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If you were desperate to return

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to the country where you were born,

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how would you begin to convince your

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wife and children to join you?

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Especially if that land lies on the other side of the globe.

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After 18 years living in the UK, Kiwi Andrew Schnell is

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desperate to uproot his young family and move back home.

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I have really been wanting to move back to

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New Zealand for the last four and a half, maybe five years.

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Wife Katrina is reluctant to go...

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I know, in reality, that us going to New Zealand will cause

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an awful lot of hurt and upset to a lot of people that I love.

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..but when the whole family are blown away by Kiwi property...

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-Oh, my gosh! That is pretty fantastic.

-Is this it?

-Yeah.

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-It's definitely got the wow factor.

-It's amazing. You can't get better.

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You just can't get better than this.

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..will the value of their house back home put an end to the dream?

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-That's no good.

-We wouldn't make a penny on that.

-No.

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New Zealand's an island nation just over 1,200 miles south east of

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Australia, with a rich and diverse cultural heritage,

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around 64% of British families hoping to move there

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believe it will offer a more relaxed pace of life,

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but is it really the utopia they imagine?

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Ahead of Andrew Schnell lies just one week to show his family

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how good life could be in the country where he was born.

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At the end of the week, they'll face a decision that could

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change the course of their lives for ever -

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whether to stay in the UK or start a new life down under.

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The Schnells have endured almost 40 hours of travelling to

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get from Northern Ireland to New Zealand,

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and Andrew's family have gathered at the airport to give them

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a warm welcome.

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'I haven't seen him for, what? Two and a half, three years.

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'It's great excitement.'

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It's one of those days that you look forward to.

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It's an emotional reunion,

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but the family are exhausted after their flight.

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It's not for the faint-hearted, but we're glad we're here. It was long.

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It was a good flight, but it is a long, long flight, so,

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it's good to be here at long last.

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It seems like it's taken years to come round.

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And now they're here, how's Katrina feeling about the week ahead?

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I'm coming over with an open mind,

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so I'm hoping that answers the questions and,

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whatever the answer is, that we can all live with it and move forward.

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And that we find peace with it.

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But with just one week to come to a life-changing decision,

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it looks like Andrew's trip home will be far from relaxing.

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Back in the UK, Andrew and Katrina Schnell live with their children,

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11-year-old Hannah and nine-year-old Josh

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in Cushendall, Northern Ireland.

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We've got a really good life here in Cushendall.

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We're part of a fabulous community.

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We've both got good jobs and the kids are so settled with school.

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The couple met backpacking in Australia almost 20 years ago,

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but after 18 years of marriage and two children, Andrew, who's

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originally from New Zealand, has decided it's time to return home.

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I have really been wanting to move back to

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New Zealand for the last four and a half, maybe five years.

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And, certainly, after being in New Zealand

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three years ago on holiday, that's compounded that.

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It's been a dream and it's something that's been talked about

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both with Katrina and myself and it's caused a few arguments.

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But, for Katrina,

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emigrating would mean leaving behind close family and friends.

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I'm trying to be the supportive wife

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and not dampen his enthusiasm for going, but it's very difficult

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sometimes, because I know, in reality, that us going to New Zealand

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will cause an awful lot of hurt and upset to a lot of people that I love.

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The subject's split the family in two, with Josh taking

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his dad's side and Hannah erring on the side of caution, like her mum.

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I'm looking forward to going, but, if I do go,

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whenever I first get there, I'll probably be missing everything,

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but I think I'll get over it.

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-HANNAH:

-'It is where he grew up and I don't blame him for wanting to

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'go back and, you know, seeing his family, his brother,'

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but he has to remember that there's the rest of our family to consider.

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The Schnells lead an active life in Cushendall.

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Josh is mad about hurling

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and Hannah's biggest passion is riding her beloved horse, Omagh.

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Andrew's convinced, though,

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that there's even more opportunities in New Zealand.

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I grew up in New Zealand.

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I left when I was 21, 22,

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and I look at the lifestyle that I had growing up,

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the outdoor lifestyle, the fact that you can be outdoors pretty much

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12 months of the year and our lives here in Ireland at the moment,

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we do feel that we hibernate for, you know,

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four and five months a year.

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Katrina worries Andrew is only remembering the good old times.

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'He does look at it with rose-tinted glasses,

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'so I don't know what improvements can be made by moving to New Zealand,

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'other than being able to maybe'

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forward plan events and doing things

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because we know the weather will be on side.

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I just don't think it's a strong enough reason to move.

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SOUND DIPPED

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For her, one of the hardest things to overcome is

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the thought of taking the children away from their doting grandparents.

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My mum, I think it's fair to say, is treating this like a bereavement.

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She's going through the motions, she's cried, she's shouted,

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she's got very, very upset about it, about us going

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and that weighs heavily on me.

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I lose sleep over the idea that this could happen

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and that I am going to really hurt the people that I love.

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It will be really, really hard.

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It's something that weighs very, very heavily with me.

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Um, I'm very, very aware of their feelings and,

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look, they have been...

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they've been parents almost to Hannah and Josh

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as much as grandparents.

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'Moving would undoubtedly cause heartache

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'and while Katrina sometimes finds it an exciting prospect,

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'ultimately, her heart is at home.'

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'He is acutely aware that the only reason we're considering moving

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'to New Zealand is because he's a Kiwi. If I had married'

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an Irishman or, you know, someone from this country,

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at this point in my life, at 41 years of age with two young children,

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I wouldn't be considering moving.

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Andrew's well aware of Katrina's feelings, but desperately

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wants the chance to make his dream of moving back home their reality.

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As it stands at the moment, there's two boys against two girls,

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but I don't know if I can swing Katrina round, I really don't.

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We have things really, really good here,

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so New Zealand's going to have to be pretty special to convince

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Katrina that it's the right thing to do.

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In New Zealand, the Schnells are visiting the North Island.

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With the spine of mountain ranges running through the middle,

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this part of the country is dominated by the volcanic plateau,

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an active volcanic and thermal area.

