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I would like to warmly congratulate the newly elected

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College of Commissioners,

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and, Mr President Barroso, all of you, congratulations.

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700,000 people a year die of tobacco.

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And I'm responsible for citizens' health.

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Following a fraud investigation, EU Commissioner for Health and Consumer

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Policy John Dalli has resigned with immediate effect.

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Mr Dalli. Michael.

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Nobody of us smokes, I think, I hope.

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I am using e-cigarettes.

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Which are as bad as the others.

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Before all this started, I had a meeting with Barroso in his office.

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It's the usual meeting that commissioners

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have with the president.

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And at the end, Barroso said, "Well, you know, this tobacco directive,"

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he said, "we're having a lot of problems with it."

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He said...

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He said, "Don't you think we should forget it?"

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I said, "Listen, I have a commitment with the...

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"with the European citizens. And I will not...

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"stop."

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Do you remember the moment you are aware

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that you are under investigation?

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That I am under investigation is on that meeting I had with Kessler.

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And he is the head of OLAF. He is the head of OLAF.

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He came to my office unannounced.

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And what does he ask?

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About a meeting I had with a...with a young lawyer, Gayle Kimberley,

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here in Malta.

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She was asking questions about tobacco, about snus.

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She was never registered as a lobbyist.

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She was not presented to me as a lobbyist.

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How was I to know that she is a lobbyist? OK?

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And then he said, "But then you made another appointment

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"to meet her on the tenth and you met on the tenth."

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I said, "No, didn't meet on the tenth."

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This meeting never happened.

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RECORDING: If you want to, I can tell you the story.

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I know that she wasn't...

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I know that she wasn't in the second meeting.

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But that I found out when OLAF told me.

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We have been told to keep by OLAF that there is an investigation

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going on in Malta. So...

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So, keep your version. Yeah, yeah, keep...

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To tell what you have said to us and what is your version,

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because we have done an investigation,

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there is Malta's investigations.

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It would be preferable that this is not disturbed,

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and this will definitely not help certain people if that comes out.

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Stick to the story.

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As a result of our investigation,

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it's turned out that these Maltese interpreters organised over...

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last time

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two meetings with the Commissioner and representative of the,

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let's say, snus companies.

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This is Kessler, you understand?

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He creates by inventing,

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fraudulently, this case.

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Silvio Zammit is one of those people.

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OK? He was very active in the political party that I come from.

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Kessler makes a lot that he is a close friend.

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No, I never have any business with him, this guy out...

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He's a friend, you know, like many other friends in my...

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In your local political network.

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Yes, in my local political network.

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I am very interested in the meeting with Swedish Match

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when they come here. You are interested in that?

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Yeah. OK. Can we walk through that meeting as it happens?

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Exactly. Of course, of course.

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We can. So, Gabrielsson, in the evening he arrives here?

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Yes. He sat there.

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They sit here. Gabrielsson and Gayle Kimberley?

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Uh-huh. And they are talking?

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He said to me,

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"What is the proposal for this lifting up of the ban?"

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And that is the ban on smokeless tobacco?

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Yes, yes, yes. But then I said to him, "It's 60 million."

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Yeah? You say it here?

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Yeah, yeah. But I need to understand, the 60 million euros,

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who was getting the 60 million euros?

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Was that you or Gayle Kimberley or...?

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No, it's for Gayle Kimberley and myself,

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so we set up the lobby group.

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But I am doing what Gayle is telling me to do.

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Yeah.

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But did they discuss that Mr Dalli would get a...

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a cut of the 60 million, was that part of the deal?

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No, for sure, not from my side. I don't know nothing about this.

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But did you hear them talking about that?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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We never talked about that.

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Hello, Miss Kimberley, this is journalist Mads Brugger.

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I really need to speak with you.

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I also wrote you an e-mail yesterday.

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Please give me a ring as soon as possible.

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I'm here in Malta. Hope to hear from you soon. Bye-bye.

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When she calls me, she said to me...

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She didn't say, "Hello, Silvio."

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She didn't say, "How are you?"

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She basically said, "How much would you charge us to meet Mr Dalli?"

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This telephone call was made from the offices of OLAF.

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It was recorded on OLAF equipment.

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In the presence of OLAF personnel.

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It was an entrapment. It was an entrapment and it was illegal.

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As a result of our investigation,

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it turned out that there is no conclusive evidence of the direct

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participation of Commissioner John Dalli

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as instigator or mastermind of the operation

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of requesting money for changing the decision of the commission.

