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For many of us, making a new start on the other side of the world

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can be the ultimate dream,

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but what if your partner doesn't share your hopes?

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In 2009, the Page family faced just that dilemma.

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Today, we'll find out how and where they are now.

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Ian Page was desperate for his family to share his dream

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of a new life Down Under.

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It's better here. It's cheaper here.

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You can have a better lifestyle for the kids, it's much more rewarding.

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But wife Jacqui couldn't see what was wrong with their life in the UK,

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and tensions were mounting.

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This is our life in the UK.

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This is what we have to deal with on a monthly basis.

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-This is what we'll be dealing with in Australia.

-It's cheaper.

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It isn't, Ian, not really.

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So three years on, were they able to resolve their difference?

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-What's so wrong with home?

-I've never said...

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There's nothing so wrong with home.

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I've never said there's anything wrong with home.

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In 2009, the Page family faced

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one of the biggest decisions of their lives -

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whether to stay in the UK or to move to Australia.

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We gave them a week to sample living down under,

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but what's happened since we last met them?

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Ian and Jacqui Page, along with their three children,

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Lily, Abigail and baby Ethan,

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were about to leave their home near Crawley in Surrey

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for a trial week in Australia.

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The Pages had been thinking about a move down under since they got married six years ago

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and with Ian's job as an immigration officer

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often requiring him to work away from home, he was keener than ever.

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To able to spend more time together as a family, to be able to enjoy

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'each other's company a bit more, watch the kids grow up.

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'Just do things together as a family,

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'like normal families do!'

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We work very bad shift hours.

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'Often I'll pull in the driveway, you know, "Hi, honey, I'm home."

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'She hands me the baby and she's in the car, off to work

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'and I'm playing dad. We're kind of like ships that pass in the night,

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'which is really frustrating'

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and something that I want to redress in our favour.

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I'm hoping that Australia will be able to do that for us.

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-Say bye to Mummy!

-Bye, darling.

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Jacqui worked as a senior staff nurse at specialist cancer hospital, the Royal Marsden.

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Her work and colleagues were a huge part of her life.

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I love the hospital.

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I love the work that I do.

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'I love my patients as well. They're really special people.

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'The people I work with, not only do I work with them,'

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I socialise with them.

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So leaving the Marsden is going to be really difficult.

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Neither Ian nor Jacqui had ever been to Australia,

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but they'd got their visas and saw it as a great opportunity for their family.

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I don't want to look back in 10, 20 years' time

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and think, "I had that opportunity, it was something offered to me,"

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we have the visas, it's there waiting for us

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and that we never took it, or at least never tried.

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That's the overriding thing.

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I don't want to look back and have regrets.

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But despite this, Jacqui still had plenty of doubts.

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One minute she's really, really keen, "Let's do it. Let's do it."

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Then the next minute she's like, "I don't think this is a good idea.

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"I don't want to leave my friends. I have a really good job here."

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I'm like, "Well, you know, we should at least give it a try."

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I've driven Ian to complete distraction.

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One minute I really want to go, the next minute, I really don't want to.

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Jacqui was incredibly close to her family,

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and worried how they would be affected by a move down under.

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'My mum isn't going to take it very well at all, to be honest.'

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We're taking away not just me, obviously,

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but the grandchildren, and her only grandchildren.

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So it's going to be really, really difficult.

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The Pages had a lot to think about in the coming week.

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As long as we give it a fair crack of the whip.

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I can't ask for much more,

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but if she's really desperate to come home, then we'll come home.

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For their week sampling life down under, the Pages visited Perth,

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the capital of Western Australia.

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Ian was desperate to make it work,

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but would Jacqui's home ties prove too much to leave behind?

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They had a busy week ahead of them,

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and after 18 hours in the air with three young children,

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they took their first steps on Aussie soil.

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Ian was feeling positive, but Jacqui still had some reservations.

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-That was a long flight.

-Really long!

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Really makes you realise just how far away you are, actually.

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-It took for ever.

-Plus the time it takes, as well.

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But the kids were really good. I think they didn't do too bad. It was all right.

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-I had a little sleep on the way.

-You did, didn't you?

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The Pages' home for the week was a four-bedroomed house

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in East Victoria Park, a family-friendly suburb

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close to the city hospitals where Jacqui hoped to find work.

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-Let's have a look.

-In you go.

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Oh, wow!

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This is fantastic.

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Oh, wow, it's huge.

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It's just wonderful.

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I could see myself here for a week, that's no problem at all.

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Only a week? Can we stay for a month?

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This is beautiful, this is really nice.

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But after a good start,

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Jacqui spotted something she was less keen on.

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-Look at it, it's horrible.

-It's a metal fence.

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What's wrong with a picket fence or a bit of bamboo or anything?

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But no, it's metal and corrugated.

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And another disappointment was the price tag of £400,000,

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which meant it was out of their budget.

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If I'm coming to the other side of the world, I want a house like this.

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-End of.

-I better start working harder, then, hadn't I?

-End of.

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I'm not coming to live in a shack.

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This is quite nice for me, but we can't afford it, so...

