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All of us have a dream,

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but if you've been

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through the torment

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of seeing your biggest one vanish,

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how far would you go to ensure your next one came true,

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especially if you had to convince your partner

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to sacrifice everything they love

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for a new life on the other side of the world?

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Former Olympic diver Ben Swain

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is desperate to carve out a new life in Australia.

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There's more things in Australia that appeal to me

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that I could be doing

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that I just don't have an opportunity to do here.

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But happily-settled-in-the-UK wife Kate's far from convinced.

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For me to kind of have the same enthusiasm as Ben is difficult

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because I've got a lot more to lose than he does.

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When a trial week down under shows them both

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what moving could really cost...

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I don't think we'd be able to afford that anyway.

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It's not looking good so far.

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..will Ben see his dream come true or watch it sink forever?

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Famed for its laid-back lifestyle,

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spectacular scenery and a buoyant economy,

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Australia's been the number one destination for Brits moving abroad

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for the last two decades.

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On average, every day, 23 families from the UK

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arrive in the country to start a new life in the sun,

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so it's no surprise 5% of the country's total population

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were born in Britain.

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Ever since representing Great Britain

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at the Commonwealth Games in 2006,

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former Olympic diver Ben Swain

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has dreamt of setting up home in Australia.

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Forced to retire from the pool,

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Ben's now desperate to carve out an exciting new life

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in the country that's captured his heart.

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First, though, he'll have to convince wife Katie

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to give up everything she loves in the UK

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to start again in a country she's never even visited

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and he's got just one week to do it.

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The couple's trial week begins with 26 hours on the move

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flying from London to Brisbane via Dubai and Singapore.

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And when they finally touch down in Australia,

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Ben's feeling the effects of the mammoth trip.

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I'm really tired. It's been a while since I've done that journey.

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He may be exhausted, but he's upbeat about being back down under.

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I haven't been here for so long.

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I want to get out, see what it's got to offer.

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I've never been to Brisbane.

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The weather. I'd love to get out in this weather.

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Katie, though, has more than the sun on her mind.

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It's a bit of a challenge.

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One, the flight was very long

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and also leaving all my friends and family back home.

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Ben's already got a plan for getting her onside, though.

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I'm looking for Australia to convince Katie rather than me.

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I think I'm going to try and take a back step

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and not be too pushy and just get an honest opinion

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from what you think of it.

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Whether that'll work

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and be the springboard to the future he wants

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will be revealed in the next seven days.

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Back in the UK, 28-year-old Ben and 26-year-old Katie Swain

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live in Sutton-in-Ashfield in Nottinghamshire.

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The couple met in 2005 at a party in Katie's home town in Scotland.

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I was visiting friends and then you also knew the friends

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and then we ended up spending New Year's Eve together.

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Yeah, and thought I'd never see him again

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and then, ten years later, we're now married.

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THEY LAUGH

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Ben was passionate about his career,

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representing Great Britain as a professional diver.

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Diving was my life.

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There was nothing else that I did or could do

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cos you're training so much.

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It's intense, there's pressure, there's excitement,

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there's highs and lows,

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so it really consumes you, engulfs you.

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Competing all over the world,

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Ben made his Olympic debut in Beijing in 2008

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and won his first international gold medal in Mexico a year later.

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Meanwhile, supportive girlfriend Katie stayed home alone.

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It was very exciting, though,

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cos you get to watch him on TV and compete.

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I remember one competition, when I was sat in bed on my own

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at three o'clock in the morning watching and he won gold.

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I was so excited, I had to phone my brother and be like,

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"Oh, my God! He's won gold!"

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And my brother was like, "Oh, my God, Katie. Get a grip."

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Ben was at the height of his career

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and when London was lined up to host the 2012 Olympic Games,

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he couldn't wait to be part of it.

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But his plans were blown out of the water

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and a crippling knee injury destroyed his career.

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A couple of months later,

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they reconstructed the inside of my knee,

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which resulted in about a year's rehabilitation.

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The day I retired was actually the qualifications

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for the London Olympic diving team.

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It was literally he went from having this amazing career

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that he had a passion for to it being gone.

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With his dream dashed, three years later,

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Ben's chasing a new one - moving to Australia,

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a country he first fell for

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while competing in the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

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Within a week, I was like, "Oh, this is the life. This is brilliant."

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He's always raved about how much he enjoyed it.

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Everything about it, he just seemed to love

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and he has never really stopped talking about it since.

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Ben believes Australia's the place to satisfy his thirst for adventure.

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I do like to be active.

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Out in Australia, there's surfing, windsurfing,

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lots of water sport activities.

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Along with that, there's a lot of adrenaline in sports.

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I think there's more things in Australia that appeal to me

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that I could be doing

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that I just don't have an opportunity to do here.

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But Katie's not convinced.

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Having grown up in Africa, she's moved continents once before

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and the experience has left a scar.

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It was very difficult and it was very hard to fit in

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because I got picked on for being different, I think.

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And that's made me very wary about getting up and leaving again

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because it's taken me a long time

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to have the network of friends that I've got.

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Katie's worked incredibly hard to build her career as a scientist.

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Also running a small business

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and with an offer to do a law conversion degree,

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she's got a lot to give up.

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I've got a stable job, we've got a house,

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we've got friends, we've got a good network,

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so for me to kind of have the same enthusiasm as Ben is difficult

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because I've got a lot more to lose than he does.

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Katie's job could be the ticket to a visa for Australia,

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but, as the main breadwinner,

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she's cautious about risking financial stability.

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At the moment, I'm supporting myself and Ben

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and to be over in Australia, to not be able to do that,

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would be far too difficult for me.

