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It was the last leg of a long journey. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
I was trying to find a man | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
who'd been wanted by the British police for nearly 50 years. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
I did have the feeling that he wanted to be somebody - | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
to end up having done something quite important. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
First, he'd planned to be a priest. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Then he became a secret agent. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
He said to me, "Are you one of us?" | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
And I said, "What do you mean, George?" | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
"George" was George Blake, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
the most damaging British traitor of the Cold War. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
What Blake did | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
is what a good spy is supposed to do... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
..to obtain highly protected secrets from a foreign government. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
The trouble was, those secrets were ours. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
He toyed with me like a gambler. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
How long can you gamble? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
He's continued to deny | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
that he was responsible for getting people killed. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
And there he was, in the window - | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
the spy who got away. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
I was a bit sorry, in a way - | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
because we all liked George. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
I never, for one single moment, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
thought that he was anything but British... | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
..though there was a slight, greasy look about him - | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
which gave me the idea that he might have some... | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
perhaps Jewish blood in him, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
or perhaps something oriental - | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
tinge of oriental, somewhere. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
In fact, George Blake was born here in Holland, in 1922 - | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
and his name was "Behar", not "Blake". | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
His father, Albert, was a British subject, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
but was neither Dutch nor English. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
He named his son "George" after the King of England, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
but did little else to make him feel British. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Indeed, as Blake's biographer Roger Hermiston found out, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
he scarcely communicated with his son at all... | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Albert spoke English | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
and he spoke French. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
What he didn't speak - astonishingly, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
because he lived in Rotterdam, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:00 | |
he made his business, he made his home in Rotterdam - | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
he didn't speak Dutch. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
..and George in those days spoke nothing but Dutch. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
His father had a business | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
on the ground floor of their canal side house, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
making tough gloves for dock workers. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
But he remained an outsider in his family's city. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
He was a man who liked to keep himself to himself. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
He was a man with secrets. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
I get no sense at all that George Blake and his father | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
had any normal father-son relationship. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Not surprisingly, George grew closer to his mother... | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
..and that, in time, meant closer to God. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Catherine Behar belonged to | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
a liberal branch of the Protestant church | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
and this was where she prayed, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
among like-minded members of the Dutch upper-middle-class. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
George says he wanted to become a pastor himself, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
though in the stricter Calvinist Church of working people. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
Then suddenly, everything in his solemn young life turns upside down. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
A worldwide slump hits the family business. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Albert falls ill and dies. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
His mother, in their house by the canal, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
is struggling to pay the bills... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
..when out of the blue, a fairy godmother enters the story. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
His father, it turned out, had a sister called Zephira - | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
and Zephira lived in Egypt, in a palace. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
And so, it was to here that George was sent to complete his education. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
It was a magnificent life, because they were very rich, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
there were a lot of servants - | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
servants come from Nubia - | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
the south of Egypt. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
And it was very beautiful, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
the house, with a very big garden. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
It was on Zamalek - | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
it was the high land of Cairo, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
where the rich people lived at that time. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Cousin Sylvie knows all the family stories. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
The head of the family was a banker called Daniel Curiel | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
and George, it emerged, was half Jewish - | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
grandson of a carpet dealer in Istanbul. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
George was astonished at the beginning, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
because also he was very puritan, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
so he was not used to such a noisy life! | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
George must have wondered who he was, where he came from, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
what he believed in. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Was he now a Calvinist, a Lutheran? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Or was he Jewish? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
Was he Dutch? Was he Egyptian? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Or what? | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
His new family made sure he learnt French and English | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
and turned him into a citizen of the world. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
But they did much more than that. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
This is the authorised history of MI5. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
"There was much that SIS had failed to discover... | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
"about their new recruit" - that's Blake - | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
"notably the influence on him of his older cousin, Henri Curiel, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
"co-founder of the Egyptian Communist Party." | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Here is the grave of Henri Curiel. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
1978... "Assassine"? | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
Yes. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
Henri Curiel was murdered here, at his house in Paris. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
No-one was ever caught. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
"Fallen in the struggle for socialism and peace, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
"to which he dedicated his life." | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
When they first met, Henri had been a playboy | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
and George a bit of a prude - | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
but the next two years changed both of them. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
SHE SPEAKS FRENCH | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Back in Holland, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
George's family had moved to a seaside town near The Hague. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
As the summer ended, Germany invaded Poland. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
So instead of Cairo, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
he returned to school in Rotterdam - | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
and to yet another shock. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
They came over our house in Utrecht, flying at low altitude. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
You could see these pilots in the cockpit looking down at us | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and we looked back at them. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Louis Wesseling, later a close friend of Blake's, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
was also a schoolboy then. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
My mother said, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
"This is a flagrant insult to our impartiality in wars", you know? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
And I said, "Mother, you're wrong. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
"It is war. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
"It's totally different. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
"Your world has changed - and mine too." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
George was in Rotterdam with his grandmother, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
trapped in the eye of the storm, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
like the nearby family of Robert van Voren. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
What I have here is a film made by my grandfather, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
who was an amateur filmer. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
This is Rotterdam, from his balcony. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
So these are the German bombers, the Junkers. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Here, you see images of the bombing itself. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
This is the harbour. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
We saw... the ashes of Rotterdam landed in Utrecht. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
The sky was red and we knew it was terrible. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
From her home by the sea, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
George's mother tried desperately to contact her son. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
But when the Dutch royal family headed for England, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
she faced a stark choice. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
The last ship was leaving and she had two daughters to protect. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
When George finally reached home, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
all he found were the remains of breakfast on the kitchen table. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
He was not yet 18. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
We shall fight on the beaches, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
we shall fight on the landing grounds, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
We shall fight in the hills... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Stirred by British defiance, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
George Behar wanted to join the fight. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
After some scrapes with the German occupation forces, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
he made contact with the embryonic Dutch resistance. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Terrified he was not. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
He loved the atmosphere of illegality. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
He liked the romance of it. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
He liked living life on the edge. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
He liked being in danger. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
But there was little - beyond running messages - | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
he could do in Holland to hasten victory. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
So in July 1942, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
he set off on a hair-raising journey through occupied France | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
and into Spain. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
What I now understand is that we are war children. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
You have peace children, you have war children. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Our lives are drenched in war. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Having been part of the resistance, having seen the bloodshed, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
