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Today, the heir hunters are in a race to contact relatives.

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It's a matter of hours that they'll be followed up

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by someone from another firm.

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And there's no let-up.

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He said that he has already been contacted by

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five other companies today.

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Another team uncover a family secret.

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Yes, he's born in the surname Gray, but there's no father stated

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and therefore his is an illegitimate birth.

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For the heirs they find...

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It's brought the family together a little bit now.

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..lost relatives are seldom forgotten.

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He was one of the good people in this world,

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that's for sure.

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Every day, the Government Legal Department

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publish the names of people who have died with no known next of kin.

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If an estate remains unclaimed on this list,

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the proceeds from the sale of any property or possessions

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go to the state.

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We're confident it looks good, so we'll send someone over to you.

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Heir hunting firms, like Finders in London,

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investigate cases on this list,

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trying to find possible blood relatives

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who would be entitled to inherit.

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-I'd be disappointed if we didn't get...

-OK.

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Senior case manager Ryan Gregory

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has spotted a case that's just appeared this morning

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that might be worth investigating.

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I'm having a look at the estate

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of John Leslie Simm.

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Some good information in the ads.

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It tells us that he was born on 27th July 1945

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in Warrington, in Cheshire.

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He passed away in Dorset on 26th September 2015.

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The listing also says that John had a wife called Dorothy Olivia

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who passed away in August 2006.

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Ryan's searches quickly reveal that

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the area of Dorset where John Simm lived

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was the small seaside town of Highcliffe, near Christchurch.

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Neighbour Reg Stones remembers him well.

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John Simm lived right opposite my house

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for some 15 years

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along with his wife Olivia,

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otherwise known as Olive.

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John was actually 20 years younger than Olivia.

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They seemed extremely happy together,

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and they were evidently well matched, is the word.

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Another of the couple's friends, John Woodhouse,

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first met John 20 years ago.

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He kept himself to himself.

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He was devoted to his wife, Olivia...

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..and when she died,

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he lived a very quiet lifestyle.

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He didn't touch on his family at all.

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My name's Amy Cox, I'm calling...

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Back in the office, Ryan has enlisted the help

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of some of the research team...

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I checked, and apparently, these have been ordered.

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..who've found out that John owned his own house in Highcliffe.

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Oh, I do promise it's an actual matter. We do...

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They think it could be worth over £400,000.

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But then is there any more certs

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you can get locally which should help?

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With no other family information to go on,

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the team have checked Olivia's death record

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and found her maiden name was Henss.

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If someone's lived there long enough, they should know...

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A birth search has told them she and John had no children.

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Right. That's brilliant.

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We know we're not looking for a spouse

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who would be entitled to inherit from him John's estate,

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but what I'm doing at the moment is,

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given that she was born in 1926 and she married John in 1970,

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I'm thinking she married before she married John.

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We just want to make sure that there isn't any children

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that would be entitled to inherit from John's estate.

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Any children from a previous marriage

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may have been adopted by John.

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Hey. That's under control, is it?

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Yeah.

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The team have found the evidence about John's wife, Olivia,

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they've been looking for.

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We assumed that the deceased's wife was married previously.

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I've found out that she was married to a Gordon James Stackhouse.

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That's been verified by finding them together

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on the London electoral roll.

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But, so far, I've managed to kind of rule out children.

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The next step is to see if John Leslie Simm had any siblings.

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If you're confident that the register is going to cooperate

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and send through,

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-we might as well put him in another place.

-OK.

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From John's birth record, the team can see his parents' names -

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John Simm and Violet Mary Bridge.

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Searching birth indexes in the years after their marriage,

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they discover they had no other children.

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Check for her.

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I'd say that that's probably just because they thought,

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"Oh, it's Johnson, it's going to be really hard."

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Ryan and the team will have to try and find

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aunts, uncles and cousins of John's,

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and to do that, they need to go back one generation,

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to John's grandparents,

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but this is all taking time.

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I'm a bit concerned, really, if I'm honest,

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how long it's taken me to get to this stage,

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but I'm going to carry on.

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I just think that it's going to be quite a competitive case.

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Hopefully, that's not too far away, is it?

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When the Bona Vacantia list is updated,

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we have to assume

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that other people are going to see them

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at the same time as us

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and obviously we'll have to work as fast as we can

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to get ahead of the competition on those cases.

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-And also I ordered that one locally to get her date of birth.

-OK.

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To get things moving,

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Ryan decides they should look into

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John's father's side of the family first.

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His parents' names were Joseph Simm and Mary Rudd.

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By using the 1911 census,

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it looks as though the deceased's father

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may have been an only child,

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so that's good in terms of limiting the research that we need to do.

