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THIS PROGRAMME CONTAINS SCENES WHICH SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND UPSETTING | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital - for over 30 years, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
their heart transplant team have made dramatic advances. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Life expectancy of the new organ | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
has doubled over the years. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
But they face a huge problem. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
Every year, the number of donor hearts decreases. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
Safer roads, better intensive care | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
and a society reluctant to donate, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
means fewer hearts and longer waits. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Keeping somebody in hospital | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
for three to six months while you're waiting for | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
a heart transplant is a very expensive thing to do. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
More and more people will not make it to their transplantation | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
and they will die while waiting. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
The medical team face a dilemma - | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
while every parent believes their child should be the lucky one, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
doctors must weigh up the risk | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
against their limited resources. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
He will ultimately get out of here | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
in a good, healthy condition. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
We've got so much trust in the doctors here. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
They will get him through this. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
MONITOR BLEEPS | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
VENTILATOR RASPS | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Two-year-old Holly Keogh | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
has lived with a heart condition since birth. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Last week she went into sudden heart failure | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and was flown from Ireland to Great Ormond Street's | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
cardiac intensive care unit. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
She's been stable, she's been very calm, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
completely asleep, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
resting, almost like hibernation. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
I think she knows her family are there, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
because when they touch her hand, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
there's a minor change in her observations, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
but other than that, the machines are doing everything for her. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
With her heart failing, she needs a transplant, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
but she could die waiting. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
They've always said she's a little girl running round | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
on a heart that doesn't work. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
Obviously, on a hell of a lot of medication, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
so that was helping too, but still, she was managing. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
She, basically, collapsed in my arms | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
and a week later then we ended up over here. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
For her safety, the doctors have put her into an induced coma. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
When a doctor's telling you your daughter's at risk of sudden death, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
and you're in a hospital in intensive care, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
it's very scary, you get scared, because you're feeling | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
this is the place where it shouldn't happen. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
While they wait for a donor heart to become available, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
their only option is to put Holly onto a machine | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
called the Berlin Heart. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
This operation is as risky as a transplant itself. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
At its very basic level, it is just a pump | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
and it works by taking blood away from the heart, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
and pumping it back into the body, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
in such a way that the heart goes, "Ahhh! | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
"I don't have to do it!" and has a bit of a rest. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
In most situations here we're putting them in to support our patients | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
until such time as they can get a heart transplant. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
We can't predict when that's going to happen. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
We wish we could, but we can't. We have to wait. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
LIFT BELL PINGS | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
THEY CHATTER | 0:03:49 | 0:03:50 | |
THEATRE NURSE: OK, so this is Holly Keogh. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
This girl's been listed for a while and been transferred | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
urgently from Dublin with a deterioration. Ionotrope dependant. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
She's on a lot of antibiotics. She's had some teicoplanin from us. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
There's blood available. No allergies. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
CLOCK TICKS | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
Despite the risks, the Berlin Heart | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
has saved the lives of 46 children at Great Ormond Street, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
keeping them alive until a heart became available. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
These are handmade in Germany. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Rather beautiful, isn't it? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
And 18,500 euros each. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Cheap at half the price. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
When we started using these, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
we really wondered how children | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
and families would just cope with what looks like a monstrosity | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
sitting outside their children's tummy | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
and it's full of blood. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
This part of the chamber is red because blood's coming in this way | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
and going out that way. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
I'm always amazed, whatever disease process you have, how well | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
children cope with it and how well their parents cope with it as well. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
I think it just reflects human nature | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and how well you can cope with almost anything life throws at you. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
At anything up to seven hours long, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
this procedure requires the surgical team to install and secure | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
tubes into Holly's existing heart chambers, then subtly | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
rebalance the pressures of her circulation. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
Think we'll go size nine, yes? | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
WATER GURGLES SOFTLY | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
SURGEON GIVES INSTRUCTIONS | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
For this procedure, Holly was put on a heart bypass machine. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
It's running. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Two hours into the operation, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Holly is coming off bypass. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Only now will the surgical team know if the Berlin Heart | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
can keep her alive. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
When we first came off, the right ventricle was very dilated | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
and the pressures were very low. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
She was really struggling. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
We've tried various manoeuvres, we've increased adrenaline, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
paced and back on bypass to give her heart a bit of a rest, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
come off again and actually everything's much, much better now. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
So, actually it's looking good at the moment, much better. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
The Berlin Heart has saved her life, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