I think there is a... | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
Especially when you still have this young age, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
this kind of determination to never let this happen again. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
By January 1943, he was heading for England... | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
..where a new name, a new job | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
and a chance to change the world awaited him. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
"If any person having any possession of document | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
"communicates to foreign power... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
"shall be guilty of misdemeanour." | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
This is the document that Blake signed | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
when he was first recruited by MI6 - | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
as the Secret Intelligence Service was known. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
His resourcefulness in reaching England had impressed them | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
and he was sent to work in Broadway Buildings, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
one of the many MI6 offices dotted around London's political zone. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
He was joining an elite, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
where the usual entry ticket was the right school | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
or the right family. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
I think my father knew somebody called Guy Westmacott, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
who was in MI6 - and they were looking for... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
..for girls to come and do the typing. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
We always had to say we worked in the Foreign Office... | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
..and... | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
we weren't actually even in the building. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Susan Asquith, as she then was, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
had just arrived there from a stint | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
typing for the codebreakers at Bletchley. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
In keeping with the times, the best jobs went to the boys. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
My cousin, she was always saying, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
all the ones she knew were frightfully stupid. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
The head of the whole thing came down to Bletchley. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
She said, my God - it's not him. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
And he was somebody she used to go hunting with. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
She said, "Well, that really does condemn you, doesn't it?" | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
One of her tasks was to sort incoming messages - | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
and that's where she met George Blake, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
on secondment from his official job in the Royal Navy. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
George used to come in practically every day and just... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
I mean, not that I knew him well or anything, but he used to | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
come and have a cup of tea and wait for his telegram and all that. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
He was much more amusing to talk to | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
than most of the people who wandered in to pass the time of day. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
He loved talking about religion and... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
How he couldn't... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
He was going to be a priest, but he couldn't really, now. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
I don't know why. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
Something to do with... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
He was quite religious, was he? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Yes, very. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
But he had a Walter Mitty streak too, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
regaling his new friends with stories | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
about being dropped by parachute into Holland. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
George himself was dropped in, as you know. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
On... I forget on how many occasions. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
And it always had to be at night. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Was she absolutely certain about this, I asked? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
About being dropped in? Yes, he said he was terrified. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Because you never knew when the land was going to come up to meet you. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
Because, you know? Dark and all that. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
He said he was dropped in... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:53 | |
I forget how many times - several times. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
Really? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
He easily exaggerated, you know? | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
And how. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
These airborne liberators of the southern provinces of the Netherlands | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
were greeted and assisted | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
by enthusiastic Dutch underground forces. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
He'd never, in fact, been dropped into Holland - | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
though when the war ended, he did go back there, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
accompanied - among others - by Iris Peake. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
I'd been moved to the Dutch section a few months before | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
and then, I can't remember how it happened, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
but we were asked if we would go out to... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
..The Hague and work there for a few weeks. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
Iris was from a grand English family - | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
light years away from a Dutch refugee. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
He was always great fun. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
Everybody liked him. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
They took over a house in a place called Wassenaar | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
which is quite near The Hague, right on the coast there. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
And there were quite a lot of men working there. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
And then there was another place, where we had our bedrooms. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
The girls slept over in this other bit of the house. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
It must have been disconcerting for Blake - | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
feted as a liberator, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
whilst the countrymen of his childhood were close to starvation. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
It was like arriving in a completely sort of dead place, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
rather like going to the moon, or something. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
When we first arrived, there was no food there. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
They were eating the tulip bulbs for food. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
We were like skeletons | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
and the boys - they were nothing like the boys | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
that liberated us, who were well fed, self-assured. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
We were shadows of our own selves. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
And the girls at the time were a big problem for us, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
because they felt attracted to these healthy soldiers that came. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
At a political level too, there were tensions. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
The euphoria of victory soon gave way to rivalry | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
between the West and the Soviet Union. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
There were millions of displaced persons, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
wandering all over Europe - | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
many of whom were swearing loyalty and fealty to the West, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
because they didn't want to be sent back East, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
where they would face prison or worse. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
Tim Weiner sifted through thousands of CIA documents | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
to compile a history of the period. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Who loves whom? Who hates whom? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
Who's who? | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
We don't know - | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
and in these two years, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
between the death of Adolf Hitler | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
and the advent of the Cold War, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
there is a state of chaos. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Blake, somewhat displaced himself, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
thrived in his new job. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
I felt he was ambitious, that he wanted to be somebody - | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
as if he wanted to be famous. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
But in what direction, I don't know. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Some thought that one direction he'd have liked was closer to Iris. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
The euphoria of victory was one thing, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
social realities another. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Did you stay in touch, when you came back to England? | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
Well, yes. I mean, we were both still at MI6, then. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
So we sort of... We had lunch from time to time and then he was... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
I think he was sent to Cambridge, to learn Russian. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
So I really lost touch with him, then, yes. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Cambridge had been the breeding ground of | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
an earlier generation of gentleman traitors... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
..but being sent there by MI6 to learn Russian | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
was a mark of the confidence they now had in Blake. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
He was put on their permanent staff - | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
in effect, translated from useful outsider to "one of us". | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
But Blake, in a seminal interview | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
given when he first broke his silence more than 20 years ago, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
says it was precisely the moment | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
when he began to drift the other way. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
I think it was one of the decisive moments in my conversion, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
although I didn't realise that myself then. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
And the Professor of Russian was Dr Elizabeth Hill | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
and somehow, she managed, in her tutorials | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
to inspire into her pupils | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
and certainly in me | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
a very great admiration - | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
I would say romantic admiration - | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
for everything Russian. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
But even his favourite tutor thought he was a man apart. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
Accommodation for the officers on the course | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
had been arranged in this college, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
but Blake chose instead to live in a village outside the city. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
I'd say, "Why do you live in Madingly, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
"instead of with the other officers?" | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Which was very odd, to me. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
And he would say, "Oh, I like the exercise" | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
which is a very poor answer. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
So I don't know whether he was not already left-wing, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
or even worse. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Alan Judd is a historian of MI6 | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
and now writes about spies | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
in fiction that has a ring of fact about it. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
He thinks Blake would have known he could never belong. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
Philby was much better at playing the game of being part of them, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
because Philby was, of course. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
He was the beloved child of the establishment. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
