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Small firms form the backbone of Britain. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
They turn over annually ?1,600 billion. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
If they fail... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
I can't do it any more. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
..Britain would be on its knees. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
Death is my exit plan. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
But these firms face big challenges. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
It's not easy. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
He's physically in pieces | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
and I don't know how long that could go on. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Almost a third of all small firms go bust within three years. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
If I fail, not only will the business go, the house will go. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
'I'm Alex Polizzi, a small business owner myself, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
'and I'm spending this year trying to find fixes for the critical | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
'issues that kill so many companies.' | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
He's not allowed to spend one more penny. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
'Home truths...' | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
I hate your shop window. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
You should not be in business. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
'..and tough times lie ahead.' | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
All I have heard about is you bitching and moaning. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
You're ripping my BLEEP heart out! | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
'If small businesses succeed...' | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
It's not just my business you've given me back, it's my confidence. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
'..then Britain can boom. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
'This time, trading with the big boys.' | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
We've had losses of between 10 and 20 grand a month. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
'Is it possible for small businesses...' | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Come on. A bit of enthusiasm here, you two! | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
'..to survive on the supermarket shelf?' | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
You should be thinking on your feet. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Oh, come on. We don't have long to prepare... | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Come on! | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
If it goes down, we all go down. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Today eight out of ten of our grocery purchases | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
are made through our supermarkets. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
That means their shelves are the place to be | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
for many of Britain's aspiring food producers. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
And I'm on my way to see one today. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
I love any business that produces food. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
I'm a food producer myself with the bakery. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
But this is a highly competitive market. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
COCK CROWS | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
'One such small business trying to compete is Yorkshire based Heck, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
'purveyors of quality sausages. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
'Owners Debbie and Andrew Keeble have a passion for crafting artisan bangers...' | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
I've got the pepper. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
Two grams of grated nutmeg. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
'..an obsession that has taken over their lives and home.' | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
We used to butcher pigs on here. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
There's a meat cleaver mark there, and there, where I missed. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
Aiming for me! | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
We started our first business with a ?15,000 loan, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
which we'd taken out to buy a car. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
But we decided there's no point having a car | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
if we can't afford to go anywhere. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
So we bought a sausage machine with it instead. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Launched in 1999, Debbie and Andrew's sausages | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
quickly became a bestselling brand, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
bagging them an annual turnover of over ?5 million. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
But when a merger took an unexpected turn, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
they ended up losing the business. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
It really was Debbie's baby, that brand. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
So it was a terrible wrench for Debbie. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
They'd devoted 12 years to a product they believed in. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
But now it was back to square one. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
We had to start again. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
And that is how Heck came about. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
It was one of those moments where you say, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
"What the heck, come on. We have to start again." | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
And that's why we called it Heck. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
They've just taken the biggest gamble of their lives, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
investing everything they had in a brand new sausage business. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
And it's no small chipolata, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
employing 11 staff and churning out 250,000 bangers a week. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
Is that working? Fingers crossed, yeah. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Fingers crossed. Don't you love the Russians? Fingers crossed, you know. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Their dream is simple... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:56 | |
Set it going. Set it going. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
..to get into bed with the big five supermarkets. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
And in just a few short months, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
this small player has already achieved a place on Tesco's shelves. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
Yeah, I love sausages. I love making sausages. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
This time they've roped in the kids. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
With little experience, they've all been handed senior titles. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
It is really good working with your parents. It's easy. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
I suppose people looking at us might think that we are well heeled. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
We do live in a very nice house, but it's not ours. We rent it. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
The farm is on rented land. The factory is rented. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
All of our assets are betrothed to the business. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Second time around, they cannot afford to fail again. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
There's an awful lot of pressure on us | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
because, you know, it's their future. It's not just ours. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
If it goes down, we all go down. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
Although they're in more than one supermarket, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
current sales are nowhere near enough. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
We'll do probably ?2.5 million this year, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
so we're hitting our numbers. But the profitability isn't there. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
We've had losses of between 10 and 20 grand a month. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
We've got a ?250,000 loan for sausage equipment. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
We're currently in overdraft of ?50,000. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
We've invested probably ?600,000 or ?700,000 | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
in building the brand, and working capital in... | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
I don't know where it goes. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
And the pressure is on. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:27 | |
Their place on the Tesco shelves, which accounts for 85% of sales, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
is up for review in just three months' time. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
We do have to start making some money pretty damn quick, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
and we've also got to get some more customers, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
because at the moment all our eggs are in one basket. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
And that's not a great position to be in really. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Stress is not my best friend but he's always with me. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
The potential for this small business is huge | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
but right now they're haemorrhaging cash. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
I've just 14 weeks to help turn a profit | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
and steer the dreams of a family legacy back on course. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
I've never been told what to do. I hate that. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
But if she... I'm, you know... We need help. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
I can't wait to get to Heck. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
It's a small company playing in a very competitive market | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and I'm looking forward to seeing how they fit in with the big boys. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
'I want to get to the meat of the business | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
'at Heck's bespoke new sausage factory.' | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
Hello, good morning. How are you? You well? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Very well, thank you. It's very nice to be here. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
It's great to have you, welcome. Thank you for inviting me. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Who are your customers? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
Our customers are Tesco's, which is fantastic | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
and they've backed us for the first year, which is great. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
It's interesting cos we've taken completely different strategies | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
in our businesses. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
We've been approached many times by supermarkets, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
but we've made a conscious decision not to get involved with them, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
just because we know how difficult it is to manage that relationship. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Yeah. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
'The top five supermarkets account for 70% of all sausage sales, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
'giving them immense power over their suppliers. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
'So Andrew's heavy reliance on them is a very risky strategy.' | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
So this is your best-selling product. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
It is, yes, the Heck 97. It's 97% shoulder pork. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
This makes you the least money of all your products, doesn't it? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
It's the highest meat content, yeah. Yeah, lowest margin. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
It's the lowest margin but it's a great driver. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
No, I understand that, darling, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
but we have to talk the business side of things because actually, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
you know, it's lovely to have a product to be so proud of, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
but the margins are much lower. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
'The product he's selling the most of is his 97%, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
