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For many of us, making a new start on the other side of the world | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
can be the ultimate dream, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
but what if your partner doesn't share your hopes? | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
In 2009, the Page family faced just that dilemma. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Today, we'll find out how and where they are now. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
Ian Page was desperate for his family to share his dream | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
of a new life Down Under. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
It's better here. It's cheaper here. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
You can have a better lifestyle for the kids, it's much more rewarding. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
But wife Jacqui couldn't see what was wrong with their life in the UK, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
and tensions were mounting. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
This is our life in the UK. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
This is what we have to deal with on a monthly basis. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
-This is what we'll be dealing with in Australia. -It's cheaper. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
It isn't, Ian, not really. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
So three years on, were they able to resolve their difference? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
-What's so wrong with home? -I've never said... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
There's nothing so wrong with home. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
I've never said there's anything wrong with home. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
In 2009, the Page family faced | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
one of the biggest decisions of their lives - | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
whether to stay in the UK or to move to Australia. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
We gave them a week to sample living down under, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
but what's happened since we last met them? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
Ian and Jacqui Page, along with their three children, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Lily, Abigail and baby Ethan, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
were about to leave their home near Crawley in Surrey | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
for a trial week in Australia. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
The Pages had been thinking about a move down under since they got married six years ago | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
and with Ian's job as an immigration officer | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
often requiring him to work away from home, he was keener than ever. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
To able to spend more time together as a family, to be able to enjoy | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
'each other's company a bit more, watch the kids grow up. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
'Just do things together as a family, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
'like normal families do!' | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
We work very bad shift hours. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
'Often I'll pull in the driveway, you know, "Hi, honey, I'm home." | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
'She hands me the baby and she's in the car, off to work | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
'and I'm playing dad. We're kind of like ships that pass in the night, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
'which is really frustrating' | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
and something that I want to redress in our favour. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
I'm hoping that Australia will be able to do that for us. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
-Say bye to Mummy! -Bye, darling. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
Jacqui worked as a senior staff nurse at specialist cancer hospital, the Royal Marsden. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
Her work and colleagues were a huge part of her life. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
I love the hospital. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
I love the work that I do. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
'I love my patients as well. They're really special people. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
'The people I work with, not only do I work with them,' | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
I socialise with them. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
So leaving the Marsden is going to be really difficult. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Neither Ian nor Jacqui had ever been to Australia, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
but they'd got their visas and saw it as a great opportunity for their family. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
I don't want to look back in 10, 20 years' time | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
and think, "I had that opportunity, it was something offered to me," | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
we have the visas, it's there waiting for us | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
and that we never took it, or at least never tried. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
That's the overriding thing. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
I don't want to look back and have regrets. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
But despite this, Jacqui still had plenty of doubts. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
One minute she's really, really keen, "Let's do it. Let's do it." | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
Then the next minute she's like, "I don't think this is a good idea. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
"I don't want to leave my friends. I have a really good job here." | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
I'm like, "Well, you know, we should at least give it a try." | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
I've driven Ian to complete distraction. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
One minute I really want to go, the next minute, I really don't want to. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Jacqui was incredibly close to her family, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
and worried how they would be affected by a move down under. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
'My mum isn't going to take it very well at all, to be honest.' | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
We're taking away not just me, obviously, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
but the grandchildren, and her only grandchildren. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
So it's going to be really, really difficult. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
The Pages had a lot to think about in the coming week. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
As long as we give it a fair crack of the whip. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
I can't ask for much more, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
but if she's really desperate to come home, then we'll come home. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
For their week sampling life down under, the Pages visited Perth, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
the capital of Western Australia. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Ian was desperate to make it work, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
but would Jacqui's home ties prove too much to leave behind? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
They had a busy week ahead of them, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
and after 18 hours in the air with three young children, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
they took their first steps on Aussie soil. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
Ian was feeling positive, but Jacqui still had some reservations. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
-That was a long flight. -Really long! | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
Really makes you realise just how far away you are, actually. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
-It took for ever. -Plus the time it takes, as well. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
But the kids were really good. I think they didn't do too bad. It was all right. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
-I had a little sleep on the way. -You did, didn't you? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
The Pages' home for the week was a four-bedroomed house | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
in East Victoria Park, a family-friendly suburb | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
close to the city hospitals where Jacqui hoped to find work. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
-Let's have a look. -In you go. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Oh, wow! | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
This is fantastic. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
