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APPLAUSE | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
CHEERING | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Oh, now. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Oh, you mustn't. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Shush. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
WOMAN: Whoo! Terry, woof! | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Woof, woof, indeed. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
A thinking man's audience we have in tonight. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Good evening. Now, as two of my guests tonight | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
are expected on the stage at the Savoy Theatre within the hour, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Horatio, we're getting straight on with the show tonight. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
"Thank goodness for that," they mutter. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Ingrates, all of you. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
I bring them in out of the rain and all they do is hurl abuse. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
LAUGHTER Not even money! | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Now, later on there's music and a natter with Boy George, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
with whom no-one comes nattier. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
- WOMAN: Whoo-hoo! - Whoo! There's Roger Cook. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
Not the intrepid, fearless investigator | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
who'd like to get the crooks to sing, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
but the Roger Cook who wrote I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
That's a Radio 2 link. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
And there's also the splendid Roy Kinnear. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Pardon? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Did that really say that? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Anyway, first, a man who played three American Presidents. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Of course, he was only acting. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Sometimes, I wish the present one was. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
But the man you're about to meet has also been | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Moses, Ben-Hur, El Cid, Michelangelo, Julius Caesar | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
and somebody even greater than those giants of history - Jason Colby. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
The erstwhile charioteer, parter of seas, bearer of tablets, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
is currently in London as A Man For All Seasons. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
We're delighted to welcome Charlton Heston. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
Well, Sir Thomas... Sir Thomas More. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
How do you like to be addressed? | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
As Sir Thomas, or... | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
- Tommy's all right. - Tommy. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
What, Mr Heston, or... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
- Chuck is fine. - Chuck. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
You're not crazy about Charlton. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
No, my mother calls me Charlton | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
and Mr Cecil B DeMille used to call me Charlton, but I... | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
It's...kind of an odd name, isn't it? | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
See, if we were broadcasting this in the States, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
where my mother might hear me, I wouldn't dare say that. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
You'll have to... | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
People would have to call you Charlton. | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
- No, my mother, though. - Yes, yes, quite. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Well, we've a football team here of that ilk, as well. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
- Bobby Charlton. - Bobby Charlton. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
Not a football team in himself, but almost. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
- Almost. - That's a fabulous costume. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
Thank you. It's... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
You get out of bed of a morning and leap straight into it? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
Yes, just get right into it, so I get into the part, you know. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Does it help? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
Do you feel Sir Thomas More coming over you? | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
Yes, that's really true. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
I've played a lot of these fellows | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
that wear dresses and things like that. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
- And...funny wigs and... - You have, haven't you? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
Oh, yes, I've gone... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
on the screen I've gone years without ever putting a pair of trousers on. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:36 | 0:03:37 | |
Must be... You've nowhere to put things. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
That's very difficult. Yes, you're quite right. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
No pockets. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
I've often thought I wouldn't like to be a woman for the same reason. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Chain mail is...has its drawbacks. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
So do togas and gowns. They are kinda spiffy, though, isn't it? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
It is, really, but I mean, do you like dressing up? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Do you like the costuming part of acting? | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I like to play, er...real great men of the past. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
I've done perhaps more than most of my fellows, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
and it's an interesting challenge | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
to play Thomas More in what is surely an English masterpiece. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
And to play it here in London in the first production | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
since Paul Scofield's memorable creation of the part in 1960 is - | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
as an American actor - I think, an honour, truly. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
And we've got a marvellous company, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
we're having a magnificent time over at the Savoy. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
You had extremely good critiques | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
and some, what I thought, very...cutting ones, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
which were based not so much on your performance, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
but based on the fact that... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
The play, which is outrageous, really. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
This Man For All Seasons is undeniably a great play, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
and will be performed for generations beyond us. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
Funny, Irving Wardle in The Times said that he didn't think the part of | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Sir Thomas More was all that great, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
but that you gave the definitive performance. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
Well, he was very generous, but... | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
Other people have said... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
They seem unable to accept you in that part, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
