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Today, the heir hunters are in a race to contact relatives. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
It's a matter of hours that they'll be followed up | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
by someone from another firm. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
And there's no let-up. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
He said that he has already been contacted by | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
five other companies today. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Another team uncover a family secret. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Yes, he's born in the surname Gray, but there's no father stated | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
and therefore his is an illegitimate birth. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
For the heirs they find... | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
It's brought the family together a little bit now. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
..lost relatives are seldom forgotten. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
He was one of the good people in this world, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
that's for sure. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
Every day, the Government Legal Department | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
publish the names of people who have died with no known next of kin. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
If an estate remains unclaimed on this list, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
the proceeds from the sale of any property or possessions | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
go to the state. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
We're confident it looks good, so we'll send someone over to you. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Heir hunting firms, like Finders in London, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
investigate cases on this list, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
trying to find possible blood relatives | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
who would be entitled to inherit. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
-I'd be disappointed if we didn't get... -OK. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
Senior case manager Ryan Gregory | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
has spotted a case that's just appeared this morning | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
that might be worth investigating. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
I'm having a look at the estate | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
of John Leslie Simm. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Some good information in the ads. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
It tells us that he was born on 27th July 1945 | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
in Warrington, in Cheshire. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
He passed away in Dorset on 26th September 2015. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
The listing also says that John had a wife called Dorothy Olivia | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
who passed away in August 2006. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
Ryan's searches quickly reveal that | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
the area of Dorset where John Simm lived | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
was the small seaside town of Highcliffe, near Christchurch. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
Neighbour Reg Stones remembers him well. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
John Simm lived right opposite my house | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
for some 15 years | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
along with his wife Olivia, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
otherwise known as Olive. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
John was actually 20 years younger than Olivia. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
They seemed extremely happy together, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
and they were evidently well matched, is the word. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Another of the couple's friends, John Woodhouse, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
first met John 20 years ago. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
He kept himself to himself. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
He was devoted to his wife, Olivia... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
..and when she died, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
he lived a very quiet lifestyle. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
He didn't touch on his family at all. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
My name's Amy Cox, I'm calling... | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
Back in the office, Ryan has enlisted the help | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
of some of the research team... | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
I checked, and apparently, these have been ordered. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
..who've found out that John owned his own house in Highcliffe. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Oh, I do promise it's an actual matter. We do... | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
They think it could be worth over £400,000. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
But then is there any more certs | 0:03:14 | 0:03:15 | |
you can get locally which should help? | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
With no other family information to go on, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
the team have checked Olivia's death record | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
and found her maiden name was Henss. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
If someone's lived there long enough, they should know... | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
A birth search has told them she and John had no children. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Right. That's brilliant. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
We know we're not looking for a spouse | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
who would be entitled to inherit from him John's estate, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
but what I'm doing at the moment is, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
given that she was born in 1926 and she married John in 1970, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:46 | |
I'm thinking she married before she married John. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
We just want to make sure that there isn't any children | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
that would be entitled to inherit from John's estate. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Any children from a previous marriage | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
may have been adopted by John. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Hey. That's under control, is it? | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
The team have found the evidence about John's wife, Olivia, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
they've been looking for. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
We assumed that the deceased's wife was married previously. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
I've found out that she was married to a Gordon James Stackhouse. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
That's been verified by finding them together | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
on the London electoral roll. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:21 | |
But, so far, I've managed to kind of rule out children. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
The next step is to see if John Leslie Simm had any siblings. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
If you're confident that the register is going to cooperate | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
and send through, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
-we might as well put him in another place. -OK. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
From John's birth record, the team can see his parents' names - | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
John Simm and Violet Mary Bridge. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
Searching birth indexes in the years after their marriage, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
they discover they had no other children. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Check for her. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
I'd say that that's probably just because they thought, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
"Oh, it's Johnson, it's going to be really hard." | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
Ryan and the team will have to try and find | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
aunts, uncles and cousins of John's, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
and to do that, they need to go back one generation, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
to John's grandparents, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
but this is all taking time. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I'm a bit concerned, really, if I'm honest, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
