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The Great European Cigarette Mystery

A Storyville documentary: Two Danish journalists investigate an EU commissioner of health caught up in a scandal, having been accused of being in the pocket of 'big tobacco'.


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I would like to warmly congratulate the newly elected

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College of Commissioners,

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and, Mr President Barroso, all of you, congratulations.

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700,000 people a year die of tobacco.

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And I'm responsible for citizens' health.

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Following a fraud investigation, EU Commissioner for Health and Consumer

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Policy John Dalli has resigned with immediate effect.

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Mr Dalli. Michael.

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Nobody of us smokes, I think, I hope.

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I am using e-cigarettes.

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Which are as bad as the others.

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Before all this started, I had a meeting with Barroso in his office.

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It's the usual meeting that commissioners

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have with the president.

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And at the end, Barroso said, "Well, you know, this tobacco directive,"

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he said, "we're having a lot of problems with it."

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He said...

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He said, "Don't you think we should forget it?"

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I said, "Listen, I have a commitment with the...

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"with the European citizens. And I will not...

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"stop."

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Do you remember the moment you are aware

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that you are under investigation?

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That I am under investigation is on that meeting I had with Kessler.

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And he is the head of OLAF. He is the head of OLAF.

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He came to my office unannounced.

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And what does he ask?

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About a meeting I had with a...with a young lawyer, Gayle Kimberley,

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here in Malta.

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She was asking questions about tobacco, about snus.

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She was never registered as a lobbyist.

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She was not presented to me as a lobbyist.

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How was I to know that she is a lobbyist? OK?

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And then he said, "But then you made another appointment

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"to meet her on the tenth and you met on the tenth."

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I said, "No, didn't meet on the tenth."

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This meeting never happened.

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RECORDING: If you want to, I can tell you the story.

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I know that she wasn't...

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I know that she wasn't in the second meeting.

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But that I found out when OLAF told me.

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We have been told to keep by OLAF that there is an investigation

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going on in Malta. So...

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So, keep your version. Yeah, yeah, keep...

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To tell what you have said to us and what is your version,

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because we have done an investigation,

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there is Malta's investigations.

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It would be preferable that this is not disturbed,

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and this will definitely not help certain people if that comes out.

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Stick to the story.

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As a result of our investigation,

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it's turned out that these Maltese interpreters organised over...

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last time

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two meetings with the Commissioner and representative of the,

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let's say, snus companies.

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This is Kessler, you understand?

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He creates by inventing,

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fraudulently, this case.

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Silvio Zammit is one of those people.

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OK? He was very active in the political party that I come from.

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Kessler makes a lot that he is a close friend.

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No, I never have any business with him, this guy out...

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He's a friend, you know, like many other friends in my...

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In your local political network.

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Yes, in my local political network.

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I am very interested in the meeting with Swedish Match

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when they come here. You are interested in that?

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Yeah. OK. Can we walk through that meeting as it happens?

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Exactly. Of course, of course.

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We can. So, Gabrielsson, in the evening he arrives here?

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Yes. He sat there.

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They sit here. Gabrielsson and Gayle Kimberley?

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Uh-huh. And they are talking?

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He said to me,

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"What is the proposal for this lifting up of the ban?"

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And that is the ban on smokeless tobacco?

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Yes, yes, yes. But then I said to him, "It's 60 million."

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Yeah? You say it here?

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Yeah, yeah. But I need to understand, the 60 million euros,

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who was getting the 60 million euros?

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Was that you or Gayle Kimberley or...?

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No, it's for Gayle Kimberley and myself,

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so we set up the lobby group.

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But I am doing what Gayle is telling me to do.

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Yeah.

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But did they discuss that Mr Dalli would get a...

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a cut of the 60 million, was that part of the deal?

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No, for sure, not from my side. I don't know nothing about this.

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But did you hear them talking about that?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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We never talked about that.

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Hello, Miss Kimberley, this is journalist Mads Brugger.

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I really need to speak with you.

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I also wrote you an e-mail yesterday.

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Please give me a ring as soon as possible.

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I'm here in Malta. Hope to hear from you soon. Bye-bye.

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When she calls me, she said to me...

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She didn't say, "Hello, Silvio."

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She didn't say, "How are you?"

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She basically said, "How much would you charge us to meet Mr Dalli?"

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This telephone call was made from the offices of OLAF.

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It was recorded on OLAF equipment.

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In the presence of OLAF personnel.

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It was an entrapment. It was an entrapment and it was illegal.

