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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
My mum went away and didn't come back. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
And when you do lose touch with your loved ones... | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
I never saw Kathleen again. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
..finding them can take a lifetime. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
I wonder where he is, I wonder what he's doing. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
You don't really know where to begin. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
Especially when they could be anywhere, at home or abroad. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
And that's where the Family Finders come in. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
From international organisations... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
There's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
..to genealogy detective agencies... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
When is it you last had contact with him? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..and dedicated one-man bands. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I like to do searches that other people can't get, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
cos it makes me feel good. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
They hunt through history... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
to bring families back together again. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
You are my biological dad. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders... | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
This case came from our Australian colleagues. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
..learning the tricks they use to track missing relatives | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
through time... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm 68 years of age, she's 75 years of age and we're just starting off. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
I said, "Well, this is your younger sister." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
It's a miracle. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I was struck speechless, and I couldn't stop crying. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It's a proud moment for Dad. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
...of finding my family. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Every year, thousands of people throughout the UK attempt to trace | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
long-lost relatives. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
Sometimes, all they have is a tiny scrap of information, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
but charities and private agencies can help track people down. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
Good afternoon, Family Tracing, how can I help? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Family break-up can put a huge distance between parents | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
and their children. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
Divorce is a really | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
common reason for families to lose touch | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
with one another, like in this situation with Claire. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Her parents had separated when she was really young and they'd lost | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
contact completely, and that's why she was trying to find him. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Claire Seville is a photographer based in Birmingham. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Come on. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
She and her husband, Chance, have a seven-year-old daughter, Dylan, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
and family life is very important to Claire. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
But she never knew her own father. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
When Dad left, I was three months old, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
Sarah was about six, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
so I've got no memories of him at all. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
I was too little to know what was going on. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
As a child, Claire always felt she was in some way responsible | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
for her dad's departure. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Mum never spoke about Dad. And if you asked about him, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
it got shut down very quickly. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
She also worried what her older sister, Sarah, thought. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
I used to think when we were growing up... | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
that she thought it was my fault that he'd left because I was a new baby. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
And because he left only three months after me being born, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
I used to feel that maybe she thought it was my fault at that time. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
I didn't have... You know, nothing had been said, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
that was my own conclusion. I drew it myself growing up. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Claire may have no memories of her father, George, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
but things are quite different for her sister, Sarah. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Remembering back to having Dad there, I was like his shadow. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Totally follow him anywhere and everywhere. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
I really enjoyed being around him, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
remember lots of things about him, erm... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
and just spending time with him, really. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
I always wanted to spend time with him and be with him. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
I remember one picture of him, sort of, standing in Drayton Manor, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
I think it was. I think the whole family had gone - | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
all the aunts and uncles and everything - | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
and it was kind of from a distance. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
And he just looked like a guy with dark hair and a moustache, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
sort of, '70s-style, but you couldn't really see his face. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
But I didn't have any other pictures other than that. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
And, quite a funny story, actually. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Because I'd got this image of this man with black hair and a moustache, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
when I was about four, Mum took me on the bus to go into town | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
and the bus driver had dark hair and a moustache. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
And I shouted at the top of my voice, "Are you my dad?" | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
And my mum died, she actually died a death | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
in front of a bus full of people that have just asked the bus driver | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
if he was my dad. But it was cos I'd got that image | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
of the moustache from the photo | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
that I just came out with it. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
With their mum working, the girls spent a lot of time | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
with their grandparents, Helena and George. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
When Mum and Dad split, we had very supportive grandparents. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
Grandad's always been great, you know, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
I never felt like I'd missed out at all with my dad not being around | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
cos I didn't know what it would be like. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
So, sort of, Grandad was my dad to me, really. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
And all the things that you do with your dad like play football | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
in the back garden and the gardening and all those kind of things, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
I did with him. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
And I didn't realise that it was strange that I was living | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
