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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons.

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My mum went away and didn't come back.

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And when you do lose touch with your loved ones...

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I never saw Kathleen again.

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..finding them can take a lifetime.

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I wonder where he is, I wonder what he's doing.

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You don't really know where to begin.

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Especially when they could be anywhere, at home or abroad.

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And that's where the Family Finders come in.

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Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service.

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From international organisations...

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There's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries.

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..to genealogy detective agencies...

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When is it you last had contact with him?

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..and dedicated one-man bands.

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I like to do searches that other people can't get,

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cos it makes me feel good.

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They hunt through history...

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to bring families back together again.

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You are my biological dad.

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In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders...

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This case came from our Australian colleagues.

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..learning the tricks they use to track missing relatives

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through time...

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I'm 68 years of age, she's 75 years of age and we're just starting off.

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..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way.

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I said, "Well, this is your younger sister."

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It's a miracle.

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I was struck speechless, and I couldn't stop crying.

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It's a proud moment for Dad.

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...of finding my family.

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Every year, thousands of people throughout the UK attempt to trace

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long-lost relatives.

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Sometimes, all they have is a tiny scrap of information,

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but charities and private agencies can help track people down.

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Good afternoon, Family Tracing, how can I help?

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Family break-up can put a huge distance between parents

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and their children.

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Divorce is a really

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common reason for families to lose touch

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with one another, like in this situation with Claire.

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Her parents had separated when she was really young and they'd lost

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contact completely, and that's why she was trying to find him.

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Claire Seville is a photographer based in Birmingham.

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Come on.

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She and her husband, Chance, have a seven-year-old daughter, Dylan,

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and family life is very important to Claire.

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But she never knew her own father.

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When Dad left, I was three months old,

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Sarah was about six,

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so I've got no memories of him at all.

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I was too little to know what was going on.

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As a child, Claire always felt she was in some way responsible

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for her dad's departure.

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Mum never spoke about Dad. And if you asked about him,

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it got shut down very quickly.

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She also worried what her older sister, Sarah, thought.

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I used to think when we were growing up...

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that she thought it was my fault that he'd left because I was a new baby.

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And because he left only three months after me being born,

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I used to feel that maybe she thought it was my fault at that time.

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I didn't have... You know, nothing had been said,

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that was my own conclusion. I drew it myself growing up.

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Claire may have no memories of her father, George,

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but things are quite different for her sister, Sarah.

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Remembering back to having Dad there, I was like his shadow.

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Totally follow him anywhere and everywhere.

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I really enjoyed being around him,

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remember lots of things about him, erm...

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and just spending time with him, really.

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I always wanted to spend time with him and be with him.

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I remember one picture of him, sort of, standing in Drayton Manor,

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I think it was. I think the whole family had gone -

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all the aunts and uncles and everything -

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and it was kind of from a distance.

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And he just looked like a guy with dark hair and a moustache,

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sort of, '70s-style, but you couldn't really see his face.

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But I didn't have any other pictures other than that.

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And, quite a funny story, actually.

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Because I'd got this image of this man with black hair and a moustache,

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when I was about four, Mum took me on the bus to go into town

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and the bus driver had dark hair and a moustache.

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And I shouted at the top of my voice, "Are you my dad?"

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And my mum died, she actually died a death

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in front of a bus full of people that have just asked the bus driver

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if he was my dad. But it was cos I'd got that image

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of the moustache from the photo

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that I just came out with it.

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With their mum working, the girls spent a lot of time

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with their grandparents, Helena and George.

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When Mum and Dad split, we had very supportive grandparents.

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Grandad's always been great, you know,

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I never felt like I'd missed out at all with my dad not being around

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cos I didn't know what it would be like.

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So, sort of, Grandad was my dad to me, really.

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And all the things that you do with your dad like play football

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in the back garden and the gardening and all those kind of things,

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I did with him.

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And I didn't realise that it was strange that I was living

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with my grandparents until I started senior school

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and someone said, "Well, how come you live with your grandparents?"

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And it was always being normal to me to be around them so much.

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Cos we had, you know, grandparents that were there,

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I don't think we felt the impact so much then.

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I started to feel the impact more so when I was a teenager,

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and realising that actually my family set-up was quite different

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to my friends at school,

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and realising that most people didn't have the grandad

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that did everything that the dad normally did.

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And then starting to remember things about my dad's family.

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And I wonder what he's doing and if he remembers,

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you know, being with us ever or if we're just completely forgotten.

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The girls were happy growing up in Birmingham in the 1980s,

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a life interrupted just once by the presence of their father.

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The last time I saw my dad, I was ten, almost 11,

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and it was a school open day for my secondary school,

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so quite a bizarre set up, really,

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because he obviously came with us all to my secondary school

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to have a look round. So quite bizarre, really.

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I remember being quite proud that he was there

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and looking round the school with me

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and thinking that the other kids would just look at us

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as a normal family, yet I knew I hadn't seen him since I was six,

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so that was quite bizarre, really.