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As a result of our investigation,

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it turned out that there is no conclusive evidence of the direct

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participation of Commissioner John Dalli

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as instigator or mastermind of the operation

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of requesting money for changing the decision of the commission.

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You know, it was stated in the report that there was no corruption.

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Mm. There is no corruption whatsoever.

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OK? The report simply states, OK,

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that I was not involved in creating this...

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..this discussions, OK?

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I was not involved in these discussions.

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OLAF states this.

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But he concludes I must have known.

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What is the essence of all of this?

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The essence of all of this was that I was kicked out of the picture.

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The directive was passed through, but in a diluted form.

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So, you feel like you are a victim of a set-up?

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I am a victim of a set-up by the tobacco company who wanted me out.

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So, the winner of this in a way...

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Is tobacco. Tobacco wins.

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Tobacco wins.

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OLAF, which investigates fraud within the EU institutions,

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has been in the spotlight ever since former Health Commissioner

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John Dalli had to resign due to bribe accusations in 2012.

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Later, though, OLAF itself and its director Giovanni Kessler came under

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fire due to the Dalli investigation,

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which was said to violate EU regulation.

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So, Mr Dalli, it's almost a year since we saw each other last time?

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It is. Yeah. Uh-huh.

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Time flies. And what has happened since we met?

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Well, quite a lot happened since we met.

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The most important thing for me is that my wife died.

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My condolences.

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She died from a massive heart attack.

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Again, I believe in God's providence as well.

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This became manifest some...

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couple of weeks ago.

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Out of the blues, I received an e-mail...

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..by a person unknown.

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Which said, basically, "Listen, I have in my hands...

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"..documentation and tapes...

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"..that show the corruption...

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"..of Barroso and the Commission in your case.

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"How they were colluding with the tobacco industry...

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"..to take you out of the way."

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Yeah.

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The first e-mail was received on the fifth of September, and it said,

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"Hi, I prefer to remain anonymous, if you will respect this, Sir.

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"So, there will be no phone calls, please.

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"I have a package of large volume files about Jose Manuel Barroso,

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"and representatives of a powerful tobacco lobby

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"in the US and continental Europe.

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"These documents will shake Europe.

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"Massive fraud and espionage."

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"These documents will shake Europe"?

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"Massive fraud and espionage."

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"Will be sent by courier only.

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"3,000 euros to my e-mail so, so-and-so."

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The person's name on the e-mail is Maria Zamora.

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Maria Zamora.

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So, too good to be true, in reality.

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Then I reply.

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"Dear Miss Zamora.

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"I would very much like to examine this material,

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"and this is why I invite you to spend a weekend break in Malta

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"at my expense, so that we can meet confidentially,

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"and review the matter."

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Answered on the fifth.

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"This is to confirm to you that I have no affiliation

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"whatsoever with Giovanni." And even this,

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she starts calling him Giovanni.

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So, she uses the first name of Kessler?

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Uses the first name of Kessler.

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What does that say?

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That says that she has...

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Either she knew him well, she worked with him...closely.

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Or that she has been going in the hallways of power in Brussels.

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That's right.

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I also reveal here that this matter has been considered a matter of life

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and death by some people.

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A matter of life and death.

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Yes, it is life and death. If this is true what she is saying,

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it is life and death.

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No doubt about it.

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"I checked the pieces of evidence again,

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"and found a recorded conversation

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"where your possible elimination was discussed at some point.

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"Not too sure what it meant, but the exact wordings are,

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" 'We can get him out of the equation.' "

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A recording? "We can get him out of the equation."

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A recorded conversation.

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"We can get him out of the equation."

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This was the last e-mail you received?

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Yes. And have you written to that person since?

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Not yet, not yet. So, this is where we are now?

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Exactly.

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I'm just saying something in Danish.

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Go, go, go, go, go.

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I'm saying, Mr Dalli, that if this is true,

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we will wire, Michael and I,

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3,000 euros to her PayPal account.

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OK. But if we know that she really, or he, really has this package,

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then things will become easier.

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I tell her, "After your last e-mail,

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"I have the person...

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"..whom I can fully trust to...

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"..complete the transaction, OK?"

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This is extremely exciting.

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What do you think I'm feeling?

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I mean, I'm feeling not totally excited,

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but this is... I regain my life.

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Mm. And the life of my children.

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If this is true, this is like a rebirth for me,

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because they destroyed our lives, these people.

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Hello! Hello.

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Good afternoon. Afternoon, nice to see you.

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Hi. Hi.

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So, you left us yesterday.

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I left you yesterday. We were extremely excited.