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With no aunts and uncles to inherit

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on John's father's side of the family,

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the team now move on to his mother's side.

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I've found the records quite easily on this side of the family.

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They've found that John's mother's parents

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were Ernest Bridge and Mary Kirkham.

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-Yeah, I got that, and it gave me...

-OK.

-..this information.

-OK.

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Their searches reveal that John's mother, Violet,

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was the first of four daughters born between 1913 and 1923

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in the North West of England.

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Are they meant to still be alive?

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She could...yeah, she could still be alive.

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Although it's unlikely Violet's sisters are still alive,

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the team need to be sure, so they're looking for death records.

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OK. Are we good to...?

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-I'll just go back and check over them to see...

-Yeah.

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Their next step is to look for marriages

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which would help them find any children if they had them.

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This one

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and they had found a better match

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-for a different marriage.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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I was initially slightly panicking

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given that I couldn't find any marriages and deaths

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for the maternal aunts in Warrington,

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which is where they're born.

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But had a bit of a dig around

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and found out there's a different registration district

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they have been using for their marriages,

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which is Newton-le-Willows in Lancashire.

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It's quite near to Warrington.

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That was kind of the breakthrough I needed to descend the lines

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cos it helped me find the marriages

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and then gave me the surnames needed for the birth searches.

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It's going to be better to get the one death back

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than...all the possible marriages.

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-Yeah.

-They might just say...

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They might just make us think he's a bachelor or something.

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At least then we'd know.

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In their searches,

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the team has found something interesting

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about Violet's youngest sister, Joyce.

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She had married a William John Spry in 1956.

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They moved from the North West to Devon because of William's job

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in the Admiralty Constabulary or naval police.

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Begun by Samuel Pepys in 1686,

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the force has a long history.

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The principles of the Constabulary was to look after MOD property,

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to stop theft from the properties.

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For centuries, the Navy, Army and Air Force

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all had their own constabularies.

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At the time when Mr Spry was in the Admiralty Constabulary,

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there was around 2,000 employees, constables,

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at...I believe it was around 115 different establishments

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throughout the country.

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But unfortunately for law enforcers like William Spry,

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constabulary's days were numbered.

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There was several closing in the late '50s and early '60s,

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which meant that he had to move with the job,

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as any service personnel would have done.

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And by 1965, with the formation of the Ministry of Defence,

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the constabulary's days were over.

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The Navy, the Air Force and the Army services were brought together

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and became the Ministry of Defence Police

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we still have today.

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So, the force

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that you see today is responsible for providing

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unique specialist policing,

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protecting some of the most valuable assets of the nation,

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both in defence and in critical national infrastructure,

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such as energy installations and places like GCHQ.

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The force is very different from any other police force

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in that most police forces have a very small number of officers

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who are highly trained firearms officers.

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For us, it's very different.

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90% of our roles and responsibilities

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involve countering the counter-terrorism threat,

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so therefore 90% of our officers are armed officers.

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William Spry was with the Ministry of Defence Police

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up until he died in 1970.

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But could she have married before? Is this what we're thinking as well?

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Back in the office,

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the team have discovered that William's wife, Joyce, John's aunt,

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had passed away in 2003.

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But she had two children, who would be John's cousins

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and potential heirs to his estate.

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Given that we're a couple hours into the search,

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I'd be very surprised if the person I'm about to call

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hasn't been contacted by someone else.

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But fingers crossed.

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It's not going to be a huge family tree,

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so...it would be nice just to speak to them

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before anybody else, hopefully.

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Hello, good morning, this is a message for Mr Derek Spry.

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It's Ryan Gregory.

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If you could kindly give us a call back in the office.

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Like I said, it's in relation to an inheritance matter.

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Thank you very much. Bye-bye.

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So, get someone to go there and someone to go there.

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'Some of the biggest frustrations'

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in working a case when you know it's competitive

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are the little delays that happen along the way

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that are not our fault.

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For example, if we're trying to get hold of a particular person

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who we believe could be a beneficiary,

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and they're out or away or on holiday,

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it can really slow things down

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and obviously give the competition time to catch up with us.

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But it seems Ryan might be in luck.

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I have Derek on the phone for you.

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The one I just phoned? OK. Cool.

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Hello, Ryan speaking. Is that Mr Spry?

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Tha...that's OK. Thanks for getting back to me. OK.

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Ryan may have made contact with what could be the first heir,

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but will the team be able to stay ahead of the competition?

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Yeah, it's a matter of hours that they'll be followed up

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by someone from another firm.

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Or will they lose out?

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And he said that he has already been contacted

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by five other companies today.

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The next case concerns a man called Charles Edward Gray.

