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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
My mum went away and didn't come back. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
And when you do lose touch with your loved ones... | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
I never saw Kathleen again. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
..finding them can take a lifetime... | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
I wonder where he is, I wonder what he's doing. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
You don't really know where to begin. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
..especially when they could be anywhere, at home or abroad. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
And that's where the Family Finders come in. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
From international organisations... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
There's never been a day when we have never had new inquiries. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
..to genealogy detective agencies... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
When is it you last had contact with him? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..and dedicated one-man bands... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I like to do the searches other people can't get | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
because it makes me feel good. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
..they hunt through history | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
to bring families back together again. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
You are my biological dad. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
This case came from our Australian colleagues. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Learning the tricks they use to track | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
missing relatives through time... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm 68 years of age, she's 75 years of age and we're just starting off! | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
I said, "Well, this is your younger sister." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
It's a miracle! | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I was struck speechless and I couldn't stop crying. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It's a proud moment...for Dad. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
That was the start of finding my family. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Every year, thousands of people across the UK | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
begin searching for their families. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
And just occasionally, they find out that while they're | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
looking for their relatives, those same relatives are looking for them. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
That's what happened to 65-year-old Mark Kerr, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
who was desperate to find his father, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
but a stroke of luck led him to someone just as interesting. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
Mark was born to a single mother in Paddington, West London, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
four years after the end of World War II. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
25th of December, 1949. A Christmas Day baby. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
My dad wasn't about at the time, I suppose, and... | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
But like I said, back then, it was... | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
You didn't keep children out of wedlock. You was pushed away. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
As a very young boy, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
Mark was sent to the Maybourne Children's Home in Sydenham. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
It wasn't an orphanage as such because we all had parents, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
so I suppose it was a children's home where children was put because their | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
mums and dads weren't in a position to look after them at the time. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
You hear so many stories back in the '50s and '60s, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
but I consider myself pretty lucky to have ended up in that house. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Reluctant to completely give him up to the care system, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Mark's parents, Solly and Peggy, used to visit him regularly. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
So every second week, my mum would come | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
and she'd bring a big food parcel and sweets and comics. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
My dad used to come and see me every second Tuesday | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and I distinctly remember sitting on these massive great steps outside | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
and sometimes, he didn't turn up and I used to get so upset, I really did. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
It was heartbreaking, it really was, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
because you look forward to this every second week. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
Mark's dad slowly faded from his life and then, aged around ten, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
he went back to live with his mum and her new partner. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
He was a hard taskmaster, he really was. He didn't like me... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
and he made known he didn't like me. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
And he... The belt would come off and he, you know... | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
I was very weary of him. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Mum picked a bad one there. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
And that's when I think I went off the straight and narrow. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
It's just that I used to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
got in with the wrong crowd and I think we was caught breaking | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
and entering into a shop, and, of course, back in them days, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
when you got caught, you didn't get no second chances. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
I remember sitting in the cell and literally cried to my mum, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
"Get me out of here, get me out!" | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
And I knew I was going to borstal. I knew I was going away for... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
I was sentenced for three years, but I think I only did about 18 months | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
because I must have just knuckled in, done my time and come out. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
By the time of his release, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Mark's mum had set up home with another man, Bob. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
He was a lovely chap. He idolised her. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
He really thought the world of her. Treated me very, very well. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Never once raised a hand, once took his belt off. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
He used to run a butcher's shop down the Harrow Road. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
And I remember moving in there | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
and I must have gone to school for about a year, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
but then I went down into the butcher's shop | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
working in the butcher's shop. I was only about 14 or 15, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
because back then, you left school fairly young. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
And I enjoyed it. I loved the butcher's shop. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
But then, tragedy struck the new family unit. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
Unfortunately, then, just as things was going on, Mum got meningitis, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
I think it was, yeah, meningitis, rushed to hospital and passed on. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
When my mum died, I would have been 16, 17. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
I think Bob took it fairly bad. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
He just threw himself into his work. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
We plodded on for a couple of months and I just said to him one day, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
"Oh, I've been down Oxford, I'm joining the Army." | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
But Mark continued to see Bob when he could. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I went to see him a few times when I was on leave from the Army | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
because I didn't have no family, as such. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