how long it's taken me to get to this stage, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
but I'm going to carry on. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
I just think that it's going to be quite a competitive case. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Hopefully, that's not too far away, is it? | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
When the Bona Vacantia list is updated, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
we have to assume | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
that other people are going to see them | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
at the same time as us | 0:05:26 | 0:05:27 | |
and obviously we'll have to work as fast as we can | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
to get ahead of the competition on those cases. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
-And also I ordered that one locally to get her date of birth. -OK. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
To get things moving, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:38 | |
Ryan decides they should look into | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
John's father's side of the family first. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
His parents' names were Joseph Simm and Mary Rudd. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
By using the 1911 census, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
it looks as though the deceased's father | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
may have been an only child, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
so that's good in terms of limiting the research that we need to do. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:59 | |
With no aunts and uncles to inherit | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
on John's father's side of the family, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
the team now move on to his mother's side. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
I've found the records quite easily on this side of the family. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
They've found that John's mother's parents | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
were Ernest Bridge and Mary Kirkham. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
-Yeah, I got that, and it gave me... -OK. -..this information. -OK. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
Their searches reveal that John's mother, Violet, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
was the first of four daughters born between 1913 and 1923 | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
in the North West of England. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Are they meant to still be alive? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
She could...yeah, she could still be alive. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
Although it's unlikely Violet's sisters are still alive, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
the team need to be sure, so they're looking for death records. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
OK. Are we good to...? | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
-I'll just go back and check over them to see... -Yeah. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Their next step is to look for marriages | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
which would help them find any children if they had them. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
This one | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
and they had found a better match | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-for a different marriage. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
I was initially slightly panicking | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
given that I couldn't find any marriages and deaths | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
for the maternal aunts in Warrington, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
which is where they're born. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
But had a bit of a dig around | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
and found out there's a different registration district | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
they have been using for their marriages, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
which is Newton-le-Willows in Lancashire. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
It's quite near to Warrington. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
That was kind of the breakthrough I needed to descend the lines | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
cos it helped me find the marriages | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
and then gave me the surnames needed for the birth searches. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
It's going to be better to get the one death back | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
than...all the possible marriages. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
-Yeah. -They might just say... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
They might just make us think he's a bachelor or something. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
At least then we'd know. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
In their searches, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
the team has found something interesting | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
about Violet's youngest sister, Joyce. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
She had married a William John Spry in 1956. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
They moved from the North West to Devon because of William's job | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
in the Admiralty Constabulary or naval police. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Begun by Samuel Pepys in 1686, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
the force has a long history. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
The principles of the Constabulary was to look after MOD property, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
to stop theft from the properties. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
For centuries, the Navy, Army and Air Force | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
all had their own constabularies. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
At the time when Mr Spry was in the Admiralty Constabulary, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
there was around 2,000 employees, constables, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
at...I believe it was around 115 different establishments | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
throughout the country. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:38 | |
But unfortunately for law enforcers like William Spry, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
constabulary's days were numbered. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
There was several closing in the late '50s and early '60s, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
which meant that he had to move with the job, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
as any service personnel would have done. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
And by 1965, with the formation of the Ministry of Defence, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
the constabulary's days were over. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
The Navy, the Air Force and the Army services were brought together | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
and became the Ministry of Defence Police | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
we still have today. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
So, the force | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
that you see today is responsible for providing | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
unique specialist policing, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
protecting some of the most valuable assets of the nation, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
both in defence and in critical national infrastructure, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
such as energy installations and places like GCHQ. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
The force is very different from any other police force | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
in that most police forces have a very small number of officers | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
who are highly trained firearms officers. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
For us, it's very different. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
90% of our roles and responsibilities | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
involve countering the counter-terrorism threat, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
so therefore 90% of our officers are armed officers. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
William Spry was with the Ministry of Defence Police | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
up until he died in 1970. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
But could she have married before? Is this what we're thinking as well? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
Back in the office, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
the team have discovered that William's wife, Joyce, John's aunt, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
had passed away in 2003. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