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For their week down under,

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they'll be staying in this fully converted barn nestled in the heart

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of the Bombay Hills, just 35 minutes south of Auckland city centre.

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-Oh, wow.

-Oh, my word. Look at that.

-We've got a big deck area.

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-Look at the view!

-Jeez, that's fantastic.

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-Wow!

-Wow.

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Set on six acres and with spectacular views back to the

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city, it could give the scenic setting they've

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left in Northern Ireland a run for its money.

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What do you think, Hannah?

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Could you...could you live in a place like this?

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Yes, but it needs to have flat fields.

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It needs to have flat fields.

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You can imagine the sun setting down there over Auckland.

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-Mm-hm.

-Barbecue.

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-Absolutely, and a glass of wine.

-This is just the kind of place where,

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if we were going to move, I'd like to live in.

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The hilly landscape might not be perfect for horses,

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but will the inside impress?

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Wow! Oh, my goodness!

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-That's beautiful, isn't it?

-It's got so much character. It's lovely.

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This is open plan living. That's what you're looking for though, isn't it?

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What do you think, Josh? You're just tired, son.

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Poor Josh might need a sleep, but is this two-bedroom barn

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somewhere the family could temporarily call home?

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-Yes, I think this will do the Schnells just fine, won't it?

-Absolutely.

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For Andrew, Katrina's enthusiasm is a great start,

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as the family face what will almost certainly be a life-changing week.

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I'm buzzing to be here, I'm excited to be here,

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but I'm a little bit nervous and apprehensive

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because I've built it up in my head, I know what it's like.

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I'm very aware that this is make or break now,

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that one way or another, we're either going to move to New Zealand

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or we're going to stay in Northern Ireland.

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Back in Northern Ireland,

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home for the Schnells is the North Antrim coast.

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We have a detached four-bedroom property here in Cushendall

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and it's in a great little cul-de-sac.

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The neighbours are fantastic and it's got all the bells and whistles,

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it's got everything we want and we've worked hard to get it

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-and we work hard to keep it, so...

-Yeah.

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If the family were persuaded to move down under,

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they've clear ideas about what their dream house would offer.

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The dream house I know that we've both looked

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at on the internet would be a really old sort of style wooden house.

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A bit of a lawn to kick a ball about with Josh, and of course,

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the paddock for Hannah to ride the horse.

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It would be situated on what New Zealanders call a lifestyle plot,

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so a couple of acres of land and that's essentially so that Hannah

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could have a pony at her own home, rather than having to travel

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anywhere to go out on the pony.

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I'd be able to see it every day and go out riding every day

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and the weather would be great for it,

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but I'd also have a big bedroom and maybe even a pool if we're lucky.

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I would love us to have four bedrooms or else even have a separate

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annexe, but somewhere to facilitate or to accommodate visiting friends

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and relations, really just trying to replicate where we live here

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at the moment in Cushendall.

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The Schnells certainly know what they want,

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but will their £250,000 budget be enough to buy what they're after?

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Today, we'll show them three properties based on what they need,

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what they think they want, and what they can actually afford.

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It should give them a realistic insight into the true cost of houses

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in New Zealand. First up is the township of Waiuku,

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25 miles south west of Auckland's central business district.

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Located at the tip of the Waiuku River, this small town has

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a thriving community spirit, so could be what Katrina's looking for.

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It's also where Andrew's brother lives, which would give Hannah

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and Josh plenty of playtime with their cousins.

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-HANNAH GASPS

-That is nice!

-That is nice.

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-This is lovely, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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Upstairs, downstairs.

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It's quite a big house.

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It is a big house.

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This two-storey house has character and land,

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but will it appeal to Katrina?

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It's a nice room to walk into, isn't it?

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But it doesn't seem like a typical New Zealand house to me.

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-It looks more like a UK house.

-Yeah.

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It's a little bit dated, but that's just...

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-Well, we could do it up a bit.

-Yeah.

-There's lots of windows.

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There's a little deck area.

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Let's see.

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-Look at that. That's a great estuary.

-Oh, wow.

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I could ride my horse up along that, so I could.

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And we could just watch you from here, having a glass of wine.

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THEY LAUGH

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-That is lovely, isn't it?

-It's lovely, it's not overlooked.

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-The gardens are beautiful.

-Nice.

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Back inside though, things don't look quite as promising.

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-Oh, a little kitchen.

-Oh, that is nice.

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- There's a wee door there...

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I think little might have been the operative word.

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Yeah, you would definitely need to

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make it bigger, really, I suppose, just...

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Kiwis definitely put more emphasis on outside life than inside their

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homes, which is understandable, I suppose, considering the climate.

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The house has the four bedrooms Katrina wants,

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but will their decor be up to spec?

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Well, hey, that's a bit of a surprise.

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I didn't expect the room to be as big as that.

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-Nice and bright and airy.

-Oh, can this be my room?

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I think this might be the master bedroom, Hannah,

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-it might be Mummy and Daddy's bedroom.

-I like this house.

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I could actually imagine myself living here.

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I have yet to be convinced by it. I think it needs a little bit of work.

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Hannah can see potential,

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but Andrew knows it's Katrina's opinion that really matters.

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I like the beams as a feature throughout.

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-I don't, really.

-OK.

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I think this is just too easy to compare to properties back home.

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-Right.

-And I think if I'm going to make a move out to somewhere,

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out to here, with the climate that we have, I think

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we'll be looking for something more open plan

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and more conducive to the weather and everything that we have.

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I could be standing in the middle of a house in Belfast right now.

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It might not be the house of their dreams,

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but could their £250,000 budget afford it?

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OK, so what do you think it's worth then?

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Pounds...

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..I think that you would be paying for the view and everything,

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so I'd say it would be around the £200,000, £225,000.

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I think maybe around 180. OK.

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£267,000!

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THEY GASP

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-I wouldn't pay that!

-Rip off!

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You're paying for the location here,

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and the views and everything that, you know...