but around 20% of the children on the device do not survive | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
to transplant. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
From being listed for transplant, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
you could have a transplant within hours, which has happened to | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
some of our patients, or you could wait up to a year or more. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
Unfortunately, there is a huge shortage of small organs | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
in the country. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
She could potentially have to wait a good while for her new heart. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
11-year-old Sol Giorgio was diagnosed | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
with a severely defective heart before he was even born. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
I've known him since prenatal life, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
from about 20 weeks of gestation, when he was found to have | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
a big hole in between the two pumping chambers of the heart. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
The right and left pumping chambers were inverted. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
He's lived with a pacemaker and has been a regular visitor to | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
the hospital where he's undergone numerous procedures. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
You never know when a boy chops his finger off | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
whilst making a hamburger and needs a finger. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
He knows that he's here to be made better. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
He wants to go home because he misses his friends, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
he misses his room, he misses his house, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
but he knows that he's going to have some sort of operation. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
He doesn't need to know too much now, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
because he's 11 years old | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
and some things, obviously you | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
can tell him, and some things you may want to be a bit more careful. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
He's able to hold a normal conversation | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
and is able to do things at rest. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
He's not really able to walk far, becomes breathless. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
He wouldn't manage a day at school. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Two weeks ago, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
he came back to hospital as one of the valves in his heart was failing. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
The heart is not well enough | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
for us to safely repair this valve at the moment. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
Therefore, we have to think of other forms of treatment for him | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
and the other form of treatment that we have discussed | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
and thought about was possibly transplantation. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
But because the left-hand side of the heart isn't working very well, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
the pressure in the right-hand side of the heart has increased, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
which makes him at high risk for transplantation. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
But the team face a dilemma. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Recent tests showed that his irregular circulation | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
could cause a transplant to fail, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
but if they do nothing, he will die. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Doctors have changed his medication | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
and are going to repeat the tests, hoping he'll have improved enough | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
to be eligible for transplant. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
I feel really tired. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
NURSES CONFER | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Is it because of the medicine that you gave me? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
Yeah, makes you feel sleepy, doesn't it? | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
It makes you feel relaxed. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
What I did need everybody to be aware of | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
was just how high risk the anaesthetic had been, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
last time, or how stormy the anaesthetic had been last time | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
and that this time it will be equally high risk. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
And so therefore, I wanted everybody to be aware | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
that something bad could happen this afternoon | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
and therefore we could stop the quality of life Sol had left to him | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
and I just wanted to make sure that | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
it was a genuine idea we really were going to find something different | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
this time to make this worthwhile. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
'We've had a long discussion this morning | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
'about how justifiable it was to do this investigation. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
'Reluctantly, I think, the anaesthetist has been persuaded' | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
that the information would be important | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
and does make a huge difference in how we might treat him. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
His parents have been very committed to this child, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
really, from early on in gestation. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
They knew there was a worrying outlook and therefore at this stage, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
they're not happy to give up and think Sol doesn't have a future. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
They still think that Sol has a future, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
even if it means doing quite invasive things to achieve that future. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
The data they collect will decide whether he's suitable for transplant. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
This is very hard to interpret. Breathe away again, please. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
The EDP's up at 29 and 30. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
-It's not good, I'm afraid. -OK. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
A bit disappointing. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Well, it's very, because he looked better, didn't he? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
He's actually been behaving better and looking better. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
OK, so it's average between the 2.3... | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Dr Graham Derek will give Sol the gas nitric oxide, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
hoping it will open up the blood vessels and normalise his pressures. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
OK, injecting. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
-See you later. -Thanks. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
OK, go. We're ready. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Now we just wait, just wait to see whether the medicine he inhaled, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
nitric oxide and the increased oxygen, makes a difference to the pressures. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
Can we just checked the zeroes again, please? | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
It's down from 28 to 25. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
VOICE FADES OUT | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Half an hour later, the nitric oxide has worked and they have their data. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
The second set of figures are more promising. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
He isn't protecting himself, is he, from pulmonary oedema, by... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:10 | |
Clamping down. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Clamping down. Is he, is... | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Do the pulmonary veins respond to nitric oxygen? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Gosh, I should know. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
He will ultimately get out of here in a good, healthy condition. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
And we know that. Some friends of mine have been asking, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
was there a chance he might lose, he might win? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
That never, honestly, has ever crossed my mind. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
We've got so much trust in the doctors here. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
They will get him through this. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
If it means getting him a new heart, then great. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Would you not expect his cardiogram to go up? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