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I've only got one memory of my dad

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and it... All I can remember is the back of his head.

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He was having a shave in the bathroom

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and I remember walking past the bathroom,

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I must have only been about four,

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seeing him there, but I didn't know who he was.

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When Sarah was 15, she did try to get in touch with her father.

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I did actually write to him.

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I remember sending this letter with a stamped addressed envelope

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saying, "If you don't want anything to do with me,

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"then I can cope with that, but just send back the envelope empty

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"and I'll know," and nothing ever came back, so I was kind of left

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in limbo, not really knowing whether he cared or not.

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So that was quite difficult.

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After trying to contact their father without response,

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the girls got on with their lives.

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Both got married and had families of their own.

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But they were always left wondering

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whether their dad ever wanted to see them again.

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A few years ago, something dawned on me and it was basically,

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I don't know whether he's alive or dead.

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And that had quite a big impact.

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It does pull on the heartstrings to think that there is family out there

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that should be part of your life and should know

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what you're doing and support you and you be supporting them

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but not to have any contact with them at all.

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In many cases, people use traditional methods

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to trace long-lost relatives.

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But for Claire, the death of her grandparents left her longing

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for a connection with her family.

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In desperation, she tried to talk to her grandparents...

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beyond the grave.

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I actually went for a reading with a medium, erm...

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You know, not everyone believes in it,

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but after losing my two grandparents,

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I felt like I needed to go and, sort of, connect with the other side,

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and my dad's dad came through.

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And he said that he wished he'd done more

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and he wished that he'd pushed for us to have seen each other more,

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but please don't give up and go and find him before it's too late.

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And that really, sort of, spurred me on then

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and I was determined that I was going to find him.

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After starting with a fairly ethereal approach

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to tracing her relatives,

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Claire's now going down a more straightforward route

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and has got in touch with a family finding agency.

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These are the words that Claire sent to us.

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"I would like to find my dad.

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"He split with my mum when I was three months old,

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"came back once when I was four, but I didn't really know who he was.

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"I haven't seen him since, I don't know him at all

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"or what it looks like.

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"I feel like it's a part of who I am that's missing."

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I always wondered where my dad was and, erm...

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what his life was like now and whether he'd had more children.

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That always, sort of, fascinated me,

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that I might have half brothers and sisters somewhere.

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This is a really, really typical response

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from somebody who's trying to get back in touch with somebody

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and these are the things they want to know.

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If you imagine if you didn't know who your father was, or your mother,

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and you wouldn't have any details about them at all,

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you would want to know what they looked like,

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if they look like you, if they were like you in any way

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and things like that.

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When Claire said that she'd gone ahead and found this tracing company

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that were actually going to find him,

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I, kind of, didn't think that they would.

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I thought, "No, it probably won't happen,

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"so I'm not going to worry too much about it at this stage."

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She said to me that it was important that I found him

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because I didn't know him and I hadn't got any memories.

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I needed to meet him so I knew.

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It's just...it's a big hole in my life that I know nothing about.

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The information that Claire was able to come to us with was...

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was quite a lot really compared to...what some people have.

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She didn't think it was particularly much,

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but from our point of view, it was really helpful information.

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So Claire came to us with the name of the person

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that she was looking for, which was George Saville.

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She knew that he was about 63 years old,

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that he came originally from Yorkshire

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and that he had some brothers and sisters,

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an older sister called Susan

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and a much younger brother called John.

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The next step in finding George

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was to try and find a birth record for him.

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What we came up with was a George Saville...

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..born in Bradford in 1952.

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Now, that puts him exactly the age of the person

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that we were looking for.

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And we could also see that there was only one person

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called George Saville born in or around 1952.

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So only one person who would be the right age

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for the George Saville we were looking for.

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When we looked closer at his birth record,

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we found his mother's maiden surname, which was Edmondson.

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We cross-referenced other birth records with the surname Saville

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where the mother's maiden surname was Edmondson

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and found an older sister called Susan

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and a younger brother called John.

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So we knew that it fit, it fit the person that we were looking for,

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so we're absolutely confident we've found the right birth record.

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They sent a letter to this George Saville

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but if they're to be reunited with their father,

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they now need him to respond.

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Not everyone uses specialist search agencies to find their family.

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Many try searching themselves.

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People like Ray Martin, for example.

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Ray was born in 1957 and grew up in Newcastle

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with the people he thought were his natural parents.

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Ray loved his childhood in '60s Newcastle.

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His family were part of the mining community

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but the industry was in decline and they had to leave.

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Despite his brief time in Newcastle,

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Ray formed a strong bond with the city.

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I was only in Newcastle till the age of 11...

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..and then I left.

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At the time, I remember, I cried my eyes out.

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It was, it was very... At that time, at that age, it was very tearful.

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In those days, in 1969, the actual...

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the pits up north were closing.

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The only place which was for the coalface

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was places like Nottingham.