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He was born on 22nd December 1943 in Glasgow,

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but spent much of his life living in Teignmouth, Devon.

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A popular character around town,

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Charles, or Charlie, as he was known,

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was captain of the local bowling club.

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Well, I met Charlie

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in 2004 when I joined this bowling club

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and got to know him reasonably well,

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mainly in the little place over there, the London,

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where I used to convince him it was a good idea to buy me a pint.

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Unfortunately, he had the attitude where I should buy him one as well,

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so it used to be quite exciting from time to time.

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Another bowling friend, Bev Bell, knew Charlie for eight years.

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He was always first

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to buy a round, which always went down rather well.

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He was also generous with his time.

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Whenever we went to an away match,

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everyone always came up to Charlie, shook his hands.

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They all knew him.

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He definitely left an impression on everyone.

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But bowling hadn't always been central to Charlie's life.

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In 1959, he joined the Army and became a Royal Engineer,

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serving in Germany and Yemen.

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He later worked as a publican and hotelier

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eventually settling in Teignmouth.

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Sadly on Christmas morning in 2014, Charlie passed away.

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On that Christmas, he was coming to my house

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where we'd got a meal ready for him,

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and it was all rather traumatic, shall we say.

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And testament to Charlie's popularity,

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the whole community turned out to bid him farewell.

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You've only got to look at when we had the service for him

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in the local church.

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And that the vicar - not me - the vicar said,

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"Well, we've got 260 seats," and I had to bring in more.

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He seemed to be memorable to a lot of people

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and a lot of people made a big effort

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to make sure that they made his funeral.

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Having passed away with no known next of kin,

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Charlie's estate was advertised

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on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list.

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The gist of it is we just need to resend agreements to both of them.

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It was picked up by case manager Richard Fryer

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of London heir hunting firm Hoopers.

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The first thing we would do would be

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to check if there seems be any potential value in such an estate.

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So, the first thing we did then was to look at land registry records

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which show that Charlie Gray

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actually owned a property in Teignmouth,

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which was a guest house

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which seemed to contain a variety of self-contained flats.

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Charlie's property meant his estate had a value of around £350,000.

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Obviously, if there is a property in an estate we're researching,

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it gives the opportunity for potential beneficiaries

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to benefit in a much larger way than they would otherwise -

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in a way that could be life-changing for certain individuals.

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Have we covered all the censuses and everything...?

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The first thing the team needed to establish

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was whether Charlie had been married.

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We made some enquiries in Teignmouth,

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and we found out that Charlie had been predeceased

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by his partner, Wendy Valentine.

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And as the team discovered,

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Wendy was something of a celebrity -

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an actress previously married to

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'50s singing sensation, Dickie Valentine,

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who was tragically killed in a car crash in 1971.

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Yeah, I wrote to her on Friday.

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Case manager Abigail Rising looked into the relationship

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between Charlie and Wendy.

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We found that Charlie had been

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living with Wendy up till her death in 2001.

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We were unable to find any marriages for Charlie and Wendy,

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and we were pretty confident that Charlie hadn't been married before

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and didn't have any children.

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This meant the heir hunters needed to expand the search.

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We knew that Charlie had been born in Glasgow,

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so, knowing this, we contacted our researcher in Edinburgh

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in the hope that she would be able to find a record of his birth,

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and she came up with the goods and found a record of his birth in 1943

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in Campsie, which is just to the north of Glasgow.

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So, when we were able to view this,

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we found that his mother's name is listed as

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a Jean Phillips Stables Gray.

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But, interestingly, there's no father

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listed on his birth certificate.

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But the team could also see quite clearly

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on Charlie's birth certificate

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that his mother's surname, Gray, was her married name.

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Her maiden name was Michie.

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Can't think of any off...

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I saw something on the list the other day, actually.

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I'll make sure we've got it.

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They looked for a marriage and found that Charlie's mother, Jean,

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had married a Donald Gray in 1929, when she was 22.

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They didn't have any children,

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and unfortunately, they divorced in 1940.

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So, with Charlie's birth certificate,

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yes, he's born in the surname Gray, but there's no father stated,

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and therefore his is an illegitimate birth.

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With Charlie born three years after his mother's divorce

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from her only husband,

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it's unlikely he was Donald Gray's son.

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So, he said we're waiting on one certificate now.

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Jean herself appears to have kept the surname,

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so it was probably the most socially acceptable name to give her son.

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Let me show you this case.

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When a mother has divorced and hasn't changed their name

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but goes on to have further children with another gentleman,

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it's difficult sometimes to identify her children.

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Having discounted his father's side of the family,

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the team checked to see if they could find

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any other children Jean may have had.