But Blake probably never had the social confidence, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
I would guess, that would have made him feel part of them, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
or not mind whether he was or not. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
He'd never lived here, he'd never been brought up, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
he hadn't been schooled here. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
You know, he didn't have that emotional thing to overcome... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
once he started to reject his country. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Deep down, the man who'd once wanted to be a minister of the church | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
was now questioning everything. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
Not just where he belonged, but what he believed in. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
In his autobiography, he offers with hindsight | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
a theological defence for what he was about to do. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
He says he now came to believe that free will was an illusion. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
"No room for free will on the part of a human being." | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Everything is preordained | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
and that sins themselves a part of God's will. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
"You cannot punish me for my sins | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
"because my sins were put inside me and are not my fault." | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
In other words, as he approaches the biggest choice of his life, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
there is no choice. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
It takes about two hours to get from Seoul | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
to the frontier with North Korea. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
That's on a normal day. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
But there had been an exchange of gunfire across the line | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
the day before we'd turned up - | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
so everyone was a bit jumpy. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
OK, they've told us that the DMZ is closed to tours, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
so we're going down this road, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
to see if we can get closer to it ourselves. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
Not quite sure where we're going, but let's see where it goes. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
THEY SPEAK KOREAN | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
When George Blake arrived here in the autumn of 1948, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
it was still technically one country, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
though trouble between the two halves was obviously brewing. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
The Communists were concentrated in the North - | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
American-leaning nationalists in the South. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
There's a watchtower. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
There's the DMZ - | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
the demilitarised zone. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:12 | |
Blake had a daunting task. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Those mountains over there are North Korea, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
which was then a Russian sphere of influence. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
His job was to target the Soviet city of Vladivostok, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
about 500 miles beyond them. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
He felt disillusioned, really quite quickly. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
He felt that the scale of the task that he was being asked to tackle | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
was really beyond him. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Vladivostok, that he was supposed to be penetrating... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
As far as the crow flies, may have not been that far, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
but it was as if it was in another world. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
The city was the focal point of Soviet strategy in the Far East. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Where is China? Where is Korea? Where is Russia? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Alexei Buyakov has worked closely with Russian intelligence for years. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
It's the kind of assignment - | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
difficult, dangerous, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
well-nigh impossible... | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
..that was given to intelligence officers | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
in the early days of the Cold War. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
"Proceed forward to Vladivostok and recruit Russian-born agents, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
"who will serve the West." | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Now, how the hell are you going to do that? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Blake's base for Mission Impossible | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
was here at the British Legation in Seoul. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
He was a month short of his 26th birthday and starting from scratch | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
in a city where British influence was negligible | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
and living conditions appalling. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
There was nothing to eat. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
There was very little in the way of basic human services, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
like potable water. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
The first thing that most American soldiers remember | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
is the stink of it - | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
not the stink of the dead, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
but the stink of life. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
The stink of corruption, too. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
The American-backed regime of Syngman Rhee appalled Blake. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
And with every month that passed, he says, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
he became more disenchanted with his own side, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
more sympathetic to the Communists. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
I didn't feel anti-Communist by then - | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
certainly on a local level. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
I remember the Minister of Education | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
having a big photograph of Hitler in his room. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
And my sympathy already, by then, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
was very much with the resistance, or the opposition. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
ORGAN MUSIC | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
On Sunday morning, June 25, 1950, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
George Blake was at a service in the crypt of the Anglican Cathedral. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
The whisper went round | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
that the Communists were advancing on Seoul from the North. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
As soon as the service was over, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Blake and the other diplomats hurried back to the legation. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Their standing instructions from London were that | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
Britain would remain neutral if civil war did break out, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
so they should stay put. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
It was a bad call. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
Britain did not remain neutral | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
and by nightfall on Wednesday, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
the North Koreans had entered the compound | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
and Blake and his colleagues were prisoners. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
In the quiet town of Perry, Northern Florida | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
lives one of the few men still alive who was a prisoner with Blake. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
Ed Sheffield, whose company of 700 men | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
had been overwhelmed in the opening onslaught. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
One guy ran up there, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
kicked my rifle away from me, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
kicked my helmet off my head | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
and motioned for me to get up. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
And when I stood up, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
he began to frighten me with a rifle butt, you know? | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
Here I am, right here. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
Right there. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
The North Koreans were mean people. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
They didn't treat you good at all. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
But nor, in the heat of war, did the Americans. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
A massive counterattack began, driving the Communists back north. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
The countryside was devastated | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
and so were the people beneath the bombardment, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
including Blake and his fellow prisoners. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
They kept moving us further and further north in their territory. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
Sometimes by train, but the train was getting strafed too. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
We were in box cars, cattle cars. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
The planes would come in and bomb us and strafe us. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
I guess it was American planes. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
-Quite frightening, to be bombed by your own side. -Yeah. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Blake and his friend Jean Meadmore felt in real danger. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
He told me, "I don't want to die in North Korea." | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
He said that - George Blake said, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
"Je ne veux pas mourir en Coree du Nord." | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
So despite his anti-Americanism, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
it was to the Americans that he now decided to flee. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
He told me, "I'm going to try to escape tonight. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
"Do you come with me?" | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
I said "No. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
"I haven't got the guts to do it, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
"because I think it's absolutely doomed to failure. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
"We haven't got a chance." | 0:28:26 | 0:28:27 | |
Nobody escaped from a Korean camp, nobody. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
The guards had told us that if we tried to escape, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
they'd catch us and they'd shoot us. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
But Blake did try, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
setting off under cover of darkness | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
to reach the advancing American troops. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
It was a long way uphill. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
Obviously fitter than me - two hours... | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
..up to the top of a ridge... | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
..and one more row on the other side, before suddenly, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
out of the darkness... | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
It was a Korean soldier. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Blake says he first tried to convince his captors he was Russian, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
but eventually admitted he was a British diplomat. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
He was then taken to a cave, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
where a small fire was burning. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
He realises he's in big trouble and he gets put down in a corner, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
given something to eat briefly | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
and told that he'd decide his future in the morning. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
That could well have been the moment at which he said, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
"Look, I'll cooperate, I'll tell you. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
"I'm actually a member of MI6." | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
Blake has always vehemently denied that. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
I didn't speak any Korean and in the time that I was away - | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
which included my walking to that place across the mountains - | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
and the time I was in the cave | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
and the time to walk back to the camp... | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I couldn't possibly have made such a deal with anybody. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Maybe, but it's odd claiming he spoke no Korean, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
