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It was the last leg of a long journey.

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I was trying to find a man

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who'd been wanted by the British police for nearly 50 years.

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I did have the feeling that he wanted to be somebody -

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to end up having done something quite important.

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First, he'd planned to be a priest.

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Then he became a secret agent.

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He said to me, "Are you one of us?"

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And I said, "What do you mean, George?"

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"George" was George Blake,

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the most damaging British traitor of the Cold War.

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What Blake did

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is what a good spy is supposed to do...

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..to obtain highly protected secrets from a foreign government.

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The trouble was, those secrets were ours.

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He toyed with me like a gambler.

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How long can you gamble?

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He's continued to deny

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that he was responsible for getting people killed.

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And there he was, in the window -

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the spy who got away.

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I was a bit sorry, in a way -

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because we all liked George.

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I never, for one single moment,

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thought that he was anything but British...

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..though there was a slight, greasy look about him -

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which gave me the idea that he might have some...

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perhaps Jewish blood in him,

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or perhaps something oriental -

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tinge of oriental, somewhere.

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In fact, George Blake was born here in Holland, in 1922 -

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and his name was "Behar", not "Blake".

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His father, Albert, was a British subject,

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but was neither Dutch nor English.

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He named his son "George" after the King of England,

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but did little else to make him feel British.

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Indeed, as Blake's biographer Roger Hermiston found out,

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he scarcely communicated with his son at all...

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Albert spoke English

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and he spoke French.

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What he didn't speak - astonishingly,

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because he lived in Rotterdam,

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he made his business, he made his home in Rotterdam -

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he didn't speak Dutch.

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..and George in those days spoke nothing but Dutch.

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His father had a business

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on the ground floor of their canal side house,

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making tough gloves for dock workers.

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But he remained an outsider in his family's city.

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He was a man who liked to keep himself to himself.

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He was a man with secrets.

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I get no sense at all that George Blake and his father

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had any normal father-son relationship.

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Not surprisingly, George grew closer to his mother...

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..and that, in time, meant closer to God.

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Catherine Behar belonged to

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a liberal branch of the Protestant church

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and this was where she prayed,

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among like-minded members of the Dutch upper-middle-class.

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George says he wanted to become a pastor himself,

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though in the stricter Calvinist Church of working people.

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Then suddenly, everything in his solemn young life turns upside down.

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A worldwide slump hits the family business.

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Albert falls ill and dies.

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His mother, in their house by the canal,

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is struggling to pay the bills...

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..when out of the blue, a fairy godmother enters the story.

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His father, it turned out, had a sister called Zephira -

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and Zephira lived in Egypt, in a palace.

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And so, it was to here that George was sent to complete his education.

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It was a magnificent life, because they were very rich,

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there were a lot of servants -

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servants come from Nubia -

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the south of Egypt.

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And it was very beautiful,

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the house, with a very big garden.

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It was on Zamalek -

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it was the high land of Cairo,

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where the rich people lived at that time.

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Cousin Sylvie knows all the family stories.

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The head of the family was a banker called Daniel Curiel

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and George, it emerged, was half Jewish -

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grandson of a carpet dealer in Istanbul.

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George was astonished at the beginning,

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because also he was very puritan,

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so he was not used to such a noisy life!

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George must have wondered who he was, where he came from,

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what he believed in.

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Was he now a Calvinist, a Lutheran?

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Or was he Jewish?

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Was he Dutch? Was he Egyptian?

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Or what?

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His new family made sure he learnt French and English

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and turned him into a citizen of the world.

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But they did much more than that.

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This is the authorised history of MI5.

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"There was much that SIS had failed to discover...

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"about their new recruit" - that's Blake -

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"notably the influence on him of his older cousin, Henri Curiel,

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"co-founder of the Egyptian Communist Party."

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Here is the grave of Henri Curiel.

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1978... "Assassine"?

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Yes.

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Henri Curiel was murdered here, at his house in Paris.

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No-one was ever caught.

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"Fallen in the struggle for socialism and peace,

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"to which he dedicated his life."

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When they first met, Henri had been a playboy

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and George a bit of a prude -

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but the next two years changed both of them.

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SHE SPEAKS FRENCH

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Back in Holland,

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George's family had moved to a seaside town near The Hague.

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As the summer ended, Germany invaded Poland.

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So instead of Cairo,

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he returned to school in Rotterdam -

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and to yet another shock.

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They came over our house in Utrecht, flying at low altitude.

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You could see these pilots in the cockpit looking down at us

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and we looked back at them.

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Louis Wesseling, later a close friend of Blake's,

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was also a schoolboy then.

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My mother said,

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"This is a flagrant insult to our impartiality in wars", you know?

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And I said, "Mother, you're wrong.

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"It is war.

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"It's totally different.

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"Your world has changed - and mine too."

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George was in Rotterdam with his grandmother,

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trapped in the eye of the storm,

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like the nearby family of Robert van Voren.

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What I have here is a film made by my grandfather,

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who was an amateur filmer.

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This is Rotterdam, from his balcony.

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So these are the German bombers, the Junkers.

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Here, you see images of the bombing itself.

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This is the harbour.

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We saw... the ashes of Rotterdam landed in Utrecht.

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The sky was red and we knew it was terrible.

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From her home by the sea,

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George's mother tried desperately to contact her son.

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But when the Dutch royal family headed for England,

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she faced a stark choice.

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The last ship was leaving and she had two daughters to protect.

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When George finally reached home,

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all he found were the remains of breakfast on the kitchen table.

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He was not yet 18.

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We shall fight on the beaches,

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we shall fight on the landing grounds,

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we shall fight in the fields and in the streets.

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We shall fight in the hills...

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Stirred by British defiance,

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George Behar wanted to join the fight.

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After some scrapes with the German occupation forces,

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he made contact with the embryonic Dutch resistance.

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Terrified he was not.

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He loved the atmosphere of illegality.

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He liked the romance of it.

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He liked living life on the edge.

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He liked being in danger.

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But there was little - beyond running messages -

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he could do in Holland to hasten victory.

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So in July 1942,

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he set off on a hair-raising journey through occupied France

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and into Spain.

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What I now understand is that we are war children.

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You have peace children, you have war children.

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Our lives are drenched in war.

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Having been part of the resistance, having seen the bloodshed,

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I think there is a...

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Especially when you still have this young age,

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this kind of determination to never let this happen again.

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By January 1943, he was heading for England...

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..where a new name, a new job

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and a chance to change the world awaited him.

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"If any person having any possession of document

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"communicates to foreign power...

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"shall be guilty of misdemeanour."

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This is the document that Blake signed

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when he was first recruited by MI6 -

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as the Secret Intelligence Service was known.

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His resourcefulness in reaching England had impressed them

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and he was sent to work in Broadway Buildings,

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one of the many MI6 offices dotted around London's political zone.

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He was joining an elite,

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where the usual entry ticket was the right school

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or the right family.

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I think my father knew somebody called Guy Westmacott,

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who was in MI6 - and they were looking for...

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..for girls to come and do the typing.

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We always had to say we worked in the Foreign Office...

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..and...

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we weren't actually even in the building.

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Susan Asquith, as she then was,

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had just arrived there from a stint

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typing for the codebreakers at Bletchley.

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In keeping with the times, the best jobs went to the boys.

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My cousin, she was always saying,

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all the ones she knew were frightfully stupid.

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The head of the whole thing came down to Bletchley.

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She said, my God - it's not him.

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And he was somebody she used to go hunting with.

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She said, "Well, that really does condemn you, doesn't it?"

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One of her tasks was to sort incoming messages -

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and that's where she met George Blake,

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on secondment from his official job in the Royal Navy.

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George used to come in practically every day and just...

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I mean, not that I knew him well or anything, but he used to

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come and have a cup of tea and wait for his telegram and all that.

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He was much more amusing to talk to

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than most of the people who wandered in to pass the time of day.

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He loved talking about religion and...

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How he couldn't...

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He was going to be a priest, but he couldn't really, now.

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I don't know why.

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Something to do with...

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He was quite religious, was he?

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Yes, very.

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But he had a Walter Mitty streak too,

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regaling his new friends with stories

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about being dropped by parachute into Holland.

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George himself was dropped in, as you know.

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On... I forget on how many occasions.

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And it always had to be at night.

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Was she absolutely certain about this, I asked?

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About being dropped in? Yes, he said he was terrified.

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Because you never knew when the land was going to come up to meet you.

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Because, you know? Dark and all that.

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He said he was dropped in...

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I forget how many times - several times.

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Really?

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He easily exaggerated, you know?

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And how.

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These airborne liberators of the southern provinces of the Netherlands

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were greeted and assisted

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by enthusiastic Dutch underground forces.

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He'd never, in fact, been dropped into Holland -

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though when the war ended, he did go back there,

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accompanied - among others - by Iris Peake.

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I'd been moved to the Dutch section a few months before

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and then, I can't remember how it happened,

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but we were asked if we would go out to...

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..The Hague and work there for a few weeks.

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Iris was from a grand English family -

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light years away from a Dutch refugee.

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He was always great fun.

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Everybody liked him.

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They took over a house in a place called Wassenaar

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which is quite near The Hague, right on the coast there.

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And there were quite a lot of men working there.

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And then there was another place, where we had our bedrooms.

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The girls slept over in this other bit of the house.