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It's half-blood from the paternal.

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These half-blood siblings would be the first in line

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to inherit from Charlie's estate.

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A search of the birth records using just Charlie's mother's surname Gray

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or her maiden name, which is Michie,

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revealed no other births,

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and therefore, with no siblings or father's name to work with,

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that just left research to do

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on Charlie's mother's side of the family.

0:18:350:18:38

The search for heirs now had to move back a generation

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to any aunts, uncles or cousins of Charlie.

0:18:410:18:45

Yep, OK. Great. That's brilliant. Thanks a lot.

0:18:450:18:47

But when the team looked for Charlie's mother's birth certificate,

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they couldn't find one.

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Travelling researcher Jonathan Wright

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was despatched to a records office

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in the hope of finding out more from certificates.

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Jean Gray's death certificate

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was to be found in the Scottish death indexes.

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Fortunately, Scottish death certificates are very detailed.

0:19:090:19:12

They actually give information regarding the person's parents.

0:19:120:19:16

So, although we didn't have...we weren't able to locate

0:19:160:19:20

a birth certificate for Jean Gray,

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nevertheless, we did know her parents' names

0:19:220:19:24

from her death certificate.

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This enabled us to locate Jean with the parents

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on the 1911 Scottish Census.

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I've anticipated your call.

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'English certificates -'

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birth, marriage, deaths -

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are pretty good as far as information is concerned,

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but Scottish certificates have a lot more information available.

0:19:450:19:49

They give a lot more details of parents

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and sometimes divorce details.

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Just a lot more information that we can use in our research.

0:19:530:19:56

The team at Hoopers found that the Census was also useful

0:20:010:20:04

in resolving the issue of Jean's missing birth certificate.

0:20:040:20:08

Well, a fairly revealing aspect of the 1911 Census

0:20:080:20:11

that explains why we weren't able to find Jean Michie's birth entry -

0:20:110:20:16

she was actually born in Cape Colony, in South Africa.

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And they also found the reason for Jean's South African birth.

0:20:210:20:24

It was tied to the career of her father,

0:20:240:20:26

Charles' grandfather, Harry Michie.

0:20:260:20:29

We were able to locate a copy of an Army recruitment form

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for Harry Michie, Jean Michie's father,

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dated 15th January 1900.

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A month later, he was fighting in the Boer War in South Africa.

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This war in South Africa was between the British Empire

0:20:480:20:51

and the descendants of Dutch, German and French settlers,

0:20:510:20:54

who were called the Boers.

0:20:540:20:56

The Boer War was a bush conflict.

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The Boers were renowned fighters. They were, after all farmers.

0:21:000:21:03

They knew how to shoot and how to run horses,

0:21:030:21:05

and that proved very effective in a mobile war,

0:21:050:21:07

which this was, against the British.

0:21:070:21:08

The British were deeply unhappy of the guerrilla tactics

0:21:080:21:11

the Boers used - this was very unsportsmanlike.

0:21:110:21:13

The idea of basically hiding behind a hill

0:21:130:21:15

and taking a sharp shooter shot at a British soldier

0:21:150:21:17

and then hiding behind the hill again

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was something you were not trained to do in the British Army.

0:21:190:21:22

Military records show that Harry Michie

0:21:220:21:25

was in a Scottish regiment called the Gordon Highlanders.

0:21:250:21:29

The Victorians identified various populations around the world

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as being natural warriors and, for instance, in India,

0:21:320:21:34

they found it was the Gurkhas in Nepal

0:21:340:21:36

and in Britain, it was the Highlanders.

0:21:360:21:40

I think it's very possible Harry Michie joined in January 1900

0:21:400:21:43

out of a sort of patriotic zeal

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brought on by observing the fact that

0:21:440:21:46

Britain was actually doing badly in the war

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and there was a need to rise to the defence of the Empire.

0:21:480:21:51

It's also important to realise that he's passed as fit,

0:21:510:21:53

and nine out of ten recruits

0:21:530:21:55

who actually tried to enlist during the Boer War

0:21:550:21:58

were found not to be physically fit.

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So, the fact he was actually a fit young man

0:22:000:22:02

probably gave him an advantage.

0:22:020:22:04

In May 1901, Harry headed back to the UK.

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But it wasn't the last he would see of South Africa.

0:22:080:22:11

It seems reasonable to assume that

0:22:110:22:13

Harry's time in the Army in South Africa

0:22:130:22:15

led to his decision to go back there.

0:22:150:22:18

And in 1905, he married Jane Bisset Steele there in South Africa.

0:22:180:22:24

Charlie's mother Jean was born two years later

0:22:240:22:26

and census records show a growing family.