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Ian was left in no doubt that it was vital they found the right property

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if Jacqui was going be won over by life in Australia.

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Back in the UK, the Pages had sold their two-bedroomed house in Surrey

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before the property downturn for £250,000.

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They'd been renting this four-bedroomed family house

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while they tried to decide where their future lay.

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It was in a great location, and suited their needs as a growing family

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so any property in Perth would have a lot to live up to.

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We showed the Pages three different properties based on their budget

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to give them an idea of the houses in Perth.

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The first house was in Green Mount,

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a 20-minute drive from the city-centre hospitals. At the time,

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this three-bedroomed cottage was on the market for £211,000 -

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just within the Pages' budget.

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Front garden needs a bit of a makeover.

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Here we go.

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Nice high ceilings.

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It has a wooden floor as well.

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I like the fireplace.

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-A tiny, tiny, tiny room.

-It is quite small, isn't it?

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Ian tried to be positive.

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Definitely a kids' play room,

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-which is nice.

-I hope so. If it's the lounge, there'll be trouble!

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-It's nice and airy in here, quite cool.

-But Jacqui wasn't buying it.

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-It's tiny.

-It is small, though.

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-What's in here?

-This is a bedroom.

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This is tiny. Absolutely tiny.

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We wouldn't even get the kids'... anything in here.

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Would the next room help?

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-This is better.

-This is nice. I like this.

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-This is really nice.

-Oh, yeah, yeah. Much more airy.

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I love the beam.

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That's really nice.

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Jacqui wasn't taken with this house

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and it was up to Ian to try and win her round.

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Look at that.

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-I don't like it.

-No.

-I don't like it! It's really...

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Not too sure about the colour of the kitchen cabinets.

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But even he didn't sound too impressed.

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Let's have a quick look at the bathroom.

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-They have a shower in there.

-Yeah, that's all right. That's OK.

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You'd have to be very short to have a shower in there,

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I wouldn't fit, and a very small person to have a bath.

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I wouldn't be able to have a bath or a shower, that's not a very good start, is it?

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And eventually, he gave up altogether.

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Overall, it's not quite what I'm looking for.

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I think we can do a lot better.

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I hate it.

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I know you do!

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After a bad start, the next property needed to be far more successful.

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The second home was in the suburb of Butler.

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It was a popular area, with plenty of open spaces and parks nearby

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and being further from the city,

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should have meant getting more for your money.

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But would this four-bedroomed new build impress?

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This looks nice.

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This looks very nice. Come on, then.

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Open the gate, then.

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I like this. A nice front garden.

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At the time, it was on the market for £230,000,

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slightly above the Pages' budget,

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but would it be able to win Jacqui over?

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This is a bedroom.

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-A tiny bedroom.

-It is small. Would this be Ethan's room?

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If this was Ethan's room, it's bigger than what he's got back home.

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That room might have been small,

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but what did she make of the airy living space next door?

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This is nice. I like this, this is really good.

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I don't know about the bar.

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The bar would have to go!

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But this is good, Ian. A fourth bedroom.

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This is better. And it's pink as well, so Lily will be happy.

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-Who wants this bedroom?

-Me!

-This would be better.

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So they both have their own room.

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The Pages were certainly taken with the indoor living space,

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but there was more to see.

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Outside, the house had lots more to offer, with an airy patio and pool.

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Look, what's in here?

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-A pool!

-A swimming pool!

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-Wow!

-Yeah, this is nice.

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-Now, be very careful, girls.

-Keep away from the water, please.

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That's the Australian thing, the pool in the garden.

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-Not that much overlooked here in the pool area.

-Yeah, got a lovely view of the fence(!)

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It's got a little seating area.

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You can pass me my glass of wine.

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-Your margarita.

-Chance would a fine thing!

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But the pool wasn't enough to distract them from another problem.

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I'm not used to having neighbours literally on our doorstep.

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-No...

-But there are areas for the kids to play, the pool.

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I love the barbecue area there.

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I could see us having the odd party out there.

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It's lovely. The outside is fine.

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If it wasn't overlooked by all the houses

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and enclosed by a metal fence.

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This house still didn't sway Jacqui,

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but at £230,000, did the Pages at least think it was value for money?

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It's a lot less than I thought it was going to be.

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It's less than I thought it was going to be as well.

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But at the same token...I don't like it!

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I think that was a definite no.

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So everything hinged on property three.

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If Ian is going to win Jacqui over to his Aussie dream,

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they had to find the right house.

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The last property was in the neighbouring suburb of Clarkson.

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There were shopping facilities close by and plenty of green areas for the children.

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This four-bedroomed, two-bathroomed property

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was then on the market for £237,000,

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just over their budget,

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so financially, it would have been a stretch.

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-A corner house.

-Corner plot.

-So you're not going to be overlooked

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-on every side.

-In you go, then.

-In you go. That's it.

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Wow!

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-Come on, girls, do you want to have a look?

-This way.

-Come on, then.

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-Is this the bedroom here?

-This is lovely. The decor's much nicer.

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The decor's a lot nicer, isn't it?

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No purple anywhere!

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No. It is nice. It's very nice...