Oh, wow, it's huge. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
It's just wonderful. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
I could see myself here for a week, that's no problem at all. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
Only a week? Can we stay for a month? | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
This is beautiful, this is really nice. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
But after a good start, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Jacqui spotted something she was less keen on. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
-Look at it, it's horrible. -It's a metal fence. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
What's wrong with a picket fence or a bit of bamboo or anything? | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
But no, it's metal and corrugated. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
And another disappointment was the price tag of £400,000, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:56 | |
which meant it was out of their budget. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
If I'm coming to the other side of the world, I want a house like this. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
-End of. -I better start working harder, then, hadn't I? -End of. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
I'm not coming to live in a shack. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
This is quite nice for me, but we can't afford it, so... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
Ian was left in no doubt that it was vital they found the right property | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
if Jacqui was going be won over by life in Australia. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
Back in the UK, the Pages had sold their two-bedroomed house in Surrey | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
before the property downturn for £250,000. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
They'd been renting this four-bedroomed family house | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
while they tried to decide where their future lay. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
It was in a great location, and suited their needs as a growing family | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
so any property in Perth would have a lot to live up to. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
We showed the Pages three different properties based on their budget | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
to give them an idea of the houses in Perth. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
The first house was in Green Mount, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
a 20-minute drive from the city-centre hospitals. At the time, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
this three-bedroomed cottage was on the market for £211,000 - | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
just within the Pages' budget. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Front garden needs a bit of a makeover. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Here we go. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
Nice high ceilings. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
It has a wooden floor as well. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
I like the fireplace. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
-A tiny, tiny, tiny room. -It is quite small, isn't it? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Ian tried to be positive. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Definitely a kids' play room, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
-which is nice. -I hope so. If it's the lounge, there'll be trouble! | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
-It's nice and airy in here, quite cool. -But Jacqui wasn't buying it. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
-It's tiny. -It is small, though. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
-What's in here? -This is a bedroom. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
This is tiny. Absolutely tiny. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
We wouldn't even get the kids'... anything in here. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
Would the next room help? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
-This is better. -This is nice. I like this. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
-This is really nice. -Oh, yeah, yeah. Much more airy. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
I love the beam. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
That's really nice. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
Jacqui wasn't taken with this house | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
and it was up to Ian to try and win her round. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
Look at that. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
-I don't like it. -No. -I don't like it! It's really... | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
Not too sure about the colour of the kitchen cabinets. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
But even he didn't sound too impressed. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Let's have a quick look at the bathroom. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
-They have a shower in there. -Yeah, that's all right. That's OK. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
You'd have to be very short to have a shower in there, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
I wouldn't fit, and a very small person to have a bath. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
I wouldn't be able to have a bath or a shower, that's not a very good start, is it? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
And eventually, he gave up altogether. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Overall, it's not quite what I'm looking for. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
I think we can do a lot better. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
I hate it. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
I know you do! | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
After a bad start, the next property needed to be far more successful. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
The second home was in the suburb of Butler. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
It was a popular area, with plenty of open spaces and parks nearby | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
and being further from the city, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
should have meant getting more for your money. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
But would this four-bedroomed new build impress? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
This looks nice. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
This looks very nice. Come on, then. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
Open the gate, then. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
I like this. A nice front garden. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
At the time, it was on the market for £230,000, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
slightly above the Pages' budget, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
but would it be able to win Jacqui over? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
This is a bedroom. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
-A tiny bedroom. -It is small. Would this be Ethan's room? | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
If this was Ethan's room, it's bigger than what he's got back home. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
That room might have been small, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
but what did she make of the airy living space next door? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
This is nice. I like this, this is really good. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
I don't know about the bar. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
The bar would have to go! | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
But this is good, Ian. A fourth bedroom. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
This is better. And it's pink as well, so Lily will be happy. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
-Who wants this bedroom? -Me! -This would be better. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
So they both have their own room. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
The Pages were certainly taken with the indoor living space, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
but there was more to see. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Outside, the house had lots more to offer, with an airy patio and pool. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Look, what's in here? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
-A pool! -A swimming pool! | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
-Wow! -Yeah, this is nice. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
-Now, be very careful, girls. -Keep away from the water, please. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
That's the Australian thing, the pool in the garden. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
-Not that much overlooked here in the pool area. -Yeah, got a lovely view of the fence(!) | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
It's got a little seating area. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
You can pass me my glass of wine. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