But she had two children, who would be John's cousins | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
and potential heirs to his estate. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Given that we're a couple hours into the search, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
I'd be very surprised if the person I'm about to call | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
hasn't been contacted by someone else. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
But fingers crossed. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
It's not going to be a huge family tree, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
so...it would be nice just to speak to them | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
before anybody else, hopefully. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
Hello, good morning, this is a message for Mr Derek Spry. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
It's Ryan Gregory. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
If you could kindly give us a call back in the office. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Like I said, it's in relation to an inheritance matter. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Thank you very much. Bye-bye. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
So, get someone to go there and someone to go there. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
'Some of the biggest frustrations' | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
in working a case when you know it's competitive | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
are the little delays that happen along the way | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
that are not our fault. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
For example, if we're trying to get hold of a particular person | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
who we believe could be a beneficiary, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
and they're out or away or on holiday, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
it can really slow things down | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
and obviously give the competition time to catch up with us. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
But it seems Ryan might be in luck. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
I have Derek on the phone for you. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
The one I just phoned? OK. Cool. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Hello, Ryan speaking. Is that Mr Spry? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Tha...that's OK. Thanks for getting back to me. OK. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
Ryan may have made contact with what could be the first heir, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
but will the team be able to stay ahead of the competition? | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Yeah, it's a matter of hours that they'll be followed up | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
by someone from another firm. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
Or will they lose out? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
And he said that he has already been contacted | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
by five other companies today. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
The next case concerns a man called Charles Edward Gray. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
He was born on 22nd December 1943 in Glasgow, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
but spent much of his life living in Teignmouth, Devon. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
A popular character around town, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Charles, or Charlie, as he was known, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
was captain of the local bowling club. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Well, I met Charlie | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
in 2004 when I joined this bowling club | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
and got to know him reasonably well, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
mainly in the little place over there, the London, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
where I used to convince him it was a good idea to buy me a pint. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
Unfortunately, he had the attitude where I should buy him one as well, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
so it used to be quite exciting from time to time. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Another bowling friend, Bev Bell, knew Charlie for eight years. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
He was always first | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
to buy a round, which always went down rather well. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
He was also generous with his time. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Whenever we went to an away match, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
everyone always came up to Charlie, shook his hands. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
They all knew him. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
He definitely left an impression on everyone. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
But bowling hadn't always been central to Charlie's life. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
In 1959, he joined the Army and became a Royal Engineer, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
serving in Germany and Yemen. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
He later worked as a publican and hotelier | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
eventually settling in Teignmouth. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Sadly on Christmas morning in 2014, Charlie passed away. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
On that Christmas, he was coming to my house | 0:13:41 | 0:13:47 | |
where we'd got a meal ready for him, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
and it was all rather traumatic, shall we say. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
And testament to Charlie's popularity, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
the whole community turned out to bid him farewell. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
You've only got to look at when we had the service for him | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
in the local church. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
And that the vicar - not me - the vicar said, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
"Well, we've got 260 seats," and I had to bring in more. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
He seemed to be memorable to a lot of people | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
and a lot of people made a big effort | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
to make sure that they made his funeral. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Having passed away with no known next of kin, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Charlie's estate was advertised | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
The gist of it is we just need to resend agreements to both of them. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
It was picked up by case manager Richard Fryer | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
of London heir hunting firm Hoopers. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
The first thing we would do would be | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
to check if there seems be any potential value in such an estate. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
So, the first thing we did then was to look at land registry records | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
which show that Charlie Gray | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
actually owned a property in Teignmouth, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
which was a guest house | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
which seemed to contain a variety of self-contained flats. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Charlie's property meant his estate had a value of around £350,000. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:07 | |
Obviously, if there is a property in an estate we're researching, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
it gives the opportunity for potential beneficiaries | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
to benefit in a much larger way than they would otherwise - | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
in a way that could be life-changing for certain individuals. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Have we covered all the censuses and everything...? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
The first thing the team needed to establish | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
was whether Charlie had been married. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
We made some enquiries in Teignmouth, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
and we found out that Charlie had been predeceased | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
by his partner, Wendy Valentine. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
And as the team discovered, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
Wendy was something of a celebrity - | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
an actress previously married to | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
'50s singing sensation, Dickie Valentine, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
