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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
My mum went away and didn't come back. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
And when you do lose touch with your loved ones... | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
I never saw Kathleen again. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
..finding them can take a lifetime. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
I wonder where he is. I wonder what he's doing. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
You don't really know where to begin. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
Especially when they could be anywhere - at home or abroad. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
And that's where the Family Finders come in. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
From international organisations... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
There's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
..to genealogy detective agencies... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
When is it you last had contact with him? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..and dedicated one-man bands. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I like to do searches that other people can't get, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
cos it makes me feel good. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
They hunt through history to bring families back together again. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
You are my biological dad. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders... | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
This case came from our Australian colleagues. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
..learning the tricks they use | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
to track missing relatives through time... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm 68 years of age, she's 75 years of age, and we're just starting off. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
I said, "Well, this is your younger sister." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
It's a miracle. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I was struck speechless, and I couldn't stop crying. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It's a proud moment with Dad. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
That was the start of finding my family. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Across Britain, there are dozens of specialist agencies | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
who reunite people with their families. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
The biggest one is the Salvation Army | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
who, for a small fee, trace over 2,000 people a year. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Good afternoon, Salvation Army. Can I help you? | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
Along with all their other work, the Salvation Army | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
has been reuniting families for over 130 years. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
All our caseworkers are currently working on over 200, | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
nearly 250 cases live, presently. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
There's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
And this organisation has a huge global presence, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
with branches in 126 countries, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
so very often, the Salvation Army Family Finders | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
reunite people from different sides of the world. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
When did you last see him there? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
One such person in need of their help is 80-year-old Violet Rossini, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
who's lived in Australia for nearly 50 years. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
When she was around five years old, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Violet and her older sister, Kathleen, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
were placed into care in Lincolnshire. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
I was told my mother died when I was born. Erm... | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
We were taken into the children's homes | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
and then I was fostered out and Kathleen was adopted, I believe. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Initially, the two sisters were in the same children's home, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
but they were separated when they were fostered. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
However, by a quirk of fate, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
Violet and Kathleen were at one point placed in foster homes | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
which were within walking distance of each other. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I lived in South Street and she lived round the corner, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
and we met up through a friend of mine. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
She knew me, but I didn't know her to start with. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
And that's how it all began. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
Once they'd realised how close their two foster homes were, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
the two sisters used to sneak out and play with each other in secret. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
But this joyful time didn't last. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
My foster mother found out that I was meeting Kathleen, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
and she sent me back to the home. And that was it. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
I never saw Kathleen again. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
No. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
The last time she saw Kathleen, Violet was just eight years old, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
and although her memories may have faded, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
she's never forgotten her older sister. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
She was the good-looking of the two. Used to be jealous of her sometimes. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
She had lovely curly hair, as I remember. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
I don't remember that much - | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
we were about the same in build and that. But the only thing | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
that really sticks in my mind is when she used to give me a piggyback | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
up Eastwood Hill, because it was a steep hill to school. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Violet moved to London when she was 14, and married when she was 20. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
After her first husband died, she remarried | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
and in 1968, emigrated with him and her five children to Australia. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
Violet was not alone in making this move to the other side of the world. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
-RADIO: -You could be on your way to a sunnier future, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
on your way to Australia, a great place for families. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Starting in the late 1940s, the Australian government | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
wanted to entice British workers | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
by offering passage to the country for £10. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
These travellers became known as Ten Pound Poms, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
and over 1.5 million of them | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
made the journey to a new life down under. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
Violet and her family settled happily in Australia, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
but she never forgot Kathleen. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
I didn't say goodbye to Kathleen | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
and she never got to say goodbye to me, and it was just like... | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
well, you might say parting of the ways. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Violet tried to trace Kathleen several times over the years, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
but never had any luck. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