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It is the views, cos the house needs so much work.

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£267,000 is still over our budget.

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It means there'd be no more money in the pot to do the work that we

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feel the property needs.

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No, you'd need to be in love with the property to extend what

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you're looking to pay and I just don't have the wow factor.

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And Hannah, is there a reason why

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you think we shouldn't live in a property like this?

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-Not enough room for a horse.

-THEY LAUGH

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At £17,000 over budget,

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it's not the ideal start for Andrew.

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Could the next property meet their budget and expectations?

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Staying in the Waiuku area,

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the family don't have too far to travel to this four-bedroom house.

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While it isn't quite a lifestyle plot,

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its proximity to the local primary school

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and sporting facilities could make it very appealing

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and its single level wooden construction is closer to the

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-typical New Zealand house Katrina imagines.

-We've got rain.

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It is a bit of rain. Just to make you feel at home.

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OK.

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-Straight into the living room.

-It's very open plan, isn't it?

-Mm-hm.

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-It's quite nice.

-It is a nice little room.

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Yes...

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There's a better kitchen, a better size.

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-It's still not as big as maybe you might expect.

-No, it's not.

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-It's nice, I could live with this.

-Yeah, it's a nice window there.

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Moving on and Andrew's eye is quickly drawn back outside.

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That's fantastic.

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You could see yourself out there on many an afternoon

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and a morning, chilling out. Covered as well.

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-It's a good-sized living room though.

-It is, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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You don't really need it any bigger than that, to be fair.

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No, that's like an extension of your living area, so...

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-Bringing outside in.

-Yeah.

-This looks much more promising.

-Ooh!

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Very nice.

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That's good, isn't it?

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-Very nice sized bedroom.

-It's lovely.

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Nice big doors that lead to the outside.

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-HANNAH:

-Yeah.

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You could see yourself just getting out of bed in the morning,

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and just out here for a cup of tea or coffee

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that the kids would bring you.

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No! In your dreams maybe.

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Good try, Andrew!

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But this house is full of surprises, including this garden hideaway.

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-Oh, look at this.

-Cool! - Cool!

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-Oh!

-There's another bed in here.

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-- It could be a spare bedroom.

-Well, they have it set out for a bed,

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but I see this more as the PlayStation, Xbox...

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-..den style unit for you guys.

-Yeah, that would be good, wouldn't it?

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-Yeah.

-Peace and quiet for Mum and Dad.

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-I like this. It's a nice idea.

-Yeah, it is good, isn't it?

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You could get a lot of use out of it.

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-But then, obviously, if you did have visitors from home.

-Yeah.

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-You could utilise it as a bedroom.

-Absolutely.

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There's no room for a pony,

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but could this be the house for the Schnells?

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How much do you think it'll be?

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Well, what do you think it's going to be?

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-I don't know.

-Well, the last one was £267,000.

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What do you think this might be? Higher or lower?

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-Higher.

-Higher?

-273.

-273? What about you?

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I think it'll be 250.

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-Ah.

-What do you reckon?

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I think I'm going to go along with Hannah. I think around 250.

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-OK, 240, just to be different.

-Is that your final...?

-Final offer.

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-Shall I turn the card?

-Yeah.

-Do you want to turn it, Hannah?

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Are you ready? The big finale.

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-Oh!

-Whoa!

-236.

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-Yeah, that's good.

-Cheaper than the other was.

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No, I didn't expect it to be more than the last house.

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-I don't think it's for us, this house.

-Yeah.

-But it's encouraging.

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-Yeah.

-It's really encouraging.

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£14,000 under budget is a good result,

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but the house hasn't quite won the family over.

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Still in search of the traditional lifestyle plot,

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the Schnells' next house is in the rural township of Onewhero.

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-Oh, my gosh. That is pretty fantastic.

-Is this is it?

-Yeah.

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45 miles from Auckland could make it a long commute to work,

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but it should give them more for their money.

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The small town also has a handful of sports clubs where the family

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-could join in the local community.

-What do you think, Hannah?

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This house might have been chosen especially for you.

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Yep, there's certainly room for a pony here.

0:17:400:17:42

-Oh, it's definitely got the wow factor!

-Yes! I would live here!

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-It is pretty special.

-Oh, my Lord!

-That view is amazing.

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We'll maybe turn that into vineyards.

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THEY LAUGH

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First impressions are good,

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but will the classic Kiwi homestead meet Katrina's expectations?

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-Look at that house!

-That's just unbelievable.

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That's exactly the house that we described.

0:18:030:18:05

-Yeah, Mummy, that's your kind of house.

-Is it all colonial style?

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-Look, there's fruit trees and everything there as well.

-Oh!

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Could this be just what Andrew needs to convince Katrina of the move?

0:18:110:18:14

-Oh, well, it doesn't disappoint inside! Oh, my goodness!

-Whoa!

0:18:140:18:19

-That's got the wow factor all round.

-A wood burner.

-Look at the kitchen.

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-Open plan...

-Mum, that's your kitchen too!

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KATRINA GASPS

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I suppose, if you were to write down what you wanted...

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-Yeah.

-This is it.

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..you couldn't have written this down.

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You just couldn't have written... This is what you want.

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-Wow, it really is. What do you think, Josh?

-I love it!

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This house also has the four bedrooms the family are after,

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so that should be another box ticked.

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The master bedroom...oh, my goodness!

0:18:510:18:53

Yeah. Look at the size of it!

0:18:530:18:56

Look how big this thing is!

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-Whoa!

-It's lovely.

-It is.

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Like the previous house, there's also a separate annexe,

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-an important part of Katrina's wish list.

-Well, what do you think?

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-It is a bit wow.

-I love it. It's amazing.

0:19:100:19:13

-You can't get better, you just can't get better than this!

-No. It's...

0:19:130:19:17

-It's special all right.

-What do you think, Josh?

-I love it.

-You love it?

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It looks like the family have found their dream home,

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but is it within their £250,000 budget?

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-"Can we afford it?", is the question.