'and that's the product that has the lowest margin.' | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
And one of the main problems his business is facing | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
is that it's not making any money. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Well, you know, it doesn't take a great genius to correlate | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
those two sides of the argument. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
Do you like leading on or what? | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
No, I'll follow you. I don't know where I'm going! | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
OK, should we go and have a little look and see where it all begins? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
They're all hand packed, then? Everything's hand packed, yeah. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
At the end of the day, on the shelf, they've got to look good. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
'The humble sausage is no longer seen as a budget option. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
'The industry is worth over ?700 million | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
'with premium brands accounting for over 30% of all sausage sales. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
'But producing such quality comes at a cost.' | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
And we're very proud of our bowl chopper. It's a Seydelmann, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
which if you're going to buy any machine in the world, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
that's the one everybody wants to have. I'll keep that in mind. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
It's a ?70,000 piece of equipment. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
Just to keep it going ready all the time I think, maybe. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Is that all right? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
Yeah, of course! Don't want people standing idle. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
We don't want that. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
So come through to the link cutter here, another nice | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
new bit of equipment. Very nice. Another expensive bit of equipment? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
It is a nice bit of equipment, yeah. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
'Andrew has borrowed big time to buy top-of-the-range Germany machinery. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
'but with their biggest seller delivering little return, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
'is this family putting passion for their sausages over profit?' | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
Hello, I'm Alex. Hi. Nice to meet you. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
If Alex goes to see Debbie, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
she'll definitely get an insight into the finances. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
You know, Debbie's no slouch on figures. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
So she's... She's a forensic accountant, is Debbie. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
This is where we get to talk turkey. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Apparently you are the business brains. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Do you think you're good at it? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
I'm the best in the family. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
That's skirting the issue, dear. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
So if you look on your profit and loss sheet, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
what are the things of most concern to you? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
It's sales. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
We're just in one supermarket chain on a national basis, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
and we need more to... | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
And I believe that contract is up for discussion, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
isn't it, fairly soon? It is, yes. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:47 | |
Obviously that's a nerve-racking moment. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
I'm assuming you have a good feeling about the fact | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
that they're going to renew. But if they don't, what will you do? | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
If we don't raise the awareness, and increase the rate of sale, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
then we probably won't be here next year. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
So let's say you've got another year, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
what would you have liked to achieve in that year? | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
What do you think, where do you think you could be? | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Where would you like to be? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
Well, personally, I'd like to be the number one premium brand. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
And I think it's achievable. OK. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Yeah, I think it's doable. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Jamie? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:33 | |
National, every supermarket in the country, it's definitely achievable. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
Ellie? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
Just to be well known for having a good quality sausage | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
that every family likes to have, and just... | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
It's very interesting, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
cos what none of you said was making this company profitable. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
It's all about reputation. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
It's all nice, fluffy, great ethos, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
wonderful belief in your product, pride. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
But, you know, businesses are successful | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
because they sort out the bottom line. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
We're in a very tough financial environment | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
and no-one's going to put out a helping hand, are they? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
No. So you have to help yourselves. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
We want to make money, we want to put all that debt behind us | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
and ensure we stay a family business in the future. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
I mean, the big headlines are that you have one customer, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
and if they disappear tomorrow you'd be in deep BLEEP. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
But it's worth remembering that Britain is a nation of small | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
and medium enterprises, and although the supermarkets | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
have 80% of the food trade, there is a lot of food suppliers | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
who are doing exactly what you do, and doing it successfully. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
So there's no reason you shouldn't be one of them. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Absolutely Yeah? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
'Now I've met the family and I can clearly see what they're up against. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
'Poor sales with dismal profits | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
'and all their money tied up in the business. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
'And, to top it all, their biggest customer Tesco could pull the plug | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
'on their contract in just 12 weeks' time.' | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
I have a lot to think about tonight. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
'I need to begin this process by seeing exactly how the customer | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
'perceives Heck on the supermarket shelf. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
'The supermarket has the potential to turn a small business | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
'into a multimillion pound heavyweight. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
'But with over 400 sausage varieties all fighting for your attention, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
'it's crucial that your brand stands out.' | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Good morning. How are you? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
I'm well, you? Good, hi. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
'So I've brought the family to York, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
'to one of around 500 Tesco stores currently stocking Heck sausages.' | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
My aim is to understand how their sausage packaging | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
and their product sits on the shelves alongside other products, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
why people buy them, and why they may choose not to, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
how effective their packaging is, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
and what they need to do to market themselves better. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
'To see how they compare to the competition, I've arranged to meet | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
'Amanda Peberdy, supermarket retail guru and brand advisor.' | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
First of all I'm interested in position on the shelf, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
and what it says about their brand, and what immediate competition is. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
The fixture's laid out in very much a good, better, best. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
So the more value products are at one side, these would be | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
classed as medium products going into the sort of more premium end. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Typically, products near the bottom are quite high volume. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
The lowest-selling lines tend to be at the top. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
And actually top left is sort of the coldest spot on the fixture. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
So here you do have a really, really good shelf position. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
They're really supporting your sales | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
by putting you in a position that is the best on the fixture. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
'But cheaper, own-label brands account for almost half | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
'of all grocery sales. And it's a figure on the up! | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
'So how does a small food brand stand out from the crowd?' | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
What do you think the Heck message says as you see it | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
there on the shelves? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
In all honesty, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
I don't think it's very easy to understand to the consumer. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
I think there's some key messages that are missing off the pack | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
in terms of what is your unique selling point, what is it that | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
you do differently, what makes your product more special than theirs. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Yeah. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
You're a small business, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
making it within the family with care, within your own homes. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
We're independent, absolutely. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Actually the key things that other big brands almost have | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
to sort of create, and you have it naturally. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
So that gives you strength because you have a difference to | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
a Tesco Finest product, and I don't think the brand at the moment | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
is probably shouting that strong enough. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
What do you think are the most important messages that | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
should jump out? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
Customers at the moment really like provenance. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
People are really, really interested in terms of where their foods | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
come from, how it's been made, where the ingredients are from. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
Through all these scandals, these food scandals that we keep having, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
that traceability is so key, isn't it? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