And then, a few years ago, her granddaughter, Candace, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
made one last-ditch attempt. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
I have a sister and three brothers, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
and I couldn't imagine life without any one of them. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
So I just knew that I had to do something | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
to help her have that connection with Kathleen again. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
I spent quite a few hours searching the internet | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
to try and see what information I could get, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
and we had very little to go on. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
And using that, I found Kathleen's birth certificate | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
that I surprised my grandma with for her 80th birthday. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
And the look on her face when I give that to her, just... | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
It was more than I can even describe. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Armed with Kathleen's birth certificate, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Candace contacted her local branch of the Salvation Army | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
in the hope this document would now be enough | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
to finally reunite her grandmother with her sister. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Good afternoon, Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. How can I help you? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
The London Family Tracing unit was given the case | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
by their Australian counterparts, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
and set about trying to find Kathleen. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
There are 28 Family Tracing Service offices across the world, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
and this case came from our Australian colleagues. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Violet and Kathleen had been out of contact for over seven decades, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
and Kathleen's name may well have changed in this period, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
so the Family Tracing unit started by searching marriage certificates, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
which list maiden names. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
We were able to find that she'd actually married | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
and her name had changed to Cousins. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
So that was the first step in the process, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
and after that, all we had to do then is try and find her. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Just three months after Candace sent the Salvation Army | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Kathleen's birth certificate, the Family Finding unit | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
got a solid lead on her whereabouts. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
In cases like this, where we've found a possible name | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
or a current name for somebody, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
the next step would be to check the electoral roll | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
to see if we can find an address for them, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
and that's what we did with Kathleen. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
And we were able to find one possible address, which we wrote to. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
A few weeks later, we had a letter from Kathleen's daughter, Sharon, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
who told us that Kathleen was really excited and really overjoyed | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
at the possibility of being back in contact with her family. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
They called Violet in Australia with the good news. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
When I got this phone call from the Salvation Army, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I thought something was wrong, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
because they only said it in an ordinary voice, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
and then she said, "Oh, no, it's all right, but she is in a nursing home." | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
And then I think we said one or two things, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
and I didn't answer for a while, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
and she said, "Are you all right?" | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
And, well, I was very emotional and made a fool of myself and cried. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
And then I said something about shouting it from the rooftops, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
and we just had a conversation from then on, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
and she was asking me to describe how I feel and... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
I just couldn't tell, you know? | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
It was like... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
having Christmas all together. Christmas, birthdays, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
the whole lot together. But yeah, it was great. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Violet couldn't wait to actually talk with her sister, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
but she couldn't get her hopes up yet, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
because at this stage, the decision to reconnect rested with Kathleen. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
When I heard from the Army, they told me | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
that she'd get permission for me to write to her. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
So I wrote and I explained a bit about the family and that, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
and said that it was up to her to make the final decision. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Then she received the long-distance call | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
she'd been dreaming of all these years. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Very late one night I had a phone call, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
because our time difference. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
I think it was about 11 o'clock, our way. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
And we had a talk, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
but don't ask me what we said or what we did, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
because I just can't remember. I just know it was great. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
After 72 years, Violet had no shortage | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
of things to catch up on with her sister Kathleen. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Some good things do happen. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
And it's something that's... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
Well, no matter how much longer I've got, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
I shall remember for all the days of my life. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Two months after hearing the news that her sister Kathleen | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
had finally been traced, Violet and her granddaughter Candace | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
arrive at London Heathrow after a 23-hour flight from Australia. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
Now we have to see what sights there is. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Tomorrow, Violet will see her beloved sister again | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
for the first time since they were forcibly separated | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
when she was just eight years old. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Meanwhile, in Lincolnshire, Violet's sister Kathleen | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
and her daughter Sharon can barely wait. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
I can't get hold of her soon enough. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
It's so hard to describe how I feel. This is... | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
It's a dream come true for my mum, obviously. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
It's something that she's wanted... oh, all your life, probably. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