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It must have been disconcerting for Blake -

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feted as a liberator,

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whilst the countrymen of his childhood were close to starvation.

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It was like arriving in a completely sort of dead place,

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rather like going to the moon, or something.

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When we first arrived, there was no food there.

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They were eating the tulip bulbs for food.

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We were like skeletons

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and the boys - they were nothing like the boys

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that liberated us, who were well fed, self-assured.

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We were shadows of our own selves.

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And the girls at the time were a big problem for us,

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because they felt attracted to these healthy soldiers that came.

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At a political level too, there were tensions.

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The euphoria of victory soon gave way to rivalry

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between the West and the Soviet Union.

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There were millions of displaced persons,

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wandering all over Europe -

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many of whom were swearing loyalty and fealty to the West,

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because they didn't want to be sent back East,

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where they would face prison or worse.

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Tim Weiner sifted through thousands of CIA documents

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to compile a history of the period.

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Who loves whom? Who hates whom?

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Who's who?

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We don't know -

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and in these two years,

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between the death of Adolf Hitler

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and the advent of the Cold War,

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there is a state of chaos.

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Blake, somewhat displaced himself,

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thrived in his new job.

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I felt he was ambitious, that he wanted to be somebody -

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as if he wanted to be famous.

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But in what direction, I don't know.

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Some thought that one direction he'd have liked was closer to Iris.

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The euphoria of victory was one thing,

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social realities another.

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Did you stay in touch, when you came back to England?

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Well, yes. I mean, we were both still at MI6, then.

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So we sort of... We had lunch from time to time and then he was...

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I think he was sent to Cambridge, to learn Russian.

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So I really lost touch with him, then, yes.

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Cambridge had been the breeding ground of

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an earlier generation of gentleman traitors...

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..but being sent there by MI6 to learn Russian

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was a mark of the confidence they now had in Blake.

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He was put on their permanent staff -

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in effect, translated from useful outsider to "one of us".

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But Blake, in a seminal interview

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given when he first broke his silence more than 20 years ago,

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says it was precisely the moment

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when he began to drift the other way.

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I think it was one of the decisive moments in my conversion,

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although I didn't realise that myself then.

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And the Professor of Russian was Dr Elizabeth Hill

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and somehow, she managed, in her tutorials

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to inspire into her pupils

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and certainly in me

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a very great admiration -

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I would say romantic admiration -

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for everything Russian.

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But even his favourite tutor thought he was a man apart.

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Accommodation for the officers on the course

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had been arranged in this college,

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but Blake chose instead to live in a village outside the city.

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I'd say, "Why do you live in Madingly,

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"instead of with the other officers?"

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Which was very odd, to me.

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And he would say, "Oh, I like the exercise"

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which is a very poor answer.

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So I don't know whether he was not already left-wing,

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or even worse.

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Alan Judd is a historian of MI6

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and now writes about spies

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in fiction that has a ring of fact about it.

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He thinks Blake would have known he could never belong.

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Philby was much better at playing the game of being part of them,

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because Philby was, of course.

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He was the beloved child of the establishment.

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But Blake probably never had the social confidence,

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I would guess, that would have made him feel part of them,

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or not mind whether he was or not.

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He'd never lived here, he'd never been brought up,

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he hadn't been schooled here.

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You know, he didn't have that emotional thing to overcome...

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once he started to reject his country.

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Deep down, the man who'd once wanted to be a minister of the church

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was now questioning everything.

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Not just where he belonged, but what he believed in.

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In his autobiography, he offers with hindsight

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a theological defence for what he was about to do.

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He says he now came to believe that free will was an illusion.

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"No room for free will on the part of a human being."

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Everything is preordained

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and that sins themselves a part of God's will.

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"You cannot punish me for my sins

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"because my sins were put inside me and are not my fault."

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In other words, as he approaches the biggest choice of his life,

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there is no choice.

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It takes about two hours to get from Seoul

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to the frontier with North Korea.

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That's on a normal day.

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But there had been an exchange of gunfire across the line

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the day before we'd turned up -

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so everyone was a bit jumpy.

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OK, they've told us that the DMZ is closed to tours,

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so we're going down this road,

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to see if we can get closer to it ourselves.

0:21:140:21:17

Not quite sure where we're going, but let's see where it goes.

0:21:200:21:24

THEY SPEAK KOREAN

0:21:260:21:29

When George Blake arrived here in the autumn of 1948,

0:21:450:21:49

it was still technically one country,

0:21:490:21:51

though trouble between the two halves was obviously brewing.

0:21:510:21:56

The Communists were concentrated in the North -

0:21:560:21:59

American-leaning nationalists in the South.

0:21:590:22:01

There's a watchtower.

0:22:040:22:05

There's the DMZ -

0:22:090:22:11

the demilitarised zone.

0:22:110:22:12

Blake had a daunting task.

0:22:160:22:19

Those mountains over there are North Korea,

0:22:190:22:22

which was then a Russian sphere of influence.

0:22:220:22:25

His job was to target the Soviet city of Vladivostok,

0:22:250:22:29

about 500 miles beyond them.

0:22:290:22:31

He felt disillusioned, really quite quickly.

0:22:310:22:34

He felt that the scale of the task that he was being asked to tackle

0:22:340:22:38

was really beyond him.

0:22:380:22:40

Vladivostok, that he was supposed to be penetrating...

0:22:410:22:45

As far as the crow flies, may have not been that far,

0:22:450:22:48

but it was as if it was in another world.

0:22:480:22:50

The city was the focal point of Soviet strategy in the Far East.

0:22:560:23:00

Where is China? Where is Korea? Where is Russia?

0:23:020:23:06

HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN

0:23:060:23:08

Alexei Buyakov has worked closely with Russian intelligence for years.

0:23:210:23:25

It's the kind of assignment -

0:23:440:23:47

difficult, dangerous,

0:23:470:23:49

well-nigh impossible...

0:23:490:23:51

..that was given to intelligence officers

0:23:520:23:56

in the early days of the Cold War.

0:23:560:23:59

"Proceed forward to Vladivostok and recruit Russian-born agents,

0:23:590:24:03

"who will serve the West."

0:24:030:24:06

Now, how the hell are you going to do that?

0:24:060:24:08

Blake's base for Mission Impossible

0:24:090:24:12

was here at the British Legation in Seoul.

0:24:120:24:15

He was a month short of his 26th birthday and starting from scratch

0:24:150:24:20

in a city where British influence was negligible

0:24:200:24:23

and living conditions appalling.

0:24:230:24:24

There was nothing to eat.

0:24:260:24:27

There was very little in the way of basic human services,

0:24:270:24:32

like potable water.

0:24:320:24:34

The first thing that most American soldiers remember

0:24:340:24:38

is the stink of it -

0:24:380:24:40

not the stink of the dead,

0:24:400:24:42

but the stink of life.

0:24:420:24:44

The stink of corruption, too.

0:24:480:24:51

The American-backed regime of Syngman Rhee appalled Blake.

0:24:510:24:55

And with every month that passed, he says,

0:24:550:24:58

he became more disenchanted with his own side,

0:24:580:25:00

more sympathetic to the Communists.

0:25:000:25:02

I didn't feel anti-Communist by then -

0:25:020:25:05

certainly on a local level.

0:25:050:25:08

I remember the Minister of Education

0:25:080:25:12

having a big photograph of Hitler in his room.

0:25:120:25:14

And my sympathy already, by then,

0:25:140:25:18

was very much with the resistance, or the opposition.

0:25:180:25:21

ORGAN MUSIC

0:25:240:25:26

On Sunday morning, June 25, 1950,

0:25:260:25:29

George Blake was at a service in the crypt of the Anglican Cathedral.

0:25:290:25:34

The whisper went round

0:25:340:25:35

that the Communists were advancing on Seoul from the North.

0:25:350:25:38

As soon as the service was over,

0:25:410:25:43

Blake and the other diplomats hurried back to the legation.

0:25:430:25:47

Their standing instructions from London were that

0:25:470:25:50

Britain would remain neutral if civil war did break out,

0:25:500:25:53

so they should stay put.

0:25:530:25:55

It was a bad call.

0:26:000:26:02

Britain did not remain neutral

0:26:060:26:08

and by nightfall on Wednesday,

0:26:080:26:11

the North Koreans had entered the compound

0:26:110:26:13

and Blake and his colleagues were prisoners.

0:26:130:26:16

In the quiet town of Perry, Northern Florida

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lives one of the few men still alive who was a prisoner with Blake.

0:26:250:26:29

Ed Sheffield, whose company of 700 men

0:26:300:26:34

had been overwhelmed in the opening onslaught.

0:26:340:26:36

One guy ran up there,

0:26:360:26:38

kicked my rifle away from me,

0:26:380:26:42

kicked my helmet off my head

0:26:420:26:45

and motioned for me to get up.

0:26:450:26:48

And when I stood up,

0:26:490:26:51

he began to frighten me with a rifle butt, you know?

0:26:510:26:54

Here I am, right here.

0:27:010:27:03

Right there.

0:27:040:27:06

The North Koreans were mean people.

0:27:060:27:09

They didn't treat you good at all.

0:27:090:27:11

But nor, in the heat of war, did the Americans.

0:27:130:27:16

A massive counterattack began, driving the Communists back north.

0:27:170:27:21

The countryside was devastated

0:27:210:27:23

and so were the people beneath the bombardment,

0:27:230:27:26

including Blake and his fellow prisoners.