given that he'd been there for two years | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
and was clearly having some sort of dialogue with his captors. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
Whatever. When dawn broke, he was let off with a reprimand | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
and made to rejoin his fellow prisoners. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
We were taken on what was known as a death march | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
and for the next three months, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
we were in extremely harsh conditions. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
I was, on one occasion, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
beaten up and made to sit in the snow | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
for about four hours. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
If I had been recruited by the Russians, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
they would never have allowed me to be exposed to such danger - | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
and to the danger of losing a potentially very valuable agent. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
What the Americans on that death march remember | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
is that the man who let Blake off | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
was not known for his mercy. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
They called him "The Tiger". | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
My company commander got up and approached him, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
told him that none of these men were able to go on a forced march | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
up through these rugged mountains. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
The Tiger's reply was, "You will go or you will die." | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
So my commander called him a madman... | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
..and that was a mistake, because he called over two of his guards | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
and they took him, tied his hands behind him... | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
..took him up there, about 50 yards away | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
in a little rock cliff there, about 12 foot high... | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
Positioned him there on the edge of it... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
..and he walked up there behind and shot him in the back of the head. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
Sorry to tell you, but there it is forbidden to take film. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
There is a sign up there. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
It's interesting to speculate what his career would have been, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
had that escape attempt succeeded. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
He'd have been worshipped in SIS | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
and maybe gone on to be | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
a very successful and loyal senior member of it - | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
who knows? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
From high over Vladivostok, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
you can look down on the building that used to be | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
KGB headquarters for this region. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
The way they tell it here, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
it was one of their men who should take the credit | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
for seeing that Blake was worshipped instead by the KGB. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
Nikolai Loenko was certainly in Korea at that time, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
looking for likely agents - | 0:32:27 | 0:32:28 | |
but he gets no mention in Blake's book. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
Buyakov thinks one explanation | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
is that Blake didn't discover Loenko's name | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
until very much later. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
There is one curious postscript, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
which lends some weight to Buyakov's story. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Nearly 50 years later, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
the governor of the Pacific region, Evgeny Nasratenko | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
got a phone call from Moscow. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
This was his official destination - | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
by then, FSB headquarters in the Far East. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Blake gave a talk in that low building there | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
and when it was over, asked to be taken to Loenko's grave. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
I viewed Communism | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
as an attempt to create the kingdom of God in this world. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:03 | |
The Communists were trying to do by action | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
what the church had tried to achieve by prayer and precept. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
I came to the conclusion | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
that I was no longer fighting on the right side. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Was he looking for a cause? | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
Was he looking for an identity that as it were, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
took the place of a stable background... | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
Where I am, where I come from and what I'm for? | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
And that in Communism, he persuaded himself that he'd found it. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
On 22 April 1953, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
a man from MI6 hurried towards an airfield near Oxford. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
An RAF Hastings aircraft lands at Abingdon, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
bringing home several civilians | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
released at last from captivity in North Korea. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Blake and his fellow survivors arrived back in England as heroes. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
No-one imagined that the trim young man in a blazer, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
who gave a cheery wave | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
and marched briskly across the tarmac to greet his mother | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
was now the enemy. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
How did you find the food out there, Mr Blake? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Well, the food was adequate, but very monotonous. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
-It was monotonous? -Very monotonous. -Anything special? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
I mean, any odd things they gave you to eat, or anything? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
No, just rice and turnips, mainly. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
When he manages to extract himself from the TV cameraman, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
the reporters and his friends, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
a man quietly says in his ear, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
"Here's some money to tide you over for a few days, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
"but we'd also like you to come in for an interview, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
"back at SIS headquarters." | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Blake duly turns up here on Monday morning. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
I dare say they've left the place now, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
but it still retains a lot of the grandeur | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
that Blake found when he first came here. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
He's all psyched up for a detailed grilling, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
but all he gets are some gentle questions, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
spread over a couple of days. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
And it's interesting to reflect | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
on the views of the Vice Chief of SIS at the time - | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
a chap called Sir James Jack Easton. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
And he said, "I don't think at the time | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
"that anyone really thought that there would have been efforts | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
"to turn people in the camps. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
"If it'd been an Iron Curtain country, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
"it would have been different, but we used to regard North Korea | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
"as a bit primitive and unsophisticated, if you like." | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
CHEERING | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Two months later, when the young Queen Elizabeth is crowned, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
the Soviet Union's new secret agent | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
is standing here, overlooking The Mall... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
..rubbing shoulders with the people who ran Britain's Secret Service. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
George seemed a very OK guy | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
and he was after all, a bit of a hero. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
Peter Montagnon was a signals expert, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
who'd been drafted into MI6 | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
to help with a top-secret phone tapping operation | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
going on in Vienna. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:05 | |
George came into the operation really quite late. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
We were told to give him an easy ride, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
because he'd had a very rough one in prison. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
Not at all good at the work, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
because he had a habit of... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
curling up and going to sleep behind the safe. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
And we put it down to the fact that | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
he was still recovering from being in a camp. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
But not so dozy when it came to stealing secrets for the KGB. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
It was the investigative writer Tom Bower | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
who first grilled him publicly on this. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
Whenever it took your fancy, you just photographed documents? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
Well, not when it took my fancy, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:51 | |
but when I realised it was the right opportunity. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
When it did, I would wait, maybe till lunchtime. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
I had a room to myself, so when the secretaries were away, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
I photographed the documents. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
Then he would get the Tube to a prearranged rendezvous | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
with his Soviet contact and hand the secrets over. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
-Any nerves? -In the beginning, but not afterwards. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
How did you divide your day, between working for SIS | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
and working for the KGB? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
I just worked for SIS | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
and whenever I saw something | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
which I thought might interest the KGB, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
I simply, quickly photographed it. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
-But it was a betrayal, it was traitorous. -It was, yes. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
-Did that ever cross your mind? -Oh, yes. Of course it did. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
If he didn't have any documents to steal, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
he'd have lunch with Montagnon. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
George was an engaging creature, who I liked a lot. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
He was very affable... | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
and easy-going... | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
jolly... | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
What sort of things did you chat about? | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
His previous existence, as a Dutch resistance hero... | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
..because that was quite interesting. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
George was a bon viveur. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
He liked to eat well. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
We used to go down to these wonderful Soho restaurants | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
and wend our way back | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
and carry on with the MI6 stuff. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
The principal focus of attention | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
for MI6 and their counterparts in the CIA | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
was here, in Berlin. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
The city was awash with rival spies, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