-Since you left. -Yes. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
So yeah, excitement, anticipation - they're all there. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
-Just - oh, I can't wait. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
She might remember more than I do, and... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Well, I'm just hoping that we can fit the pieces together. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
You know, we've both had journeys through life, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
and see what comes at the end of it. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
To have this opportunity to share a journey so big like this | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
is just amazing. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
It's a miracle, really, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
-and I'm glad I could be a part of that. -So am I. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
I haven't slept properly for the last couple of nights. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Once I knew they were on the plane and on their way, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
I really haven't slept, cos all that's in my head | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
is thinking about them being here, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
and seeing my mum and them reunited, and meeting her for the first time. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
Oh, it's just going to be so fantastic. I just can't... | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
-I'm so excited, it's ridiculous. -I wouldn't let her go. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
I wouldn't want to let her go. She'd have a job to leave me. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
To be quite honest, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
I've been looking for Kathleen that long | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
that I didn't think I would see her again, no. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
And I didn't think I would be making this trip. Not at my age, anyway. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
But I'm glad, I am. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
I'm glad I took the nerve to do it. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
There are thousands of archive libraries around Britain | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
which are full of your family secrets | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
if you wish to delve into them, and most of the information is public. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
In Liverpool, the local archives proved invaluable to Ron Clark | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
when he wanted to find out about his family history. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
As a young boy in the 1950s, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Ron grew up in one of the poorest parts of the city. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Life at the time in the sort of tenement block, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
living in Liverpool would have been real tough, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
because times were hard anyway, money was scarce. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
Ron was a was a child born out of wedlock to a single mother, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
but at the time, he had no idea how difficult life was for her. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
We were terribly poor, but we were also very rich, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
because she brought me culture. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
She taught me to read and gave me an appreciation of authors | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
and poetry and stuff, and so it didn't feel like poverty. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
He may have fond memories of his early life, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
but everything changed for Ron when he was just eight years old. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
One day, out of the blue, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
I went with my mum from school | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
to some nearby relatives, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
and while we were at the relatives, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
my mum stated that she had left her purse back home, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
and she'd be drifting off to get it, and sadly, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
she went away and didn't come back. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
There was a short period of time where I thought maybe my mum | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
was going to return to the relatives'. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
Soon it became obvious that she wasn't coming back, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
and for me, it was devastating. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
I thought the world of my mum. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
It was only me and her. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
We were a little team, and suddenly she'd gone. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
And I was absolutely devastated. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
Ron was only with his relatives for a short time | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
before being uprooted once again. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
I was taken away by some guys from social services | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
and taken to a completely new life. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
We went to a place outside the city | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
where I was brought up with my now new brother, Steve, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
and whilst I can't hide the fact that it is very sad | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
to lose one aspect of your life, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
I then sort of entered another one, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
and was being brought up with my brother. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Ronnie turned up as a young boy, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
round about the same age as myself at the time. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
My parents said that Ronnie was joining us, that he had issues | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
with his family, and he'd be staying with us for a short period of time. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Ron lived happily with his foster parents | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
and his foster brother Steve for many years. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
I'd given up on anything relating to my previous family, | 0:14:54 | 0:15:00 | |
so I at that point simply accepted | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
that I was a guy with a foster brother going through life. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
And that was it. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
It was only when he got married | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
that Ron started to miss his birth family. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
My wife had a huge family, and I had Steve, my foster brother. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
So we had to cater for that by having a very, very small | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
daytime wedding, because of course, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
I had sort of one relative at the time that I could bring along. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
With his focus now on married life and children, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
it was in fact another two decades | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
before Ron started his hunt for his family. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
He started his search at grassroots level, at his local library. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Roger Hull is one of the senior archivists. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
This is the main centre to come for family history | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
in the Liverpool area, and the wider area as well, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
cos a lot of our records cover the whole country. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
So there's a huge wealth of resources here. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
We have the baptismal, marriage and burial registers | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
