black publishing house, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
still going strong after 50 years. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
I do not believe that multicultural education would have been possible | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
but for the work that this book shop and others like it actually did. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
For the last six months, commuters on Southern Rail have been | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
enduring strikes, cancelled services and skeleton timetables. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
The key issue at stake? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Whether drivers or guards are responsible for closing | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
the train doors. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
The RMT union claim the guards also have a vital role to play in terms | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
of passenger safety, but in Europe they already have | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
unmanned fully automatic trains, while British Rail introduced | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
driver-only ones in the 1980s. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
So how did Southern end up in such a mess? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
We sent Mark Jordan to investigate. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:46 | |
Another week of strikes and southern discomfort. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
It is the tale of the sad little green train, loved by no one. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
Managers said it was an efficient, and unions warned it | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
would injure people if the drivers close the doors. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:06 | |
The striking guards said that was their job. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
The commuters were furious. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
In all the land, no one had worst punctuality | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
than the green trains of Southern. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
No one is more tired of the story than southern commuters. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
So why such chaos over who pushes the button? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:27 | |
How did a railway grind to a halt over who shuts the doors? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:34 | |
In Europe, I'll meet those already running unmanned automatic trains. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
Here on Southern, that is for another generation, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
because the UK row over guards has been running for half a century. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:48 | |
The first of London Transport's automatically-driven trains... | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
1969 and London Underground opens the Victoria Line. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Automatic, no guards. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
One man will be in charge of each train... | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
Today the entire London tube network runs without guards, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
in tighter space, underground, and carrying more passengers every | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
day than the entire UK rail network. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:13 | |
34 years ago, British Rail fought for the same. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
These brand-new electric trains sitting idly | 0:03:19 | 0:03:27 | |
in the sidings at Bedford sum up British Rail's problems. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
The trains can't be put into service because of a continuing row | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
over operations... | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
Sound familiar? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
In 1982, British Rail finally won this dispute | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
on what is now the Thameslink and here is where things get odd. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
This is Brighton. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
Two trains here from London. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
This is a Thameslink. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
It has been running driverless since 1982. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
This is Southern. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
They run with a guard. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
Let's take Brighton Station. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
You say keeping the guards is all about safety, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
so are the public risking their safety travelling on the tube, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
London Overground, or Thameslink, because none of them have guards? | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
They don't have guards and we have never accepted the guards should be | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
removed in any other situations. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Trap and drag incidents, where people are caught, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
are becoming more and more prevalent. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
What the train companies and the Government want you to do | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
is just accept the risk. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
We do not accept that we need to have a risk. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
But Transport For London claim that incidents actually reduced | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
when they turned their packed overground planes to driver only. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
The industry rail safety standards board was set up | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
to prevent accidents. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
From the research we have done over the last 15 years, we are very clear | 0:04:31 | 0:04:39 | |
that operating with driver-only is no more risky than having a guard | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
present, and in many cases is actually safer. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
He says safer because video in the driver's cab now gives a good | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
view of every door and rules out driver-guard miscommunication. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
The RMT dispute this. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
Deadlock. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
But if guards accept Southern's no-redundancies offer and become | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
customers supervisors with other responsibilities, any | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
of their future strikes would no longer stop trains. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
Most of the arrangements where drivers are operating trains | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
alone at the moment are actually agreements that | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
were reached by British Rail before privatisation occurred. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
But weren't we told privatisation would speed towards a modern, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
efficient railway? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Not it seems if strikes risk ticket revenue and profit. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
There was no incentive to lose the guard, but then the Government | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
gave Southern a unique fixed-fee contract, with no loss | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
of revenue for strikes. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Your contract means that when there is a strike | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
you still get paid. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
The lost ticket revenue is picked up by the taxpayer, the Government. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Is that correct? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
We have a very unique franchise in the way this one is operated | 0:05:47 | 0:05:54 | |
and all fares and revenues do go to the Government. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
There is still a cost to our reputation when we have strikes. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
Southern claimed the deal was to cover uncertainty over | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
the London Bridge redevelopment. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Overcrowding, the late... | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
That these angry commuters believe the Government | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
and Southern are in a pact. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
We are not able to even start to demystify the close | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
relationship between them and the Department for Transport. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
They are secretly backing them because that is their agenda. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
When they deliver new rolling stock, when they procure new rolling stock, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
that is a Trojan horse. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:38 | |
They put through on the back of it is to de-staff the trains | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
and the de-staff the stations. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
They call that modernisation. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
I'm saying to the Government we should be stripping this private | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