Yes, I would've thought it would go up, you see.... But it hasn't. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
Well, it's very difficult. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
I think this is do-able. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
It's a reasonable risk, I think, isn't it? On these numbers? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
Over the next few days, doctors will need to make a decision | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
whether to list him for transplant or not. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Within days on the Berlin Heart, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
there's been a dramatic change in Holly's condition. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
She's alert, she's active, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
she's almost, has also begun to mobilise, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
she stood up for the first time, I think, after coming to the ICU, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
has been asking for food and having some breakfast, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
so that's really good. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Holly's now well enough to join a queue of children | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
waiting for hearts on Ladybird Ward. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
-Mummy. -What's that? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Mummy! | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
What is it? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
Mummy! | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
When the programme first began at Great Ormond Street in the 1980s, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
we didn't have anyway of looking after children | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
who had end stage heart failure, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
other than drugs and using a ventilator to help their breathing. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
I can remember as a junior doctor | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
seeing patients slowly fade away on the ward here. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
So all these children on the Berlin Heart, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
ten years ago, would be dead, if they were on the ward at that time. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
Bend it all the way, and kick. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
And bend it, and kick. And bend it, and kick. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
The Berlin Heart is keeping these children alive, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
but it's a strain on the hospital's resources. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
The children are confined to the hospital | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
and there are serious dangers having a life supported mechanically. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
There's three big issues with this - bleeding, clotting and infection. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
Clots develop in the circuit | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
and we have to change these chambers sometimes, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
but sometimes a big clot may occur very quickly | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
and flick off into the circulation | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
and strokes is one of the common issues | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
with artificial pumps and artificial hearts. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
There are some children who sadly become very sick while on the Berlin Heart, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:42 | |
have a major complication and do not survive. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
And in general, the longer you're on Berlin Heart, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
the more likely you are to have some sort of complication. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Ellie arrived at Great Ormond Street after a virus irreversibly damaged her heart. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
She and her family have been confined to the hospital for over three months. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
104 days. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Which is not as long | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
as the longest person at Great Ormond Street Hospital. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
The longest a child's been on Berlin Heart is 228 days, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
so we've got a way to go, but we're not going for the record. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
We're well dug in now, I think is the way to look at it. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
We've got our routine sorted out. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
A lot of it is really just Ellie being two | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
and us being parents and making sure we're good parents towards her. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
-Are you going to jump in the muddy puddles? -Yes! | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
During her time on the ward, Ellie has had multiple infections | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
and had four Berlin Heart chamber changes due to clotting. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Clever girl. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
One undetected clot resulted in a stroke. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Do your shoes light up? | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
These devices really weren't, originally considered to be suitable | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
for such long-term waits for transplant. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
We're lucky we haven't seen more complications with it. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
These poor children and their families | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
are just having very long waits for transplant. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
Internationally, the figures are about one in four | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
will never make it to transplant | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
because of the complications, but you think everyone's doing, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
doing their best, but it's a really difficult situation. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Without transplant, there isn't an exit strategy for these children | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
and they will get to a stage, I'm sure | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
and I think we're feeling very close to it, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
where we are unable to offer more support to the next child, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
because we haven't been able to move any of these other children along. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
Older children have shorter waits, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
as they can receive hearts from adult donors. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
The hearts of a size suitable for these children on Ladybird | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
are the rarest of all. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
-What flavour ice pops would you like? -Orange. -Orange? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
-Would you like strawberry ones? -Yes. -Mmm... | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
Holly, having just arrived, is at the back of the queue. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
-Do you want to sit up a little bit? -No. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Today was a big day, because we only got told this morning | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
that we were coming to the Ladybird Ward, so that was great. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
She's going to make new friends | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
and hopefully enjoy herself as best we can. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
As best we can, isn't that right, baby? What, sweetheart. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
-I want to go home. -We will be going home, very soon, OK? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:44 | |
OK? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
-You're the best girl, aren't you? -I don't want to stay here. -I know. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
Whoa! | 0:19:56 | 0:19:57 | |
Sol has recovered from his investigation. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
And his parents are waiting to hear the decision from the team. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Yes! I can turn back into a car again. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
We discussed Sol in whether we would accept him for a, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
will be a high risk heart transplant, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
or whether we would still consider whether he should be assisted | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
while we're waiting for a graft to become available to him. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
That's what we need to discuss today. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
In an ideal world, if there were no complications to assist, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
that would be the safest thing. He would assisted and listed, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
but the complications of assist, we need to balance against that. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
Also, how he is now, really, he's reasonably stable and prepared. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
But I think the risk, I mean, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
it's still not without significant risk, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
