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Choreography is a combination of things. Musical interpretation - | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
if there's something in the music, maybe a drum roll or something, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:35 | |
you try to relate the choreography to that. Or maybe there's a build up and they'll do a standing spin. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:41 | |
It encourages the audience to applaud. Touch the audience - that's what it's about. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
Your job is to touch the audience. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
-Dynamics - quicks and slows, highs and lows. -Yes. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
These all go towards making great choreography. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
And also I imagine it's about, "Oh, they're good with their hands." Real strengths and weaknesses. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
-"That will highlight my partner." -Right. Day one - you scan your celebrity. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:10 | |
With Mark Ramprakash I just said, "Stand on one leg, spin around." | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
Ker-ching! He did it! "Everything I choreograph now, he's spinning!" | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
Let's talk about Ali and Brian's rumba. Talk to me from a choreography point of view. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:26 | |
The step I've chosen here is a step we see in our field very often. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
It's great. She elevates now. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
-See the toe on the floor? -Yeah. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
It would have taken a split second to come a centimetre off the floor, Len would class that as a lift, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:43 | |
they would have lost points. What I was so amazed by was they've already got such a trust. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:49 | |
There's such control in her body that she kept that toe on the floor. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
Not only that. She then devlappes right the way across Brian and they keep great balance. | 0:01:54 | 0:02:00 | |
And again...spin. Spin is really important in dance. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
It creates a dynamic. Then leaning across into a low-level position. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
-You said this was really clever. Why? -This two were slated, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:16 | |
but look at that step there. Very clever. Joe took her full weight. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
She's on her side. If he even slightly falls, they're both on the floor together, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:28 | |
if he'd got that even slightly wrong. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
-He's got to take full weight in his arms and she'll ballet walk. Very difficult. -Let's have a slo-mo | 0:02:30 | 0:02:36 | |
so that you can totally explain. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
-That's him just being strong? -He's got to collect her there. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
She's only on her little toes as she's going round. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
He has to take full weight. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
Let's talk about Chris and Ola's tango, which I love. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
-What was great about this? The music was brilliant - ZZ Top. -Great. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
I love their relationship. Kick, ball, change. And this bit. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Drop, up. This is the dynamics I'm talking about. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Generally in a tango, people just plod across the floor. Boring. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
Dynamics. Highs and lows. Kick, ball, change is a very quick action. Quicks and slows. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
Very quick action. Then a high point, dropping down and up again makes an effect. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:25 | |
I never heard the word choreography until I came from the west coast to New York, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
that big city. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
And then I realised it wasn't just a matter of making up dances, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
it was comparable to the composing of music, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
only instead of using sound, you use the human body | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
and you use space as a very definite and... necessary factor. | 0:03:53 | 0:04:00 | |
Martha Graham is as fundamental to modern dance as point shoes are to ballet. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
As young dancers, we all study her technique. She devised a new language for movement | 0:04:09 | 0:04:16 | |
and used it to create works that changed the face of dance forever. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
Contract. Beautiful. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
She's compared to Picasso, Stravinsky, Einstein and Freud. What is it? What did she discover? | 0:04:25 | 0:04:32 | |
She'd say, "I didn't discover anything. I rediscovered what the body can do." | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
She took the natural movement of the body | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
and theatricalised it. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Martha came along and said things like, "Imagine you have an eye in the middle of your forehead | 0:04:45 | 0:04:51 | |
"or ears pricked like animals. And imagine if you contract | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
"and then release, it should be as if you could break a rock with your chest." | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
PIANO ACCOMPANIMENT | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Martha was struggling with the idea of the individual, in society and as an artist, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
and in coming to grips with how to define herself and her way of moving that was her. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:27 | |
She was looking for the profoundly human that she could touch and that she could describe. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:34 | |
The physical language which began quite simply | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
with the idea of trying to find a basic body language | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
and not interested in the foot-busy language of ballet or anything decorative, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
but feeling that the torso was the seat of emotional responses. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
She developed a vocabulary of movement that was based on a centre in the pelvis, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:06 | |
movement that originated in the solar plexus and moved out to the limbs. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:13 | |
And one...two... | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
A technique built on a breath phrase. You think of the inhalation and exhalation of the body | 0:06:16 | 0:06:22 | |