for most of the Liverpool parishes. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
We also have the Census returns. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
We have a vast collection of local newspapers. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
Probably have about 15,000 people who come through this unit | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
every year looking for their family history. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
For Ron, these archives were the perfect place | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
to try and find out more about his troubled childhood | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
and discover what became of the mother who abandoned him. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
The library were a great help, actually, because what they did, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
they give me an address and a phone number | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
of a particular social services department, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
and I wrote to them, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
and they were able to send me information about my mother. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
And there was some very sad news. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Ron remembers very clearly the moment | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
when he was told about his mother's death as a child. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
I was an 11-year-old kid. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
I'd come home from school. Normal day, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
brought home some woodwork that I was proudly showing off. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
But when I arrived home, my social services visitor | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
was waiting for me - Mr Wilson - | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
and I could tell straight away that something was wrong. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
And he informed me that my mother had died. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
It was devastating. I was very, very sad - I was just a kid. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
After nearly 50 years of uncertainty, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
this letter from social services would finally allow Ron | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
to know how his beloved mother had really died. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
On the 12th March 1969, she was found dead. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
And suicide is indicated on the file, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
but no official confirmation is given. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
As well as revealing the tragic circumstances of his mother's death, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
this letter held some other big surprises for Ron. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
It told me that I had siblings - a girl born in 1939, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
a boy two years later, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
and twins who are half Chinese, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
whose ages were not given. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
And it says there are no details about these children on the file. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
This came as a shock and an amazing surprise. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
It was like this fantastic bonus, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
that because I'd done the work to find out about my mum, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
all this information came my way about my siblings. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
But of course, it was only the start, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
because who where they and where were they? | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
There was obviously some work to be done. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Ron started the search for his siblings | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
with the one key bit of information the letter contained - | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
the date of birth of his sister. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
But all he had to go on was the name Georgina, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
which he'd overheard his foster parents mention once. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
But the search for this name | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
didn't deliver any results with that date of birth, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
so Ron tried searching again under an abbreviation of it. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
We got through all that and found it wasn't actually Georgina, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
it was Jean. It was then a question, really, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
of finding, potentially, the year that she may have married, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
because my guess was that being a young lady, she would have married, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
and we're not going to find her until we have her married surname. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
Ron had to forensically look through every single marriage record | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
in the Liverpool area over a period of almost ten years. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
It was a huge undertaking. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
But finally, it paid off. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
There we go. Found it there. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
We've got Jean Clark, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
and she's married a guy with the surname Ray, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
Liverpool South, and the entry is 10D867. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:52 | |
This Jean Ray had the maiden name Clark, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
which is also Ron's surname. And her date of birth matched too. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Her marriage certificate revealed another vital bit of information - | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
a mother listed as Elizabeth Clark, which was Ron's mother's name. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
So more detective work helped Ron find a possible address | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
for the Jean who he hoped was his older sister. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
And so he wasted no time and drove round there. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
I was filled with all sort of mixed emotions, because... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
I had real butterflies. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
I knew that what happened next could be a life-changing event for me, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
and I knew if I could clarify that this was actually | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Jean and Alan's home, I would be about to meet my sister. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
And it was life-changing. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
And so it was on Christmas Eve, 1998, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
that Ron's life was to change forever. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
I was 60 when I met Ron. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
Hi, Jeanie. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
At the time, it was a total shock for Jean, who, like Ron, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
had grown up thinking she had no other family. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
The only time I knew about Ron was when he found me. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
It was good, you know, knowing that I did have someone, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
because all them years on, I didn't have anyone. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
No relatives, you know? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
You said to my husband, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:19 | |
"Is your wife's birthday the 24th of the 4th '39?" | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
-That's right. -And Alan said, "Yes." -Yeah. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
And he said, "You'd better come in." | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Yeah, because I'll never forget the moment I said, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
-"So would you mind if I say hello to my sister?" -Yeah. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