with my grandparents until I started senior school | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
and someone said, "Well, how come you live with your grandparents?" | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
And it was always being normal to me to be around them so much. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Cos we had, you know, grandparents that were there, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
I don't think we felt the impact so much then. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
I started to feel the impact more so when I was a teenager, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
and realising that actually my family set-up was quite different | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
to my friends at school, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
and realising that most people didn't have the grandad | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
that did everything that the dad normally did. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
And then starting to remember things about my dad's family. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
And I wonder what he's doing and if he remembers, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
you know, being with us ever or if we're just completely forgotten. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
The girls were happy growing up in Birmingham in the 1980s, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
a life interrupted just once by the presence of their father. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
The last time I saw my dad, I was ten, almost 11, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
and it was a school open day for my secondary school, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
so quite a bizarre set up, really, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
because he obviously came with us all to my secondary school | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
to have a look round. So quite bizarre, really. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
I remember being quite proud that he was there | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
and looking round the school with me | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and thinking that the other kids would just look at us | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
as a normal family, yet I knew I hadn't seen him since I was six, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
so that was quite bizarre, really. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
I've only got one memory of my dad | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and it... All I can remember is the back of his head. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
He was having a shave in the bathroom | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
and I remember walking past the bathroom, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
I must have only been about four, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
seeing him there, but I didn't know who he was. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
When Sarah was 15, she did try to get in touch with her father. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
I did actually write to him. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
I remember sending this letter with a stamped addressed envelope | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
saying, "If you don't want anything to do with me, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
"then I can cope with that, but just send back the envelope empty | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
"and I'll know," and nothing ever came back, so I was kind of left | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
in limbo, not really knowing whether he cared or not. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
So that was quite difficult. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
After trying to contact their father without response, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
the girls got on with their lives. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Both got married and had families of their own. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
But they were always left wondering | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
whether their dad ever wanted to see them again. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
A few years ago, something dawned on me and it was basically, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
I don't know whether he's alive or dead. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
And that had quite a big impact. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
It does pull on the heartstrings to think that there is family out there | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
that should be part of your life and should know | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
what you're doing and support you and you be supporting them | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
but not to have any contact with them at all. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
In many cases, people use traditional methods | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
to trace long-lost relatives. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
But for Claire, the death of her grandparents left her longing | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
for a connection with her family. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
In desperation, she tried to talk to her grandparents... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
beyond the grave. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I actually went for a reading with a medium, erm... | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
You know, not everyone believes in it, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
but after losing my two grandparents, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
I felt like I needed to go and, sort of, connect with the other side, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
and my dad's dad came through. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
And he said that he wished he'd done more | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
and he wished that he'd pushed for us to have seen each other more, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
but please don't give up and go and find him before it's too late. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
And that really, sort of, spurred me on then | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
and I was determined that I was going to find him. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
After starting with a fairly ethereal approach | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
to tracing her relatives, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
Claire's now going down a more straightforward route | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
and has got in touch with a family finding agency. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
These are the words that Claire sent to us. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
"I would like to find my dad. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
"He split with my mum when I was three months old, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
"came back once when I was four, but I didn't really know who he was. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
"I haven't seen him since, I don't know him at all | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
"or what it looks like. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
"I feel like it's a part of who I am that's missing." | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
I always wondered where my dad was and, erm... | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
what his life was like now and whether he'd had more children. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
That always, sort of, fascinated me, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
that I might have half brothers and sisters somewhere. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
This is a really, really typical response | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
from somebody who's trying to get back in touch with somebody | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
and these are the things they want to know. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
If you imagine if you didn't know who your father was, or your mother, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
and you wouldn't have any details about them at all, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
you would want to know what they looked like, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
if they look like you, if they were like you in any way | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
and things like that. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
When Claire said that she'd gone ahead and found this tracing company | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
that were actually going to find him, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
I, kind of, didn't think that they would. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