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Added to that, there's the emotional cost of leaving her family behind.

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We're all very, very close. My brother's, like, my best friend.

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-We would do anything for each other.

-Mm-hm.

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My dad was diagnosed with emphysema,

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-so I think flying halfway round the world...

-I don't think...

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..would be too much of a strain for my dad,

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so that will be something I probably find very difficult.

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With one dream already shattered,

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Ben's desperate for Katie to buy into his vision of the couple's future,

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but persuading her could be his toughest challenge yet.

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There is that conflict.

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I do think she'll appreciate it

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and enjoy that kind of lifestyle out there.

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In a way, I don't know if Ben realises

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what a big decision it is.

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I would have to be 100% sure that it would work for us

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before I could make a final decision.

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For their trial week down under, the couple are visiting Brisbane,

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Australia's third most populated city.

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Their temporary base is a luxury apartment in Toowong

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on the fringe of the city centre.

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It's Katie's first taste of Aussie living.

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-Oh, this looks nice.

-That's all right, isn't it?

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The living space is on the petite side,

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but Ben's quick to find a selling point.

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See, that's what we're missing at our place.

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Yeah, OK, I get the point.

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-Yeah, it's an awesome spot, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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See, this feels like I'm in open countryside, even though I'm not.

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And I've got a city and everything I need straight around me. Perfect.

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And the pitch continues inside.

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There's not much footage space, is there, compared to our house?

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But it's nice.

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It doesn't take long to check the place out

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and overall, both Ben and Katie seem happy.

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I'd ideally like a three-bedroom, but the actual flat,

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-God, I've seen much worse.

-The location...

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-I've seen much worse flats.

-Yeah, yeah.

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With that view, I don't think you can really go wrong, can you?

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But it's not long before Katie starts to think about

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what she's left at home.

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Moving to Australia has a risk

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of not finding a career that will support us

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or be a stable job for me.

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Ben, meanwhile, has his own concerns.

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I have got high expectations

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and I think I'll be disappointed if it does let me down.

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Assuming the country is everything he remembers,

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Ben knows he's still got a battle on his hands

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to persuade Katie to make the move.

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I think the fight will be whether it's just viable

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with missing family and work-wise.

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As long as that's taken care of,

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I think the actual country and the people and the lifestyle

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will be an easy decision.

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It is absolutely beautiful and it's really sunny

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and so far, there's nothing to complain about,

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but like I said, there's a lot of boxes to be ticked.

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Back in the UK, home for Ben and Katie

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is a two-bedroom terraced house in Sutton-in-Ashfield.

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-We paid 104,000 for the house.

-Yeah.

-And we bought it as a new-build,

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-so we were the first people to be in it.

-Yeah.

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But while Ben could pack up and leave it quite easily,

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Katie would find it harder to move on.

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We've worked hard, put a lot of personal time into it

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and it is how we want it,

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so, for me, it would be difficult to give it up.

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If Ben can persuade Katie to buy into his Australian dream,

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their property budget for a new home down under is around £110,000.

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I would quite like something similar to what we've got.

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You know, a bit of space, garden,

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in a nice area where we could feel comfortable and...

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-Something with a...

-Socialising.

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I mean, my goal would be to have something like a three-bedroom house

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big enough for a small family, a garage, a big kitchen.

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We wouldn't be able to get that at the start.

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That'd be the end goal. That's what I'd love.

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To find out what kind of house their money could buy in Australia,

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today, we'll show Ben and Katie

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three properties - two on budget

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and a third which could be their dream home.

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After they've seen each one, we'll reveal how much it would cost.

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First stop is Greenslopes, an inner-city suburb

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three miles south of central Brisbane.

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Popular with young professionals,

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it should be somewhere the Swains could blend in,

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but will this one-bedroom apartment measure up?

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In we go.

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-So, this is it.

-This is nice.

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-It's quite small.

-Yeah.

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It is rather compact.

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-Is that the...

-Bathroom?

-..bathroom right next to the front door?

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That's a bit unusual, but it's still fit for purpose.

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It's a nice bathroom, though, isn't it?

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Smaller than our bathroom, but nicer than our bathroom.

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-Yeah, but there's no bath.

-There is no bath.

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-THEY LAUGH

-I don't use the bath anyway.

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No, but I like a bath.

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Katie's not convinced

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and Ben soon notices something's amiss in the living room.

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There is no...

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..TV, but I would...

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No, but you wouldn't want to be staring at yourself

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on the sofa, would you, really?

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The nice thing is, you're straight out onto the patio

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and they've got the weather to be able to do that.

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It might be bathed in sunshine,

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but the garden isn't exactly spacious.

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-It's a lot smaller than ours at home.

-A lot smaller.

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Well, you've got enough space to have a barbecue.

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Ben's determined to push the positive,

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but picking up on its proximity to neighbours,

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even he has to admit it's not quite perfect.

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That's the thing that I'm not so keen on is having...

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-People above?

-..your neighbours directly above your head.

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As in, I could hold their feet if I needed to.

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SHE LAUGHS

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Back inside, the kitchen's a bit cramped.

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I love cooking. I love moving around the kitchen.

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It is very small.

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And the bedroom isn't very big either.

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-I mean, it works. There's only two of us, isn't there?

-Mm.

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It's only one bed. There's two of us. It's done...

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Like, there's no doubt about it that it's done nicely. It's enough.

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It's functional.

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Ben's not going to be beaten,

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but it'll take more than functional to win Katie over.

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With £110,000 to spend, it's time to find out

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if this house is somewhere the Swains could afford to call home.

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That's way more than I thought it was going to be for this.