who was tragically killed in a car crash in 1971. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Yeah, I wrote to her on Friday. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Case manager Abigail Rising looked into the relationship | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
between Charlie and Wendy. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
We found that Charlie had been | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
living with Wendy up till her death in 2001. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
We were unable to find any marriages for Charlie and Wendy, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
and we were pretty confident that Charlie hadn't been married before | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
and didn't have any children. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
This meant the heir hunters needed to expand the search. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
We knew that Charlie had been born in Glasgow, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
so, knowing this, we contacted our researcher in Edinburgh | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
in the hope that she would be able to find a record of his birth, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
and she came up with the goods and found a record of his birth in 1943 | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
in Campsie, which is just to the north of Glasgow. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
So, when we were able to view this, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
we found that his mother's name is listed as | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
a Jean Phillips Stables Gray. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
But, interestingly, there's no father | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
listed on his birth certificate. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
But the team could also see quite clearly | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
on Charlie's birth certificate | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
that his mother's surname, Gray, was her married name. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Her maiden name was Michie. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Can't think of any off... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
I saw something on the list the other day, actually. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
I'll make sure we've got it. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
They looked for a marriage and found that Charlie's mother, Jean, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
had married a Donald Gray in 1929, when she was 22. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
They didn't have any children, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
and unfortunately, they divorced in 1940. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
So, with Charlie's birth certificate, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
yes, he's born in the surname Gray, but there's no father stated, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
and therefore his is an illegitimate birth. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
With Charlie born three years after his mother's divorce | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
from her only husband, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
it's unlikely he was Donald Gray's son. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
So, he said we're waiting on one certificate now. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Jean herself appears to have kept the surname, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
so it was probably the most socially acceptable name to give her son. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
Let me show you this case. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
When a mother has divorced and hasn't changed their name | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
but goes on to have further children with another gentleman, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
it's difficult sometimes to identify her children. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
Having discounted his father's side of the family, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
the team checked to see if they could find | 0:18:07 | 0:18:08 | |
any other children Jean may have had. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
It's half-blood from the paternal. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
These half-blood siblings would be the first in line | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
to inherit from Charlie's estate. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
A search of the birth records using just Charlie's mother's surname Gray | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
or her maiden name, which is Michie, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
revealed no other births, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
and therefore, with no siblings or father's name to work with, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
that just left research to do | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
on Charlie's mother's side of the family. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
The search for heirs now had to move back a generation | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
to any aunts, uncles or cousins of Charlie. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
Yep, OK. Great. That's brilliant. Thanks a lot. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
But when the team looked for Charlie's mother's birth certificate, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
they couldn't find one. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Travelling researcher Jonathan Wright | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
was despatched to a records office | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
in the hope of finding out more from certificates. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Jean Gray's death certificate | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
was to be found in the Scottish death indexes. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
Fortunately, Scottish death certificates are very detailed. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
They actually give information regarding the person's parents. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
So, although we didn't have...we weren't able to locate | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
a birth certificate for Jean Gray, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
nevertheless, we did know her parents' names | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
from her death certificate. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
This enabled us to locate Jean with the parents | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
on the 1911 Scottish Census. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
I've anticipated your call. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
'English certificates -' | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
birth, marriage, deaths - | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
are pretty good as far as information is concerned, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
but Scottish certificates have a lot more information available. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
They give a lot more details of parents | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
and sometimes divorce details. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Just a lot more information that we can use in our research. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
The team at Hoopers found that the Census was also useful | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
in resolving the issue of Jean's missing birth certificate. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
Well, a fairly revealing aspect of the 1911 Census | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
that explains why we weren't able to find Jean Michie's birth entry - | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
she was actually born in Cape Colony, in South Africa. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
And they also found the reason for Jean's South African birth. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
It was tied to the career of her father, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
Charles' grandfather, Harry Michie. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
We were able to locate a copy of an Army recruitment form | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
for Harry Michie, Jean Michie's father, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
dated 15th January 1900. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
A month later, he was fighting in the Boer War in South Africa. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
This war in South Africa was between the British Empire | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
and the descendants of Dutch, German and French settlers, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
who were called the Boers. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
The Boer War was a bush conflict. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
The Boers were renowned fighters. They were, after all farmers. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