mainly, it seems, not because of the great roles that you did on film, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
but mainly because of the Jason Colby part. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
That keeps being dragged up. Does that annoy you? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
No, not really. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
I'll tell you the most important thing | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
I ever learned about notices and critics, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
and I was grateful for Mr Wardle's kind words | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
and the things other people said, but... | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
I was doing a play with Laurence Olivier | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
a number of years ago, many, many years ago, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
when I was young and green. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
And we got in, perhaps deserved, just terrible notices | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
and we were going to close at the end of the week, which we did. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
So I found myself, at two o'clock in the morning, all alone, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
the opening-night party having disappeared, and I was with Olivier | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
and a bottle of brandy | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
and I was striving for an attitude of detachment | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
and I said, "Well, I suppose you learn to dismiss the bad notices." | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
And he took my wrist and said, "Chuck, what's much more important | 0:05:56 | 0:06:02 | |
"and much harder, you have to learn to dismiss the good ones." | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
- And that is true. - Yes. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
- That's really true. - You seem... | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
You have to do the work for the work, you know? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
- Yeah. - That's, er... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
You love acting, don't you? | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
It's my life, yes. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:17 | |
Is that why you didn't pursue a career in politics, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
which I think you could easily have done? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Er, I think so, yes. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Er...indeed, I know so. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
However seriously I considered it - | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
and it wasn't very serious, the thing of running for the senate, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
but I thought, "My word, I'll never be able to act again." | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Never to play Macbeth again, never to play Sir Thomas More again. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
I didn't know at the time I was going to get another chance at it, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
I'd done it a couple of times. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
But all those marvellous parts that... I couldn't give it up. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
I couldn't bear it. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
What about the part of the President of America? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
- I've done that three times. - Of course you have! | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Yes, I've been President three times. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:58 | |
- Of course you have. - Yes. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
But, er, it seems to us - or seems to me - | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
looking as we get into the run-up for the American election, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
that nobody seems particularly convincing as a candidate. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
Nobody seems... At least, the American public don't seem convinced. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
I think they need another film star. I think... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
I tell you... | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
If Clint Eastwood doesn't go for it, I think you should. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
No, I... No, absolutely not. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
I think we've got some good candidates and it's... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
We have a rather clumsy process of sorting them out, you know. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
It's gonna take, what, the better part of the next 12 months | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
to arrive at who's going to be nominated by either party | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
and it always seems a...big kerfuffle at the beginning, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
and people drop out, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
and stumble and put their feet wrong and so on. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Um, but, er, we haven't been at it as long as you people have here, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
but we're, er, we're still there. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Is it an enormous attraction for you to do theatre | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
- as distinct from film? - Absolutely. Absolutely. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
But does your film and television work subsidise your theatre work? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
Well, but... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
I don't... | 0:08:09 | 0:08:10 | |
I don't denigrate work on the screen. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
I love it, I would be very, very sorry to give up either, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
and as long as people keep giving me jobs, I won't. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
My ideal is to switch from one to the other, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
which is roughly what I've been doing over the years. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
I was here two years ago on the stage | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
in The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Now I'm back in A Man For All Seasons and...frankly, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
I would, on the stage, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
just as soon act either in Los Angeles, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
where I can sleep in my own bed, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
or here in London. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
I've acted on Broadway, and this is the greatest city in the world | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
and the capital of the English-speaking theatre | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
and you're up to your neck in marvellous actors to work with. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
Is that not intimidating? Do you get intimidated? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
No, you can't. You know, for example, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Paul Scofield created Thomas More on the stage and on the screen. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
Won the Academy Award on the screen, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
it's considered the definitive performance, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
but I've followed Laurence Olivier and Ralph Richardson | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
and Michael Redgrave in Shakespearean parts on stage | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
and why not? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
That's what great parts are for - to be played again and again. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
This part will be played by somebody after me, and somebody after him | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
and somebody after him. It'll go on. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
And you got the... What was the big break? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