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-Oh, yes, much better.

-Very nice.

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Oh, yes. Much better. I love the kitchen.

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-That is nice.

-I really like... I actually like the colour as well.

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-Not purple?

-No. It's really, really nice.

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Things had started well,

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but would the garden be able to keep Jacqui happy?

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Mummy, Daddy, come and feel this grass!

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-Is it artificial grass?

-Yeah.

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That's all right. It won't need mowing, so that'll be one less job I have to get.

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-That's no too bad, I suppose.

-No, it's not.

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In fact, maybe just a little...

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It'd be perfect!

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Golf. No, it's nice. It's all right.

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Apart from the... What's the issue with it?

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Well, you've got the fencing again that you don't like, but that's not too bad, is it?

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There's only so much you can do with metal fencing, isn't there? Let's be honest.

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You've got to hand it to Ian!

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And his enthusiasm did seem to be rubbing off on Jacqui.

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It's OK. It's the best one I've seen. It's homely, it's not overlooked too much...

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So, could you see yourself living here rather than back home?

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-I don't know, we'll see. We'll see!

-How "we'll see" will we see?

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-We'll see.

-Oh, I suppose it's better than what I've been getting before.

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That was very close to a vote of confidence from Jacqui.

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The Pages had seen three very different properties.

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It had given them a taste of what could be in the future,

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but was it enough to sway Jacqui?

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It was time to vote.

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Well, we've seen three houses today in Australia,

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all fairly similar, but different as well.

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We've sat and we've thought about what we can get in Surrey,

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which isn't a lot for our money, really,

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and what we can get in Perth, Australia

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and the space, and of course,

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the money that we'd be spending and we're ready to vote.

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-Australia!

-Australia!

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It seemed as if the last house had finally done the trick for Ian,

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although Lily was perhaps missing her princess bedroom back home.

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Back home, Jacqui worked part time as a senior staff nurse

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at the Royal Marsden, a specialist cancer hospital.

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She adored her job, and over the years, the people she worked with had become close friends.

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So would she ever be able to find an Australian job she loved as much?

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It was an early start to meet Tish Morrison,

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a clinical specialist nurse at St John of God community hospital.

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She hopes that Jacqui's skills might find a home

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at this palliative care unit.

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-It's a really good size, isn't it?

-Yes, it is.

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The great thing about it is that all the rooms here are private rooms

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so there's no shared accommodation.

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These doors all open up, so that if the patient isn't well enough

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to get out the bed, we can actually let them get out in the garden.

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In the summer time, we have to keep the screens closed

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-because there's snakes around.

-Oh!

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Not my favourite thing!

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Not something I have to worry about, to be fair, in Chevallier.

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Snakes are not a problem, to be honest.

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If they made the move, both Jacqui and Ian would need to find work

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if they were to have any chance of affording the property and lifestyle they wanted.

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Ian was hoping he might be able to retrain

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and join the police force,

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so he visited the central business district for a chat

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with Courtney and Tristan from Perth's Police Rail Unit.

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Are there many ex-British police officers working over here?

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-Over in Perth itself, there's about 75% British coppers to 25% Aussie coppers.

-That's quite a lot.

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-Yes.

-Do they fit in OK over here, then?

-Yeah, no, great.

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A lot of them seem to be loving the lifestyle and it's a lot more laid back than over in the UK.

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It sounded like Ian would feel right at home.

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What kind of hours do you work?

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In Perth, we're on ten hours there and we work days and night shifts.

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Thanks for talking to me. It's been brilliant.

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-Thanks for taking time out.

-Take care.

-Hope you can make it over.

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Fantastic. Thank you very much.

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-Come on, girls. Say bye-bye!

-Bye!

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Ian's meeting was very successful.

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He discovered that the starting rate for police officers

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in Australia was around £26,000,

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about the same as the UK at that time.

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The pay's comparable, it's a good salary.

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The hours they do are very good, which would allow a very good, healthy balance.

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One of the things back home that's tough is working and family life.

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So, that give us a good balance over here.

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Back at the hospital, Jacqui was also hoping for some good news.

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How does the salary compare here?

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-You would be at the top of the increment.

-Right.

-So, I think that works out about £66,000 a year.

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I'm not sure how that compares with the UK.

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It probably is comparable, I would say.

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Realistically, I think that you have to come and get into the workforce.

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It might not be the perfect job to begin with, but it lets you see how the system works.

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From there you can make choices after that, once you've got the first job on your CV.

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I totally agree. I think I'm going to have enough

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stressing away settling the children down and sorting out the husband...

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..than worrying about the job.

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So, the job, it's good if that is...I'm comfortable with that.

0:17:400:17:44

I know what I'm doing with that, so I haven't got to worry so much about the children. That'd be great.

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-Thank you ever so much.

-Thanks, Jacqui, for your time.

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Ian's dream of emigrating rested squarely on Jacqui finding work that suited her.

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She'd been impressed by what she'd seen,

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but how would she vote on working down under?

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I've had a good look round the hospital in Australia,

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and it is really lovely, and the people are great.

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In actual fact, the job is very similar to the one

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I do at home at the Marsden,

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but, at the end of the day, it's not the Marsden.