They knew how to shoot and how to run horses, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
and that proved very effective in a mobile war, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
which this was, against the British. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
The British were deeply unhappy of the guerrilla tactics | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
the Boers used - this was very unsportsmanlike. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
The idea of basically hiding behind a hill | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
and taking a sharp shooter shot at a British soldier | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
and then hiding behind the hill again | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
was something you were not trained to do in the British Army. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Military records show that Harry Michie | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
was in a Scottish regiment called the Gordon Highlanders. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
The Victorians identified various populations around the world | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
as being natural warriors and, for instance, in India, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
they found it was the Gurkhas in Nepal | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
and in Britain, it was the Highlanders. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
I think it's very possible Harry Michie joined in January 1900 | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
out of a sort of patriotic zeal | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
brought on by observing the fact that | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Britain was actually doing badly in the war | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
and there was a need to rise to the defence of the Empire. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
It's also important to realise that he's passed as fit, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
and nine out of ten recruits | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
who actually tried to enlist during the Boer War | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
were found not to be physically fit. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
So, the fact he was actually a fit young man | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
probably gave him an advantage. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
In May 1901, Harry headed back to the UK. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
But it wasn't the last he would see of South Africa. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
It seems reasonable to assume that | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
Harry's time in the Army in South Africa | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
led to his decision to go back there. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
And in 1905, he married Jane Bisset Steele there in South Africa. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:24 | |
Charlie's mother Jean was born two years later | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
and census records show a growing family. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
By the time Jean's brother Harry was born in 1910, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
the family had moved back to Renfrew, in Scotland. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
And from these few documents - | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
birth certificate, death certificate, the census entry - | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
we're able to build a fuller picture of the family | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
and their movements during this particular period of time. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Along with Jean and her brother Harry, Harry Sr and Jane | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
had gone on to have another four children, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
making five aunts and uncles | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
who we've found could be Charlie's heirs. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
But as the team delved deeper, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
it seemed another overseas war might jeopardise their chances. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Short of killing them, you've got to do something with them. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
Every year in the UK, thousands of people receive a surprise | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
knock on the door from the heir hunters. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
It makes me feel very sad that we didn't know | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
that we had all these relatives. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Today, we have details of two unclaimed estates | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
The first is that of Ernestine Georgina Agnes Burnham, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
who passed away at the age of 76 | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
in Hatfield, Hertfordshire, on 14th September 1990. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
She was born in Cologne, in Germany, on 23rd March 1923. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
Ernestine's German mother, Katherina Walterscheidt, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
was a concert singer, and her father, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
William Ernest Spencer Burnham, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
was a jockey from Thirtleby, near Hull, in Yorkshire. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
They married on 22nd September 1920 in Cologne. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Ernestine is thought to be their only child | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
and came to England in 1947, when she would have been 24. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
She lived with an aunt called Evelyn Langston, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
a professor at the Royal Academy Of Music. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Could there be links to Ernestine Burnham in your family? | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Do you now anyone of that name? | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
The next unclaimed estate is that of Catherine Dovanski, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
also known as Dovancki. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
She died on 16th June 2008 in Todmorden, West Yorkshire, aged 81. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
Catherine was born on 7th December 1926, in the Irish Republic, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
and is thought to have worked in the textile industry. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
She was a widow and her husband's name was Guyla Dovancki. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
They are believed to have had one daughter | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
but no other details are known about her. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Do you know anything that could be the key to solving this case? | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
If you think you might be related to either of these people, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
you would need to make a claim on their estate | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
through the Government Legal Department. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Once again, the names of the cases we're trying to solve | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
with your help today are... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
Heir hunting firm Finders have been looking into the unclaimed estate | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
of John Leslie Simm, who was well regarded by friends | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
in the seaside town of Highcliffe, in Dorset, where he lived. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
I will immensely miss him. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Because of the banter we used to have. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
And the camaraderie we had. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Ryan has been struggling to get hold of one of John's cousins, Derek, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
but has finally made contact. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
He knew John, who passed away. Erm, he knew John's wife as well. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:17 | |
He was able to confirm that John didn't have any children | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
and that John was an only child. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
So, it looks as though there's just five maternal heirs | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and it could be that there's just five heirs in total. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Oh, right. Are you OK to talk? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
And the team also managed to make contact with Derek's sister. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
OK. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
Would you prefer if we gave you a call back...later on? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