-Your margarita. -Chance would a fine thing! | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
But the pool wasn't enough to distract them from another problem. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I'm not used to having neighbours literally on our doorstep. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
-No... -But there are areas for the kids to play, the pool. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I love the barbecue area there. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
I could see us having the odd party out there. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
It's lovely. The outside is fine. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
If it wasn't overlooked by all the houses | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
and enclosed by a metal fence. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
This house still didn't sway Jacqui, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
but at £230,000, did the Pages at least think it was value for money? | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
It's a lot less than I thought it was going to be. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
It's less than I thought it was going to be as well. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
But at the same token...I don't like it! | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
I think that was a definite no. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
So everything hinged on property three. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
If Ian is going to win Jacqui over to his Aussie dream, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
they had to find the right house. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
The last property was in the neighbouring suburb of Clarkson. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
There were shopping facilities close by and plenty of green areas for the children. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
This four-bedroomed, two-bathroomed property | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
was then on the market for £237,000, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
just over their budget, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
so financially, it would have been a stretch. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
-A corner house. -Corner plot. -So you're not going to be overlooked | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
-on every side. -In you go, then. -In you go. That's it. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Wow! | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
-Come on, girls, do you want to have a look? -This way. -Come on, then. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
-Is this the bedroom here? -This is lovely. The decor's much nicer. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
The decor's a lot nicer, isn't it? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
No purple anywhere! | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
No. It is nice. It's very nice... | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-Oh, yes, much better. -Very nice. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:33 | |
Oh, yes. Much better. I love the kitchen. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
-That is nice. -I really like... I actually like the colour as well. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
-Not purple? -No. It's really, really nice. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
Things had started well, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
but would the garden be able to keep Jacqui happy? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
Mummy, Daddy, come and feel this grass! | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
-Is it artificial grass? -Yeah. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
That's all right. It won't need mowing, so that'll be one less job I have to get. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
-That's no too bad, I suppose. -No, it's not. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
In fact, maybe just a little... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
It'd be perfect! | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
Golf. No, it's nice. It's all right. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Apart from the... What's the issue with it? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Well, you've got the fencing again that you don't like, but that's not too bad, is it? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
There's only so much you can do with metal fencing, isn't there? Let's be honest. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
You've got to hand it to Ian! | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
And his enthusiasm did seem to be rubbing off on Jacqui. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
It's OK. It's the best one I've seen. It's homely, it's not overlooked too much... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
So, could you see yourself living here rather than back home? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
-I don't know, we'll see. We'll see! -How "we'll see" will we see? | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
-We'll see. -Oh, I suppose it's better than what I've been getting before. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
That was very close to a vote of confidence from Jacqui. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
The Pages had seen three very different properties. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
It had given them a taste of what could be in the future, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
but was it enough to sway Jacqui? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
It was time to vote. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
Well, we've seen three houses today in Australia, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
all fairly similar, but different as well. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
We've sat and we've thought about what we can get in Surrey, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
which isn't a lot for our money, really, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
and what we can get in Perth, Australia | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
and the space, and of course, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
the money that we'd be spending and we're ready to vote. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
-Australia! -Australia! | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
It seemed as if the last house had finally done the trick for Ian, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
although Lily was perhaps missing her princess bedroom back home. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
Back home, Jacqui worked part time as a senior staff nurse | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
at the Royal Marsden, a specialist cancer hospital. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
She adored her job, and over the years, the people she worked with had become close friends. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:52 | |
So would she ever be able to find an Australian job she loved as much? | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
It was an early start to meet Tish Morrison, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
a clinical specialist nurse at St John of God community hospital. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
She hopes that Jacqui's skills might find a home | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
at this palliative care unit. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
-It's a really good size, isn't it? -Yes, it is. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
The great thing about it is that all the rooms here are private rooms | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
so there's no shared accommodation. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
These doors all open up, so that if the patient isn't well enough | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
to get out the bed, we can actually let them get out in the garden. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
In the summer time, we have to keep the screens closed | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
-because there's snakes around. -Oh! | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
Not my favourite thing! | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Not something I have to worry about, to be fair, in Chevallier. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Snakes are not a problem, to be honest. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
If they made the move, both Jacqui and Ian would need to find work | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
if they were to have any chance of affording the property and lifestyle they wanted. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
Ian was hoping he might be able to retrain | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
and join the police force, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
so he visited the central business district for a chat | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
with Courtney and Tristan from Perth's Police Rail Unit. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Are there many ex-British police officers working over here? | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
-Over in Perth itself, there's about 75% British coppers to 25% Aussie coppers. -That's quite a lot. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
