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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
My mum went away and didn't come back. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
And when you do lose touch with your loved ones... | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
I never saw Kathleen again. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
..finding them can take a lifetime... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
I wonder where he is, I wonder what he's doing. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
You don't really know where to begin. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
..especially when they could be anywhere - at home or abroad. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
And that's where the family finders come in. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
From international organisations... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
There's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
..to genealogy detective agencies... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
When is it you last had contact with him? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..and dedicated one-man bands... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I like to do the searches other people can't get, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
cos it makes me feel good. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
..they hunt through history, to bring families back together again. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
"You are my biological dad." | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
In this series, we follow the work of the family finders... | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
This case came from our Australian colleagues. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
..learning the tricks they use | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
to track missing relatives through time... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm 68 years of age. She's 75 years of age and we're just starting off. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
I said, "Well, this is your younger sister." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
It's a miracle. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I was struck speechless and I couldn't stop crying. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It's a proud moment for Dad. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
That was the start of finding my family. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Across the UK, there are a range of family-finding organisations | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
who will trace your relatives for a small fee. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Often people who have lost contact through being fostered out | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
at a young age, they often contact us | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
and want to be back in touch with their siblings. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
But you don't always have to use a specialist agency. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Many people do some DIY genealogy to find their relatives. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Nowadays, you sit down at your computer, you click the mouse | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
and, hopefully, the computer will do the searching for you. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Which is exactly how Jonathan Fryer was traced by his family. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
Jonathan was adopted at the age of 18 months. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
I was born in June 1950, in Manchester, and grew up | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
in Eccles, which is part of Salford, now part of Greater Manchester. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
And I was adopted into a family and had an older adopted sister. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:30 | |
My adoptive family never made any attempt to hide the fact | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
I was adopted and so, really, from the earliest age | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
I knew that I wasn't really their child. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Jonathan never felt part of the family. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
I very much felt like a fish out of water. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Although it was materially very comfortable | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and I'm sure they tried to provide everything that they could for me, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
there was a real disconnect between me | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
and, particularly, my adopted father, who was much older. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
He was quite far right wing, quite intolerant | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
and, from a very early age, I had my mind open to the wider world. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Despite the openness with which he learnt of his adoption, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Jonathan was unable to discover any of the details. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
One of the most frustrating things, which really made me very angry | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
as a child, was that I knew that my adopted parents had met my mother. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
They refused point-blank to tell me who she was. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
My adopted mother just said one time, "Oh, nobody special." | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
And this really ate me up inside. It became a real bone of contention. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
I was angry about it, but they were even angrier. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
My adopted father said, "You mustn't keep asking, you mustn't. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
"You're so ungrateful." | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
When I said, "Surely there must be some documents or something," | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
they said, "No, we've destroyed everything. You'll never find out." | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
And when I was 13, my adopted father actually said, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
"I wish I hadn't adopted you." | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
Jonathan put thoughts of his origins to the back of his mind, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
and after he left home, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
carved out a career as a war correspondent in Vietnam. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
Then, in 1975, the law regarding adoption documentation changed, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
allowing all adoptees over the age of 18 to access their records. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
I realised there was now a possibility to do | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
a bit of detective work and to find out who I really am. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
Jonathan was now finally able to obtain | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
his original birth certificate for the first time. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
I'll never forget the day it arrived because it arrived | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
through the post - this is months after I'd started this process. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
And I opened it and there, suddenly, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
was a completely different set of names | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
and I was no longer Jonathan Harold Fryer, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
which I never really felt I was, but Graeme Leslie Morton. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-TEARFULLY: -And, suddenly, there was my mother's name. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
And I felt a huge relief. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
It was very emotional. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
When you've wanted to know for years... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
and, suddenly, there it was - Joyce Morton, formerly Ashcroft, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
with an address. Who was the father? Just a black line. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
And this was really the key to open the door to the paper trail. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:38 | |
Months of research at the National Register Office revealed | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Jonathan also had an older half-sister. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Another piece of the jigsaw had been put in, but it's not a jigsaw that | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