Both have agreed to have visits from the travelling researchers. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
I'm after Holly. We're just going to arrange the visit that we need. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
We've got long enough to get all the paperwork drawn up, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
which is good, for the visit. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
To see one of the maternal cousins. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
The other one wants a visit in two days' time. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Which is not ideal, but you've got to work around people's schedules. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Where a probate genealogy firm | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
and we look into deceased people without next of kin. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
And I believe that he may be the next of kin. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
We're first to speak to the heirs that I've spoken to | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
but I know that within the next... | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
It's a matter of hours that they'll be followed up | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
by someone from another firm. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
So far, it's good news with John Simm's mother's family. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
The team has managed to make contact with four heirs on this side | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
and travelling researcher Phil is on his way to meet with Derek. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
I think he knew him perhaps as a younger person | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
and he is a maternal cousin of the deceased. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
At the office, Ryan is anxious | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
Phil gets to meet Derek as quickly as he can. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
I'm expecting there to be competition. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
It's very rare. I mean... | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
It doesn't happen that you don't have any competition | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
on these type of cases any more. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
All he can do is wait. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
But while Ryan has some lunch, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
Amy makes a discovery that could alter everything. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
So, Ryan asked me to confirm the size of the paternal family | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
because originally, he thought that the deceased father | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
was an only child. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:16 | |
But it turns out that the deceased father was actually | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
an only child in 1911. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
His parents had actually only married in 1909. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
So, then they went on to have some more children. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
As a result of doing birth records searches after 1911, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Amy has found out that John's grandparents on his father's side | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
had five more children. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
With this whole side of the family opening up, the pressure is on | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
to try and contact their children, who would be potential heirs. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
I just have a few questions for him, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
just to check I've got the right person. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Thank you. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
I managed to speak to a paternal cousin of John Leslie Simm. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
And he said that he has already been contacted | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
by five other companies today. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Erm, and a company went round and visited him as well. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
But he did confirm that he knew the deceased | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
and he was aware that he passed away. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
So we know that we've definitely got the right family. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
It looks like Ryan's early decision | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
to focus on the mother's side of the family was probably the wrong one. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
When we work on a case | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
and we find that the people we believe to be the heirs | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
have already been retained by another company, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
we don't just leave it there. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:27 | |
In many cases, what we'll do is just double-check over the research | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
to make sure that nothing's been missed. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
I think at this point, this side has already... | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
This side must have been already done by the other companies, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
whereas we decided to go for the Bridge family first. I think... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:47 | |
Hopefully, there might be some people | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
that we're going in there first with. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
-It's definitely worth going on. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
You can't... You can't just give up like that. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
Ryan gets the news now he's back from lunch. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
The family tree has kind of doubled in size since I've gone. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
Erm, now we were always going to come back to the paternal side | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
anyway, given that we'd only pinpointed them on the 1911 census. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
So we are playing catch-up on this side of the family | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
whereas on the other side, we are the first to contact. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
So that's sometimes the way it's goes. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
In Woking, travelling researcher Phil | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
is finally at the home of John's cousin, Derek Spry. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
We met Olive, John's wife, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
-when we were kids. -Yes. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
And she was quite a bit | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
-older than him. -Yes. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
So, they never had children. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
Yes, and that's why this has gone back up, back up the bloodline. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
-It's brought the family together a little bit now. -Yeah. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
-They started speaking to each other a little bit. -Well, do you know? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
-Often these tragedies... -Yes. -A death in the family does that. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
But one little thing, and it's something they do | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
at the end of these processes, a family tree. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
Yeah, my sister said that. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
-And it's... It's just there. It's gratis, it's nothing. -It's nice. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
And it's just for you. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
-I will make a note that you would like the family tree. -Please. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
-That's us, business concluded. -Thanks very much. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Well, thanks very much. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
I, I knew John when I was a small child. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
He was my eldest cousin, I believe. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
And he married Olive and we had a rapport as children. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
I also remember him as tall and dressed in a suit | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
and a smart-looking bloke. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Erm, that's the only memories I can really remember. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
He did visit when he was older and he was just | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
a really, really nice person. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Very polite. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