0:27:260:27:29

They kept moving us further and further north in their territory.

0:27:300:27:34

Sometimes by train, but the train was getting strafed too.

0:27:340:27:38

We were in box cars, cattle cars.

0:27:390:27:43

The planes would come in and bomb us and strafe us.

0:27:430:27:46

I guess it was American planes.

0:27:470:27:50

-Quite frightening, to be bombed by your own side.

-Yeah.

0:27:500:27:53

Blake and his friend Jean Meadmore felt in real danger.

0:27:560:28:00

He told me, "I don't want to die in North Korea."

0:28:000:28:04

He said that - George Blake said,

0:28:040:28:06

"Je ne veux pas mourir en Coree du Nord."

0:28:060:28:09

So despite his anti-Americanism,

0:28:090:28:12

it was to the Americans that he now decided to flee.

0:28:120:28:15

He told me, "I'm going to try to escape tonight.

0:28:150:28:17

"Do you come with me?"

0:28:170:28:18

I said "No.

0:28:180:28:20

"I haven't got the guts to do it,

0:28:200:28:22

"because I think it's absolutely doomed to failure.

0:28:220:28:26

"We haven't got a chance."

0:28:260:28:27

Nobody escaped from a Korean camp, nobody.

0:28:280:28:31

The guards had told us that if we tried to escape,

0:28:310:28:34

they'd catch us and they'd shoot us.

0:28:340:28:36

But Blake did try,

0:28:380:28:39

setting off under cover of darkness

0:28:390:28:42

to reach the advancing American troops.

0:28:420:28:44

It was a long way uphill.

0:28:440:28:47

Obviously fitter than me - two hours...

0:28:470:28:49

..up to the top of a ridge...

0:28:500:28:52

..and one more row on the other side, before suddenly,

0:28:530:28:57

out of the darkness...

0:28:570:28:59

It was a Korean soldier.

0:29:000:29:02

Blake says he first tried to convince his captors he was Russian,

0:29:040:29:09

but eventually admitted he was a British diplomat.

0:29:090:29:12

He was then taken to a cave,

0:29:140:29:17

where a small fire was burning.

0:29:170:29:19

He realises he's in big trouble and he gets put down in a corner,

0:29:190:29:23

given something to eat briefly

0:29:230:29:25

and told that he'd decide his future in the morning.

0:29:250:29:28

That could well have been the moment at which he said,

0:29:280:29:30

"Look, I'll cooperate, I'll tell you.

0:29:300:29:33

"I'm actually a member of MI6."

0:29:330:29:35

Blake has always vehemently denied that.

0:29:360:29:39

I didn't speak any Korean and in the time that I was away -

0:29:390:29:43

which included my walking to that place across the mountains -

0:29:430:29:47

and the time I was in the cave

0:29:470:29:49

and the time to walk back to the camp...

0:29:490:29:52

I couldn't possibly have made such a deal with anybody.

0:29:520:29:56

Maybe, but it's odd claiming he spoke no Korean,

0:29:560:29:59

given that he'd been there for two years

0:29:590:30:01

and was clearly having some sort of dialogue with his captors.

0:30:010:30:05

Whatever. When dawn broke, he was let off with a reprimand

0:30:050:30:10

and made to rejoin his fellow prisoners.

0:30:100:30:13

We were taken on what was known as a death march

0:30:130:30:17

and for the next three months,

0:30:170:30:19

we were in extremely harsh conditions.

0:30:190:30:22

I was, on one occasion,

0:30:220:30:24

beaten up and made to sit in the snow

0:30:240:30:27

for about four hours.

0:30:270:30:30

If I had been recruited by the Russians,

0:30:300:30:33

they would never have allowed me to be exposed to such danger -

0:30:330:30:38

and to the danger of losing a potentially very valuable agent.

0:30:380:30:42

What the Americans on that death march remember

0:30:430:30:47

is that the man who let Blake off

0:30:470:30:49

was not known for his mercy.

0:30:490:30:51

They called him "The Tiger".

0:30:510:30:53

My company commander got up and approached him,

0:30:530:30:56

told him that none of these men were able to go on a forced march

0:30:560:30:59

up through these rugged mountains.

0:30:590:31:01

The Tiger's reply was, "You will go or you will die."

0:31:010:31:05

So my commander called him a madman...

0:31:070:31:10

..and that was a mistake, because he called over two of his guards

0:31:120:31:16

and they took him, tied his hands behind him...

0:31:160:31:19

..took him up there, about 50 yards away

0:31:210:31:24

in a little rock cliff there, about 12 foot high...

0:31:240:31:29

Positioned him there on the edge of it...

0:31:290:31:31

..and he walked up there behind and shot him in the back of the head.

0:31:320:31:36

Sorry to tell you, but there it is forbidden to take film.

0:31:370:31:41

There is a sign up there.

0:31:410:31:43

It's interesting to speculate what his career would have been,

0:31:460:31:48

had that escape attempt succeeded.

0:31:480:31:51

He'd have been worshipped in SIS

0:31:510:31:54

and maybe gone on to be

0:31:540:31:56

a very successful and loyal senior member of it -

0:31:560:31:59

who knows?

0:31:590:32:00

From high over Vladivostok,

0:32:010:32:03

you can look down on the building that used to be

0:32:030:32:06

KGB headquarters for this region.

0:32:060:32:08

The way they tell it here,

0:32:110:32:13

it was one of their men who should take the credit

0:32:130:32:16

for seeing that Blake was worshipped instead by the KGB.

0:32:160:32:20

Nikolai Loenko was certainly in Korea at that time,

0:32:230:32:27

looking for likely agents -

0:32:270:32:28

but he gets no mention in Blake's book.

0:32:280:32:31

HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN

0:32:310:32:33

Buyakov thinks one explanation

0:32:420:32:45

is that Blake didn't discover Loenko's name

0:32:450:32:47

until very much later.

0:32:470:32:49

There is one curious postscript,

0:33:020:33:04

which lends some weight to Buyakov's story.

0:33:040:33:07

Nearly 50 years later,

0:33:070:33:09

the governor of the Pacific region, Evgeny Nasratenko

0:33:090:33:12

got a phone call from Moscow.

0:33:120:33:14

HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN

0:33:140:33:16

This was his official destination -

0:33:250:33:27

by then, FSB headquarters in the Far East.

0:33:270:33:30

Blake gave a talk in that low building there

0:33:310:33:34

and when it was over, asked to be taken to Loenko's grave.

0:33:340:33:39

I viewed Communism

0:33:550:33:57

as an attempt to create the kingdom of God in this world.

0:33:570:34:03

The Communists were trying to do by action

0:34:030:34:05

what the church had tried to achieve by prayer and precept.

0:34:050:34:10

I came to the conclusion

0:34:120:34:14

that I was no longer fighting on the right side.

0:34:140:34:18

Was he looking for a cause?

0:34:200:34:22

Was he looking for an identity that as it were,

0:34:220:34:25

took the place of a stable background...

0:34:250:34:27

Where I am, where I come from and what I'm for?

0:34:270:34:30

And that in Communism, he persuaded himself that he'd found it.

0:34:310:34:35

On 22 April 1953,

0:34:460:34:49

a man from MI6 hurried towards an airfield near Oxford.

0:34:490:34:53

An RAF Hastings aircraft lands at Abingdon,

0:34:540:34:57

bringing home several civilians

0:34:570:34:58

released at last from captivity in North Korea.

0:34:580:35:00

Blake and his fellow survivors arrived back in England as heroes.

0:35:000:35:05

No-one imagined that the trim young man in a blazer,

0:35:050:35:09

who gave a cheery wave

0:35:090:35:10

and marched briskly across the tarmac to greet his mother

0:35:100:35:13

was now the enemy.

0:35:130:35:15

How did you find the food out there, Mr Blake?

0:35:150:35:17

Well, the food was adequate, but very monotonous.

0:35:170:35:20

-It was monotonous?

-Very monotonous.

-Anything special?

0:35:200:35:23

I mean, any odd things they gave you to eat, or anything?

0:35:230:35:25

No, just rice and turnips, mainly.

0:35:250:35:28

When he manages to extract himself from the TV cameraman,

0:35:280:35:31

the reporters and his friends,

0:35:310:35:33

a man quietly says in his ear,

0:35:330:35:35

"Here's some money to tide you over for a few days,

0:35:350:35:39

"but we'd also like you to come in for an interview,

0:35:390:35:42

"back at SIS headquarters."

0:35:420:35:44

Blake duly turns up here on Monday morning.

0:35:440:35:47

I dare say they've left the place now,

0:35:470:35:50

but it still retains a lot of the grandeur

0:35:500:35:54

that Blake found when he first came here.

0:35:540:35:57

He's all psyched up for a detailed grilling,

0:35:570:36:00

but all he gets are some gentle questions,

0:36:000:36:03

spread over a couple of days.

0:36:030:36:05

And it's interesting to reflect

0:36:060:36:09

on the views of the Vice Chief of SIS at the time -

0:36:090:36:13

a chap called Sir James Jack Easton.

0:36:130:36:16

And he said, "I don't think at the time

0:36:160:36:19

"that anyone really thought that there would have been efforts

0:36:190:36:22

"to turn people in the camps.