bringing on a broken heart, is it? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
The chances are, we would accept him at a higher risk for transplant now. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:00 | |
So, I wouldn't do it a Berlin Heart, personally. What do you feel? | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
Yes. I think this data's been very helpful. He has improved on the ward. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
But he's a much better patient now and is lower risk, I think, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
as a result of what's happened with the bed rest and the moving on in time. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
-I'm very encouraged by this, I must say. -Mmm. -Very pleased. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
VOICES FADE OUT | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
Doctors decide to list Sol for transplant. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
They must discuss this with the family | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
and convince them this is the right thing to do. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
-I'm Matthew. -Nice to meet you. -Hi, you all right? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Transplant isn't something that you want to do for any family, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
but if a child is sick enough | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
and there isn't any other treatment option available, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
then ultimately, transplant is the only thing left to some families. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
They just need to take away the basics, that this isn't a cure. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
This is a treatment option that's going to give, hopefully, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
a really good quality of life for a longer amount of time | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
than they would have without a transplant. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
It's a teamwork thing, so we need to have a conversation about | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
what it means to have a transplant, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
what the quality-of-life is. I don't know whether Dr Birch covered all that, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
things that can go wrong and all those sorts of things, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
-so you can make a decision... -Not in too much detail. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
He gave us the, you know, what certain risks there could be, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
-things like kidney failure. -Yes. -Or some kind of cancer. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
So we've mentioned some of the major things | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
which can go wrong after transplant, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
and did Dr Birch tell you about life expectancy after transplant? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-No, he didn't. -So, if you take ten people now, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
you gave them a transplant, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
in 15 to 20 years' time, only half of those, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
seven, five to five seven of those would be alive at that point. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
So, survival is, for that particular graft, is 15, 20 years. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
When you talk about life expectancy, it's such a big thing to face... | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
It's quite a long way away. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
As far as medical research is concerned and medical change, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
there's still, there's still potential for change. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
We want him to feel as normal as possible growing up, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
cos he's still only 11 and he hasn't, he's... | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Physically, he's had a limited childhood. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Intellectually, he's been up there, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
he's done very well, we're so proud of him, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
but he's never been able to run and really commit himself physically. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
We just want him to have a normal, normal teenage years. Really... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:42 | |
-Well, a normal life. -Normal, healthy life. Yes, of course. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
And then we come down to how we talk to him about it | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
and how we do that, and that's for you to kind of think about. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Sometimes it's a bit like saying you have a car that's not working | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
and you need to change the engine, it just needs a new engine | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
and we expect he'll have a really good quality of life afterwards | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
and he'll go to school and he'll be able to play football, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
all those things and we look at the positive side and try not to frighten him. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
If you feel comfortable, I would like to talk to him today, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
because the longer you, this as a conversation rather than me saying, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
I would like to get him on the list as soon as possible | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
and we're in a position to be able to list him today. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
We have the antibodies back and there were very few, but I don't want to push you too hard. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
-Can we take our time? -Yes, you've got to feel comfortable. -Don't want to give a decision now. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
No, fine. You've got to feel comfortable with it. Absolutely. Absolutely. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
He's just gone through a lot in the last 24 hours. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
To throw this at him now | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
is going to be too much for an 11-year-old to take on. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
-Yes? -Good. -Thank you. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
'Really, their minds are working overtime, thinking,' | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
"how have I ended up in this situation? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
"I can't believe we're here." | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Very often you have to repeat things quite a few times just so you're sure | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
that they know exactly what they're getting themselves into. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
It's not because they're not listening. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
It's purely because their minds are working overtime, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
thinking of all the other things in their lives | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
that are going to be affected by this one decision. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
So, it's pretty tough for them. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
You don't have to tell him today. I'll be very, very clear about that. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
The issue is, if you don't tell him today, he can't be listed today. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
If we talk to him on Monday then we can list him first thing Monday, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
but that's the only thing that... If you're happy for him not to, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
then that's fine. We're happy for him not to be told today, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
it just means that he won't be able... If a heart came along, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
he wouldn't be able to have it. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
So... | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
OK. Got it. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
The parents have asked Dr Rob Yates to explain to Sol | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
why he needs a transplant. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
When I first saw the information from the test | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
I was a bit worried, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
but after we'd done some further tests and that kind Dr Derek | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
had done some further tests, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
it actually looked a whole heap better | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
so that's really good news. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
But even with that getting better, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
we still think that the problems in your heart are such | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
that it's not going to be possible to fix it | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
with a straightforward operation. Yeah? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
But we do think that it would be possible to think about doing a transplant operation instead, OK? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:31 | |
Now, that's a big step. I know that that's been said to you already... | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
It's all right, it's fine. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