but the Soviets were winning. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
The paramilitary operations | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
that were designed to put human beings behind the Iron Curtain | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
were not working. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
It was a series of unmitigated disasters. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
It became clear that human agents were not going to do the trick | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
and that technological means of espionage had to be developed. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
Thus was the plan for the Berlin Tunnel conceived. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
Back in London, Christmas was coming | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
and Blake was about to deliver | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
his first great gift to the Soviet Union. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
One morning in late December, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
he was called to a top-level meeting in Carlton Gardens | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
to consider ways of tapping into the Berlin telephone system. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
The man on the American side was Bill Harvey. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
Harvey was a pear-shaped man | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
with bulging eyes, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
who usually carried two handguns on his person | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
and was rarely sober, after noon. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
He was a three-Martini man at lunch - | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
two doubles and a single. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
And yet, from this pickled brain | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
emerged not the original concept of the tunnel, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
but the execution of the tunnel... | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
..as he served as chief of the Berlin base. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
The head of the British technical section | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
was a very small man | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
with a very squeaky voice | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
and with Bill Harvey's subterranean rumbling... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:31 | |
and this pipsqueak...voice, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
it was rather entertaining. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
It was like a bit of Viennese opera. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Blake's job was to take the secret minutes - | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
every word a jewel for the KGB. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
How long did the meeting last? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
It went on for hours, because we had to look at the, um.. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
..right place to dig the tunnel. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
So it was dark, by the time the meeting broke up. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
They'd made their choice | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
and most people went off into the night, for Christmas. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
Not George Blake. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
After the meeting had finished and everyone had gone away | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
and had a quiet moment, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
he photocopied all the minutes | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
and early next year, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
he takes a copy of the minutes of | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
this astonishing, original eavesdropping operation | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
to his KGB handler | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
and he actually hands them over to him | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
on the top deck of a London bus. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
This is the place they had chosen - the Schonefelder Chausee. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
The cable was running down the right-hand side here, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
where these cars are parked. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
That was the Soviet side - look at the buildings today. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
The West was over there, among the trees. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
It was wasteland, then. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
But what the Americans did was, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
they built some sort of low factory, like that one, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
as a way of disguising all the earth | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
they were digging out from the ground. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
Big building, bristling with antennae, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
to make the Soviets and East Germans think | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
that it was for the interception of...broadcast communications, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:23 | |
not the cable communications. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
And a few feet below the surface of this road | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
crouched Peter Montagnon and his team. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
There was a chamber that went up underneath the road | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
and you could hear all the Joseph Stalin tanks etc | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
rumbling across the top and everybody was dead nervous | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
that our rather creaky little hole in the ground | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
was going to fall in. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
But it was...good Boy Scout stuff. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
Terrific sense of triumph, presumably, when you...? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
When we got into the cables | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
and heard the first Russian voice - | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
yes, absolutely. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
They were discussing sex and the officers, as usual(!) | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
Now, this - | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
on this deceptive little street - | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
is the nerve centre of the Soviet administration in East Germany. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
And this is the place whose phone calls they were trying to intercept. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
But even though the KGB shared a building here | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
with the Soviet army, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:36 | |
they didn't breathe a word to them about the tunnel. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
They didn't want the secret of him | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
to spread beyond the Lubyanka. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
They didn't want the GRU, the military intelligence... | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
They didn't want the Red Army to know. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
So they let it run. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
They let their secrets spill forth, really to protect Blake. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
It was nearly a year before the KGB felt they could stage this | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
pantomime discovery without putting Blake at risk. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
They gathered the media together and milked the moment. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
And as you can see from this only recently declassified CIA report, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
the KGB ploy to protect Blake worked. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
The conclusion reached at that time | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
was that the blowing of the Berlin tunnel... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
..was purely the result of unfortunate circumstances beyond our control. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:43 | |
Of course, this was what spy services everywhere do. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
It must be a technological problem, | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
it must be a machine - it can't be one of us! | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
Come along, I want to show you the little apples. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
From the moment that the blossoms starts, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
I look at them every day, you see. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Did they catch on or didn't they? | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
Trudi Wesserling now lives on a farm near the Dutch border with Germany. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:16 | |
50 years ago, she and George Blake were good friends | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
and he would confide in her. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
He said, I didn't really want to marry. I'm quite happy with Gillian, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:27 | |
but I didn't really want to marry. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
We didn't know why he didn't want to marry Gillian. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
But that's what he said. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
Gillian was the woman he'd met at work when he came back from Korea. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
Their romance began in Carlton Gardens | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
whilst he was passing on secrets to the communists. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
Do you think it was because he knew that ultimately | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
he was going to betray her? | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
I think so. I think that was the reason, yes. Yes. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
Neal Ascherson, a few years younger than Blake, had known her for years. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
We were all children in Scotland. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
Gillian was very pretty, sparky and mocking. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
She realised then and in later encounters | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
that I was attracted to her, which I was. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
And she regarded me as an absurd | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
and uncouth kind of figure | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
and she referred to me as Goofy. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
By now, Goofy was at Cambridge. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
Famously described by historian Eric Hobsbawm, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
as perhaps the brightest student he'd ever taught. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
One day, he had a blast from the past. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
I saw Gillian to my complete surprise with this dark man, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:46 | |
who as far as I remember had a beard. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
She introduced me - this is George - George Blake. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
And I was impressed by how happy she seemed to be. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
This was in contrast to the man she was with. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
I assumed at the time that he just thought, "Oh, this is some old flame | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
"and I do not need this", you know. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
The two of them then got married. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
Did you think that they were suited to each other? | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
As much as anybody is suited to anybody else. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
I knew her father was a senior guy in MI6 | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
and that was about it. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
When Kim Philby had been recruited to the KGB, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
he was ordered to get rid of his new wife | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
because she had the wrong political colours. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
Did Blake get an order like that in reverse? | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
Would he get an order like that? Yes, he might. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
From the Soviet controller's point of view, the question of whether | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
he should or should not marry a colleague in SIS - | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
who had SIS relations, as well - was a pretty big opportunity. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
Whatever the reason, Blake arrived in Berlin for his next assignment | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
a married man and still above suspicion. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
And this is where George Blake and his new wife Gillian settled. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
A nice leafy street in a smart part of the British sector. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
And this is where he worked. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Hitler's Olympic Stadium. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
Nazi architecture at its best. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Well, he didn't work in it, of course. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
SIS had offices around to the right. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
Blake's job in Berlin was to run agents. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
He was to find agents, to run agents, to bring in information. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