I thought, "No, it probably won't happen, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
"so I'm not going to worry too much about it at this stage." | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
She said to me that it was important that I found him | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
because I didn't know him and I hadn't got any memories. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
I needed to meet him so I knew. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
It's just...it's a big hole in my life that I know nothing about. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
The information that Claire was able to come to us with was... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
was quite a lot really compared to...what some people have. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
She didn't think it was particularly much, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
but from our point of view, it was really helpful information. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
So Claire came to us with the name of the person | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
that she was looking for, which was George Saville. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
She knew that he was about 63 years old, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
that he came originally from Yorkshire | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
and that he had some brothers and sisters, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
an older sister called Susan | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and a much younger brother called John. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
The next step in finding George | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
was to try and find a birth record for him. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
What we came up with was a George Saville... | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
..born in Bradford in 1952. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
Now, that puts him exactly the age of the person | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
that we were looking for. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
And we could also see that there was only one person | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
called George Saville born in or around 1952. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
So only one person who would be the right age | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
for the George Saville we were looking for. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
When we looked closer at his birth record, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
we found his mother's maiden surname, which was Edmondson. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
We cross-referenced other birth records with the surname Saville | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
where the mother's maiden surname was Edmondson | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
and found an older sister called Susan | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
and a younger brother called John. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
So we knew that it fit, it fit the person that we were looking for, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
so we're absolutely confident we've found the right birth record. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
They sent a letter to this George Saville | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
but if they're to be reunited with their father, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
they now need him to respond. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Not everyone uses specialist search agencies to find their family. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
Many try searching themselves. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
People like Ray Martin, for example. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
Ray was born in 1957 and grew up in Newcastle | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
with the people he thought were his natural parents. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
Ray loved his childhood in '60s Newcastle. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
His family were part of the mining community | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
but the industry was in decline and they had to leave. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Despite his brief time in Newcastle, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Ray formed a strong bond with the city. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
I was only in Newcastle till the age of 11... | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
..and then I left. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
At the time, I remember, I cried my eyes out. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
It was, it was very... At that time, at that age, it was very tearful. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
In those days, in 1969, the actual... | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
the pits up north were closing. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
The only place which was for the coalface | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
was places like Nottingham. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
You know, the decision was made, we moved down to Nottingham. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Initially, Ray enjoyed his new life in his new home. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
Yeah, we used to have some fun and games. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Local village kids played the other local village kids at football. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
But one night, at the age of 14, his world was turned on its head. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
There was an argument. You know, you can hear the voices downstairs | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
in the kitchen and I just happened to be on the stairs at the time. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
And then, as you do when you're at that age, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
you think you want to listen, you want to be nosy and find out | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
what is actually happening. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Me auntie there says, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
"You took him on, you adopted him." | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
And as soon as I heard that, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
as I was sitting on the stairs, it just... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
you know what I mean? It just, bang! | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
And it was a shock. It just seemed like you were in a cocoon after that. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
You're oblivious to what was going around you, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
you just... Soon as you heard that, it was just shock | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
and you were just, "What?" | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
Ray had found out he was adopted in one of the worst ways imaginable, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
and life would never be the same again. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
The young Ray was left with lots of questions, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
but his adoptive mother, Violet, wouldn't give him any information | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
about his background. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
She wouldn't say nothing because as far...in her eyes, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
I was her child, and that's how she looked at it. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
So you can imagine, there was no questions. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
She'd done the best and I was quite happy | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
for what she was giving to me and the surrounding people around me. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
But at 16, Ray was ready to leave home. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
He joined the Army and had a family of his own. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
It wasn't until his adoptive mum, Violet, died | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
that he felt able to begin the search for his birth mother. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
What I wanted to do is I wanted to meet me mother, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
me birth mother. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:20 | |
Erm, and... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
I wanted to see how she felt. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
Because I know in myself that for any woman to give up a child | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
for any reason, it is hard, it's got to be hard. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