and then she built that into the musculature contracting, releasing and expanding. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:28 | |
And one... Great. Inside the body. Deeper. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
Press up into the arc. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
Contract. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
She wanted to create a form that was not like European dance, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
that was American in something about its energy, its freshness, its power. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:51 | |
She commissioned her contemporaries, Aaron Copland and Samuel Barber, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
and Chavez, and the great composers who, in retrospect we say were the geniuses of the 20th century, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:08 | |
but at the time they were all young, starving artists together. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
Appalachian Spring is a triumph of American creative talent - | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Martha's choreography, music by Copland and design by Isamu Noguchi | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
created a landmark work in a new art form - modern dance. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
In this film, Martha, aged 64, gives a moving performance in the role of the young frontier bride. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:32 | |
Most importantly, Martha wanted to create dances so that she could perform. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:05 | |
She didn't sit down to think about creating a technique. It all came out of the work that she choreographed. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:13 | |
As her vocabulary developed, the body was full of contradictions and emotional upheaval. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:25 | |
It was a body language that became very suited to the subject matter | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
of...of heroines | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
in...in mental torment. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
I think she wanted to deal with subjects that were timeless and that everybody could relate to | 0:08:53 | 0:09:00 | |
however disguised they were as myth. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
That these feelings of jealousy and rage and complexities of emotion were visible to everyone. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:08 | |
We've asked two very distinctive choreographers - Wayne McGregor and David Bintley - | 0:09:23 | 0:09:30 | |
to give us an insight into their working methods and the modern language of dance. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
David, who's Artistic Director of Birmingham Royal Ballet, developed out of the classical tradition, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:46 | |
drawing inspiration from the techniques of ballet. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Wayne's work could hardly be more of a contrast. His choreography grows out of his own body | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
and the way it moves - angular, disjointed, fluid and fierce. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
We've set them a challenge to create a brand new dance. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
I've given them as a starting point the first preserved example of the written alphabet, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
etched onto an Athenian wine jug in about 740BC. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
It says, "Whoever of all the dancers performs most nimbly shall win this jug as a prize." | 0:10:17 | 0:10:24 | |
And even more amazing that one of the first things ever written about was dance, the art with no words. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:31 | |
Wayne sets about the task in a surprisingly literal way. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
He's partnered me with Thomas Edur and wants to create a dance | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
inspired by the unusual shapes of the Greek letters. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
The elbow does a U. And your head does a U. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
So elbow, head. 'I started in a simple way today. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
'I've taken that text and looked at it as geometry, as graphic information.' | 0:10:53 | 0:10:59 | |
Are you doing any of this? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Yes. I'd done this one. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
-You have. Yeah, yeah, you have. -You just go like this. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
I try not to do things that are predictable in movement. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
That's not a conscious decision. It's the way it comes out. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
I'm very interested in how you can actually reinvent physicality, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
so it doesn't follow its natural point of conclusion or end route. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
I'm trying to find a way of moving that's always in dislocation, fighting with itself. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:31 | |
I like the tension and conflict. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
An elbow is the top of the circle, the top of the 8 there. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
Then I change my mind and do another one, come out and describe straight away a circle. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:46 | |
Got my zig-zag. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
I really try and move with the body so they're pushed to their physical limits. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:57 | |
There's something exciting about extremity. If you push the body beyond its normal capacity, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:04 | |
again it tells you something, teaches you something about physicality | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
that you've not seen before. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
People like to go to the theatre to see things that are unusual, that take them somewhere. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
Hopefully, what my work does and what the physical language does | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
is take people to a different place that they've not experienced before. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
David's initial inspiration for the duet came from one particular piece of music | 0:12:27 | 0:12:33 | |
-which he has wanted to choreograph for years. -'The first thing that came to my mind, really, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:39 | |
'was an idea that had been lurking for a while. Satie's Gymnopedies.' | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
And I once heard that Gymnopedies, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
as Satie intended it to be, was... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
..Greek wrestling. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
I always thought it would be fun to do this very famous piece and do it as Greek wrestling. | 0:12:54 | 0:13:01 | |
And then I started thinking about Deborah and Alessandro, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:07 | |