And then, unfortunately, we drifted apart. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Christmas times and Easter and stuff like that, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
when all the other chaps, all of them going to their mums and dads, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
brothers, sisters, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
I used to volunteer and do the guard duty for them. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Yearning for a sense of family, Mark decided to trace his | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
biological father, Solly Levene, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
whose details he had on his birth certificate. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Like I say, I was born on the 25th of December, 1949, Mark Joseph. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
Father, Solly Levene, a taxi driver working out of London Bridge. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
I remember Solly used to come and see me every other Tuesday at Maybourne. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
He used to come up in a Vauxhall VX4/90. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
We used to go out and about, sometimes to the cinema, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
sometimes down to the Crystal Palace. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
Crystal Palace Park was just down the road from us at Maybourne. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
I remember him, he was always a very smart chap. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
Always wore a collar and tie, black hair, Brylcreem. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
And, you know, unfortunately, I'm sorry I lost touch with him. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
I never asked Mum about Solly. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
I never asked her about my dad and she very rarely spoke of him. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Because whenever I used to see him, I used to see my dad separate | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
and my mum separate, so I would assume there was a bit of | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
ill-feeling between the two of them, that I'd never see them together. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I did try and trace him in the Army. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
There was a family liaison officer, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
he heard about my family and everything. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Thanks to all the information Mark had on his father, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
it didn't take the Army family liaison officer long to trace him. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
But the moment of first contact didn't go quite as Mark had hoped. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
He gave me a telephone with a phone number, I dialled the number, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
a lady answered, "Oh, hello, can I speak to Solly, please?" | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
"Yes, who's talking?" And I said, "It's Mark." | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
And she was insistent. "Just Mark, his son." | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Phone went dead. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
Because back in them days, when a phone went dead, it was dead. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
There was none of this, "Ooh, I've lost you, I've lost you, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
"where are you?" It was dead, that was the end of it. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Rejected, Mark gave up hope of tracing any family. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
But little did he know, someone else was looking for him. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Every year, more and more people set about trying to find | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
family members they've lost contact with. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Numerous organisations are now available to help | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
this difficult and sensitive process. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
After 30 years in the police force, Antony Marr set up | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
a genealogy consultancy helping families reunite across the country. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
Many people come to Antony after attempting | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
a search on their own without success. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
So a lot of people get so far and get stuck and get frustrated, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
and we try and help them and get past that point, and show them | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
where they might want to go and look next. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
One person who sought Antony's help | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
is 72-year-old Wendy Brightwell from Buckinghamshire. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
I wanted to find out more about my dad, that was the paramount thing. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
Wendy grew up in Middlesex with her brother Rod and sister Margaret, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
but theirs was an unusual family set-up | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
because, as well as Dad, there were two ladies of the household. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
My mum had the job, when she was a teenager, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
of going to the dairy to get the milk and, of course, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
she used to get the milk in a churn, and my father worked in the dairy. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
Before Wendy was born, her family relocated | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
and her father invited her mother to come with them | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
and work as a nanny to the children he already had, Rod and Margaret. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
When they decided to move away to Hayes, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
I understand that my mother went with them. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
Because by this time, she was like a baby-sitter, so... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
And I think she was about... I think she was in her early 20s. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
But it was soon clear that Wendy's mother | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
was more than just a baby-sitter. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
So by 1942, I arrived on the scene. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
Despite already being married to a woman called Lil, Wendy's father | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
suggested that the young Wendy and her mother join the family home. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
As far as I remember, basically, we all lived together. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
I do remember... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
It was wartime. Rodney and Margaret and myself, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
we all lived with my mother, my father and Auntie Lil. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
My Auntie Lil was obviously the mother of Rodney and Margret | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
and, really, my father's wife, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
but I've always called her Auntie Lil. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Despite the unusual arrangement of one father and two mothers, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
things seemed to work. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
We lived very happily together | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
and I never really thought anything about it, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
and I don't think Rod did either, or Margaret. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
I mean, we just lived as one big family. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
For Rod and me, it was almost like having two mums | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
because they looked after both of us. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Wendy's father passed away when she was just nine, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
after which, the unconventional arrangement broke down. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
Obviously, with my father not there, then, you know, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
my mother had to then find something to just look after me, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
so she moved to a place in Harrow, near Harrow, a place called Kenton. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
It was at this point Wendy lost contact with Rodney and Margaret. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
There was no way, really, that we could keep in touch | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
because people didn't have telephones, you know, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