0:36:220:36:24

"If it'd been an Iron Curtain country,

0:36:240:36:27

"it would have been different, but we used to regard North Korea

0:36:270:36:30

"as a bit primitive and unsophisticated, if you like."

0:36:300:36:34

CHEERING

0:36:340:36:36

Two months later, when the young Queen Elizabeth is crowned,

0:36:360:36:40

the Soviet Union's new secret agent

0:36:400:36:42

is standing here, overlooking The Mall...

0:36:420:36:44

..rubbing shoulders with the people who ran Britain's Secret Service.

0:36:460:36:50

George seemed a very OK guy

0:36:500:36:53

and he was after all, a bit of a hero.

0:36:530:36:56

Peter Montagnon was a signals expert,

0:36:560:36:59

who'd been drafted into MI6

0:36:590:37:01

to help with a top-secret phone tapping operation

0:37:010:37:04

going on in Vienna.

0:37:040:37:05

George came into the operation really quite late.

0:37:090:37:13

We were told to give him an easy ride,

0:37:130:37:16

because he'd had a very rough one in prison.

0:37:160:37:19

Not at all good at the work,

0:37:190:37:23

because he had a habit of...

0:37:230:37:27

curling up and going to sleep behind the safe.

0:37:270:37:30

And we put it down to the fact that

0:37:300:37:33

he was still recovering from being in a camp.

0:37:330:37:37

But not so dozy when it came to stealing secrets for the KGB.

0:37:370:37:41

It was the investigative writer Tom Bower

0:37:420:37:45

who first grilled him publicly on this.

0:37:450:37:47

Whenever it took your fancy, you just photographed documents?

0:37:470:37:50

Well, not when it took my fancy,

0:37:500:37:51

but when I realised it was the right opportunity.

0:37:510:37:55

When it did, I would wait, maybe till lunchtime.

0:37:550:38:00

I had a room to myself, so when the secretaries were away,

0:38:000:38:04

I photographed the documents.

0:38:040:38:05

Then he would get the Tube to a prearranged rendezvous

0:38:080:38:11

with his Soviet contact and hand the secrets over.

0:38:110:38:14

-Any nerves?

-In the beginning, but not afterwards.

0:38:150:38:18

How did you divide your day, between working for SIS

0:38:180:38:21

and working for the KGB?

0:38:210:38:23

I just worked for SIS

0:38:230:38:25

and whenever I saw something

0:38:250:38:30

which I thought might interest the KGB,

0:38:300:38:32

I simply, quickly photographed it.

0:38:320:38:36

-But it was a betrayal, it was traitorous.

-It was, yes.

0:38:360:38:39

-Did that ever cross your mind?

-Oh, yes. Of course it did.

0:38:390:38:42

If he didn't have any documents to steal,

0:38:440:38:46

he'd have lunch with Montagnon.

0:38:460:38:49

George was an engaging creature, who I liked a lot.

0:38:490:38:53

He was very affable...

0:38:530:38:55

and easy-going...

0:38:550:38:58

jolly...

0:38:580:39:00

What sort of things did you chat about?

0:39:000:39:02

His previous existence, as a Dutch resistance hero...

0:39:020:39:07

..because that was quite interesting.

0:39:090:39:11

George was a bon viveur.

0:39:150:39:18

He liked to eat well.

0:39:180:39:21

We used to go down to these wonderful Soho restaurants

0:39:210:39:25

and wend our way back

0:39:250:39:28

and carry on with the MI6 stuff.

0:39:280:39:31

The principal focus of attention

0:39:370:39:39

for MI6 and their counterparts in the CIA

0:39:390:39:42

was here, in Berlin.

0:39:420:39:44

The city was awash with rival spies,

0:39:440:39:47

but the Soviets were winning.

0:39:470:39:49

The paramilitary operations

0:39:490:39:52

that were designed to put human beings behind the Iron Curtain

0:39:520:39:57

were not working.

0:39:570:39:58

It was a series of unmitigated disasters.

0:39:590:40:02

It became clear that human agents were not going to do the trick

0:40:030:40:07

and that technological means of espionage had to be developed.

0:40:070:40:12

Thus was the plan for the Berlin Tunnel conceived.

0:40:130:40:16

Back in London, Christmas was coming

0:40:180:40:21

and Blake was about to deliver

0:40:210:40:23

his first great gift to the Soviet Union.

0:40:230:40:25

One morning in late December,

0:40:270:40:28

he was called to a top-level meeting in Carlton Gardens

0:40:280:40:32

to consider ways of tapping into the Berlin telephone system.

0:40:320:40:35

The man on the American side was Bill Harvey.

0:40:370:40:39

Harvey was a pear-shaped man

0:40:410:40:44

with bulging eyes,

0:40:440:40:46

who usually carried two handguns on his person

0:40:460:40:50

and was rarely sober, after noon.

0:40:500:40:53

He was a three-Martini man at lunch -

0:40:530:40:56

two doubles and a single.

0:40:560:41:00

And yet, from this pickled brain

0:41:000:41:03

emerged not the original concept of the tunnel,

0:41:030:41:08

but the execution of the tunnel...

0:41:080:41:11

..as he served as chief of the Berlin base.

0:41:130:41:16

The head of the British technical section

0:41:170:41:20

was a very small man

0:41:200:41:22

with a very squeaky voice

0:41:220:41:24

and with Bill Harvey's subterranean rumbling...

0:41:240:41:31

and this pipsqueak...voice,

0:41:310:41:35

it was rather entertaining.

0:41:350:41:37

It was like a bit of Viennese opera.

0:41:370:41:40

Blake's job was to take the secret minutes -

0:41:420:41:45

every word a jewel for the KGB.

0:41:450:41:48

How long did the meeting last?

0:41:480:41:50

It went on for hours, because we had to look at the, um..

0:41:500:41:54

..right place to dig the tunnel.

0:41:560:42:00

So it was dark, by the time the meeting broke up.

0:42:000:42:03

They'd made their choice

0:42:030:42:05

and most people went off into the night, for Christmas.

0:42:050:42:09

Not George Blake.

0:42:090:42:11

After the meeting had finished and everyone had gone away

0:42:110:42:14

and had a quiet moment,

0:42:140:42:16

he photocopied all the minutes

0:42:160:42:17

and early next year,

0:42:170:42:19

he takes a copy of the minutes of

0:42:190:42:21

this astonishing, original eavesdropping operation

0:42:210:42:25

to his KGB handler

0:42:250:42:27

and he actually hands them over to him

0:42:270:42:30

on the top deck of a London bus.

0:42:300:42:32

This is the place they had chosen - the Schonefelder Chausee.

0:42:390:42:42

The cable was running down the right-hand side here,

0:42:440:42:46

where these cars are parked.

0:42:460:42:48

That was the Soviet side - look at the buildings today.

0:42:480:42:51

The West was over there, among the trees.

0:42:550:43:00

It was wasteland, then.

0:43:000:43:02

But what the Americans did was,

0:43:020:43:04

they built some sort of low factory, like that one,

0:43:040:43:07

as a way of disguising all the earth

0:43:070:43:09

they were digging out from the ground.

0:43:090:43:11

Big building, bristling with antennae,

0:43:110:43:14

to make the Soviets and East Germans think

0:43:140:43:17

that it was for the interception of...broadcast communications,

0:43:170:43:23

not the cable communications.

0:43:230:43:26

And a few feet below the surface of this road

0:43:270:43:30

crouched Peter Montagnon and his team.

0:43:300:43:33

There was a chamber that went up underneath the road

0:43:330:43:38

and you could hear all the Joseph Stalin tanks etc

0:43:380:43:43

rumbling across the top and everybody was dead nervous

0:43:430:43:47

that our rather creaky little hole in the ground

0:43:470:43:51

was going to fall in.

0:43:510:43:53

But it was...good Boy Scout stuff.

0:43:540:43:59

Terrific sense of triumph, presumably, when you...?

0:43:590:44:01

When we got into the cables

0:44:010:44:03

and heard the first Russian voice -

0:44:030:44:06

yes, absolutely.

0:44:060:44:08

They were discussing sex and the officers, as usual(!)

0:44:080:44:12

Now, this -

0:44:170:44:19

on this deceptive little street -

0:44:190:44:21

is the nerve centre of the Soviet administration in East Germany.

0:44:210:44:25

And this is the place whose phone calls they were trying to intercept.

0:44:280:44:32

But even though the KGB shared a building here

0:44:320:44:35

with the Soviet army,

0:44:350:44:36

they didn't breathe a word to them about the tunnel.

0:44:360:44:40

They didn't want the secret of him

0:44:400:44:43

to spread beyond the Lubyanka.

0:44:430:44:45

They didn't want the GRU, the military intelligence...

0:44:450:44:47

They didn't want the Red Army to know.

0:44:470:44:49

So they let it run.

0:44:490:44:51

They let their secrets spill forth, really to protect Blake.

0:44:510:44:55

HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN

0:44:570:44:59

It was nearly a year before the KGB felt they could stage this

0:45:010:45:05

pantomime discovery without putting Blake at risk.

0:45:050:45:08

HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN

0:45:080:45:11

They gathered the media together and milked the moment.

0:45:130:45:16

And as you can see from this only recently declassified CIA report,

0:45:190:45:24

the KGB ploy to protect Blake worked.

0:45:240:45:28

The conclusion reached at that time

0:45:280:45:32

was that the blowing of the Berlin tunnel...