company of this franchise. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
Talk to us, we are willing to take over the suburban trains. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Can it be right that the Government ministers | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
have their heads in the sand? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
I have met so many commuters who actually hate your company. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
That is a terrible position to be in, isn't it? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
I totally sympathise with our customers and this is why | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
we need to make these changes very quickly now so we can bring | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
everything to an end. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
If I just open this cabinet... | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
In London this summer, something much more radical | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
was attempted on the Jubilee Line. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
TFL ran a test on a driverless tube in a depot. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:23 | |
It is an early precursor to some of the agenda that the employers | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
and the Government has got about dehumanising the railway. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
That we are on the alert and trying to be vigilant about it. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
Drivers earn about ?50,000 a year, that is 8000 more than some second | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
officers piloting easyJet flights. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
As TFL prepares to spend ?16 billion on trains | 0:07:41 | 0:07:51 | |
capable of full automation, the RMT say their drivers are going nowhere. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
Here in Paris, they are hardly any immune to the old | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
industrial dispute, but on their busiest commuter line | 0:08:00 | 0:08:10 | |
they have done something that leaves TFL and Southern in the dark ages | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
of railway technology. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
This is line one on the Paris Metro. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
It carries more people every day than the entire | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
Southern Rail franchise. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
The trains have no guards, no drivers, they are totally | 0:08:19 | 0:08:25 | |
automatic with 100% timing. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
It is very safe and very comfortable for them so it is not | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
a big issue, in fact. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
While Southern battle over who pushes the door button, this | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
entire line is driven from here. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
Any big event means more trains at the click of a mouse. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
It is quite amazing to think up to 750,000 people a day | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
are speeded to wherever they are going from this | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
one control room. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
In Paris, they are already automating the next line. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
Here in Haworth Heath, the chaos of Southern Railway has | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
forced Clare to move out. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
Fourth day of the week and it has taken you three hours a night to get | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
home, you're just ready to burst into tears. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
I would've been at risk of losing my job. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:17 | |
Six months on, perhaps the greatest insult is both sides still claim | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
the fight is for the passenger. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
We actually don't care whose fault it is any more, we just want | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
trains to run on time and we want our lives back. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
Mark Jordan reporting there. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
Still to come on today's show: | 0:09:32 | 0:09:42 | |
It was actually in the Black Panthers that I discovered Black | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
literature my interest developed. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
Not only did I discover a whole range of books about history, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
slavery, poetry from Africa and the Caribbean, it just opened up | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
a whole new world for me. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
When you are hunting for a job, it can be a great feeling | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
being called up and offered a position with decent | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
salary attached. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
Sometimes it pays to be on your guard because an undercover | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
investigation for Inside Out London has exposed a sophisticated | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
employment scam where candidates are offered positions in nonexistent | 0:10:08 | 0:10:17 | |
companies, a scam which has, in all likelihood, fooled hundreds | 0:10:17 | 0:10:23 | |
hundreds of job-seekers out of thousands of pounds. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Now the special report. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
These men and women have been taken in by one man. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
I want to welcome you to HTS, I'm John Phillips. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
He oversees a job scam and sophisticated fraud. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
You are very well aware of what your employment | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
life will be. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
We know it sucked in hundreds of people who paid thousands of pounds. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
These are just a few of them. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:58 | |
I've rarely come across someone whose scam was so realistic and had | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
such a huge impact on his victims. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
What we're going to do is give you a front row seat | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
on how that scam works. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Some highly qualified, some just starting. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
All were desperate to work in HR and progress their careers. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
They place their CV on job websites that can be openly | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
accessed by employers. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
Later they got contacted by John Phillips, in charge | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
of a large HR company, offering them what they | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
thought was their dream job. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
The job was an admin assistant role, which was supposed to be | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
based in London Bridge. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
I was going to be paid ?24,750. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
I couldn't be happier, my family was happy for me, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
and me personally, I just felt like finally I had made it. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:49 | |
To understand this scam, we are going to apply. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:59 | |
Our undercover reporter, we called her Jane Smith, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:10 | |
prepares a realistic CV and posts it online. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
On the kinds of sites that are victims have used. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
A few days later, a job description and an e-mail from one company, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
Premier Employment. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
And then a call confirming this to a man called John Phillips. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
Hello there. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
I'm just calling back about a job. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:31 | |
OK. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
I have HR, it is 24,000, that role is 9-5, Monday | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
to Friday, 20 days location. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:46 | |
We find a website and see it is registered on companies house. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
All the job-seekers are told to come for a final interview before signing | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
a contract and commencing work. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Our reporter is on her way to an office in the | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
heart of the city. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
But no sign of John at all. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
We are met by someone else, Tiffany. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
So basically they will put ?100 a month into your pension | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
and you should be able to join the private health care | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