no Internet or anything, no mobiles or anything like that. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
It wasn't until Wendy was a little more grown-up that she | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
realised just how unusual her family make-up had been | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
and it came as a real shock to her. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
When I got to about...probably about 10, 11, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
it suddenly occurred... I mean, my dad had died by them. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
And it suddenly occurred to me that I didn't have the same surname. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
And up till then, it hadn't twigged that | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
I wasn't actually a legitimate child, you know. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:32 | |
And it always felt like a bit of a...a stigma, really. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
And also, I wondered if I was really wanted. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
Years later, Wendy got married and had three children of her own. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
That's when I really started to search and think to myself, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
"One of these days, when I've got the time, when the kids have grown up, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
"I'm going to start looking and seeing if I can find out", | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
to put it right in my mind that I was actually wanted. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
Desperate to find out what had happened to her old family, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Wendy turned to family finder, Antony Marr. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
She wanted to know more about her father, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
and of course, he wasn't there to ask any more. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
And the more I spoke to her, and I gave her advice about where | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
she wanted to look, where she might think about looking, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
how to find out more information, and she was very happy with that | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
and she went away, then a little while later came back and | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
asked me to do the research for her and see where we could get to. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
I started to look at Wendy's father's history | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
and I looked at his World War I service, and I used the records | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
available online on Ancestry and other websites to find the records | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
that exist in the National Archives about his World War I service. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a service record for him because | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
a huge number of those were destroyed in World War II | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
by German bombing. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
Undeterred, Antony dug out what he could on Wendy's father | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
and pulled in some interesting leads. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
The first stage with Antony, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
he found out about the service of my dad. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
He also found out where the gravestone was | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
and, amazingly, it was not far from where I live. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
So I was able to go there and pay my respects, which was very emotional. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:18 | |
It was just incredible. I was so pleased I could do that. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Meanwhile, Antony had been following a new line of inquiry. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
It soon became apparent there was much more to know about her | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
brothers and sisters that she'd lost touch with | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
and that was very quickly where the focus of the investigation went. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
I wanted to find out if Margaret and Rodney were still alive | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
because I knew that time was marching on. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
I knew they were both older than me and I thought, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
"If I don't do something about it, you know, it's going to be too late." | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
But I was frightened that they would actually want to see me | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
and want to talk to me. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
Because at that point, I still felt that I was like the outsider | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
and I didn't, you know, I felt very nervous. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
I thought, "Well, supposing when I do find them, they'll say, well, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:08 | |
"they don't want to talk to..." You know, they won't want to talk to me. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
With no way of knowing what he might discover, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Wendy asked Antony to carry on digging. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Antony soon discovered that Margaret had passed away, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
but he put together family trees for both Wendy and her brother Rod. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
Rod's family tree led Antony to his son Neil | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
and some more detective work revealed that Neil's phone number | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
was actually available on Directory Enquiries. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
Once I'd got all the information I needed, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
I put it together in a report and arranged to go and see Wendy. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
It is a very, very exciting situation to be in, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
but it's also quite tense | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
because I didn't know for certain that Rod was still alive. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
I knew his son seemed to be alive and living locally, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
but the information is always that little bit extra you don't know. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
So we arranged to meet. I went and saw Wendy, | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
gave her the report, gave the information I had | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
and we talked about how she might then make contact with Rod's son. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
If you're searching for family members by yourself, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Directory Enquires can be a very effective way of finding people, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
once you've done some initial family research. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
The tricky thing is, you will need to know what town or city | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
the person you're looking for lives in. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
If you don't have these details, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
there are various subscription websites which allow you to | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
search Directory Enquiry records without an address. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Of course, there's then the question of how best to make | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
an approach, once you've found the telephone number. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Antony said that I could either phone, or he would phone for me, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
and I thought, "No, no, I've got to do this myself." | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
So I rang Neil...Rod's son, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
and I was very nervous. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
I didn't know what his reaction would be. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
I didn't know if he knew about me. He probably didn't. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
So I... He answered, and I said, "My name was Wendy." | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
I said, "Please don't put the phone down", | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
because I thought he might've put the phone down. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
I said, "I think we're vaguely related." | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
And I said, "Is your dad still alive?" | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
And he said, "Yes, he is." | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