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Yeah, me too. It's quite expensive

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-compared to what I thought it was going to be.

-Yeah.

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But I was kind of thinking that we were going to get less space,

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-but I didn't think it was going to be for more money.

-No, I didn't.

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I thought, for the same money, we'd probably get less space.

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I didn't think it would cost us more.

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I don't think we'd be able to afford that anyway.

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-That does shock me.

-Yeah, it shocks me a little bit.

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That really does shock me.

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Yeah, I think we've got some more to see.

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-But, at the minute, we wouldn't be able to afford to move here.

-No.

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The realisation they'd be paying more for less has been an eye-opener

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and with Katie already questioning the affordability of a move,

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Ben needs the next property to be much more promising.

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The couple head 40 minutes west of Brisbane to the city of Ipswich.

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Offering a cosmopolitan mix of shops and restaurants,

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the area has plenty of appeal

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and being further out could mean better value for money.

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But will this two-bedroom house just off a main road

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be somewhere Katie could call home?

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-This is the...

-Spare bedroom.

-..spare bedroom.

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-That's quite cute.

-Yeah, it's nice.

-Little window colours.

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There's certainly more space

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and the master bedroom's a hit with Ben.

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I could see myself sleeping and living here.

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But the big question is can Katie?

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-Yeah, it depends on how noisy the main road is, though.

-Yeah.

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Hmm. Next up, the bathroom.

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This is nice.

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-It looks like a holiday theme, doesn't it?

-A holiday theme?

-Yeah.

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-What do you mean?

-It's got stars and shells and stuff all round it.

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-I quite like it.

-THEY LAUGH

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OK, moving on, the open-plan living area is a hit

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with both Ben and Katie.

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-Wow.

-This is cool.

-This is better, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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-It's massive.

-It is really big.

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The modern interiors are winning Katie round.

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-It's really nice.

-And this...

-I'd be happy living here.

-Yeah.

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That's a result.

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When Ben spots the spacious kitchen, he's happy too.

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-Finally, a big kitchen. This is...

-This is really nice.

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-I like the colour of it.

-Yeah.

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Easily double the size of mine

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and it's all nice and open-plan, which is quite nice.

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Yeah, I really, really like this.

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Outdoors is much more spacious than the last property.

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-Wow. This is amazing.

-Wow.

-Garden's massive.

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-That's bigger than our whole entire property to just the garden.

-Yeah.

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You've got so much room to do all sorts of stuff.

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You could have decking, barbecue area, a patio.

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I could do my patio again.

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Ben could be getting carried away,

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but Katie doesn't share his excitement.

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-I'm not sure...

-Ideal.

-..it would be fun maintaining this, though.

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We'd have to do something with it.

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She's playing it cool,

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but this house has been more of a hit than the last one.

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But with £110,000 to spend, will it be within reach?

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How much do you think this is worth?

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In pounds, I'd probably say between 150 and 200,000, maybe.

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I was thinking along the lines of £200,000.

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I hope this is in our budget cos I'd love to be able to afford it.

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I'd love to be able to afford it too.

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I can't see it being, but fingers crossed.

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No way. I think that's incredible for this.

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It's £20,000 over budget, but Ben doesn't seem daunted.

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That fills me with hope.

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But it's still expensive and it's still out of our budget.

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Depending on their earnings down under,

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this home could still be within reach,

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though the cost of Brisbane housing is seeing Katie struggle.

0:17:280:17:32

Hopefully, the final property of the day will get her more excited.

0:17:380:17:42

Katie's keen to live somewhere that lends itself to socialising,

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so we found what could be the couple's dream space -

0:17:450:17:48

smack bang in the centre of Brisbane.

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Will it be a winner?

0:17:520:17:53

-Ooh, it's cute.

-This is different, isn't it?

0:17:590:18:03

-Is that good or bad, Ben?

-I really like it.

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By far, it's the nicest decorated than anything we've seen.

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It also offers the open-plan layout the couple like,

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but once more, it's not big on space.

0:18:130:18:16

-The living area is...

-It's quite...

-..again, quite small, isn't it?

0:18:160:18:19

-Yeah, it's quite small.

-But at least it's...

0:18:190:18:21

It looks like it's had quite a lot of work done to it, though.

0:18:210:18:24

Trying to stay positive,

0:18:240:18:26

Ben points out it could be a good starting point for the pair.

0:18:260:18:29

I think I'd... If I had to,

0:18:300:18:32

I'd rent something like this for a time to live in.

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Rather than investing.

0:18:350:18:37

Yeah, and then use this as somewhere really, really nice

0:18:370:18:40

-to look for somewhere to buy.

-Yeah.

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Katie not sounding sold, Ben moves his sales pitch outside.

0:18:450:18:49

-HE LAUGHS

-So, there you go.

0:18:490:18:51

You have got a bit of garden.

0:18:510:18:52

You've got the grass out here and a barbecue,

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which is typical Australian.

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You wouldn't be in Australia without a barbecue, so that's nice.

0:18:560:18:59

He's trying hard, but Katie's proving a tough audience.

0:19:000:19:03

It's quite a nice view,

0:19:050:19:06

but I'd be worried about the shops and...

0:19:060:19:09

-Everything down there.

-..restaurants downstairs.

0:19:090:19:11

And indoors, Ben reluctantly agrees the bathroom could be an issue too.

0:19:110:19:16

You'll fit in the bath, but I'm not sure...

0:19:160:19:19

-Am I too tall?

-Don't leave dirty footprints.

0:19:190:19:22

-Yeah, see, that's...

-HE LAUGHS

0:19:220:19:25

-Maybe a little bit of an issue.

-Yeah.