-He's doing OK. You're doing really, really well. -Good boy. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
You're fine. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
We're proud of you for what you've gone through | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
and for being so brave about it, all right? | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
It's OK. There's some really good things about that, too, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
because it would mean that you wouldn't need a new pacemaker box. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
If everything went fine, I would never need another operation. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
Erm, I would hope that you wouldn't need another operation, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
I can't promise. The likelihood would be small. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
OK? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
When my old one's out, how long will it be out for? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
Sometimes it's difficult for us to put hearts in children who've had lots of operations before | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
and the old heart has to be out for several hours | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
before we can put the new one in. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
-You know when I wake up? -Yep. -When I wake up... | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
will I feel that I have a new heart | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
-or will I feel as I did when I went to sleep? -You will feel just as you did | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
when you went to sleep, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
but I hope that you'll feel healthier and better. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
OK? | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
-OK. -All right? -It's just like a normal operation, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
-except it'll last a bit longer. -A bit longer, a bit bigger, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
but we think that this is the best way forward for you. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
OK? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
We have a plan now. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
We know where we're going. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
I think it's been jolly difficult for Mum and Dad | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
because they haven't known what we're going to do | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
and when we're going to do it. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
-My friend had cancer... -Mm. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
..and what's more important, this or cancer? | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
They're just as important. There isn't a more important bit. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
Didn't he come to see you this morning? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
-Look how fit and well he looked. -Yeah, exactly. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
And he played with you. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
So... All right, OK, OK. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
-It's going to be fine. -Hey, hey, hey. It's all right. It's fine. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
You've been brave up to this point and you can be brave from here on. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:46 | |
-SOL WAILS OK, all right. -It's all right, nobody's going away. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
I'm not going anywhere, OK? | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
It's all good. It's all good. You're just going to get better and better and better and better and better, OK? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:59 | |
Shall we stop... Do you have any other questions? | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
At the moment? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
-I have one more question. -Yeah. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
-Do you like my Ferrari F50? -I do. Yeah, I like your Ferrari F50. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:14 | |
Very smart. You've been very brave. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
-He's been very good. -Yeah, he's been really good. -He'd done really well. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
'It's been hard work. It's been a real team effort.' | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
When we try and do transplants in children with difficult heart problems | 0:29:26 | 0:29:32 | |
in whom the transplant is high-risk, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
then making a decision to do a transplant | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
when not very many transplants happen | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
and high-risk transplants mean that the recipient may not get such benefit | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
from the transplanted organ as someone who's not high-risk, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
is a very difficult decision to make. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
It's a scarce resource and it's one of the resources | 0:29:52 | 0:29:58 | |
which is not financially, but is by necessity, rationed within the NHS | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
and there is no way round that. So it is a very difficult decision. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
JJ? JJ, what special day is it? | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
D'you know what special day it is? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
Can you remember? Shall I tell you, J? It's my birthday! | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
Yay! | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Ooh. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:26 | |
There's a birthday on Ladybird Ward | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
and they're taking the unusual step | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
of going out of the hospital for pizza. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Unfortunately, Holly's too unwell to join them. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
We're just checking that we've got everything - | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
the emergency pack for the bag, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
erm, it's been so long since we've been outside the hospital | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
that we don't even have a nappy bag or proper nappy wipes or anything. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
We've forgotten the type of things we used to take out with us. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Yeah, we've forgotten the routine of life, so we're just improvising. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
Emergency equipment check. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
-Four clamps. -Yep. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
-Orange power cable. -Erm, attached to the mains. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
Re-breathe bag. Oxygen tubing. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
-Attached. -Appropriate-sized mask? -Yep. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
When that's switched on, you'll get a little green light. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
-You're drawing on the battery, it's not a "charged" light. -Ah, right. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
Ignore that completely, there is no charge indicator on the battery. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
The first time he's been out since January. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
Now, what do you think? | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
You want food? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:53 | |
As a group, the Berlin Heart children are the most expensive | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
in the department. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
If you have a very small number of children | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
who have very expensive treatment, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
then it has a negative effect | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
on a hospital's budget, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:09 | |
and keeping somebody in hospital for three-to-six months | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
while you're waiting for a heart transplant | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
is a very expensive thing to do. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
There we go, some pizza and a little bit of chicken. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
'Some people might think we're crazy to be doing this,' | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
you know, that this is a complete waste of money, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
but that isn't how we see it, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
because we see truly positive results from children | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
who are extremely ill having successful cardiac transplants | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
and having extremely good quality of life. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
MACHINE BEEPS ONCE | 0:32:51 | 0:32:52 | |
Over the last few days, Sol's taken a turn for the worse. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:58 | |
His heart reserve had fallen, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
'he was much more breathless, exhausted and tired | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
'and had lost his appetite' | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
and that's a really bad sign. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
When you stop eating when you've got heart failure, that's a bad sign. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
'His liver was much bigger. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