And, I said, "Well, do you think you could ring him for me | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
"and see if he would like to talk to me?" | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
My son phones up and said, "I've had your half-sister on the phone | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
"and she wonders if she can phone you." | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
I said, "Well, of course she can." I wanted to find her, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
but I could never find her because I didn't know her surname. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Wendy's sudden departure from family life was | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
a great shock to Rod at the time. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
The next thing I know is Wendy's not there and her mum's not there. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
And...at that age, you don't say to your mum, "What's going on?" | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
She wouldn't have told me anyway, I don't suppose. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
So I waited till the next day | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
and then I rang and, you know, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
we spoke to each other for the first time, so it was just amazing. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
Obviously, relieved to hear that she was OK. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
I was very surprised that she found me cos I didn't think she... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
You know, I thought to myself, "She's got to be in her 70s. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
"What's she want to look for me for?" | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
He said, "I knew I had a sister... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
"I knew I had a sister, Wendy, out there | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
"but I didn't know how to find her." | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
And the reason he didn't know how to find me was, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
of course, we had different surnames. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
His surname was different to mine | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
and he couldn't remember what my surname was. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
All these years, Rod hadn't known how to even begin looking for Wendy, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
but being reunited with her has brought so much to his life. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Apart from my son, she's the only relative I've got, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
Wendy, I've got nobody else. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
They're all dead...you know. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Wendy and Rod have met up for the first time recently, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
but there's still one big thing missing from Wendy's life. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
What I would have loved to have had would be a photo of me | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
with my dad or... | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
That would have been brilliant. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
But I didn't have anything like that. I don't know if Rod has and... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
..maybe a photo of us all out together, you know. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
We were a family unit, after all. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
It would have been nice to see something like that, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
just to prove to everybody that... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
..spite of my birth | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
and everything like that, we were just a unit and we were happy. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
They're getting together again in a few days | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and Rod has promised he'll bring what family photos he has. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
So, Wendy will have to wait until then to find out if he does | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
hold the proof of the happy childhood she so fondly remembers. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Mark Kerr was born Mark Levene to a single mother in 1950s London | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
and spent his childhood in care and Approved School. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Mark's search for his family began initially with his father, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Solly, but it hit a brick wall when the only lead he had hung up on him. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
Phone went dead. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:21 | |
But little did Mark know that, all along, another woman was | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
conducting an investigation into her identity, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
which would ultimately hold the key to Mark's search. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Margaret Teague was born in the '40s and grew up in post-war | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
south-east London as an only child. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
I did have a very good childhood. I can never complain about that. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
My parents were absolutely wonderful. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
Despite being well cared for, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
it was in her teenage years Margaret felt something wasn't quite right. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
People used to say, "They your mum and dad?" "Yes." | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
"Oh, aren't they tiny?!" | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
It just didn't look right because I was really tall. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
When Margaret was 17, she overheard her aunt talking to her mother. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
I remember her saying, "Oh, that daughter of yours, she's so... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
"Why on earth did we ever have her because she's the black sheep of | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
"the family." And they didn't think that I'd heard it | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
and I got quite upset. I walked round the block of flats, you know. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
I thought, "Why did they call me the black sheep of the family?" | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Then I thought to myself, "Well, perhaps I'm not theirs." | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
Pushing questions to the back of her mind, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Margaret did her best to get on with her life. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
I worked in the bank in the Foreign Exchange in London, in Moorgate. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
Then, one day, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
a friend again commented on the lack of Margaret's family resemblance. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
She said to me one day, "Your father definitely doesn't look like you. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
"You definitely must have been adopted." | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
By then, her mother had passed away, so Margaret asked her father, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
the man she called Mike, directly about her possible adoption. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
Mike never told me anything. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
When I used to say to Mike, "Is it true that I was adopted?" | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
"No, no, no." He wouldn't... He'd say, "You're just being silly." | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Despite her family telling her otherwise, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
Margaret was convinced she was adopted, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
so she searched for her birth certificate at Somerset House, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
where all adoption records were kept. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
I said, "I'd like to see if I can get a full certificate." | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
"Yes, down there, all the Ts are down there." | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
And I got this book out and I went through page and page and page, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
and I couldn't find me. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
So, I went back, I said, "I'm not in this era anywhere." | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
"Down there, you're obviously adopted. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
"Just down there, find the Ts." | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
I went through June, July, August, September, October - | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