What we were trying to do is to say, well... | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
it all goes without saying. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
If they want to know more they can find out about it, but the quality | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
of the pack should portray that everything goes without saying. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
'Nothing goes without saying! | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
'Although the Keebles know their product inside out, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
'they can't assume the customer will.' | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
But apart from the Union Jack, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
it's not very clearly saying British pork. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
There's nothing wrong with actually saying you're a Yorkshire business. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Yorkshire Tea has travelled across the world. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
They've bought quite a lot of the packaging, to keep the costs down, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
and so I can't suggest to them that they do anything dramatic, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
but I'm wondering if the kind of sticker option or something, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
we could do something like that with provenance. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
Cos it's very, immediately visible again. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Yeah, it's quick as well. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
I think the challenge is that customers spend such a short amount | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
of time, people want to get in and out as quickly as possible, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
and there's typically 36,000 products for them to look at. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
So, therefore, a strong website and social media becomes more important. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Kids, you're very quiet. Come on, what do you think? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
What do you think of all these ideas? | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
I like everything you're saying, it's making complete sense to me. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
I honestly believe that the internet and publicity are part of this, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
cos what you want to be doing is driving people to your website. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
Suggesting different ways to... maybe you have new recipes up. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
But how much do people look at recipes online? | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
Oh, my God, darling! The world is... | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
No-one buys a cookery book any more, it's all blogs and, you know... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
If you want to appeal to the younger person, you've got to get with it. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Yeah. I'll have you in a pair of skinny jeans in no time! | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
You bloody won't! | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
'Andrews's reluctance to "get with it" is not their only worry. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
'Having sunk thousands of pounds into design and packaging, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
'Amanda's comments are hitting hard.' | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
I think if I had to take one thought back from today, it's the message. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
Our own message, our brand message, really. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
It's not standing out enough. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
I thought people would look at the pack and say, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
"Heck, that sounds interesting," | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
turn it over, read about it and then understand why Heck, but, erm... | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
But this hasn't done that. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
So it's been a bit of a failure on that front. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Hasn't it? | 0:17:26 | 0:17:27 | |
We're in against some real big competitors with deep pockets. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
So, yeah, it's not easy. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
Amanda identified a few weaknesses in your branding. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
Now we all know that we are not going to chuck out the old | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
packaging, but I'd like you to look at samples of stickers that | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
you might put on, how you might improve the information | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
about the provenance as she said. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
You are the very opposite to a corporate, faceless entity, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
and we've got to make sure at every stage that point is hammered home. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
And I think you're not doing it well enough at the moment, and so | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
these are just the first small steps, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
but I'm very keen to take them. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
'The supermarkets have huge buying power over their suppliers, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
'enabling them to dictate the price they pay. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
'In 2012, hundreds of farmers blockaded milk plants across the UK, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
'arguing that they are paid less than the cost of production | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
'for their milk. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
'Heck's current best seller accounts for more than three quarters | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
'of sales, but it only returns a tiny 3% profit. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
'Because they can't increase their sale price to the supermarkets, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
'their only option is to lower production costs | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
'to increase margins. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
'And I've found out their seasoning amounts to ?200,000 a year.' | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
I want them to see if they can produce a similar or identical | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
seasoning to the one they're currently buying in | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
at enormous expense, to see if they can cut down their costs. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
What other ingredients are we looking for, for the Heck 97, then? | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
So we believe... Ginger. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Salt and Pepper. And nutmeg. Ginger. Nutmeg. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
And then if we can cut it in half, and put a little bit of cream | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
with one of them. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
Ooh, my word! BLEEP! I was going to take a bit out. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Don't put it back in there cos...please. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
This is how most product development starts in our house. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
On the kitchen table... | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
where tempers fray quite a lot | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
cos we've all got different opinions on it, and usually I think I'm right. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
I'm saying nothing. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Is he always right, Ellie? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:34 | |
No. I am! | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
No, you're not. What? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
BLEEP! | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
The world according to Andrew Keeble. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Yeah, and I'm not wrong. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
So, salt. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
'Each of their sausages contains 1p worth of seasoning. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
'So by just saving an ounce here, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
'or substituting an ingredient there, they could save thousands.' | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
What we currently have is a pre-weighed pre-mix. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
Everything's in here - preservatives, salt, pepper. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
It makes it very easy for us. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
'But it's convenience at a cost.' | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
That bag right there is 6.65 a kilo. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
Salt is 12p a kilo. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Four hours and two new mixes later, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
they think they've made something as good as the original. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I think it's nice. Really, really nice. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Most importantly, is there a potential saving? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
8.7% percent is ginger. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
This would be ?1.03 a kilo. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
Compared to 6.60. 6.65. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
When I looked at the overall annualised saving of it, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
it was like a train hitting me, really. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
We're going to save ?170,000 a year. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
It's absolutely incredible. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
It's the profit that we're lacking in the business at the moment. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
'It's a good start, but will the supermarket buyers think | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
'it's good enough for their shelves? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
'To put it to the test I've arranged privileged access to one of | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
'the country's hi-tech food development kitchens - | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
'Morrison's HQ in Bradford, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
'where their experts will scrutinise the seasoning for us.' | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
There's about 2,000 people who work here, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
and in their product development kitchen, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
they test 6,000 independent products | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and between 7,000 and 10,000 Morrison own-label products. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
So they're busy. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
'Morrisons is the second biggest fresh food manufacturer in the UK. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
'Every single item of food bought by their 11 million customers | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
'each week has passed a rigorous taste test | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
'by one of their skilled chefs.' | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
Neil. How are you doing, Alex? Very nice to meet you, thank you. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
'Neil Nugent is the Executive Chef of Product Development.' | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
What kind of scrutiny do you put products through, then? | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
There's no stone unturned. We look at absolutely everything. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
So from the sausage, its meat content, what type of meat, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
is it shoulder, is it belly, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
the seasonings. Everything is key, the skins. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Everything is absolutely key. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Hi, these are the Keebles. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Hi, nice to meet you. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
'I've also invited Tony Goodger from the British Pig Executive, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
'who's been judging sausages for 12 years.' | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
I've sampled about 5,500 | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
and some have been fantastic and some keep me awake at night. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
They're terrible. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
But before the taste test, their raw porkers get the once-over. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
So what we do is we start with the raw sausage and we look | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
and see is it an even size, is it of a nice consistent colour? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