'He was not going to wait much longer for a transplant.' | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
So he doesn't... He gets one beat, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
but he can't produce an output on the second beat, which... | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
He's not filling enough to, maybe... I don't know. On that second beat... | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
THEY MURMUR | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
There's no time to wait for a transplant. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
The doctors decide to put Sol on a Berlin Heart. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
They've never used it to support someone with such a complex condition before. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
But he's dying, so there's no other option. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
After four hours, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
surgeons have successfully installed the Berlin Heart. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
We haven't done this before. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
We don't really know how it's going to work out | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
but we know the alternative is patient demise. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
Faced with that reality, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
it was a step that we were all willing to take, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
erm, into the unknown, together with the parents | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
and the whole unit. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
After the huge investment and effort, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
doctors hope that it will not simply defer the inevitable. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
'The more children that we support with the Berlin Heart | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
'and other mechanical devices,' | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
their only exit route from that whole process | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
is to have a heart transplant. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
'So there's going to be a point where we're going to see | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
'that people coming into the unit to be provided with that support' | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
are going to be stuck because there's not enough donors, and what we really need | 0:35:27 | 0:35:33 | |
is to be able to increase donor numbers somehow. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
What are you doing? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
-I'm looking at the goldfish. -There you go. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
-Are you seeing them? -Why can't we take that off? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
-So we can see a fish. -Have you seen the goldfish today? | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
Overnight, the team have finally had an offer of a heart | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
from over 1,000 miles away in Europe. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
It's a match for Ellie. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
OK. Had the call, it's good to go. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
-Good to go. -OK? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
They're still in theatre, they've viewed the heart, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
the heart looks good. They're not leaving just yet, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
I need to let theatres know that they're all good to go and get up and running, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
but we'll probably be going to theatre in the next 10, 15 minutes, I would have thought. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
-OK. Yes. -Fantastic. That's fantastic news, that really is. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
OK? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
'So happy for them.' | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
Pure relief, because they've had five months of, they were like, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
"That's never going to happen." | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
'As well as that, it was relief as well on my behalf, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
'because I was looking at them, going, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
' "God, it can happen," because I was beginning to believe' | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
it wasn't going to happen | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
because we had three children all at a very close, similar age. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
I was beginning to think | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
'that this age group was just going to build up and build up. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
'Now at least there's a chance, maybe, Holly might get one.' | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
Having spent over five months on the Berlin Heart, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
Ellie finally gets her chance. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
OK, let's do it. Do it to it. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
So, heart's there. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
And then paperwork's here. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Right, time to take out the old. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
Take a look. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
Still beating. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
It's kind of sad. For every heart you get, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
-there's a sad story behind it. -Oh, yeah, absolutely. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
Because the heart's been ischaemic | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
for a period of time and has lost its own innovation, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
we've had to put some external pacing wires on | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
to try and get it to contract, | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
so we're pacing it at the moment to stimulate it to beat | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and hopefully, once it's sorted itself out, we turn off the pacing | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
and it should take over its own contraction. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
It may take 24 hours, it may take a few hours, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
it may take a few minutes, it just needs time to recover. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
BEEPING | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
HE MUMBLES | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
I've no action, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
no cardiac action for about a good 30 minutes. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
I've never had that before. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
It just said, "Still." | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
And you can see. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Don't fill any more? | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
Yeah, don't fill any more. Oh, jeez. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
BEEPING CONTINUES | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
'It wasn't beating. It was just still.' | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
That's bad...right? | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
You're putting in a new heart. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
This heart is supposed to be healthy, vigorous, powerful | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
and after you establish blood flow, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
when this new heart gets blood flow, it is still... | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
then that's bad. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
He was very concerned that the heart took some time to get going | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
and initially, really, there wasn't very much cardiac activity. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
Fortunately it's been a young donor heart | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
and young hearts will improve even though they've been under | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
quite a lot of stress, there's been travel time, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
I think there's still a good chance things are going to work out here. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
So we'll be optimistic, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
but still, I think we have to be a little bit cautious. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
It's going to be a difficult night. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
They're about to take Ellie up to intensive care for recovery | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
when there's a problem. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
The surgeon is called back into theatre. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
It's a combination of high CV and low blood pressure | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
that suggests there's an RV failure here. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Yeah... It was just so sudden, it was like mechanical. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Oop, CV just dropped. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
What's going on? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
Suddenly, just bang. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Yeah. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:19 | |
That is just the strangest thing I have ever seen. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
Weird. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