0:19:250:19:28

-Oh, you've left muddy footprints.

-Oh, sorry.

0:19:280:19:30

You're going to have to clean that before we leave.

0:19:300:19:32

Before he cleans up, the couple check out the bedroom.

0:19:320:19:35

-That's nice.

-This is cute. I like this.

0:19:370:19:41

They've got an in-built wardrobe, which is good.

0:19:410:19:44

They've used the space effectively.

0:19:440:19:45

Hopefully, with having all the bars and pubs and restaurants,

0:19:450:19:49

if these windows are nice and sealed,

0:19:490:19:51

sleeping wouldn't be an issue.

0:19:510:19:52

I don't think I'm sold on that theory. Sorry.

0:19:520:19:55

He's tried his hardest,

0:19:570:19:59

but it doesn't look like this is the house

0:19:590:20:01

to convince Katie to make the movie either.

0:20:010:20:03

With £110,000 to spend,

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would their budget even extend to somewhere like this?

0:20:060:20:09

-Shall we see how much it's worth?

-Go on, then.

-Are you ready?

-Yeah.

0:20:100:20:13

-Ah. That's quite expensive.

-HE EXHALES

0:20:160:20:20

It... Yeah, that's way out of our budget for that and...

0:20:200:20:25

-HE EXHALES

-In a way, I kind of

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almost expected it to be that expensive

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with how close it is to the centre of Brisbane.

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But, still, for this size...

0:20:320:20:34

-For that amount of money, I'd want a lot more.

-Yeah.

0:20:340:20:37

-That's ridiculously expensive.

-Yeah.

0:20:370:20:39

The reality of Brisbane property prices

0:20:390:20:42

has provided plenty of food for thought

0:20:420:20:44

and confirmed Ben's fear

0:20:440:20:46

that the three-bedroom house with a garage is a long way off.

0:20:460:20:49

Property one was too small in every way

0:20:510:20:53

apart from the asking price.

0:20:530:20:56

Property two was more spacious and closer to their budget,

0:20:560:21:00

but it still left Katie unimpressed.

0:21:000:21:02

And despite a social scene

0:21:030:21:05

on the doorstep,

0:21:050:21:06

the final property of the day left Katie cold.

0:21:060:21:09

So, how will discovering they might struggle on their budget

0:21:100:21:14

affect Ben and Katie's choice

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when it comes to choosing between homes in Australia and the UK?

0:21:150:21:20

-They've all been quite different, haven't they?

-Yeah.

0:21:200:21:22

I think it's given an idea of what is out there

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and it's kind of given an idea of what I would like

0:21:250:21:28

-and the prices to expect.

-Yeah. I think, um...

0:21:280:21:32

Well, I don't know. It's quite a difficult decision for me.

0:21:340:21:36

Time to vote.

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-Have you gone for GB?

-Yeah.

-HE LAUGHS

0:21:500:21:53

-I thought you were going to go for Australia.

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:21:530:21:56

I don't know. I think it's just the fact

0:21:560:21:58

that it's quite unpredictable about what we could afford.

0:21:580:22:01

I think, from what I've seen today, I can see potential

0:22:010:22:05

and I think, with enough research, we can actually find something

0:22:050:22:08

that will look really quite good, be quite spacious,

0:22:080:22:11

that would give us an opportunity to develop.

0:22:110:22:14

That's what I liked about it.

0:22:140:22:15

I just think there was more negatives to positives.

0:22:150:22:18

-I think the one house, I would buy in a second...

-Yeah.

0:22:180:22:21

..whereas the other two kind of made me a bit more reserved

0:22:210:22:24

-on my decision.

-Yeah.

0:22:240:22:25

With Katie disheartened by property prices,

0:22:300:22:33

Ben's chances of convincing her to move

0:22:330:22:35

could already be in deep water.

0:22:350:22:37

Finding jobs that could keep them financially afloat

0:22:370:22:40

will be crucial if he's to keep his dream alive.

0:22:400:22:43

In the UK, former athlete Ben works as a diving coach

0:22:450:22:49

and a sports massage therapist.

0:22:490:22:52

They're very different.

0:22:520:22:53

It's nice to have both to give me some change.

0:22:530:22:55

Having achieved the career of her dreams,

0:22:560:22:58

Katie works full-time as an analytical scientist

0:22:580:23:01

in a honey testing lab

0:23:010:23:03

and runs her own business hosting science parties for children.

0:23:030:23:07

It's really fascinating.

0:23:090:23:10

There are so many different areas, different aspects you can get into.

0:23:100:23:14

There's research. There's working in commercial labs.

0:23:140:23:17

If they do make the move, Ben hopes to retrain as a paramedic

0:23:170:23:21

and although it would affect his short-term earning potential,

0:23:210:23:24

he's confident it's a risk worth taking.

0:23:240:23:27

Hopefully, from sort of the things that I understand,

0:23:270:23:30

it can pay off in later years

0:23:300:23:32

and hopefully, put us in a better position than now.

0:23:320:23:34

But as the main breadwinner,

0:23:360:23:37

convincing Katie to walk away from the job she loves won't be easy.

0:23:370:23:41

It'd be very difficult for me

0:23:410:23:43

because I'm leaving the stable job and that's a massive risk for me

0:23:430:23:46

and I've worked hard to be in the position that I'm in.

0:23:460:23:48

Ben's hopes for a new life down under

0:23:510:23:53

could live or die on what the couple discover

0:23:530:23:55

in their day exploring work options.

0:23:550:23:58

First up, Katie heads off to meet David Waltisbuhl

0:24:000:24:03

from Queensland's Department of Agriculture and Fisheries.