And then see if they're fresh. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
And ideally, they shouldn't actually smell of anything. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
These actually don't smell of anything, so they're nice and fresh. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
I think it is worth pointing out that the more meat in a sausage | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
doesn't necessarily make it a better sausage. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
What, taste-wise you mean? Yeah, and texture. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Because it is good to get a balance of your fat content | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
and your seasonings, so you get a good moist sausage. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
Often if you go too much meat, you can get quite dry. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
So are you nervous about 97%? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
Over to you guys, see what you think. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I don't want to influence you one way or the other, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
we're here for advice. Proof is in the tasting, isn't it? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Absolutely. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
'So it's taste test time. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
'Ready to be compared and contrasted is Heck's current sausage | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
'with the family's two new seasoned varieties.' | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
It's a good firm sausage when you cut into it. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
And it's got a really good depth of flavour. Really meaty. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
That's a nice rounded seasoning. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
The notes sort of continue in your mouth after you've finished | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
swallowing the product, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
so it gives you that sort of longevity of flavour. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Little salty for me. A bit too salty? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
You have to have a bit of salt in there | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
because salt is a preservative as well, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
and it is important that we don't just take all the salt out | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
of the product, because otherwise we're sacrificing shelf life. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
The spices are starting to come through. A nice finish of pepper. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
It's not masked out by excessive seasoning. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
I think what you've got is a complementary seasoning | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
that just lifts the flavour of the pig meat. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
'The moment of truth. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
'If either of the new seasonings are the taste of success, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
'Heck could be seriously quids in.' | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Go on. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
I'm definitely this one. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
'They've both plumped for the new cheaper seasoning | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
'at just ?1.28 a kilo!' | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
The seasoning. That's your man. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Yeah, it's definitely got the taste. That's really good. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Oh, good! Thank you very much. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Well, I was very worried that this might go horribly wrong, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
and you might prefer the original! | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
Potentially, could be 150 grand a year saving. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
We've have never made 150 grand... ever. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
?150,000 saving and a better sausage. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Yes! It's brilliant. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Gosh. Thrilled. Win-win. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
I know! You're thrilled? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Next project! | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
It came out surprisingly well for us, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
and it was as we'd hoped, really, so... | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
I'd say it was a success. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
Yeah, seasoning tick, definitely. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
'This is a massive breakthrough. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
'But Heck still desperately need more sales.' | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
Captain! Captain Mainwaring. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
Yeah, I'll go down the side and close them. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
'In case their supermarket strategy goes belly up, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
'I think the family need a backup plan | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
'and should look at alternative customers like the catering sector.' | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
Gently, gently. Gently with those lights. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
'To break into new markets, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:34 | |
'an excellent Sales and Marketing team is essential, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
'and this role has been handed to Jamie, with Ellie's assistance.' | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
It's great having my parents as a boss, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
cos I can sometimes tell them to F off. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
'18-year-old Ellie left college to start taking a role | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
'within in the business.' | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
I'm basically Marketing Manager. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Ellie trundles a little bit to get out of bed, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
but we'll get there in the end. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
She's got a huge potential, but she's a bit "manana". | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
Ellie, what happened to the white van? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
I crashed it... | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
..into the box van on Saturday night. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
You crashed our own van into our own van? Yup. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
It's a brand-new bloody van. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
My dad, he does let me off with pretty much everything. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
I'm glad we can all laugh about it. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
Well, it's only a bloody van, isn't it, at the end of the day? | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
'And it's not just Ellie who gets an easy ride.' | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
How many fines do you think we pick up, Jamie's parking fines | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
and speeding fines per year? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
It's about four and a half grand a year in fines we pick up. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
My mother pays for the parking fines, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
but, you know, I think they're on commission or something, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
the parking wardens, you know. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
They're really always out to try and get you. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
He should be on the computer this afternoon, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
spreading the gospel a little bit about the business. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
And he won't be, he'll be off down the BLEEP gym. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Hi. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
'Time to see just how seriously they're taking this business.' | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
So, tell me about what you do for the company. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Well, we're kind of in charge of the marketing side. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Marketing and sales. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
Sales and marketing is a very specific discipline. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
You're quite young, you've never worked for anybody else. No. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
Didn't you ever think of working somewhere else first | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
before coming and joining the business? | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
No, I didn't. I preferred the idea of working with family. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
It is a lot easier. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:26 | |
I think it's just a lot better than just having a normal job. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
It's just, you see... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:33 | |
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just... | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I know family businesses. Yeah. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
And I know the pitfalls, and the pleasures of them. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
The pitfalls are that you don't have someone saying, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
"Prove to me that you're worth your job. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
"How many sales have you made? How many people have you converted? | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
"Show me your figures, show me your plans for this following year. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
"Show me to what extent, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:54 | |
"what percentage of your goals you've achieved." | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
You know, all these things if you're working for another company, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
you would be expected to provide... Yeah? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
..to make sure that you add value to the company. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Because there's no point in you being employed for Heck, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
if there is someone else who could on your salary | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
do your jobs better. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:12 | |
Would they have more fire in their belly to do more? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
I mean, that's, you know, that's a basic truth. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
So you're going to have to prove to me | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
that you're the best people for the job. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
'I don't mind the kids doing their jobs with no training,' | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
but I'm a great believer in sending your children out to get some | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
experience before bringing them into the fold. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Because then they've got something to bring to the party. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
At the moment they have a title and responsibility, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
but really no knowledge of how to do their job. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
And I don't think that's fair on either the business or the children. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
'It's now just ten weeks before their biggest supermarket client | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
'decides whether to relist Heck or not. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
'In an attempt to find new customers beyond the supermarkets, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
'and to see if Jamie and Ellie muster it as a sales team, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
'I've lined them up to pitch to the canteen | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
'at a large local grammar school.' | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
I want you to know my intention is not to humiliate you in any way, OK? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
I just think that the reality is every time you go anywhere and pitch | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
for this business, you have got to be the very best that you can be. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
There's no point in having the best product in the world | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
unless you've got a really good sales pitch. Yeah? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
That's really, really good news. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
'Although they've not pitched to the service industry before, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
'this should be a routine task for Heads of Sales, Jamie.' | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