-It's the burning question.

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-I hope so.

-And what do you think it's worth?

-320.

-320.

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-I'm guessing 326.

-OK. What are you going to...?

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I'm going to go in around that too. I think it's definitely over the 300.

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Yeah, I don't even want to put a price on it.

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It's definitely over 300.

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-346!

-Oh!

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-Pushing it, isn't it? Pushing it!

-£346,500.

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630,000 New Zealand dollars, Hannah.

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I'll do babysitting!

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-Hannah, you can be our negotiator!

-Oh, my gosh!

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Oh, well!

0:20:050:20:07

House-hunting has created mixed emotions for the Schnells.

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Property one had stunning gardens,

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but the house's decor was just too dated.

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The second home had a more impressive interior,

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but lacked the views and land the family desperately want.

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The final property got everyone excited,

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but would mean Mum and Dad getting well-paid jobs

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to be able to afford it.

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So, after a day of experiencing the local housing market,

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will the family choose property in the UK or New Zealand?

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We've had a brilliant day looking at properties in New Zealand and

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based on everything that we've found today, we're going to vote for...

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-New Zealand!

-New Zealand! - New Zealand!

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Undecided.

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-What the...? Really?

-Oh!

-Mummy!

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The houses were much more expensive than I thought

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-and I don't want to get into another massive 30-year mortgage.

-Yeah.

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So, until we can actually go and spend a day looking at what

0:21:000:21:03

our potential earnings are, I'm a bit unsure whether...

0:21:030:21:06

No, that's fair enough.

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Thanks to the harsh realities of the property market,

0:21:120:21:15

Andrew knows finding the right job for Katrina

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and himself is crucial if he's to stand a chance

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of seeing his wife flip the card for New Zealand.

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Back in the UK, Katrina works as a sales manager

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for a satellite installation company,

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but is open-minded about what she might do if they move.

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Because I've worked in the hospitality industry and now sales,

0:21:320:21:36

I have gained quite a lot of different skills

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and these skills are transferable to many

0:21:400:21:43

different types of employment,

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so I think I would welcome the opportunity of speaking to

0:21:450:21:48

a recruitment agency and just seeing what's available over there.

0:21:480:21:52

Andrew's an account manager in the wine industry

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and career aspirations form a large part of his desire to move.

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'I'm in a great job and it's a job that I enjoy, at the moment,'

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but there's a bit of a ceiling, really, in Northern Ireland,

0:22:040:22:07

as to what I can achieve in my industry.

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But with New Zealand, growing grapes and producing wine,

0:22:090:22:12

there are a lot more opportunities for me to progress in my career

0:22:120:22:16

and potentially earn a little extra money.

0:22:160:22:18

As part of Andrew and Katrina's trip, we've arranged for them

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to check out the local job market.

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If I was to look ahead from when we're in Northern Ireland,

0:22:250:22:28

today is the one that I probably had most reservations about because

0:22:280:22:31

everything falls on what we're worth and what we can expect to be paid.

0:22:310:22:35

Andrew has come to one of the country's most iconic wine

0:22:350:22:38

producers to meet its owner, Sir George Fistonich.

0:22:380:22:41

This is our main bottling plant for New Zealand.

0:22:410:22:44

So, all the wine from Marlborough, Otago, Gisborne,

0:22:460:22:49

and Hawke's Bay all comes up here.

0:22:490:22:52

While Andrew samples the winery, Katrina's gone to meet with

0:22:520:22:55

a recruitment agency in Auckland's central business district.

0:22:550:22:58

-Hi, Katrina. I'm Julie Cressey, nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you.

0:22:580:23:01

Come this way. Let's go and have a conversation.

0:23:010:23:04

This chat could give Katrina the inspiration

0:23:040:23:06

she needs to follow Andrew's dream.

0:23:060:23:08

So, what kind of work are you wanting to do,

0:23:080:23:10

-if you come to New Zealand?

-I'd be flexible.

0:23:100:23:12

The role I'm in at the moment,

0:23:120:23:13

essentially started as an administrative role and then

0:23:130:23:16

-it developed into sales, so, I see my strengths in both areas, so...

-Great.

0:23:160:23:21

Would you consider temporary work rather than just permanent work?

0:23:210:23:24

I think initially I'd look at temporary work

0:23:240:23:26

until I could get my bearings and understand the culture

0:23:260:23:28

and the work environment that Auckland offers, and obviously,

0:23:280:23:33

if I found a position in a temporary role then maybe it would lead

0:23:330:23:35

into a more permanent role with that business, then that would be great.

0:23:350:23:39

'Katrina hopes her positive attitude will take her a long way.'

0:23:390:23:42

So, you've seen my CV.

0:23:420:23:43

Do you think it would be possible for me to get a job in New Zealand,

0:23:430:23:46

-do you think?

-I think definitely you could.

0:23:460:23:48

The nice thing about you, Katrina, is you're prepared to be flexible,

0:23:480:23:51

so the fact that you've got the sales experience

0:23:510:23:53

and you've got the office management experience

0:23:530:23:55

and you don't mind which way you go, and you're prepared to consider both

0:23:550:23:58

permanent and temporary work, would mean you've got a lot more

0:23:580:24:01

opportunities available in the market here.

0:24:010:24:03

This should really help Andrew's sales pitch for New Zealand,

0:24:030:24:06

but will his opportunities be as promising?

0:24:060:24:08

OK, George, I suppose the big question is...you've seen my CV,

0:24:080:24:12

theoretically speaking, would someone with my experience be

0:24:120:24:17

employable for a company such as yourself?

0:24:170:24:21

Um, I think actually your background in both sales, hospitality

0:24:210:24:25

and obviously with a little bit of training, you'd find it

0:24:250:24:28

very easy, I think, to fit in and get a job in New Zealand, yeah.

0:24:280:24:31

'Andrew's also keen to hear about promotion opportunities.'

0:24:310:24:34

We have sales people, um, right from Dunedin at the bottom

0:24:340:24:38

of the South Island to the top of the North Island.