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I'm going to write to the Malta police.

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You want to write to the police? Yes, yes, yes. Wait, wait, wait.

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Tell them that I receive the e-mail,

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the first one I received.

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I'm not going to give them any of the other details, OK?

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And tell them, "Listen, I'm going to send her the money,

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"and I'm writing to you,

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"so that there will not be any misunderstanding."

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OK? About this action.

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And I've decided to send her the money.

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And see what happens. The worst case scenario is I will lose 3,000 euros.

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You do not prefer that we put forward the money?

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No, no. It's better like this, OK.

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I tell you what, so I will not involve third parties.

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So, we'll see. I'm going to take the plunge, OK.

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This is what I decided.

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I'm going to take the plunge.

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If it's a scam, I lose 3,000 euros.

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If it's true, we've won the lottery.

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Mm-hm. "You are recognised," she tells me,

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"as an influential and respected member of society in Malta,

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"and in Europe." Yes. "The documents are deep."

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"Deep"?

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I think detailed is what she means.

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"And we are aware Mr Barroso received tobacco money

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"through the DNB Bank of Norway."

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That is very detailed. So, this is...

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This is quite an interesting detail.

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DN...? DNB Bank of Norway. DNB Bank.

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Could we write it now? What?

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To speed up things.

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You know, do it now,

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and wait for the answer?

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She's answering very fast.

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OK.

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I'm just thinking, what is actually...happening now, you know.

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You will contact the police.

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I've already sent him an e-mail, to tell you the truth.

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To the police? To the police, yes.

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Unfortunately, I am still a smoker.

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And if ever I would be needing a cigarette it is now.

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So, I will just go out there and smoke a cigarette.

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Go, you can. I'm a non-alcoholic, but I really need a stiff drink.

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OK.

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You can have a stiff drink.

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I'll just have a double whisky.

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THEY SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE

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Who wants...who wants a whisky?

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OK. How good?

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I think the storm is coming up, yeah?

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This is not the storm yet.

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If the storm hits, then it will hit.

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Since we met yesterday,

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what made you change your mind about you directly paying the source?

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No, because I thought of this way to eliminate

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the possibility of an entrapment. Yes.

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Look, I'll inform the police I'm doing it,

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and I'm in the clear. Yes.

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So, I scratched that out, that possibility.

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And if you have the material, will you have a press conference here?

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We'll see. Because then, then, then I will...

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THUNDER CLAPS LOUDLY

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MR DALLI LAUGHS

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It's the thunder, the thunder.

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Did you see it!

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You want another one?!

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MUSIC: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor "Moonlight" by Ludwig Van Beethoven

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I said, "I understand your apprehension.

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"Rest assured that your safety will be guaranteed."

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OK.

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"I decided to pay you the expenses, as requested,

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"by you, and will arrange to pay into your PayPal account today.

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"When will you mail the documents?

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"What method will you use?

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"I will send you the mailing address...

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"..mailing address, once you confirm."

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OK? Yes. Sent. You sent it now?

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Sent? Sent. OK.

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Now we're waiting. Now we're waiting.

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For an answer.

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I mean, we can wait as long as the music is...

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Playing. ..this beautiful and it's raining outside.

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We can wait all evening. The rain I love, you know.

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I love this atmosphere. Yes. Of raining.

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E-MAIL ALERT BLEEPS

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So, we have an answer. OK. "Dear, Sir...

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"Thank you for your understanding.

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"The earliest the package can be shipped will be Friday,

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"because we will have to gather all the documents from a safe archive.

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"And this might take a couple of days or so.

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"Once you confirm, I will ensure the package is promptly sent on Friday.

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"Let me have the confirmation on your side.

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"We'll keep you informed." This is very straightforward.

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Very straightforward. Now we are in action. Now things are happening.

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Yes. I mean, this is it. Incredible. We, I mean...

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Monday, if this is true, Monday, I should have the information.

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Monday, if it's true,

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you will have a package of the most explosive political material...

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..in the world. ..in the world. Yes.

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MUSIC: The Winner Takes It All by ABBA

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# The winner takes it all

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# The loser's standing small

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# Beside the victory

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# That's her destiny

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# Knowing me knowing you A-ha

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# There is nothing we can do

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# Knowing me knowing you A-ha

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# We just have to face it This time we're through. #

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Hi.

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Mr Dalli, nice to see you. How are you? Very fine, thank you.

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How are you? I am fine.

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OK. Great to see you.

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So... Yeah.

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No package.

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So, no package arrived?

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No package arrived.