0:45:320:45:36

..was purely the result of unfortunate circumstances beyond our control.

0:45:370:45:43

Of course, this was what spy services everywhere do.

0:45:430:45:46

It must be a technological problem,

0:45:460:45:49

it must be a machine - it can't be one of us!

0:45:490:45:51

Come along, I want to show you the little apples.

0:45:580:46:01

From the moment that the blossoms starts,

0:46:010:46:04

I look at them every day, you see.

0:46:040:46:06

Did they catch on or didn't they?

0:46:060:46:08

Trudi Wesserling now lives on a farm near the Dutch border with Germany.

0:46:100:46:16

50 years ago, she and George Blake were good friends

0:46:160:46:19

and he would confide in her.

0:46:190:46:21

He said, I didn't really want to marry. I'm quite happy with Gillian,

0:46:210:46:27

but I didn't really want to marry.

0:46:270:46:29

We didn't know why he didn't want to marry Gillian.

0:46:290:46:32

But that's what he said.

0:46:320:46:35

Gillian was the woman he'd met at work when he came back from Korea.

0:46:350:46:39

Their romance began in Carlton Gardens

0:46:400:46:42

whilst he was passing on secrets to the communists.

0:46:420:46:46

Do you think it was because he knew that ultimately

0:46:460:46:49

he was going to betray her?

0:46:490:46:52

I think so. I think that was the reason, yes. Yes.

0:46:520:46:57

Neal Ascherson, a few years younger than Blake, had known her for years.

0:46:570:47:01

We were all children in Scotland.

0:47:030:47:05

Gillian was very pretty, sparky and mocking.

0:47:050:47:10

She realised then and in later encounters

0:47:100:47:14

that I was attracted to her, which I was.

0:47:140:47:17

And she regarded me as an absurd

0:47:190:47:22

and uncouth kind of figure

0:47:220:47:25

and she referred to me as Goofy.

0:47:250:47:27

By now, Goofy was at Cambridge.

0:47:280:47:31

Famously described by historian Eric Hobsbawm,

0:47:310:47:34

as perhaps the brightest student he'd ever taught.

0:47:340:47:37

One day, he had a blast from the past.

0:47:370:47:40

I saw Gillian to my complete surprise with this dark man,

0:47:400:47:46

who as far as I remember had a beard.

0:47:460:47:49

She introduced me - this is George - George Blake.

0:47:490:47:53

And I was impressed by how happy she seemed to be.

0:47:530:47:56

This was in contrast to the man she was with.

0:47:560:47:59

I assumed at the time that he just thought, "Oh, this is some old flame

0:47:590:48:04

"and I do not need this", you know.

0:48:040:48:06

The two of them then got married.

0:48:080:48:10

Did you think that they were suited to each other?

0:48:100:48:13

As much as anybody is suited to anybody else.

0:48:150:48:19

I knew her father was a senior guy in MI6

0:48:200:48:24

and that was about it.

0:48:240:48:26

When Kim Philby had been recruited to the KGB,

0:48:270:48:30

he was ordered to get rid of his new wife

0:48:300:48:33

because she had the wrong political colours.

0:48:330:48:36

Did Blake get an order like that in reverse?

0:48:370:48:41

Would he get an order like that? Yes, he might.

0:48:410:48:44

From the Soviet controller's point of view, the question of whether

0:48:440:48:48

he should or should not marry a colleague in SIS -

0:48:480:48:52

who had SIS relations, as well - was a pretty big opportunity.

0:48:520:48:57

Whatever the reason, Blake arrived in Berlin for his next assignment

0:49:010:49:06

a married man and still above suspicion.

0:49:060:49:09

And this is where George Blake and his new wife Gillian settled.

0:49:110:49:16

A nice leafy street in a smart part of the British sector.

0:49:160:49:20

And this is where he worked.

0:49:220:49:25

Hitler's Olympic Stadium.

0:49:250:49:28

Nazi architecture at its best.

0:49:280:49:31

Well, he didn't work in it, of course.

0:49:310:49:33

SIS had offices around to the right.

0:49:330:49:36

Blake's job in Berlin was to run agents.

0:49:380:49:40

He was to find agents, to run agents, to bring in information.

0:49:400:49:45

I mean, Berlin in the 1950s, in the mid-1950s,

0:49:450:49:49

was a haven for spies.

0:49:490:49:51

ACCORDION MUSIC

0:49:510:49:54

Berlin taught me one thing, which is that almost all intelligence work

0:50:030:50:07

is just a black market in information.

0:50:070:50:10

These people are black marketeers.

0:50:100:50:13

The Berlin Wall had not yet been built and it was possible to move

0:50:130:50:17

from one sector to another,

0:50:170:50:19

which suited Blake perfectly.

0:50:190:50:22

This is Friedrichstrasse,

0:50:220:50:24

just going into what used to be the East German sector.

0:50:240:50:28

Blake would come here, get out a couple of stops further on,

0:50:280:50:32

do his business, then come back.

0:50:320:50:34

How much material did you hand over in that period?

0:50:340:50:37

-Well, that I cannot tell you.

-Why not?

-Because it's so much.

-So much?

0:50:370:50:41

-Yes.

-You don't even know how much you handed over?

-No, I don't.

0:50:410:50:46

You fooled MI6 pretty well.

0:50:460:50:48

I suspect, for Blake, there was a thrill-seeking element.

0:50:490:50:52

Whether it applies to all spies, I don't know.

0:50:520:50:55

But there's certainly an element of getting one over on somebody.

0:50:550:50:58

Of getting away with it and teaching them.

0:50:580:51:00

His wife Gillian, I believe, also thought in retrospect

0:51:000:51:04

there was a control element.

0:51:040:51:06

That it gave him a sense of empowerment that -

0:51:060:51:09

I know something you don't.

0:51:090:51:11

I'm doing something you don't. I'm winning.

0:51:110:51:13

But it was a dangerous game, where the cleverest move

0:51:160:51:19

could be trumped at any moment.

0:51:190:51:21

As a journalist in the Cold War,

0:51:210:51:23

I was approached from time to time

0:51:230:51:26

by intelligence services - East and West...

0:51:260:51:29

..see if I could be used, one thing or another.

0:51:300:51:34

But one thing you learn very quickly -

0:51:340:51:37

particularly in Berlin, of course - is that the moment you sign up

0:51:370:51:41

to something like that, the other side knows.

0:51:410:51:44

One of Blake's informants in this double-crossing world

0:51:440:51:47

was a man called Horst Eitner.

0:51:470:51:50

Horst Eitner was a man who liked to go out

0:51:500:51:53

and tackle the Berlin night scene.

0:51:530:51:56

His wife was also an agent - she was a Russian agent.

0:51:560:51:59

They were out drinking one night in a Berlin bar,

0:51:590:52:01

he was with two other women and he was flirting with one of them

0:52:010:52:05

and she got so fed up with him, she said, "If you don't stop that,

0:52:050:52:09

"I'm going to go to the nearest police station

0:52:090:52:11

"and tell them about you."

0:52:110:52:13

And his behaviour didn't improve in the evening and she did go

0:52:130:52:16

to a police station and tell them, "My husband's a double agent.

0:52:160:52:20

"He's working for the British and Russian intelligence services."

0:52:200:52:23

And it was the start of the trail which led to Blake.

0:52:230:52:27

By the time Blake left Berlin,

0:52:270:52:30

he had betrayed virtually every agent working for the British.

0:52:300:52:33

But the noose he'd thrust his own neck into was tightening.

0:52:340:52:38

In 1960, Blake was sent by his grateful bosses to Lebanon.

0:52:460:52:50

He was going to learn Arabic at the centre for Arabic studies.

0:52:510:52:55

The so-called School for Spies.

0:52:550:52:57

Set up by the Foreign Office, in a mountain village called Shemlan.

0:52:590:53:02

By then, Louis Wessling was an oil executive

0:53:070:53:11

and he joined the school at the same time as Blake.

0:53:110:53:14

When people came just out of university of Oxford,

0:53:140:53:17

with first-class results,

0:53:170:53:19

it was genuinely a race - an academic race - who was best.

0:53:190:53:24

And funnily enough, George Blake was number one.

0:53:240:53:28

High in the mountains, Wessling and his wife became close friends of the Blakes.

0:53:290:53:34

I particularly liked George, I was very fond of him, actually,

0:53:360:53:39

because he was part Dutch and we used to talk a little Dutch together.

0:53:390:53:45

He loved to do that.

0:53:450:53:47

The real professional diplomats who were not spies

0:53:490:53:52

did not find him a very interesting man.

0:53:520:53:57

He was, of course, admired for his Arabic.

0:53:570:54:01

But, yeah, I think he considered me as a friend.

0:54:010:54:04

Cut off from the intrigues of Berlin and London,

0:54:070:54:10

Blake seemed to drop his guard.

0:54:100:54:12

We talked about the future of England

0:54:120:54:15

and he saw that in totally different way

0:54:150:54:18

that any other Foreign Office man saw that.

0:54:180:54:21

And I wondered at the time, and I said to my wife,

0:54:210:54:24

-is that allowed that he talks like that?

-And what were your views?

0:54:240:54:28

Shall I say that? I was as red as a brick...

0:54:290:54:33

SHE LAUGHS

0:54:330:54:36

-..at that time.

-And did he seem quite attracted to that?

0:54:360:54:41

Yes, he liked that.