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My pull is there, my loyalty is there.

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I'm going to vote for...

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UK.

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The Pages hoped that living in Oz

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would allow them to spend quality time together

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so they set off for a typical Perth family day out

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at a local marine park.

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It was a welcome reminder

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of why they were considering such a huge move.

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We're currently under 3 million litres of water.

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-Blimey! Is this Plexiglas?

-It's very thick. It's very safe!

0:18:540:18:59

This is Morticia, one of our stingrays.

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-Look at that giant big one!

-There's Chunk the turtle.

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-That one's my favourite.

-There's Ed.

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-Isn't he gorgeous?

-There's Victoria!

0:19:100:19:13

The girls were loving every minute,

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but Ian knew Jacqui was still worried about the decision ahead

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and he was running out of time.

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'I am getting a bit desperate now to try to convince Jacqui to come out here.

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'I don't quite know how I'm going to achieve that.'

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At the end of the day, I'm just going to have to sit back and

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hope that maybe she's seen something out here that she likes, but...

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I think it's going to be a real struggle.

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I think Ian perceives that we would have more time in Australia.

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But, at the end of the day, we're both going to have to work still.

0:19:420:19:47

Yes, we would have the great outdoors more here, and that is a real positive.

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But is that really a positive enough

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to come to the other side of the world for? I'm not so sure.

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Ian didn't know where he stood.

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One minute, Jacqui's been like, "I'm definitely not going. There's no way I'm going." '

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Next minute, she's changed her mind.

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She's like, "Let's go. Let's sell everything, get on a plane and go."

0:20:050:20:08

'That makes me feel really upbeat one minute, really positive and focused.

0:20:080:20:11

'Then the next minute, deflated and lost in direction,'

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thinking, "If we don't go, what do we do?"

0:20:140:20:17

One minute he's up, one minute he's down. Because he has been constant.

0:20:170:20:21

He wants to come here, and that's it. I can't make up my mind.

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I think maybe a lot of that is because...

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maybe I don't want to come, particularly,

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but I'm trying to please him, and I know that sounds awful.

0:20:290:20:32

It is sounding awful, but I do feel really guilty.

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Because it is me that's holding it all back.

0:20:350:20:38

Maybe if I just thought, "Well, come on, Jac, just go for it..."

0:20:380:20:43

Is that really too much to ask?

0:20:430:20:45

So had a taste of the Aussie lifestyle brought Jacqui any closer to moving?

0:20:450:20:50

It was time to vote.

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We've had a great day at the aquarium today.

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Compared to back home, days out in England, it's been really good.

0:20:530:20:57

It's a lot cheaper to come out here in Australia, compared to back home.

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There are other things that are the same and a little bit more expensive.

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But, overall, we've had a fun day. I think our vote is going to be for...

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-Australia!

-UK!

-UK!

0:21:100:21:13

It's a split vote!

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The Pages wanted to compare the high cost of living in Surrey

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with life in Australia. We provided some details of everyday costs,

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so they could get to grips with the figures.

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-We've won first prize in the lottery!

-Chance would a fine thing.

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Right, UK cost of living.

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We know the wages are going to be the same.

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So what have we got? Electricity per month, £80 in the UK.

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£55 in Australia, that is cheaper.

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-The mortgage repayments will be £1,320.

-Exactly the same.

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-But bearing in mind we're renting, that's buying.

-Yeah.

0:21:520:21:55

Shall we see what the total is for the whole month, then?

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£2,173.25.

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Which is a difference of £291.25 deficit.

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So, looking at this, it is not that more expensive to live in Australia.

0:22:090:22:13

I don't think we'd be any less worse off. I don't think.

0:22:130:22:18

-It is literally the same.

-So, what you are trying to say,

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because it's the same, there's no point in doing it?

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Because we're not gaining anything?

0:22:250:22:27

What's the point in coming, because there is no gain?

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Money is not as important, is it, to be fair?

0:22:300:22:33

But it's not just money, is it?

0:22:330:22:35

It's money in front of us, but it's the lifestyle, isn't it?

0:22:350:22:38

This is our life in the UK,

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this is what we have to deal with on a monthly basis.

0:22:390:22:42

-This is what we'll be dealing with in Australia.

-It's cheaper.

0:22:420:22:45

It isn't, Ian - not really, it's not.

0:22:450:22:48

The Pages couldn't agree on what the figures meant,

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but Ian was sure he was right.

0:22:510:22:53

Going through the figures with Jacqui, every time I came up with "Look, that's cheaper,"

0:22:530:22:58

she'd instantly say, "It's not that much cheaper."

0:22:580:23:03

'She doesn't want it to be cheaper, because then I win the argument.

0:23:030:23:07

'I think she's still dragging her heels on coming.'

0:23:070:23:10

There's things holding her back in the UK - her friends, her family and her job -

0:23:100:23:14

and I don't think I'm ever going to compete with those.

0:23:140:23:17

Was Ian being overly pessimistic?

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The turn of a card would tell.

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We've had a look at the facts and figures on cost of living in the UK compared to Australia.