And with Derek signing up with the heir hunters, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Phil gives Ryan the good news. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
He was really interested in the family tree side of it at the end. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
-OVER PHONE: -'Of course. OK, that's definitely something | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
-'we can send one out to him as well.' -Excellent, that's... | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
-It all went very well. -'Good job. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:52 | |
-'Thank you very much for checking it out, mate.' -No problem at all. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
-Thanks, Ryan. -'OK, take care.' -Cheers, bye, bye. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
This is such a lovely job, working like this. Erm, so for... | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
I've got nothing particularly planned now so I'll go home now | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
and see what the day brings. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
Back at the office, the whole team are trying to work out exactly | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
how many heirs there are on the father's side | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
of John Simm's family. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
Proper sleuthing at the moment. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:21 | |
We're just trying to find this paternal heir. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
The 70-year-old cousin of John's is in a care home. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
But Ryan needs to find out what it's called. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
She's not married so I can't just drop down and try | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
and find any children to contact. So, um... | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
I feel like if I just ring around the nursing homes in the area, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
that she should be in there. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
We might find someone that can help us | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
arrange a visit with her. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
We've one down, two to go. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
It's been a long day's search and by six o'clock, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
time to call it a night for now. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
It's all to... To kind of play for, if you like. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
There's one person who's signed with the competition. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
So, I mean, there's nothing we can do about that. It's... | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
one of those things that happen in these types of cases. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
So, I'm not sure. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
It's going to be a matter of coming back into the office tomorrow | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
and seeing what the feedback is from the representatives throughout | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
visiting the various beneficiaries. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
The next day, after a late night out on the road | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
for the travelling researchers, Ryan is feeling hopeful. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
So, we found out by visiting one of the paternal heirs | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
that actually, there was about double the number of beneficiaries | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
in that side of the family than we had thought previously. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Now, he was able to give us | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
quite a lot of information on the family tree. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
The only drawback being that he'd given the same information | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
to the other firm who were working the case a number of hours earlier. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
In the end, Ryan and the team found nine heirs on John Simm's | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
father's side and five on his mother's side of the family. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
On reflection of the case of John Leslie Simm, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
it would be potentially easy for us to be disappointed | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
that whilst we firstly focused our research on the maternal side, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
the competition focused their research | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
on the paternal side of the family. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
So, it was just fate, the way that it happens. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Another case that won't remain with the Crown | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
and we're very happy with the way it went. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
But for heir Derek Spry, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:24 | |
he's still coming to terms with the sad news about his cousin John. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
I said that, actually. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:29 | |
I'm shocked that there was no-one for him to leave it to. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
And I find it sad that the estate's been left like this. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
Because obviously, there's no-one to carry it on. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
In London, heir hunting firm Hoopers is investigating | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
the £350,000 estate of Charlie Gray. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
I spoke to him around Thursday, I think, didn't I? | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
A former military man and keen bowls player, Charlie had passed away | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
at home on Christmas Day 2014 and was sorely missed by friends. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
He was... | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
the sort of bloke who would do anything for anyone. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
I think the classic Charlie would be generous, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
both of spirit and of money. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
With no known father of Charlie's to look into, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
the team had moved back through the generations | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
of Charlie's mother's family in their search for heirs. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
What's going on? Anything? | 0:35:37 | 0:35:38 | |
I suppose if you're eliminating one side of the family, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
ie the paternal family, then there's more chance | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
that you're going to end up with no relatives at all | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
because you're immediately halving your chances. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
The team have found that Charlie's mother, Jean Michie, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
was born in South Africa in 1907 | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
after her father had fought there in the Boer War. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Well, from that point on, our work was much more straightforward | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
because, as we'd ascertained that the family had returned to Scotland, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
Harry and Jane went on to have a further five children in the area. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
And as the families of the five aunts | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
and uncles were uncovered, so too were the Army connections. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
So, Charlie's uncle, Charles Edward Michie, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
was born in 1912, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
meaning he would be in his late 20s at the outbreak of World War II, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
making it highly likely he would have seen service. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
The team's searches found that uncle Charles had gone to Malaya | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
as a mechanical engineer for a tin dredging company in the 1930s. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
Someone who came from Scotland, specifically Renfrew, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
would have come from a place | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
with very strong links to Southeast Asia. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
The Clyde was strong on shipbuilding | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
and that included dredges, for dredging rivers | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