0:24:030:24:06

Now we'll come into the main lab area.

0:24:100:24:13

How big is the lab?

0:24:130:24:14

Like, do you have quite a lot of analysts or...?

0:24:140:24:16

We've got seven analysts working in our laboratory.

0:24:160:24:20

After a quick tour, Katie is keen to get down to business.

0:24:200:24:23

If I was to come over to Australia,

0:24:230:24:25

what would my kind of job prospects be to work for a company like this?

0:24:250:24:30

I would be looking to recruit somebody

0:24:300:24:32

-only if one of the existing staff left.

-OK.

0:24:320:24:35

Probably every three or four years we might have a staff change.

0:24:350:24:40

Opportunities at this lab may be thin on the ground,

0:24:400:24:43

but David is quick to assure her work could be easier to find elsewhere.

0:24:430:24:48

Certainly in some bigger laboratories around

0:24:480:24:50

that do similar work to ours.

0:24:500:24:51

-OK.

-So they would be hiring more staff.

0:24:510:24:53

Most of the stuff they hire are at the technician level.

0:24:550:24:57

-I think you'd be looking more for a professional position.

-OK.

0:24:570:25:00

That's more reassuring.

0:25:000:25:03

Meanwhile, Ben meets Sean Mutchmor

0:25:030:25:05

at the Queensland Ambulance emergency complex

0:25:050:25:07

to find out if his ideal career is a real option.

0:25:070:25:10

These ones here have everything from these fast response units

0:25:110:25:14

for our critical care paramedics.

0:25:140:25:16

It's an impressive set-up and Ben is keen to hear

0:25:170:25:20

how he can become part of it.

0:25:200:25:22

So, I've had a look at what I need to do to become

0:25:220:25:24

a paramedic in the UK.

0:25:240:25:26

What qualifications could I get in the UK,

0:25:260:25:29

or what would I need here to become a paramedic?

0:25:290:25:31

Well, there's two options.

0:25:310:25:33

You can get credentials in the UK and then come over.

0:25:330:25:36

We have a process here where we recognise, you know, prior learning

0:25:360:25:39

-and equivalent qualifications from other countries and states.

-OK.

0:25:390:25:42

You can go through a process that way.

0:25:420:25:44

Or secondarily, you can come to Australia

0:25:440:25:46

-and do your undergraduate education here.

-OK.

0:25:460:25:49

Currently, our baseline entry programme is a three-year

0:25:490:25:52

-bachelor's degree for the advanced care paramedic II level.

-Yep.

0:25:520:25:54

Then subsequent to that,

0:25:540:25:56

if you want to go on to become a critical care paramedic,

0:25:560:25:58

it's either a graduate diploma or a master's degree.

0:25:580:26:00

That doesn't sound too dissimilar.

0:26:000:26:03

Ben would hope to study in Australia. But funding could be a problem.

0:26:030:26:07

The NHS for paramedics at university will pay for the course.

0:26:070:26:12

Is that similar out here?

0:26:120:26:13

Realistically,

0:26:130:26:15

your undergraduate programme is only funded by yourself.

0:26:150:26:17

Of course, here in Australia,

0:26:170:26:18

there's a number of government-funded systems that

0:26:180:26:21

help you pay for that, but as far as the ambulance service goes, no.

0:26:210:26:24

It's not the answer Ben wanted.

0:26:240:26:27

But Sean does add that he could qualify for a study grant.

0:26:270:26:30

Even so, the reality is

0:26:300:26:32

studying full-time would put more financial pressure on Katie.

0:26:320:26:36

So, assuming she could find a job, the big question is,

0:26:360:26:39

how much would it pay?

0:26:390:26:41

The salary we'd be looking at paying

0:26:410:26:44

someone of your qualifications would be around 75,000-80,000 a year.

0:26:440:26:50

Almost £38,000 is nearly double what Katie earns in the UK.

0:26:510:26:57

All in all, it's been a positive meeting.

0:26:570:27:00

Knowing that I wouldn't come in at a bottom level is really good.

0:27:020:27:07

And the salary would be amazing cos it's a lot higher

0:27:070:27:10

than what the UK offer.

0:27:100:27:12

Ben's chances of persuading Katie to make the move could be on the up,

0:27:130:27:17

especially if, once qualified, his salary improves too.

0:27:170:27:21

So, what's the actual pay like then?

0:27:220:27:25

Like I said, you know, there's a number of options.

0:27:250:27:27

But, baseline, say you're going to work in Brisbane,

0:27:270:27:30

an average paramedic working on an ambulance like this,

0:27:300:27:32

your baseline page might be, say, around 65,000.

0:27:320:27:35

That's a starting salary of nearly £33,000 before shift rates

0:27:350:27:39

and other allowances are added on.

0:27:390:27:42

It's been a pretty good day for the Swains at work, but how will

0:27:420:27:45

the findings impact on their decision between work in Australia and the UK?

0:27:450:27:49

-What did you go for?

-Australia!

-Australia!

-Yay!

0:28:020:28:05

-Why did you go for Australia?

-Erm...

0:28:050:28:07

I really like the people I've met out here.

0:28:070:28:09

It actually sounds really exciting.

0:28:090:28:11

-Cool.

-You?

0:28:110:28:13

I think knowing that I can transfer my skills over here and do

0:28:130:28:16

what I do back home.

0:28:160:28:18

And also there are jobs out here that I'd be able do.

0:28:180:28:22

And I think the pay would be more beneficial,

0:28:220:28:25

as it's a lot more than what the UK offer.

0:28:250:28:27

-Excellent.

-Cool.

-So, we are in agreement.

-Woohoo!

0:28:270:28:30

Let's go.