0:22:260:22:30

By the time Jean's brother Harry was born in 1910,

0:22:300:22:34

the family had moved back to Renfrew, in Scotland.

0:22:340:22:37

And from these few documents -

0:22:380:22:39

birth certificate, death certificate, the census entry -

0:22:390:22:43

we're able to build a fuller picture of the family

0:22:430:22:47

and their movements during this particular period of time.

0:22:470:22:50

Along with Jean and her brother Harry, Harry Sr and Jane

0:22:520:22:56

had gone on to have another four children,

0:22:560:22:58

making five aunts and uncles

0:22:580:23:00

who we've found could be Charlie's heirs.

0:23:000:23:03

But as the team delved deeper,

0:23:030:23:05

it seemed another overseas war might jeopardise their chances.

0:23:050:23:09

Short of killing them, you've got to do something with them.

0:23:090:23:12

Every year in the UK, thousands of people receive a surprise

0:23:180:23:22

knock on the door from the heir hunters.

0:23:220:23:25

It makes me feel very sad that we didn't know

0:23:250:23:27

that we had all these relatives.

0:23:270:23:30

Today, we have details of two unclaimed estates

0:23:300:23:33

on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia list.

0:23:330:23:35

The first is that of Ernestine Georgina Agnes Burnham,

0:23:380:23:42

who passed away at the age of 76

0:23:420:23:44

in Hatfield, Hertfordshire, on 14th September 1990.

0:23:440:23:49

She was born in Cologne, in Germany, on 23rd March 1923.

0:23:500:23:55

Ernestine's German mother, Katherina Walterscheidt,

0:23:570:24:00

was a concert singer, and her father,

0:24:000:24:03

William Ernest Spencer Burnham,

0:24:030:24:05

was a jockey from Thirtleby, near Hull, in Yorkshire.

0:24:050:24:08

They married on 22nd September 1920 in Cologne.

0:24:100:24:13

Ernestine is thought to be their only child

0:24:150:24:18

and came to England in 1947, when she would have been 24.

0:24:180:24:22

She lived with an aunt called Evelyn Langston,

0:24:230:24:25

a professor at the Royal Academy Of Music.

0:24:250:24:28

Could there be links to Ernestine Burnham in your family?

0:24:300:24:33

Do you now anyone of that name?

0:24:330:24:35

The next unclaimed estate is that of Catherine Dovanski,

0:24:410:24:44

also known as Dovancki.

0:24:440:24:46

She died on 16th June 2008 in Todmorden, West Yorkshire, aged 81.

0:24:460:24:52

Catherine was born on 7th December 1926, in the Irish Republic,

0:24:520:24:58

and is thought to have worked in the textile industry.

0:24:580:25:01

She was a widow and her husband's name was Guyla Dovancki.

0:25:010:25:05

They are believed to have had one daughter

0:25:060:25:09

but no other details are known about her.

0:25:090:25:11

Do you know anything that could be the key to solving this case?

0:25:120:25:16

If you think you might be related to either of these people,

0:25:170:25:20

you would need to make a claim on their estate

0:25:200:25:22

through the Government Legal Department.

0:25:220:25:25

Once again, the names of the cases we're trying to solve

0:25:250:25:27

with your help today are...

0:25:270:25:31

Heir hunting firm Finders have been looking into the unclaimed estate

0:25:450:25:49

of John Leslie Simm, who was well regarded by friends

0:25:490:25:52

in the seaside town of Highcliffe, in Dorset, where he lived.

0:25:520:25:55

I will immensely miss him.

0:25:560:25:58

Because of the banter we used to have.

0:25:580:26:01

And the camaraderie we had.

0:26:010:26:03

Ryan has been struggling to get hold of one of John's cousins, Derek,

0:26:040:26:07

but has finally made contact.

0:26:070:26:09

He knew John, who passed away. Erm, he knew John's wife as well.

0:26:110:26:17

He was able to confirm that John didn't have any children

0:26:170:26:19

and that John was an only child.

0:26:190:26:21

So, it looks as though there's just five maternal heirs

0:26:210:26:24

and it could be that there's just five heirs in total.

0:26:240:26:28

Oh, right. Are you OK to talk?

0:26:280:26:30

And the team also managed to make contact with Derek's sister.

0:26:310:26:35

OK.

0:26:350:26:36

Would you prefer if we gave you a call back...later on?

0:26:360:26:40

Both have agreed to have visits from the travelling researchers.

0:26:420:26:45

I'm after Holly. We're just going to arrange the visit that we need.

0:26:470:26:51

We've got long enough to get all the paperwork drawn up,

0:26:510:26:54

which is good, for the visit.