0:54:410:54:43

He liked that very much and he was egging me on to say all kinds

0:54:430:54:47

of nonsense of how I would think

0:54:470:54:51

the world should be arranged.

0:54:510:54:54

He said the royal house of Windsor was finished.

0:54:570:55:00

The people won't stand up for it any more

0:55:000:55:03

and he was critical of class system.

0:55:030:55:06

He was leftist, leftist view.

0:55:060:55:09

Never heard of that.

0:55:090:55:11

A few months into the course,

0:55:120:55:14

a spy ring back in London was put on trial.

0:55:140:55:18

He said it is not as important as you think. And I said, why not?

0:55:180:55:22

He said, because these people did it for money.

0:55:220:55:26

If people spy for their principle,

0:55:260:55:29

those are the ones that are really dangerous.

0:55:290:55:31

Far away from Beirut,

0:55:360:55:38

something really dangerous to Blake had already happened.

0:55:380:55:42

A Polish intelligence officer had turned traitor, too.

0:55:420:55:46

A good traitor, this one. Because it was the communists he'd betrayed.

0:55:460:55:50

Back in London, MI6 realised that his information led remorselessly

0:55:520:55:56

to the unsuspecting George Blake.

0:55:560:56:00

It was the last party before we all said goodbye

0:56:040:56:09

and I danced with George.

0:56:090:56:13

He was holding me quite tight

0:56:140:56:16

but that was because he was a little drunk, I think.

0:56:160:56:20

-Flirting a bit?

-Absolutely.

0:56:200:56:22

I was saying to him the usual nonsense.

0:56:260:56:29

I said about the division of riches in the world and how unjust

0:56:290:56:33

it all was and George suddenly said to me, "Are you one of us?"

0:56:330:56:37

I said, "what do you mean, George?" "Oh," he said "nothing, nothing."

0:56:390:56:42

-Do you think that he was longing...

-Longing to tell the story.

0:56:460:56:51

Longing to have somebody who could share it.

0:56:520:56:56

He didn't have long to wait.

0:57:000:57:03

One night soon afterwards Blake ran into Nicholas Elliott,

0:57:030:57:07

head of MI6 operations in Beirut.

0:57:070:57:09

Elliott said to him, "George, they'd like you to go back to Broadway."

0:57:110:57:15

And Blake was very surprised about this.

0:57:150:57:17

And then Nicholas Elliott said,

0:57:170:57:19

"Well, I think it's about a future posting, a new job of some sort."

0:57:190:57:23

Blake smelt a rat immediately

0:57:260:57:29

and arranged to meet his Soviet handler on a nearby beach.

0:57:290:57:33

And his handler said, "Look, I don't think there's a problem here,

0:57:330:57:37

"I think you should go back. I think you shouldn't be worried" and that's how it was left.

0:57:370:57:41

You can imagine that they thought that Blake might be in trouble.

0:57:430:57:46

But what they would also have thought

0:57:460:57:48

was that Blake would find a way out of it.

0:57:480:57:50

Ride the storm, as it were.

0:57:500:57:52

Back in Shemlan, Blake told no-one.

0:57:540:57:57

His closest friends gathered to celebrate the likelihood of his promotion.

0:57:570:58:01

We had champagne and we were congratulating George.

0:58:020:58:06

He said, this is going to be wonderful

0:58:060:58:09

and we'll have a party again when you come back, etc etc.

0:58:090:58:13

Louis and I were happier for him than he was himself.

0:58:130:58:18

He was certainly in doubt about things,

0:58:180:58:21

what was going to happen if he went back to England, yes.

0:58:210:58:25

And rightly so.

0:58:270:58:29

Two days later, he turns up here sharp at ten o'clock as instructed

0:58:380:58:42

where he is met by a man called Harry Shergold.

0:58:420:58:45

At that stage, at probably 10:01, he's not feeling worried.

0:58:460:58:50

But then Shergold says, we're going to take a little walk

0:58:500:58:54

and we're going to go across St James's Park

0:58:540:58:56

and we're going to go to Carlton Gardens.

0:58:560:58:58

And I think that's when he starts realising

0:58:590:59:02

that this isn't any ordinary sort of meeting

0:59:020:59:04

and he just might have a problem or two.

0:59:040:59:07

when Blake arrived for the interrogation,

0:59:090:59:13

he was taken to this room, I think.

0:59:130:59:16

Ground floor on the right, I was told.

0:59:160:59:19

Overlooking the park.

0:59:190:59:21

There was a table - not this one, I'm sure -

0:59:240:59:27

but with chairs around it for the interrogators.

0:59:270:59:31

Outside - the park and sunlight.

0:59:340:59:37

Inside - in his head - gloom, I imagine.

0:59:380:59:42

Downstairs, a tape recorder was ready.

0:59:470:59:50

Publicly, SIS don't admit that a recording of the interview exists.

0:59:530:59:58

But it's actually been used for training agents.

0:59:581:00:03

For two days they got nowhere.

1:00:031:00:06

Shergold and his colleagues are plugging away.

1:00:061:00:08

You say you weren't a Soviet agent, we have such and such evidence.

1:00:081:00:12

And Blake is doing what any double agent should do

1:00:121:00:17

and deny all this sort of stuff.

1:00:171:00:20

Blake could have just walked away at any time, he wasn't charged.

1:00:201:00:24

They couldn't hold him at all.

1:00:241:00:27

The evidence was probably not usable in court without his confession.

1:00:271:00:31

Why do you think he didn't walk away?

1:00:321:00:35

Maybe that guilt thing.

1:00:351:00:37

Maybe the need to justify himself

1:00:371:00:40

even to those whom he had most offended.

1:00:401:00:43

The breakthrough came unexpectedly...

1:00:461:00:50

..on the morning of the third day.

1:00:511:00:54

What I've heard is that he didn't confess

1:00:541:00:58

in answer to a direct accusation.

1:00:581:01:00

He confessed in answer to a more oblique question,

1:01:001:01:02

which was a hypothetical one.

1:01:021:01:05

What would you expect us to do if you were in our position?

1:01:051:01:08

"We understand the pressures you were under.

1:01:081:01:11

"We understand that out in Korea you were put under extreme pressure

1:01:111:01:16

"and by force of that - you turned sides.

1:01:161:01:19

"You went over, you said you would spy for the Soviets."

1:01:191:01:22

'And when they said that, something happened to me,

1:01:261:01:29

'which even today I may find difficult to account for

1:01:291:01:33

'and it certainly goes against all logic of self-preservation.'

1:01:331:01:37

But my reaction - and it was a sort of gut reaction, was,

1:01:371:01:41

"Oh, no. I have not been tortured.

1:01:411:01:46

"I have not been blackmailed.

1:01:461:01:48

"I went to the Soviet intelligence service myself.

1:01:501:01:55

"I established contact with them

1:01:551:01:58

"and I offered them my services of my own free will."

1:01:581:02:03

And who knows what provoked that actual moment.

1:02:031:02:06

He may not know himself, because after all, people's account

1:02:061:02:09

of why they did what they did at the time

1:02:091:02:11

will vary from what they say at the time about it,

1:02:111:02:14

from what they say a week later.

1:02:141:02:16

Of what they might say in court

1:02:161:02:18

and what they say in their autobiography many years later.

1:02:181:02:21

The dam had been completely burst then

1:02:211:02:24

and Blake absolutely went on and told them everything.

1:02:241:02:29

-What was the look on their faces?

-Of great amazement.

1:02:291:02:32

Back in Lebanon, his wife Gillian was waiting with two children

1:02:341:02:38

and a third on the way.

1:02:381:02:40

Blake's friend and former colleague, John Quine,

1:02:401:02:43

came up to Shemlan to tell her the truth.

1:02:431:02:45

He told her to sit down, he'd pour them a glass of whisky

1:02:451:02:48

and he had something rather extraordinary to tell her.

1:02:481:02:51

Poor Gillian. That was my first reaction.

1:02:511:02:56

It is so difficult to understand that somebody

1:02:561:02:59

who's just your neighbour and you had a friendly relation with,

1:02:591:03:04

that he could do such a thing.

1:03:041:03:09

And yet he did.

1:03:091:03:11

It was my Eureka moment.

1:03:111:03:13

That's it!

1:03:131:03:15

That's why he is so reserved and want to be open

1:03:151:03:19

but cannot be fully open.

1:03:191:03:21

Hold something back from me. He's a friend but not a total friend.

1:03:211:03:26

That's it.

1:03:261:03:27

HEAVY DOORS SLAMMING

1:03:271:03:30

By the time Blake confessed, many British agents in Berlin

1:03:391:03:44

were already paying a price for his treachery.

1:03:441:03:46

This is a cell in the notorious Stasi prison...

1:03:471:03:51

..where people that Blake had betrayed were held until their fate was decided.

1:03:531:03:58

No evidence of this was produced at Blake's short trial.

1:04:021:04:06

But he was sentenced himself to what seemed like a vengeful 42 years

1:04:061:04:11

in a British jail.

1:04:111:04:13

Within SIS, the Holy Grail was the identity of agents

1:04:131:04:17

and anyone who destroys that, who gives away the identities

1:04:171:04:20

of agents - let alone gets them killed - it is just unforgivable.

1:04:201:04:24

That is a sin against the Holy Ghost of espionage.