0:24:380:24:41

So, um, with 25 people, people come and go periodically,

0:24:410:24:46

so opportunities open up, yeah.

0:24:460:24:48

'This is exactly what he was hoping for. Back in the city

0:24:480:24:51

'Katrina's talking money.'

0:24:510:24:53

From a sales perspective, it would be dependent

0:24:530:24:56

on the size of the organisation and your responsibility, but it would

0:24:560:24:59

range potentially from maybe 60,000 right through to 85,000.

0:24:590:25:03

Um, and the office management role,

0:25:030:25:06

slightly smaller range just purely

0:25:060:25:07

because of the amount of roles in that particular area, and you'll be

0:25:070:25:10

looking anywhere from again 60,000 probably to 65,000 or 70,000.

0:25:100:25:15

Amazing! Katrina could earn over £20,000 more in New Zealand,

0:25:150:25:20

but can Andrew gain as much?

0:25:200:25:22

What might I expect as far as a salary in New Zealand?

0:25:220:25:25

If you're looking at a straight-out territory manager's role, uh...

0:25:250:25:30

you'd be around about the...

0:25:300:25:32

brackets around about 60,000, plus a company car,

0:25:320:25:37

which is usually valued at to 15,000 to 20,000.

0:25:370:25:41

You have a wine allowance and then we have a bonus structure

0:25:410:25:44

over and above that.

0:25:440:25:46

That's a similar wage to back home, so not exactly what Andrew

0:25:460:25:49

was hoping for, but there will be opportunities to progress here.

0:25:490:25:53

'The couple meet up to share their news.'

0:25:530:25:55

Yeah, so we had a good talk, we walked through the winery

0:25:550:25:58

and we chatted about a few things.

0:25:580:26:00

A very dynamic company and there's a lot of training

0:26:000:26:03

and a lot of progression.

0:26:030:26:04

Not quite sure whereabouts the money would sit, so that's something

0:26:040:26:08

I need to investigate a little bit further, but it starts at 60

0:26:080:26:11

and that's something that would be very desponding.

0:26:110:26:13

I just couldn't consider that, um, from where I'm coming from.

0:26:130:26:17

It's not what I've been looking for.

0:26:170:26:18

Despite great news for Katrina, today's been a let down for Andrew.

0:26:180:26:22

So, will they opt of work in New Zealand or the UK?

0:26:220:26:25

We've both had a look at employment opportunities in New Zealand

0:26:250:26:28

and now we both vote for...

0:26:280:26:30

..undecided.

0:26:370:26:38

New Zealand.

0:26:380:26:40

It's no surprise you've voted for New Zealand after that

0:26:400:26:42

-bit of good news.

-Yeah, I know.

-So, are you coming round?

0:26:420:26:45

I'm coming round, yeah, absolutely,

0:26:450:26:46

-if I thought I could make that kind of money.

-Absolutely.

0:26:460:26:49

-That'd be great, wouldn't it?

-Absolutely. What about you?

0:26:490:26:52

-Undecided?

-Yeah. It's a difficult one, isn't it?

0:26:520:26:54

After my meeting today, I'm a bit concerned that the pay's not going

0:26:540:26:57

to live up to what I expect, so I need to do a little bit more

0:26:570:27:00

research and maybe find out a little bit more.

0:27:000:27:02

Andrew's always been the driving force behind a move to

0:27:070:27:11

New Zealand, but after hearing about her work opportunities,

0:27:110:27:14

Katrina could be starting to see some potential in his plans.

0:27:140:27:19

So, will an opportunity to sample New Zealand's lifestyle bring

0:27:190:27:22

the whole family a step closer to Andrew's dream?

0:27:220:27:25

In the UK, Hannah's mad about horse riding and is lucky enough to

0:27:280:27:32

have her own pony stabled at her grandparents' house.

0:27:320:27:35

Dad's promised her a pony in New Zealand too,

0:27:370:27:39

-so today she's trying out a local riding school.

-Beautiful!

0:27:390:27:43

Nice and straight. Good girl.

0:27:430:27:45

She's a lovely horse to ride. She really is.

0:27:450:27:47

She's got a lovely feel to her.

0:27:470:27:49

Katrina's relieved to see Hannah enjoying herself.

0:27:490:27:52

I suppose, one of my concerns about coming over was that

0:27:520:27:55

Hannah's expectation of what New Zealand could deliver

0:27:550:27:57

might not come to light,

0:27:570:27:59

but it's actually more than come to light.

0:27:590:28:01

Getting the opportunity to come here today

0:28:010:28:03

for her to meet like-minded people,

0:28:030:28:05

for her to ride a pony not that far removed from her own pony at home

0:28:050:28:09

and in an outdoor arena, even for me, as loathe as I am to admit it,

0:28:090:28:13

it's just fantastic. I could see myself here

0:28:130:28:15

quite frequently, quite often with her, yeah.

0:28:150:28:18

That was amazing!

0:28:180:28:20

It feels so good to be on a horse!

0:28:200:28:22

While the girls settle into the local equestrian scene,

0:28:220:28:25

the boys head off for a round of golf at a course close to

0:28:250:28:28

where they're staying.

0:28:280:28:29

-This should be good fun.

-Yeah.

0:28:290:28:32

Josh is good with a hurling stick, but he's never been

0:28:320:28:34

golfing before, so the day starts with a quick lesson.

0:28:340:28:37

A little bit of a jiggle... I think you're ready to play golf.

0:28:370:28:40

Not bad for a beginner.

0:28:430:28:45

So, wide...nice grip...wide...

0:28:460:28:48

Right through and finish like a champ.

0:28:480:28:51

Good boy! Good on you!

0:28:510:28:52

Very good, Josh. I think you and Dad are ready to have

0:28:530:28:56

-a game on the course. There we go.

-Great.

-We'll get some clubs.

0:28:560:28:59

Fantastic. Thank you for your instructions, that's brilliant.

0:28:590:29:02

He did awesome.