-Yes. -Do they fit in OK over here, then? -Yeah, no, great. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
A lot of them seem to be loving the lifestyle and it's a lot more laid back than over in the UK. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
It sounded like Ian would feel right at home. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
What kind of hours do you work? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
In Perth, we're on ten hours there and we work days and night shifts. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
Thanks for talking to me. It's been brilliant. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
-Thanks for taking time out. -Take care. -Hope you can make it over. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Fantastic. Thank you very much. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
-Come on, girls. Say bye-bye! -Bye! | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
Ian's meeting was very successful. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
He discovered that the starting rate for police officers | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
in Australia was around £26,000, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
about the same as the UK at that time. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
The pay's comparable, it's a good salary. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
The hours they do are very good, which would allow a very good, healthy balance. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
One of the things back home that's tough is working and family life. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
So, that give us a good balance over here. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Back at the hospital, Jacqui was also hoping for some good news. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
How does the salary compare here? | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
-You would be at the top of the increment. -Right. -So, I think that works out about £66,000 a year. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:13 | |
I'm not sure how that compares with the UK. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
It probably is comparable, I would say. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
Realistically, I think that you have to come and get into the workforce. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
It might not be the perfect job to begin with, but it lets you see how the system works. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
From there you can make choices after that, once you've got the first job on your CV. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
I totally agree. I think I'm going to have enough | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
stressing away settling the children down and sorting out the husband... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
..than worrying about the job. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
So, the job, it's good if that is...I'm comfortable with that. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
I know what I'm doing with that, so I haven't got to worry so much about the children. That'd be great. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
-Thank you ever so much. -Thanks, Jacqui, for your time. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
Ian's dream of emigrating rested squarely on Jacqui finding work that suited her. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
She'd been impressed by what she'd seen, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
but how would she vote on working down under? | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
I've had a good look round the hospital in Australia, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
and it is really lovely, and the people are great. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
In actual fact, the job is very similar to the one | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
I do at home at the Marsden, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
but, at the end of the day, it's not the Marsden. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
My pull is there, my loyalty is there. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
I'm going to vote for... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
UK. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:22 | |
The Pages hoped that living in Oz | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
would allow them to spend quality time together | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
so they set off for a typical Perth family day out | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
at a local marine park. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
It was a welcome reminder | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
of why they were considering such a huge move. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
We're currently under 3 million litres of water. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-Blimey! Is this Plexiglas? -It's very thick. It's very safe! | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
This is Morticia, one of our stingrays. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
-Look at that giant big one! -There's Chunk the turtle. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-That one's my favourite. -There's Ed. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
-Isn't he gorgeous? -There's Victoria! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
The girls were loving every minute, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
but Ian knew Jacqui was still worried about the decision ahead | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
and he was running out of time. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
'I am getting a bit desperate now to try to convince Jacqui to come out here. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
'I don't quite know how I'm going to achieve that.' | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
At the end of the day, I'm just going to have to sit back and | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
hope that maybe she's seen something out here that she likes, but... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
I think it's going to be a real struggle. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
I think Ian perceives that we would have more time in Australia. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
But, at the end of the day, we're both going to have to work still. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
Yes, we would have the great outdoors more here, and that is a real positive. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
But is that really a positive enough | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
to come to the other side of the world for? I'm not so sure. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
Ian didn't know where he stood. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
One minute, Jacqui's been like, "I'm definitely not going. There's no way I'm going." ' | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
Next minute, she's changed her mind. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
She's like, "Let's go. Let's sell everything, get on a plane and go." | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
'That makes me feel really upbeat one minute, really positive and focused. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
'Then the next minute, deflated and lost in direction,' | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
thinking, "If we don't go, what do we do?" | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
One minute he's up, one minute he's down. Because he has been constant. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
He wants to come here, and that's it. I can't make up my mind. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
I think maybe a lot of that is because... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
maybe I don't want to come, particularly, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
but I'm trying to please him, and I know that sounds awful. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
It is sounding awful, but I do feel really guilty. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Because it is me that's holding it all back. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
Maybe if I just thought, "Well, come on, Jac, just go for it..." | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
Is that really too much to ask? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
So had a taste of the Aussie lifestyle brought Jacqui any closer to moving? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
It was time to vote. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
We've had a great day at the aquarium today. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
Compared to back home, days out in England, it's been really good. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
It's a lot cheaper to come out here in Australia, compared to back home. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
There are other things that are the same and a little bit more expensive. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
But, overall, we've had a fun day. I think our vote is going to be for... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
-Australia! -UK! -UK! | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
It's a split vote! | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