So that's why I wanted to meet. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Let her, in her own time, tell me what I wanted to know. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
All he had to go on was his mother's name, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
Maureen Robinson, from a scrap of paperwork. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Me birth mother, Maureen Robinson, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
she had me christened... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
at Wallsend St Luke's church | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
but it wasn't much to go on, really. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
You know, it was difficult and, like, a needle in a haystack. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Ray and his wife wrote letters to lots of different Maureen Robinsons | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
and did all they could to find her, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
but by his late 40s, Ray gave up hope | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
and decided to stop looking for his mum. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
It's demoralising when you think about it | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
because it's something which you want to close your book. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
And yet you will never get the end of that book... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
if them pages are missing. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
Ray concentrated on bringing up his own family. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
But his son, Alan, had witnessed his dad's search for his birth mother | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
while he was growing up. And when he was old enough, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
Alan decided his dad shouldn't give up hope | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
and restarted the search for Ray's mum. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
What I really wanted to... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
provide my dad was the answers to his questions. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Alan was born in the digital age and had the tenacity and the know-how | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
to take on the task. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Part of it is the person that I am as well - I love a challenge. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Erm, you know. And what more of a challenge than | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
something that somebody else couldn't solve. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
What also changed was it was the age of the internet | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
and various other tools that are out there. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Despite all the years of searching, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
Alan's dad, Ray, hadn't left him with much to go on. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
The information we had was | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
purely just his mother's name. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
Unfortunately, it's a very common name up in Newcastle | 0:16:24 | 0:16:30 | |
and we had no date of birth, which is the tricky thing. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
So Alan decided to guess his grandmother's date of birth. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Genes Reunited played a key part, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
many evenings were spent searching for births, marriages, deaths, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
and a lot of information was gathered. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Lists of people's names who were potential matches. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
By searching the marriage records, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
Alan found 16 potential Maureen Robinsons | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
who got married around that age in Newcastle. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
Armed with his list of potential grandmothers, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
it was time to leave Essex and head north. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
The next step was a field trip to Newcastle | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
in the hope that we could go up there and find | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
who else she lived with at the time and work backwards from there. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
Alan searched through the electoral rolls | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
but failed to come up with any new information | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
until a crucial meeting with social services finally revealed | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
exactly why his father had been put up for adoption. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
I suppose for you it was quite nice to gain an answer | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
to one of the questions of why you were given up. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Yeah, that's right. What we were told was it wasn't just like, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
open the door, kick the backside and that was it. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
It wasn't like that, it was totally different. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
It was due to illness within the family, and that's the reason why. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Those days and times in the '50s, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
when a member of the family's ill, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
-it's hard for them to keep the family going. -Yeah. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Erm, and so that was the best option | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
and when I got adopted out to me birth mother's best friend. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
Most intriguingly of all, Ray had always thought he was an only child, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
but on the paperwork, there was a hint | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
that he might even have siblings. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
They wasn't sure at the time how many it was, but, I think, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
there was an indication that there was other siblings, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
brothers and sisters. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
And, I think, when you're on your own - | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
you've been brought up on your own as an only child - | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
and you find out that there's more than one of yous, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
yeah, it's a certain shock to the system. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
But a good one at that, anyway. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
And the adoption papers held one final critical clue. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Ray's father's surname was Robson, a common name in Newcastle | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
but at least it was a name. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
How I felt was, "Oh, we're getting closer." | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
"We're getting closer to trying to find a family and that." | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
Armed with this new information, Alan checked the 16 marriages | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
involving a Maureen Robinson, and one of them came good. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Luck has it that there was one that had Robson as the surname. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
Erm, so that was the first...that was the first point, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
it was let's order it, let's order that marriage certificate... | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
and see what comes back. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Only by matching up the signatures on the marriage certificate | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and the adoption papers would they know for sure | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
that this was Ray's mother. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
But for now, all they could do was wait for the certificates to arrive. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
In Birmingham, Claire Seville's dad, George, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
left home when she was just three months old. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
But now, just two days after sending a letter to the man they think | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
may be Claire's father, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
a family finding agency has received a phone call. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