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You know, the decision was made, we moved down to Nottingham.

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Initially, Ray enjoyed his new life in his new home.

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Yeah, we used to have some fun and games.

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Local village kids played the other local village kids at football.

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But one night, at the age of 14, his world was turned on its head.

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There was an argument. You know, you can hear the voices downstairs

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in the kitchen and I just happened to be on the stairs at the time.

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And then, as you do when you're at that age,

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you think you want to listen, you want to be nosy and find out

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what is actually happening.

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Me auntie there says,

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"You took him on, you adopted him."

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And as soon as I heard that,

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as I was sitting on the stairs, it just...

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you know what I mean? It just, bang!

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And it was a shock. It just seemed like you were in a cocoon after that.

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You're oblivious to what was going around you,

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you just... Soon as you heard that, it was just shock

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and you were just, "What?"

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Ray had found out he was adopted in one of the worst ways imaginable,

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and life would never be the same again.

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The young Ray was left with lots of questions,

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but his adoptive mother, Violet, wouldn't give him any information

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about his background.

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She wouldn't say nothing because as far...in her eyes,

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I was her child, and that's how she looked at it.

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So you can imagine, there was no questions.

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She'd done the best and I was quite happy

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for what she was giving to me and the surrounding people around me.

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But at 16, Ray was ready to leave home.

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He joined the Army and had a family of his own.

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It wasn't until his adoptive mum, Violet, died

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that he felt able to begin the search for his birth mother.

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What I wanted to do is I wanted to meet me mother,

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me birth mother.

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Erm, and...

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I wanted to see how she felt.

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Because I know in myself that for any woman to give up a child

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for any reason, it is hard, it's got to be hard.

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So that's why I wanted to meet.

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Let her, in her own time, tell me what I wanted to know.

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All he had to go on was his mother's name,

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Maureen Robinson, from a scrap of paperwork.

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Me birth mother, Maureen Robinson,

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she had me christened...

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at Wallsend St Luke's church

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but it wasn't much to go on, really.

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You know, it was difficult and, like, a needle in a haystack.

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Ray and his wife wrote letters to lots of different Maureen Robinsons

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and did all they could to find her,

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but by his late 40s, Ray gave up hope

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and decided to stop looking for his mum.

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It's demoralising when you think about it

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because it's something which you want to close your book.

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And yet you will never get the end of that book...

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if them pages are missing.

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Ray concentrated on bringing up his own family.

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But his son, Alan, had witnessed his dad's search for his birth mother

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while he was growing up. And when he was old enough,

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Alan decided his dad shouldn't give up hope

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and restarted the search for Ray's mum.

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What I really wanted to...

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provide my dad was the answers to his questions.

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Alan was born in the digital age and had the tenacity and the know-how

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to take on the task.

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Part of it is the person that I am as well - I love a challenge.

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Erm, you know. And what more of a challenge than

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something that somebody else couldn't solve.

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What also changed was it was the age of the internet

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and various other tools that are out there.

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Despite all the years of searching,

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Alan's dad, Ray, hadn't left him with much to go on.

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The information we had was

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purely just his mother's name.

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Unfortunately, it's a very common name up in Newcastle

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and we had no date of birth, which is the tricky thing.

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So Alan decided to guess his grandmother's date of birth.

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Genes Reunited played a key part,

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many evenings were spent searching for births, marriages, deaths,

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and a lot of information was gathered.

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Lists of people's names who were potential matches.

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By searching the marriage records,

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Alan found 16 potential Maureen Robinsons

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who got married around that age in Newcastle.

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Armed with his list of potential grandmothers,

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it was time to leave Essex and head north.

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The next step was a field trip to Newcastle

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in the hope that we could go up there and find

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who else she lived with at the time and work backwards from there.

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Alan searched through the electoral rolls

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but failed to come up with any new information

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until a crucial meeting with social services finally revealed

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exactly why his father had been put up for adoption.

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I suppose for you it was quite nice to gain an answer

0:17:340:17:38

to one of the questions of why you were given up.

0:17:380:17:41

Yeah, that's right. What we were told was it wasn't just like,

0:17:410:17:44

open the door, kick the backside and that was it.

0:17:440:17:47

It wasn't like that, it was totally different.

0:17:470:17:49

It was due to illness within the family, and that's the reason why.

0:17:490:17:53

Those days and times in the '50s,

0:17:530:17:55

when a member of the family's ill,

0:17:550:17:57

-it's hard for them to keep the family going.

-Yeah.

0:17:570:18:00

Erm, and so that was the best option

0:18:000:18:04

and when I got adopted out to me birth mother's best friend.

0:18:040:18:09

Most intriguingly of all, Ray had always thought he was an only child,

0:18:090:18:13

but on the paperwork, there was a hint

0:18:130:18:15

that he might even have siblings.

0:18:150:18:17

They wasn't sure at the time how many it was, but, I think,

0:18:170:18:19

there was an indication that there was other siblings,

0:18:190:18:23

brothers and sisters.