The pressure started to drop and then we were opening the chest, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
there's not that much bleeding, and all of a sudden it got better. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
So...touchy. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
Oh, well. I wish I'd known. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
After eight hours in surgery, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
TY, the surgeon, wants to speak to the parents. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
Now the truth. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:53 | |
The surgery itself went fine. The thing is, though, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
typically when you release the clamp to allow blood to fill the new heart, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:09 | |
the new heart typically starts to beat pretty quickly. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
For some reason this heart was very sluggish. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
In fact, it was inactive for about 30 minutes, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
and that's a little unusual, so that raised a little bit the alarm bell. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
All of a sudden it got better. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
Again, for no good reason. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
I couldn't tell you why, so what you need to know, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
the bottom line is that she's stable. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
The numbers are good right now | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
and she's on a moderate amount of support with drugs. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
She's off the Berlin Heart. She doesn't probably need ECMO right now. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:46 | |
The bleeding is under control. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
Is that OK? | 0:42:48 | 0:42:49 | |
So it's another waiting game? | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
-Yes. -OK. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
Well, thank you for doing what you've done, you must be tired. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
This is a healthy heart. It SHOULD recover just with some TLC, I guess. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:05 | |
After three days on cardiac intensive care, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
Ellie's new heart is beating well | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
and the team are pleased with her progress. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
Sol, now on the Berlin Heart, is weak but stable. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
That day was really difficult, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
but once we overcame that and we see how well he's doing, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
then I think to myself, now I know that he's looking after us upstairs, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:07 | |
and you know, at the same time I know it's going to be fine | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
when it comes to the heart operation, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
cos this was a lot more difficult than the transplant. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
Definitely. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:19 | |
It's 1am and after a three-week wait for Sol, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
his parents have been told a donor organ might be available. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
A team has been sent out to check the donor heart is suitable. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
It's very good news... the heart's fine. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
Brilliant, brilliant, thank you so much. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
Thank you, I want to kiss you now! | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
LAUGHING: Don't kiss me, I've done nothing! | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
Thank you so much. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
All the donor team, or the donor. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
-Without the donor we wouldn't be in this position. -Oh, God, yeah. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
OK? So everything looks good at the moment. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
The surgical team up there are more than happy with the heart function. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
It will be a while before we go to theatre, probably about an hour. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:14 | |
That's fine. That's fine... | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
Going to theatre. So we need to tell him. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
I feel, personally, excited, but worried, obviously. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:26 | |
And... | 0:45:28 | 0:45:29 | |
It's very mixed emotions. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
It's so mixed emotions. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
-And it's normal. -Yeah. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:34 | |
It is really normal to go through this. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
And the medical team that are doing it are... | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
They're all here waiting. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
It's going to be fine. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
He's going to be playing football sooner than we know. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
I'll just pop my head in and make sure he's decent. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
I need to get you into one of these sexy gowns in a minute, OK? | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
'It's been really difficult for him waiting. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
'Especially since he's been on intensive care for a while now | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
'and he is awake and up and about so he is absorbing everything | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
'that's going on around him,' | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
and it's not always pleasant. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
So I think he'll be happy that he can have a heart | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
and potentially get out of intensive care and get home, but I think | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
he's also going to be very worried and very scared, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
like he has normally going into his anaesthetics that he's previously had, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
and I think you know, he's got reason to be worried. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
Do you guys want to go up to the family room or do you want to | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
go to the flat and, I know it sounds funny, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
but try and lay down for a little while? | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
It's probably going to be at least 4-5 hours before we see anything, OK? | 0:46:48 | 0:46:53 | |
SUCTION | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
The bleeding is now becoming horrendous. It's a nightmare here. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
After ten hours of surgery, there's been a change of theatre team | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
and the parents are being told that the transplant is not going to plan. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
The heart is a bit disappointing. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
-We've got an ECMO. -Yep, no worries. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
The new heart, for reasons I don't understand, it's often a risk | 0:47:48 | 0:47:54 | |
that the heart does struggle to cope post-transplant | 0:47:54 | 0:48:00 | |
as it is here. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
I'm not entirely sure why, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
but clearly this new heart isn't doing well enough at the moment... | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
..to allow us to let it take over completely. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
So we're going to convert the bypass circuit to ECMO. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
It'll take us the best part of an hour to get all that sorted out, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
and then go up into ITU on ECMO. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
The ECMO machine will breathe for Sol and pump blood around his body. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:33 | |
Given time, it's hoped Sol's new heart will strengthen, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
gradually taking over from the ECMO machine. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
My fears are that it's not going to work or he's not going to wake up, I guess. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
Or he has another complication from the procedures we're doing | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
with respect to the bypass circuit | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
and the ECMO circuit which means that he's severely affected. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
And that's very frustrating. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
Just remember when you see him today, he's not been well, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
he's had a long day, and he's not going to look well. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
-I know. -All right? -We know, we know. -OK. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
Hey, Solly. Hey, soldier. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
Hey, baby, you made it. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
You made it, sweetheart, you made it. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
You're going to be fine. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