The big break, what was your first film? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Was it black and white? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
The first film was a black-and-white film. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
I had done a 16mm version of Julius Caesar before that, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
kind of a semi-amateur version. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
And then I did a sort of what they used to call film noir... | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
..called Dark City. Then the second picture I did was for DeMille, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
about the circus, and that won the Academy Award and then so on, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
and then Ten Commandments and so on and so on. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
And here we are, sitting here, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
and I'm wearing a dress and you're wearing a grey suit. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
A fine way to treat a great leader of men. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Have people tended to treat you with more than your due deference, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
because of the nature of the roles that you've played? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
That's an interesting question, Terry. I don't know. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Maybe it's either that or because I'm 6' 3" and I have a broken nose | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
- and a deep voice. - Oh, yeah. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
You're pretty intimidating. But have you... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
I think that may be true. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
What about its effect on you? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
Has it made you feel that you should be | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
treated with more than... due deference? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
No. I tell you what, playing men like Sir Thomas More and, er, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
Richelieu and Jefferson and Jackson and all those formidable - | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
truly formidable - individuals just gives you a sense of the dimension | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
of your own smaller dimension. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
I remember when I was going to play Michelangelo | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
in The Agony And The Ecstasy, and a British journalist... | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
Michelangelo was physically quite short - he was about 5' 6", I think. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
And he said, "Don't you think you're a bit tall to play Michelangelo?" | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
I said, "No, I think I'm a bit small." | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Yeah. In a different kind of way. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
- Yes, indeed. - Yeah. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
So, when you finish here now, you go back to the States with the play, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
or are you taking it on tour? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Well, we close here, January 9th at the Savoy. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Then we are, I'm happy to announce on your programme, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
reopening the Theatre Royal in Newcastle, which has been closed. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
It's one of the oldest and most beautiful theatres in London - | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
in Britain, I'm told. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
And we reopen it...the week after we close here in January, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
and then I believe we're doing a week in Brighton | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
and then maybe one more week, then I'll go back. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
- Yes. - But it's been... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
is now, and looks to go on being, a marvellous experience. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:58 | |
I've filmed in London, I've acted on the stage in London, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
I've toured as a private citizen here and done speeches | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
and all kinds of things. It's... | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
- I'm very glad to be back. - Well, it's good to see you. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
You're working with an old chum of yours, aren't you? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
- Yes, Roy Kinnear. - Whatever happened to him? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
I don't know. He's gone off a bit, you know. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
- Has he? - Yes, he has. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Yes. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie! | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
Well, of course, it's a pity that you have to work with somebody like that. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Roy, sh, sh! | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Sorry to interrupt a fascinating interview. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
- We're talking here. - It's a fascinating... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
- It's fascinating me... - Roy! | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
..but look, we've only got 15 minutes | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
- to get to the Savoy. - 15 minutes. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
No, no. I've... I've got your coat here. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Please, now, look. You cannot... Ladies and gentlemen, Roy Kinnear. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Please, please, could you... | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
COMMENTS DROWNED OUT BY APPLAUSE | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
I told you earlier he'd get nervous. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
We've only got 15 minutes. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
15 minutes, so could you ask the questions a bit quicker? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
- Faster. Faster. - Do you like working with him? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
- Yes, I do. - Do you like working with him? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
- Yes, he's marvellous. - He's very big for you, isn't he? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
- Well, no, he's about my size. - Is he? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Well, I cut him down to size in the end. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
Ha-ha(!) | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
What part could you possibly be playing | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
in this intellectual piece by Robert Bolt? | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Well, I play bits and bobs, you know. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
All different characters. All different. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
I mean, they all look exactly the same, but... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
But I wear a different hat sometimes. I take this hat off. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Do you? Terrific. Very good. Very good. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
And then put that on again. Ah-ha! You don't know who it is, do you? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Have you worked with... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:33 | |
Yes, Roy and I worked together in The Three Musketeers, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
had a marvellous time. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:38 | |
- I know, Roy, it'll be all right. - What time does the curtain go up? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
- 7.30, it's all right. - Plenty of time. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
15 minutes to get to the West End. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