-And he just looked at me... -I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
-It was emotional, but it was a lovely occasion. -Yeah, it was. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
-Thank you for that. -Ah, you're welcome. -Thank you very much. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
I just wish it had been a bit... | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
-Sooner. -Sooner than that, yeah. And aren't we alike? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
-We are. -Poor you! HE LAUGHS | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
-I think it's lovely, Ron. I do. -Ah. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
But yeah, I suppose we are alike, aren't we? | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
-And says we laugh the same. -And we like the same - | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
we like the Eagles and you like the Eagles. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
-There you go. -Strange, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Through finding Jean, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Ron also made contact with another sibling, Roy. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
That's me, you, and there's our Roy. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
Sadly, Roy's no longer with us, of course, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
but because of you I did get to see him | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
-and I did get to meet him and spent time there. -Yes. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
So that again was the same experience all over again | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
of meeting a sibling that, you know, I'd never known previously. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
-So another lovely experience. -Yeah. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
But Ron's search for his new family didn't end there. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
A letter Ron was given by social services | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
explaining his mother's death had also referenced | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
two mysterious twin siblings who were half Chinese. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Finding Jean now inspired Ron to launch a new search for them. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
After a local newspaper wrote an article | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
about him and Jean, a cousin got in touch | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
with a vital piece of information about the twins. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
They gave me that little clue that we didn't have, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
which was that surname, which led to the name Yong. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
And because by now we were used to doing a bit of detective work, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
we were able to trace their births. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
And that was the start of the adventure of actually finding them. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
It was a bit daunting to think | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
that it was time to start searching all over again, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
because I did realise that it takes up a lot of time. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
But at the end of the adventure, finding Jean, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
it was so rewarding, and I wouldn't change a thing. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
This time around, Ron could use all the family finding resources | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
the internet has to offer, so he went straight to website | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
that allows anyone to browse through a range of family records. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
Once I had the name Yong, it was a sort of eureka moment, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
because the name is obviously nothing like as widely known | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
as the name Clark would be. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
And searching for that name, I was able, actually, to find | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
a birth registration for somebody, and it was listed as "Yong or Clark" | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
so I knew absolutely that I'd found their names. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
It was an incredible moment. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
There he is. So we know we've got Raymond F Clark, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
mother's maiden name Yong or Clark, for whatever reason at the time, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
but it helped me no end, because that proved to me | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
that this is the guy, unquestionably. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
I've now got his birth date as well as being between | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
January and March 1952, so we've got an age. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Armed with this information, Ron trawled the social networking sites | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
and found a photograph that someone had posted of a wedding in Bali. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Yeah, there it is. That's the photo that I found | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
when I could identify for the first time ever | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
the guy that I thought was Raymond, my brother. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
And I just immediately felt a sort of bond - | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
that, "There he is, that's my brother." I knew. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
He had a strong lead, but now Ron had to find a way | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
of getting in touch with this Raymond Clark. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
If, like Ron, you fancy searching for your family by yourself, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
then birth, death and marriage certificates | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
are a great starting point. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Cross-referencing these records will allow you to discover | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
if families have moved address | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
or if people have changed their last names. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
And signatories on these documents often lead | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
to other relatives or next of kin. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Until the 1990s, the only way of accessing these documents | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
was by going to the national or local registry offices | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and trawling through their archives on microfiche. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
But in recent years, these certificates | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
have been collated into searchable databases, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
which are available on various genealogy websites. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
In Lincolnshire, 80-year-old Violet Rossini is on her way | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
to meet her beloved sister Kathleen. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
They were separated when Violet was aged eight, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
and haven't seen each other for 72 years. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Are you excited? | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
Yes. Yes, excited. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
But also nervous. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
After taking on their case, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
the Salvation Army found Kathleen in a nursing home in Lincoln, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
where she is waiting with her daughter Sharon | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
for this transcontinental reunion. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
-Does it feel unreal? -It does, actually. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Yeah, bit surreal. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
Just want to hold her. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
-Your heart going? -Yeah. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
-Yeah. Blood pressure going up! -SHE LAUGHS | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
Oh! | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