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You know, it was stated in the report that there was no corruption.

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Mm. There is no corruption whatsoever.

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OK? The report simply states, OK,

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that I was not involved in creating this...

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..this discussions, OK?

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I was not involved in these discussions.

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OLAF states this.

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But he concludes I must have known.

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What is the essence of all of this?

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The essence of all of this was that I was kicked out of the picture.

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The directive was passed through, but in a diluted form.

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So, you feel like you are a victim of a set-up?

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I am a victim of a set-up by the tobacco company who wanted me out.

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So, the winner of this in a way...

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Is tobacco. Tobacco wins.

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Tobacco wins.

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OLAF, which investigates fraud within the EU institutions,

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has been in the spotlight ever since former Health Commissioner

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John Dalli had to resign due to bribe accusations in 2012.

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Later, though, OLAF itself and its director Giovanni Kessler came under

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fire due to the Dalli investigation,

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which was said to violate EU regulation.

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So, Mr Dalli, it's almost a year since we saw each other last time?

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It is. Yeah. Uh-huh.

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Time flies. And what has happened since we met?

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Well, quite a lot happened since we met.

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The most important thing for me is that my wife died.

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My condolences.

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She died from a massive heart attack.

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Again, I believe in God's providence as well.

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This became manifest some...

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couple of weeks ago.

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Out of the blues, I received an e-mail...

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..by a person unknown.

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Which said, basically, "Listen, I have in my hands...

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"..documentation and tapes...

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"..that show the corruption...

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"..of Barroso and the Commission in your case.

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"How they were colluding with the tobacco industry...

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"..to take you out of the way."

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Yeah.

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The first e-mail was received on the fifth of September, and it said,

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"Hi, I prefer to remain anonymous, if you will respect this, Sir.

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"So, there will be no phone calls, please.

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"I have a package of large volume files about Jose Manuel Barroso,

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"and representatives of a powerful tobacco lobby

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"in the US and continental Europe.

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"These documents will shake Europe.

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"Massive fraud and espionage."

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"These documents will shake Europe"?

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"Massive fraud and espionage."

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"Will be sent by courier only.

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"3,000 euros to my e-mail so, so-and-so."

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The person's name on the e-mail is Maria Zamora.

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Maria Zamora.

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So, too good to be true, in reality.

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Then I reply.

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"Dear Miss Zamora.

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"I would very much like to examine this material,

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"and this is why I invite you to spend a weekend break in Malta

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"at my expense, so that we can meet confidentially,

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"and review the matter."

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Answered on the fifth.

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"This is to confirm to you that I have no affiliation

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"whatsoever with Giovanni." And even this,

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she starts calling him Giovanni.

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So, she uses the first name of Kessler?

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Uses the first name of Kessler.

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What does that say?

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That says that she has...

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Either she knew him well, she worked with him...closely.

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Or that she has been going in the hallways of power in Brussels.

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That's right.

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I also reveal here that this matter has been considered a matter of life

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and death by some people.

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A matter of life and death.

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Yes, it is life and death. If this is true what she is saying,

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it is life and death.

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No doubt about it.

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"I checked the pieces of evidence again,

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"and found a recorded conversation

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"where your possible elimination was discussed at some point.

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"Not too sure what it meant, but the exact wordings are,

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" 'We can get him out of the equation.' "

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A recording? "We can get him out of the equation."

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A recorded conversation.

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"We can get him out of the equation."

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This was the last e-mail you received?

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Yes. And have you written to that person since?

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Not yet, not yet. So, this is where we are now?

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Exactly.

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I'm just saying something in Danish.

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Go, go, go, go, go.

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I'm saying, Mr Dalli, that if this is true,

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we will wire, Michael and I,

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3,000 euros to her PayPal account.

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OK. But if we know that she really, or he, really has this package,

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then things will become easier.

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I tell her, "After your last e-mail,

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"I have the person...

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"..whom I can fully trust to...

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"..complete the transaction, OK?"

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This is extremely exciting.

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What do you think I'm feeling?

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I mean, I'm feeling not totally excited,

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but this is... I regain my life.

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Mm. And the life of my children.

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If this is true, this is like a rebirth for me,

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because they destroyed our lives, these people.

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Hello! Hello.

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Good afternoon. Afternoon, nice to see you.

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Hi. Hi.