0:18:230:18:24

And, I think, when you're on your own -

0:18:240:18:27

you've been brought up on your own as an only child -

0:18:270:18:30

and you find out that there's more than one of yous,

0:18:300:18:32

yeah, it's a certain shock to the system.

0:18:320:18:35

But a good one at that, anyway.

0:18:350:18:37

And the adoption papers held one final critical clue.

0:18:370:18:41

Ray's father's surname was Robson, a common name in Newcastle

0:18:410:18:45

but at least it was a name.

0:18:450:18:47

How I felt was, "Oh, we're getting closer."

0:18:470:18:50

"We're getting closer to trying to find a family and that."

0:18:500:18:54

Armed with this new information, Alan checked the 16 marriages

0:18:540:18:57

involving a Maureen Robinson, and one of them came good.

0:18:570:19:00

Luck has it that there was one that had Robson as the surname.

0:19:000:19:06

Erm, so that was the first...that was the first point,

0:19:060:19:10

it was let's order it, let's order that marriage certificate...

0:19:100:19:15

and see what comes back.

0:19:150:19:17

Only by matching up the signatures on the marriage certificate

0:19:170:19:20

and the adoption papers would they know for sure

0:19:200:19:23

that this was Ray's mother.

0:19:230:19:25

But for now, all they could do was wait for the certificates to arrive.

0:19:250:19:29

In Birmingham, Claire Seville's dad, George,

0:19:380:19:40

left home when she was just three months old.

0:19:400:19:43

But now, just two days after sending a letter to the man they think

0:19:440:19:48

may be Claire's father,

0:19:480:19:49

a family finding agency has received a phone call.

0:19:490:19:52

I spoke with him, asked if he believed that the letter,

0:19:530:19:57

the details related to him. He confirmed that they did.

0:19:570:20:00

I asked him if he'd ever been married,

0:20:000:20:02

he confirmed the name of the person that he'd been married to,

0:20:020:20:05

which was Claire's mum, so I knew that we definitely had

0:20:050:20:07

the right person.

0:20:070:20:09

Once I told George that it was his daughter Claire

0:20:090:20:12

who was trying to find him, he was really shocked.

0:20:120:20:14

But he did say that he was pleased,

0:20:140:20:17

and one of the first things he said to me was that he thinks

0:20:170:20:21

it's something he should have done himself a long time ago.

0:20:210:20:24

I was away on holiday when Dave from FinderMonkey phoned me.

0:20:240:20:27

He said to me, "Claire we've made contact with the George Saville."

0:20:280:20:32

And I said, "Yes." And he went through a few more details.

0:20:320:20:35

And he said,

0:20:350:20:37

"He is your dad and he knows exactly who you are

0:20:370:20:40

"and he wants to see you."

0:20:400:20:42

I just burst into tears.

0:20:430:20:45

I know the day that Claire actually got the phone call

0:20:450:20:47

to say that you had found him was a really emotional day for Claire

0:20:470:20:51

but I, kind of, felt numb, I didn't really know whether to be happy,

0:20:510:20:54

sad, indifferent. I just...just didn't know.

0:20:540:20:57

There was definitely a part of me that thought

0:20:570:20:59

he won't want to be in touch,

0:20:590:21:01

you know, he's not got in touch previously.

0:21:010:21:04

And then there's that whole fear of rejection.

0:21:040:21:07

But equally, I thought, well, maybe it was his fear of rejection

0:21:070:21:10

that he hadn't made the time to get in touch with us.

0:21:100:21:14

Sarah's mixed emotions and unanswered questions remain.

0:21:140:21:18

But for Claire, it'll be the first time she's ever seen her dad.

0:21:180:21:22

I've not even thought about what he's going to look like,

0:21:230:21:27

what he's going to sound like or anything like that

0:21:270:21:30

until Sarah discussed it with me the day and said,

0:21:300:21:32

"Oh, you know he's got a really northern accent, don't you?"

0:21:320:21:35

And I was like, "Well, no, I don't even know."

0:21:350:21:38

He's, kind of, the man without a voice and a face to me.

0:21:380:21:42

I'm not saying that there won't be a few tears off me,

0:21:420:21:44

but, I think, for Claire,

0:21:440:21:45

actually physically seeing her dad for the very first time

0:21:450:21:50

is just going to probably blow her away to be honest.

0:21:500:21:53

Sarah's always said to me growing up, "You're just like Dad,

0:21:530:21:56

"you're just like Dad.

0:21:560:21:58

"You really look like him." So,

0:21:580:22:01

you know, for me to actually meet him and see whether I do look like him

0:22:010:22:06

will be very interesting.

0:22:060:22:08

Over 100 miles to the north,

0:22:080:22:10

the arrival of the letter from the Family Finders

0:22:100:22:13

was the first news George had had of his daughters

0:22:130:22:16

in nearly three decades.