I spoke with him, asked if he believed that the letter, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
the details related to him. He confirmed that they did. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
I asked him if he'd ever been married, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
he confirmed the name of the person that he'd been married to, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
which was Claire's mum, so I knew that we definitely had | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
the right person. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Once I told George that it was his daughter Claire | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
who was trying to find him, he was really shocked. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
But he did say that he was pleased, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
and one of the first things he said to me was that he thinks | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
it's something he should have done himself a long time ago. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
I was away on holiday when Dave from FinderMonkey phoned me. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
He said to me, "Claire we've made contact with the George Saville." | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
And I said, "Yes." And he went through a few more details. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
And he said, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
"He is your dad and he knows exactly who you are | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
"and he wants to see you." | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
I just burst into tears. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
I know the day that Claire actually got the phone call | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
to say that you had found him was a really emotional day for Claire | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
but I, kind of, felt numb, I didn't really know whether to be happy, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
sad, indifferent. I just...just didn't know. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
There was definitely a part of me that thought | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
he won't want to be in touch, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
you know, he's not got in touch previously. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
And then there's that whole fear of rejection. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
But equally, I thought, well, maybe it was his fear of rejection | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
that he hadn't made the time to get in touch with us. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
Sarah's mixed emotions and unanswered questions remain. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
But for Claire, it'll be the first time she's ever seen her dad. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
I've not even thought about what he's going to look like, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
what he's going to sound like or anything like that | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
until Sarah discussed it with me the day and said, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
"Oh, you know he's got a really northern accent, don't you?" | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
And I was like, "Well, no, I don't even know." | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
He's, kind of, the man without a voice and a face to me. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
I'm not saying that there won't be a few tears off me, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
but, I think, for Claire, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
actually physically seeing her dad for the very first time | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
is just going to probably blow her away to be honest. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Sarah's always said to me growing up, "You're just like Dad, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
"you're just like Dad. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
"You really look like him." So, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
you know, for me to actually meet him and see whether I do look like him | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
will be very interesting. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
Over 100 miles to the north, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
the arrival of the letter from the Family Finders | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
was the first news George had had of his daughters | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
in nearly three decades. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
One morning, I had a letter through the post, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
and it was handwritten. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
So, when I opened it up, it was a letter from a company | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
called FinderMonkey. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
And it basically said, "We are trying to trace a person | 0:22:29 | 0:22:35 | |
"called George Saville, who was born in 1952. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:42 | |
"He has a sister called Susan and a brother called John." | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
And so you think, "That's me." | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
For George, the letter was a bridge to a past | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
he thought he'd lost forever. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
I met Sarah and Claire's mother in a nightclub | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
in the centre of Birmingham called the Dolce Vita. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
I remember it well, yeah. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
We got married in 19..71 | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
and then Sarah came not long after that. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
And then, obviously, Claire came along after, yeah. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
When the girls were growing up in Birmingham, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
George was a young policeman. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
At that time, it was a really good job. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
There was a good camaraderie between the guys. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
But the nature of the job meant George wasn't around for his family | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
as much as he would have liked. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Obviously, being in the police, I worked shifts, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
so it was... That was difficult because you're... | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
here, there and... You know, it wasn't really stable, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
it was up and down and not there on a sort of regular basis. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
Unfortunately, yeah, we had a break-up, | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
erm, and I decided that... | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
..I wanted to leave Birmingham, I wanted to go back to... | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
back up to Bradford where I came from. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
Claire was only a young baby | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
and maybe Sarah was probably about six years old at the time, yeah. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
So, yeah, very traumatic time and sad and... | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
But... | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
I couldn't...I didn't get on with the mother. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Things weren't very good at home. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
Having remarried and relocated to Bradford, in Yorkshire, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
it became difficult for George to include the offspring | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
of a troubled marriage he wanted to forget. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
I was... | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
..quite selfish... | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
..you know? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I think, yeah, you... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
..put the past behind you. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
And I'd got another wife. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
And I've often thought that... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Yeah, I should have been the one to get in touch. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Missed a lot, I missed so much. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
And they have as well, yeah. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