I've not really had a bad meeting yet | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
where I've sort of been thrown by anything, so, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
you know, I know pretty much everything there is to know anyway. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
'I would expect some preparation for any new client, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
'especially one in a new territory.' | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
So have you got all your bits? | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
Yeah, we think so. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
'But Jamie and Ellie appear surprisingly laid-back.' | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
Ellie? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:57 | |
'Andrew is the one driving this forward.' | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Right, come on, all who want to go. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Good! Come on, a bit of enthusiasm here, you two! | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Goodness me. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
'On such short acquaintance, it appears to me that Jamie | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
'and Ellie are lazy. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:12 | |
'They don't have much get up and go about them. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
'The independent grammar school at Leeds serves up more | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
'than 1,000 sausages a month.' | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
There's no reason to pep-talk you, but it's nice to see you smiling. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
It's nice. You were a bit grumpy as we left the house. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Grumpy. Just tired, just tired. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Erm, yeah. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
Mr Murfin, hi. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
Hello, pleased to meet you. Hello. Andy Murfin, hi. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
'Hoping to give Hospitality Manager Andy Murfin food for thought, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
'they've brought their top quality premium sausage | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
'and their everyday cheaper version.' | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
This is our 97% pork, it's a very meaty texture to it. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
It is a very meaty texture. It's a very good texture. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
So what is your best price, then? | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
That's about 35... 30.5 pence per sausage. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
Right. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
How are you on that price? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:03 | |
Well, that's quite expensive, isn't it? | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Quite expensive. What are you currently paying? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
20 pence. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
20 pence a sausage? Yeah. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
The most I could probably go down is... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
Move 50p off. 50p off a case. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
It's not very good, is that. No? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
No. Sorry. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
'Their premium sausages may be out of price range, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
'but Jamie's totally forgotten the cheaper 85% version cooked up, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
'sitting right beneath his eyes.' | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
I thought you've brought some 85%. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
We have, it's that one there. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
Which you never encouraged him to try. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
Do you know what? That completely slipped my mind, yeah. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
So do please try it. They've cooked it. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Is there a difference in the prices between the 97 | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
and the 85? | 0:31:49 | 0:31:50 | |
There is, but I don't have the, er... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
I haven't looked out the prices for those. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
'Honestly?' | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
I've been working four days with their business, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
and I think I'd be more prepared to do a pitch than he was. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
And I think Ellie missed an opportunity to show me | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
her people skills, because they weren't in evidence either. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
The product's very good, I think they were a little bit under-prepared. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
They didn't handle the figures particularly well | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
cos they only had one figure that they based things on. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
The young lady didn't really say a lot. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
I would have liked to have seen you talk more, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
and I would like to believe that next time you do a pitch | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
that you are much more up to the ball with it, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
and that you have those facts and figures at your fingertips. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Oh, come on, we didn't have long to prepare, though, so, I mean... | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
I know, but I've had four days with the business, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
and all I'm saying is that you should be thinking on your feet | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
when you do something like that. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
I'm not going to think too much about how it went, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
cos I know if I had more time we'd have done a lot better. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
I'm not asking you to beat yourself up, darling, but I am... | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
I'm not beating myself up about it, but I'm disappointed with the fact | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
that I could have done a lot better if I had known more. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
Sit down with your dad, and work out pricings on everything. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Because you should be able to rattle that stuff off | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
at the tip of your tongue. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Yeah. Just to let you know, we don't do catering at all. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
'Well, I feel very frustrated by how Jamie has reacted' | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
to my criticism. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
He's extremely defensive, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
and, in fact, he was too cocky entering into this. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
I don't think he was nearly prepared enough with some basic information, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:27 | |
and he said several times, "I'm not going to look into it too deeply." | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
Well, I think he should, and I think he should ask himself | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
quite seriously what he could have done better | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
and how he'll do it better next time. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
A little bit disappointed just because I didn't really know | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
my stuff on this occasion. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
You only found out about it today, didn't you? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Yeah, I know, but still. I forgot a lot of stuff then. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
That wasn't nice. That wasn't nice at all. But anyway. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
'Their disastrous pitch leaves them still desperate for new customers, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
'and increasingly worryingly they could be taken off the Tesco shelves | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
'in just four weeks.' | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
The D-word, we call it. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
That's the D-list. The D-list to the whole range, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
and you're like, "Oh, my God." It's like... | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
It's like the world's just dropped off, it's stopped, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
because that is potentially absolutely devastating news | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
to the workforce and everybody else. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
You know, you lose business and it's shocking. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
'If they want to stay on the supermarket shelves they need to | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
'get all their other marketing tools together, and these days, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
'I'm afraid, Andrew, that means getting with it | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
'and using social media.' | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Twitter is about the dullest creation that ever was, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
and I think it's quite sad, actually. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
Imagine if you're alone in your bedroom... | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
twittering. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
'Social media has changed the way brands communicate | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
'with their customers. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:04 | |
'Once, they were restricted to expensive TV, Radio | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
'and press advertising. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
'Now they have globally effective online tools | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
'such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter.' | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
# London calling to the faraway towns... # | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
'London - the heart of Britain's vibrant social media industry. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
'I've brought Andrew and Jamie here to convince them how valuable | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
'social media is, especially for a small business like Heck.' | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Research has just come out which shows that 24 million Britons | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
use Facebook every single day. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
Every day! | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
So Facebook, in particular, you ignore at your own peril. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
As I've always said to you, I'm not a social media guru. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
But we're going to go and see people who are. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
'Partners Andrews Aldridge are experts in the field, having | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
'masterminded social media strategies | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
'for big brands like Rolls-Royce. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
'When they developed a social media launch for whisky brand, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
'the Glenlivet, the result was a 1,600% increase on YouTube views | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
'and bottles flew off the supermarket shelf.' | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
Andrew's very suspicious of social media. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
I think the phrase he used to me was, for him, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
it's rather like the emperor's new clothes. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
And he doesn't see how that drives sales, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
which is what he's ultimately interested in. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
Do you think you could discuss how that works, basically? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
It's essentially given you a platform to reach a large | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
number of individuals really cost effectively. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
They're free platforms, you can say what you want, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
and you can be part of the conversation. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
You can shape, you can influence | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
and that's how you need to think about it. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
I think the average person checks their Facebook | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
about 16 times a day. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