Hello. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
THEY MURMUR INDISTINCTLY | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
-72 years. -But I've thought of you all the time. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
Have you? So have I. So have I. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
-How have you felt? -Oh, waiting, waiting just now. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
But it's been worth every minute. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
-It has, hasn't it? -Yes. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
-But we're here now. -Yeah. And we'll keep in touch. -Yes. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
-Don't know where to begin, do we? -No, but we will eventually. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
-Never forgotten. -Neither have I. There's been that bond. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
A very strong bond. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
-What's her name, did you say? I forgot. -Candy. -Candy? -Yeah. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
-I had a little dog called that. -I knew that was coming! | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
THEY LAUGH I think she's better than a dog! | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Auntie Violet has travelled across, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
what, half the world to get here at her age. I'm astounded. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
Respect to the lady. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
She's found a missing piece of her life. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
I think as much as she says that she is happy and, you know, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
bubbly - she is all of that, but now it's that one notch higher. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
She's found someone that knows the stories that she remembers | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
and can confirm that they're true. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
-I had a little dog called Penny. -Oh, did you? | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
-Yeah. -He was a cheap one, then? -Very cheap! | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
You've got the same old cracks, haven't you? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
They are so alike, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
and immediately the sense of humour came out, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
and it was the same. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
I've never seen her cry, so the fact that she broke down - | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
it's like, you knew she was coming home. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
She's come to someone that she recognises and has a bond with | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
and is someone that's so familiar without knowing her for 72 years. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
It's amazing that that's the reaction that they had. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
Can you remember giving me a piggyback up the hill | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
-when we were going to school? -Oh, yes. -And we kept it secret. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
-Yes. -We used to meet in secret. -Yes, I did. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
The ultimate revenge for my mum, meeting Violet again, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
on the people who dragged them apart, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
is they're now together again. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
I lived round the corner, and my foster mother didn't want me | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
to have anything to do with Kathleen when she found out we were related. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
-How awful's that, though? -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
-And so we used to... -Meet in secret? -Yeah. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
They should have known each other their whole lives, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
and now they get to make up for that. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
I don't believe that! | 0:29:42 | 0:29:43 | |
Thrilled to bits. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
She was what I expected. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
I've been waiting for her and loved her for all this time. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
I was shocked to see how much we do look alike. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
And it was after that, everything just blew away. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
You know, it's, "Oh, yes, this is Kathleen," you know? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Awesome, awesome. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
It is really nice to have to have my sister back, because, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
well, she's meant a lot to me all these years. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
I've never forgotten her and I've always thought about her. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
So I am glad to have a sister back again. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
It doesn't feel like 72 years at all since we last met. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
A lot of things that I've felt, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Kathleen's been able to put into place, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
and I've got that sense of feeling | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
that what I thought is right, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
and I wasn't just imagining it. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
And she's just closed everything up for me. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
That's my youngest daughter. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
It's like a miracle. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:50 | |
I can't really describe it any other way, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
because I never really thought I would ever see her. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
I thought if I found her she might have passed away, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
because she was older than me, and I'm getting on to. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
But now this is just really wonderful. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
In London the next day, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Violet and Candace pop by the Salvation Army Family Finders office | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
to meet the team who helped them trace Kathleen. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
Good morning, everybody. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
I just want to say thank you for the wonderful, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
wonderful job that you've done, and for all the hard work. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
I'm very grateful and always will be. Thank you very much. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
Thank you once again. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
As a caseworker, you don't often think of the impact | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
that what you're doing will have on somebody | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
until you get that phone call and you can hear it in their voice, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
that they're so excited to be in contact with that person, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
so it's thrilling to be able to be part of that excitement | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
and that reuniting of family members. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
In Liverpool, Ron Clark thought he was on his own | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
from the age of eight, but when he was in his '40s, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
Ron started searching for his siblings, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
and found four brothers and sisters he'd never known. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
That's me, you, and there's our Roy. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
He'd found his older sister, Jean, and a brother, Roy, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
but next, Ron was on the hunt for the half Chinese twins | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
who are also his siblings. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
The difference between finding Jean | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
and dealing with finding the twins | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
was I could use some more modern technology, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