The Pages wanted to compare the high cost of living in Surrey | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
with life in Australia. We provided some details of everyday costs, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
so they could get to grips with the figures. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
-We've won first prize in the lottery! -Chance would a fine thing. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
Right, UK cost of living. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
We know the wages are going to be the same. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
So what have we got? Electricity per month, £80 in the UK. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
£55 in Australia, that is cheaper. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
-The mortgage repayments will be £1,320. -Exactly the same. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
-But bearing in mind we're renting, that's buying. -Yeah. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Shall we see what the total is for the whole month, then? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
£2,173.25. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
Which is a difference of £291.25 deficit. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
So, looking at this, it is not that more expensive to live in Australia. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
I don't think we'd be any less worse off. I don't think. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
-It is literally the same. -So, what you are trying to say, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
because it's the same, there's no point in doing it? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Because we're not gaining anything? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
What's the point in coming, because there is no gain? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Money is not as important, is it, to be fair? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
But it's not just money, is it? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
It's money in front of us, but it's the lifestyle, isn't it? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
This is our life in the UK, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
this is what we have to deal with on a monthly basis. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
-This is what we'll be dealing with in Australia. -It's cheaper. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
It isn't, Ian - not really, it's not. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
The Pages couldn't agree on what the figures meant, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
but Ian was sure he was right. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Going through the figures with Jacqui, every time I came up with "Look, that's cheaper," | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
she'd instantly say, "It's not that much cheaper." | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
'She doesn't want it to be cheaper, because then I win the argument. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
'I think she's still dragging her heels on coming.' | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
There's things holding her back in the UK - her friends, her family and her job - | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
and I don't think I'm ever going to compete with those. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Was Ian being overly pessimistic? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
The turn of a card would tell. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
We've had a look at the facts and figures on cost of living in the UK compared to Australia. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
We've added them all up, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
and Australia is a tad cheaper. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Our vote is... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:33 | |
BOTH: Australia! | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
I can't argue with the blooming figures, can I? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
I thought you'd have it a tad... just a tad more the other way. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
Ian may have been ready to move to Australia, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
but Jacqui's biggest fear was always the pain she would face | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
in leaving behind the people she loved. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
With such a huge decision looming, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
they chose to watch some messages from home together as a family. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
-Hi, Jacqui! -Hi, Jacqui. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
Hi, Ian. I hope you're having a good time. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
-Hi, Jacqui! -Hello! | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
I know I'm biased because I'm her mum, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
but I'm extremely proud of her. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
She's turned out extremely, extremely well. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
She's one of these people that, you know, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
when you see her, she comes on the ward, you think, "Thank goodness!" | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
No matter what kind of day you'll have, you know it'll be good cos Jacqui's there. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Ian is great, he's really fantastic. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
He's always really positive, a really nice guy. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
A bundle of laughs, really good fun. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
I shall miss Jacqui and the children and Ian very, very much. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
I'd worry she'd get lonely. Cos we all need support and... | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
with three small children, and her mum gives her a lot of support. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
-If that's really what they want... -They're at the right age to do it. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
But they've got to think about it. They've really got to really think | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
about what they're gaining, what they're losing, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
and really... | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
We love them so much. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
And we wish them well. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
They've really got to think what they're doing. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
It's a long way. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
We can visit them maybe once, but that would be it. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
That's right. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
We'll have to wait for them to come back to us. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
We're going to miss you. If this is a decision you choose to make, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
we're behind you 100%, whatever your decision is. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
But hope you seize this opportunity and hope you have a brilliant time. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
Don't forget... | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
that we love you very much | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
and we are certainly going to miss you and the children. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
And we love you very much. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
Anyway, we'll see you soon, OK? | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
Lots of love. I love you. Bye. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
It doesn't matter where we are in the world. They're still going | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
to think the same of us, they're still going to be our friends. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
Well... | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
It's not the same, is it? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
You can't turn around to me and say it's the same, cos it isn't. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
-It's not the same. -No, but it's not meant to be the same, is it? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
There's nothing so wrong with home, is there? You make it sound as if there's something wrong with home. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
I've never said there is anything wrong with home. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
But then you have to ask yourself a question - if we're so happy at home, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
if everything is so perfect, if our friends and family are everything, why are we even here now? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:45 | |
Cos that's what you want. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
I really don't want to talk about this any more. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
-No? -No. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Enough's enough now, right? | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
That was harder than I thought it was going to be, actually - it was a lot harder than I thought it was | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