0:26:540:26:57

To see one of the maternal cousins.

0:26:570:26:59

The other one wants a visit in two days' time.

0:26:590:27:03

Which is not ideal, but you've got to work around people's schedules.

0:27:030:27:06

Where a probate genealogy firm

0:27:060:27:08

and we look into deceased people without next of kin.

0:27:080:27:11

And I believe that he may be the next of kin.

0:27:110:27:13

We're first to speak to the heirs that I've spoken to

0:27:130:27:16

but I know that within the next...

0:27:160:27:18

It's a matter of hours that they'll be followed up

0:27:200:27:22

by someone from another firm.

0:27:220:27:24

So far, it's good news with John Simm's mother's family.

0:27:260:27:30

The team has managed to make contact with four heirs on this side

0:27:300:27:34

and travelling researcher Phil is on his way to meet with Derek.

0:27:340:27:37

I think he knew him perhaps as a younger person

0:27:370:27:41

and he is a maternal cousin of the deceased.

0:27:410:27:46

At the office, Ryan is anxious

0:27:460:27:48

Phil gets to meet Derek as quickly as he can.

0:27:480:27:51

I'm expecting there to be competition.

0:27:510:27:54

It's very rare. I mean...

0:27:540:27:56

It doesn't happen that you don't have any competition

0:27:560:27:58

on these type of cases any more.

0:27:580:28:00

All he can do is wait.

0:28:000:28:02

But while Ryan has some lunch,

0:28:020:28:04

Amy makes a discovery that could alter everything.

0:28:040:28:08

So, Ryan asked me to confirm the size of the paternal family

0:28:080:28:12

because originally, he thought that the deceased father

0:28:120:28:15

was an only child.

0:28:150:28:16

But it turns out that the deceased father was actually

0:28:160:28:19

an only child in 1911.

0:28:190:28:21

His parents had actually only married in 1909.

0:28:210:28:24

So, then they went on to have some more children.

0:28:240:28:26

As a result of doing birth records searches after 1911,

0:28:270:28:31

Amy has found out that John's grandparents on his father's side

0:28:310:28:35

had five more children.

0:28:350:28:36

With this whole side of the family opening up, the pressure is on

0:28:370:28:41

to try and contact their children, who would be potential heirs.

0:28:410:28:44

I just have a few questions for him,

0:28:460:28:47

just to check I've got the right person.

0:28:470:28:49

Thank you.

0:28:510:28:52

I managed to speak to a paternal cousin of John Leslie Simm.

0:28:520:28:57

And he said that he has already been contacted

0:28:570:29:00

by five other companies today.

0:29:000:29:02

Erm, and a company went round and visited him as well.

0:29:020:29:06

But he did confirm that he knew the deceased

0:29:060:29:09

and he was aware that he passed away.

0:29:090:29:11

So we know that we've definitely got the right family.

0:29:110:29:14

It looks like Ryan's early decision

0:29:140:29:15

to focus on the mother's side of the family was probably the wrong one.

0:29:150:29:20

When we work on a case

0:29:200:29:21

and we find that the people we believe to be the heirs

0:29:210:29:23

have already been retained by another company,

0:29:230:29:26

we don't just leave it there.

0:29:260:29:27

In many cases, what we'll do is just double-check over the research

0:29:270:29:30

to make sure that nothing's been missed.

0:29:300:29:32

I think at this point, this side has already...

0:29:330:29:37

This side must have been already done by the other companies,

0:29:370:29:41

whereas we decided to go for the Bridge family first. I think...

0:29:410:29:47

Hopefully, there might be some people

0:29:470:29:48

that we're going in there first with.

0:29:480:29:50

-It's definitely worth going on.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:29:500:29:53

You can't... You can't just give up like that.

0:29:530:29:55

Ryan gets the news now he's back from lunch.

0:29:550:29:58

The family tree has kind of doubled in size since I've gone.

0:29:580:30:02

Erm, now we were always going to come back to the paternal side

0:30:020:30:06

anyway, given that we'd only pinpointed them on the 1911 census.

0:30:060:30:09

So we are playing catch-up on this side of the family

0:30:090:30:12

whereas on the other side, we are the first to contact.

0:30:120:30:15

So that's sometimes the way it's goes.

0:30:150:30:17

In Woking, travelling researcher Phil

0:30:200:30:23

is finally at the home of John's cousin, Derek Spry.

0:30:230:30:26

We met Olive, John's wife,

0:30:290:30:31

-when we were kids.

-Yes.

0:30:310:30:33

And she was quite a bit

0:30:330:30:34

-older than him.

-Yes.

0:30:340:30:36

So, they never had children.