There has been research around, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
how likely are people to purchase products | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
because of the social media presence of brands. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
It's actually 80%, consumers... | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Does that include food as well, then? Food, just food, yeah. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
80% said they are more likely to purchase the product | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
after being influenced by the social media presence of a brand. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
We know that 89% of all small business | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
marketers are already using Twitter. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
75% are already using Facebook, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
and 65% are already using YouTube. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
That actually says something to us. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
So, what are we going to call it? | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
Fanny. I want to call her Fanny. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
'Looking for maximum brand exposure, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
'Irn Bru were aware of the power of social media.' | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Fanny, eh? I like it. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
This is the..."you called your baby fanny" campaign. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
Iron Bru gave a chance for one of their followers, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
so one of their kind of loyalists | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
and you've got followers, you can use these people, to be the first | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
person to have the film, and that one fan who had 300 followers | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
said, "This is the new Irn Bru film, I'm the first person to have it." | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
So that kind of fear of missing out, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
fear of missing out on the new thing is great. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
So I want to be the next person to tweet that straightaway. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I want to be one of the first 300 if I can't be the first one. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
If I'm not one of the first 300, I want to be the second | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
6,000, and then I want to be one of the first 100,000. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
By the end of the week, they had one million shares from one | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
person sharing it, with not a lot of followers. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
And by 2017, Cysco expects 67% of all consumer | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
internet traffic to be video. Yeah? | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
So video is something you need to be doing. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Now let's get to some fun stuff. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
June 23rd is the happiest day of the year. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
So we all know about Blue Monday in the middle of January where | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
people are all depressed, well, a sausage is a happy thing. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Why don't we get people to stick their Heck on a fork, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
put it in front of their face and you've got a little sausage smile? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
You post it up, and it's a Heck of a smile | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
and everybody kind of does that. So you own a moment in time. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
And it doesn't matter if not a lot of people start, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
because these things kind of gain momentum, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
and then next June you double, or triple, or whatever. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
And this is the Heck sausage roll. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
It's a really simple idea which is basically people roll | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
through the frame of the camera, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
so you're holding up your iPhone or whatever, and someone just does | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
a forward roll, they pass it on to a friend and then they have to do it. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
It builds up a giant film. Most notably, Nike did | 0:39:15 | 0:39:21 | |
this for the last World Cup and had millions of people. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
People can feel involved and it's a really simple thing to do. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
No, it's a great idea, really like that. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Aren't they really brilliant ideas? They're fantastic. I mean, good Lord! | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
It's been really encouraging, actually, to see Andrew | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
particularly change during the course of the day. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
I think he started a cynic, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:39 | |
and now he's left a believer and an advocate. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
This afternoon has been hugely beneficial. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
I'm very serious in investing in social media | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
because it is affordable. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
We can't go taking an advert out in the Daily Mail, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
and it's questionable how many you'd hit with that. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
I think we can definitely speak to the people we want to speak to. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
'Andrew certainly seems to be convinced | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
'now of the validity of social media.' | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
Now all we have to do is make some of it happen. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
I have to say, "Come on, everybody, give it a go." | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
'Feeling inspired, the family get social with their ideas.' | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
# Oh, there's nothing as gay as a day in the country... # | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
It's a steep hill. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
It's quite steep. There's a dog BLEEP there! | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
You've got to say, "This is a sausage roll, guys." | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
"Guys"? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
This is a sausage roll, guys. Give it a go. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
# And go rolly oh, rolly oh, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
# Rolly oh, rolly oh | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
# Rolly oh, rolling along... # | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
You three could all make a H. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
Does it look like a H? | 0:40:41 | 0:40:42 | |
That's an H, isn't it? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
Legs together! Legs together? | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
Good advice from your mother. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
You never know, it might catch on. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
You never know. It's great fun, isn't it, Ellie? | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
SHE SHRIEKS | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
# Oh, you don't have to pay for a day in the country... # | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
Jamie, stop moving your camera, hold it in one position. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
This is the tumble. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
All right, well done. Go put that lot together, then. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
'This is family fun that makes good business sense, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
'and the potential for a "Heck" of a lot of free advertising.' | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
Well, put this up now, then. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
Put it on FaceTube. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
'With the social media strategy on a roll, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
'Debbie has some news | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
'which might just keep their dreams alive for now.' | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
So what's happening with supermarket listings? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Tesco have agreed to continue our listing for another year, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
so that's a relief. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Good. Well, that's amazing, darling. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
You've come some way. Have you started using the seasoning? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
Andrew's already gone and ordered a boat-load of salt, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
so there's no going back. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
'It's great to hear they're putting the new seasoning into practice | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
''and the Tesco renewal is a huge relief. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
'But as the last 12 months have shown, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
'Tesco alone will still leave them failing to make a profit. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
'Unless they get onto more supermarket shelves, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
'the future could be bleak. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
'So I've managed to secure a pitch | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
'with quality northern retailer Booths. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
'This supermarket chain started as a family business back in 1847. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
'It may not be one of the big five, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
'but it still has a turnover nudging ?300 million. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
'This is a real opportunity they cannot afford to mess up.' | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
That's fantastic. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
I've been trying to get us in for yonks. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
Good. Well done. One last blast! Bloody great! | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
I'll tell you what, that's fantastic. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
Good. I'm delighted. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
I had to tell Debbie to stop shopping at Booths, because they... | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
He said, "Don't you dare go in there, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
"cos they won't take my e-mail." | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
Serious, I've been on them for ages. That's absolutely fantastic. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
'They haven't completely dismissed my attempts | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
'to get alternative customers from the service industry, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
'but right now, Booths may be the family's key to survival, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
'and their social media efforts could be starting to pay dividends.' | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
There's been a tweet from Nigella Lawson saying, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
"Discovered a combo of sausage and burger - Heck's Fair Square. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
"Perfect for a sandwich." | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
Yay! They've arrived! | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
She has 600,000 followers. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
It's incredibly important for brand awareness. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
Now I just want to translate that into sausages bought. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
'I've been with the family three months | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
'and we've worked on every area of their business. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
'I think they're finally ready | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
'to put all my ideas and advice into practice. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
'This is their chance to make it all count | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
'by winning the contract at Booths. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
'But getting their foot in the door of a completely new retailer | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
'will be much tougher than achieving their recent relisting with Tesco, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
'especially when Booths' sausage cabinets hold nearly 80% own-label, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:06 | |