0:28:300:28:31

A day discovering work opportunities in Brisbane

0:28:370:28:40

may have put Katie's career concerns to rest.

0:28:400:28:43

Her first vote for Australia

0:28:430:28:45

could mean the tide's beginning to turn in Ben's favour.

0:28:450:28:49

With Katie a fitness fanatic,

0:28:490:28:51

will a day experiencing the active outdoor lifestyle

0:28:510:28:54

Australia is famed for prove another winner?

0:28:540:28:57

Making the most of Brisbane's warm climate,

0:29:000:29:02

the couple head for the Gold Coast

0:29:020:29:04

to try their hand at paddleboarding -

0:29:040:29:06

one of the country's most popular pastimes.

0:29:060:29:09

It's super easy to do. Super fun.

0:29:090:29:11

So, we're going to test your balance out and they're going to get

0:29:110:29:13

you to stand up on the board, use the paddle and paddle around.

0:29:130:29:16

Their instructor is Australian paddleboarding champion

0:29:160:29:19

Angela Jackson.

0:29:190:29:21

No pressure, we've got a world champion teaching us.

0:29:210:29:24

THEY LAUGH

0:29:240:29:26

Ben's competitive spirit rises to the surface

0:29:280:29:31

and after a quick lesson, they are ready to get going.

0:29:310:29:34

Normally at home in the water, Ben is soon making a splash.

0:29:380:29:41

Abandoning their boards, the pair head for an alfresco lunch

0:29:590:30:02

at the nearby Currumbin estuary,

0:30:020:30:04

where the scenery soon works its magic on Katie.

0:30:040:30:07

It's beautiful. Can't beat the sunshine. Got the water.

0:30:080:30:13

-I'm loving it here.

-Yeah, it's really nice. It's really pretty.

0:30:130:30:16

And I'd really like to try that someday.

0:30:160:30:18

Kitesurfing.

0:30:180:30:21

Probably better at that than what you were this morning.

0:30:210:30:23

I think I'd be awesome at that.

0:30:230:30:25

It's exactly the kind of life Ben dreams of.

0:30:270:30:30

Keen to gauge his chances of securing it,

0:30:300:30:33

he susses out Katie's feelings about being so far from home.

0:30:330:30:36

-Do you miss your family?

-Eh...

0:30:360:30:39

I don't really feel like I'm on the other side of the world from them.

0:30:390:30:42

I think if I wanted to go and visit, I think it'd be a different story

0:30:420:30:45

cos obviously it's not just a drive up the road,

0:30:450:30:48

it's fly miles.

0:30:480:30:50

Katie may not be homesick yet,

0:30:500:30:53

but that could be a real issue if she was here for the long haul.

0:30:530:30:57

The couple round of their day with a dip

0:30:570:30:59

in Currumbin's natural rock pools.

0:30:590:31:02

The day's definitely lived up to Ben's expectations.

0:31:020:31:05

I've had a really exciting day today.

0:31:060:31:08

I've seen a lot of Australia, the kind of Australia that I remember

0:31:080:31:12

and the reason why I thought I'd quite like to emigrate out here.

0:31:120:31:15

And after her day in the sunshine,

0:31:160:31:19

the benefits of Aussie living could be dawning on Katie too.

0:31:190:31:22

It's shown me that there's lots to do.

0:31:220:31:26

I don't think I'll ever get bored.

0:31:260:31:28

You can be outside all day.

0:31:280:31:31

The weather is lovely.

0:31:310:31:33

Yeah, I just think the whole vibe of it is pretty cool.

0:31:330:31:37

So will she have been convinced

0:31:370:31:38

when it comes to picking between the lifestyle in Australia and the UK?

0:31:380:31:43

-Shall we, babe?

-I think so.

-Let's go.

0:31:440:31:46

-What are you going for?

-Australia. That was an easy one for me.

-Yeah.

0:31:520:31:55

-For me too.

-Was it?

-Yeah.

-Excellent.

0:31:550:31:57

It was really good today and I think it gave a really good

0:31:570:32:00

-view of what would be available, so...

-Yeah.

-Yeah, really happy.

0:32:000:32:03

Much better experience than the outdoor stuff we ever

0:32:030:32:05

-get to do in England.

-Yep. Definitely.

0:32:050:32:08

-Excellent.

-Cool.

-Shall we go?

-Let's go.

0:32:080:32:11

Australia's lifestyle may have won Katie round,

0:32:190:32:21

but Ben knows keeping her on side will be a challenge

0:32:210:32:25

if the move would leave them out of pocket.

0:32:250:32:27

If they do decide to emigrate, the couple would need to

0:32:280:32:31

sell their house in the UK to help fund the move.

0:32:310:32:34

They purchased it three years ago for around £104,000.

0:32:340:32:38

We sent round two estate agents to get up-to-date valuations.

0:32:400:32:43

First thing I noticed about this property is

0:32:450:32:48

the quality of the oak flooring. Very contemporary feel about it.

0:32:480:32:52

It's a nice, spacious lounge.

0:32:520:32:55

I'd say it's a tad dark.

0:32:550:32:58

They may need to sort of brighten it up with the light.

0:32:580:33:02

Get rid of the dark lampshade.

0:33:020:33:03

It's a nice rear enclosed garden. Ideal for some entertaining.

0:33:050:33:09

It's a good selling point of the house.

0:33:090:33:11

Snookers.

0:33:130:33:14

I'm impressed with the number of units in this kitchen.

0:33:170:33:20

There are a lot of utensils out on the benches.

0:33:200:33:22

Perhaps some of those could be put away

0:33:220:33:24

if the property were to be marketed for sale.