0:23:210:23:26

We've added them all up,

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and Australia is a tad cheaper.

0:23:280:23:32

Our vote is...

0:23:320:23:33

BOTH: Australia!

0:23:330:23:35

I can't argue with the blooming figures, can I?

0:23:350:23:38

I thought you'd have it a tad... just a tad more the other way.

0:23:380:23:43

Ian may have been ready to move to Australia,

0:23:530:23:56

but Jacqui's biggest fear was always the pain she would face

0:23:560:23:59

in leaving behind the people she loved.

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With such a huge decision looming,

0:24:020:24:04

they chose to watch some messages from home together as a family.

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-Hi, Jacqui!

-Hi, Jacqui.

0:24:090:24:10

Hi, Ian. I hope you're having a good time.

0:24:100:24:13

-Hi, Jacqui!

-Hello!

0:24:130:24:16

I know I'm biased because I'm her mum,

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but I'm extremely proud of her.

0:24:190:24:21

She's turned out extremely, extremely well.

0:24:210:24:23

She's one of these people that, you know,

0:24:230:24:26

when you see her, she comes on the ward, you think, "Thank goodness!"

0:24:260:24:30

No matter what kind of day you'll have, you know it'll be good cos Jacqui's there.

0:24:300:24:33

Ian is great, he's really fantastic.

0:24:330:24:35

He's always really positive, a really nice guy.

0:24:350:24:38

A bundle of laughs, really good fun.

0:24:380:24:40

I shall miss Jacqui and the children and Ian very, very much.

0:24:400:24:44

I'd worry she'd get lonely. Cos we all need support and...

0:24:450:24:51

with three small children, and her mum gives her a lot of support.

0:24:510:24:55

-If that's really what they want...

-They're at the right age to do it.

0:24:550:24:58

But they've got to think about it. They've really got to really think

0:24:580:25:03

about what they're gaining, what they're losing,

0:25:030:25:08

and really...

0:25:080:25:10

We love them so much.

0:25:110:25:14

And we wish them well.

0:25:140:25:16

They've really got to think what they're doing.

0:25:170:25:20

It's a long way.

0:25:200:25:22

We can visit them maybe once, but that would be it.

0:25:220:25:26

That's right.

0:25:260:25:28

We'll have to wait for them to come back to us.

0:25:280:25:31

We're going to miss you. If this is a decision you choose to make,

0:25:310:25:35

we're behind you 100%, whatever your decision is.

0:25:350:25:38

But hope you seize this opportunity and hope you have a brilliant time.

0:25:380:25:42

Don't forget...

0:25:420:25:44

that we love you very much

0:25:440:25:46

and we are certainly going to miss you and the children.

0:25:460:25:50

And we love you very much.

0:25:540:25:56

Anyway, we'll see you soon, OK?

0:25:560:26:00

Lots of love. I love you. Bye.

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It doesn't matter where we are in the world. They're still going

0:26:040:26:07

to think the same of us, they're still going to be our friends.

0:26:070:26:11

Well...

0:26:130:26:14

It's not the same, is it?

0:26:160:26:17

You can't turn around to me and say it's the same, cos it isn't.

0:26:170:26:21

-It's not the same.

-No, but it's not meant to be the same, is it?

0:26:210:26:25

There's nothing so wrong with home, is there? You make it sound as if there's something wrong with home.

0:26:250:26:30

I've never said there is anything wrong with home.

0:26:300:26:33

But then you have to ask yourself a question - if we're so happy at home,

0:26:360:26:39

if everything is so perfect, if our friends and family are everything, why are we even here now?

0:26:390:26:45

Cos that's what you want.

0:26:450:26:47

I really don't want to talk about this any more.

0:26:470:26:50

-No?

-No.

0:26:500:26:52

Enough's enough now, right?

0:26:520:26:55

That was harder than I thought it was going to be, actually - it was a lot harder than I thought it was

0:27:000:27:04

going to be. I didn't think I would be quite as affected by friends.

0:27:040:27:08

I don't know why I thought that, I just didn't think I would be.

0:27:080:27:11

'I was actually coming round to things, I thought I could do this.'

0:27:110:27:15

After seeing that, I think we're back to square one again.

0:27:150:27:18

If I'd managed to persuade Jacqui an incy bit,

0:27:180:27:22

everything I've done has been undone just by watching that DVD.

0:27:220:27:26

What can I say? She got emotional, I expected her to get emotional,

0:27:260:27:30

and for all the right reasons in life, you know.

0:27:300:27:32

I don't blame her for that at all.

0:27:320:27:35

That's just the way it is, but there goes all my hard work for the week.

0:27:350:27:40

The Pages had been on an emotional roller coaster.

0:27:410:27:44

All week, Ian had worked hard to persuade Jacqui that moving would be the right thing to do,

0:27:440:27:49

but had it worked? Would they all choose a new life down under?

0:27:490:27:53

-Give us a kiss.

-I'm not kissing you!

-Come on.

-You already had one kiss.

0:27:530:27:56

We've had a fantastic week here in Perth. It's been brilliant.

0:27:560:27:59

We've met some wonderful people, seen wonderful sights.