After three days, | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
attempts to take Sol off the ECMO machine have failed. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
So, since we last spoke yesterday we had a look at Sol's heart in detail again, | 0:50:06 | 0:50:14 | |
and what we need to try and do is seize a window where the heart | 0:50:14 | 0:50:20 | |
appears to be working well, where he's free of infection, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
where the lungs are as good as possible, and go from there. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
Now, having tried today and not been able to get him | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
off the ECMO machine, I think we're going to wait | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
for a minimum of 48 hours before we would try again. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
The average time that children would spend on | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
an ECMO machine is somewhere between seven and ten days. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
When we're getting beyond 10-14 days, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
I think that we're less likely to see recovery of heart function. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
Up to that point we would anticipate that the heart will take that | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
sort of time to recover from a big insult and to recover | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
and to be strong enough to work on it's own. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
We've been here before. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
We know that children with this scenario CAN come off the ECMO machine. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
And that their hearts will work, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
so we just need to hang in there | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
for a little bit longer for the time being. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
We are right up against what's possible. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
We've pushed the boundaries to try | 0:51:26 | 0:51:27 | |
and do the heart transplant in the first place. We know that. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
And there's no question that Sol has lurched | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
from crisis to crisis and it has been a question of crisis management. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
That's why we're here. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
We hope that we're going to win in the end | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
and we still have confidence that we will do, but it's difficult | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
and it's going to be even more difficult for the parents. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
It's very difficult to know, even with the benefit of hindsight, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
if we've made the right decisions for Sol. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
And clearly if he's out of hospital in three or four month's time | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
then it 's been worthwhile. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
If sadly, despite all the efforts that have been done, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
he...doesn't get through this, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
or his quality of life is really very poor afterwards, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:34 | |
then our decisions for him and his family weren't correct. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
They were done in good faith. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
Sol's case represents pushing the boundaries of cardiac transplantation | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
and Great Ormond Street Hospital and the cardiac unit | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
have always pushed the boundaries as far as is possible | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
and we should be proud of being able to do that. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
As a consequence, we learn what is possible and what's not possible. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:05 | |
Three weeks after his transplant, Sol is still on intensive care. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:13 | |
He came off ECMO, but has not been problem-free since then. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:20 | |
His heart has worked reasonable well, but his lungs have struggled. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
He's still ventilated. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
His kidneys took a severe hit, or suffered a severe insult, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:31 | |
and it may be that there will be some long-standing kidney damage | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
as a result of that. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:35 | |
It has been a massively traumatic event for his body. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
Are you hot? Or are you cold? | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
Yet, we still feel that there is hope that he will have | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
enough of a quality of life to justify all of the suffering that he, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
primarily, and his family have had to go through to get this far. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
Ellie has left Ladybird Ward | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
and moved into the hospital accommodation with her parents. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
14 days after the transplant, she is going home. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
We're talking about 12 medicines, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
some of them given three times a day, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
so there are three periods of drug-giving. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
This is a small one, this is just three different medicines. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
Part of our life, this is, syringes. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
We are told that Ellie will not remember most of this. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
Erm, but I guess at some stage we have to explain to her | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
in some detail how she got the scar | 0:54:52 | 0:54:53 | |
and how she is a little bit different to most other children. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
Are you going?! | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
Ellie is going home today. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
Ellie! | 0:55:09 | 0:55:10 | |
Those left on Ladybird, however, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
will be one step closer to getting a heart of their own. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
It's quite emotional, actually, to be honest. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
Ellie! | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
Is she your friend? | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
Where is she going? | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
-Best of luck. -And to you. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
I'm absolutely delighted for you, I really am. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
'Obviously there's the uncertainty of the length of her life | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
'and how well the transplant will take, all those sort of things.' | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
And it's this issue of, you know, every parent wants their child | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
to be perfect, and Ellie's been through an awful lot of things | 0:55:46 | 0:55:51 | |
that you wouldn't want to inflict on... | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
..well, anybody at all. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
And its our daughter we've had to allow to go through | 0:55:58 | 0:56:04 | |
'this whole process, and I guess we're now redefining | 0:56:04 | 0:56:10 | |
'what we understand by perfect, cos she is still perfect, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
'but that concept of perfect is just a little bit different,' | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
so you sort of live for the moment with an eye on the future, I guess. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
That's what we have to do. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
-We'll be in touch. -Yeah. Talk to you soon. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
-Thank you! -You'll be back on Wednesday! | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
Yeah! | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
'We always have to warn families that it doesn't last forever. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
'Your average life expectancy after a transplant is around 15 years.' | 0:56:43 | 0:56:48 | |
We have had patients whose new hearts have lasted up to 30 years, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
which is excellent, but in essence, you're not offering a cure. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
This isn't going to solve all of their problems, | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
so while it's an excellent thing to do, it also has its drawbacks. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
The long-term outlook is now | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
so much better than it was even five or ten years ago. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:12 | |
Much, much better. It's not perfect. It's improving all the time. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
We know that the treatment with transplant produces a good quality of life, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:22 | |
IF you can get the donation. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
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