some newer methods. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
When Ron started trawling through social network sites, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
he came across an image that changed everything. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
But it turned out Ray was on the other side of the world, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
in Bali, Indonesia. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Ron found an e-mail for the hotel which Ray manages there | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
and sent him a letter. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
"Dear Raymond, I have something important to discuss with you. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
"Will you contact me?" | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
With a telephone number | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
I recognised as being a Liverpool telephone number, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
signed Ron Clark. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
Speechless. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
Sat in my office and took a deep breath, I thought, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
"Oh, my God, what's this?" | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Then I sort of calmed down a little bit, and I'm thinking, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
"Hmmm, relative." | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Somebody's found us. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
Cos I didn't know about Ron. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
Nobody told me about Ron. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Didn't know he existed. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
So then when I called him, the minute he spoke, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
the minute I spoke - automated connection. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
It's like we knew each other already. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
Just chatted and chatted and chatted. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
And then I told him, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
"OK, next time I come to the UK we'll get together." | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
And the next time I got to the UK, we had the weekend together. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Fantastic. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Super nice. Yeah. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
Ray always thought he and his twin sister Irene | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
were completely on their own with no immediate family. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
I'm so proud of what he's done. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
-Yeah, fantastic. -And he's found us in the end. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
-And he's helped us belong to someone at last. -Take my hat off to him. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
Yeah, absolutely. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
They've all met up before, but now Ray's come over from Bali | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
and Irene's come from her home in Wigan for another family gathering. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
And the first port of call is big sister Jean's house. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
-Hi! -Hello! -My little sister. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
-How are you? -Jean, look what I found. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
-How are you? -Little bit better now, thank you. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
Hiya. I heard you haven't been very well. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
-I'm all right now, seeing you. -Ahhh. -THEY LAUGH | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
-Nice to see you again. -Thank you. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-Everything go OK? -Yes, thank you. -Good girl. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
-Lovely. -It is lovely, isn't it? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
-What a nice little house you've got here! -Eh? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
-Nice little house you got here. -Lovely little bungalow. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
-Yeah. -I like it, me. It's lovely. Cosy. Dead cosy. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
Connecting with Ron has been an amazing experience for Ray | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
and Irene, but they still have a lot of questions for him | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
about their mother. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:30 | |
As far as we know, our mother is listed as deserting us | 0:35:30 | 0:35:36 | |
at three months. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
No physical memories. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
Unlike Ron - Ron's got eight years he lived with her. Great memories. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
So some of the things he tells me, I'm all ears. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Listening, listening, you know? Cos we didn't have that privilege. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
-Is very interesting, though, isn't it? When he's telling us. -Yeah. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
While they're in Liverpool, Ron takes them both | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
to the very same area where he grew up with their mum in the 1950s. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
How long did you actually live there with Mum? | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
Six, seven years of my life was spent here in Kent Gardens. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
-We didn't get that privilege, so we don't know. -No. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
-But this one is an actual photo... -Of the apartment? -Yeah. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
But you don't call it apartment, you call it a tenement. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
Well, yeah, I mean, they were referred to - | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
the Scouse term was "tennies". | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
The tennies. So we'd say we live in the tennies of Kent Gardens. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
Built in 1938, Kent Gardens was part | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
of a £20 million redevelopment scheme across Liverpool, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
which was designed to replace the overcrowded | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
and unsanitary slums across the city. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Kent Gardens itself was demolished in the 1970s, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
but at the time of its construction, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
tenement blocks like this were considered highly progressive. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
So they were brand-new as the time, and they were probably much better | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
than the housing that people had lived in before. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
Obviously had running water, sanitation, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
indoor lavatories and baths, whereas the old buildings might not have had that. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
Probably have been a luxury for the people who moved into them, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
from what has happened before. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
But while these new blocks did provide safe, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
sanitary housing for former slum dwellers, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
this was still high density living, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
with many large extended families crammed into small flats. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
It probably would have been a hard life for them, but you tend to find | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
there's a great community atmosphere in these tenements. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Some fell by the wayside, but others were indomitable, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
and that's this Liverpool spirit, isn't it? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
This indomitable spirit which saw them through the Blitz in the 1940s, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
and it's the Scouser as we know today. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
In a close-knit community like this, being a single parent | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
would undoubtedly have carried a certain stigma | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