and also for dredging alluvial deposits of tin. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
But on the eve of World War II in 1938, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
he was enlisted into the Allied Volunteer Forces. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
By February 1942, Charles had been captured by the Japanese | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
and became a prisoner of war. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:20 | |
The Japanese didn't have any choice taking prisoners. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
They had defeated a large British force, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
they had in excess of 110,000 men. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
Short of killing them, you've got to do something with them. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
And the Japanese approach was to put them in huge holding camps | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
and then distribute them to places where they could put them | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
to work in a way that would help the war effort. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
The Allied prisoners of war were sent to many types of camp. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
The main one being Changi, in Singapore. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
Changi ranged from about 50,000 peak prisoners to 5,000 at its minimum. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
Prisoners were sent out either to working parties to build | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
the Thai Burma railway, or to elsewhere in Singapore | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
to build monuments, to help with aerodromes. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
By the end of the war, more than 30,000 prisoners, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
almost a quarter of those captured, had died. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
As the Japanese got more desperate, they speeded up the work | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
until people might be working 12, 18 hours under severe pressure. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
The most common causes of death would have been things | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
such as dysentery or cholera, possibly malaria. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
But all of this contributed to by severe state of malnourishment | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
as the war went on. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:42 | |
So that people just wouldn't have had the resistance | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
and the ability to fight off these diseases. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
In the office, the team have discovered | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
that Charlie's uncle Charles was one of the lucky ones. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
He survived being a prisoner of war and on his return to Scotland, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
went on to marry Elizabeth Bannatyne Dickson in 1946. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
They had their only child in 1950. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
I think that one's tied up now, isn't it, more or less? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
I believe it is, yeah. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
The team had found their first heir. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
And from Charlie's remaining aunts and uncles, there could be more. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
So, I'll let you know if there are any developments in that regard. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
The team had found that Margaret Michie died aged two, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
but Harry, James and Mary had all gone on to have children. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
One of Mary Michie's three children is Pat Hall, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
a cousin of Charlie's who was shocked to hear of his death. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Well, it was... | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
It was devastating. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
Because we'd been trying to get in touch with him. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
You know, because it was his birthday | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
and it was Christmas and everything. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
And we were going to go down and see him after the New Year. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
But we hadn't been able to make arrangements | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
because we hadn't been able to get a hold of him. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
We'd phoned but we hadn't heard from him. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
And then to hear that news. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
Well, it was just so shocking, it was terrible. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
And to think that he was on his own. That was what was the horrible part. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
You know, that he was on his own when it happened. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
I know it happened quick. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
But...it... | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
It just seemed so sad. We were sad, really sad. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
There's Charlie. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
Pat is less than a year younger than her cousin Charlie, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
who was godfather to her children. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Charlie and I were close. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
I mean, we didn't see each other for years in between | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
but...you know, when you are close to someone, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
it doesn't matter if you don't see them for years, does it? | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
You know, you... You're just there, it's like yesterday. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
We'd see Charlie maybe once, twice a year. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
Erm, we went down to Devon as a family. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
We had a lovely time when we saw him. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
There we are. No more. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Back at the office in London, the team are making contact | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
with the rest of the heirs to Charlie's estate. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Our business is to trace the beneficiaries | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
in the estates where... | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
In the end, it was a good result for Richard and his team. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Well, this was a very interesting, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
satisfying case. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
Although, in theory, we only had half a case to research | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
because Charlie's father wasn't stated on his birth certificate, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
there was still some challenging research | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
and we found 12 heirs in all, two of whom had emigrated to Australia. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
And I'm pleased to say that the family will be inheriting | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
Charlie's estate rather than it eventually passing to the Crown. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
But for Charlie's friends and family, it had been a time | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
to reflect and remember the man who had been a big part of their lives. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
He knew a lot of people in this village | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
and a lot of people knew him. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
Erm, and he was respected by all. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
I will always remember Charlie with a certain amount of affection, yes. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
I miss him tremendously, and the club misses him tremendously. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
He's been a terrible loss to the club. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
He was a glue which held the three sections of the club together. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
He was one of the good people in this world. That's for sure. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
He was very kind. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:39 | |
He was happy-go-lucky as well. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
Also quite serious about things too. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
But he was a lovely person. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:48 | |
One you would really call the salt of the earth, Charlie was. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 |