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So, you left us yesterday.

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I left you yesterday. We were extremely excited.

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I'm going to write to the Malta police.

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You want to write to the police? Yes, yes, yes. Wait, wait, wait.

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Tell them that I receive the e-mail,

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the first one I received.

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I'm not going to give them any of the other details, OK?

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And tell them, "Listen, I'm going to send her the money,

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"and I'm writing to you,

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"so that there will not be any misunderstanding."

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OK? About this action.

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And I've decided to send her the money.

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And see what happens. The worst case scenario is I will lose 3,000 euros.

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You do not prefer that we put forward the money?

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No, no. It's better like this, OK.

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I tell you what, so I will not involve third parties.

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So, we'll see. I'm going to take the plunge, OK.

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This is what I decided.

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I'm going to take the plunge.

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If it's a scam, I lose 3,000 euros.

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If it's true, we've won the lottery.

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Mm-hm. "You are recognised," she tells me,

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"as an influential and respected member of society in Malta,

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"and in Europe." Yes. "The documents are deep."

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"Deep"?

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I think detailed is what she means.

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"And we are aware Mr Barroso received tobacco money

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"through the DNB Bank of Norway."

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That is very detailed. So, this is...

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This is quite an interesting detail.

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DN...? DNB Bank of Norway. DNB Bank.

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Could we write it now? What?

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To speed up things.

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You know, do it now,

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and wait for the answer?

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She's answering very fast.

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OK.

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I'm just thinking, what is actually...happening now, you know.

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You will contact the police.

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I've already sent him an e-mail, to tell you the truth.

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To the police? To the police, yes.

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Unfortunately, I am still a smoker.

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And if ever I would be needing a cigarette it is now.

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So, I will just go out there and smoke a cigarette.

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Go, you can. I'm a non-alcoholic, but I really need a stiff drink.

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OK.

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You can have a stiff drink.

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I'll just have a double whisky.

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THEY SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE

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Who wants...who wants a whisky?

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OK. How good?

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I think the storm is coming up, yeah?

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This is not the storm yet.

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If the storm hits, then it will hit.

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Since we met yesterday,

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what made you change your mind about you directly paying the source?

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No, because I thought of this way to eliminate

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the possibility of an entrapment. Yes.

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Look, I'll inform the police I'm doing it,

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and I'm in the clear. Yes.

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So, I scratched that out, that possibility.

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And if you have the material, will you have a press conference here?

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We'll see. Because then, then, then I will...

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THUNDER CLAPS LOUDLY

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MR DALLI LAUGHS

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It's the thunder, the thunder.

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Did you see it!

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You want another one?!

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MUSIC: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor "Moonlight" by Ludwig Van Beethoven

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I said, "I understand your apprehension.

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"Rest assured that your safety will be guaranteed."

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OK.

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"I decided to pay you the expenses, as requested,

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"by you, and will arrange to pay into your PayPal account today.

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"When will you mail the documents?

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"What method will you use?

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"I will send you the mailing address...

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"..mailing address, once you confirm."

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OK? Yes. Sent. You sent it now?

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Sent? Sent. OK.

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Now we're waiting. Now we're waiting.

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For an answer.

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I mean, we can wait as long as the music is...

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Playing. ..this beautiful and it's raining outside.

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We can wait all evening. The rain I love, you know.

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I love this atmosphere. Yes. Of raining.

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E-MAIL ALERT BLEEPS

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So, we have an answer. OK. "Dear, Sir...

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"Thank you for your understanding.

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"The earliest the package can be shipped will be Friday,

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"because we will have to gather all the documents from a safe archive.

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"And this might take a couple of days or so.

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"Once you confirm, I will ensure the package is promptly sent on Friday.

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"Let me have the confirmation on your side.

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"We'll keep you informed." This is very straightforward.

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Very straightforward. Now we are in action. Now things are happening.

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Yes. I mean, this is it. Incredible. We, I mean...

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Monday, if this is true, Monday, I should have the information.

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Monday, if it's true,

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you will have a package of the most explosive political material...

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..in the world. ..in the world. Yes.

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MUSIC: The Winner Takes It All by ABBA

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# The winner takes it all

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# The loser's standing small

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# Beside the victory

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# That's her destiny

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# Knowing me knowing you A-ha

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# There is nothing we can do

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# Knowing me knowing you A-ha

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# We just have to face it This time we're through. #

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Hi.