and what that would mean as a metaphor. Obviously, I just didn't want to choreograph wrestling. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:14 | |
And then I got this other idea that sex was quite important to the Greeks. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
So there's a whole lot of stuff that I came with about male/female relationships. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:25 | |
I want it to have all these elements in. I want it to look like a dance at some point. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
At some point I want it to look like wrestling, at other times like love-making. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
I never want to lose this archaic kind of sculptural quality. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
'It doesn't have a discernible shape. There are peaks, there are troughs. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
'It has moments of flurries and then moments where it calms down. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
'I think that's the same with an argument, the same with a fight.' | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Good. OK, so... then just show me...how you're preparing for that first move. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:57 | |
Siobhan Davies is one of Britain's leading choreographers of modern dance. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
The works she's created have won a clutch of prestigious awards. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
The one thing a dancer has is this. That's it. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
And whatever history of experience you have within this. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
When you first started playing around with your own choreography, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
do you think you were simply doing that thing of merely elaborating on ways you like to move yourself? | 0:21:18 | 0:21:26 | |
Were you just making movement that sat naturally on your body, that was about who you were | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
-and what you wanted to be like? -I don't think I was aware of it at the time, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
but if I think about the early pieces, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
they all tried to use movement I hadn't done before. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
There was a piece I made called Sphinx. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
And I was normally in the pieces because I thought that would be a way of exploring movement anyhow. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:58 | |
It would also mean that I could go into a little corner of the studio | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
while other people were working. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
And I remember thinking about Sphinx. What is it that I can get to move | 0:22:05 | 0:22:11 | |
that will totally change the vocabulary? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
And I thought of animals | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
and I went on all fours. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
And the moment you go on all fours, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
your spine, chest, stomach, how your legs sit into your hips, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
and how your arms come out of your shoulders | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
is enormously different. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
So in a very innocent way I tried to explore all of those things | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
and then tilt the body back up and stand, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
but try to keep that image, that knowledge about the spine, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
how the arms and legs hang from the body, how the stomach is different, how the tailbone feels different. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:57 | |
And see if I could imprint that back through movement. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
The dances that you create have no narrative and no programme. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
What is it they are saying to us? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
They're not saying, in that sense, anything. We are presenting...movement. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
In various ways, different kinds of movement. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
To which anyone can look if they're interested and can bring | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
whatever kind of attention or thing to that that each individual thinks, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
rather than it being my telling them how to think. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
-So we are free to read meaning in them if we choose? -Exactly. Oh, yes. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
But is there any meaning in them that you've imparted to them? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Nothing, I would say, other than the meaning of movement itself, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
what movement is in life, in anybody's life. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
-Nothing of you yourself? -Yes, since I make the movement, then it's me. That I would agree to. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:19 | |
But it's also that in giving it to the dancers, to the dancers in my company, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:25 | |
I want them... I want the movement to be the way they would do it, individually, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
rather than just something I have given to them. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
Your dances are not choreographed to music. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
The music habitually arrives when the choreography is completed. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
Why is that? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
Well, there are probably a number of reasons, but the principal point about it is | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
to allow an independence of the elements involved, in this case the dance and the music, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:59 | |
so that the music does not have to support the dance, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
nor does the dance have to reflect the music. But each can be what it is in this circumstance | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
and the circumstance is that they both take place in the same time and place. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
They lend something to each other in that time and space? | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
I think so. I hope so! I think that between the two they can produce something else, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:24 | |
something that I myself wouldn't have thought of, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
nor if the music had been made for the dance, it would not have come out this way, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
so in that way we make a discovery. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
Have you a pretty good idea, though, what the music is going to be like before the performance of it? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:44 | |