0:29:020:29:03

Keen to get out and at it, the boys head onto the course.

0:29:030:29:07

I've played football, hurling and Gaelic,

0:29:070:29:09

but I haven't played golf before.

0:29:090:29:11

-So, it's good fun.

-It's good.

0:29:110:29:14

At the riding stables, Hannah's lesson is over

0:29:140:29:17

and she's found a friend in the instructor's daughter, Amanda.

0:29:170:29:20

Oh, today's lesson was so much fun. I loved it.

0:29:200:29:23

-It was really good cos you ride him really nicely.

-Aww, thank you.

0:29:230:29:27

Has today been enough to put Hannah firmly on her dad's side?

0:29:270:29:31

Oh, it's gorgeous! And if we live, Mummy, in New Zealand,

0:29:310:29:34

I want to live somewhere near here

0:29:340:29:35

and then we're going to go riding together

0:29:350:29:37

and we were talking about it and it all sounds so fun.

0:29:370:29:40

-'The pony camps and all!

-You've made a friend there with Amanda.

-I know.

0:29:400:29:44

'She's lovely, so she is.'

0:29:440:29:45

But are Josh and Andrew having as much fun on the golf course?

0:29:450:29:49

Whenever you hit it, I'll lift it out.

0:29:490:29:51

OK, that looks pretty professional.

0:29:510:29:53

Oops!

0:29:560:29:57

Stop!

0:29:580:30:00

THEY LAUGH

0:30:000:30:02

If I win it, you buy the ice cream.

0:30:030:30:05

If I win it, you get the ice cream.

0:30:060:30:09

Oh, ho, ho!

0:30:090:30:11

Yeah, I think I might be getting ice cream!

0:30:130:30:16

-Well done.

-Yeah, well done.

0:30:160:30:18

The family reunite in the park to reflect on their week so far

0:30:180:30:22

and the decision ahead.

0:30:220:30:23

'The weather had been absolutely fantastic

0:30:230:30:25

'and that's a big part of the reason that'

0:30:250:30:28

I'm kind of trying to push the move, to push the family for the move.

0:30:280:30:31

I think the lifestyle with the weather, it's just...

0:30:310:30:33

It's certainly a lot more outdoor living, isn't it?

0:30:330:30:36

I can't disagree with that. No, it's absolutely brilliant.

0:30:360:30:38

But will this be the turning point Andrew's hoping for?

0:30:380:30:41

As the family cast their vote,

0:30:410:30:43

will they choose lifestyle in New Zealand or the UK?

0:30:430:30:46

Based on the New Zealand lifestyle that we've seen today,

0:30:460:30:49

we vote for...

0:30:490:30:50

ALL: New Zealand!

0:30:550:30:58

Full house! Yay! Woo!

0:30:580:30:59

Happy days. That's a first.

0:30:590:31:01

Good. I knew you were going to.

0:31:010:31:03

You had such a fantastic day today on the horse.

0:31:030:31:05

-Yes, it was great fun.

-Good, so that's you convinced.

0:31:050:31:09

-JOSH:

-Well, I like golf now.

0:31:090:31:12

-What about you?

-No, I really enjoyed today.

-Oh, great.

-I think it's great.

0:31:120:31:15

You can't deny that it's a fantastic country with the sunshine

0:31:150:31:18

and...no, it's brilliant, yeah.

0:31:180:31:20

With everyone falling for the outdoor lifestyle,

0:31:250:31:28

it looks like Andrew's dream is a step closer to reality,

0:31:280:31:32

but the family still need to make the finances work.

0:31:320:31:35

They believe their property in the UK is worth £230,000

0:31:350:31:39

and need every penny if they're to make the move.

0:31:390:31:43

We've sent round two estate agents to give professional valuations.

0:31:430:31:46

Now we're through into the main reception room of the house,

0:31:460:31:49

the main lounge.

0:31:490:31:51

Very, very bright aspect to this room with the double front windows and

0:31:510:31:55

the double doorway leading through into the kitchen area of the house.

0:31:550:31:59

Very nice Shaker style kitchen, plenty of space

0:31:590:32:02

and a nice island in the middle of it.

0:32:020:32:04

Now we're through into the games room, play room of the house.

0:32:040:32:07

Again with all the sporting trophies that this family has obtained

0:32:070:32:11

here with the equestrian trophies and someone's got a very,

0:32:110:32:15

very good taste in rugby with the New Zealand flag here,

0:32:150:32:17

but a very, very good sized room.

0:32:170:32:20

Now...master bedroom,

0:32:210:32:23

nice sized bedroom.

0:32:230:32:25

-It doesn't look as big on camera, does it?

-No.

-Cos they're big rooms.

0:32:250:32:28

A nice house in a good development here, now, we would,

0:32:290:32:33

if we were selling this here, we would be putting it

0:32:330:32:36

on the market somewhere offers over 170, hoping maybe to get 175.

0:32:360:32:40

I would be quite happy to market this property in this very desirable area

0:32:400:32:44

of Cushendall at offers around

0:32:440:32:46

170 to 175, with a quick sale asking price of 160.

0:32:460:32:51

-Oh, my goodness.

-That's not good.

-We wouldn't make a penny on that.

0:32:510:32:55

-No, no.

-Not one bean would we make on that house.

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With their house valued at around £50,000 less

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than they were expecting, Andrew's plans could be heading for a crash.

0:33:020:33:06

While the children play outside,

0:33:060:33:08

the couple sit down to figure out

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how much living in New Zealand would cost,

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starting with the weekly food shop.

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So, a whole chicken in New Zealand is £7.27...

0:33:140:33:17

-Wow.

-..as opposed to £5.07 at home.

0:33:180:33:21

That's a big difference, isn't it?

0:33:220:33:24

There's a lot that's going the other way as well.

0:33:240:33:26

So, I mean, there's a lot... It's kind of 50/50.

0:33:260:33:29

Fingers crossed things will balance out when it comes to the total.