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OK. I would have wished a package arrived, but no package arrived.

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Yeah, so would we.

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Did the source give any explanation to why the package has not arrived?

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No, no, no. They didn't give any explanation.

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In fact, they turned very, very aggressive.

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Aggressive? Aggressive. They were asking for more money,

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and practically trying to blackmail,

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but, you know, I never gave in to blackmail,

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therefore nothing, really. OK. OK.

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HE SIGHS

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This is what happened -

0:30:330:30:35

I was expecting the package, but I received a phone call

0:30:350:30:39

from this man who called himself Dmitri from the Red Brigade, I think

0:30:390:30:45

he said. He ordered me to pay 30,000 euros.

0:30:450:30:50

I don't know who Dmitri is.

0:30:500:30:53

But he sounded very Russian.

0:30:530:30:55

"You have one hour to confirm bank transaction or it will be

0:30:550:31:00

"Armageddon for you tomorrow."

0:31:000:31:02

But, I mean, this is really an aggressive threat towards you.

0:31:030:31:09

It is aggressive. This is the aggressiveness.

0:31:090:31:11

Very aggressive.

0:31:110:31:13

Again, the reason was to try to intimidate me.

0:31:130:31:17

How do you feel when your father is threatened?

0:31:170:31:20

I am afraid that they might do something to him.

0:31:200:31:26

I mean, we are put in a very dangerous...

0:31:260:31:32

situation.

0:31:320:31:34

I mean... I understand your feelings. Mm.

0:31:340:31:37

But I have a proposal that... And I think it should be you doing

0:31:370:31:42

it, that you will try once again writing Dmitri and saying...

0:31:420:31:47

I prefer to put pressure on the police, OK,

0:31:470:31:50

and have them make the contact, not me.

0:31:500:31:54

But they are not doing anything.

0:31:540:31:55

But if Dmitri still has some kind of evidence...

0:31:550:31:59

Some kind of evidence, he is not going to give it.

0:31:590:32:03

Dmitri has been playing a game, whoever he is.

0:32:030:32:06

And a game which was not intending to do me any good.

0:32:060:32:12

One way or the other,

0:32:120:32:14

he wanted some result that would put me in a bad light.

0:32:140:32:20

But this means then that it is Michael and I

0:32:200:32:23

who should be trying to contact Dmitri.

0:32:230:32:25

No, no, it is the police, not Michael and you.

0:32:250:32:29

You know, you said earlier that you have a little flame of hope.

0:32:290:32:34

Do you realise that I am dealing with criminals now?

0:32:340:32:37

Yes.

0:32:370:32:39

No, I think forget it. I think tomorrow, I will...

0:32:400:32:44

It is dangerous. I think tomorrow, I will...

0:32:440:32:49

put pressure on the police.

0:32:490:32:50

So, then I wrote,

0:33:220:33:24

"I am interested in the package you have for sale, please respond."

0:33:240:33:29

OK.

0:33:290:33:30

Maybe it was a mistake. It was a mistake, but let's carry on.

0:33:300:33:34

But it happened. But it was not our agreement when we left here.

0:33:340:33:38

But I thought in my twisted logic maybe... OK, go ahead.

0:33:380:33:43

You shouldn't have taken initiative, I think, but anyhow.

0:33:430:33:46

You are only seeing the story.

0:33:460:33:48

But I became very angry about it.

0:33:480:33:50

Whatever, I am not pointing fingers.

0:33:500:33:53

Because I didn't know.

0:33:530:33:55

But anyhow... I didn't know. But carry on.

0:33:550:33:58

Carry on, let's see what happened. Yes, yes.

0:33:580:34:00

Then Maria Zamora writes back to me, "Not possible,

0:34:000:34:04

"Tuesday night in Malta or Denmark,"

0:34:040:34:07

and that is where we are.

0:34:070:34:10

You should have told me you were going to do that. I'm very sorry.

0:34:100:34:13

John Dalli was originally quite a respected politician in Malta.

0:35:310:35:36

I'm talking as far back as 1987.

0:35:380:35:40

He won the respect of a lot of people,

0:35:400:35:43

because he took decisive action at a time when Malta's economy,

0:35:430:35:49

and Malta generally, was a real mess.

0:35:490:35:52

Then, slowly and slowly, there began to be whisperings and conversations,

0:35:520:35:59

private conversations, about how corrupt he is.

0:35:590:36:04

He was the minister responsible for privatisation of

0:36:040:36:08

state entities in Malta including the banks, airport, and there

0:36:080:36:13

were these sort of undercurrents about his involvement,

0:36:130:36:16

his maybe taking a cut.