0:22:160:22:18

One morning, I had a letter through the post,

0:22:180:22:21

and it was handwritten.

0:22:210:22:25

So, when I opened it up, it was a letter from a company

0:22:250:22:28

called FinderMonkey.

0:22:280:22:29

And it basically said, "We are trying to trace a person

0:22:290:22:35

"called George Saville, who was born in 1952.

0:22:350:22:42

"He has a sister called Susan and a brother called John."

0:22:420:22:47

And so you think, "That's me."

0:22:470:22:50

For George, the letter was a bridge to a past

0:22:500:22:53

he thought he'd lost forever.

0:22:530:22:55

I met Sarah and Claire's mother in a nightclub

0:22:550:22:59

in the centre of Birmingham called the Dolce Vita.

0:22:590:23:03

I remember it well, yeah.

0:23:030:23:05

We got married in 19..71

0:23:050:23:10

and then Sarah came not long after that.

0:23:100:23:14

And then, obviously, Claire came along after, yeah.

0:23:140:23:17

When the girls were growing up in Birmingham,

0:23:180:23:21

George was a young policeman.

0:23:210:23:23

At that time, it was a really good job.

0:23:230:23:27

There was a good camaraderie between the guys.

0:23:280:23:33

But the nature of the job meant George wasn't around for his family

0:23:330:23:36

as much as he would have liked.

0:23:360:23:38

Obviously, being in the police, I worked shifts,

0:23:380:23:41

so it was... That was difficult because you're...

0:23:410:23:45

here, there and... You know, it wasn't really stable,

0:23:450:23:49

it was up and down and not there on a sort of regular basis.

0:23:490:23:54

Unfortunately, yeah, we had a break-up,

0:23:540:24:00

erm, and I decided that...

0:24:000:24:04

..I wanted to leave Birmingham, I wanted to go back to...

0:24:060:24:10

back up to Bradford where I came from.

0:24:100:24:12

Claire was only a young baby

0:24:140:24:17

and maybe Sarah was probably about six years old at the time, yeah.

0:24:170:24:22

So, yeah, very traumatic time and sad and...

0:24:220:24:26

But...

0:24:270:24:29

I couldn't...I didn't get on with the mother.

0:24:300:24:33

Things weren't very good at home.

0:24:330:24:36

Having remarried and relocated to Bradford, in Yorkshire,

0:24:360:24:39

it became difficult for George to include the offspring

0:24:390:24:42

of a troubled marriage he wanted to forget.

0:24:420:24:45

I was...

0:24:450:24:46

..quite selfish...

0:24:480:24:49

..you know?

0:24:500:24:52

I think, yeah, you...

0:24:520:24:53

..put the past behind you.

0:24:550:24:58

And I'd got another wife.

0:24:590:25:01

And I've often thought that...

0:25:030:25:05

Yeah, I should have been the one to get in touch.

0:25:070:25:09

Missed a lot, I missed so much.

0:25:170:25:19

And they have as well, yeah.

0:25:220:25:24

It's only when you start to reflect as an adult

0:25:270:25:29

of all the things that he should have been there for

0:25:290:25:32

that you realise the impact of him not being there.

0:25:320:25:35

I've always been quite a strong person, so I've always been,

0:25:350:25:37

"Well, I don't need him for anything.

0:25:370:25:39

"He's never been there, so it doesn't really matter."

0:25:390:25:42

But the older I get and the more I look at things and think,

0:25:420:25:44

"Well, he wasn't there when I got married,

0:25:440:25:46

"he wasn't there at my graduation,

0:25:460:25:48

"he wasn't there at the boys' christenings," you know,

0:25:480:25:51

that kind of thing, you start to realise then that, actually,

0:25:510:25:54

yes, I've missed out on having him around,

0:25:540:25:57

but he's missed out on loads by not being here.

0:25:570:26:00

Everybody has missed an awful lot, everybody.

0:26:040:26:08

Yeah, both families.

0:26:100:26:12

It could have been...

0:26:120:26:14

a lot different, a lot better, yeah.

0:26:140:26:16

So many special family moments may have been missed,

0:26:210:26:24

but now it's time to make new memories.

0:26:240:26:26

Today, Sarah and Claire are on their way to see a father

0:26:300:26:34

who hasn't been part of their lives for 33 years.

0:26:340:26:37

Thank you.

0:26:370:26:38

With such a momentous reunion, inevitably there are mixed emotions

0:26:380:26:42

and thoughts swirling around their heads.

0:26:420:26:45

For me, initially, it's...how does Dad look now?

0:26:450:26:50

You know, do I remember him, are my memories as good

0:26:500:26:52

as I think they are?

0:26:520:26:54

For me, just meeting him.

0:26:540:26:57

The biggest thing for me now is just to actually meet my dad properly

0:26:570:27:01

for the first time, knowing who he is,

0:27:010:27:03

knowing that he's my dad and seeing if we can build from this.