No, not necessarily. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
Sometimes the particular composer will tell me something | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
and I'm always willing to listen. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
If the composer wants to see the dance, that's fine, too. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
But more often than not, I don't know the exact nature of the sound | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
except there is, I think, between the composer and myself, I trust, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
a sense of good faith that we will, in that way, come out with something that is interesting. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:13 | |
Within the total structures that you create, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
you sometimes leave the arrangement of sequences entirely to chance, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
tossing a coin to decide who does what next. What's the reason for that procedure? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
It is an idea that comes... Well, actually, it's an idea that comes from many things, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:33 | |
but perhaps principally the I Ching, the Chinese Book of Changes, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
where you can cast your fortune or ask a question | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
and what you get is an answer that is suitable, so to speak, for that moment in time and space. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:48 | |
Well, I thought that dancing occurs in time and space | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
and it would be interesting to see rather than my making the decision as to what follows what | 0:27:52 | 0:27:59 | |
but by using the I Ching in terms of continuity to discover something else, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
that is that you could see that there could be a different result from moment to moment, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:11 | |
rather than something that one had set up in advance. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
In that sense, it's like process, it's like continuing. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
For you, you've said that dance is always about dance and nothing else. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:25 | |
How did you arrive at this simple determining idea? | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
Well, I think dancing is, to put it from my point of view, movement in time and space. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:36 | |
I don't think it needs anything else. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
That is, we don't need necessarily music to walk about. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
We do that just by the nature of that being the way we operate and move. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
And I also think that... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
I thought that movement doesn't have to have a meaning. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
I understand it can convey things, but you have to set up something ahead of time to let someone know | 0:28:57 | 0:29:04 | |
that that's what it's conveying. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
In my case, I wanted it to be a surprise. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
So rather than it meaning something, it could be what it was as you saw it as it continues to go along. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:17 | |
MUSIC: "The Nutcracker" by Tchaikovsky | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
If you like theatre, if you like the movies, then you'll probably like this work. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:34 | |
You'll probably enjoy it and you'll realise after a while | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
that you can get it | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
and it doesn't matter that some people haven't spoken for the last 20 minutes or whatever it is | 0:29:40 | 0:29:46 | |
and you realise, "They haven't said anything, but I'm following a story." | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
And it's set in a world that people understand. It looks like a play. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
It hasn't got tutus or it hasn't got dance-friendly costumes necessarily. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
They're adapted or whatever. It looks like the real world. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
And the performers look like real people. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
I've learnt over the years | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
to try and find something in people that I think I can bring out | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
and develop into people eventually who can give great acting performances through their dancing. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:25 | |
Don't go near her. Let her prise you together... | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
'I do get a lot from that. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
'But I do love the work and I love being part of a family that creates work.' | 0:30:32 | 0:30:37 | |
I think the shoulders was better. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Matthew's very, very specific and very clear about the images | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
and the idea and the characters | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
which frees you up so much when you're improvising material | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
because you've got a very clear framework to work in. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
Matthew's good at eliciting the right kind of material from people | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
because he gives information and he'll bring in books and films and videos and magazines and photos, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:05 | |
so you've got a feel for the world that he's trying to create. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
I think most choreographers would say that their reason for being a choreographer is movement. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:16 | |
Movement invention. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
And most choreographers' work is about that. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
It's an excuse for movement invention. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
Even sometimes if they are telling us a story of sorts, it's just something to hang the movement on. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:30 | |
Movement always lends itself to where the story is going. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
That's what's important. Not what the movement looks like. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
It's whether or not the movement is telling a story. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
And I suppose that's what makes him different. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
The second half takes us to...the Kingdom of the Sweets it's usually called - we call it Sweetie Land - | 0:31:49 | 0:31:55 | |
where you meet all these characters that are based on various confectionery, I suppose. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