0:36:160:36:18

The opposition at the time, which is the Labour Party,

0:36:180:36:22

used to call him in fact Johnny Cash,

0:36:220:36:24

because he had such a reputation for going after money.

0:36:240:36:27

But yet, you know,

0:36:270:36:30

still really no smoking gun.

0:36:300:36:32

No, there is no smoking gun.

0:36:320:36:34

Eventually, the Nationalist Prime Minister made what I consider to be,

0:36:340:36:40

and many people consider to be, a fatal error.

0:36:400:36:43

Which was to nominate him as Malta's European Commissioner.

0:36:430:36:49

So, as to get him off...

0:36:490:36:51

..off the island. ..off his own back and off the island,

0:36:510:36:54

he exported the problem and inflicted it on

0:36:540:36:57

a European-wide level, in the European Commission.

0:36:570:37:00

Incredible.

0:37:030:37:04

He was at an EU Commission meeting in Cyprus,

0:37:070:37:12

and he made his excuses and left.

0:37:120:37:16

He wasn't present for one of the most important dinners.

0:37:160:37:20

He told his European Commission colleagues that he was flying back

0:37:200:37:24

to Malta because he had family problems,

0:37:240:37:27

but he didn't go back to Malta at all.

0:37:270:37:29

He went to the Bahamas. I know why he went,

0:37:290:37:32

because I spoke to the Americans who were in the Bahamas.

0:37:320:37:35

They sent me that photo.

0:37:350:37:38

So, that is Marie Eloise Corbin.

0:37:380:37:41

She was known as Lady Bird.

0:37:410:37:44

That is John Dalli.

0:37:440:37:45

John Dalli's daughter, Louisa Dalli.

0:37:450:37:47

So, this man standing at the back,

0:37:490:37:52

he represents the Christian...

0:37:520:37:54

The man here in the blue shirt who's standing.

0:37:540:37:57

..he represents a Christian organisation.

0:37:570:37:59

Yes. I've tried to understand why Lady Bird would have asked this man,

0:37:590:38:05

Michael, to fly...

0:38:050:38:08

fly to the Bahamas to meet John Dalli,

0:38:080:38:11

and afterwards I realised it was to win his confidence,

0:38:110:38:14

because she was taking his friend's money -

0:38:140:38:17

the money from the other people in the Christian group.

0:38:170:38:20

So, you have in a villa in Nassau, you have Lady Bird...

0:38:200:38:25

The fraudster. Christians from America...

0:38:250:38:29

Yes, mm-hm. Meeting with... And John Dalli, a European Commissioner.

0:38:290:38:32

A European Commissioner. That is extraordinary.

0:38:320:38:34

Yes, it is extraordinary.

0:38:340:38:36

AEROPLANE FLIES OVERHEAD

0:39:410:39:43

Good to see you at last. And this is Mads, my colleague. Yes.

0:40:050:40:11

The eight Christian Americans that you represent,

0:40:190:40:22

who were scammed by Lady Bird and possibly also John Dalli...

0:40:220:40:28

The Upstate 8 folks were involved in the gold pool.

0:40:280:40:31

In other words, they put their monies together,

0:40:310:40:34

in order to create a larger sum of money, in order to get a bigger

0:40:340:40:38

investment back. Investment into what?

0:40:380:40:42

The gold mines. And these gold mines, where are they?

0:40:420:40:46

In Africa.

0:40:460:40:48

Is there, in fact, any mining going on?

0:40:480:40:51

I couldn't tell you for sure.

0:40:510:40:53

And Lady Bird is the architect behind this? Yes.

0:40:530:40:57

Seaview Beach. 256.

0:40:570:41:00

Is there anybody living in there now?

0:41:070:41:09

Downstairs. Ah, you can walk in?

0:41:090:41:11

DOG BARKS

0:41:170:41:19

Ah.

0:41:230:41:25

John stayed on the couch with Louisa.

0:41:250:41:27

To me,

0:41:310:41:33

Louisa was kind of like a puppet, so to speak.

0:41:330:41:36

You know, if her dad said, "Do this," she would do it.

0:41:360:41:39

Or if LB said, "Do this," she would do it.

0:41:390:41:41

Other than that, she didn't do anything.

0:41:410:41:43

So, she was like the servant of Lady Bird and her father?

0:41:430:41:46

Yeah. There's the rocking chair that Lady Bird stayed in.