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Mr Dalli, nice to see you. How are you? Very fine, thank you.

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How are you? I am fine.

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OK. Great to see you.

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So... Yeah.

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No package.

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So, no package arrived?

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No package arrived.

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OK. I would have wished a package arrived, but no package arrived.

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Yeah, so would we.

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Did the source give any explanation to why the package has not arrived?

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No, no, no. They didn't give any explanation.

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In fact, they turned very, very aggressive.

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Aggressive? Aggressive. They were asking for more money,

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and practically trying to blackmail,

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but, you know, I never gave in to blackmail,

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therefore nothing, really. OK. OK.

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HE SIGHS

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This is what happened -

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I was expecting the package, but I received a phone call

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from this man who called himself Dmitri from the Red Brigade, I think

0:30:390:30:45

he said. He ordered me to pay 30,000 euros.

0:30:450:30:50

I don't know who Dmitri is.

0:30:500:30:53

But he sounded very Russian.

0:30:530:30:55

"You have one hour to confirm bank transaction or it will be

0:30:550:31:00

"Armageddon for you tomorrow."

0:31:000:31:02

But, I mean, this is really an aggressive threat towards you.

0:31:030:31:09

It is aggressive. This is the aggressiveness.

0:31:090:31:11

Very aggressive.

0:31:110:31:13

Again, the reason was to try to intimidate me.

0:31:130:31:17

How do you feel when your father is threatened?

0:31:170:31:20

I am afraid that they might do something to him.

0:31:200:31:26

I mean, we are put in a very dangerous...

0:31:260:31:32

situation.

0:31:320:31:34

I mean... I understand your feelings. Mm.

0:31:340:31:37

But I have a proposal that... And I think it should be you doing

0:31:370:31:42

it, that you will try once again writing Dmitri and saying...

0:31:420:31:47

I prefer to put pressure on the police, OK,

0:31:470:31:50

and have them make the contact, not me.

0:31:500:31:54

But they are not doing anything.

0:31:540:31:55

But if Dmitri still has some kind of evidence...

0:31:550:31:59

Some kind of evidence, he is not going to give it.

0:31:590:32:03

Dmitri has been playing a game, whoever he is.

0:32:030:32:06

And a game which was not intending to do me any good.

0:32:060:32:12

One way or the other,

0:32:120:32:14

he wanted some result that would put me in a bad light.

0:32:140:32:20

But this means then that it is Michael and I

0:32:200:32:23

who should be trying to contact Dmitri.

0:32:230:32:25

No, no, it is the police, not Michael and you.

0:32:250:32:29

You know, you said earlier that you have a little flame of hope.

0:32:290:32:34

Do you realise that I am dealing with criminals now?

0:32:340:32:37

Yes.

0:32:370:32:39

No, I think forget it. I think tomorrow, I will...

0:32:400:32:44

It is dangerous. I think tomorrow, I will...

0:32:440:32:49

put pressure on the police.

0:32:490:32:50

So, then I wrote,

0:33:220:33:24

"I am interested in the package you have for sale, please respond."

0:33:240:33:29

OK.

0:33:290:33:30

Maybe it was a mistake. It was a mistake, but let's carry on.

0:33:300:33:34

But it happened. But it was not our agreement when we left here.

0:33:340:33:38

But I thought in my twisted logic maybe... OK, go ahead.

0:33:380:33:43

You shouldn't have taken initiative, I think, but anyhow.

0:33:430:33:46

You are only seeing the story.

0:33:460:33:48

But I became very angry about it.

0:33:480:33:50

Whatever, I am not pointing fingers.

0:33:500:33:53

Because I didn't know.

0:33:530:33:55

But anyhow... I didn't know. But carry on.

0:33:550:33:58

Carry on, let's see what happened. Yes, yes.

0:33:580:34:00

Then Maria Zamora writes back to me, "Not possible,

0:34:000:34:04

"Tuesday night in Malta or Denmark,"

0:34:040:34:07

and that is where we are.

0:34:070:34:10

You should have told me you were going to do that. I'm very sorry.

0:34:100:34:13

John Dalli was originally quite a respected politician in Malta.

0:35:310:35:36

I'm talking as far back as 1987.

0:35:380:35:40

He won the respect of a lot of people,

0:35:400:35:43

because he took decisive action at a time when Malta's economy,

0:35:430:35:49

and Malta generally, was a real mess.