going to be. I didn't think I would be quite as affected by friends. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
I don't know why I thought that, I just didn't think I would be. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
'I was actually coming round to things, I thought I could do this.' | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
After seeing that, I think we're back to square one again. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
If I'd managed to persuade Jacqui an incy bit, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
everything I've done has been undone just by watching that DVD. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
What can I say? She got emotional, I expected her to get emotional, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
and for all the right reasons in life, you know. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
I don't blame her for that at all. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
That's just the way it is, but there goes all my hard work for the week. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
The Pages had been on an emotional roller coaster. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
All week, Ian had worked hard to persuade Jacqui that moving would be the right thing to do, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
but had it worked? Would they all choose a new life down under? | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
-Give us a kiss. -I'm not kissing you! -Come on. -You already had one kiss. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
We've had a fantastic week here in Perth. It's been brilliant. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
We've met some wonderful people, seen wonderful sights. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
We've gathered as much information as we can to help us make our decision, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
whether to stay in the UK or come to Australia. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
It's time for our final vote and our final vote is going to be for... | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
-Australia! -UK! -UK! | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
After seeing all they could gain and lose by moving to Australia, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
the Pages' future was left hanging in the balance, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
so three years on, what's happened since? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
It's May 2012 | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
and Jacqui, Ian, Lily, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
Abigail and Ethan are living in... | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
..Australia! | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
Two years ago, the Page family took the plunge and moved to Melbourne. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
After we got back to the UK, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
I was still really determined to get the family out here | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
and Jacqui was still apprehensive about the whole thing, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
and we just discussed it as much as we could, and I think | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
-we got to the point where... -You can't talk about it any more. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
Yeah, we'd discussed it as much as we could. We had to make a decision, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
were we going to go or were we not going to go, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
and I persisted and pushed, and I think Jacqui just thought in the end | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
that she'd much rather have tried, give it a try and see how it goes. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
Between coming back from Perth | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
and actually getting on a plane, it was about eight months. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
So it was actually quite quick, I guess, really, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
because we'd gone from actually not going | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
to writing the reservation letter and we were on the plane! | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
On the Monday you weren't going, and then on the Friday you were, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and then by the Monday again you weren't! | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
With their decision finally settled, there was no going back. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
The family made the big move, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
and now live in this four-bedroomed house in the suburb of Knoxville. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
We are in the south-eastern suburbs of Melbourne in Victoria, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
and that was my choice because Perth was just too hot for me. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:10 | |
Being very close to the lake here is great for me. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
I can take the kids there, they can get exercise round the lake. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
It's a wonderful, quiet suburb to live, so it ticks every box, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
and the house is beautiful, it's perfect for us. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
All the children have got their own bedrooms. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
We've got a playroom and then we've got our own area, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
so our own lounge, and it just works really well. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
It gives us some privacy for adults, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
and it also gives us family space and it gives the kids their space. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
So how did Ian convince Jacqui to come out to Australia | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
after she had originally voted against it? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
I don't think it was any one thing that really changed Jacqui's mind | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
but I guess it was just, you know, persistence, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
and every time I was presented with an obstacle from her | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
to say, "I'm not going," | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
I worked really hard to try and change that situation around. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
I was very dogged and determined. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
I wasn't going to take no for an answer. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
I felt that it was that important, that it needed to be done. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
It was an opportunity that was offered, you know, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
and it doesn't come to everybody, and it... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Yeah, I just thought, "I don't want to regret it." | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
And that's an overriding thing, I guess, in my life, really. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
I don't want to have any regrets in life. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
But the Pages' journey hasn't been an easy one. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
As she feared, Jacqui initially found it devastating | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
to leave her life back home. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
'I hated being in Australia when I first came.' | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
I hated it, absolutely hated it. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
There was nothing positive I saw about it at all. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
I couldn't see anything. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:41 | |
The first night we actually arrived, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
we had jetlag and we woke up in the middle of the night | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
and I was pretty much hysterical. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
Ian was then on the laptop, madly looking for a flight to go home, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
because I was just beside myself. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
I think that's very similar to how it's been for the last two years, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
it's been up and down, up and down, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
it's either been very high or very low. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
You know, some days, Jacqui's so tired and frustrated | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
and can't see a way forward. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
It is tough trying to convince her this was the right thing to do | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
when those days occur. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
In fact, things were so tough that eight months after arriving, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