0:33:240:33:27

That's a fair point, but I do live in that kitchen.

0:33:270:33:29

In the current marketplace,

0:33:290:33:31

I would value this property between £105,000

0:33:310:33:35

and £110,000.

0:33:350:33:39

For a quick sale, the property

0:33:390:33:41

could be marketed for £100,000.

0:33:410:33:44

The rental per calendar month would be £475 a month.

0:33:440:33:51

I'd recommend a current asking price between £100,000 and £105,000.

0:33:520:33:57

For a more quick sale, I'd be looking at a figure of £95,000.

0:33:570:34:01

The rental market remains very strong locally,

0:34:010:34:04

and my figure for rental purposes would be £495 per calendar month,

0:34:040:34:09

perhaps dropping to £475 if required.

0:34:090:34:13

-I thought we would have got more than what we paid.

-Yeah.

0:34:130:34:16

But I think I'd prefer to rent it.

0:34:160:34:19

I would. I'd keep it anyway.

0:34:190:34:21

-I don't think I'd sell it.

-Yeah.

0:34:210:34:22

With the value of their house lower than expected,

0:34:220:34:25

Ben knows what happens next could make or break his dream.

0:34:250:34:29

Anxious to keep Katie on side, the couple sit down to figure out

0:34:290:34:33

living costs in Australia, starting with their weekly food shop.

0:34:330:34:38

So, you've got eggs which are 1.6.

0:34:380:34:42

-That's 1.6.

-Mixed peppers.

-Yeah.

0:34:420:34:46

3.08.

0:34:460:34:47

-That's expensive. 3.08. Yeah.

-Apples.

-Yeah.

-0.75.

0:34:480:34:53

It's not looking good so far.

0:34:540:34:56

The couple work out they would be spending over £99 on food every week.

0:34:560:35:01

That particular shop is £25 extra.

0:35:010:35:06

That's £100 more per month.

0:35:060:35:08

And they've still to examine their bigger bills.

0:35:080:35:12

Why are you stressing?

0:35:120:35:13

-HE CHUCKLES

-Lots of numbers. Ready?

0:35:130:35:16

-OK.

-Let's do the other load.

0:35:160:35:17

Basing their sums on the second property they viewed

0:35:190:35:22

adds an instant £270 to mortgage costs.

0:35:220:35:25

That's the biggest... I think that's the biggest expense.

0:35:250:35:29

-Electricity and water is going to be a little bit more expensive.

-Yeah.

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But then everything else works out.

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Overall, the couple would be spending around £250 a month

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more down under, and Ben is feeling the pressure.

0:35:400:35:43

I'm sweating doing this.

0:35:430:35:45

Salaries could help make up the shortfall, though.

0:35:460:35:50

When the couple add up Katie's increased wages down under

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with Ben's study allowance and income from part-time sports massage,

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the figures look more promising.

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So, would the Swains be losing out or potentially living it up

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if they were to go ahead with the move?

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So, looking at these former numbers from how much we've got left

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over at the end of the month at home, we'd be laughing in Australia.

0:36:100:36:14

We've got, instead of £100 or £200,

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we've now got £900 to £1,000 extra to play with a month.

0:36:160:36:19

-So, that's good news for me.

-LAUGHING:

-Yeah.

0:36:190:36:22

Yeah, I know.

0:36:220:36:23

-That makes it... That makes me really happy.

-Aw.

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After a shaky start,

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it's clear moving could substantially improve the Swains' bank balance.

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So, is it a clean sweep for the country

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when deciding between finances in Australia and the UK?

0:36:350:36:39

Yeah! Australia.

0:36:500:36:52

Why did you pick Australia?

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Because it looks like we're going to earn more money.

0:36:530:36:55

-THEY LAUGH

-Is that it?

-No.

0:36:550:36:58

It looks like we'd get a better lifestyle, I think,

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and if we can be better off, even if I decide to go to university,

0:37:000:37:06

after I'm qualified, hopefully we'd be even better off again.

0:37:060:37:10

And for you, was it an easy choice?

0:37:100:37:11

Erm, I think it just kind of gave me

0:37:110:37:13

-an idea that I wouldn't need to worry.

-Yeah.

0:37:130:37:15

Whereas in the UK, I'd still feel like we worry about money

0:37:150:37:18

-quite a bit.

-Yeah.

-So...

0:37:180:37:21

-It's positive.

-Excellent.

0:37:210:37:23

With her financial worries laid to rest,

0:37:240:37:27

Katie could be on the way to following Ben's dream.

0:37:270:37:30

But, as they sit down to watch messages from home,

0:37:300:37:33

Ben knows he could be treading water if Katie can't reconcile herself

0:37:330:37:37

with the idea of leaving close-knit family.

0:37:370:37:40

-Hey, guys.

-Hey, guys. Hope you're having a great time in Australia.

0:37:410:37:44

Hi, Ben and Katie. I hope you've had a superb week in Australia.

0:37:440:37:47

Hi, Katie. Hi, Ben. How are you doing?

0:37:470:37:50

I hope everything is going well for you

0:37:500:37:52

and no doubt we'll hear from you soon.

0:37:520:37:54

They're just a really nice couple. Just get on really well.

0:37:540:37:57

Katie's a...

0:37:570:37:59

We always called her our wee little feisty Scots girl.

0:37:590:38:02

She's lovely. She's really lovely. She's gorgeous.

0:38:030:38:05

She's got a lovely sense of humour.

0:38:050:38:07

She's grown into the most amazing daughter. She means the world to me.

0:38:070:38:11

But I know she is in good hands with Ben.

0:38:130:38:15

Ben is a super guy.