you do overnight. It's a jigsaw you can take months or even years to do. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
In my case, it was years. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
Because, actually, each piece that's put in wrenches you. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
It's exciting, but it's also very difficult. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
Jonathan's birth certificate stated the address his mother | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
had lived at when he was born. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
So, he took the train from London to Manchester, in the hope | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
someone might know where she was now. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
I came up alone and found this street | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
and the house over there, where she had lived. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
And it took me a few minutes to pluck up the courage | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
to knock on the door and, then, of course, there was nobody there. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
I went to the house next door | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
and there was a very nice elderly lady there who invited me in. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
And she said, "Oh, I remember her very well. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
"She was a very beautiful young woman with a great eye | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
"for a man in uniform." And I thought, "Great. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
"Sounds just the sort of woman I would have loved." | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
I was sad, as well, because one half of me | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
had really hoped that this would be an opportunity to meet her. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
And the most disappointing thing was when the neighbour, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
although she remembered her very well, said she moved away years ago. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
No idea where she was and, so, I thought the chance of ever | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
tracking her down would be extremely remote. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
There was something at the back of me sort of saying, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
"Well, if my mother knew where I was, knew who'd adopted me, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:27 | |
"maybe she would have got in touch, if she wanted to." | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Having, in a sense, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
been rejected, I just couldn't bear to go through that again. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
And so I didn't follow it up any more. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
With nowhere left to go, Jonathan gave up his search. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
But little did he know that someone else was already looking for him. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Sometimes, a fluke or coincidence can be the thing that brings | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
families together after generations apart. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
In St Albans, retired geography teacher John Matthews has been | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
researching his family tree for nearly ten years. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
I was born in 1947, in Wanstead in East London, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
and my family lived in Leyton in East London. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
John became a teacher, married and had a son. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
He was born in 1980. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
My wife passed away very shortly after he was born. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
John raised his son with the help of his parents and extended family. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
All through my life, the family has been the thing. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
We've been part of a large family group. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
Yeah, the family was everything to us. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
In the course of plotting his family tree, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
John got in contact with Judith Cook, the deputy town clerk | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
at Ongar Town Council, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
to enquire about the grave records of one of his ancestors. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
So I rang up Judith and said, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
"Can you just check this one record for me? Winifred Holt, aged four." | 0:09:02 | 0:09:09 | |
And she then rang me back. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
She said, "I've had some other people | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
"asking about this same Winifred Holt's graveyard in 1899." | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
The people, or rather person, who'd also been enquiring | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
about these same records was Christine St Alban from Australia, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
who, on a visit to the UK, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
had stopped to visit the grave of her great-great aunt. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
A great-great aunt, it transpired, that John shares. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
I just couldn't believe it. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
I was absolutely flabbergasted and curious, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
and, sort of, elated. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
I said, "What can we do now? Where do we go from here?" | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
I asked Mr Matthews if it would be OK | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
to pass on his details to Christine and he said yes. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
So I put them in touch with each other | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
and they found out that they were related. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
I can't believe it. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
After 16 years of searching for her lost English family, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Christine was absolutely thrilled to have discovered John, her cousin. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
So, in the first e-mail, I write to John, I'm very formal and I say, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
"Hello, Mr Matthews." Because I didn't know how he would receive us. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
I didn't know if he wanted to know us. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
I didn't want to put any pressure on him. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
But really I was saying, "Write back! Write back! | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
"I need to know about you!" | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
And before I got onto the e-mail, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
I'd had this e-mail from Australia, saying, "I think we're cousins." | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
And that was the night, we sat up, most of the night, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
e-mailing each other backwards and forwards. It was such a thrill! | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
Well, I'm saying, "Who are you? What's your connection? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
"Why are you looking into this family?" | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
It was Christine's cousin, Nana Rose, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
who first emigrated to Australia almost a century ago, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
leaving behind her sister Rita, who is John's grandmother. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
She knew nothing about my grandmother Rita. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
I knew nothing about her grandmother, so we exchanged a lot. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
She sent me some photographs and I sent her some photographs. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
It just blossomed from there. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
We have actually found a whole new family, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
we've found a whole new branch of the family. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Just a few weeks after finding cousin John, Christine, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
her sister, her husband and her father have arrived in England | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