You've got the Liquorice Allsort people, Marshmallow Girls, sort of yobby Gobstopper Boys. Very sticky. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:07 | |
We decided people in Sweetie Land are judged by how they taste, rather than how they look, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
so when you meet someone, you have a taste of them. You wipe a bit off and have a little lick. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:18 | |
I'm not from the ballet world. I wasn't trained as a ballet dancer. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
I love watching ballet, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
but I don't choreograph in the classical style. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
But certain passages of music in this piece are very grand | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
and you have to come up with a kind of grandeur which I get a little bit from ballet | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
and a little bit from Hollywood musicals, the Cyd Charisse kind of thing. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
I do always approach these projects completely seriously and serious-minded. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:59 | |
I have to have the heart of the piece central to my idea to begin with | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and then the humour and the satire and the wit creeps in. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
But the central reason for doing it is always something very heart-felt. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
That's why I think, ultimately, people really do like the pieces | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
because they're not just throw-away. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
There is something at the heart of it which moves you as well usually. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
Really go over that leg. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Jan is peeling away too early. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Created in 1981, Ghost Dances has proved to be one of Christopher Bruce's most enduring | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
and popular works. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
In dealing with the victims of political oppression, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
it demonstrates once again his sensitivity to the human condition. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Ghost Dances was created after meeting with Joan Jara, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
the widow of Victor Jara who was a very famous Chilean actor, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:24 | |
theatre director, songwriter, singer, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
all-round performer. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
He was murdered in '73 | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
when Allende was deposed and killed and Pinochet took power. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
I wanted to do it very, very simply | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
and I didn't want to, in a sense, make grand statements. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
I wanted it to be about all the little people that are caught up in that terror. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:51 | |
And I chose to use a very simple image of a ghost dancer. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
For me, they were just spirits of death that took the people away. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
And I used the idea of skeletal figures | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
because of those wonderful, simple, naive skeletons | 0:35:06 | 0:35:12 | |
that they have in Central and Southern America | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
where the old religions mix with Catholicism. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:22 | |
You have these skeletons on stalls, people buy and... | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
It's a kind of, as I said, a very naive and simple image. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:32 | |
I just decided this would be the image. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
Yeah, so that it goes "drop, two, three, four, round". | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
That's it. Otherwise, your spacing goes. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
So the idea was these people would come into the space, just rest for a moment | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
before passing into the underworld for a moment of reflection before going on where... | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
..a fragment of a life is just told. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
A simple song, a simple dance, and maybe the cutting off of that life. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
And don't be afraid to keep moving | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
because the more you move on to that leg, it's easier to get back. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
GENTLE PANPIPE MUSIC | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
I worked with Chisato last year when we began developing this piece. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
So it was this kind of a crash course for me in sign language | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
and in us communicating together, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
so I guess it has an impact on the choreography | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
because there are certain things you take for granted as a hearing dancer. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
When we were working together, we couldn't be dancing, then we speak and then Chisato responds to me, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
so we'd have to stop and take time to explain what we were talking about, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
rather than being able to do all of those things at the same time. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
WHISPERING, HIGH-PITCHED SOUNDS | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
WHISPERING, HIGH-PITCHED SOUNDS | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
Here's how In The Upper Room began. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
I'm working in a London studio in 1985, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
just beginning to isolate a family of movement. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
While ultimately none of this work will be performed barefoot, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
I work without shoes in order to establish a new connection to the floor, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
something which can be unique to In The Upper Room. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
I begin to find a motif. I strike the floor, catch the foot and pull it far behind me. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
The image in my mind is a hunter pulling his bow. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
When I release, the momentum of the leg falling throws me off balance. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
I must recover. This action of recovering will go on throughout the entire dance. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:56 | |