It's only when you start to reflect as an adult | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
of all the things that he should have been there for | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
that you realise the impact of him not being there. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
I've always been quite a strong person, so I've always been, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
"Well, I don't need him for anything. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
"He's never been there, so it doesn't really matter." | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
But the older I get and the more I look at things and think, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
"Well, he wasn't there when I got married, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
"he wasn't there at my graduation, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
"he wasn't there at the boys' christenings," you know, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
that kind of thing, you start to realise then that, actually, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
yes, I've missed out on having him around, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
but he's missed out on loads by not being here. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Everybody has missed an awful lot, everybody. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
Yeah, both families. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
It could have been... | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
a lot different, a lot better, yeah. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
So many special family moments may have been missed, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
but now it's time to make new memories. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Today, Sarah and Claire are on their way to see a father | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
who hasn't been part of their lives for 33 years. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
Thank you. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:38 | |
With such a momentous reunion, inevitably there are mixed emotions | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
and thoughts swirling around their heads. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
For me, initially, it's...how does Dad look now? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
You know, do I remember him, are my memories as good | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
as I think they are? | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
For me, just meeting him. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
The biggest thing for me now is just to actually meet my dad properly | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
for the first time, knowing who he is, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
knowing that he's my dad and seeing if we can build from this. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
There's an awful lot to catch up with from my side and theirs, so... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
..be just good to find out how things are at the moment... | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
..and then slowly go back, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
go back in time... | 0:27:27 | 0:27:28 | |
..and...yeah, learn all about them | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
and what their lives have been like. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
For you, I think, with the rejection - | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
when you wrote the letter - that you felt then, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
I know that it hurt you at that point. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
For whatever reason, he didn't get back to you. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
And I think for you, you put it to bed then. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Yeah, I did. I absolutely did. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
-And I think that's what I thought the result would be... -Yeah. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
..when you said that they had found him. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
-I thought we were going to have the same thing again. -Yeah. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
It's... | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
Yeah, it's quite a big call to realise the fact that, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
yeah, I've got two daughters, I've always known about them... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
..but now I've got three grandchildren | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
and two son-in-law, two son-in-laws | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
all...all to get to know, if...if they want to know me. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:29 | |
George and his daughters are just minutes away | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
from fixing three decades of absence and heartache. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
I am extremely nervous, you know, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
I admit that. I'm just... | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
I don't know what to expect and... Yeah. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
But I'm looking forward to it, I'm sure it's going to be | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
really positive, yeah. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
-We've got each other. -We have. -And we both have the same feelings. -Yeah. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
Oh, dear me, here we go. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Have a deep breath. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
I've gone all hot. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
With just moments to go to the reunion, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
soon Claire and Sarah will see their father again. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Understandably, feelings are running high. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
CLAIRE CRIES SOFTLY | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
It's all right, don't worry. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
CLAIRE SOBS | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
So emotional. I always knew that I'd know them, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
I knew that I'd recognise them again, even after all that time. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
-Hello, Dad. You all right? -Come on. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
-It's really good to see you. -Hm, yeah. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
-I'm crying all over you. -It doesn't matter. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
I tried to keep it together, but I failed miserably. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
But I'm just so happy to finally see him and know what he looks like. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
-Yeah, it's good to see you. -And you, yeah. -It's really good. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
Yeah, both of you. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
-It's been too long. -Too long. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
I was really worried that he wouldn't be anything like | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I remembered, but instantly, the minute he walked through the door, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
I thought, "Yes, I'd know him anywhere." | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
For George, this isn't just a reunion but a chance to explain. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
I left it far too long. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
There's still time though, Dad. There's still plenty of time. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
-There's always time. -Hm. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
You're very forgiving. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Yeah. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
It is heartbreaking when your own father says, you know, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
that he feels guilty about it. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
I don't think anybody should feel guilty in this situation. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
It's quite difficult when you... | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
you start something new. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
You know, other people you try and keep them happy and... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
..really you shouldn't, you should just do your own thing. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
-I'm not trying to blame anybody else. -No, no. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
It's always been down to me. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
When you think back, you just think, you know, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
"I should have done things differently." | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