0:35:490:35:52

Then, slowly and slowly, there began to be whisperings and conversations,

0:35:520:35:59

private conversations, about how corrupt he is.

0:35:590:36:04

He was the minister responsible for privatisation of

0:36:040:36:08

state entities in Malta including the banks, airport, and there

0:36:080:36:13

were these sort of undercurrents about his involvement,

0:36:130:36:16

his maybe taking a cut.

0:36:160:36:18

The opposition at the time, which is the Labour Party,

0:36:180:36:22

used to call him in fact Johnny Cash,

0:36:220:36:24

because he had such a reputation for going after money.

0:36:240:36:27

But yet, you know,

0:36:270:36:30

still really no smoking gun.

0:36:300:36:32

No, there is no smoking gun.

0:36:320:36:34

Eventually, the Nationalist Prime Minister made what I consider to be,

0:36:340:36:40

and many people consider to be, a fatal error.

0:36:400:36:43

Which was to nominate him as Malta's European Commissioner.

0:36:430:36:49

So, as to get him off...

0:36:490:36:51

..off the island. ..off his own back and off the island,

0:36:510:36:54

he exported the problem and inflicted it on

0:36:540:36:57

a European-wide level, in the European Commission.

0:36:570:37:00

Incredible.

0:37:030:37:04

He was at an EU Commission meeting in Cyprus,

0:37:070:37:12

and he made his excuses and left.

0:37:120:37:16

He wasn't present for one of the most important dinners.

0:37:160:37:20

He told his European Commission colleagues that he was flying back

0:37:200:37:24

to Malta because he had family problems,

0:37:240:37:27

but he didn't go back to Malta at all.

0:37:270:37:29

He went to the Bahamas. I know why he went,

0:37:290:37:32

because I spoke to the Americans who were in the Bahamas.

0:37:320:37:35

They sent me that photo.

0:37:350:37:38

So, that is Marie Eloise Corbin.

0:37:380:37:41

She was known as Lady Bird.

0:37:410:37:44

That is John Dalli.

0:37:440:37:45

John Dalli's daughter, Louisa Dalli.

0:37:450:37:47

So, this man standing at the back,

0:37:490:37:52

he represents the Christian...

0:37:520:37:54

The man here in the blue shirt who's standing.

0:37:540:37:57

..he represents a Christian organisation.

0:37:570:37:59

Yes. I've tried to understand why Lady Bird would have asked this man,

0:37:590:38:05

Michael, to fly...

0:38:050:38:08

fly to the Bahamas to meet John Dalli,

0:38:080:38:11

and afterwards I realised it was to win his confidence,

0:38:110:38:14

because she was taking his friend's money -

0:38:140:38:17

the money from the other people in the Christian group.

0:38:170:38:20

So, you have in a villa in Nassau, you have Lady Bird...

0:38:200:38:25

The fraudster. Christians from America...

0:38:250:38:29

Yes, mm-hm. Meeting with... And John Dalli, a European Commissioner.

0:38:290:38:32

A European Commissioner. That is extraordinary.

0:38:320:38:34

Yes, it is extraordinary.

0:38:340:38:36

AEROPLANE FLIES OVERHEAD

0:39:410:39:43

Good to see you at last. And this is Mads, my colleague. Yes.

0:40:050:40:11

The eight Christian Americans that you represent,

0:40:190:40:22

who were scammed by Lady Bird and possibly also John Dalli...

0:40:220:40:28

The Upstate 8 folks were involved in the gold pool.

0:40:280:40:31

In other words, they put their monies together,

0:40:310:40:34

in order to create a larger sum of money, in order to get a bigger

0:40:340:40:38

investment back. Investment into what?

0:40:380:40:42

The gold mines. And these gold mines, where are they?

0:40:420:40:46

In Africa.

0:40:460:40:48

Is there, in fact, any mining going on?

0:40:480:40:51

I couldn't tell you for sure.

0:40:510:40:53

And Lady Bird is the architect behind this? Yes.

0:40:530:40:57

Seaview Beach. 256.

0:40:570:41:00

Is there anybody living in there now?

0:41:070:41:09

Downstairs. Ah, you can walk in?

0:41:090:41:11

DOG BARKS

0:41:170:41:19

Ah.

0:41:230:41:25

John stayed on the couch with Louisa.

0:41:250:41:27

To me,

0:41:310:41:33

Louisa was kind of like a puppet, so to speak.