There'll be dozens of people disappointed if we don't get there! | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
- They will. - See, Roy starts the play, so... | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
Do you? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
And then it goes downhill after that. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
So...are you... What are you doing? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Dressing, perhaps? Are you a dresser? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
A bit... Well, I do sometimes. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
I have a pair of slippers I put on Chuck. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
Sometimes he puts them on. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
I'm not very good on props, that's my trouble, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
well, apart from other things. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
And, um, I, er... | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
I usually put the wrong foot in the wrong shoe, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
and he goes around like that. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
What we've now done, we've taped inside the left-hand slipper "L" | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
and the right-hand slipper "R". | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Clever. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
That is a bit of a... That'll help. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:20 | |
- Until I'm facing the other way. - One doesn't know where to go. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Do you think there's a future for you in epic movies of any kind? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
If they ever made them, there would be. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
That perhaps something would rub off. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
- Charioteer. - Oh, yes. That's very true. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I played, actually, in an epic movie once. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
I played a...erm... a gladiator instructor. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
Spartacus, was it? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
No, no, no, no. I played it. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
Oh. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
So, is that it? I mean, have you | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
- finished all the questions? - We were hoping we could go on... | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
- I've got your coat here, Chuck. - We were hoping that, perhaps, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
- the interview could go on a bit... - No, I'm sorry. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Could we just go? | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
This is the kind of coat Boy George might like. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
What do you mean, Boy George? It's Boy Roy here. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
- But I said... - Could I just... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
- I thought if we could go on... - Come on, get it on. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
The great thing is, the disguise is complete. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
..with the interview a little bit longer... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
- Higher. - ..we might... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
- Up more, up more. - No, no. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
There you go. There we go. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Because, if we don't go now, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
I'm afraid we'll never get there. Are you ready? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
- Yes. - No-one'll recognise you in that. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
That's fine. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
- We can slip out, no-one'll know. - Slip out, no-one'll know. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Yes, quite. Well, thank you. - Go that way. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
- Thank you for taking my guest off. - It was nothing. It was nothing. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Charlton Heston, ladies and gentlemen! | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
Roy Kinnear! Men for all seasons. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
As Roy Kinnear's common man... | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
CHEERING | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Thank you. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
It's the first time I've ever had applause | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
for the beginning of an announcement. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
And they don't come much commoner. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
..Charlton Heston's Thomas More gallop off into the night | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
in the direction of London's glittering theatre land, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
we have some music. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Here to sing his new single, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
and we'll be having a little bit of a chat after it, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
ladies and gentlemen, a new one called To Be Reborn, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
let's welcome Boy George. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
# Get off your knees | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
# Don't apologise | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
# Cos I ain't got time | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
# For no more lies | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
# You know the answer | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
# I gave it to you | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
# But you carry on | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
# With the things that you do | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
# Yes, I have tried | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
# I, I could live | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
# I could die I could be reborn in your arms | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
# Oh, baby, little baby | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
# I, oh, I, I could laugh I could cry, I could sigh | 0:17:29 | 0:17:35 | |
# If you're there to keep me warm | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
# To keep me warm, warm, warm | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
- # Talk to me - # Talk to me | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
# Open your eyes | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
- # Talk to me - # Talk to me | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
# Lose the disguise | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
# We had good love | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
# Most of the time | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
# Give it back | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
# That love is mine | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
# Give it back | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
# Just one more time | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
# I, I could live | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
# I could die I could be reborn in your arms | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
# Oh, baby, little baby | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
# I, oh, I, I could laugh I could cry, I could sigh | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
# If you're there to keep me warm | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
# To keep me warm, warm | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
# Yeah, I | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
# I know the answer | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
# What can we do? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
# I know the answer, yeah | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
# So do you | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
# I gave you love | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
# I gave it to you | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
# I gave you love | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
# Something new | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
# I gave you love | 0:19:33 | 0:19:39 | |
# I, I, I, I | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
# I, I | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
# I could live, I could die | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
# I could be reborn in your arms | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
# Oh, baby, little baby | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
# I, oh, I | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
# I could laugh I could cry, I could sigh | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
# If you're there to keep me warm | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
# To keep me warm... # | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
- Hello. - Nice one. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