When he's telling us how bad he felt about how things turned out | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
and the fact that he wasn't here for whatever reason, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
I just felt really, really sad for him that he felt like that. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
You know, I'm not angry with him at all, just happy that he's here now. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
And I think probably now is the right time for him to be in our lives. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
Sarah wants to ask her dad about the letter she wrote to him | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
when she was 15. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
Did Nan ever tell you that I tried to contact you | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
when I was a teenager? | 0:32:09 | 0:32:10 | |
-No. -No, I didn't think the message had got through. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
-No. -I spoke to her on the phone and asked her... | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
-Really? -..if you would ring me. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:19 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
And then I sent you a letter to Nan's address. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
Maybe she just thought it was better that, you know, it stayed as it was. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
Sarah, when she was a teenager, she did make a phone call | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
and did write a letter to my mother... | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
I didn't know anything about it, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
so maybe... | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
I don't know, maybe my mother was trying to protect me | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
for some reason or other, I've no idea, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
but I...I never saw the letter. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Yeah, my mother unfortunately was her own character and very strong. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
And I realise that, obviously, he never got the letter, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
he wasn't told that I'd called, by my nan. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
Obviously, she had her reasons, I'll never know what they are. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
But... | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
Relief as well because it means that he just didn't | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
reject me out of hand, which I thought he had done | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
for all these years. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
I've gained so much in such a short space of time. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Yeah, you don't know how much it means. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
What a fool I've been. And I've missed out on so much, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
but hopefully from now on... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
..we'll have a great relationship, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
er, and they've got their dad back and I've got my two daughters back. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:52 | |
I'm just so, so happy about it. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
-It's good to see your face again. -And yours. -I've missed you. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
And I've missed you too, an awful lot. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
They've all missed out on so many significant moments over the years. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
But thanks to the Family Finders, George, Claire and Sarah | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
can now look forward to sharing the rest of their lives together. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
In Newcastle, Ray Martin and his son, Alan, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
are finally close to a breakthrough in their search for Ray's mother. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
All they needed to do was see if her signature on a marriage certificate | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
matched the one on Ray's adoption papers. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
The marriage certificate came back. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
Comparing the signature of what was on the marriage certificate | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
to the adoption paper, was exactly the same. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
And that was like the eureka moment. It was like, "Yes, finally!" | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
And from that marriage certificate we have her date of birth... | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
And just, you know, it was...it was incredible. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
But the joy was mixed with sadness as Ray soon discovered | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
that his birth mother, Maureen, had died 20 years earlier. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
You tend to feel a bit down on that one | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
because they're the people which you would like to ask questions to | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
because of what happened in the past. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
But, yeah, you know, that was a... | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
That was the downer on that side. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
But while the news of his mother's death was a huge disappointment, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
Ray also discovered that he has lots of new siblings. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
I never forget the day when the social worker told me, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
she said, "I've got some good news for you." And I says, "Yeah?" | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
She said, "Yeah, I've just managed to track one of your sisters down." | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
I said, "What?" She said, "Yeah." She said, "I've been speaking to her, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
"and she's excited...she's excited as well." | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
And she said, "It's not just one or two, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
"there's six of yous in total." | 0:35:54 | 0:35:55 | |
I was gobsmacked. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
And she said, "Are you all right?" She said, "You're not driving?" | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
I said, "No, I'm not driving, I'm parked up | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
"but if I was driving, I probably would have shot through | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
"this lady's hedge and straight in and sitting in her own living room | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
"with me car." | 0:36:08 | 0:36:09 | |
It was now down to Ray to pick up the phone | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
and talk to one of the five brothers and sisters he never knew he had. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
So, I was round Alan's and I said, "Right." | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
And I just sat there for a few minutes and everybody's going... | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
They were excited, they were going, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
"Are you going to make this phone call? Come on, are you going...?" | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
I said, "Yes, I'm going to make the phone call, don't worry." | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
And I do believe at the time Alan went into the cupboard | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
and got a small glass of whiskey. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
He said, "That's just to calm your nerves." I said, "I'm fine." | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
And the thing about it is, I was fine with it. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
Picked the phone up, I was sitting on the table in the kitchen there. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
I rang it up and they were looking like this, you know. I said, "Hello?" | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
I says, "Is that you, Sylvia?" | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
She said, "Yeah." "It's Ray." "Ohhh!" | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
You can imagine what it was like, she was ecstatic. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
It was lovely, you know what I mean? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
And we talked on that phone like we've known each other for years. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
It must have been about an hour or so, or a bit more. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