couldn't find anything. Then I went to 21st October and there I was... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
adopted. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
There was never any adoption papers. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
Nobody could find any adoption papers. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
I felt awful. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
I got a lump in my throat and I wanted to phone up Mike | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
and scream down the phone, but I didn't. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Armed with this knowledge, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
she tried to broach the subject again with her dad Mike. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
He said, "I wish you would be quiet about these things | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
"because whoever told you this, it's just utter rubbish." | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Of course, I'm thinking, "Why have I been told lies all my life? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
"I'm not going to have it now." | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
It felt that, all my life, I was rejected. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
Getting nowhere at home, Margaret turned to her aunt. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
I told her that I'd got my birth certificate. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
"Oh, my goodness," she said, "I always knew. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
"I always knew but I could never get the gist of it." | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Her aunt then recounted a series of revelations. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
My foster mum worked in Woolworths in Bond Street | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
and my real mum worked as a seamstress off Bond Street. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Margaret's birth mother | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
and the woman who would eventually adopt her became close friends. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
She got married in a red velvet dress and... | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
..my real mum made her dress. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
When her biological mother fell pregnant with Margaret | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
she wasn't married, which held a great stigma at that time, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
so she chose to give Margaret away. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
Her mum's close friend couldn't have children, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
so was the obvious choice to adopt her. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
After revealing all this to Margaret, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
her aunt then dropped another bombshell. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
"You've got a brother somewhere, I can't remember where he was, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
"but he's somewhere." And he was eight or nine years younger than me. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
I was determined to see if it was true | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
cos I always wanted to have a brother or sister. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
Margaret spent decades unsuccessfully | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
searching for her brother. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
Then, in 2005, she enlisted the help of an independent family finder | 0:23:48 | 0:23:54 | |
who, after five years of research, finally made a breakthrough. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
This is the letter that she sent me telling me all about my mother. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
She trained to be a dressmaker at Corots in Bond Street | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
and was a first-class dressmaker working in Richmond. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
The family finder also confirmed her birth mother Peggy | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
did indeed have a son, Margaret's brother, Mark. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
In the March quarter of 1950, Peggy had a son | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
and he was called Mark J Levene. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
It did make me feel better that I've actually found it all out and, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
although I'm a mature lady, I can now know the actual truth and not | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
walk around like I was living a lie all my life, like, "Who am I really?" | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
With Margaret's consent, the family finder sent a letter to Mark, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
the brother she'd never met. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
"Dear Mr Kerr, I'm sorry to intrude on your time, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
"but I'm hoping that you may be able to assist me with my search. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
"I'm trying to chase a Mr Mark Joseph Levene, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
"who later took the surname Kerr. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
"As my search is of a sensitive nature, I would be grateful | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
"if you could let me know whether you are the person I'm looking for." | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
And I sent the letter back confirming who I was. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
The family finder then gave Mark a call. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
She said, "Are you sitting down?" I said, "Yes." | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
She said, "Are you on your own?" | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
I said, "No, I've got one of my daughters with me." | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
And she actually said, "Look, you've got a sister." | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
And I just... I just couldn't believe it. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
I said, "No." She said, "You have got a sister, Mark." And I just... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:32 | |
Well, I couldn't talk to her. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
I had to hand the phone over to my daughter. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
Mark and Margaret then arranged to meet for the first time in their lives. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
He said, "I've got a daughter that lives in Guildford, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
"is that too far?" So, I said we'd meet there. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
I just went there and I sat at Guildford railway station | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
waiting for this train to come in from Brighton. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Saw the train on the board arrive, all these people coming off, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
and I saw this woman walk through, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
and I knew straight away that that was Margaret. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
He knew it was me by my hair because it was like Mum's. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
She was the spitting image of Mum, how I remembered her - | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
tall, blonde hair... | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
..make-up. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
Mum would never go out without any make-up and I went up to her, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
tapped her on the shoulder and said, "Margaret?" | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
And we just fell into each other's arms. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
Mark and Margaret have met regularly since they found each other. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
But as Margaret was adopted at birth, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
she never knew their mother, so today Mark is preparing to share | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
some of his memories of her in a trip to London. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
This is actually the first time that we have met in London. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
We're both hoping to get to the cemetery where Mum was laid to rest. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
-Hello, my dear. How are you? -All right. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
-Lovely to see you again. -And you. -All right, then? | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Cor. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
-Our mum would be pleased now, wouldn't she? -Yeah. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Believe it or not, this was Mum's old handbag and inside... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
-..the pearls she used to wear. -Oh, look at them. Aren't they lovely? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
Gosh. Is it all right if I put these round my neck just for once? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
Course it is, love. Of course it is. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