- Shh! - Shh! | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
- Settle down. - Please. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
They don't want to hear you speak, you see. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
They'd probably like you to sing again, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
but I mean I know you can talk. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
And look at you. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
This is the filthy-rich look. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
I was going to say, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
you could easily double for Sir Thomas More in that. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
Apart from the...apart from that in the middle, there. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
The Mercedes-Benz. Yeah, I know. Well... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Did you make that yourself? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
Oh, no, of course not. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Look at it, it's terrific. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
- You've gone into gold, obviously. - Yeah. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
You've liquidised all your assets and gone into gold. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
This is all very cheap stuff. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
I mean, what I do, what I try to do is wear things that my fans can copy, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
you know. I mean, I just wear junk. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:09 | 0:21:10 | |
What was that? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
Tell me about this record. It's a slight change of pace for you, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
isn't it, from what you've been doing? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
Well, yeah, it's a sort of bluesy ballad, you know. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
I suppose it's a Christmas record, if you like, you know. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
You're going for the Christmas charts. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
Well, I just hope to have a hit, really, one way or the other. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
Well, the last time we chatted and the last time you sang | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
on this show for me, you had a number one, didn't you? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Yeah. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
- So maybe it'll do it again. - I hope so. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
You look very well. You've put on a lot of weight, obviously. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
Yeah, I'm what you call an all-round entertainer. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
I mean that as a compliment, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
because you have gone through your thin days, but you look... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
- Is weight a problem with you? - No, no. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
As I said before, I'm an all-round entertainer. I love it. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
But, I mean, I've actually got a fat skeleton. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
- Yeah. - It's true. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
No, that's my... That's my excuse, as well. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
There were stories about you going off to a health club to slim down. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
No, I actually went there for my mental health. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
- That could get really complicated. - Yes, it is, I know. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
No, I just went there for a rest, really, you know, from all the... | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Cos I was working very hard earlier on in the year, so I just went off... | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
It's a great place to go and have a rest, the health farm, cos you just, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
I mean... | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
This whole idea of being a slob is quite nice, isn't it, for a while? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Story of my life. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Do you have to watch what you eat a lot? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Not really, it's just that my dad, right, he was an Army cook, my dad. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
So when he cooks food, he cooks for 50 people, even though | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
there's three people eating. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
You know, so it's one of those things. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
Yeah, but you've always been a big fellow anyway - you're a large chap. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
I'm a big boy. I've got these... | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
CHEERING AND LAUGHTER | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
That struck a nerve. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
I've got this fabulous badge and it says, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
"The bigger they are, the harder they hit." | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
CHEERING | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Do you... | 0:22:50 | 0:22:51 | |
Tell me, do you miss the old band at all, or the solo career, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
have you settled to that now? | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Well, you know, obviously you do get lonely, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
cos when you've been in a band for, like, four years... | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
It doesn't sound very long, but it's like a sort of weird marriage. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
And I do miss them, you know, but I still see the rest of Culture Club, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
despite what you read in the papers. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
I do see them and I'm very friendly with them. It's great. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
They're all doing their own things now, which is great. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
But I'm actually just about to go on a tour of Europe, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
so I'm sort of concentrating on my solo thing at the moment. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
That would be one way to lose weight anyway. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
We're getting a kind of sneak preview of one of the outfits, then? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Yeah, this is my opening outfit. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
Very nice. Now, don't go. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
- Will you stay with us for a while? - Yeah. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
Good, cos there is somebody I'm sure you want to meet. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
My final guest tonight was a bit of a... | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
I suppose a Boy George in his day. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
He was a bit of a Blue Mink anyway. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
You dangled past me there! | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