We didn't bother about what the phone bill was, it's just... | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
It was brilliant, it was fantastic. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
For Ray, this was another unexpected turning point in his life. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Out of the blue, a whole new group of brothers and sisters. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
Ray's met his new siblings already, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
but today he's made the trip up to Newcastle | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
to see them all for a very special occasion. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
Oh, Hi, Richard, you all right? | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Happily, the news they had another brother has been welcomed warmly | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
by all of Ray's new siblings. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
We're just shocked, we were just happy, we was everything together. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
It was amazing, really amazing. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Hello, how are you? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
50...50-odd years is a long time. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
53, 54 years not seeing your brother for all them years. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
Richard used to always say, "One day he will be back in the family." | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
Ray may never have met his mother, but his brother always knew | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
how she felt about putting Ray up for adoption | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
at just three months old. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
Raymond was actually sent off | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
to one of me mum's best friends | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
because at the time me mum couldn't actually... | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
It wasn't so much she couldn't afford to look after him, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
it was just that ill health was preventing things. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
And Ray actually went to Violet's, which was my mum's best friend. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
And, obviously, it was a hard thing for my mum to do, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
by letting Violet keep him. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
And, obviously, it's hard for any mother to let... | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
..their kids go. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Violet couldn't have kids of her own | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
and she got attached to our Raymond when he was little. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
And, obviously, from there...from then on, I never seen Ray. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
Ray's mother had contracted tuberculosis, or TB, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
a disease which affects the lungs and respiratory system. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Highly contagious, TB for years had been one of the main causes of death | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
in Britain. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
And even at the time of Ray's birth, in 1957, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
it killed nearly 5,000 people a year. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
In the late 1950s, there were various cures and vaccines | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
in development. But at this time, the NHS was only eight years old | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
and the welfare state still in its infancy. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
One of the most common treatments, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
especially in poorer parts of the UK, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
was to be taken to a sanatorium, which was sometimes run by nuns. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
These places of rest were often in the countryside, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
where fresh air and relaxation were the order of the day. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
If this treatment didn't work, there were various surgical procedures | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
available to attempt to remove the infection from a patient's lungs. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
While his mother was in the sanatorium, a three-month-old Ray | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
and his brothers were looked after by friends. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
And then, feeling unable to cope with a young baby while in recovery, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
his mother gave him up for adoption. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
It wasn't by choice that my mum wanted to do it, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
but she had a hard decision to make, and she made it. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
She did regret it the rest of her life, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
cos, obviously, she had Ray on her mind, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
she had the other kids on her mind. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
And as time went past... | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
..she still, she had crying sessions at weekends | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
and days through the week, things like that. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
At the end of the day, whose mother wouldn't? | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Ray's oldest brother, Jim, died in a motorcycle accident | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
when he was in his 30s. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
And only months after Ray's reunion with his family, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
a second brother, Brian, died of a heart attack. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Sometimes, discovering a whole new family | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
means having to say goodbye to some of them. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
And today, Ray and his remaining brother, Richie, are planting a tree | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
in Brian's memory in the front garden of his house | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
where his widow Bev still lives. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
I think that should be all right. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
That's for you, son. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
Yeah, I think we've done a good job there. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
There you go, Bev. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:42 | |
That's for you, so... | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
..when the times you come out in the morning, you can... | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
look at the tree and, as we know, Brian used to look out the window, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
so I think this was an appropriate thing. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
The right tree, the right place... | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
-For the guy. -For a nice guy. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
We all know who he is, we're all family. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
-And, Bev...it's all yours. -Thank you. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
All right. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
You know, I think it's a good tribute. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
A good tribute to... | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
I mean, we lost other members of the family as well. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Unfortunately, I couldn't be there to see Mam, Dad, James. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
I saw Brian for a certain length of time. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
But I think, overall, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
erm, we started the journey... | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
and I think now... | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
we've got the end of the journey. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
I got what I wanted. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
It's been hard in more ways than one. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
And all I hope | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
that, if this helps others to find their siblings, | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
their family, then... | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
..for me, it's sweet, absolutely sweet. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 |