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This afternoon before you came in, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
I'd been taking one of those nostalgic walks | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
which I occasionally, I'm afraid, indulge in. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
And this one is my favourite one. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
It takes me down by the Embankment by the Thames | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
opposite that extraordinary building, the National Liberal Club, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:05 | |
then I walk along from that point towards Westminster. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
And as I approach Westminster, on my right, there is | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
a very remarkable building indeed. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
And with that building, I have all sorts of affinity. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
I tell you - first of all, biological affinity. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
That building was being built at the time that I was born. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
It was being built here and I was born in place called Glasgow. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
You know Glasgow? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
Indeed. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
Well, I was being born in Glasgow | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
when that building was being born here in London. New Scotland Yard. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
New Scotland Yard. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
That building has two great round towers, one at each corner, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
facing upon the river and in one of those towers it so happens - | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
and this is a matter of purely personal interest - | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
that I spent my first hours and days and weeks as | 0:01:56 | 0:02:03 | |
a professional archaeologist. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
At that time, in spite of the fact that most of the building was | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
occupied by the Metropolitan police force, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
somehow or other, by some contrivance over there, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
this tower had been partially allotted | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
to an obscure Royal Commission - | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
the Royal Commission On Historical Monuments for England. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
They allotted me to the editorial staff | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and the editorial staff of those days were one man - Alfred Clapham - | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
later on SIR Alfred Clapham, who immediately became my closest | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
friend and remained my closest friend until he died 20 years ago. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Well, I remember on one occasion, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Clapham - we always called each other by our surnames to | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
the end of our days - he died with my surname on his lips | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and we used to have this little conversation for ten minutes, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
ten minutes precisely, about some irrelevant subject. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
On one occasion he, a Yorkshireman, told me about a very | 0:03:03 | 0:03:09 | |
remarkable ancient monument, a series, enormous series, miles long, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:16 | |
of earthworks in northern Yorkshire at a place called Stanwick. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
Our conversation was interrupted, I remember, by the fact | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
that across the adjacent Westminster Bridge past | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
the statue of Boadicea, there was marching a battalion of infantrymen | 0:03:29 | 0:03:36 | |
in khaki - it was just two days before the opening | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
of the First World War and the troops were assembling. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
And we looked at that and forgot Stanwick. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
And then, my mind is a blank in this respect, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
for, say, nearly 40 years, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
and then nearly 40 years later, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
after two world wars | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
and all sorts of minor sub-adventures | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
or non-adventures in peace time, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
I found myself back in London, sitting in my room | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
at the University Of London, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
where apparently I was some sort of professor, one of those things | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
and my door opened and in came | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
a man whom I recognised as the Chief Inspector Of Ancient Monuments, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
the man in charge of all the ancient buildings in the country. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
And he said he'd come... I said, "Do you represent the King?" | 0:04:29 | 0:04:36 | |
He looked rather like it. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
And he said, "No, not exactly, but I represent the Ministry Of Works. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
"And I've come to you with a petition." And the petition was this. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
In the following year - it was 1950 - but in the following year, 1951, it | 0:04:48 | 0:04:54 | |
had been intended, it WAS intended, to hold a Festival Of Britain. | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
A sort of centenary of the great exhibition in Hyde Park in 1851, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:07 | |
and the site chosen was precisely opposite the...New Scotland Yard, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:14 | |
on the other side of the Thames. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
And it may be that there was a remote association in my mind | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
between the two, but anyway, his petition was this. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
"The Ministry Of Works, representing the government, offer you | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
"the excavation, the means to excavate, any site you like, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:36 | |
"in England, provided it's available, at any cost that you like to name." | 0:05:36 | 0:05:43 | |
Well, of course, this sort of thing happens to you in a dream | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
and here it was - the world on a plate. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
And he said, he went on to say, "Don't hurry with your answer. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
"It's a big question. Take your time." | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
And I said, "I'll tell you now." | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
My mind went back over those 40 years in that flash of an instant | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
to our little conversation all those years ago in the turret, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
in the tower, corner tower of New Scotland Yard, and I said, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:19 | |
"I'll do the earthworks at Stanwick." Then I added, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
"I've never been there, I've never seen them, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
"but if they are what I think they are said to be, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
"well, they're a alleged to be, then I can't do them | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
"unless I have the whole finances of what is left of the British Empire | 0:06:33 | 0:06:39 | |
"to work upon. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
"But since you offer me those finances, I'm prepared to say yes. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
"What about going up there and having a look at the place next week?" | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
Next week we went. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Northern Yorkshire, five miles from Darlington. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
The rain's streaming down like an oriental monsoon. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
We were in gumboots and Macintoshes and things | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
and we climbed for mile after mile after mile across walls, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
through hedges, over earthworks which seemed interminable. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
Banks and ramparts, ditches of various kinds, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
an integral work of defence of some kind or other. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
Who built it? No-one knew. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
No-one knew what it contained, although of course, as one began to | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
think over it, one came to certain provisional conclusions. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Which you're obviously not going to tell me right now. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
Er, no. It wouldn't be artistic to tell you at this stage | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
but the... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