-Look at that. -Yeah, and she used to do that, as well. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
Well, look at that. Keep them as a family heirloom from now on. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
-OK. -And these are headscarves. -Oh, gracious. -Look at this. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
-Never been worn. -Oh, look at them. -1962, I think it is. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
-A pen there, look. -Oh, lovely, look at that. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
-Pen what me mum used to have. -Yeah. -Our mum. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Yeah. Oh, that's lovely. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Margaret never met her mother. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
Today, Mark's taking her to the flat where | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
he spent the last few years with their mum before she died. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
Now we're coming in what I call the Harrow Road proper. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
And I believe we used to live on the right-hand side there. 326, there. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
Oh, yeah, this is all bringing it back now, Margaret. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
It's on the right here somewhere. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
There's 500. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
498... There's 500. I'm sure it was that one there. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Yeah, that's what I said, it's most probably there. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
-There it is. 528. -What, that one up there? -528. It's now a wine shop. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:40 | |
Oh, there it is. Look. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
Butcher's shop was down there. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
A big chiller and a cutting room downstairs. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
And that's where we used to live, up there. 528. Happy days. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
-That's amazing. -Happy days, Margaret. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
Mark's happy times here were a far cry from his life | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
as a young offender in his early teens, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
when he spent 18 months in a borstal, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
officially known as an Approved School. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
These institutions were established in 1933 by the Home Office | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
as correctional facilities for juveniles. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
They were run along the lines of boarding schools, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
with strict discipline and corporal punishment. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
They was very strict in there. Really strict. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
I remember being in the prison van, of some description, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
and arriving at this Approved School. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
And it was frightening, the first night was absolutely frightening. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
You was in a dormitory with about 30 or 40 other children. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
You was up at the crack of dawn, 6am, and you had to get up. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
You had to get up. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
There was an outdoor swimming pool, you had to go in there. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
You had to go into the swimming pool. And I remember jumping in there... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
Fortunately enough, the ice had been broken by the boys before me. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I remember scrubbing floors, buffing floors, making beds. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Stripping beds, polishing gold pipes, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
washing out the toilets, cleaning out the swimming pool. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
And I was there till I was about 14, I believe. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
When he left Approved School, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
Mark only had two more years with his mum Peggy | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
before she died suddenly of meningitis. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
It's been a long time since Mark has been able to visit her grave. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
Today, he's taking Margaret there for the very first time. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
I think I can see it now, Margaret. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
-This one? -This is it. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Yeah, there you go. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
"In loving memory of my darling Peggy. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
"Laid to rest, 14th of January, 1968... | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
"An angel on earth, now an angel in heaven." | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
And this is the vase I put on. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
You can just about read here. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
"To Mum... | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
"..from Mark." You can just about see it there. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
This was all white, beautiful white shining marble. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
-Yes. All right, Margaret? -Yes, lovely. -There you go, Mum. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
We're back together now. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
You've got nothing to be afraid of, nothing to be ashamed of. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
Nothing at all, love. If only you'd let us known earlier. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
But there it is, what's done is done. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
-Right, love? -Yeah. -There you go. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
I've go... I've got to go. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
HE EXHALES | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
HE SNIFFS | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
-Are you OK now? -Yeah. -Sure? | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
-Sorry, love. -That's all right. Listen, don't you dare say sorry. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
-You don't say sorry for anything. -I can remember the day, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
the funeral, now. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:47 | |
It is sort of, like, bringing up a past that | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
sort of, like, I didn't know a lot about, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
and now I've found so much out about it | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
since I've found my brother. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:58 | |
And I was more than nervous to come up here, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
but once I got into the cemetery and to the grave, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
I felt totally different. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
Now that I know that my mum is there, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
it makes the picture a lot clearer now. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
And after all these years, I understood everything that | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
went on and I understand, you know, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
these things are a must. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
It's just made everything really happy. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
It was.... | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
upsetting to begin with. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
But I'm glad I've come, I'm glad I've found the grave, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
it was a lot easier to find. I'm glad I stood there with Margaret, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
side-by-side, with Mum. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
And it was a really, really lovely experience for both of us. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
And we intend to come up again, get the grave cleaned up, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
bring some flowers and maybe come up once or twice a year | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
for as long as we can. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
In Buckinghamshire, Wendy Brightwell has reconnected with her half | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
brother Rod after 60 years apart. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
They've met up briefly a few times since getting back in touch, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
but today is a huge day for them both. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Rod is bringing some family photos which Wendy has never seen before. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