0:41:330:41:36

You know, if her dad said, "Do this," she would do it.

0:41:360:41:39

Or if LB said, "Do this," she would do it.

0:41:390:41:41

Other than that, she didn't do anything.

0:41:410:41:43

So, she was like the servant of Lady Bird and her father?

0:41:430:41:46

Yeah. There's the rocking chair that Lady Bird stayed in.

0:41:460:41:50

She would come out and go to her chair,

0:41:500:41:53

and from there, people fixed her food or drinks, whatever.

0:41:530:41:56

In the beginning,

0:42:000:42:01

I thought John Dalli was really 100%, you know.

0:42:010:42:04

100% what?

0:42:040:42:06

For real, you know.

0:42:060:42:09

You've got to remember, we were being told that Lady Bird was part

0:42:090:42:12

of this gold family. I also picked up the...

0:42:120:42:17

This Dragon family's confirmation of identity for you.

0:42:170:42:21

Did Lady Bird claim to be, you know...

0:42:220:42:25

She was introduced to us as the granddaughter

0:42:270:42:32

of the Asian family's patriarch.

0:42:320:42:37

And that John Dalli was her right-hand person.

0:42:380:42:43

She didn't do anything unless John Dalli said it was OK. Mm.

0:42:430:42:47

So, you know, that gave us validity

0:42:470:42:50

for John Dalli and for Lady Bird.

0:42:500:42:52

Did you discuss these gold families with John Dalli?

0:42:520:42:55

Yes.

0:42:550:42:56

This thing goes so deep I can't possibly remember

0:43:020:43:05

everything to tell you. It keeps coming up, you know.

0:43:050:43:08

Her real name is Marie Eloise Corbin.

0:43:110:43:14

She's a US citizen.

0:43:140:43:16

She changes her identity every so often,

0:43:160:43:19

and in fact I received copies of an identity card she uses -

0:43:190:43:23

a Filipino passport.

0:43:230:43:25

It's ridiculous, because there's her face,

0:43:250:43:29

and she's clearly a Western woman with blonde hair, and blue eyes,

0:43:290:43:34

and very Western features and with a Filipino name.

0:43:340:43:37

Morning.

0:44:060:44:09

Morning, Mr Dalli.

0:44:090:44:11

Nice to see you. Morning.

0:44:110:44:14

Good morning.

0:44:140:44:15

What I simply do not understand, we have in the house in the Bahamas

0:44:190:44:26

this strange character known as Lady Bird.

0:44:260:44:31

For me, she was not strange.

0:44:310:44:33

For me, she was somebody very buoyant...

0:44:330:44:37

Did you know that she was using multiple identities?

0:44:370:44:40

No, I don't know.

0:44:400:44:43

I didn't know.

0:44:430:44:44

Because she has names like Mary Swan, Eloise Corbin...

0:44:440:44:48

I never called her by any of those names.

0:44:480:44:51

What did you call her?

0:44:510:44:53

She was called Lady Bird.

0:44:530:44:56

Lady Bird was her nickname and we knew her as Lady Bird.

0:44:560:44:59

You had no idea that she was a fraudster?

0:45:020:45:04

No idea. Do you believe her to be a fraudster today?

0:45:040:45:09

I have no proof that she is a fraudster today.

0:45:090:45:12

They must have known she was a fraudster,

0:45:120:45:15

because she came to Malta out of a prison in Thailand,

0:45:150:45:18

and her documents did not show her real name.

0:45:180:45:22

There is no way they could have not found out she was a fraudster.

0:45:220:45:25

What about her being in prison in Thailand?

0:45:250:45:28

I knew about that and that was a question of

0:45:310:45:35

problems with her passport.

0:45:350:45:37

Because of her fake identities?

0:45:370:45:39

No, I don't know about fake identities.

0:45:390:45:42

She was posing as a Filipino, using a Filipino passport?

0:45:420:45:44

I don't know the details,

0:45:440:45:46

but I knew that it was something to do with her passport.

0:45:460:45:48

What is this document showing?

0:45:540:45:56

This was an annual audit, so at the end of December the 31st,

0:45:560:46:03

OK, Janie, she shows that she has $55,583.32

0:46:030:46:09

transferred to Claire Gauci Borda,

0:46:090:46:13

John Dalli's daughter.

0:46:130:46:14

And this is signed by John Dalli's daughter? Correct.

0:46:140:46:19

OK. One American is writing, "My name is Janie B Moore..." Uh-huh.