to meet him for the very first time. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
It will be such a thrill to actually meet them. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
We've been to Ongar several times now | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
and these people have been within a stone's throw of us all this time. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
So we've been running along parallel lines | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
and now we've touched. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
For John, the years of researching his family tree | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
are finally yielding what he searched for all along - | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
a whole new group of relatives who have travelled all the way over | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
from the other side of the world. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
Hopefully, in a very short space of time, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
I shall be driving into the council offices | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
where I shall meet this cousin, Christine. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
I'm getting a bit nervous now! | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Family is everything to us, so this is a very big day. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
Very exciting. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
A bit... Oh, my heart's really pounding! | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Here we go! | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
As John waits nervously for Christine's arrival... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
-All right? -Hello, you gorgeous girl! Thank you! | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
..Christine is greeted by Judith, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
without whom this meeting would never have happened. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Me? Oh, thank you! | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
Thank you. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
John's nerves are getting the better of him. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
It's been building up and building up to us meeting. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
Quite nervous. In fact, I'm hugely nervous. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I can't believe you did this for us. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
It's no problem. It's my pleasure. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
I'm going to cry. I wasn't... I'm not going to cry. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Here we go. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
-Christine... -Come here, you! | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
-Oh, dear! -I can't believe... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
-I'm so wound up, I don't know about you. -I know. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
Oh, well done for getting here. Brilliant. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Christine is wearing Nana Rose's wedding ring. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
I've got Nana's wedding ring. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
-Have you? Oh, that's nice. How nice is that? -Yeah. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
So...I had to wear it to show you. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
-That's brilliant. -Yeah. -That goes back to...1920? | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
-Well, she wore it for... -1919? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-She wore it for nearly 80 years. -Good grief. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
-And then my mum wore it and now I'm custodian. -That's brilliant. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
Isn't it a great shame | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
that we couldn't meet our older relatives earlier. Isn't it? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
Well, I came to find out a lot about my other relatives from you. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
And me vice-versa, so... | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
I can't believe it. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
-This is my husband, Paul. -Hello, Paul. -Cousin John. -Hello, John. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
'While their grandmothers are no longer around, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
'other members of John's new-found family are here to greet him.' | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
All of us know there's a... | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
We've got a long way to go, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
exchanging stories and information and so on. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
We've got the rest of our lives now to share it together. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
It's...lovely to have reconnected with this family. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
It's taken us nearly 100 years to be able to reconnect the family. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
So, it's a very special day and I hope... | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
I hope that our relatives are all watching | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
and are enjoying this as much as we are. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Jonathan Fryer was adopted as a baby in the 1950s, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
but he was never given any details. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
I knew that my adopted parents had met my mother. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
They refused point-blank to tell me who she was. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
When I said, "Surely there must be some documents or something?" | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
They said, "No, we've destroyed everything. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
"You will never find out." | 0:15:24 | 0:15:25 | |
As an adult, he obtained his birth certificate | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
and discovered his real name. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
I was no longer Jonathan Harold Fryer - | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
which I never really felt I was - | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
but Graeme Leslie Morton. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
And he finally discovered who his real mother was. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
-TEARFULLY: -Suddenly, there was my mother's name. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
And this was really the key to open the door to the paper trail. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:53 | |
But it wasn't just his mum he'd found - | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Jonathan also discovered he had a half-sister, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
but, fearing rejection, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
he abandoned all hope of ever making contact | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
with any of his birth family. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
Having, in a sense, been rejected, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
I just couldn't bear to go through that again. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
But what he didn't know was that his half-sister Denise | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
was also looking for him. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
I have always known about him. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
I can't remember a time that me mother sat down | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
and told me about him, but I've just always known about Jonathan. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
Denise was born just after the end of World War II. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
I was born in 1945, in Irlam, near Manchester. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
Shortly after, my mother and father moved to Bristol. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
And we lived there for a year and then we came back. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
My mother and I came back on the train | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and my father never appeared for Christmas | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
and I never saw him again after that. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Me mother and I lived with my grandparents in Irlam | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
for the next nine, ten years. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
During that time, she obviously had a relationship with someone, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
who, unfortunately, I don't know much about, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and found that she was pregnant. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