0:27:030:27:09

There's an awful lot to catch up with from my side and theirs, so...

0:27:090:27:15

..be just good to find out how things are at the moment...

0:27:170:27:21

..and then slowly go back,

0:27:230:27:27

go back in time...

0:27:270:27:28

..and...yeah, learn all about them

0:27:290:27:33

and what their lives have been like.

0:27:330:27:37

For you, I think, with the rejection -

0:27:370:27:41

when you wrote the letter - that you felt then,

0:27:410:27:43

I know that it hurt you at that point.

0:27:430:27:46

For whatever reason, he didn't get back to you.

0:27:460:27:48

And I think for you, you put it to bed then.

0:27:480:27:51

Yeah, I did. I absolutely did.

0:27:510:27:54

-And I think that's what I thought the result would be...

-Yeah.

0:27:540:27:57

..when you said that they had found him.

0:27:570:27:59

-I thought we were going to have the same thing again.

-Yeah.

0:27:590:28:03

It's...

0:28:030:28:05

Yeah, it's quite a big call to realise the fact that,

0:28:050:28:09

yeah, I've got two daughters, I've always known about them...

0:28:090:28:12

..but now I've got three grandchildren

0:28:140:28:18

and two son-in-law, two son-in-laws

0:28:180:28:23

all...all to get to know, if...if they want to know me.

0:28:230:28:29

George and his daughters are just minutes away

0:28:320:28:35

from fixing three decades of absence and heartache.

0:28:350:28:38

I am extremely nervous, you know,

0:28:390:28:43

I admit that. I'm just...

0:28:430:28:46

I don't know what to expect and... Yeah.

0:28:480:28:51

But I'm looking forward to it, I'm sure it's going to be

0:28:540:28:57

really positive, yeah.

0:28:570:28:59

-We've got each other.

-We have.

-And we both have the same feelings.

-Yeah.

0:29:000:29:05

Oh, dear me, here we go.

0:29:100:29:12

Have a deep breath.

0:29:160:29:18

I've gone all hot.

0:29:200:29:23

With just moments to go to the reunion,

0:29:230:29:25

soon Claire and Sarah will see their father again.

0:29:250:29:29

Understandably, feelings are running high.

0:29:290:29:32

CLAIRE CRIES SOFTLY

0:29:360:29:39

It's all right, don't worry.

0:29:390:29:40

CLAIRE SOBS

0:29:490:29:52

So emotional. I always knew that I'd know them,

0:30:000:30:04

I knew that I'd recognise them again, even after all that time.

0:30:040:30:09

-Hello, Dad. You all right?

-Come on.

0:30:110:30:14

-It's really good to see you.

-Hm, yeah.

0:30:150:30:18

-I'm crying all over you.

-It doesn't matter.

0:30:180:30:20

I tried to keep it together, but I failed miserably.

0:30:200:30:23

But I'm just so happy to finally see him and know what he looks like.

0:30:230:30:27

-Yeah, it's good to see you.

-And you, yeah.

-It's really good.

0:30:270:30:32

Yeah, both of you.

0:30:320:30:33

Oh, dear.

0:30:350:30:37

-It's been too long.

-Too long.

0:30:370:30:38

I was really worried that he wouldn't be anything like

0:30:380:30:41

I remembered, but instantly, the minute he walked through the door,

0:30:410:30:44

I thought, "Yes, I'd know him anywhere."

0:30:440:30:46

For George, this isn't just a reunion but a chance to explain.

0:30:460:30:51

I left it far too long.

0:30:510:30:53

There's still time though, Dad. There's still plenty of time.

0:30:530:30:57

-There's always time.

-Hm.

0:30:590:31:01

You're very forgiving.

0:31:020:31:05

Yeah.

0:31:050:31:06

It is heartbreaking when your own father says, you know,

0:31:060:31:09

that he feels guilty about it.

0:31:090:31:10

I don't think anybody should feel guilty in this situation.

0:31:100:31:14

It's quite difficult when you...

0:31:140:31:17

you start something new.

0:31:170:31:19

You know, other people you try and keep them happy and...

0:31:190:31:23

..really you shouldn't, you should just do your own thing.

0:31:250:31:28

-I'm not trying to blame anybody else.

-No, no.

0:31:290:31:33

It's always been down to me.

0:31:330:31:35

When you think back, you just think, you know,

0:31:350:31:37

"I should have done things differently."

0:31:370:31:40

When he's telling us how bad he felt about how things turned out

0:31:400:31:44

and the fact that he wasn't here for whatever reason,

0:31:440:31:48

I just felt really, really sad for him that he felt like that.

0:31:480:31:53

You know, I'm not angry with him at all, just happy that he's here now.

0:31:530:31:57

And I think probably now is the right time for him to be in our lives.

0:31:570:32:01

Sarah wants to ask her dad about the letter she wrote to him

0:32:010:32:04

when she was 15.

0:32:040:32:07

Did Nan ever tell you that I tried to contact you

0:32:070:32:09

when I was a teenager?