0:46:190:46:23

"..and I wish to report a scam that I have been taken into

0:46:230:46:28

"by a group in Malta." Yes.

0:46:280:46:30

That's through Daphne Caruana Galizia.

0:46:300:46:32

She has been contacted by Daphne Caruana Galizia,

0:46:320:46:35

and brainwashed by her. Completely.

0:46:350:46:38

"The ones..." Continue.

0:46:380:46:41

"The ones I am aware of are Mary Swann, known as Lady Bird..."

0:46:410:46:45

Mm-hm.

0:46:450:46:47

"And Claire Gauci Borda and Louisa Dalli."

0:46:470:46:52

Mm-hm. That must be you?

0:46:520:46:54

Mm-hm. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh-huh.

0:46:540:46:57

"I have sent 11 wire transfers to the HSBC in Malta..."

0:46:580:47:04

Uh-huh.

0:47:040:47:05

"..for a total amount of $409,000."

0:47:050:47:11

Mm-hm. That's her life pension.

0:47:110:47:13

"We were told we were investing in gold and other precious metals,

0:47:150:47:19

"and we would receive 10% interest and a bonus at the end of the year."

0:47:190:47:25

Did they receive any interest?

0:47:260:47:29

No.

0:47:290:47:30

"All the earnings were rolled over until I received a letter saying

0:47:330:47:38

"that Lady Bird was a fraudster and I had been taken in by a scam."

0:47:380:47:45

This is all, OK.

0:47:450:47:46

The set up again

0:47:460:47:50

by Kessler and Daphne Caruana Galizia, OK.

0:47:500:47:53

These people were simply brainwashed.

0:47:530:47:56

They lost their money.

0:47:560:47:58

I... Well... So many people lose their money.

0:47:580:48:01

I mean, what the hell are you talking about?

0:48:010:48:04

"I have proof of all wire transfers, our payments to Malta,

0:48:040:48:07

"correspondence with...

0:48:070:48:11

"..Louisa Dalli." You never had any correspondence with them?

0:48:120:48:16

That is not true.

0:48:160:48:18

I never corresponded with her.

0:48:180:48:22

Your daughters were involved in the management? So what?

0:48:220:48:26

Were they...? My daughters... Listen, listen.

0:48:260:48:29

My daughters have their own company and their own business - so what?

0:48:290:48:33

But, please... And Kessler is trying to make the point that,

0:48:330:48:36

because they used that address, that I'm involved,

0:48:360:48:39

which is completely stupid.

0:48:390:48:40

Now my question is, these people...

0:48:410:48:47

never met my father.

0:48:470:48:51

What interest do these people have to...

0:48:510:48:56

..do harm to my father?

0:48:570:49:00

Let's stay on the question your daughter asked.

0:49:000:49:04

Why do these Christian American pensioners,

0:49:040:49:08

why do they want to hurt you?

0:49:080:49:12

Because...because they were roped in by Kessler,

0:49:120:49:15

and Daphne Caruana Galizia, who is one of my arch enemies in Malta.

0:49:150:49:21

I mean, this is all another...

0:49:210:49:24

another Kessler...Kessler...

0:49:240:49:27

sting.

0:49:270:49:28

Something you also have to explain to me is this strange nexus between

0:49:300:49:35

John Dalli, Silvio Zammit and this lawyer named Gayle Kimberley.

0:49:350:49:41

So, Gayle Kimberley and Iosif Galea both worked for the lotteries and

0:49:410:49:46

gaming authority in Malta, and they no longer do.

0:49:460:49:48

They had an affair.

0:49:480:49:50

Iosif Galea was very close to Silvio Zammit,

0:49:500:49:54

and also very close to John Dalli.

0:49:540:49:56

In fact, I have a photo, which I published,

0:49:560:49:58

of them travelling in Italy together.

0:49:580:50:00

Iosif Galea, Silvio Zammit and John Dalli.

0:50:000:50:02

Gayle Kimberley's involvement was tangential.

0:50:020:50:05

She became involved simply because she was having an affair

0:50:050:50:09

with Iosif Galea, and then later was subject to blackmail -

0:50:090:50:12

she couldn't... But she was the one

0:50:120:50:14

who was in contact with the Swedish Match?

0:50:140:50:16

Yes, yes. She got in touch with Swedish Match

0:50:160:50:19

as an independent consultant. They would not...