for Ron's mother, Elizabeth, and this may ultimately have contributed | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
to her children ending up in care. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Because of the social ethos, the morality of the time, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
which frowned on such things - | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
that marriage was sacrosanct | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
and to have a child out of wedlock was, you know, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
frowned upon, to put it mildly. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
And although Kent Gardens was close to Chinatown and the docks, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
having mixed race children out of wedlock here | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
would have made life even tougher. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
-Looks quite grim, doesn't it? -It does. -In one way, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
-but it's a community. -It is. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
-This was Liverpool in the '50s and the '60s. -It was. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
-It wasn't an unhappy place. -No. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
At the time, most of the people in this area were poor, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
but of course our mum, single parent, poorer than most. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
And yet, you know, she managed with no resources whatsoever | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
to make my life as happy as possible at things like Christmas time. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
All my memories of living there are very happy ones. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
It's quite ghostly, cos this is the very first time | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
-I'm hearing this address. -Yes. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
This area feels so familiar to me, because although there are buildings | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
that have modernised and changed, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
the basic layout of the area is the same, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
and you know, I recognise, I'm familiar with it, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
cos I used to go to school down the road. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
During the time you were still living there, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
I'm actually just starting to go to college. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
-College, just up the road. -Which is walking distance away. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
-I wish I'd known a bit more about this earlier on. -Of course. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
-Walking down the road, could have gone knocking on the door. -Yeah. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
-Would've been good, that, wouldn't it? -"Can I have a cup of tea?" -THEY LAUGH | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
-There, see? That's how close we were. -Absolutely. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
-So close and so far away. -That's right. -Yeah. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
-Great stuff, man. -Thank you. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
I think life was pretty desperate. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
I mean, this was post-war years - | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
money was short. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Maybe there was bread on the table some days, not every day. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
He tends to gloss over a little bit, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
cos they were happy days for him, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
and I'm sure they were really, really happy days, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
but I think during those happy days, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
and he didn't know anything different, things were tight. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
And I think that was poverty in reality. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
I wish I could have been there with my mum. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Not sure I'd like to be there | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
enduring those same circumstances, though. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
Ron's tireless search for his family | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
has brought him together with his siblings Ray, Irene and Jean. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
But while Ray's here in the UK, Ron would like the twins to meet someone | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
who's equally important to him - his foster brother Steve, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
who he grew up with from the age of eight. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
I've never met Irene or Ray. This is the very first time. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
I'm really looking forward to it, I'm sure we'll get on great, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
hopefully, and I hope to see a lot more of them as well. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
You know, it's good for me. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
I'm a little bit nervous, because we've never met. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
-Cheers. -Cheers, Ron. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Hey, hey! | 0:41:17 | 0:41:18 | |
I don't even need to be introduced. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
-Is that OK? -Cos I'm sure... | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
-Hiya. Come here. I've got you first. -Hiya! | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
Hiya. How are you? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
-Ray. -Very pleased to meet you. -Very, very pleased to meet you. -Yeah. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
-You're here now. -Thank you. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
-We've met. -Yeah, we've met a few times. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
I thought through my whole childhood, adulthood, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:49 | |
that the only relative I had was my twin sister Irene. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
There was nobody else. And all of a sudden | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
I've got this new-found family - massive! | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
-It's gone from like a small finding to massive. -Massive. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
You know, when Ronnie rings me and says to me, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
"I've found somebody else now." And it's networking, isn't it, really? | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
-It's networking in effect. -Yeah. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:09 | |
Because oh, you know, you've got a cousin here | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
or a second cousin there or an aunt here or an uncle there. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
And they're not just in Liverpool any more. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
-No, they're all over the world. -And I was in Australia two weeks ago, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
and then he was telling me, "Oh, we've got relations in Brisbane!" | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
And I said, "I was there last week!" | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
So I have a family. And I've been brought up all these years | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
thinking I didn't have a family. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
So now I'm a family man. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
Yeah, so it's quite exciting. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Well, it went superbly well, didn't it? | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
As much as it may be true to say that my mum's not here | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
to see these things, this is the next best thing. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
We've created a situation that she would be very, very proud of. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
I just know that she would. And for me that's everything. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:58 | |
Since filming the programme, Kathleen has passed away, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
but not before having the opportunity to catch up | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
on a lifetime of happy memories with her beloved sister Violet. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 |