0:27:590:28:02

We've gathered as much information as we can to help us make our decision,

0:28:020:28:06

whether to stay in the UK or come to Australia.

0:28:060:28:08

It's time for our final vote and our final vote is going to be for...

0:28:080:28:11

-Australia!

-UK!

-UK!

0:28:130:28:16

After seeing all they could gain and lose by moving to Australia,

0:28:300:28:34

the Pages' future was left hanging in the balance,

0:28:340:28:37

so three years on, what's happened since?

0:28:370:28:40

It's May 2012

0:28:410:28:43

and Jacqui, Ian, Lily,

0:28:430:28:47

Abigail and Ethan are living in...

0:28:470:28:49

..Australia!

0:28:510:28:52

Two years ago, the Page family took the plunge and moved to Melbourne.

0:28:560:29:01

After we got back to the UK,

0:29:010:29:03

I was still really determined to get the family out here

0:29:030:29:06

and Jacqui was still apprehensive about the whole thing,

0:29:060:29:10

and we just discussed it as much as we could, and I think

0:29:100:29:13

-we got to the point where...

-You can't talk about it any more.

0:29:130:29:15

Yeah, we'd discussed it as much as we could. We had to make a decision,

0:29:150:29:18

were we going to go or were we not going to go,

0:29:180:29:20

and I persisted and pushed, and I think Jacqui just thought in the end

0:29:200:29:24

that she'd much rather have tried, give it a try and see how it goes.

0:29:240:29:29

Between coming back from Perth

0:29:290:29:31

and actually getting on a plane, it was about eight months.

0:29:310:29:34

So it was actually quite quick, I guess, really,

0:29:340:29:38

because we'd gone from actually not going

0:29:380:29:40

to writing the reservation letter and we were on the plane!

0:29:400:29:43

On the Monday you weren't going, and then on the Friday you were,

0:29:430:29:46

and then by the Monday again you weren't!

0:29:460:29:48

With their decision finally settled, there was no going back.

0:29:480:29:52

The family made the big move,

0:29:520:29:54

and now live in this four-bedroomed house in the suburb of Knoxville.

0:29:540:29:58

We are in the south-eastern suburbs of Melbourne in Victoria,

0:29:580:30:03

and that was my choice because Perth was just too hot for me.

0:30:030:30:10

Being very close to the lake here is great for me.

0:30:100:30:13

I can take the kids there, they can get exercise round the lake.

0:30:130:30:16

It's a wonderful, quiet suburb to live, so it ticks every box,

0:30:160:30:21

and the house is beautiful, it's perfect for us.

0:30:210:30:24

All the children have got their own bedrooms.

0:30:240:30:27

We've got a playroom and then we've got our own area,

0:30:270:30:30

so our own lounge, and it just works really well.

0:30:300:30:33

It gives us some privacy for adults,

0:30:330:30:35

and it also gives us family space and it gives the kids their space.

0:30:350:30:39

So how did Ian convince Jacqui to come out to Australia

0:30:390:30:42

after she had originally voted against it?

0:30:420:30:45

I don't think it was any one thing that really changed Jacqui's mind

0:30:450:30:50

but I guess it was just, you know, persistence,

0:30:500:30:52

and every time I was presented with an obstacle from her

0:30:520:30:55

to say, "I'm not going,"

0:30:550:30:57

I worked really hard to try and change that situation around.

0:30:570:31:00

I was very dogged and determined.

0:31:000:31:02

I wasn't going to take no for an answer.

0:31:020:31:04

I felt that it was that important, that it needed to be done.

0:31:040:31:07

It was an opportunity that was offered, you know,

0:31:070:31:10

and it doesn't come to everybody, and it...

0:31:100:31:13

Yeah, I just thought, "I don't want to regret it."

0:31:140:31:16

And that's an overriding thing, I guess, in my life, really.

0:31:160:31:19

I don't want to have any regrets in life.

0:31:190:31:21

But the Pages' journey hasn't been an easy one.

0:31:210:31:24

As she feared, Jacqui initially found it devastating

0:31:240:31:28

to leave her life back home.

0:31:280:31:29

'I hated being in Australia when I first came.'

0:31:310:31:34

I hated it, absolutely hated it.

0:31:340:31:36

There was nothing positive I saw about it at all.

0:31:360:31:40

I couldn't see anything.

0:31:400:31:41

The first night we actually arrived,

0:31:410:31:44

we had jetlag and we woke up in the middle of the night

0:31:440:31:46

and I was pretty much hysterical.

0:31:460:31:48

Ian was then on the laptop, madly looking for a flight to go home,

0:31:480:31:53

because I was just beside myself.

0:31:530:31:56

I think that's very similar to how it's been for the last two years,

0:31:560:32:01

it's been up and down, up and down,

0:32:010:32:03

it's either been very high or very low.

0:32:030:32:05

You know, some days, Jacqui's so tired and frustrated

0:32:050:32:09

and can't see a way forward.

0:32:090:32:12

It is tough trying to convince her this was the right thing to do

0:32:130:32:16

when those days occur.