0:32:090:32:10

-No.

-No, I didn't think the message had got through.

0:32:120:32:15

-No.

-I spoke to her on the phone and asked her...

0:32:150:32:18

-Really?

-..if you would ring me.

0:32:180:32:19

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:32:190:32:21

And then I sent you a letter to Nan's address.

0:32:210:32:24

Maybe she just thought it was better that, you know, it stayed as it was.

0:32:290:32:33

Sarah, when she was a teenager, she did make a phone call

0:32:340:32:39

and did write a letter to my mother...

0:32:390:32:42

I didn't know anything about it,

0:32:450:32:47

so maybe...

0:32:470:32:49

I don't know, maybe my mother was trying to protect me

0:32:500:32:55

for some reason or other, I've no idea,

0:32:550:32:58

but I...I never saw the letter.

0:32:580:33:01

Yeah, my mother unfortunately was her own character and very strong.

0:33:010:33:06

And I realise that, obviously, he never got the letter,

0:33:060:33:09

he wasn't told that I'd called, by my nan.

0:33:090:33:13

Obviously, she had her reasons, I'll never know what they are.

0:33:130:33:16

But...

0:33:160:33:18

Relief as well because it means that he just didn't

0:33:180:33:21

reject me out of hand, which I thought he had done

0:33:210:33:23

for all these years.

0:33:230:33:25

I've gained so much in such a short space of time.

0:33:250:33:29

Yeah, you don't know how much it means.

0:33:320:33:34

What a fool I've been. And I've missed out on so much,

0:33:360:33:40

but hopefully from now on...

0:33:400:33:42

..we'll have a great relationship,

0:33:440:33:46

er, and they've got their dad back and I've got my two daughters back.

0:33:460:33:52

I'm just so, so happy about it.

0:33:520:33:55

-It's good to see your face again.

-And yours.

-I've missed you.

0:34:000:34:04

And I've missed you too, an awful lot.

0:34:040:34:08

They've all missed out on so many significant moments over the years.

0:34:080:34:12

But thanks to the Family Finders, George, Claire and Sarah

0:34:130:34:17

can now look forward to sharing the rest of their lives together.

0:34:170:34:20

In Newcastle, Ray Martin and his son, Alan,

0:34:300:34:33

are finally close to a breakthrough in their search for Ray's mother.

0:34:330:34:37

All they needed to do was see if her signature on a marriage certificate

0:34:380:34:42

matched the one on Ray's adoption papers.

0:34:420:34:45

The marriage certificate came back.

0:34:450:34:47

Comparing the signature of what was on the marriage certificate

0:34:470:34:50

to the adoption paper, was exactly the same.

0:34:500:34:53

And that was like the eureka moment. It was like, "Yes, finally!"

0:34:530:34:57

And from that marriage certificate we have her date of birth...

0:34:570:35:00

And just, you know, it was...it was incredible.

0:35:000:35:04

But the joy was mixed with sadness as Ray soon discovered

0:35:040:35:08

that his birth mother, Maureen, had died 20 years earlier.

0:35:080:35:11

You tend to feel a bit down on that one

0:35:110:35:15

because they're the people which you would like to ask questions to

0:35:150:35:18

because of what happened in the past.

0:35:180:35:21

But, yeah, you know, that was a...

0:35:210:35:23

That was the downer on that side.

0:35:230:35:25

But while the news of his mother's death was a huge disappointment,

0:35:250:35:29

Ray also discovered that he has lots of new siblings.

0:35:290:35:33

I never forget the day when the social worker told me,

0:35:330:35:37

she said, "I've got some good news for you." And I says, "Yeah?"

0:35:370:35:41

She said, "Yeah, I've just managed to track one of your sisters down."

0:35:410:35:45

I said, "What?" She said, "Yeah." She said, "I've been speaking to her,

0:35:450:35:48

"and she's excited...she's excited as well."

0:35:480:35:51

And she said, "It's not just one or two,

0:35:510:35:54

"there's six of yous in total."

0:35:540:35:55

I was gobsmacked.

0:35:550:35:58

And she said, "Are you all right?" She said, "You're not driving?"

0:35:580:36:00

I said, "No, I'm not driving, I'm parked up

0:36:000:36:03

"but if I was driving, I probably would have shot through

0:36:030:36:05

"this lady's hedge and straight in and sitting in her own living room

0:36:050:36:08

"with me car."

0:36:080:36:09

It was now down to Ray to pick up the phone

0:36:090:36:11

and talk to one of the five brothers and sisters he never knew he had.

0:36:110:36:16

So, I was round Alan's and I said, "Right."

0:36:160:36:19

And I just sat there for a few minutes and everybody's going...

0:36:190:36:21

They were excited, they were going,

0:36:210:36:23

"Are you going to make this phone call? Come on, are you going...?"

0:36:230:36:26

I said, "Yes, I'm going to make the phone call, don't worry."