I transfer this motif to other dancers, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
in this case, Christine Uchida and Shelley Washington of the original cast. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:04 | |
At this point, individual dancers add to the mix | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
with their own responses to my movements. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
For instance, Jamie Bishton, the only member of the original cast still performing In The Upper Room. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:20 | |
Jamie was a gymnast and from his early athletic training, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
he gained a brave attack and a big jump. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
And these talents enrich the choreography for us all. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
As the dancing takes form, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
I begin to have a sense of the music I will need to support it. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:44 | |
In a way, it's almost as though I can visualise the music before I hear it. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:50 | |
I have been improvising to Philip Glass's music for more than 15 years | 0:45:51 | 0:45:56 | |
and now I know this is what I need. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
There is something about Phil's music, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
the way it's constantly unwinding from itself, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
constantly evolving, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
as though it's skeining endlessly. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
So I call Phil | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
and I ask him to compose a score. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
Now, Philip Glass is always very busy, probably booked for years, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
but I say, "Look, Phil, just a little music after breakfast every day." | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
I know Phil is very fast and I know that I understand his music well enough | 0:46:25 | 0:46:31 | |
to take whatever he can give me and make it work. He agrees. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
Then I begin to structure the movement. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
That London improvisation session becomes the starting point for the first of nine movements. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:45 | |
I introduce two women, one beginning the phrase on the left leg, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
and one on the right. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
These dancers I see as custodians of the space | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
like Chinese watchdogs. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
And by starting both sides of the phrase simultaneously, but on opposite sides, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
the phrase will define an arena for the dance to come. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
Now the men enter with the second phrase. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
They dance this in a triangular formation, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
the downstage man inverting the phrase, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
so that the same movement is seen moving both forwards and backwards. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
As the men and women perform the two phrases together, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
you see forward and back, right and left, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
circular and vertical, male and female, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
thus making it clear that In The Upper Room is about opposing forces held in balance - | 0:47:37 | 0:47:44 | |
old and new, modern and classical. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
One last thing about the title. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
Philip Glass and I had talked many years ago | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
about collaborating on a Mass, but this never came to pass, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
so now, as Phil was working on this score, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
I was also listening to a Mahalia Jackson recording of a hymn | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
that modulated relentlessly upwards, | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
that seemed to climb so high, it pushed through the roof. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:15 | |
This image of an empty attic, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
a place of last resort, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
where one takes out one's treasures and puts them up for very special public view, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
this image along with the Jackson hymn gave me the feeling of a secular Mass | 0:48:25 | 0:48:31 | |
and so I suggested to Phil, and he agreed, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
that we use the title of this hymn for our work, In The Upper Room. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:40 | |
One of my aims as a choreographer is to try and help the audience's eye | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
in watching a piece of complex structure, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
but it will be interesting in this piece to see how I might have a full visual field | 0:48:57 | 0:49:03 | |
in which the audience have to do some of that selection. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
Maybe everything on stage isn't seen all the time, you have an almost accidental way of watching. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:13 | |
That's our experience all the time. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
Our visual field is very full and we give attention to certain things and edit out the rest. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:21 | |
For this ground-breaking piece, McGregor chose an A-list of collaborators, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
headed by Brit artist Julian Opie and cult composer Max Richter. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:31 | |
Opie's animations were created by observing a series of figures walking on a treadmill | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
at his studio in London's East End. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
I spend a lot of time looking at people and how they move | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
and looking at street scenery as if it were choreographed. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
I like that idea that nature and natural things out there, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
if you focus yourself, you become in a certain sense a kind of passive choreographer. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:57 | |
You listen to birds singing and think this is symphony, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
then you hear a car horn and a church bell and put them together in your mind, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
so it is creating music out of these things. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
You can do the same looking at people on the street - cue someone with a suitcase from the right, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:14 | |