But he gave up singing songs to write songs and, with Roger Greenaway, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
created - after Lennon and McCartney - what's been regarded | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
as the most successful song-writing team in the world. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
1,000 songs, 70 hits. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
He's living in Nashville now, we're glad to welcome him back. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Roger Cook. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
MUSIC: "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing (I Perfect Harmony)" | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
With the old little ukulele in your hand there. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Actually, it means never wash a guitar. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
That's the truth. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
What is that? What is that? A banjolele, a ukulele? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
No, this is a ukulele. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
I think it's the only one in the world that's got a cutaway. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
I had it made for me. Makes me feel like a rock star. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
What does a ukulele sound... Give us a burst. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
Cos old George Formby... MIMICS FORMBY: Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
It sounds better when it's in tune. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
But you're supposed to strum it, aren't you? Heh-heh-heh-heh! | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
With me ukulele in me 'and! | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
TERRY: Go on. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
Course, if it's in tune, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
it sounds wonderful - you've got to take my word for it. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
I met you in the old days, God bless us, when I was a boy broadcaster. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
The old days! | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
And you were with Roger Greenaway and you were a singing duo | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
as well as an enormously successful song-writing duo. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
David and Jonathan, yes. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
David and Jonathan. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
They were good days, they were happy days. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
And they were days where you couldn't seem to go wrong - | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
everything you wrote was a hit! | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Just about, for a while, yeah. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
Lovely stuff - I loved the money. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:25:09 | 0:25:10 | |
- Don't we all? - The money and fame was wonderful. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
And then you joined up... You formed a group called Blue Mink. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
I didn't form it, I was invited into the band. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
With Madeline Bell. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
- Yes. - And Barry Morgan. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
- Barry Morgan. - Barry Morgan's our drummer here, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:23 | |
you know, we keep him on a chain... | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
DRUM ROLL | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
- Still getting work, Barry? - You're fired! | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
You're fired, Barry. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:30 | |
..on a chain down in the basement. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
We throw raw meat to him every so often. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
- He deserves it. - Yeah. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
You remember Blue Mink. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
Actually I did a cover of Melting Pot, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
which is one of my favourite songs. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:41 | |
Which I love. Listen, I gotta tell you a story. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
You appeared in Nashville, Tennessee. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
My little girl, Katie, went with her mum. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
It got to when you sang, she started crying, "I'm so proud of my daddy." | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
I was thrilled to bits, I was a star! | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
But that song was... I mean, as pop songs go, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
it's very difficult to write | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
a good pop song with a real good meaning, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
and that song was, like, such a fierce song. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
It was a little ambitious at the time, yeah. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
It was great. I actually bumped into | 0:26:05 | 0:26:06 | |
Madeline Bell a couple of weeks ago and I always | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
hear her on the TV singing, was it, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
# Cook, cook-ability That's the beauty of gas. # | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
- That's Madeline Bell, is it? - It is, I'm sure it is, yeah. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
CHEERING | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
That is Madeline. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
We've members of the gas board with us! | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
Yeah. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
- Ooh, yeah. - Carry on. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
Carry on as if undaunted, it was Melting Pot... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
- Melting Pot, yeah. -..which was a pleaser. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Would you like to hear a little bit of it? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
- Have you tuned up the old ukulele? - No, not really. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
CHEERING | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
God, that's awful. Never mind. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
# Take a pinch... # Oh, I'll get it in the right key. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
- Sorry, Harry. - We've got loads of time. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
# Take a pinch of white man | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
BOY GEORGE: # Mm | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
- # Wrap it up in black skin - # Oh, yeah | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
# Then you add a touch of blue blood | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
# And a little bitty bit of Red Indian boy... # | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
It's too high for me! | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
- Come on, Madeline. - Too high for the ukulele? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
- Yeah. - Melting Pot. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
I think we've had enough of that. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
CHEERING | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Were your favourite songs always the most successful, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
or did you have things that you thought, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
"I wish that'd been a hit cos I loved it"? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
Had you any real idea what was going to be a hit and what wasn't? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
Funnily enough, at times you did, and at other times you didn't. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
I couldn't see the success of I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
not in a million years. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
That turned out to be the biggest one. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Apparently they still sing that in American schools | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