0:30:360:30:37

Yes, and that's why this has gone back up, back up the bloodline.

0:30:370:30:42

-It's brought the family together a little bit now.

-Yeah.

0:30:420:30:44

-They started speaking to each other a little bit.

-Well, do you know?

0:30:440:30:47

-Often these tragedies...

-Yes.

-A death in the family does that.

0:30:470:30:51

But one little thing, and it's something they do

0:30:510:30:53

at the end of these processes, a family tree.

0:30:530:30:55

Yeah, my sister said that.

0:30:550:30:56

-And it's... It's just there. It's gratis, it's nothing.

-It's nice.

0:30:560:30:59

And it's just for you.

0:30:590:31:01

-I will make a note that you would like the family tree.

-Please.

0:31:010:31:04

-That's us, business concluded.

-Thanks very much.

0:31:040:31:07

Well, thanks very much.

0:31:070:31:08

I, I knew John when I was a small child.

0:31:080:31:11

He was my eldest cousin, I believe.

0:31:110:31:14

And he married Olive and we had a rapport as children.

0:31:140:31:19

I also remember him as tall and dressed in a suit

0:31:190:31:22

and a smart-looking bloke.

0:31:220:31:24

Erm, that's the only memories I can really remember.

0:31:240:31:27

He did visit when he was older and he was just

0:31:270:31:31

a really, really nice person.

0:31:310:31:33

Very polite.

0:31:330:31:34

And with Derek signing up with the heir hunters,

0:31:350:31:38

Phil gives Ryan the good news.

0:31:380:31:40

He was really interested in the family tree side of it at the end.

0:31:410:31:46

-OVER PHONE:

-'Of course. OK, that's definitely something

0:31:460:31:48

-'we can send one out to him as well.'

-Excellent, that's...

0:31:480:31:51

-It all went very well.

-'Good job.

0:31:510:31:52

-'Thank you very much for checking it out, mate.'

-No problem at all.

0:31:520:31:55

-Thanks, Ryan.

-'OK, take care.'

-Cheers, bye, bye.

0:31:550:31:58

This is such a lovely job, working like this. Erm, so for...

0:31:580:32:03

I've got nothing particularly planned now so I'll go home now

0:32:030:32:06

and see what the day brings.

0:32:060:32:08

Back at the office, the whole team are trying to work out exactly

0:32:120:32:15

how many heirs there are on the father's side

0:32:150:32:18

of John Simm's family.

0:32:180:32:20

Proper sleuthing at the moment.

0:32:200:32:21

We're just trying to find this paternal heir.

0:32:210:32:24

The 70-year-old cousin of John's is in a care home.

0:32:260:32:29

But Ryan needs to find out what it's called.

0:32:290:32:32

She's not married so I can't just drop down and try

0:32:320:32:35

and find any children to contact. So, um...

0:32:350:32:38

I feel like if I just ring around the nursing homes in the area,

0:32:380:32:41

that she should be in there.

0:32:410:32:43

We might find someone that can help us

0:32:430:32:46

arrange a visit with her.

0:32:460:32:48

We've one down, two to go.

0:32:480:32:49

It's been a long day's search and by six o'clock,

0:32:520:32:55

time to call it a night for now.

0:32:550:32:58

It's all to... To kind of play for, if you like.

0:32:580:33:00

There's one person who's signed with the competition.

0:33:020:33:06

So, I mean, there's nothing we can do about that. It's...

0:33:080:33:11

one of those things that happen in these types of cases.

0:33:110:33:14

So, I'm not sure.

0:33:140:33:15

It's going to be a matter of coming back into the office tomorrow

0:33:150:33:18

and seeing what the feedback is from the representatives throughout

0:33:180:33:21

visiting the various beneficiaries.

0:33:210:33:23

The next day, after a late night out on the road

0:33:240:33:27

for the travelling researchers, Ryan is feeling hopeful.

0:33:270:33:31

So, we found out by visiting one of the paternal heirs

0:33:310:33:36

that actually, there was about double the number of beneficiaries

0:33:360:33:40

in that side of the family than we had thought previously.

0:33:400:33:43

Now, he was able to give us

0:33:430:33:45

quite a lot of information on the family tree.

0:33:450:33:47

The only drawback being that he'd given the same information

0:33:470:33:50

to the other firm who were working the case a number of hours earlier.

0:33:500:33:54

In the end, Ryan and the team found nine heirs on John Simm's

0:33:540:33:57

father's side and five on his mother's side of the family.