And Wendy will introduce him to her family for the first time, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
including the nieces and nephews he never knew he had. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
I'm really excited. I couldn't sleep last night, waiting... | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
waiting to see him again. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:27 | |
I'm hoping he's going to bring some photos with him that we | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
can look at together and I can show him my photos. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Maybe we will remember things, you know, together that happened | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
when we were young. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
God! I've been so looking forward to this. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
So looking forward to meeting you again. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
-All right? -I'm all right. Yeah. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
-Oh! -You're still tiny. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
-I'm still tiny! -SHE LAUGHS | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
I'm going to give you another hug. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
-Oh, it's lovely, it's lovely. -Yeah. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Gosh. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
-I've got some photos. -You've brought some photos, lovely. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
And I've got all my stuff there as well. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
These are the ones I started off with. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
-I've got that one. -Oh, you've got that one? -Yes. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
Yeah, I remember Mum told me not to open my mouth | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
because I didn't have any teeth at the time. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:34:22 | 0:34:23 | |
-I really like that one. -Yeah. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
-There again. -Really, really nice. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
But I find it amazing, Rod, that you've got | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
all these pictures of me when | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
I... You know... | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
I didn't know that you cared about me that much, you know. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
Rod now produces the photo which Wendy has been | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
waiting to see for 60 years. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
-Oh, my goodness. -That's all of us. That's all of us together. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
-That's amazing! -It is, really. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
-Well, it is, because we are all out on a day out. -I don't remember that. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
-There's me. -Rod, my mum, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
-Elaine...and me. -With Wendy. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
-Mum. -Auntie Marg... Oh, Auntie Lil. -Yeah. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
-And Margaret, my sister. -Yeah. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
But this is amazing because we were all on a day out | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
-and Dad must have been taking that photo, mustn't he? -Yes. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
That's just proved to me the fact that we did... | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
Seeing that is probably the best | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
because that proves that we were all living together as a family | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
and everybody was OK with it. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
I'm going to put that in a frame and put it on the wall. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Although their family set-up was unusual, Wendy can take comfort from | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
the fact that Rod's photo shows them as a close-knit and loving unit. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
Now Wendy would like to introduce Rod to her immediate family. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
She's arranged for him to meet her husband, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
daughter and grandchildren in a local cafe. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
-Hello. -This is Lewis. -Hi, you all right? -Hi. -Lewis. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
-Hello, nice to meet you. -And you. -That's Liddie. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
-You didn't know you had an uncle, did you? -No. And little Ella. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
-Are you all right? -Hello. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
-And this is Sue. -Hi, lovely to meet you. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
-Really lovely. -Hello, Ken. All right? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
-Hello, Rod. -Got a whole new family now. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
This is only... This is only a little bit of it. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
This is only a part of the family. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
-This is the best lot. -THEY LAUGH | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
I thought we'd introduce you to the best and then you can... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
-Meet the riff-raff later. -Yeah, exactly. -THEY LAUGH | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
So what was Nan like when she was little? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
I'm almost 77 now, I don't remember much. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
And did you think that one day you would ever see her again, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
-or never, ever? -Because I couldn't find her, could I? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
-So did you try to find her? -I can't, can I? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
-WENDY: -Rod is Marler, after Dad, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
and I was after Nan's name, which is Ballard. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
So how did it work out, you all living together? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
That must have been rather odd. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
Well, because we were young, Rod and I didn't really... | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
We didn't really think anything of it. But it was an odd set-up. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
I mean, two women, one man, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
but there was never any trouble. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
The neighbours didn't seem to... There was never any... | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
We were never aware of any bad feeling in the house. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
-There was never any rows... -No. -..that we remember anyway. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
-Just all got on with it. -And we just all got on with it. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
It's a bit like a weight has been lifted off her shoulder | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
because now she has done it. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:31 | |
And it has always been in the back of her mind that she wanted to, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
and now it's actually happened, so that is brilliant. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
So, I think she has grown in confidence, the fact she has done | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
the research, obviously with help, but that's quite an impressive thing | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
to do at 72, is to go online and do all the bits and bobs she's done. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
So she has definitely grown in confidence and she is a lot happier, yes, definitely. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
How does it feel to meet your great uncle? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
And can you believe I've got an uncle after all these years? | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
-Yeah, it's a bit strange. -A bit strange. A nice strange. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
Yeah. I think it'll be nice, like... | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
-In time. -..get to know him a bit more | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
and find out more info and stuff. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
As family are so important to Mum, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
meeting Rodney is really fantastic and she's really happy about it, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
and we are all delighted to meet another new member of our family. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
-It's the icing on the cake. -It is the icing on the cake. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Good quote, Lydia. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