1:04:241:04:28

The sentence was unprecedented and Blake appealed.

1:04:281:04:31

This document is the one he prepared to help his defence counsel

1:04:311:04:35

make this plea in mitigation.

1:04:351:04:38

And he's saying - you can see -

1:04:381:04:40

he's stipulated that the names he'd given should not be arrested.

1:04:401:04:44

Should only be used by the Russians to protect themselves and so on.

1:04:441:04:48

The appeal was rejected and one usually well-informed journalist

1:04:511:04:55

made the explicit connection.

1:04:551:04:57

My investigations reveal...

1:04:571:04:59

disappeared... been executed.

1:04:591:05:02

One year for each agent betrayed.

1:05:041:05:07

But out on the front line it wasn't so simple.

1:05:101:05:13

When the story broke, Neil Ascherson was in Berlin working for the Observer.

1:05:131:05:19

He managed to locate Horst Eitner,

1:05:191:05:21

the man whose flirting had helped uncover Blake.

1:05:211:05:25

I said to him,

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"It's terrible what happened to all these people betrayed by Blake."

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He said, "No, no, no.

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"Once they had the list, they just went round to them and said,

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"Now, look. We can play this the hard way

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"or there's an easy way. How would you...

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"The easy way is just to start working for us

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"and not telling them that you're working for us."

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On the other hand... "Oh, no. No, you don't need to go into that."

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So, according to Eitner, most of them chose the easy way

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and, no, they were not executed.

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In fact, executions for spying in Germany were by then quite rare.

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And later when Blake talked to Tom Bower, that hint of remorse

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in his mitigation statement had been replaced

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by a whiff of professional pride.

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-You gave away the identity of every agent?

-Every agent, yes.

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-Operating on behalf of MI6?

-Yes.

-How many is that?

-I can't say.

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But it must have been, oh... I don't know, but maybe 500, 600.

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Did you consider that one of those who you'd betrayed might be executed?

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-I had been assured that that wouldn't be the case.

-By whom?

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-By the people with whom I was in contact.

-By the KGB?

-Yes.

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And you actually said to them, "What will happen to these people?"

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Yes, I said to them, "I'll only give you this information

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"if you can assure me that these people will not be executed."

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From the late '50s, most cases of spying on German soil

1:07:061:07:10

were actually handled by the Stasi - the East German secret police.

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So, to check out Blake's claim,

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I went down to the place where you can ask to see their files.

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Inside, I found a document which looked like a smoking gun.

1:07:211:07:25

The names have been blacked out but the words are pretty chilling.

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The Stasi is saying that Blake did a lot to help them liquidate

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the agent rings of the British.

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And given them the names they say of 100,

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not 500 or 600 spies.

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And then they list what they say are the most dangerous of them.

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A stenographer in the Council of Ministers.

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A colonel in the army,

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an official on the Planning Commission and so on.

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These were not people who'd get off lightly.

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The blacking out seems very final.

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But in a country of meticulous records, nothing is lost for ever.

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I managed to find the hidden names and gave them to a man

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who knew all the German archives inside out.

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Bernd-Rainer Barth is a specialist in espionage

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and soon came up with some answers.

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We found out from the files of the Ministry of Interior

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that the stenographer got a lifetime imprisonment.

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The third one, the member of the State Planning Commission,

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got lifetime imprisonment.

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The fourth one who was an official

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in the Ministry for Mechanical Engineering

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he got 15 years, reduced to ten years.

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The next one, who was an official in the Ministry of Foreign Trade,

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he got also lifetime imprisonment.

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The last one, a woman, got five years and was still alive.

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So, I went to find her.

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400, 500 metres, I think.

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She was visibly shaken by our arrival and still so scarred

1:09:111:09:15

by the memory of what she'd been through, she didn't want to talk.

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Which left only the colonel unaccounted for.

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He was probably one of the rare examples

1:09:231:09:28

in the second part of the '50s,

1:09:281:09:32

who was given to the Soviet authorities.

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-So, you think the colonel might have been executed?

-Yes.

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All but one of the others were released by the end of the '60s.

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Deal or no deal?

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Almost certainly no deal.

1:09:471:09:50

But this first hard evidence left that question still unanswered.

1:09:501:09:54

This is where the righteous traitor himself ended up.

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One of his first visitors was his newborn son

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in the arms of his long-suffering wife.

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Although she stayed loyal for the next four years,

1:10:171:10:19

Blake was soon settling in to his new life.

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Apparently, a model prisoner.

1:10:221:10:24

Spies, child abusers, and at that time,

1:10:261:10:31

probably still homosexuals, were the lowest of the low

1:10:311:10:36

in terms of how they were regarded by other prisoners.

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But George made an impression and I think he made it because

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he seemed to be taking this 42 year sentence in his stride.

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MUSIC: Prelude in C Minor, BWV 934 by Bach

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Michael Randle is the last man alive of the three

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who got him out of jail.

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He didn't condone spying,

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but thought Blake's sentence was inhumane.

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He was in the Scrubs, himself, because of the energy with which

1:11:101:11:14

he'd campaigned for nuclear disarmament.

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We were organising a demonstration at Wethersfield air base -

1:11:171:11:20

an American air base where nuclear weapons were stored.

1:11:201:11:24

A group of us who were actually organising it were arrested

1:11:241:11:28

and charged under the Official Secrets Act

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and sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment.

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Randle and his wife Anne now live in Yorkshire.

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In jail, his best friend was Pat Pottle.

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I'm there and there's Anne. That's Pat Pottle.

1:11:401:11:45

And it was with Pat that Blake first broached the idea of escaping.

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They were at the urinals together and...

1:11:491:11:53

These things happen in the urinals, as you know...

1:11:541:11:58

Pat said to him, "Have you ever thought of escaping?"

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And George said, "I never think of anything else."

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The escape plan went into action one night in October 1966.

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Although Blake had help inside, the main movers were Pottle,

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Randle and an Irishman called Sean Bourke, who were all free by then.

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The astonishing thing was that they didn't get caught.

1:12:261:12:29

Bourke turned up knowing Blake was on the other side waiting for him.

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He flung a rope ladder up there.

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It wasn't quite so high in those days.

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Blake caught it the other side, climbed over...

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..and was down.

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And they went down to that road there and got into a getaway car...

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..and set off the mile or so to the safe house.

1:12:571:13:01

Bourke had found a place in a nearby street for them both

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to hole up in before the alarm went up.

1:13:071:13:10

'It's believed that he got out of D Block where he was housed

1:13:101:13:12

'with 320 other long-term first offenders,

1:13:121:13:15

'by smashing a window and sawing through an iron bar.'

1:13:151:13:18

Within hours, Randle got a call.

1:13:181:13:21

Not from the police but the press.

1:13:211:13:23

Two journalists rang me and said, "You were in prison with George Blake,

1:13:231:13:28

"have you any idea of who might have been involved in this?"

1:13:281:13:33

"Well, no! Why would I?"

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-Did the police, did you ever get a...

-Well, this is it.

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You see, once I had those calls from the journalists, I thought,

1:13:391:13:44

well, if they can get on to it within a couple of hours

1:13:441:13:47

we've got to be prepared for them

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to knock on our door and interview us.

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But that never happened.

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'The police are anxious to trace the movements of this car

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'between the last time it was seen, which was at 6.30 on the evening

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'of the escape in the vicinity of Wormwood Scrubs...'

1:14:011:14:03

In fact, Blake was in no shape to go anywhere.

1:14:031:14:06

He'd actually knocked himself out, he had a cut about here

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and he'd not slept all night because of the pain.

1:14:101:14:15

-So, he did look rather gruesome.

-His fall had broken his wrist.

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So, they found a sympathetic doctor and something to fix it with.

1:14:201:14:24

We knew someone who knew how to get hold of plaster of Paris bandages

1:14:241:14:29

from the BBC make-up department in the Doctor Who studios.

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'We assume from this theory that he came the 12 miles or so

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'from Wormwood Scrubs to London airport in a car.'

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Not exactly.

1:14:431:14:44

The safe house turned out to be an unsafe bedsitter

1:14:441:14:47

with a shared bathroom.

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So, they hurriedly found a couple who said they could use their flat.

1:14:501:14:54

A couple of days later I met up with the woman.

1:14:541:14:58

She was obviously feeling very nervous and she said to me,

1:14:581:15:01

"Who are these people?

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"Why are they having to hide?" And I said, "Well, one of them is George Blake."

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She stopped in the road and she said in a loud voice, "GEORGE BLAKE?!"

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'Now, the hunt has spread much wider.

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'Ports are being watched and trips, notably from the Eastern countries

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'for whom he worked, are almost certainly under surveillance.'

1:15:221:15:26

The next day, the woman's husband came round to say his wife

1:15:261:15:29

had been so upset she told her therapist.

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You mean, about us?

1:15:331:15:35

He said, "Oh, yes. Yes.

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"The therapy doesn't work unless you're completely honest."

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Sean Bourke dived under the bed, got his suitcase out

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and started throwing things in it and said, "I'm off."

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And George, who was always very much self-controlled, said,

1:15:501:15:55

"I think in all the circumstances, we should move somewhere else."

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But his luck held.

1:16:001:16:03

The therapist said the hullabaloo had simply caused the wife to hallucinate.

1:16:031:16:08

At times I felt like we were immune.

1:16:081:16:11

Everyone was looking for him and yet nobody found.