0:38:150:38:17

I couldn't ask for anyone nicer to be with my daughter.

0:38:170:38:22

I don't want Ben to go, but I would be gutted

0:38:220:38:25

if Ben moved to Australia, but I can't stop him, so...

0:38:250:38:29

Yes, we are very proud of him for what he achieved,

0:38:290:38:33

but I think more than that, for who he is.

0:38:330:38:36

Yeah.

0:38:360:38:37

His personality, particularly.

0:38:400:38:41

I'll miss them very, very much.

0:38:470:38:49

As I say, my daughter is very caring and she worries an awful lot

0:38:500:38:53

about me, which is very touching, very nice.

0:38:530:38:56

I will miss her contact.

0:38:560:38:57

It is going to be very hard.

0:38:570:39:00

We'll just have to make sure her and Ben build me a granny flat.

0:39:000:39:03

It's the beginning of their life as, you know,

0:39:050:39:08

a married couple together and their future and I think it's, you know...

0:39:080:39:13

If that's what they want, then they go with our blessing, really.

0:39:130:39:16

-Absolutely.

-Mm-hm.

0:39:160:39:18

We are here for you. We're only a phone call away.

0:39:180:39:22

Stay safe and we're going to miss you.

0:39:220:39:25

Katie and Ben, I am going to miss you so much.

0:39:250:39:30

But I honestly think that you and Ben will excel over there.

0:39:300:39:35

And one last thing, Katie.

0:39:350:39:37

As far as health goes, don't let it impact on your decision.

0:39:370:39:41

My health is going to be fine.

0:39:410:39:42

Whatever you do, um...

0:39:430:39:45

We'll support you.

0:39:470:39:48

SHE SNIFFS

0:39:500:39:52

Whatever you do, you know we love you.

0:39:540:39:57

Bless them.

0:40:020:40:03

I was shocked that my parents got so emotional.

0:40:030:40:05

I think the biggest thing for me,

0:40:050:40:07

I guess, watching the video was kind of my dad's health.

0:40:070:40:10

I know he says he's OK, but they're there to...

0:40:100:40:14

Well, and your family are there to support us.

0:40:140:40:17

Encouraging messages from home

0:40:180:40:20

may have lessened the emotional impact of emigrating for Katie,

0:40:200:40:24

but with the heartache it could cause his family and friends

0:40:240:40:28

now dawning on him, Ben has been shaken.

0:40:280:40:31

It's been his dream all along,

0:40:310:40:33

but will coming to terms with leaving loved ones mean

0:40:330:40:37

it's now Ben who's beginning to question the move?

0:40:370:40:40

For him, the couple's time in Brisbane has been

0:40:420:40:44

a reminder of why he's been pushing for the move.

0:40:440:40:47

Having the beach, having the scenery, going down to the creek.

0:40:490:40:54

That brought back all the memories that I had before,

0:40:550:40:57

years ago, since 2006

0:40:570:40:59

that made me want to emigrate to Australia in the first place.

0:40:590:41:02

Katie's seen her money concerns evaporate.

0:41:030:41:06

I was really worried that financially

0:41:070:41:09

we wouldn't be able to cope in Australia,

0:41:090:41:11

and I think knowing that there's such a big difference

0:41:110:41:14

of the finances in Australia to the UK...

0:41:140:41:18

I mean, £900 difference is incredible.

0:41:180:41:21

I'll never see that in the UK, I don't think.

0:41:210:41:24

And being reassured about leaving family behind.

0:41:240:41:27

It was really nice to see how supportive my family were and

0:41:270:41:30

how my parents and my dad made sure that I wasn't worried about him.

0:41:300:41:35

But Ben may be wrestling with conflicting emotions.

0:41:360:41:39

I think I know which way I'm going to vote,

0:41:390:41:41

although after watching my friends and family video,

0:41:410:41:44

it's not going to make that as obvious for me now.

0:41:440:41:46

I was really surprised that my dad choked up like he did.

0:41:460:41:49

That really came as a shock to me to see that reaction.

0:41:490:41:52

It's such a big thing and it is like starting all over again.

0:41:520:41:56

And the worries that I do have are still there a little bit.

0:41:560:42:01

But from what I've seen this week,

0:42:010:42:03

there's more positives than negatives.

0:42:030:42:05

As the sun sets on their week,

0:42:060:42:08

has Katie seen enough to completely sign up to the move?

0:42:080:42:12

And will Ben decide leaving loved ones is a price worth paying

0:42:120:42:15

to follow his dream?

0:42:150:42:17

-Yay! You're up for Australia?

-Yeah.

-Are you sure?

-Yeah.

-Good.

0:42:250:42:29

What was the biggest thing that decided it?

0:42:290:42:31

-I think the reality check today...

-Yeah?

0:42:310:42:34

-..played a massive part in my decision.

-Yeah.

0:42:340:42:36

I still have a few negatives,

0:42:360:42:40

but from my experience, it's all been pretty positive.

0:42:400:42:43

I think what I've learnt is there is a lot of research we need

0:42:430:42:46

to do with cost of living

0:42:460:42:48

and what we're actually going to do out here.

0:42:480:42:50

-But I'm even more positive than I ever was.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

-Cool.

0:42:500:42:53

Excellent. Let's go.

0:42:530:42:54

Ben was convinced Australia would sell itself to Katie,

0:42:560:43:00

and he's been proved right.

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With a potentially satisfying career and more money in the bank,

0:43:020:43:05

she's finally bought into his Antipodean dream.

0:43:050:43:09

We wish Ben and Katie the best of luck as they embark

0:43:090:43:12

on what should be an exciting new chapter in their lives.

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