0:41:460:41:50

She would come out and go to her chair,

0:41:500:41:53

and from there, people fixed her food or drinks, whatever.

0:41:530:41:56

In the beginning,

0:42:000:42:01

I thought John Dalli was really 100%, you know.

0:42:010:42:04

100% what?

0:42:040:42:06

For real, you know.

0:42:060:42:09

You've got to remember, we were being told that Lady Bird was part

0:42:090:42:12

of this gold family. I also picked up the...

0:42:120:42:17

This Dragon family's confirmation of identity for you.

0:42:170:42:21

Did Lady Bird claim to be, you know...

0:42:220:42:25

She was introduced to us as the granddaughter

0:42:270:42:32

of the Asian family's patriarch.

0:42:320:42:37

And that John Dalli was her right-hand person.

0:42:380:42:43

She didn't do anything unless John Dalli said it was OK. Mm.

0:42:430:42:47

So, you know, that gave us validity

0:42:470:42:50

for John Dalli and for Lady Bird.

0:42:500:42:52

Did you discuss these gold families with John Dalli?

0:42:520:42:55

Yes.

0:42:550:42:56

This thing goes so deep I can't possibly remember

0:43:020:43:05

everything to tell you. It keeps coming up, you know.

0:43:050:43:08

Her real name is Marie Eloise Corbin.

0:43:110:43:14

She's a US citizen.

0:43:140:43:16

She changes her identity every so often,

0:43:160:43:19

and in fact I received copies of an identity card she uses -

0:43:190:43:23

a Filipino passport.

0:43:230:43:25

It's ridiculous, because there's her face,

0:43:250:43:29

and she's clearly a Western woman with blonde hair, and blue eyes,

0:43:290:43:34

and very Western features and with a Filipino name.

0:43:340:43:37

Morning.

0:44:060:44:09

Morning, Mr Dalli.

0:44:090:44:11

Nice to see you. Morning.

0:44:110:44:14

Good morning.

0:44:140:44:15

What I simply do not understand, we have in the house in the Bahamas

0:44:190:44:26

this strange character known as Lady Bird.

0:44:260:44:31

For me, she was not strange.

0:44:310:44:33

For me, she was somebody very buoyant...

0:44:330:44:37

Did you know that she was using multiple identities?

0:44:370:44:40

No, I don't know.

0:44:400:44:43

I didn't know.

0:44:430:44:44

Because she has names like Mary Swan, Eloise Corbin...

0:44:440:44:48

I never called her by any of those names.

0:44:480:44:51

What did you call her?

0:44:510:44:53

She was called Lady Bird.

0:44:530:44:56

Lady Bird was her nickname and we knew her as Lady Bird.

0:44:560:44:59

You had no idea that she was a fraudster?

0:45:020:45:04

No idea. Do you believe her to be a fraudster today?

0:45:040:45:09

I have no proof that she is a fraudster today.

0:45:090:45:12

They must have known she was a fraudster,

0:45:120:45:15

because she came to Malta out of a prison in Thailand,

0:45:150:45:18

and her documents did not show her real name.

0:45:180:45:22

There is no way they could have not found out she was a fraudster.

0:45:220:45:25

What about her being in prison in Thailand?

0:45:250:45:28

I knew about that and that was a question of

0:45:310:45:35

problems with her passport.

0:45:350:45:37

Because of her fake identities?

0:45:370:45:39

No, I don't know about fake identities.

0:45:390:45:42

She was posing as a Filipino, using a Filipino passport?

0:45:420:45:44

I don't know the details,

0:45:440:45:46

but I knew that it was something to do with her passport.

0:45:460:45:48

What is this document showing?

0:45:540:45:56

This was an annual audit, so at the end of December the 31st,

0:45:560:46:03

OK, Janie, she shows that she has $55,583.32

0:46:030:46:09

transferred to Claire Gauci Borda,

0:46:090:46:13

John Dalli's daughter.

0:46:130:46:14

And this is signed by John Dalli's daughter? Correct.

0:46:140:46:19

OK. One American is writing, "My name is Janie B Moore..." Uh-huh.

0:46:190:46:23

"..and I wish to report a scam that I have been taken into

0:46:230:46:28

"by a group in Malta." Yes.

0:46:280:46:30

That's through Daphne Caruana Galizia.

0:46:300:46:32

She has been contacted by Daphne Caruana Galizia,

0:46:320:46:35

and brainwashed by her. Completely.

0:46:350:46:38

"The ones..." Continue.

0:46:380:46:41

"The ones I am aware of are Mary Swann, known as Lady Bird..."