0:50:190:50:22

They wouldn't have known that she was sleeping with Iosif Galea,

0:50:220:50:25

who is part of a whole cabal with John Dalli and Silvio Zammit.

0:50:250:50:30

I had a very brief conversation with Gayle Kimberley.

0:50:350:50:38

Uh-huh. On the phone. Uh-huh.

0:50:380:50:40

And she did not want to meet with us,

0:50:400:50:44

talk to us, and I said, "But why?"

0:50:440:50:47

you know, and then she said...

0:50:470:50:50

"No, because they are powerful people," she said.

0:50:500:50:54

Something in that line.

0:50:540:50:57

When you mentioned Zammit and Iosif...

0:50:570:51:01

Iosif Galea. She sounds...afraid.

0:51:010:51:05

But you wouldn't have said Zammit was powerful -

0:51:090:51:12

Zammit is not powerful here.

0:51:120:51:14

You met Zammit. Yeah, yeah. We met him.

0:51:140:51:17

What is that?

0:51:200:51:21

You're not going to... Do not...

0:51:210:51:24

It's a naked woman.

0:51:240:51:26

It's she. It's Gayle Kimberley?

0:51:260:51:29

Don't say nothing in front of the cameras.

0:51:350:51:38

Because it's illegal.

0:51:380:51:40

Those are to show you...

0:51:410:51:44

to show my evidence for the court. Mm-hm.

0:51:440:51:46

Because I have all the evidence, you know.

0:51:460:51:48

PHONE RINGS

0:51:480:51:52

Hello? This is journalist Mads Brugger,

0:51:520:51:55

calling for Gayle Kimberley.

0:51:550:51:58

Yes, this is Gayle. I have been to Malta several times,

0:51:580:52:02

speaking with Silvio Zammit. He has...

0:52:020:52:05

He walks around with this folder

0:52:050:52:08

with everything, that according to him...

0:52:080:52:12

Who, Silvio Zammit?

0:52:120:52:14

Silvio Zammit walks around with this folder, this file,

0:52:140:52:17

which contains everything that, according to him,

0:52:170:52:20

proves how innocent he is,

0:52:200:52:22

and inside that file is a picture of you in your underwear.

0:52:220:52:25

Oh, my God. Seriously? When did they take pictures of me in my underwear?

0:52:270:52:31

No, I was not aware. Erm... You see, it is making me very anxious.

0:52:310:52:36

I'm sorry, but I don't want to discuss this any more.

0:52:360:52:40

I had no idea they fabricated e-mails...

0:52:400:52:43

Can I ask you, was he blackmailing you? Ah, I cannot...

0:52:430:52:47

Can I ask you...? This is just to get the facts straight.

0:52:470:52:51

Erm, I really need to go, I can't...

0:52:510:52:54

Anyway, I am coming back... No, thank you for your work.

0:52:540:52:58

It's from a holiday or...?

0:53:010:53:04

In Italy? I mean, that's a picture, OK?

0:53:040:53:06

That I take. I have thousands of pictures with people.

0:53:060:53:10

Yeah. People have to come to me, we're in parties,

0:53:100:53:12

and things like that, and I will... No, they take pictures.

0:53:120:53:16

That's it. But there is no closeness.

0:53:160:53:19

I don't have any business dealings with Zammit.

0:53:190:53:22

I mean, I don't have any...

0:53:220:53:24

Nothing. Understand?

0:53:240:53:26

And Zammit never represented me in anything, never.

0:53:270:53:31

"Remember, you are dealing with a real businessman now.

0:53:470:53:50

"Not a fool.

0:53:500:53:52

First you send me a small sample of..."

0:53:520:53:54

"A real businessman now.

0:53:550:53:58

"Not a fool."

0:53:580:54:00

"No funny,

0:54:020:54:05

"no money."

0:54:050:54:07

"Send me a sample of material..."

0:54:090:54:12

"I thank you for the opportunity to talk about the Bahamas,

0:54:170:54:21

"and crush the insinuations and defamation that were being bandied

0:54:210:54:25

"about by Kessler, Daphne Caruana Galizia and their cohorts."

0:54:250:54:30

"Please allow me to call when I reach Europe.

0:55:250:55:28

"I am positive we shall be friends forever after this." Yes.

0:55:280:55:32

"Looking forward to being best

0:55:380:55:42

"friends with you."

0:55:420:55:46

Best friends forever.

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