0:33:290:33:32

And this is the interesting part.

0:33:320:33:34

-The total UK shop was £165.21.

-Yeah.

0:33:340:33:38

And the New Zealand shop was £175.74.

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So, £10's difference. I'm surprised about that.

0:33:410:33:44

I thought New Zealand would be more expensive.

0:33:440:33:46

I thought it would be much more expensive.

0:33:460:33:48

I thought that was really going to blow the budget that one,

0:33:480:33:51

-so that's interesting and kind of encouraging, really.

-Yeah.

0:33:510:33:54

Every penny counts.

0:33:540:33:55

The couple are basing their figures on the second property they viewed.

0:33:550:33:59

So, will Katrina's potential higher earnings be enough to cancel

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out any loss on their house in the UK?

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On the outgoings alone, we're £129.04 better off per month.

0:34:050:34:10

Brilliant, but then we need to consider how much

0:34:100:34:12

better off we are with the...

0:34:120:34:14

With the income? OK, so let's add the income on that one.

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£1,635...

0:34:170:34:20

..plus...

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-Oh, my gosh.

-Woo-hoo!

0:34:240:34:27

So, £1,764.04 better off.

0:34:270:34:31

-My gosh. Wow.

-I know! Brilliant.

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Unbelievable, isn't it?

0:34:340:34:36

-Fantastic.

-I mean, you get a trip home.

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-You know, that was a big thing for you was to get a trip home.

-Yeah.

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Andrew couldn't have wished for a better result,

0:34:420:34:44

so with the sums adding up, how will Katrina vote now?

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Based on what we've found out today, we vote for...

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BOTH: New Zealand!

0:35:010:35:03

Yay!

0:35:030:35:05

That was a bit of a no-brainer, really.

0:35:050:35:07

It was quite an easy vote, wasn't it?

0:35:070:35:09

That was amazing what we found out there.

0:35:090:35:11

Certainly, disappointing on the value of the house.

0:35:110:35:13

-Yeah, but we're almost a whole salary better off.

-Yeah.

-Yeah, so...

-Great.

0:35:130:35:17

Having lived in Northern Ireland for the last 18 years,

0:35:230:35:26

Andrew would love the chance to spend more time

0:35:260:35:29

with his extended family.

0:35:290:35:30

Tonight, they're enjoying a rare opportunity to pop round

0:35:320:35:36

to his brother's house for a barbecue.

0:35:360:35:38

-You put that on there, you walk away.

-That's it. That's it done.

0:35:380:35:42

That's my kind of barbecue.

0:35:430:35:45

If they move, Andrew's family could potentially be

0:35:450:35:48

living on their doorstep,

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but will knowing they don't have to make friends from scratch

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make things any easier for Katrina and the children?

0:35:520:35:55

The kids have had an absolute great time.

0:35:550:35:57

Josh, I knew he was going to have a great time anyway.

0:35:570:35:59

He wanted to come over from pretty much

0:35:590:36:01

when we went home to the island three years ago.

0:36:010:36:05

Katrina took a little bit of convincing.

0:36:050:36:07

Hannah has obviously taken a little bit of convincing as well because

0:36:070:36:10

she's making a big sacrifice in leaving her horse or pony back home.

0:36:100:36:14

Um, they're both going to miss their grandparents

0:36:140:36:16

and that's going to be the tough thing.

0:36:160:36:18

Katrina and Andrew's sister-in-law are enjoying catching up.

0:36:180:36:22

It's been three years since we've seen you all and

0:36:220:36:24

they all got on like a house on fire last time

0:36:240:36:27

and they're exactly the same...

0:36:270:36:28

-They picked up where they left off.

-I think so, yeah.

0:36:280:36:31

-Good old Skype and the phone.

-Yeah, exactly.

0:36:310:36:33

Yeah, well, Josh, his only condition is, if we move over,

0:36:330:36:36

can we be close to Tyler and Kaylin.

0:36:360:36:38

Tonight's just another glimpse of what life could be like

0:36:380:36:41

if the Schnells do move to New Zealand

0:36:410:36:43

and Andrew's desperate to grasp it with both hands.

0:36:430:36:46

-Cheers!

-Cheers!

-Absolutely, yeah.

0:36:460:36:49

-Adventures down under!

-Absolutely.

0:36:490:36:51

This is living, isn't it? This is Kiwi living, Katrina.

0:36:530:36:56

-Could you get used to this, do you think?

-I think so, yes!

0:36:560:37:00

THEY LAUGH

0:37:000:37:01

Andrew's attempts at selling his homeland seem to be paying off,

0:37:070:37:10

but while moving would mean more time with his family, it would also

0:37:100:37:14

mean leaving Katrina's behind, and that's been a big concern for her.

0:37:140:37:19

The Schnells have decided to watch

0:37:190:37:21

messages from friends and family together.

0:37:210:37:23

It's a reminder of what they'd have to give up in the UK.

0:37:230:37:26

-Hi!

-Hello, everybody! How are you?

-Hi, Katrina! Andrew!

0:37:260:37:30

Hi, Katrina and Andrew and kids.

0:37:300:37:32

Andrew, in the summertime, has been known to give us a little taste

0:37:320:37:36

of New Zealand himself, cos he can cook up

0:37:360:37:39

quite a mean Kiwi barbecue...

0:37:390:37:42

in spite of the Northern Irish weather.

0:37:420:37:44

We have a family of girls and one son.

0:37:440:37:48

So, it was lovely from suddenly having a youngest son to

0:37:480:37:51

having an oldest son

0:37:510:37:52

for Katrina's siblings all to look up to, and to Hugh and I

0:37:520:37:57

to have an extra son in the family was just lovely.

0:37:570:38:01

I just love Katrina.

0:38:010:38:03

THEY LAUGH

0:38:030:38:05

-And she cooks lovely dinners.

-She cooks the best dinners!

0:38:050:38:08

She cooks the best Sunday dinner, yes.

0:38:080:38:10

The best dinners ever, yeah!