0:46:410:46:45

Mm-hm.

0:46:450:46:47

"And Claire Gauci Borda and Louisa Dalli."

0:46:470:46:52

Mm-hm. That must be you?

0:46:520:46:54

Mm-hm. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh-huh.

0:46:540:46:57

"I have sent 11 wire transfers to the HSBC in Malta..."

0:46:580:47:04

Uh-huh.

0:47:040:47:05

"..for a total amount of $409,000."

0:47:050:47:11

Mm-hm. That's her life pension.

0:47:110:47:13

"We were told we were investing in gold and other precious metals,

0:47:150:47:19

"and we would receive 10% interest and a bonus at the end of the year."

0:47:190:47:25

Did they receive any interest?

0:47:260:47:29

No.

0:47:290:47:30

"All the earnings were rolled over until I received a letter saying

0:47:330:47:38

"that Lady Bird was a fraudster and I had been taken in by a scam."

0:47:380:47:45

This is all, OK.

0:47:450:47:46

The set up again

0:47:460:47:50

by Kessler and Daphne Caruana Galizia, OK.

0:47:500:47:53

These people were simply brainwashed.

0:47:530:47:56

They lost their money.

0:47:560:47:58

I... Well... So many people lose their money.

0:47:580:48:01

I mean, what the hell are you talking about?

0:48:010:48:04

"I have proof of all wire transfers, our payments to Malta,

0:48:040:48:07

"correspondence with...

0:48:070:48:11

"..Louisa Dalli." You never had any correspondence with them?

0:48:120:48:16

That is not true.

0:48:160:48:18

I never corresponded with her.

0:48:180:48:22

Your daughters were involved in the management? So what?

0:48:220:48:26

Were they...? My daughters... Listen, listen.

0:48:260:48:29

My daughters have their own company and their own business - so what?

0:48:290:48:33

But, please... And Kessler is trying to make the point that,

0:48:330:48:36

because they used that address, that I'm involved,

0:48:360:48:39

which is completely stupid.

0:48:390:48:40

Now my question is, these people...

0:48:410:48:47

never met my father.

0:48:470:48:51

What interest do these people have to...

0:48:510:48:56

..do harm to my father?

0:48:570:49:00

Let's stay on the question your daughter asked.

0:49:000:49:04

Why do these Christian American pensioners,

0:49:040:49:08

why do they want to hurt you?

0:49:080:49:12

Because...because they were roped in by Kessler,

0:49:120:49:15

and Daphne Caruana Galizia, who is one of my arch enemies in Malta.

0:49:150:49:21

I mean, this is all another...

0:49:210:49:24

another Kessler...Kessler...

0:49:240:49:27

sting.

0:49:270:49:28

Something you also have to explain to me is this strange nexus between

0:49:300:49:35

John Dalli, Silvio Zammit and this lawyer named Gayle Kimberley.

0:49:350:49:41

So, Gayle Kimberley and Iosif Galea both worked for the lotteries and

0:49:410:49:46

gaming authority in Malta, and they no longer do.

0:49:460:49:48

They had an affair.

0:49:480:49:50

Iosif Galea was very close to Silvio Zammit,

0:49:500:49:54

and also very close to John Dalli.

0:49:540:49:56

In fact, I have a photo, which I published,

0:49:560:49:58

of them travelling in Italy together.

0:49:580:50:00

Iosif Galea, Silvio Zammit and John Dalli.

0:50:000:50:02

Gayle Kimberley's involvement was tangential.

0:50:020:50:05

She became involved simply because she was having an affair

0:50:050:50:09

with Iosif Galea, and then later was subject to blackmail -

0:50:090:50:12

she couldn't... But she was the one

0:50:120:50:14

who was in contact with the Swedish Match?

0:50:140:50:16

Yes, yes. She got in touch with Swedish Match

0:50:160:50:19

as an independent consultant. They would not...

0:50:190:50:22

They wouldn't have known that she was sleeping with Iosif Galea,

0:50:220:50:25

who is part of a whole cabal with John Dalli and Silvio Zammit.

0:50:250:50:30

I had a very brief conversation with Gayle Kimberley.

0:50:350:50:38

Uh-huh. On the phone. Uh-huh.

0:50:380:50:40

And she did not want to meet with us,

0:50:400:50:44

talk to us, and I said, "But why?"

0:50:440:50:47

you know, and then she said...

0:50:470:50:50

"No, because they are powerful people," she said.

0:50:500:50:54

Something in that line.

0:50:540:50:57

When you mentioned Zammit and Iosif...