When we got down to work, one had to ask that question, now | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
where in six miles are you going to dig in the hope of finding anything? | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
You don't just dig in the blue, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
you take a place where there is an entrance, an entrance, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
through which traffic must have converged. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
It's at the entrance that in ancient times the passers-by, or the | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
people coming in, would throw away their cigarette packets and so on. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
You can imagine them throwing away their rubbish or sticking up things | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
that they wanted to attract the attention of others. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
I put my principal diggers on to the entrance. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
We carved into it - I shall never forget this - it was a deep, great, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
deep ditch ending at a causeway, ending abruptly at a causeway. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
It was carved past the...in the rock. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
It had been filled since ancient times by marsh, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
by liquid mud, a pool. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
And I shan't forget sitting there and watching my foreman, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
an expert foreman of mine who'd been with me for many years in this | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
country, digging there, and suddenly stopping with his pick in midair. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:54 | |
He was about to bring it down and he stopped. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
And looking over his shoulder, there was a sword, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
a full-length sword in its scabbard, lying in the mud, intact. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:08 | |
A Celtic sword in a sheath - not of metal as they ordinarily are, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:14 | |
but in a sheath of wood. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
And when you say Celtic sword, Celtic to me | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
suggests wild Scotsman with kilts and hairy knees coming | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
tearing down from the Highlands and invading England. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Celtic is a word, now, which suggests northern, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
but how are you using the term? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
I'm using it in a wider sense. Are you a Celt? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
No, I'm an Icelander, sir. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
Icelander. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
We have 40% Celtic blood in us. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
Yes. I knew you were tainted. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Well, immediately I did two things. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
I sent for my assistant director, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
and got her to go to the village to instruct the local carpenter | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
to make an oblong box, a sort of little coffin box, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
which would take the sword | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
when I lifted it. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Secondly, I made a tracing of the outline of the sword in case | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
anything should happen to it, while it still lay in the mud | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
before we touched it. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
And then finally, the little box arrived in about half an hour, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
done very quickly. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
The village carpenter brought the box along, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
and the foreman and I lifted, very carefully, this wooden sword | 0:10:27 | 0:10:33 | |
scabbard, containing the iron sword, up in our hands | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
and laid it gently, very gently indeed, into the box, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
still covered with its mud and bolstered with wet moss | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
and so on to keep it wet in transit. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
I rang up the British Museum laboratory in London and said, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
asked the chief man there, Dr Plenderleith, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
very skilful chemist, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
to be good enough to wait until my messenger had arrived. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
I sent my assistant up with this box, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
wrapped up exactly as it was found | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
in the next train. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
She arrived that evening with the box | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
and as the chemist, Dr Plenderleith, told me afterwards, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
and actually he has written, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
the preservation of this remarkable relic was due entirely to the fact, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
of course, that we took those precautions, that we | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
had prevented the wood from drying and splitting as it would have done. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
Now why did you find this sword so remarkable? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
It's in the British Museum now. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
It has a pride of place there, but there are surely | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
lots of swords 2,000 years old and older than 2,000 years. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
Why were you so excited when you found it? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
I'll tell you. For two reasons. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
-First... Excited is not the word I use. -Why not? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
I'm never excited. I don't believe... No scientist is ever excited. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
Don't use the word. It's a terrible word...Mag! | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
But the point is that it was of interest for two reasons. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:11 | |
First of all, so far as I know, it's the only wooden scabbard of its | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
kind found in this country, or found, so far as I know, anywhere else, too. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:22 | |
Wood doesn't last in most European soils. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
This had been preserved by the accident of its having fallen | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
originally, or been thrown originally, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
into this great heap of wet mud | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
which had kept it airtight for 19 centuries. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
Secondly, I'll tell you. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Close alongside this scabbard, there lay a human skull, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:47 | |
which had been severed from the body - the body was not there, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
there were no signs of the body - | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
about the third or fourth cervical vertebra. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
And prior to that, the owner of the skull had been killed by being | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
struck violently with a sword or an axe, probably a sword, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
three times upon his skull, across the eyes and the forehead | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
and a slice off the top of his skull. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
He'd been executed and beheaded | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
and his head had been strung up there on a pole at the gate | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
in accordance with ancient Celtic custom. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
Many tribes, many ancient tribes used to do that sort of thing | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
to their foes or to their victims. Well, it went on here | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
in London till the 18th century when heads were exposed on Temple Bar. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:43 | |
Same sort of thing. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Another, an older and a more brutal age. Well, there it was. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
We had a picture of the whole thing. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
This post, standing up beside the gate | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
when everybody could see it with the skull of the executed man | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
on the top of it | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
and the sword hanging down from it | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
in token of the dead man's rank | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
And origin. It's a remarkable thing. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
There it is in the British Museum. You can go and see it. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
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