Jacqui returned to the UK for a two-week time out. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
When I went home, I guess... | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
I was in two minds, really, what I wanted to do. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
I really didn't know. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Honestly, I really didn't have a clue what was going on with my head | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
or whether I wanted to stay in Australia. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
I sat down with a lot of friends | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
and we just settled down and unpicked things a bit, really. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
What would I do if I went back home, and what chances I've got here. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
I was glad that Jacqui had that time back in the UK. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
I think she needed that. I think it was good for her. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
I think it was the tonic that she needed at the time, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
so I'm glad that she did go back. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
I managed to come back to Australia with new eyes, I think, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
and the homesickness seemed to have settled down. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
I do still miss things, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
but I can actually appreciate Australia as well now. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
For Jacqui, one of the hardest things to leave behind | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
was the hospital where she worked | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
and the relationships she had with her patients and colleagues. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
So how has she settled into work in Australia? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
'At this hospital, I'm classed as an associate nurse unit manager. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
'I'm in charge of the ward when I'm on shift, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
'so that's a 20-bedded ward and all that happens on that ward.' | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
I worked at the Royal Marsden Hospital in Surrey for 16 years, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
'so I loved it, and coming to Australia, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
'I've almost had to start again because they don't know me, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
'they don't know what I'm capable of, they haven't a history with me.' | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Right, thanks, Sister. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
-Bye-bye now. -Bye. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
I've just started to make some connections with the nurses here, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
'and we kind of have quite a lot of banter. It is limited because' | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
I have the kids at home and there's only so much spare time I've got. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
'I think if you'd asked me a year ago whether it balanced out,' | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
the friends and family thing and missing home, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
I would have said, "I'll take that ticket any time and go home." | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
Now, I'm starting to see the opportunities here. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
Now, I'm starting to see that there could be a career here for me. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
While Jacqui has found her feet at work, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Ian has faced some setbacks to his career plans. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Very quickly after arriving here, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
I put my application in to join the Victoria police. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
The initial part of that is to undergo some tests, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
and I badly injured my knee doing one of the physical exercises, | 0:34:54 | 0:35:01 | |
and I was really disappointed that I'd failed that process. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Because Ian wasn't working, I then had to step up to the plate | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
and I had to earn the money. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
It was my job that got us over here | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
and it's me, really, that's kept us going, I guess. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
Jacqui's been the sole breadwinner of the family since we arrived, and... | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
You know, all credit to her, she's been working really hard. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
The shift in roles has taken quite a bit of adjusting to. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
I've had to give up, really, being a stay-at-home mum that I was at home. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
I brought up the kids, really, whereas here, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
Ian has brought up the children more | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
and I'm the one that pops in and out, which can be difficult. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
I'd say my biggest regret is kind of letting Jacqui down a little bit. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:51 | |
I made some promises to her before we came out here | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
that it wouldn't be tough and, you know, and I let her down. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
It's my responsibility because I was pushing for this, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
so I feel really guilty about that. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
I think he was looking at it first through rose-coloured glasses | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
and I think he thought everything was going to be great | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
and I think that the realisation that actually, you know, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
it hasn't worked as he planned, I think probably hit him a bit hard. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
It has been a frustrating time, and it remains to be a frustrating time. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
I'm in a situation that I don't want to be in. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
I feel a little bit trapped and a little bit cornered, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
and I'm trying to claw my way out of it. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
But Ian's original fitness test | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
has prompted some positive lifestyle changes for both of them. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
My application for Victoria police is now back on. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
I've currently gone through the assessment process again. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
I'm just waiting for a new fitness date. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Looking back on it now, I've no-one really to blame but myself, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
you know, I was overweight, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
I was out of condition and I was unprepared for it. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
'Ian, he was really quite down' | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
and didn't know where his life was going, so I think part of that is, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
losing the weight has made him feel so much better about himself, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
and given him a goal to aim for as well, while he's here. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
'My lifestyle had to change, and I wanted it to change as well, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
'so I'm living a much better lifestyle, eating better, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
'and just generally all-round feel a lot better.' | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
Were both enjoying keeping fit, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
and the country lends itself more to the outdoor type of life, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
you know. We do spend a lot more time outdoors and doing things | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
than we ever did in the UK, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
so because of that, we are fitter, I think. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
'It's become a little bit of a challenge now, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
'a battle of who'll get to what. We have little charts, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
'we mark down our weight loss each week.' | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
It's been quite a... It's been quite fun to do it together. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
-It's quite fun to do it together. -Yeah. -And, you know... | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