0:50:570:51:01

Iosif Galea. She sounds...afraid.

0:51:010:51:05

But you wouldn't have said Zammit was powerful -

0:51:090:51:12

Zammit is not powerful here.

0:51:120:51:14

You met Zammit. Yeah, yeah. We met him.

0:51:140:51:17

What is that?

0:51:200:51:21

You're not going to... Do not...

0:51:210:51:24

It's a naked woman.

0:51:240:51:26

It's she. It's Gayle Kimberley?

0:51:260:51:29

Don't say nothing in front of the cameras.

0:51:350:51:38

Because it's illegal.

0:51:380:51:40

Those are to show you...

0:51:410:51:44

to show my evidence for the court. Mm-hm.

0:51:440:51:46

Because I have all the evidence, you know.

0:51:460:51:48

PHONE RINGS

0:51:480:51:52

Hello? This is journalist Mads Brugger,

0:51:520:51:55

calling for Gayle Kimberley.

0:51:550:51:58

Yes, this is Gayle. I have been to Malta several times,

0:51:580:52:02

speaking with Silvio Zammit. He has...

0:52:020:52:05

He walks around with this folder

0:52:050:52:08

with everything, that according to him...

0:52:080:52:12

Who, Silvio Zammit?

0:52:120:52:14

Silvio Zammit walks around with this folder, this file,

0:52:140:52:17

which contains everything that, according to him,

0:52:170:52:20

proves how innocent he is,

0:52:200:52:22

and inside that file is a picture of you in your underwear.

0:52:220:52:25

Oh, my God. Seriously? When did they take pictures of me in my underwear?

0:52:270:52:31

No, I was not aware. Erm... You see, it is making me very anxious.

0:52:310:52:36

I'm sorry, but I don't want to discuss this any more.

0:52:360:52:40

I had no idea they fabricated e-mails...

0:52:400:52:43

Can I ask you, was he blackmailing you? Ah, I cannot...

0:52:430:52:47

Can I ask you...? This is just to get the facts straight.

0:52:470:52:51

Erm, I really need to go, I can't...

0:52:510:52:54

Anyway, I am coming back... No, thank you for your work.

0:52:540:52:58

It's from a holiday or...?

0:53:010:53:04

In Italy? I mean, that's a picture, OK?

0:53:040:53:06

That I take. I have thousands of pictures with people.

0:53:060:53:10

Yeah. People have to come to me, we're in parties,

0:53:100:53:12

and things like that, and I will... No, they take pictures.

0:53:120:53:16

That's it. But there is no closeness.

0:53:160:53:19

I don't have any business dealings with Zammit.

0:53:190:53:22

I mean, I don't have any...

0:53:220:53:24

Nothing. Understand?

0:53:240:53:26

And Zammit never represented me in anything, never.

0:53:270:53:31

"Remember, you are dealing with a real businessman now.

0:53:470:53:50

"Not a fool.

0:53:500:53:52

First you send me a small sample of..."

0:53:520:53:54

"A real businessman now.

0:53:550:53:58

"Not a fool."

0:53:580:54:00

"No funny,

0:54:020:54:05

"no money."

0:54:050:54:07

"Send me a sample of material..."

0:54:090:54:12

"I thank you for the opportunity to talk about the Bahamas,

0:54:170:54:21

"and crush the insinuations and defamation that were being bandied

0:54:210:54:25

"about by Kessler, Daphne Caruana Galizia and their cohorts."

0:54:250:54:30

"Please allow me to call when I reach Europe.

0:55:250:55:28

"I am positive we shall be friends forever after this." Yes.

0:55:280:55:32

"Looking forward to being best

0:55:380:55:42

"friends with you."

0:55:420:55:46

Best friends forever.

0:55:460:55:49

PHONE RINGS

0:56:000:56:03

SECOND VOICE DISTORTED

0:56:070:56:10

MUSIC: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor "Moonlight" by Ludwig Van Beethoven

0:57:060:57:13

Star Wars, Harry Potter,

0:58:380:58:40

The former EU commissioner of health, Mr John Dalli, recently left his post having been accused of being in the pocket of 'big tobacco'. Two Danish journalists, Mads Brugger and Mikael Bertelsen, travel to Malta expecting to uncover proof of a vast conspiracy against Mr Dalli, when a secret source steps forward, claiming to possess documents and recordings. Mr Dalli attempts to strike a deal with the source, taking them on a disturbing, thrilling and darkly humorous odyssey from the hallways of Brussels to an island in the Caribbean Sea.