0:36:260:36:28

And I do believe at the time Alan went into the cupboard

0:36:280:36:31

and got a small glass of whiskey.

0:36:310:36:33

He said, "That's just to calm your nerves." I said, "I'm fine."

0:36:330:36:36

And the thing about it is, I was fine with it.

0:36:360:36:40

Picked the phone up, I was sitting on the table in the kitchen there.

0:36:400:36:43

I rang it up and they were looking like this, you know. I said, "Hello?"

0:36:430:36:47

I says, "Is that you, Sylvia?"

0:36:470:36:50

She said, "Yeah." "It's Ray." "Ohhh!"

0:36:500:36:52

You can imagine what it was like, she was ecstatic.

0:36:520:36:55

It was lovely, you know what I mean?

0:36:550:36:57

And we talked on that phone like we've known each other for years.

0:36:570:37:00

It must have been about an hour or so, or a bit more.

0:37:000:37:04

We didn't bother about what the phone bill was, it's just...

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It was brilliant, it was fantastic.

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For Ray, this was another unexpected turning point in his life.

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Out of the blue, a whole new group of brothers and sisters.

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Ray's met his new siblings already,

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but today he's made the trip up to Newcastle

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to see them all for a very special occasion.

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Oh, Hi, Richard, you all right?

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Happily, the news they had another brother has been welcomed warmly

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by all of Ray's new siblings.

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We're just shocked, we were just happy, we was everything together.

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It was amazing, really amazing.

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Hello, how are you?

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50...50-odd years is a long time.

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53, 54 years not seeing your brother for all them years.

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Richard used to always say, "One day he will be back in the family."

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Ray may never have met his mother, but his brother always knew

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how she felt about putting Ray up for adoption

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at just three months old.

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Raymond was actually sent off

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to one of me mum's best friends

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because at the time me mum couldn't actually...

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It wasn't so much she couldn't afford to look after him,

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it was just that ill health was preventing things.

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And Ray actually went to Violet's, which was my mum's best friend.

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And, obviously, it was a hard thing for my mum to do,

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by letting Violet keep him.

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And, obviously, it's hard for any mother to let...

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..their kids go.

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Violet couldn't have kids of her own

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and she got attached to our Raymond when he was little.

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And, obviously, from there...from then on, I never seen Ray.

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Ray's mother had contracted tuberculosis, or TB,

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a disease which affects the lungs and respiratory system.

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Highly contagious, TB for years had been one of the main causes of death

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in Britain.

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And even at the time of Ray's birth, in 1957,

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it killed nearly 5,000 people a year.

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In the late 1950s, there were various cures and vaccines

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in development. But at this time, the NHS was only eight years old

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and the welfare state still in its infancy.

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One of the most common treatments,

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especially in poorer parts of the UK,

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was to be taken to a sanatorium, which was sometimes run by nuns.

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These places of rest were often in the countryside,

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where fresh air and relaxation were the order of the day.

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If this treatment didn't work, there were various surgical procedures

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available to attempt to remove the infection from a patient's lungs.

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While his mother was in the sanatorium, a three-month-old Ray

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and his brothers were looked after by friends.

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And then, feeling unable to cope with a young baby while in recovery,

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his mother gave him up for adoption.

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It wasn't by choice that my mum wanted to do it,

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but she had a hard decision to make, and she made it.

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She did regret it the rest of her life,

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cos, obviously, she had Ray on her mind,

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she had the other kids on her mind.

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And as time went past...

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..she still, she had crying sessions at weekends

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and days through the week, things like that.

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At the end of the day, whose mother wouldn't?

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Ray's oldest brother, Jim, died in a motorcycle accident

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when he was in his 30s.

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And only months after Ray's reunion with his family,

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a second brother, Brian, died of a heart attack.

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Sometimes, discovering a whole new family

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means having to say goodbye to some of them.

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And today, Ray and his remaining brother, Richie, are planting a tree

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in Brian's memory in the front garden of his house

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where his widow Bev still lives.

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I think that should be all right.

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That's for you, son.

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Yeah, I think we've done a good job there.

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There you go, Bev.

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That's for you, so...

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..when the times you come out in the morning, you can...

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look at the tree and, as we know, Brian used to look out the window,

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so I think this was an appropriate thing.

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The right tree, the right place...

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-For the guy.

-For a nice guy.

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We all know who he is, we're all family.

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-And, Bev...it's all yours.

-Thank you.

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All right.

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You know, I think it's a good tribute.

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A good tribute to...

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I mean, we lost other members of the family as well.

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Unfortunately, I couldn't be there to see Mam, Dad, James.

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I saw Brian for a certain length of time.

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But I think, overall,

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erm, we started the journey...

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and I think now...

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we've got the end of the journey.

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I got what I wanted.

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It's been hard in more ways than one.

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And all I hope

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that, if this helps others to find their siblings,

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their family, then...

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..for me, it's sweet, absolutely sweet.

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