as a kind of school anthem. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
D'you know what they do to it in America? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
This is the honest truth, they sing... | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
PLAYS: "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing" | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
# Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
# That saved a wretch like me | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
# Once I was... # Whatever it was. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
But they sing the words of Amazing Grace. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
- What a lovely voice. - Thanks, mate. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
You sang numbers of your own songs as David and Jonathan, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
but in the main, the successes were for other people. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
It was for other people, yeah. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
Did you write them specifically for other people? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Would you write for, say, Boy George if he'd been around then? | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
You bet your life. I love that new song, by the way. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
- Thank you. - I think that's a smash. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
Thank you. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
I think probably everybody here agrees with you. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
CHEERING | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
What I tend to do, I'll write a song, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
then once I've got the song, if it reminds me | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
of somebody in particular, any kind of artist, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
then I'll sit down and try and demo it that way. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
That's what I did with Don Williams with a lot of success in America. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
But you gave it up. You gave up the performing yourself. Why was that? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
It got kind of boring, it really did. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
I had a family and I wasn't seeing much of my family. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
And living out of a suitcase from hotel to hotel, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
it was clubs in those days, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
you know, the Wakefield Theatre Club and the Batley Variety Club and that. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
It got really... It got down, it just got awful. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
There were six of us trying to rush around like one person, you know, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
and it didn't really work after about five years. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
You couldn't give up performing, could you? | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Not at all, no. My whole life is a performance. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
All-round entertainer! | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
I would say, life is one big rehearsal. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
But when's the show? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:06 | |
BULB EXPLODES I don't know. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
- It was something you said. - I told you I was psychic! | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
A discerning music lover?! | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
The ghost of old singers here. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
- Making light of it, yeah(!) - Yeah. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
But you write most of your own stuff as well, don't you? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
Yeah. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
Would you ever write for anybody else? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:27 | |
I actually did write a song once for the Beach Boys - shock, gasp, horror! | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
But they really freaked me out, they were so mad. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Sorry. But they all had psychiatrists and I just found it a bit unnerving. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
I thought, I might end up like that one day. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
- Never! - I actually worked with them | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
which was quite an accolade at the time. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
That's wonderful, yeah. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:45 | |
But I mean, I'd love to write for other people, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
you know, but I mean I never get asked. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
I suppose they figure that you're writing your own stuff. Maybe... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Nobody would have ever written for you | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
when you were teaming up with Greenaway, because they figured... | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
- Not really, no. - ..you could write your own hits. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Exactly. Why bother? I wish they had. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
And then you went to Nashville. Why? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
I went there because I'd had so much success in London, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
and it's a small circle of music so everybody knows... | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
And people got a little blase and I felt | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
I wasn't really getting through to people any more. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
This was about 1975. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
So I thought, "I need a challenge, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:18 | |
"I need to go somewhere where I'm going to have to work hard | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
"to become a hit songwriter again." | 0:30:21 | 0:30:22 | |
So I went to Nashville and, sure enough, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
I worked very hard for two years. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
And it paid off, I had about five number ones very quickly. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
Yeah, but you hadn't written any country music, had you? | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Not up till then. We'd had some country hits | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
because country people had covered our pop hits. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Where did you come from originally? Bristol? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Bristol. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:41 | |
WEST COUNTRY ACCENT: Down there, my dear! | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Your accent's extraordinary, it's a combination of Bristol, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
then occasionally there's the old Tennessee twang there that creeps in. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
I've slipped into saying things like, "Ta-ta, y'all." | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
How about you and country music? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
Have you ever been tempted to do a country song, or is it a bit too... | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
Actually, I had an ambition to do a duet with Dolly Parton. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
No, don't laugh! | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
- Yeah, don't laugh. - I wanted to do a duet with her. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
She phoned me one day when I was in the bath and, erm... | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
Seriously! She said to me, "Hi there, Boy, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
"if you ever want to know where to get | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
"some nice wigs and dresses, you just call me up, son, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