I mean, Berlin in the 1950s, in the mid-1950s, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
was a haven for spies. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
ACCORDION MUSIC | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
Berlin taught me one thing, which is that almost all intelligence work | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
is just a black market in information. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
These people are black marketeers. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
The Berlin Wall had not yet been built and it was possible to move | 0:50:13 | 0:50:17 | |
from one sector to another, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
which suited Blake perfectly. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
This is Friedrichstrasse, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
just going into what used to be the East German sector. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
Blake would come here, get out a couple of stops further on, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
do his business, then come back. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
How much material did you hand over in that period? | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
-Well, that I cannot tell you. -Why not? -Because it's so much. -So much? | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
-Yes. -You don't even know how much you handed over? -No, I don't. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
You fooled MI6 pretty well. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
I suspect, for Blake, there was a thrill-seeking element. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
Whether it applies to all spies, I don't know. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
But there's certainly an element of getting one over on somebody. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
Of getting away with it and teaching them. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
His wife Gillian, I believe, also thought in retrospect | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
there was a control element. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
That it gave him a sense of empowerment that - | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
I know something you don't. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
I'm doing something you don't. I'm winning. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
But it was a dangerous game, where the cleverest move | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
could be trumped at any moment. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
As a journalist in the Cold War, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
I was approached from time to time | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
by intelligence services - East and West... | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
..see if I could be used, one thing or another. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
But one thing you learn very quickly - | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
particularly in Berlin, of course - is that the moment you sign up | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
to something like that, the other side knows. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
One of Blake's informants in this double-crossing world | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
was a man called Horst Eitner. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
Horst Eitner was a man who liked to go out | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
and tackle the Berlin night scene. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
His wife was also an agent - she was a Russian agent. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
They were out drinking one night in a Berlin bar, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
he was with two other women and he was flirting with one of them | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
and she got so fed up with him, she said, "If you don't stop that, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
"I'm going to go to the nearest police station | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
"and tell them about you." | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
And his behaviour didn't improve in the evening and she did go | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
to a police station and tell them, "My husband's a double agent. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
"He's working for the British and Russian intelligence services." | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
And it was the start of the trail which led to Blake. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
By the time Blake left Berlin, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
he had betrayed virtually every agent working for the British. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
But the noose he'd thrust his own neck into was tightening. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
In 1960, Blake was sent by his grateful bosses to Lebanon. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
He was going to learn Arabic at the centre for Arabic studies. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
The so-called School for Spies. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
Set up by the Foreign Office, in a mountain village called Shemlan. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
By then, Louis Wessling was an oil executive | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
and he joined the school at the same time as Blake. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
When people came just out of university of Oxford, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
with first-class results, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
it was genuinely a race - an academic race - who was best. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
And funnily enough, George Blake was number one. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
High in the mountains, Wessling and his wife became close friends of the Blakes. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
I particularly liked George, I was very fond of him, actually, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
because he was part Dutch and we used to talk a little Dutch together. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:45 | |
He loved to do that. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
The real professional diplomats who were not spies | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
did not find him a very interesting man. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:57 | |
He was, of course, admired for his Arabic. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
But, yeah, I think he considered me as a friend. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
Cut off from the intrigues of Berlin and London, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Blake seemed to drop his guard. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
We talked about the future of England | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
and he saw that in totally different way | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
that any other Foreign Office man saw that. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
And I wondered at the time, and I said to my wife, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
-is that allowed that he talks like that? -And what were your views? | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
Shall I say that? I was as red as a brick... | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
-..at that time. -And did he seem quite attracted to that? | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
Yes, he liked that. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
He liked that very much and he was egging me on to say all kinds | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
of nonsense of how I would think | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
the world should be arranged. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
He said the royal house of Windsor was finished. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
The people won't stand up for it any more | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
and he was critical of class system. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
He was leftist, leftist view. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
Never heard of that. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
A few months into the course, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
a spy ring back in London was put on trial. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
He said it is not as important as you think. And I said, why not? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
He said, because these people did it for money. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
If people spy for their principle, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
those are the ones that are really dangerous. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
Far away from Beirut, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
something really dangerous to Blake had already happened. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
A Polish intelligence officer had turned traitor, too. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
A good traitor, this one. Because it was the communists he'd betrayed. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
Back in London, MI6 realised that his information led remorselessly | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
to the unsuspecting George Blake. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
It was the last party before we all said goodbye | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
and I danced with George. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
He was holding me quite tight | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
but that was because he was a little drunk, I think. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
-Flirting a bit? -Absolutely. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
I was saying to him the usual nonsense. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
I said about the division of riches in the world and how unjust | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
it all was and George suddenly said to me, "Are you one of us?" | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
I said, "what do you mean, George?" "Oh," he said "nothing, nothing." | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
-Do you think that he was longing... -Longing to tell the story. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
Longing to have somebody who could share it. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
He didn't have long to wait. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
One night soon afterwards Blake ran into Nicholas Elliott, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
head of MI6 operations in Beirut. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
Elliott said to him, "George, they'd like you to go back to Broadway." | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
And Blake was very surprised about this. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
And then Nicholas Elliott said, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
"Well, I think it's about a future posting, a new job of some sort." | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
Blake smelt a rat immediately | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
and arranged to meet his Soviet handler on a nearby beach. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
And his handler said, "Look, I don't think there's a problem here, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
"I think you should go back. I think you shouldn't be worried" and that's how it was left. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
You can imagine that they thought that Blake might be in trouble. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
But what they would also have thought | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
was that Blake would find a way out of it. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
Ride the storm, as it were. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
Back in Shemlan, Blake told no-one. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
His closest friends gathered to celebrate the likelihood of his promotion. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
We had champagne and we were congratulating George. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
He said, this is going to be wonderful | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
and we'll have a party again when you come back, etc etc. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
Louis and I were happier for him than he was himself. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
He was certainly in doubt about things, | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
what was going to happen if he went back to England, yes. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
And rightly so. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
Two days later, he turns up here sharp at ten o'clock as instructed | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
where he is met by a man called Harry Shergold. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
At that stage, at probably 10:01, he's not feeling worried. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:50 | |
But then Shergold says, we're going to take a little walk | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 | |
and we're going to go across St James's Park | 0:58:54 | 0:58:56 | |
and we're going to go to Carlton Gardens. | 0:58:56 | 0:58:58 | |
And I think that's when he starts realising | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
that this isn't any ordinary sort of meeting | 0:59:02 | 0:59:04 | |
and he just might have a problem or two. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:07 | |
when Blake arrived for the interrogation, | 0:59:09 | 0:59:13 | |
he was taken to this room, I think. | 0:59:13 | 0:59:16 | |
Ground floor on the right, I was told. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
Overlooking the park. | 0:59:19 | 0:59:21 | |
There was a table - not this one, I'm sure - | 0:59:24 | 0:59:27 | |
but with chairs around it for the interrogators. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:31 | |
Outside - the park and sunlight. | 0:59:34 | 0:59:37 | |
Inside - in his head - gloom, I imagine. | 0:59:38 | 0:59:42 | |
Downstairs, a tape recorder was ready. | 0:59:47 | 0:59:50 | |
Publicly, SIS don't admit that a recording of the interview exists. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:58 | |
But it's actually been used for training agents. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:03 | |
For two days they got nowhere. | 1:00:03 | 1:00:06 | |
Shergold and his colleagues are plugging away. | 1:00:06 | 1:00:08 | |
You say you weren't a Soviet agent, we have such and such evidence. | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