-I'm actually winning at the moment, I'd like to point out. -Yeah(!) | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
And the children are also enjoying their new Aussie lifestyle | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
and fitter, healthier parents. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
I think the children have settled in really well. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
They've got some lovely, lovely friends. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
They do lots of after-school activities, ballet, drama, swimming. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
Here, even the parents are encouraged to get involved | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
in the school's activities, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
something Jacqui has really embraced. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
Friday is my day off, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:17 | |
and that's the day I spend with the children and I can come in | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
and do the literacy group with Abigail and her class. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
OK, and Jack, put your name at the top. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Georgia. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
Gosh, you've got lovely writing. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
'Pretty much every mum comes in for an hour, once a week, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
'to either do literacy' | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
or to do PE or to do something, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
and it makes you feel part of the community, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
it makes you feel part of the community of the school, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
and the kids love it. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
With the children happy, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
Jacqui can see the benefits of the Pages' new life | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
and knowing they have a future in Australia | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
has made those difficult times more bearable. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
It's been a huge difference to have the girls settled here, because if | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
they're unsettled, that would make life pretty much almost unbearable. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
It's a wonderful experience. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
My children have seen wild kangaroos jumping around | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
and they've spent time on the beach. Last week, we were rock-pooling. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
Pull! | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
There's only one thing that I miss back in England. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
It's English chocolate. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
I like the English chocolate too. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
Me too! | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
With the Pages' family life blossoming, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
another challenge for Jacqui has been leaving her loved ones behind | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
and making a whole new set of friends. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-Hello. -Come in. -Come on, then. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
'I think we are starting to connect with people' | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
and starting to make friendships now. It has taken a long time. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Having children makes making friends or meeting people a lot easier, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
you know, from that point of view, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
'because you're obviously all going to the school | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
'or dropping the kids off. You do meet people through the children.' | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
We first met Jacqui and Ian and the kids | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
when we invited them to Ollie's birthday | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
and Abigail walked in with a present that was bigger than her! | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
So that was quite funny. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
The first year, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
I don't feel I really made that many connections at all. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
I think I've done better in the last six months because I feel better. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
When I first came, most weekends I spent crying | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
and life really was work, sleep... | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
..and eat, and that was it. There wasn't anything else. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
So life is very different now. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
I actually will go out and actually spend time with other people. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
I think I had to get in the right head space | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
and after about 18 months and going home, I'm a lot more settled. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
Look at her ears. Can you feel how soft her ears are? | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Despite her initial worries on their first visit, | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
Jacqui seems to have warmed to her new life in Australia. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Ian was always passionate about the move, but even he's faced | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
more challenges than he expected, so has all the upheaval been worth it? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
I think I've learned, don't always wish for what you want, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
because you might get it, and it might not be what you thought it might be! | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
'I'm glad that I finally persuaded my wife to move, and I think | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
'I just have to show her now that it was the right thing to do.' | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
Cheers, cheers. Cheers, my dear. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:30 | |
I think it has brought us together, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
because we've had to, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
'we've had to really pull on one another. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
'I think if we can survive this and get through this, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
'I think we can pretty much outride anything.' | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
'The kids are really happy, you know, and they're really settled | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
'and Ian has a goal in life, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
'which he struggled to find in the UK, and I've managed to give that' | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
to them and achieve that, so I can never regret coming. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
I wouldn't regret coming. It's not a regret. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
'We may stay in Australia, we may not. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
'I don't know, I can't tell the future' | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
but England, for me, I think will always be home | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
'and whatever happens, we'll always be together.' | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
'I'd say I'm highly optimistic.' | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
I really believe that I'm now getting more focused. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
'I've got a long way to go still, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
'but I have a great wife that understands and supports me' | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
and I'm thankful for that, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
so have faith, we'll get there. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
-21st May, yeah. Two years. -Two years' anniversary! | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Nearly our second anniversary now! | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
Cheers. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
'I'm glad I'm here.' | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
I'm not going to have regrets in life. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Moving to another country is never easy | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
and the Pages have had to face some tough times settling into their new lives, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
but for now, at least, their future lies in Australia. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
We wish them the very best of luck. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
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