plan and also they give you a free gym membership. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
One, two... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:27 | |
Next is the crux of how Phillips makes his money. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
All were asked by different assistants to pay for accreditation | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
to work at the company. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
We hand over our accreditation fee but are told it will be refunded. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
And then you get back 200... | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
And she said I would have to pay ?480. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
And you need to bring the cash in order for you to | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
start employment. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
You need to pay upfront before you start the job. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
So as the meeting with the undercover reporter was taking | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
place inside this building, I was waiting outside. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
Now we have heard from other victims that when it comes to actually | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
receiving the money, John is nowhere to be seen. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
So what I happened to record with my phone while waiting outside | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
is very interesting indeed. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:13 | |
I spot John Phillips, seemingly running operations | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
from outside, and if that is in any doubt, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
look who comes in. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
Tiffany. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Who we have given them money for so-called accreditation. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
She gives it to John. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Initially we thought she might have been part of it, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:39 | |
the later we discovered that she herself was being conned | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
with a fake job and is just as much a victim as everyone else. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
This lady, Lucille, not her real name, was exactly | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
like Tiffany, a senior manager. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
John persuaded her to pay for premises from her own funds | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
to interview candidates. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
Her task, to get the accreditation money off them. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
One week I did five payments, they just give it. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I just finished the interview and go back to John and give him the money | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
back as cash. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
?2,000, probably more. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
Then, devastating, when the whole thing turned out to be a lie. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
It is hard to trust yourself when you have been through this | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
and just get fooled like that. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
I do think we need to get him to stop. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
We receive a detailed list of instructions to start work. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
Our job, to find other candidates. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
We are sent a set of e-mails and numbers to call. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:45 | |
There are 30 numbers and e-mails here and what is clever, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
so to speak, about this is were we to do our job and invite | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
all of these people for interview it would mean | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
about ?7,000 for Mr Phillips. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
He is aware of the cash value of our calls and gets jumpy | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
when we don't make progress. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
You are not moving fast enough for me. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
No, well I don't understand what I'm supposed to be doing. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Check your e-mails, you have not sent any e-mails from the e-mail | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
we gave you. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
You're not paying attention. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
Are you reading what the company is sending you? | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
Yes, I am, I read it, but some things were missing. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
We investigate Mr Phillips. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:30 | |
He uses several aliases. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
John Phillips,Nathan Phillips as well. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
When I posed as a client... | 0:16:36 | 0:16:37 | |
Can I check what your name is? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Dale Barnett. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
Pardon? | 0:16:40 | 0:16:41 | |
Dale Barnett. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
The firms he has set up have professional looking websites. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
We find more than ten, some using fake company directors. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
And we speak to numerous job-seekers who have never been paid. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
With reports online suggesting this scam has been going on for years, | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
with possibly hundreds of victims. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
For these men and women, it wasn't just the money, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:09 | |
it was staking everything on a full-time job | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
and all that involved. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
I wouldn't say it is exactly depression, but it was a state | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
where I was completely stressed financially and I didn't know how | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
to cope with life in general. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
There is no company and there is no office, there is nothing behind. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
How can you possibly do that? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
Where is your humanity? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
John Phillips still thinks we are going to arrange him | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
people to be interviewed. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
And usually he agrees to meet us in person, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
to push us to do the calls to get him the candidates. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
We would find a way to make money at every possibility. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
The world is very competitive. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
For us to pay you, that is recycling, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
we don't throw anything away. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
He says goodbye, but now we seize the moment to ask him some | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
questions of our own. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
I'm from the BBC. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
I just wondered if you could tell me all about the high levels | 0:18:00 | 0:18:10 | |
of fraud you been committing against many | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
many people by lying about various jobs? | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
You don't want him talking about? | 0:18:21 | 0:18:22 | |
We have been recording you order the last few months offering people | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
jobs in fictitious companies. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
Are you aware that what you're doing is an incredibly serious | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
fraud, Mr Phillips? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Do you know how many people I've spoken to who had been | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
affected by your fraud, who have lost thousands | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
and thousands of pounds? | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
What you have to say to them, Mr Phillips? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
No answer, I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
I've never seen a pernicious kind of fraud as like you | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
are perpetuating. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:47 | |
I'm not going to talk to the BBC. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
I think he is scum. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
I can't believe he is getting away with it. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
I don't know how we can sleep at night. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
I don't know if he hates people. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
He is a horrible human being. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
Since our investigation, John Phillips has gone underground | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
leaving behind a trail of damage for his victims. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