She felt that there was no way that she could bring shame on the family | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
by staying at home. So as soon as she started to show, that was it. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
She went away to a home for unmarried mothers. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
From what she said, it sounded like a dreadful life there. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
They were really made to feel as though they had to be punished | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
because they were unmarried mothers. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Despite the difficult decision Joyce had made, ultimately, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
she may have felt that it would give the young Jonathan | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
the chance of a better life. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
She felt as though she couldn't afford to keep a child | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
and offer another child any sort of a life, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
so she thought she was doing the best by Jonathan, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
by letting him be adopted by a couple | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
that she thought would give him everything that she couldn't. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
She was so sorry that she couldn't have kept him | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
and that we couldn't have been a family together. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
It's something that I don't think you ever get over. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
Denise's mother Joyce later remarried | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
and Denise and her younger half-sister Gill | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
grew up in the corner shop their parents ran in the town of Eccles. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
The shop was not far from where Jonathan lived and went to school. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
She used to go to the school gates to see him leaving or arriving. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
Just being able to see Jonathan made her feel better. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:34 | |
I think Mum really kept watch over him | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
until, probably, he went to grammar school. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
She knew that he'd got a scholarship to Manchester Grammar, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
which thrilled her to bits. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
However strong her emotional connection to Jonathan, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Joyce didn't want to run the risk of upsetting his stable childhood. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
I think me mum felt guilty all her life, really. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
She was glad that he had a good life. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
She didn't want to interfere in it, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
because she wouldn't have wanted to ruin any part of his life. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
Decades later and with her mother now in the later years of her life, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Denise felt it was time to try and track Jonathan down. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Before Mother passed away, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
I wanted to find Jonathan, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
because I knew Mum would have loved to have known what he was doing. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
When we first got computers, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
we were on various sites looking for birth details. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
I didn't tell her that I was searching, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
because I didn't want her to be upset if we couldn't find him. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
I just wanted to surprise her and, unfortunately, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
I didn't get the chance to do that, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
because I looked and looked and couldn't find | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
any details of him, at all. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
While Denise knew about Jonathan, her younger sister Gillian did not. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
I just assumed that me mother had told her everything about Jonathan, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
just as she'd told me, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
and it wasn't until last year that we realised | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
that Gillian didn't know anything about Jonathan. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
It was only when Denise's daughter rang Gillian, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
in the course of doing the family tree, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
that Gillian learnt of Jonathan's existence. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
She said, "I need to ask you something. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
"I've been meaning to ask you for ages and ages and I keep forgetting. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
"Do you ever think about Jonathan?" | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
I said, "Well, Jonathan who?" | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
And she said, "Your brother, Jonathan!" | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
"I haven't got a brother... | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
"or have I? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
"I think you'd better put your mum on." | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
The latest generation of internet search engines | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
meant Gill could find Jonathan online in no time at all. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
After the phone call, I just googled "Jonathan Fryer, Eccles" | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
and up popped his public profile page. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
It was just incredible. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
In the early life section, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
it says that he was born under the name of Graeme Leslie Morton | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
and as soon as I saw that, I thought, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
"This has got to be him." | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
It's really strange, because ten minutes earlier, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
I had no idea I had a brother | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
and then, ten minutes later, I've got a brother | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
and I've found him. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:26 | |
We couldn't believe that I'd been searching for years | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
and couldn't find him and, within ten minutes, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
she'd found our brother. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
It was so, so wonderful, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
but heartbreaking as well, because me mum had already died | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
and she would have been so thrilled. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Denise then wrote to Jonathan. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Absolutely out of the blue, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
I got a letter and as soon as I opened the letter | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
and saw the signature at the bottom - Denise - | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
I knew it must be her, because I'd never forgotten that name, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
although it was 20 years since I'd done the search. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
And she starts, "Dear Jonathan, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
"this is a difficult, but exciting, letter to write | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
"and I hope you will not find it an intrusion into your life. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
"I am quite sure that you are my half-brother. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
"My mother was Joyce Morton, nee Ashcroft | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
"of 64 Baines Avenue, Irlam, Manchester. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
"If you would be interested in filling in some of the history | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