0:38:100:38:11

I've been friends with her all my life.

0:38:110:38:14

Um, she's...

0:38:140:38:15

..probably been like a sister growing up.

0:38:160:38:20

Hannah and Josh are very, very close to us.

0:38:200:38:22

They're both very, very good children and,

0:38:220:38:25

wherever they are in the world, it doesn't matter,

0:38:250:38:29

I'll always love them whether they're here or in New Zealand,

0:38:290:38:31

they'll never be out of my heart. They'll always be there.

0:38:310:38:35

Words wouldn't be able to describe how much I would miss her.

0:38:360:38:39

-Aww.

-She's...

0:38:390:38:42

been a big part of my life.

0:38:420:38:44

We love you all very, very much and we will so miss you.

0:38:440:38:48

-We'll miss you.

-And I hope you know that.

0:38:480:38:51

Mum and Dad will be grand, Katrina, as well.

0:38:510:38:54

It'll be really tough for them to see you go,

0:38:540:38:57

especially with Hannah and Josh

0:38:570:38:59

and they'll miss Andrew too. Um...

0:38:590:39:01

..but they'll be OK.

0:39:020:39:04

I love you all dearly.

0:39:040:39:06

And there'll always be a part of me with you, no matter where you are.

0:39:060:39:10

And...

0:39:100:39:11

I'll back you whatever you want to do.

0:39:110:39:13

And whatever decision you make,

0:39:130:39:15

we will back you and we will always,

0:39:150:39:17

always love you no matter where in the world you are,

0:39:170:39:20

there's a part of you here in my heart

0:39:200:39:22

and there's a part of me, I hope, in all of your hearts.

0:39:220:39:25

She got me in the end, right there! I was holding it together.

0:39:350:39:39

Nice words. Really nice words.

0:39:390:39:41

I know, I know and there was no surprises, but it still got me.

0:39:410:39:44

You missed a spot.

0:39:440:39:46

-You know that you've got their full support.

-Yeah.

0:39:470:39:50

And we know that they don't really want us to leave,

0:39:500:39:52

but, you know, if we believe this is the right move for us

0:39:520:39:56

as a family and the right thing,

0:39:560:39:58

particularly for the future of these two, and if they've got maybe

0:39:580:40:01

more opportunities out here, they will support us in that move.

0:40:010:40:04

The messages from back home were upsetting,

0:40:070:40:10

but for Katrina, hearing everyone will be OK if they move

0:40:100:40:14

could be the final push she needs to commit to a new life in New Zealand.

0:40:140:40:19

When they arrived a week ago,

0:40:220:40:23

Andrew was on a mission to convince his wife and daughter

0:40:230:40:26

they could have a better quality of life in his native country.

0:40:260:40:30

'You know, I don't want to come here with an unhappy family, because that

0:40:300:40:33

'is pointless, you know, so there's no point doing that.'

0:40:330:40:36

We've got to be happy together as a family and...

0:40:360:40:38

You know? And to see Katrina and the two kids smiling and happy

0:40:380:40:42

and just enjoying ourselves as a family is, well,

0:40:420:40:44

that's the ambition, you know, that's what I want.

0:40:440:40:48

But after three years of discussion,

0:40:480:40:50

he knows what happens next will be final.

0:40:500:40:53

I always said from the outset that, whatever happens in this week,

0:40:530:40:57

if we decide to move to New Zealand or

0:40:570:40:59

if we decide to stay in Northern Ireland, it was really going to have

0:40:590:41:02

to put the decision in the box and, you know, put that box well away.

0:41:020:41:06

Josh has always been on his dad's side

0:41:060:41:08

and can definitely see the attraction of moving.

0:41:080:41:11

It's really good. It's like Ireland except way warmer.

0:41:110:41:14

But has the week done enough to bring Katrina

0:41:140:41:16

and Hannah round to the boys' way of thinking?

0:41:160:41:19

I don't really know what kind of expectation I had.

0:41:190:41:21

Part of me really wanted it to work

0:41:210:41:23

because I didn't want Andrew to be disappointed,

0:41:230:41:25

and the other part of me felt guilty that if it did work it would

0:41:250:41:28

mean that I would have to say goodbye to family and friends back home.

0:41:280:41:33

I think it's been a big adventure and it's been wonderful to

0:41:330:41:36

experience what life's like in New Zealand.

0:41:360:41:38

So, will Andrew achieve his dream?

0:41:380:41:41

Time to find out as the family finally decide

0:41:410:41:44

whether to move to the other side of the world or stay in the UK.

0:41:440:41:48

Based on our week in New Zealand, we are going to vote for...

0:41:490:41:52

ALL: New Zealand!

0:42:010:42:02

Woo-hoo! Full house! Yes!

0:42:030:42:05

I think we're moving!

0:42:070:42:09

THEY LAUGH

0:42:090:42:10

-Oh, well, that's fantastic.

-Yeah.

-We're on the same page.

0:42:100:42:13

What was the big thing that made you change your mind from being "uhhh?"

0:42:130:42:17

-Sunshine.

-Sunshine?

-Sunshine!

0:42:170:42:19

Sunshine and just bright colours and everything, and then going onto

0:42:190:42:24

Facebook and seeing everybody still wearing 300 layers and digging out of snow, you know.

0:42:240:42:28

You won't change your mind when we go back?

0:42:280:42:31

I'll probably shake my resolve a few times and I'll question myself,

0:42:310:42:34

but, no, ultimately, I'm happy with the decision.

0:42:340:42:36

What about you, Hannah, cos you were not so sure,

0:42:380:42:40

having to leave your own pony and Granny and Papa?

0:42:400:42:43

That horse riding in the week just changed my mind about everything.

0:42:430:42:46

Fantastic.

0:42:460:42:47

A full deck of cards for New Zealand means Andrew's job is finally done.

0:42:590:43:05

After years of trying,

0:43:050:43:06

he's managed to convince his family their future lies in his homeland.

0:43:060:43:11

We wish them all the very best for their new life down under.

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