'making it a tight squeeze for any small independent.' | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
They haven't had a massive amount of success | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
in pitching to new supermarkets, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
so to achieve the 29 Booths supermarkets | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
would be a feather in their cap | 0:44:19 | 0:44:20 | |
and one I'm really keen for them to achieve. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
Who's going into the pit? | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
Me and Mum. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
That's interesting. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:28 | |
'I'm absolutely amazed.' | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
I've finally got them the opportunity | 0:44:32 | 0:44:33 | |
they've been so desperate for, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
and they send in Debbie and Ellie, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:36 | |
who are the least experienced at pitching! | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
You're going in together. Yep. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
Are you dividing and conquering, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
or is Ellie just coming for the experience? | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
Yes. Yes? Mm-hmm. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
I don't think it's good just to go there and be completely silent. No. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
Cos then it's... | 0:44:54 | 0:44:55 | |
You've got lots of good ideas, | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
and the fact you've got a Booths loyalty card, | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
I think it means you've got something in common. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
It would be nice if there was a contribution, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
cos otherwise I think it's a bit awkward, to tell you the truth. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
Hmm? | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
I expect you to come out and tell me something scintillating | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
and incisive that you've added to the conversation. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
'Can Debbie and Ellie do enough to convince Booths buyer, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
'Keith Parkinson?' | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
Do you want to take a seat? Thank you. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
So what were your reasoning behind the Heck, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
what does Heck mean to the customer? | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
We did some research before we developed the packaging, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
and we sort of wanted to produce something | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
that everything was a given, really. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
So whilst there's so many things we can say about the product, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
we didn't want to put it all on the packet. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
We don't put "100% traceable", cos, well, it should be, shouldn't it? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
You shouldn't have to say that. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
Yeah, but equally, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
having all the information available to the customer, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
and not necessarily just assuming that the customer will know. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
'Keith's concern about lack of provenance on the packaging | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
'is something I asked them to look into at the start of this process.' | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
Just off face value, just looking at the packaging the way it is, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
I think there's some work to be done on conveying | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
the sort of real passion that you have for the product | 0:46:30 | 0:46:36 | |
and how we can convey that across to the customer. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
It comes back to why would the customer want to pick up | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
the Heck brand over another brand that would... | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
Well, I think certainly, as far as we're concerned... | 0:46:45 | 0:46:51 | |
um... | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
It's all about... | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
saying... | 0:46:55 | 0:46:56 | |
Well, we found that we've sort of been through... | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
Um... | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
So? How'd you get on? It was all right. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
It's quite tough. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
What is your gut feeling? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:14 | |
He didn't understand why they were called Heck. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
He said he was really confused about the brand name, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
and why would anyone buy that packaging? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
"Why would anyone pick it up?" | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
'They've turned up today | 0:47:28 | 0:47:29 | |
'with the same packaging they had three months ago. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
'That combined with their decision to send in Debbie and Ellie | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
'may have lost them a vital new buyer. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
'It really frustrates me, it makes me a bit cross.' | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
I want them to just start... I just... Oh, I just want to... | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
It's like carrying round a dead weight quite often, you know. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
And I just want to energise them. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
Just come on! | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
You know, this is an opportunity of a lifetime to get this much help | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
for your little business. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:02 | |
I think... | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
I think that they may be missing that. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
'While we wait to hear back from Booths, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
'there's one other key issue I need to address. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
'Throughout this process, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
'I've noticed Ellie has contributed very little to the business. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
'I'm not 100% sure Debbie and Andrew are being realistic | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
'about her responsibilities.' | 0:48:24 | 0:48:25 | |
Have a sit down. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:28 | |
'So to help us all evaluate Ellie's role objectively, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
'we're going to interview her for her own job.' | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
What I'd like to know is what do you think your strengths are? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
It would probably be talking to customers, I'm quite good at that, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
knowing a lot about the product and what goes into it. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
What opportunities do you see for this brand | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
and you as a brand ambassador? | 0:48:51 | 0:48:52 | |
Opportunities? Yes. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
Erm... | 0:48:56 | 0:48:57 | |
..I don't... | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
I don't know. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
Do you think you're organised? | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
I can be. There's days where I'm a bit kind of... | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
You're not very organised, are you? | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
Well, no, I can be. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
You see, your timekeeping's not great at the moment, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
because you are a bit slow at getting to work and things, | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
and getting out of bed and the rest of it. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
No, if I set an alarm on my phone, I don't hear it. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
Well, get yourself a big alarm, darling. That's not a great excuse. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
That's the easiest thing to put right. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
That's an easy thing to put right. It's normally Dad that wakes me up. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
But it's an important thing, darling. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
I mean, I used to go out all night dancing | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
and still be in work in the morning, cos I liked doing that. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
You've got to be a self-starter. You've got to be a self-starter. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
You don't want to have to be turfed out of bed by your mum or your dad. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
That is a bit embarrassing, let's face it. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
It means you're in the wrong job, really, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:48 | |
cos it means you're not enjoying it. Yeah. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
Cos you know what the risk is for you particularly, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
cos you're the baby, and you're the girl, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
is that, actually, you get given a bit more rope. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
But that's not brilliant for you, because one of these days, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
whether it's here or somewhere else, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
you really are going to have to go out and earn your way in the world. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
This is not great training for that. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
I feel that really passionately. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
This has got to be something that is good for you, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
and good for them. It's got to be good both ways. Yeah, absolutely. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
Good luck. Stop putting your fingernails in your mouth! | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
I can't help it! | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
I think it's good for you to have those kinds of discussions. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
Well, we haven't had enough of them, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:36 | |
and actually when you do have the discussion, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
it shows you how she's not really enjoying what she's doing. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
Not getting job satisfaction, cos she doesn't know... | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
I think she feels like it's a dead-end job. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
I know, but did I think waitressing was a dead-end job? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
Well, no. No, because actually, A - I loved it, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
and B - it was a stepping stone | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
to do what I thought I might want to do. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
INTERVIEWER: They seem very concerned | 0:50:59 | 0:51:00 | |
with what time you wake up in the morning. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
Is this a constant thing? Is this a theme? | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
Yeah, it's a habit. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:07 | |
In college, I didn't have to get up till later. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
It isn't too bad. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
Ellie is going through a bit of a teenager-y bit. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
She's a bit of a spoiled brat, actually, so she needs it, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
she needs a kick up the bottom, really. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
We can only carry her for so long, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:25 | |
so she needs to buck up her ideas or, you know... | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
..get another job. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:31 | |
'We do need to remember that Ellie is only 18. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
'Maybe giving her such a critical role in the company | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
'was a bit unfair. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
'She may just need to learn the ropes for a while. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
'They will need to resolve this for everyone's sake. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