so seeing Wayne who can play with that and make something focused and beautiful out of that is exciting. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:21 | |
This is the first time that Wayne and members of the Royal Opera House production team get a glimpse | 0:50:25 | 0:50:31 | |
of the screens that Julian's been preparing. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
It's really vivid, isn't it? | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
I think we'll probably go for the reverse of that | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
-where the figure is drawn with lights and the rest is black. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
OK, shall we just try something? I don't know what. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
Let's just see what happens. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
Can you come from a parallel and can you come into it just like this? | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
Like that. That's it. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
First day of rehearsals, eight weeks before opening night, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
and Wayne starts making material for his new work. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
He has the pick of the Royal Ballet's finest performers. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
And back. Can you come this way? | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
Yeah, exactly, just a little moment, so you just go... | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
It's Day One. It's the beginning. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
What I tend to do is have my first few weeks just getting to know the dancers. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
The point of making a piece is to find something out | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
that's new for me about those dancers. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
There's no point in doing the same old, same old. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
I'm not that familiar with Ed and Marianela dancing together. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
I know Ed well, but I've only made one little thing for Marianela, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
so this week will be about finding physical signatures of the dancers. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
But I like to be in a state of preparedness in the studio, ready to start, but not to be too fixed. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:59 | |
My book is empty and over the next six weeks, I'll start to fill that up. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
One of the brilliant things about being a choreographer | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
is when you're faced with two brilliant dancers you have to invent something to do. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
It's not something you can do at home, on computer or you can imagine in the car. It only happens there. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:18 | |
If you can be free enough to experience it in the moment, it can release something new in you. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:24 | |
I like to try and make at least two, three minutes of material a day, even if I get rid of most of it. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:33 | |
I like to push myself to do it. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
I don't rehearse things. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
It might be a phrase that exists in a piece, but these dancers may not do it, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:44 | |
so I'm not rehearsing, I'm making. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
Next week, I should have a bank of material that will take me into the week afterwards. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:52 | |
So it's just, first of all, trying to get some basic language that we can start to find together, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:58 | |
what combinations of people will work together. That gives you structure. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:03 | |
That was a really lovely thing there when you did that last position. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
You fell and then came back. It's lovely. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
I'm trying to look for the maximum intensity and richness | 0:53:12 | 0:53:18 | |
with the fewest elements. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
The ensemble is going to be my usual band, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
which is a string quartet, but with an additional cello. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
And also the computer, various synthesisers, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
lots of bits and bobs. Toys, you might say. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
I've collected a lot of shortwave radio for this piece | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
which has a kind of story-telling quality | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
because there are a lot of voices in there, but you don't know whose they are, when or where they're from. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:53 | |
They just float around the ionosphere, so I've hoovered them up. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
And really what I'm doing is I'm sort of picking out little areas within that that I'm enjoying hearing | 0:53:57 | 0:54:04 | |
and trying to isolate those, trying to make some sort of musical gestures with them, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:09 | |
so I've got this sort of background radiation and the music is more like a foreground event | 0:54:09 | 0:54:15 | |
which sits on top of that. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
Usually, in ballet that's been made before and rehearsed, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
the stage call is the first time where they run everything, it's pretty much finished. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:34 | |
But with a new ballet, I won't be finished until four days before the premiere. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
I'll still change my mind all through next week, but that premiere deadline comes closer and closer. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:45 | |
He's picking material from lots of sections of this | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
and we have to learn, and he's reversing everything, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
so it looks different than the actual duet was before. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
It might be the same step, but he's developing those steps into something else | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
to make a finale with everybody. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
And he's trying to do everything like in a canon which is fantastic, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
but it's very complicated because next Tuesday, we're on stage. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
So we just hope for him to remember all the steps for next week. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:20 | |
MELODIC STRING MUSIC | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
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