"I'll show you where to get them." | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
A pretty fierce lady, you know. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
- She's terrific. - I'd love to work with her. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
- That'd be a great duet. - I know. It'd be great. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
I'd have to fill out a bit, wouldn't I? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
If Freddie Mercury can work with Montserrat Caballe, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
there's absolutely no reason why you can't work with Dolly Parton. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
I mean, country songs are a bit kind of macho, aren't they? | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
- They're very... - I don't know that they're macho, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
but they reflect a kind of real-life thing. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
We're more into fantasy in England, with our approach to pop. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
I think it'd be quite macho for me to do Stand By Your Man. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
Well, yes! | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
- Or Blanket On The Ground. - Yeah. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
You'd look good in a cowboy hat, though. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
- I've got a few. - A big Stetson, yeah. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
I was thinking of you more in the Kenny Rogers song. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
Those are ladies' songs, you can't be singing like Billie Jo Spears | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
and people like that. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
Why ever not, Terry, why ever not? | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
I see you as more butch, singing more butch songs. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
There's optimism, then, in the world. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
A song for him will be, If He Breaks Your Heart, I'll Break His Nose. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
Yes, it's the old motto, the bigger you are, the harder you hit. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
They have some great titles. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
What's that one about kicking Jesus over the goalpost? | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
Drop Kick Me, Jesus (Through The Goalposts Of Life), yeah. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
- What a title. - Kind of cute. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
Yeah. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
Roger, did you need to work again when you went to Nashville? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
You'd had it made. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Why didn't you just find a quiet quay in the Bahamas? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Well, two divorces will make you get up and go out and work again. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
I suppose they will, yeah. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
Divorce in America, let me tell you about it one day. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
- That's a musical. - Yeah. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Are you rich enough to retire now? | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
No, not at all, no. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
But you must've made millions. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
Yeah, I've got a few bob. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
LAUGHTER ROGER: A few bob. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
TERRY: You haven't got enough to retire? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
I wouldn't want to retire anyway, it's just... What would I do? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
You know, breed pigs(?) | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
What about the average songwriter? Do you think...? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
We can't generalise about things like this, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
but do you think they're getting better or worse, or about the same? | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
I think they just change styles, that's all, from time to time. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
I think some people... | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
I mean, some people are clever at copying other songs. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
Cos there's a lot of that in the charts at the moment. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
You hear things and you think, "I've heard that before somewhere." | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
You get a lot of that at the moment. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
There's great songwriters around. George Michael's a great songwriter. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Will you... | 0:33:36 | 0:33:37 | |
Would you like...? Obviously you'd like your songs to be remembered. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
In all modesty, honestly, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
do you think your songs will be remembered in years to come? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Or is our society just going to burn up things like that? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
I think the best ones will be remembered. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
- I think so. - 20 years down the line, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:51 | |
somebody will cut them again, you know, and they'll be remembered. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
You wouldn't like another go at Melting Pot, would you? | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
It's in the wrong key for me. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
It is, I'm going to do it in another key. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
You'll do it in another key. In the meantime, what we'll do is we'll say | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
good night, thank you all for joining us. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
Our thanks particularly to Boy George, Roger Cook, Charlton Heston, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
Roy Kinnear, everybody who joined us. Thank you for joining us. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
Leave us with Melting Pot, if you will. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
We'll do this in C this time. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
- Should be E flat. - E flat? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Get away with you! | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
That's technical. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
# Take a pinch of white man | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
# Oh, yeah | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
BOTH: # And wrap it up in black skin | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
# Add a touch of blue blood | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
# And a little bitty bit of Red Indian boy | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
# Whoa, yeah... # | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
ROGER: Do you remember the next bit? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:44 | |
# ..Curly black kinkies... # | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Sorry, Madeline. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:48 | |
# ..Mixed with yellow Chinkies | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
# You gotta lump it all together | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
# And you got a recipe for a get-along scene | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
# What a beautiful dream | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
# If it could only come true You know, you know | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
# What we need is a great big melting pot | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
# Big enough to take the world and all it's got | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
# And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
# And turn out coffee-coloured people by the score... # | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
DROWNED OUT BY CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 |