0:32:160:32:18

In fact, things were so tough that eight months after arriving,

0:32:180:32:22

Jacqui returned to the UK for a two-week time out.

0:32:220:32:26

When I went home, I guess...

0:32:280:32:30

I was in two minds, really, what I wanted to do.

0:32:320:32:34

I really didn't know.

0:32:340:32:36

Honestly, I really didn't have a clue what was going on with my head

0:32:360:32:40

or whether I wanted to stay in Australia.

0:32:400:32:42

I sat down with a lot of friends

0:32:420:32:44

and we just settled down and unpicked things a bit, really.

0:32:440:32:48

What would I do if I went back home, and what chances I've got here.

0:32:500:32:55

I was glad that Jacqui had that time back in the UK.

0:32:550:32:57

I think she needed that. I think it was good for her.

0:32:570:33:00

I think it was the tonic that she needed at the time,

0:33:000:33:03

so I'm glad that she did go back.

0:33:030:33:06

I managed to come back to Australia with new eyes, I think,

0:33:060:33:10

and the homesickness seemed to have settled down.

0:33:100:33:14

I do still miss things,

0:33:140:33:16

but I can actually appreciate Australia as well now.

0:33:160:33:20

For Jacqui, one of the hardest things to leave behind

0:33:260:33:29

was the hospital where she worked

0:33:290:33:31

and the relationships she had with her patients and colleagues.

0:33:310:33:34

So how has she settled into work in Australia?

0:33:360:33:39

'At this hospital, I'm classed as an associate nurse unit manager.

0:33:390:33:44

'I'm in charge of the ward when I'm on shift,

0:33:440:33:46

'so that's a 20-bedded ward and all that happens on that ward.'

0:33:460:33:51

I worked at the Royal Marsden Hospital in Surrey for 16 years,

0:33:510:33:55

'so I loved it, and coming to Australia,

0:33:550:33:57

'I've almost had to start again because they don't know me,

0:33:570:34:00

'they don't know what I'm capable of, they haven't a history with me.'

0:34:000:34:04

Right, thanks, Sister.

0:34:040:34:06

-Bye-bye now.

-Bye.

0:34:060:34:07

I've just started to make some connections with the nurses here,

0:34:070:34:11

'and we kind of have quite a lot of banter. It is limited because'

0:34:110:34:15

I have the kids at home and there's only so much spare time I've got.

0:34:150:34:19

'I think if you'd asked me a year ago whether it balanced out,'

0:34:200:34:24

the friends and family thing and missing home,

0:34:240:34:26

I would have said, "I'll take that ticket any time and go home."

0:34:260:34:30

Now, I'm starting to see the opportunities here.

0:34:310:34:35

Now, I'm starting to see that there could be a career here for me.

0:34:350:34:39

While Jacqui has found her feet at work,

0:34:390:34:42

Ian has faced some setbacks to his career plans.

0:34:420:34:45

Very quickly after arriving here,

0:34:450:34:47

I put my application in to join the Victoria police.

0:34:470:34:51

The initial part of that is to undergo some tests,

0:34:510:34:54

and I badly injured my knee doing one of the physical exercises,

0:34:540:35:01

and I was really disappointed that I'd failed that process.

0:35:010:35:04

Because Ian wasn't working, I then had to step up to the plate

0:35:040:35:07

and I had to earn the money.

0:35:070:35:09

It was my job that got us over here

0:35:090:35:12

and it's me, really, that's kept us going, I guess.

0:35:120:35:15

Jacqui's been the sole breadwinner of the family since we arrived, and...

0:35:150:35:20

You know, all credit to her, she's been working really hard.

0:35:220:35:26

The shift in roles has taken quite a bit of adjusting to.

0:35:260:35:29

I've had to give up, really, being a stay-at-home mum that I was at home.

0:35:310:35:36

I brought up the kids, really, whereas here,

0:35:360:35:39

Ian has brought up the children more

0:35:390:35:41

and I'm the one that pops in and out, which can be difficult.

0:35:410:35:45

I'd say my biggest regret is kind of letting Jacqui down a little bit.

0:35:450:35:51

I made some promises to her before we came out here

0:35:510:35:54

that it wouldn't be tough and, you know, and I let her down.

0:35:540:35:59

It's my responsibility because I was pushing for this,

0:35:590:36:02

so I feel really guilty about that.

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I think he was looking at it first through rose-coloured glasses

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and I think he thought everything was going to be great

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and I think that the realisation that actually, you know,

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it hasn't worked as he planned, I think probably hit him a bit hard.

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It has been a frustrating time, and it remains to be a frustrating time.

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I'm in a situation that I don't want to be in.

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I feel a little bit trapped and a little bit cornered,

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and I'm trying to claw my way out of it.

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But Ian's original fitness test

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has prompted some positive lifestyle changes for both of them.

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My application for Victoria police is now back on.

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I've currently gone through the assessment process again.

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I'm just waiting for a new fitness date.

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Looking back on it now, I've no-one really to blame but myself,

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you know, I was overweight,

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I was out of condition and I was unprepared for it.