"of your birth mother's side of the family | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
"and/or wish to have contact with Gillian and myself, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
"we'd be more than happy." | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
And at the bottom of Denise's letter, she's written, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
"P.S. Mum never forgot you, ever, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
"as I will, hopefully, have the chance to tell you." | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
It was the most amazing feeling, suddenly to realise that, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
actually, all my worries and concerns were groundless | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
and that, far from not wanting to have anything to do with me, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
at last, I had a family who did want me. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Jonathan, Denise and Gill have since reunited. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
But today they're meeting up again | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
to show Jonathan something of importance | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
he hasn't seen before. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
Denise and Gill have arranged to meet Jonathan | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
at the former local corner shop | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
where they grew up with their mum, Joyce. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
It's only the second time I've seen Gill. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
Denise, it'll be the third time. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
So, it's great to have this opportunity to... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
to meet them again and also to put everything in context. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
There they are. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
Hello. Lovely to see you. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Nice to see you. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
-Hello. -Nice see you. And how are you? | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
-Oh, I'm fine, thanks. -Good. -It's been quite emotional, but... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
-Yes, yes, yes. -I can imagine. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Putting everything together now, all the little bits of the jigsaw. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
This is number five. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
This is number five, where we were brought up. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
Yes, it sold everything - a real old-fashioned corner shop. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
-So this bit was a shop? -Yes, this was a shop window. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
-No, it's amazing to think you were just here and... -Yes. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
-I know, and you were so near. -Yes. -So near. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
Mother must have been able to just walk to the school. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
-It's well within walking distance. -Yes, yes, yes. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Unaware they were growing up so close to each other, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Gillian is now able to solve a lifelong mystery. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
I always wondered why we ended up in Eccles. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
-But now we know why. -Now we know why, yeah. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
It seems their mother, Joyce, moved to Eccles | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
so she could continue to keep a close eye on her son, Jonathan. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
Jonathan takes them to his old primary school, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
just a couple of miles away from the corner shop. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
From what you've said, Denise, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
I imagine when Mother came to walk by and see if she could see me, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
she must have stood at these gates here. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
I just felt very emotional coming around the corner, then. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
Seeing the railings and... | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
Because she's often said, you know, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
"I used to stand at the railings, looking, watching him play. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
"And seeing him arriving in the morning | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
-"and leaving in the afternoon." -Yeah. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
I mean, it's so sad, in many ways, that she felt, understandably, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
in that age, that she had to give me up, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
-that it really wasn't possible... -Oh, yes, yes. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
..in that period, to keep a child in those circumstances. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
-It must have been awful for her. -Oh, dreadful. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
-And to... Years looking. -Yes, yes. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
I think it must be the worst thing that could ever happen to a woman, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
-having to give up a child. -Yeah. -The worst thing. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Really terrible. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
But at least now, you know that she never forgot you, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
she was always looking over you. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
-Watching over you. -Yeah. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
-That's good. But it makes it harder, as well. -Yes, yes, yes. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
Jonathan now has the chance to visit | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
the final resting place of his mother for the first time. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
And to catch up on some of the years that he's missed | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
not knowing his new-found siblings. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
-This is Gillian and I when we were little... -Goodness. -..with Mum. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
-Uh-huh. She certainly looks very jolly and happy. -Oh, she was, yes. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
She was a very happy person. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
-That's my mum. -There's Mum. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
I can't imagine | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
how his life was, without knowing who he was. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:07 | |
And that...that must just be amazing for him to find out. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
I like the way she's looking straight at you. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
-Yes, yes. Yes, you've got the same colour eyes as her. -Really? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Yes. Yeah. Neither of us have, but you've got her eyes. Yes. Yeah. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
It's definitely an emotional journey for everybody. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
I'm glad we did it, though. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
Really glad we did it. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
It's such a shame that he can't be part | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
of all that went on but, hopefully, we've got plenty more things | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
going to be happening in the future. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
-We can keep in touch now the rest of our lives. -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
-There's no hiding from us now! -Oh, well... | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
No, that's it, we're afraid you've got us now. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
It is terrific that, after 64 years, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
we've been able to put back together the family that was broken apart, | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
which none of us would have wanted at the time. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
And for anyone who is in a similar situation, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
it's never too late. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:08 | |
It's always worth trying. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
It's just an amazing feeling, suddenly, to know who I am. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 |