October is Black History Month, which, amongst other things, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
offers the chance to celebrate the way black people have shaped | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
our capital's culture. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
In north London there is a small but very special shop that started | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
life as the UK's first black publishing house. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
It is now celebrating its 50th anniversary. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:27 | |
It sits just across the road from the Piri Piri Chicken | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and next door to the dry cleaners. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:41 | |
You would walk past it without noticing it. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
But here, in Finsbury Park, the tiny book shop | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
is of huge significance. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
New Beacon Books has since 1966 quietly gone about this business | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
of pushing black culture into the mainstream. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
Not only was it the first black publishing house and book-sellers, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
in this country but it started at a time when there was a very real | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
need for what it did. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:13 | |
If you look at the first few books we published, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
they were political, radical in the sense | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
that they were coming from a Caribbean anaesthetic. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:28 | |
It was quite simply an oasis in a dessert of knowledge | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
about black history and culture. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
New Beacon was the brainchild of this man, a poet, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
trade unionist and activist. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:41 | |
It published and sold books written from black communities all over | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
the world ever since. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
John's partner, Sarah White, started the shop with him | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
and still runs at now. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
It started in our bed sitting room. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
We had a book service, would you say. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
You wouldn't call it a book shop, it was a row of books on a shelf | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
in our bare living room. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
We gradually built up a collection of books of black interest | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
and we used to take them around. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:05 | |
We had a motorbike and we used to take them around on the motorbike. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
We didn't get a shop front or anything like that | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
for a long time. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:17 | |
By 1973, they had managed to buy the property they are still | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
in and open a proper shop. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
It meant for the first time Londoners could browse and buy books | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
that they otherwise might never have got the chance to read. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:35 | |
It wasn't fashionable to carry books by black writers. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
The idea of going into book shop and being readily able to pick up | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
books about the Caribbean or written by black authors was not an easy | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
thing to do. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
So this book shop, this publishing house, filled a massive gap | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
where that was concerned. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:59 | |
The book shop also houses the George Padmore Institute, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
founded by John 25 years ago. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
It is an archive storing material that tells of the experience | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
of Afro-Caribbean in Britain and Europe. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
The documents they hold often relate to radical change and include | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
groups like the once vilified Black Panthers. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
New Beacon worked closely with the Panthers selling | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
books at meetings. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
I was a Black Panther. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
And it was actually in the Black Panthers | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
where I discovered black literature and my interest developed | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
and I founded New Beacon. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
It played a significant part in my life because not only did | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
I discover a whole new range of books about Africa, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
history, slavery, I discovered a lot of poetry from Africa | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
and the Caribbean, you know. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
It opened up a whole new world for me. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:07 | |
Linton Crazy Johnson's ground-breaking Reggie poetry | 0:23:12 | 0:23:19 | |
was hugely popular and gives us a greater insight into the black | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
politics of the time, thus creating a greater togetherness | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
and he reckons that is exactly what this tiny book | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
shop was all about. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
Integration. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
We, the newcomers, adopt and adjust themselves to the way | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
of life of the country. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
And the people that were over here already get to find out about us. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:42 | |
New Beacon played a significant part in others getting | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
to find out about us. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
The book shop was able to take that idea of integration even further | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
by taking its books into schools and libraries for the first time. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Our children were not being given access to anything | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
about their own lives or their own history. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
One of the things that we did, that New Beacon did, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
was to make books available to libraries and to make books | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
available particularly to teaching centres, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
professional development centres for teachers. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
We were getting quite a lot of orders from libraries. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:20 | |
When libraries starting buying it was in the 80s, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:29 | |
this is part of a Government response to the riots. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:36 | |
It was an attempt to create a new middle-class. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
So you suddenly have actually government money, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
so the libraries have a pot of money to buy Afro-Caribbean collections. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
I do not believe that multicultural education as it came to be known | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
would have been possible but for the work that this book shop | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
and others later like it actually did. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
But it also did something else. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
It encourage young people, British-born, to write. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
It encouraged them to see themselves as capable of becoming authors. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:06 | |
So from a very modest beginning of a few books in a bedroom, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
we get inspiration, integration and education. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
Not bad things to be remembered for after 50 years | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
and still very quietly going about its business. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
New Beacon Books, what an amazing little place. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
That's it for this week's Inside Out. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Don't forget if you have missed any of the show you can catch up | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
on the iPlayer or head to our website. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
Thanks for watching. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:47 | |
See you next time. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 |