And for Rod and Wendy, a new chapter of their lives has begun. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
Family is important, it's always been a search to find | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
the rest of my family, to find the family that I grew up with, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
so to find Rod is just amazing. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
-And I've got a lot more family than I did have before. -That's right. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
I only had one, I only had a son. Now I've got loads. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
It just makes our family complete | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
and... And that's just wonderful. It's just what I wanted. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
It's been a successful family gathering | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
and this is only the start. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
There are plenty more relatives | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
for both Wendy and Rod to connect with in the future. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
But there's still one family mystery that needs to be solved. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
Their father, who had lived with both their mothers | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
at the same time, was a bit of an enigma | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
when it came to many parts of his life. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
So we've sort of looked at all of our photos and things, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
-but there's not really much here about Dad... -No. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
..what he did in the First World War. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
I don't know anything about what he did because all... | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
As I say, all he ever said to me was, "Oh, you don't want to know." | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
Don't want to know. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:35 | |
-I knew he was in Egypt, but that's all I knew. -Yeah. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
We'll go down in a minute and see Antony, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
and hopefully he'll have a lot more to show us. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
The genealogist who brought them together, Antony Marr, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
has managed to find some of their father's military records | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
and they contain some fascinating insights into his wartime heroics. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
-Hiya, Wendy, how are you? -Nice to see you again. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
And you must be Rod, I've heard a lot about you. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
So you came to see me and you brought along | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
-some information about your father. -I did. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
And we had a photograph of him, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
we had some information about when he died | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
and we had some information that he had served in the First World War. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
You asked me if I could then find out more information | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
-and add something to what you already knew. -That's exactly... | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
So what I did, I went away and I looked him up | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
in the World War I records, and we found the...medal index card | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
-that shows he served in the London regiments. -Right. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
And that he did qualify for two medals, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
-the Victory Medal and the British War Medal. -Right. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
And we also had some information about which parts | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
of the regiment he may have served in, so that's the starting point. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
And from that index card, what I actually did, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
I went to the National Archives and I looked up the actual medal roll, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
which is the register that this refers to, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
which tells us what he was doing and where he was serving, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
and how he qualified for those medals. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
So... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
this is a copy of the actual medal roll that that card was | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
just an index to. So you can see his name here - | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
-George William Marler. -That's clear. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
And that's the service number that he finished with, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
-when he was in the 22nd London Regiment. -Yeah. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
But it tells us here that he served in the 14th and the fourth. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
The interesting thing, though, is this number here, where it says 1A. "Theatre of war served in 1A." | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
-Well, that tells us it was in France and Flanders... -Oh. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
..and that's how he qualified. So it shows he carried on... | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
or that his battalion carried on, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
and he reached a place, or the battalion reached a place, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
called Sars-la-Bruyere, in Belgium, near Mons, on Armistice Day. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
And when you think, when you look at the photograph of him there, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
in his smart uniform, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
that no doubt he probably had that taken just before he left... | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
-to leave with his family. -And very proud... -Very proud young man. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
-18 years old. Just a little bit more probably. -He said he was in Egypt, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
-that's what he told me. -He could have been. He could have been. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
I think we said that, didn't we? | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
-You thought he might have been in Palestine. -Yeah. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
I think the interesting thing is that the war... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
The medal roll is actually the medal roll of the 22nd London Regiment, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
that he appears in, but there's no service shown | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
qualifying for a medal in the 22nd... | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
-No. -..so I think perhaps he moved on to the 22nd, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
maybe after the war ended, and went on to Egypt or Palestine. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
So I hope that's answered all the questions you had, Wendy, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
-and it's been great to meet you, Rod. -And you. -Yeah. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
-How was that, then? -Brilliant. -It was. -I mean, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
I've learned so much just from that. You know, I knew a lot. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
-Yeah, I learnt about... -But you must have... | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
-I learnt a hell of a lot today. -I know. -Really. -Yeah. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Because I didn't know half of it. You've done well. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
So we need to sort of sit down and have a little think now | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
and put it all together. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
The feeling of putting somebody's history | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
back in front of them and letting them see where they came from | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
and how that worked out for them, it is so rewarding. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
The feeling of them filling the gaps that's in their | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
mind about their history, it can be really rewarding at that point. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
And getting them... Sitting down with them and going through it | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
and explaining how all their family fit together, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
and sometimes even managing to put them back together again. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 |