1:16:111:16:15

It just seemed like we were floating around in a bit of a balloon.

1:16:151:16:20

After eight weeks of this comedy of errors,

1:16:201:16:23

they decided it was time to go.

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They made their escape in a van, rather like the one they still have.

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There was a long bench seat here to the back

1:16:321:16:37

which was hinged and...

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-when you lifted the hinge, he would be hidden...

-Oh, underneath!

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..underneath. So, when we were travelling, the hinge would be down

1:16:471:16:53

so it would be a complete bed and the children would be sleeping on top of it.

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Most of the journey was relatively uneventful

1:16:581:17:00

though Blake got carsick in the secret compartment.

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The first time that we had any kind of inspection was at the East-West

1:17:041:17:10

German checkpoint and there they did come down to look at the van,

1:17:101:17:14

opened it up...

1:17:141:17:16

As soon as they saw the children asleep...

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No! No, they weren't going to bother.

1:17:211:17:24

You know, they didn't want to disturb the children.

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So, they didn't look.

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SHE EXHALES SHARPLY

1:17:311:17:32

We drove on that grim motorway

1:17:351:17:40

-from Helmstedt.

-Helmstedt.

1:17:401:17:42

-Immediately, it became black.

-There was no road lighting on the roads.

1:17:421:17:47

Potholes... That was frightening.

1:17:471:17:50

We drove until...

1:17:521:17:54

We could just see some lights in the distance, couldn't we?

1:17:541:17:57

Which would have been the checkpoint.

1:17:571:17:59

I remember George saying, "Well, we've done it."

1:17:591:18:03

I was thinking, "Well, you've made it, but will we?"

1:18:031:18:08

We'd said goodbye and then we left him at the side of a dark road

1:18:111:18:16

and there were just trees all around. Dark, black trees.

1:18:161:18:20

We just watched this receding figure.

1:18:201:18:22

Blake walked up to the guardhouse

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and asked to speak to someone in the KGB.

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I don't know, it just didn't seem to be real.

1:18:311:18:34

That was then,

1:18:461:18:47

and this - nearly 50 years on - is now.

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HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN

1:18:521:18:53

The man on the left is George Blake.

1:18:571:19:00

Starting yet another winter in Russia.

1:19:001:19:03

Yeah. Well...

1:19:031:19:05

I prefer - we all prefer - the summer.

1:19:051:19:10

But it's inevitable that...

1:19:101:19:14

..the winter must come and then you try to make the best of it.

1:19:161:19:20

In fact, it's a long time, the winter is very long here.

1:19:231:19:27

His career as an active spy had lasted just eight years.

1:19:291:19:34

The dream for which he'd done so much damage to Britain is dead.

1:19:371:19:41

Spasiba.

1:19:441:19:45

When he'd arrived in the winter of 1966,

1:19:501:19:53

he was reinventing his life yet again in a strange, cold city.

1:19:531:19:57

His mother came to see him, but Gillian had divorced him

1:19:581:20:02

and he was cut off from his children in England.

1:20:021:20:05

But the KGB were good to him.

1:20:101:20:12

Like his fellow spy, Kim Philby, he was showered with medals

1:20:121:20:16

for his years in the field and given a flat near the city centre.

1:20:161:20:20

He got a job in a prestigious think-tank

1:20:241:20:26

a few stops south on the Metro.

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And found a new wife, Ida.

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They had a son Mikhail

1:20:321:20:34

and later his English children were reconciled, too.

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The infinitely adaptable man.

1:20:381:20:41

SHE SPEAKS FRENCH

1:20:421:20:43

TRADITIONAL RUSSIAN SINGING

1:21:121:21:14

Each year, when spring returns, veterans of the old regime

1:21:161:21:20

happily belt out songs of what they call the great patriotic war.

1:21:201:21:24

But it's an illusion,

1:21:261:21:28

what's gone is the cause for which they fought and died.

1:21:281:21:31

One day, just before communism crumbled away,

1:21:341:21:37

Louis Wessling found himself in Moscow and invited Blake to lunch.

1:21:371:21:42

I called him and he was delighted. He said, "You are paying?"

1:21:421:21:45

I said, "Of course, I'll pay."

1:21:451:21:47

And he said, "Well, then, we must go to the best restaurant in Moscow

1:21:471:21:52

"opposite Lubyanka, the prison."

1:21:521:21:55

And he was very proud of Lubyanka. He said that Russians don't dare to walk

1:21:561:22:01

in front of it for fright of being taken in.

1:22:011:22:06

But he was clearly frustrated, said Wessling.

1:22:091:22:11

He was at the bitter end of his career. The war was over.

1:22:111:22:16

He said, "It is not the system, I'm still a Communist.

1:22:161:22:20

"It is the Russians who fucked it up."

1:22:201:22:22

And he said, "They never do anything right."

1:22:231:22:27

What he missed was the place where he was born.

1:22:301:22:33

"Can you get me a visa?" he asked his friend.

1:22:331:22:36

Don't ask me to get a visa, George.

1:22:361:22:38

If you go, you'll be glad to get out alive again

1:22:381:22:42

because people don't like you.

1:22:421:22:43

He didn't feel that at all.

1:22:461:22:48

He was childishly attached to go back to Holland.

1:22:481:22:54

And he had a totally different idea,

1:22:541:22:58

as if his past was forgiven and forgotten.

1:22:581:23:02

And I said, "No, it has not been forgotten."

1:23:021:23:05

When I was in Rotterdam myself, at the start of my journey,

1:23:081:23:11

I'd met a Dutch-speaking journalist called Simon Cooper.

1:23:111:23:15

He talked to Blake in Moscow a couple of years ago on the unusual condition

1:23:151:23:19

that anything he wrote would only be published in Dutch.

1:23:191:23:23

He told me, you arrive here and immediately as soon as you arrive

1:23:231:23:26

you'll see communism doesn't work.

1:23:261:23:28

And he said, "Well, I just came to terms with it. I moved on."

1:23:281:23:32

So, maybe it's this Calvinist idea that it was all predestined,

1:23:321:23:35

but he didn't struggle against his fate.

1:23:351:23:38

Once Blake believed that his fate was to help this country do God's work on Earth.

1:23:401:23:45

Look at it now. What did he think about that? I asked.

1:23:481:23:52

The condition of our interview is that

1:23:521:23:54

I wouldn't ask him about contemporary Russia.

1:23:541:23:58

Because I was told that Blake loathes Putin

1:23:581:24:00

and Putin is everything Blake doesn't like.

1:24:001:24:03

Putin is a cynic and he's violent.

1:24:031:24:05

But Blake is totally dependent on Putin and the security services

1:24:051:24:09

for his pension, so Blake doesn't want to say anything bad about Putin.

1:24:091:24:12

But of course he also doesn't want to say anything good about Putin, either.

1:24:121:24:16

I wanted to hear that from his own mouth.

1:24:191:24:21

But the message I got back from his family was that at 92,

1:24:211:24:25

he was too old to give another interview.

1:24:251:24:28

Still, one has to try.

1:24:291:24:31

Well, this is his street. Charming dachas

1:24:341:24:38

set in a charming wood.

1:24:381:24:40

Let's go and see if we can find the one where he lives.

1:24:411:24:45

This is the dacha he's been given

1:24:511:24:53

for his services to the Soviet cause.

1:24:531:24:55

I hadn't made an appointment, so I wasn't sure if anyone was in.

1:24:561:25:00

But then I saw him and he let me in.

1:25:041:25:06

We made small talk for a while.

1:25:091:25:11

-So, the next thing is that you do, is going to be this film...

-No, film.

1:25:111:25:15

Yeah. I've sort of done quite a lot of it.

1:25:151:25:18

But as soon as I brought up the subject of Putin's Russia,

1:25:181:25:21

the shutters came down.

1:25:211:25:24

Well, that I don't want to dwell on at the moment.

1:25:241:25:27

I don't think that... that is not part of your...

1:25:271:25:30

and now you are taking this particular interview.

1:25:301:25:34

No, I don't think I want...

1:25:341:25:36

'Instead of the easy smile,

1:25:361:25:39

'the closed look of a man who can still keep secrets.'

1:25:391:25:42

So, I asked him the other way round.

1:25:461:25:48

Would he still like to return to the place where he grew up?

1:25:481:25:51

No, no, no, no.

1:25:511:25:53

And anyway, you see, I'm virtually blind.

1:25:531:25:57

And so that makes travelling very difficult and not much point in it.

1:25:581:26:05

-Because I can't see anyway...

-Yeah.

-..where I am.

1:26:061:26:10

And whether I'm talking to you here now,

1:26:101:26:13

or whether I'm talking to you in Rotterdam

1:26:131:26:15

doesn't make any difference.

1:26:151:26:16

-I suppose that's right.

-That's right.

1:26:161:26:19

-But if you could get a visa?

-It's not that I wouldn't get visa...

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but I wouldn't be quite sure about what would happen to me.

1:26:251:26:29

They might arrest me

1:26:291:26:31

and hand me back to the British in some way or another.

1:26:311:26:35

So, here he is trapped in a beautiful backwater

1:26:371:26:41

he can no longer see.

1:26:411:26:42

He's never going to admit it,

1:26:441:26:46

but he must wonder whether it was all worthwhile.

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SHE SPEAKS FRENCH

1:26:491:26:51

THEY LAUGH

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