'A few days later, unexpectedly, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
'there's a glimmer of hope from the buyer at Booths.' | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
He's very kindly come back to us | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
with a list of the sort of things they'd like us to look at. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
'Booths liked the sausages enough to give Heck a second chance, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
'if they can make some amendments to the packaging.' | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
The consistency of the gluten-free message, so we need to get the tab | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
on every single pack so it looks uniform. He's quite right. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
"And up weigh the provenance message - | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
"you're Yorkshire and proud." We ARE Yorkshire and proud. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
"The current packaging does not convey this." | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
I think it's that "what the heck" attitude | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
that we need to get across there. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
'Knowing to take nothing for granted, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
'it's down to business.' | 0:52:29 | 0:52:30 | |
"Meet our team" I think is good. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
We'll look at putting some faces on the front of that. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Stick one to the shelf-ready packaging, right in the middle. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
What, like that? Yeah, just like that. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
There's a sticker on the pack, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:40 | |
"Young, fun and having a go." | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
Who's Heck, who's not? | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
David Cameron, not Heck. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
No? He's definitely not Heck, is he? | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
Who would be? Boris Johnson. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
He'd be Heck, wouldn't he? | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
Prince Harry's quite Heck. He's very Heck. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
He's Heck - he was naked with a load of... | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
That's not Heck! | 0:52:59 | 0:53:00 | |
It's quite Heck. That's dirty. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
It is. It's quite Heck if you remember the royal family. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
'Three weeks later, Andrew is back to deliver Heck's revised product.' | 0:53:09 | 0:53:14 | |
We've done quite a lot since we last saw these guys. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
We've done some changes on some new packs - | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
"proud and independent", | 0:53:21 | 0:53:22 | |
that's one of the things that came out through Alex's conversations. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
Yeah, I've got some delicious sausages, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
and I think he'll be very happy with them, hopefully. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
He's expecting them, so you take good care of those and that'd be grand. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
Cheers, thank you very much indeed. Thanks very much. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
In the lap of the gods now. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
'Throughout this process, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:43 | |
'there has been a sensitive issue playing on my mind - | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
'Ellie's role in the family business. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
'But three months after I first arrived, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
'I'm relieved to hear Andrew and Debbie | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
'are finally being more realistic.' | 0:53:52 | 0:53:53 | |
I think she's probably just a little bit too young to join the business. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
Well, certainly in a role of responsibility. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
She needs just a little bit like a year out. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
She's got huge potential, but we're just not getting it out of her. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
I think she just needs time to grow up a bit more, you know. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
'My intention was never to undermine Ellie's involvement | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
'in the family business, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
'but now it's being re-evaluated, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:22 | |
'I want to ensure she's thinking positively about her future.' | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
If, let's say, it doesn't start making money, and it closed, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
what would you do? | 0:54:31 | 0:54:32 | |
I don't know, really. I'd have to go out | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
and start looking for jobs straightaway. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
Me and my dad have actually spoken about going out | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
and working for another company for a couple of months. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
I think it would be good, darling. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
Also, you should think about what aspect it is of Heck | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
that you want to concentrate on further down the line, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
and try and go to a company that's going to give you experience | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
in that aspect of working. Yeah. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
I mean, that makes sense. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
If you're going to do merchandise, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
maybe you should go and spend some time in a design company | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
and see how things happen. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
You've got to think about what it is that you really want to do | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
and not be a passive. Don't be so passive! | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
Don't let the world just... | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
Don't just be dragged along in the slipstream, darling. Yep. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
Cos I know you're young, but it's good to be young, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
and to have an idea about what you want to do in life, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
rather than just tip out of bed and do it because it's there. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:28 | |
Yeah. Yes? | 0:55:28 | 0:55:29 | |
I want to energise you and make you feel | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
like the world should be your oyster at this age. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
'I feel more confident now about Ellie, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
'and I'm pleased to hear Jamie's got a proper grip | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
'on the company's facts and figures | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
'and is playing a key role in the business.' | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
He has stepped up to the plate. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:46 | |
He's been coming up to a lot of retailer meetings with me now | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
and I think he's wanting to get more involved in the business. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
He's always been a bit slow on the uptake, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:55 | |
but he absolutely gets it now. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
OK, got it. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
'But the future for Heck...' Hello? | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
'..could all rest on a decision from Booths.' | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
Hi. I've just had Booths on the phone... | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
Yes? ..and it is good news, so we have got in. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
Fantastic, well done! It's not well done me. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
Actually, it is well done, actually. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
Brilliant, well done, fantastic. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
Hi, Alex. Hi. I'm just here with Debbie. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
We've just had Booths on the phone, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
and they've given us a listing, which is fantastic news. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
Well done. Woo-hoo! | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
Woo-hoo! | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
That's great news. At last, we have something to celebrate. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
We do indeed. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
We're pulling the cork and raising a glass to you tonight. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
I'm thrilled to hear your good news. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:50 | |
I send you all lots of love. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
Take care of yourself. Thanks, Alex. Bye. Bye! | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
'Four months ago, I took on a family business bursting with potential, | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
'but riddled with problems.' | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
Sometimes, you can't see the woods through the trees | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
and it's a brilliant expression. That's really how it was. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
Now we can see. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:08 | |
We can see everything that we need to see | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
I think a lot better than we did beforehand. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
'But this small business's decision to put themselves | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
'at the mercy of the powerful supermarkets | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
'appears to be finally paying off and the floodgates are opening.' | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
Got an e-mail from ASDA, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
confirming that we've got 280 stores, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:26 | |
which is absolutely fantastic. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
Yup, another door opening, and she's from Waitrose, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
so that's really good. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
'They're now on the shelves of over a thousand stores | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
'and a step closer to realising their dream | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
'of being the number one premium brand. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
'I absolutely have faith in the Keebles | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
'that they'll be able do whatever they set their minds to. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
'They're pretty ten-foot tall and bulletproof, that lot.' | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
Obviously, they take enormous comfort | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
from the fact that they're working as a family. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
This process has been invaluable, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
cos it has made us look at roles with the kids. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
I've certainly been tougher, but a lot fairer. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
'And for the very first time, this month, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
'they haven't faced a loss.' | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
?1,500 of profit is really small, | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
but, bloody hell, we'll have that, thank you very much indeed. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
We ain't going to go back to losing money. That's it. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
It's a turning point - | 0:58:18 | 0:58:19 | |
?1,500 of profit will be 15 grand in a couple of months' time. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
I think 2014 is going to be a fantastic year. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 | |
MUSIC: "Good Morning Freedom" by Blue Mink | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
The baddest teacher is back. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 | |
It's summer term! CHEERING | 0:59:05 | 0:59:07 | |
And by "bad", we mean... | 0:59:07 | 0:59:08 | |
Rule! | 0:59:08 | 0:59:09 | |
One more game, then back to work? | 0:59:09 | 0:59:11 | |
ALL CHANT: Judas! Judas! I quit! | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 | |
.."not good." | 0:59:13 | 0:59:14 | |
It's a snake! | 0:59:14 | 0:59:15 | |
You thought that Hitler's first name was Heil? Heil Hitler. | 0:59:15 | 0:59:18 | |
Your hip-hop moves are about THIS far from a race crime. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 |