And Blake is doing what any double agent should do | 1:00:12 | 1:00:17 | |
and deny all this sort of stuff. | 1:00:17 | 1:00:20 | |
Blake could have just walked away at any time, he wasn't charged. | 1:00:20 | 1:00:24 | |
They couldn't hold him at all. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:27 | |
The evidence was probably not usable in court without his confession. | 1:00:27 | 1:00:31 | |
Why do you think he didn't walk away? | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
Maybe that guilt thing. | 1:00:35 | 1:00:37 | |
Maybe the need to justify himself | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
even to those whom he had most offended. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:43 | |
The breakthrough came unexpectedly... | 1:00:46 | 1:00:50 | |
..on the morning of the third day. | 1:00:51 | 1:00:54 | |
What I've heard is that he didn't confess | 1:00:54 | 1:00:58 | |
in answer to a direct accusation. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:00 | |
He confessed in answer to a more oblique question, | 1:01:00 | 1:01:02 | |
which was a hypothetical one. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:05 | |
What would you expect us to do if you were in our position? | 1:01:05 | 1:01:08 | |
"We understand the pressures you were under. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:11 | |
"We understand that out in Korea you were put under extreme pressure | 1:01:11 | 1:01:16 | |
"and by force of that - you turned sides. | 1:01:16 | 1:01:19 | |
"You went over, you said you would spy for the Soviets." | 1:01:19 | 1:01:22 | |
'And when they said that, something happened to me, | 1:01:26 | 1:01:29 | |
'which even today I may find difficult to account for | 1:01:29 | 1:01:33 | |
'and it certainly goes against all logic of self-preservation.' | 1:01:33 | 1:01:37 | |
But my reaction - and it was a sort of gut reaction, was, | 1:01:37 | 1:01:41 | |
"Oh, no. I have not been tortured. | 1:01:41 | 1:01:46 | |
"I have not been blackmailed. | 1:01:46 | 1:01:48 | |
"I went to the Soviet intelligence service myself. | 1:01:50 | 1:01:55 | |
"I established contact with them | 1:01:55 | 1:01:58 | |
"and I offered them my services of my own free will." | 1:01:58 | 1:02:03 | |
And who knows what provoked that actual moment. | 1:02:03 | 1:02:06 | |
He may not know himself, because after all, people's account | 1:02:06 | 1:02:09 | |
of why they did what they did at the time | 1:02:09 | 1:02:11 | |
will vary from what they say at the time about it, | 1:02:11 | 1:02:14 | |
from what they say a week later. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:16 | |
Of what they might say in court | 1:02:16 | 1:02:18 | |
and what they say in their autobiography many years later. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:21 | |
The dam had been completely burst then | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
and Blake absolutely went on and told them everything. | 1:02:24 | 1:02:29 | |
-What was the look on their faces? -Of great amazement. | 1:02:29 | 1:02:32 | |
Back in Lebanon, his wife Gillian was waiting with two children | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
and a third on the way. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:40 | |
Blake's friend and former colleague, John Quine, | 1:02:40 | 1:02:43 | |
came up to Shemlan to tell her the truth. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:45 | |
He told her to sit down, he'd pour them a glass of whisky | 1:02:45 | 1:02:48 | |
and he had something rather extraordinary to tell her. | 1:02:48 | 1:02:51 | |
Poor Gillian. That was my first reaction. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:56 | |
It is so difficult to understand that somebody | 1:02:56 | 1:02:59 | |
who's just your neighbour and you had a friendly relation with, | 1:02:59 | 1:03:04 | |
that he could do such a thing. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:09 | |
And yet he did. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:11 | |
It was my Eureka moment. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
That's it! | 1:03:13 | 1:03:15 | |
That's why he is so reserved and want to be open | 1:03:15 | 1:03:19 | |
but cannot be fully open. | 1:03:19 | 1:03:21 | |
Hold something back from me. He's a friend but not a total friend. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:26 | |
That's it. | 1:03:26 | 1:03:27 | |
HEAVY DOORS SLAMMING | 1:03:27 | 1:03:30 | |
By the time Blake confessed, many British agents in Berlin | 1:03:39 | 1:03:44 | |
were already paying a price for his treachery. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:46 | |
This is a cell in the notorious Stasi prison... | 1:03:47 | 1:03:51 | |
..where people that Blake had betrayed were held until their fate was decided. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:58 | |
No evidence of this was produced at Blake's short trial. | 1:04:02 | 1:04:06 | |
But he was sentenced himself to what seemed like a vengeful 42 years | 1:04:06 | 1:04:11 | |
in a British jail. | 1:04:11 | 1:04:13 | |
Within SIS, the Holy Grail was the identity of agents | 1:04:13 | 1:04:17 | |
and anyone who destroys that, who gives away the identities | 1:04:17 | 1:04:20 | |
of agents - let alone gets them killed - it is just unforgivable. | 1:04:20 | 1:04:24 | |
That is a sin against the Holy Ghost of espionage. | 1:04:24 | 1:04:28 | |
The sentence was unprecedented and Blake appealed. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:31 | |
This document is the one he prepared to help his defence counsel | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
make this plea in mitigation. | 1:04:35 | 1:04:38 | |
And he's saying - you can see - | 1:04:38 | 1:04:40 | |
he's stipulated that the names he'd given should not be arrested. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:44 | |
Should only be used by the Russians to protect themselves and so on. | 1:04:44 | 1:04:48 | |
The appeal was rejected and one usually well-informed journalist | 1:04:51 | 1:04:55 | |
made the explicit connection. | 1:04:55 | 1:04:57 | |
My investigations reveal... | 1:04:57 | 1:04:59 | |
disappeared... been executed. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:02 | |
One year for each agent betrayed. | 1:05:04 | 1:05:07 | |
But out on the front line it wasn't so simple. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:13 | |
When the story broke, Neil Ascherson was in Berlin working for the Observer. | 1:05:13 | 1:05:19 | |
He managed to locate Horst Eitner, | 1:05:19 | 1:05:21 | |
the man whose flirting had helped uncover Blake. | 1:05:21 | 1:05:25 | |
I said to him, | 1:05:25 | 1:05:26 | |
"It's terrible what happened to all these people betrayed by Blake." | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
He said, "No, no, no. | 1:05:29 | 1:05:31 | |
"Once they had the list, they just went round to them and said, | 1:05:31 | 1:05:35 | |
"Now, look. We can play this the hard way | 1:05:35 | 1:05:39 | |
"or there's an easy way. How would you... | 1:05:39 | 1:05:42 | |
"The easy way is just to start working for us | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
"and not telling them that you're working for us." | 1:05:46 | 1:05:50 | |
On the other hand... "Oh, no. No, you don't need to go into that." | 1:05:55 | 1:05:59 | |
So, according to Eitner, most of them chose the easy way | 1:05:59 | 1:06:03 | |
and, no, they were not executed. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
In fact, executions for spying in Germany were by then quite rare. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:11 | |
And later when Blake talked to Tom Bower, that hint of remorse | 1:06:11 | 1:06:15 | |
in his mitigation statement had been replaced | 1:06:15 | 1:06:19 | |
by a whiff of professional pride. | 1:06:19 | 1:06:21 | |
-You gave away the identity of every agent? -Every agent, yes. | 1:06:21 | 1:06:26 | |
-Operating on behalf of MI6? -Yes. -How many is that? -I can't say. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:32 | |
But it must have been, oh... I don't know, but maybe 500, 600. | 1:06:32 | 1:06:38 | |
Did you consider that one of those who you'd betrayed might be executed? | 1:06:41 | 1:06:45 | |
-I had been assured that that wouldn't be the case. -By whom? | 1:06:45 | 1:06:49 | |
-By the people with whom I was in contact. -By the KGB? -Yes. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:54 | |
And you actually said to them, "What will happen to these people?" | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
Yes, I said to them, "I'll only give you this information | 1:06:57 | 1:07:00 | |
"if you can assure me that these people will not be executed." | 1:07:00 | 1:07:04 | |
From the late '50s, most cases of spying on German soil | 1:07:06 | 1:07:10 | |
were actually handled by the Stasi - the East German secret police. | 1:07:10 | 1:07:15 | |
So, to check out Blake's claim, | 1:07:15 | 1:07:16 | |
I went down to the place where you can ask to see their files. | 1:07:16 | 1:07:20 | |
Inside, I found a document which looked like a smoking gun. | 1:07:21 | 1:07:25 | |
The names have been blacked out but the words are pretty chilling. | 1:07:26 | 1:07:30 | |
The Stasi is saying that Blake did a lot to help them liquidate | 1:07:30 | 1:07:34 | |
the agent rings of the British. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:37 | |
And given them the names they say of 100, | 1:07:37 | 1:07:41 | |
not 500 or 600 spies. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:43 | |
And then they list what they say are the most dangerous of them. | 1:07:44 | 1:07:48 | |
A stenographer in the Council of Ministers. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
A colonel in the army, | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
an official on the Planning Commission and so on. | 1:07:53 | 1:07:56 | |
These were not people who'd get off lightly. | 1:07:56 | 1:07:59 | |
The blacking out seems very final. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:01 | |
But in a country of meticulous records, nothing is lost for ever. | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
I managed to find the hidden names and gave them to a man | 1:08:09 | 1:08:13 | |
who knew all the German archives inside out. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
Bernd-Rainer Barth is a specialist in espionage | 1:08:17 | 1:08:21 | |
and soon came up with some answers. | 1:08:21 | 1:08:23 | |
We found out from the files of the Ministry of Interior | 1:08:23 | 1:08:28 | |
that the stenographer got a lifetime imprisonment. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:32 | |
The third one, the member of the State Planning Commission, | 1:08:32 | 1:08:37 | |
got lifetime imprisonment. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:41 | |
The fourth one who was an official | 1:08:41 | 1:08:44 | |
in the Ministry for Mechanical Engineering | 1:08:44 | 1:08:47 | |
he got 15 years, reduced to ten years. | 1:08:47 | 1:08:51 | |
The next one, who was an official in the Ministry of Foreign Trade, | 1:08:53 | 1:08:58 | |
he got also lifetime imprisonment. | 1:08:58 | 1:09:01 | |
The last one, a woman, got five years and was still alive. | 1:09:01 | 1:09:06 | |
So, I went to find her. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
400, 500 metres, I think. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:11 | |
She was visibly shaken by our arrival and still so scarred | 1:09:11 | 1:09:15 | |
by the memory of what she'd been through, she didn't want to talk. | 1:09:15 | 1:09:20 | |
Which left only the colonel unaccounted for. | 1:09:20 | 1:09:23 | |
He was probably one of the rare examples | 1:09:23 | 1:09:28 | |
in the second part of the '50s, | 1:09:28 | 1:09:32 | |
who was given to the Soviet authorities. | 1:09:32 | 1:09:34 | |
-So, you think the colonel might have been executed? -Yes. | 1:09:36 | 1:09:39 | |
All but one of the others were released by the end of the '60s. | 1:09:41 | 1:09:44 | |
Deal or no deal? | 1:09:45 | 1:09:47 | |
Almost certainly no deal. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:50 | |
But this first hard evidence left that question still unanswered. | 1:09:50 | 1:09:54 | |
This is where the righteous traitor himself ended up. | 1:10:02 | 1:10:05 | |
One of his first visitors was his newborn son | 1:10:09 | 1:10:12 | |
in the arms of his long-suffering wife. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
Although she stayed loyal for the next four years, | 1:10:17 | 1:10:19 | |
Blake was soon settling in to his new life. | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
Apparently, a model prisoner. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:24 | |
Spies, child abusers, and at that time, | 1:10:26 | 1:10:31 | |
probably still homosexuals, were the lowest of the low | 1:10:31 | 1:10:36 | |
in terms of how they were regarded by other prisoners. | 1:10:36 | 1:10:39 | |
But George made an impression and I think he made it because | 1:10:41 | 1:10:46 | |
he seemed to be taking this 42 year sentence in his stride. | 1:10:46 | 1:10:51 | |
MUSIC: Prelude in C Minor, BWV 934 by Bach | 1:10:51 | 1:10:54 | |
Michael Randle is the last man alive of the three | 1:10:59 | 1:11:02 | |
who got him out of jail. | 1:11:02 | 1:11:04 | |
He didn't condone spying, | 1:11:04 | 1:11:05 | |
but thought Blake's sentence was inhumane. | 1:11:05 | 1:11:08 | |
He was in the Scrubs, himself, because of the energy with which | 1:11:10 | 1:11:14 | |
he'd campaigned for nuclear disarmament. | 1:11:14 | 1:11:17 | |
We were organising a demonstration at Wethersfield air base - | 1:11:17 | 1:11:20 | |
an American air base where nuclear weapons were stored. | 1:11:20 | 1:11:24 | |
A group of us who were actually organising it were arrested | 1:11:24 | 1:11:28 | |
and charged under the Official Secrets Act | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
and sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment. | 1:11:31 | 1:11:34 | |
Randle and his wife Anne now live in Yorkshire. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
In jail, his best friend was Pat Pottle. | 1:11:37 | 1:11:40 | |
I'm there and there's Anne. That's Pat Pottle. | 1:11:40 | 1:11:45 | |
And it was with Pat that Blake first broached the idea of escaping. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:49 | |
They were at the urinals together and... | 1:11:49 | 1:11:53 | |
These things happen in the urinals, as you know... | 1:11:54 | 1:11:58 | |
Pat said to him, "Have you ever thought of escaping?" | 1:11:59 | 1:12:03 | |
And George said, "I never think of anything else." | 1:12:03 | 1:12:07 | |
The escape plan went into action one night in October 1966. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:14 | |
Although Blake had help inside, the main movers were Pottle, | 1:12:15 | 1:12:19 | |
Randle and an Irishman called Sean Bourke, who were all free by then. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:24 | |
The astonishing thing was that they didn't get caught. | 1:12:26 | 1:12:29 | |
Bourke turned up knowing Blake was on the other side waiting for him. | 1:12:29 | 1:12:34 | |
He flung a rope ladder up there. | 1:12:34 | 1:12:38 | |
It wasn't quite so high in those days. | 1:12:38 | 1:12:41 | |
Blake caught it the other side, climbed over... | 1:12:42 | 1:12:45 | |
..and was down. | 1:12:48 | 1:12:50 | |
And they went down to that road there and got into a getaway car... | 1:12:50 | 1:12:55 | |