0:36:540:36:57

'Ian, he was really quite down'

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and didn't know where his life was going, so I think part of that is,

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losing the weight has made him feel so much better about himself,

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and given him a goal to aim for as well, while he's here.

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'My lifestyle had to change, and I wanted it to change as well,

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'so I'm living a much better lifestyle, eating better,

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'and just generally all-round feel a lot better.'

0:37:180:37:22

Were both enjoying keeping fit,

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and the country lends itself more to the outdoor type of life,

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you know. We do spend a lot more time outdoors and doing things

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than we ever did in the UK,

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so because of that, we are fitter, I think.

0:37:350:37:37

'It's become a little bit of a challenge now,

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'a battle of who'll get to what. We have little charts,

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'we mark down our weight loss each week.'

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It's been quite a... It's been quite fun to do it together.

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-It's quite fun to do it together.

-Yeah.

-And, you know...

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-I'm actually winning at the moment, I'd like to point out.

-Yeah(!)

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And the children are also enjoying their new Aussie lifestyle

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and fitter, healthier parents.

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I think the children have settled in really well.

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They've got some lovely, lovely friends.

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They do lots of after-school activities, ballet, drama, swimming.

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Here, even the parents are encouraged to get involved

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in the school's activities,

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something Jacqui has really embraced.

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Friday is my day off,

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and that's the day I spend with the children and I can come in

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and do the literacy group with Abigail and her class.

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OK, and Jack, put your name at the top.

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Georgia.

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Gosh, you've got lovely writing.

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'Pretty much every mum comes in for an hour, once a week,

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'to either do literacy'

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or to do PE or to do something,

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and it makes you feel part of the community,

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it makes you feel part of the community of the school,

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and the kids love it.

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With the children happy,

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Jacqui can see the benefits of the Pages' new life

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and knowing they have a future in Australia

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has made those difficult times more bearable.

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It's been a huge difference to have the girls settled here, because if

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they're unsettled, that would make life pretty much almost unbearable.

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It's a wonderful experience.

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My children have seen wild kangaroos jumping around

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and they've spent time on the beach. Last week, we were rock-pooling.

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Pull!

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There's only one thing that I miss back in England.

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It's English chocolate.

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I like the English chocolate too.

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Me too!

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With the Pages' family life blossoming,

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another challenge for Jacqui has been leaving her loved ones behind

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and making a whole new set of friends.

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-Hello.

-Come in.

-Come on, then.

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'I think we are starting to connect with people'

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and starting to make friendships now. It has taken a long time.

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Having children makes making friends or meeting people a lot easier,

0:39:530:39:57

you know, from that point of view,

0:39:570:39:59

'because you're obviously all going to the school

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'or dropping the kids off. You do meet people through the children.'

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We first met Jacqui and Ian and the kids

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when we invited them to Ollie's birthday

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and Abigail walked in with a present that was bigger than her!

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So that was quite funny.

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The first year,

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I don't feel I really made that many connections at all.

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I think I've done better in the last six months because I feel better.

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When I first came, most weekends I spent crying

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and life really was work, sleep...

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..and eat, and that was it. There wasn't anything else.

0:40:350:40:39

So life is very different now.

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I actually will go out and actually spend time with other people.

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I think I had to get in the right head space

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and after about 18 months and going home, I'm a lot more settled.

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Look at her ears. Can you feel how soft her ears are?

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Despite her initial worries on their first visit,

0:40:560:41:00

Jacqui seems to have warmed to her new life in Australia.

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Ian was always passionate about the move, but even he's faced

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more challenges than he expected, so has all the upheaval been worth it?

0:41:070:41:11

I think I've learned, don't always wish for what you want,

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because you might get it, and it might not be what you thought it might be!

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'I'm glad that I finally persuaded my wife to move, and I think

0:41:210:41:25

'I just have to show her now that it was the right thing to do.'

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Cheers, cheers. Cheers, my dear.

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I think it has brought us together,

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because we've had to,

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'we've had to really pull on one another.

0:41:350:41:37

'I think if we can survive this and get through this,

0:41:370:41:40

'I think we can pretty much outride anything.'

0:41:400:41:42

'The kids are really happy, you know, and they're really settled

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'and Ian has a goal in life,

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'which he struggled to find in the UK, and I've managed to give that'

0:41:500:41:54

to them and achieve that, so I can never regret coming.

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I wouldn't regret coming. It's not a regret.

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'We may stay in Australia, we may not.

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'I don't know, I can't tell the future'

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but England, for me, I think will always be home

0:42:060:42:10

'and whatever happens, we'll always be together.'

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'I'd say I'm highly optimistic.'

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I really believe that I'm now getting more focused.

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'I've got a long way to go still,

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'but I have a great wife that understands and supports me'

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and I'm thankful for that,

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so have faith, we'll get there.

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-21st May, yeah. Two years.

-Two years' anniversary!

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Nearly our second anniversary now!

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Cheers.

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'I'm glad I'm here.'

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I'm not going to have regrets in life.

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Moving to another country is never easy

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and the Pages have had to face some tough times settling into their new lives,

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but for now, at least, their future lies in Australia.

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We wish them the very best of luck.

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