..and set off the mile or so to the safe house. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:01 | |
Bourke had found a place in a nearby street for them both | 1:13:04 | 1:13:07 | |
to hole up in before the alarm went up. | 1:13:07 | 1:13:10 | |
'It's believed that he got out of D Block where he was housed | 1:13:10 | 1:13:12 | |
'with 320 other long-term first offenders, | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
'by smashing a window and sawing through an iron bar.' | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
Within hours, Randle got a call. | 1:13:18 | 1:13:21 | |
Not from the police but the press. | 1:13:21 | 1:13:23 | |
Two journalists rang me and said, "You were in prison with George Blake, | 1:13:23 | 1:13:28 | |
"have you any idea of who might have been involved in this?" | 1:13:28 | 1:13:33 | |
"Well, no! Why would I?" | 1:13:33 | 1:13:36 | |
-Did the police, did you ever get a... -Well, this is it. | 1:13:36 | 1:13:39 | |
You see, once I had those calls from the journalists, I thought, | 1:13:39 | 1:13:44 | |
well, if they can get on to it within a couple of hours | 1:13:44 | 1:13:47 | |
we've got to be prepared for them | 1:13:47 | 1:13:49 | |
to knock on our door and interview us. | 1:13:49 | 1:13:52 | |
But that never happened. | 1:13:52 | 1:13:55 | |
'The police are anxious to trace the movements of this car | 1:13:55 | 1:13:58 | |
'between the last time it was seen, which was at 6.30 on the evening | 1:13:58 | 1:14:01 | |
'of the escape in the vicinity of Wormwood Scrubs...' | 1:14:01 | 1:14:03 | |
In fact, Blake was in no shape to go anywhere. | 1:14:03 | 1:14:06 | |
He'd actually knocked himself out, he had a cut about here | 1:14:06 | 1:14:10 | |
and he'd not slept all night because of the pain. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:15 | |
-So, he did look rather gruesome. -His fall had broken his wrist. | 1:14:16 | 1:14:20 | |
So, they found a sympathetic doctor and something to fix it with. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:24 | |
We knew someone who knew how to get hold of plaster of Paris bandages | 1:14:24 | 1:14:29 | |
from the BBC make-up department in the Doctor Who studios. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:34 | |
'We assume from this theory that he came the 12 miles or so | 1:14:35 | 1:14:39 | |
'from Wormwood Scrubs to London airport in a car.' | 1:14:39 | 1:14:43 | |
Not exactly. | 1:14:43 | 1:14:44 | |
The safe house turned out to be an unsafe bedsitter | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
with a shared bathroom. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:49 | |
So, they hurriedly found a couple who said they could use their flat. | 1:14:50 | 1:14:54 | |
A couple of days later I met up with the woman. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:58 | |
She was obviously feeling very nervous and she said to me, | 1:14:58 | 1:15:01 | |
"Who are these people? | 1:15:01 | 1:15:04 | |
"Why are they having to hide?" And I said, "Well, one of them is George Blake." | 1:15:05 | 1:15:10 | |
She stopped in the road and she said in a loud voice, "GEORGE BLAKE?!" | 1:15:10 | 1:15:16 | |
'Now, the hunt has spread much wider. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
'Ports are being watched and trips, notably from the Eastern countries | 1:15:18 | 1:15:22 | |
'for whom he worked, are almost certainly under surveillance.' | 1:15:22 | 1:15:26 | |
The next day, the woman's husband came round to say his wife | 1:15:26 | 1:15:29 | |
had been so upset she told her therapist. | 1:15:29 | 1:15:33 | |
You mean, about us? | 1:15:33 | 1:15:35 | |
He said, "Oh, yes. Yes. | 1:15:35 | 1:15:38 | |
"The therapy doesn't work unless you're completely honest." | 1:15:38 | 1:15:41 | |
Sean Bourke dived under the bed, got his suitcase out | 1:15:43 | 1:15:47 | |
and started throwing things in it and said, "I'm off." | 1:15:47 | 1:15:50 | |
And George, who was always very much self-controlled, said, | 1:15:50 | 1:15:55 | |
"I think in all the circumstances, we should move somewhere else." | 1:15:55 | 1:16:00 | |
But his luck held. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:03 | |
The therapist said the hullabaloo had simply caused the wife to hallucinate. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:08 | |
At times I felt like we were immune. | 1:16:08 | 1:16:11 | |
Everyone was looking for him and yet nobody found. | 1:16:11 | 1:16:15 | |
It just seemed like we were floating around in a bit of a balloon. | 1:16:15 | 1:16:20 | |
After eight weeks of this comedy of errors, | 1:16:20 | 1:16:23 | |
they decided it was time to go. | 1:16:23 | 1:16:25 | |
They made their escape in a van, rather like the one they still have. | 1:16:28 | 1:16:32 | |
There was a long bench seat here to the back | 1:16:32 | 1:16:37 | |
which was hinged and... | 1:16:37 | 1:16:41 | |
-when you lifted the hinge, he would be hidden... -Oh, underneath! | 1:16:41 | 1:16:47 | |
..underneath. So, when we were travelling, the hinge would be down | 1:16:47 | 1:16:53 | |
so it would be a complete bed and the children would be sleeping on top of it. | 1:16:53 | 1:16:56 | |
Most of the journey was relatively uneventful | 1:16:58 | 1:17:00 | |
though Blake got carsick in the secret compartment. | 1:17:00 | 1:17:04 | |
The first time that we had any kind of inspection was at the East-West | 1:17:04 | 1:17:10 | |
German checkpoint and there they did come down to look at the van, | 1:17:10 | 1:17:14 | |
opened it up... | 1:17:14 | 1:17:16 | |
As soon as they saw the children asleep... | 1:17:16 | 1:17:21 | |
No! No, they weren't going to bother. | 1:17:21 | 1:17:24 | |
You know, they didn't want to disturb the children. | 1:17:24 | 1:17:27 | |
So, they didn't look. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:29 | |
SHE EXHALES SHARPLY | 1:17:31 | 1:17:32 | |
We drove on that grim motorway | 1:17:35 | 1:17:40 | |
-from Helmstedt. -Helmstedt. | 1:17:40 | 1:17:42 | |
-Immediately, it became black. -There was no road lighting on the roads. | 1:17:42 | 1:17:47 | |
Potholes... That was frightening. | 1:17:47 | 1:17:50 | |
We drove until... | 1:17:52 | 1:17:54 | |
We could just see some lights in the distance, couldn't we? | 1:17:54 | 1:17:57 | |
Which would have been the checkpoint. | 1:17:57 | 1:17:59 | |
I remember George saying, "Well, we've done it." | 1:17:59 | 1:18:03 | |
I was thinking, "Well, you've made it, but will we?" | 1:18:03 | 1:18:08 | |
We'd said goodbye and then we left him at the side of a dark road | 1:18:11 | 1:18:16 | |
and there were just trees all around. Dark, black trees. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:20 | |
We just watched this receding figure. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:22 | |
Blake walked up to the guardhouse | 1:18:25 | 1:18:27 | |
and asked to speak to someone in the KGB. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:30 | |
I don't know, it just didn't seem to be real. | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
That was then, | 1:18:46 | 1:18:47 | |
and this - nearly 50 years on - is now. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:50 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 1:18:52 | 1:18:53 | |
The man on the left is George Blake. | 1:18:57 | 1:19:00 | |
Starting yet another winter in Russia. | 1:19:00 | 1:19:03 | |
Yeah. Well... | 1:19:03 | 1:19:05 | |
I prefer - we all prefer - the summer. | 1:19:05 | 1:19:10 | |
But it's inevitable that... | 1:19:10 | 1:19:14 | |
..the winter must come and then you try to make the best of it. | 1:19:16 | 1:19:20 | |
In fact, it's a long time, the winter is very long here. | 1:19:23 | 1:19:27 | |
His career as an active spy had lasted just eight years. | 1:19:29 | 1:19:34 | |
The dream for which he'd done so much damage to Britain is dead. | 1:19:37 | 1:19:41 | |
Spasiba. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:45 | |
When he'd arrived in the winter of 1966, | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
he was reinventing his life yet again in a strange, cold city. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:57 | |
His mother came to see him, but Gillian had divorced him | 1:19:58 | 1:20:02 | |
and he was cut off from his children in England. | 1:20:02 | 1:20:05 | |
But the KGB were good to him. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:12 | |
Like his fellow spy, Kim Philby, he was showered with medals | 1:20:12 | 1:20:16 | |
for his years in the field and given a flat near the city centre. | 1:20:16 | 1:20:20 | |
He got a job in a prestigious think-tank | 1:20:24 | 1:20:26 | |
a few stops south on the Metro. | 1:20:26 | 1:20:28 | |
And found a new wife, Ida. | 1:20:30 | 1:20:32 | |
They had a son Mikhail | 1:20:32 | 1:20:34 | |
and later his English children were reconciled, too. | 1:20:34 | 1:20:37 | |
The infinitely adaptable man. | 1:20:38 | 1:20:41 | |
SHE SPEAKS FRENCH | 1:20:42 | 1:20:43 | |
TRADITIONAL RUSSIAN SINGING | 1:21:12 | 1:21:14 | |
Each year, when spring returns, veterans of the old regime | 1:21:16 | 1:21:20 | |
happily belt out songs of what they call the great patriotic war. | 1:21:20 | 1:21:24 | |
But it's an illusion, | 1:21:26 | 1:21:28 | |
what's gone is the cause for which they fought and died. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:31 | |
One day, just before communism crumbled away, | 1:21:34 | 1:21:37 | |
Louis Wessling found himself in Moscow and invited Blake to lunch. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:42 | |
I called him and he was delighted. He said, "You are paying?" | 1:21:42 | 1:21:45 | |
I said, "Of course, I'll pay." | 1:21:45 | 1:21:47 | |
And he said, "Well, then, we must go to the best restaurant in Moscow | 1:21:47 | 1:21:52 | |
"opposite Lubyanka, the prison." | 1:21:52 | 1:21:55 | |
And he was very proud of Lubyanka. He said that Russians don't dare to walk | 1:21:56 | 1:22:01 | |
in front of it for fright of being taken in. | 1:22:01 | 1:22:06 | |
But he was clearly frustrated, said Wessling. | 1:22:09 | 1:22:11 | |
He was at the bitter end of his career. The war was over. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:16 | |
He said, "It is not the system, I'm still a Communist. | 1:22:16 | 1:22:20 | |
"It is the Russians who fucked it up." | 1:22:20 | 1:22:22 | |
And he said, "They never do anything right." | 1:22:23 | 1:22:27 | |
What he missed was the place where he was born. | 1:22:30 | 1:22:33 | |
"Can you get me a visa?" he asked his friend. | 1:22:33 | 1:22:36 | |
Don't ask me to get a visa, George. | 1:22:36 | 1:22:38 | |
If you go, you'll be glad to get out alive again | 1:22:38 | 1:22:42 | |
because people don't like you. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:43 | |
He didn't feel that at all. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:48 | |
He was childishly attached to go back to Holland. | 1:22:48 | 1:22:54 | |
And he had a totally different idea, | 1:22:54 | 1:22:58 | |
as if his past was forgiven and forgotten. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:02 | |
And I said, "No, it has not been forgotten." | 1:23:02 | 1:23:05 | |
When I was in Rotterdam myself, at the start of my journey, | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
I'd met a Dutch-speaking journalist called Simon Cooper. | 1:23:11 | 1:23:15 | |
He talked to Blake in Moscow a couple of years ago on the unusual condition | 1:23:15 | 1:23:19 | |
that anything he wrote would only be published in Dutch. | 1:23:19 | 1:23:23 | |
He told me, you arrive here and immediately as soon as you arrive | 1:23:23 | 1:23:26 | |
you'll see communism doesn't work. | 1:23:26 | 1:23:28 | |
And he said, "Well, I just came to terms with it. I moved on." | 1:23:28 | 1:23:32 | |
So, maybe it's this Calvinist idea that it was all predestined, | 1:23:32 | 1:23:35 | |
but he didn't struggle against his fate. | 1:23:35 | 1:23:38 | |
Once Blake believed that his fate was to help this country do God's work on Earth. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:45 | |
Look at it now. What did he think about that? I asked. | 1:23:48 | 1:23:52 | |
The condition of our interview is that | 1:23:52 | 1:23:54 | |
I wouldn't ask him about contemporary Russia. | 1:23:54 | 1:23:58 | |
Because I was told that Blake loathes Putin | 1:23:58 | 1:24:00 | |
and Putin is everything Blake doesn't like. | 1:24:00 | 1:24:03 | |
Putin is a cynic and he's violent. | 1:24:03 | 1:24:05 | |
But Blake is totally dependent on Putin and the security services | 1:24:05 | 1:24:09 | |
for his pension, so Blake doesn't want to say anything bad about Putin. | 1:24:09 | 1:24:12 | |
But of course he also doesn't want to say anything good about Putin, either. | 1:24:12 | 1:24:16 | |
I wanted to hear that from his own mouth. | 1:24:19 | 1:24:21 | |
But the message I got back from his family was that at 92, | 1:24:21 | 1:24:25 | |
he was too old to give another interview. | 1:24:25 | 1:24:28 | |
Still, one has to try. | 1:24:29 | 1:24:31 | |
Well, this is his street. Charming dachas | 1:24:34 | 1:24:38 | |
set in a charming wood. | 1:24:38 | 1:24:40 | |
Let's go and see if we can find the one where he lives. | 1:24:41 | 1:24:45 | |
This is the dacha he's been given | 1:24:51 | 1:24:53 | |
for his services to the Soviet cause. | 1:24:53 | 1:24:55 | |
I hadn't made an appointment, so I wasn't sure if anyone was in. | 1:24:56 | 1:25:00 | |
But then I saw him and he let me in. | 1:25:04 | 1:25:06 | |
We made small talk for a while. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:11 | |
-So, the next thing is that you do, is going to be this film... -No, film. | 1:25:11 | 1:25:15 | |
Yeah. I've sort of done quite a lot of it. | 1:25:15 | 1:25:18 | |
But as soon as I brought up the subject of Putin's Russia, | 1:25:18 | 1:25:21 | |
the shutters came down. | 1:25:21 | 1:25:24 | |
Well, that I don't want to dwell on at the moment. | 1:25:24 | 1:25:27 | |
I don't think that... that is not part of your... | 1:25:27 | 1:25:30 | |
and now you are taking this particular interview. | 1:25:30 | 1:25:34 | |
No, I don't think I want... | 1:25:34 | 1:25:36 | |
'Instead of the easy smile, | 1:25:36 | 1:25:39 | |
'the closed look of a man who can still keep secrets.' | 1:25:39 | 1:25:42 | |
So, I asked him the other way round. | 1:25:46 | 1:25:48 | |
Would he still like to return to the place where he grew up? | 1:25:48 | 1:25:51 | |
No, no, no, no. | 1:25:51 | 1:25:53 | |
And anyway, you see, I'm virtually blind. | 1:25:53 | 1:25:57 | |
And so that makes travelling very difficult and not much point in it. | 1:25:58 | 1:26:05 | |
-Because I can't see anyway... -Yeah. -..where I am. | 1:26:06 | 1:26:10 | |
And whether I'm talking to you here now, | 1:26:10 | 1:26:13 | |
or whether I'm talking to you in Rotterdam | 1:26:13 | 1:26:15 | |
doesn't make any difference. | 1:26:15 | 1:26:16 | |
-I suppose that's right. -That's right. | 1:26:16 | 1:26:19 | |
-But if you could get a visa? -It's not that I wouldn't get visa... | 1:26:19 | 1:26:25 | |
but I wouldn't be quite sure about what would happen to me. | 1:26:25 | 1:26:29 | |
They might arrest me | 1:26:29 | 1:26:31 | |
and hand me back to the British in some way or another. | 1:26:31 | 1:26:35 | |
So, here he is trapped in a beautiful backwater | 1:26:37 | 1:26:41 | |
he can no longer see. | 1:26:41 | 1:26:42 | |
He's never going to admit it, | 1:26:44 | 1:26:46 | |
but he must wonder whether it was all worthwhile. | 1:26:46 | 1:26:49 | |
SHE SPEAKS FRENCH | 1:26:49 | 1:26:51 | |
THEY LAUGH | 1:27:41 | 1:27:44 |