0:33:570:34:01

On reflection of the case of John Leslie Simm,

0:34:010:34:04

it would be potentially easy for us to be disappointed

0:34:040:34:07

that whilst we firstly focused our research on the maternal side,

0:34:070:34:11

the competition focused their research

0:34:110:34:13

on the paternal side of the family.

0:34:130:34:15

So, it was just fate, the way that it happens.

0:34:150:34:17

Another case that won't remain with the Crown

0:34:170:34:20

and we're very happy with the way it went.

0:34:200:34:23

But for heir Derek Spry,

0:34:230:34:24

he's still coming to terms with the sad news about his cousin John.

0:34:240:34:28

I said that, actually.

0:34:280:34:29

I'm shocked that there was no-one for him to leave it to.

0:34:290:34:32

And I find it sad that the estate's been left like this.

0:34:320:34:36

Because obviously, there's no-one to carry it on.

0:34:360:34:39

In London, heir hunting firm Hoopers is investigating

0:34:510:34:55

the £350,000 estate of Charlie Gray.

0:34:550:34:59

I spoke to him around Thursday, I think, didn't I?

0:34:590:35:03

A former military man and keen bowls player, Charlie had passed away

0:35:030:35:07

at home on Christmas Day 2014 and was sorely missed by friends.

0:35:070:35:12

He was...

0:35:120:35:14

the sort of bloke who would do anything for anyone.

0:35:140:35:18

I think the classic Charlie would be generous,

0:35:190:35:22

both of spirit and of money.

0:35:220:35:27

With no known father of Charlie's to look into,

0:35:290:35:31

the team had moved back through the generations

0:35:310:35:34

of Charlie's mother's family in their search for heirs.

0:35:340:35:37

What's going on? Anything?

0:35:370:35:38

I suppose if you're eliminating one side of the family,

0:35:380:35:43

ie the paternal family, then there's more chance

0:35:430:35:47

that you're going to end up with no relatives at all

0:35:470:35:51

because you're immediately halving your chances.

0:35:510:35:54

The team have found that Charlie's mother, Jean Michie,

0:35:540:35:57

was born in South Africa in 1907

0:35:570:36:00

after her father had fought there in the Boer War.

0:36:000:36:03

Well, from that point on, our work was much more straightforward

0:36:030:36:06

because, as we'd ascertained that the family had returned to Scotland,

0:36:060:36:11

Harry and Jane went on to have a further five children in the area.

0:36:110:36:15

And as the families of the five aunts

0:36:150:36:17

and uncles were uncovered, so too were the Army connections.

0:36:170:36:21

So, Charlie's uncle, Charles Edward Michie,

0:36:210:36:24

was born in 1912,

0:36:240:36:26

meaning he would be in his late 20s at the outbreak of World War II,

0:36:260:36:31

making it highly likely he would have seen service.

0:36:310:36:34

The team's searches found that uncle Charles had gone to Malaya

0:36:360:36:40

as a mechanical engineer for a tin dredging company in the 1930s.

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Someone who came from Scotland, specifically Renfrew,

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would have come from a place

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with very strong links to Southeast Asia.

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The Clyde was strong on shipbuilding

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and that included dredges, for dredging rivers

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and also for dredging alluvial deposits of tin.

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But on the eve of World War II in 1938,

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he was enlisted into the Allied Volunteer Forces.

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By February 1942, Charles had been captured by the Japanese

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and became a prisoner of war.

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The Japanese didn't have any choice taking prisoners.

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They had defeated a large British force,

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they had in excess of 110,000 men.

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Short of killing them, you've got to do something with them.

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And the Japanese approach was to put them in huge holding camps

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and then distribute them to places where they could put them

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to work in a way that would help the war effort.

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The Allied prisoners of war were sent to many types of camp.

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The main one being Changi, in Singapore.

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Changi ranged from about 50,000 peak prisoners to 5,000 at its minimum.

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Prisoners were sent out either to working parties to build

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the Thai Burma railway, or to elsewhere in Singapore

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to build monuments, to help with aerodromes.

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By the end of the war, more than 30,000 prisoners,

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almost a quarter of those captured, had died.

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As the Japanese got more desperate, they speeded up the work

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until people might be working 12, 18 hours under severe pressure.

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The most common causes of death would have been things

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such as dysentery or cholera, possibly malaria.

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But all of this contributed to by severe state of malnourishment

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as the war went on.

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So that people just wouldn't have had the resistance

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and the ability to fight off these diseases.

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In the office, the team have discovered

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that Charlie's uncle Charles was one of the lucky ones.

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He survived being a prisoner of war and on his return to Scotland,

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went on to marry Elizabeth Bannatyne Dickson in 1946.

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They had their only child in 1950.

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I think that one's tied up now, isn't it, more or less?

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I believe it is, yeah.

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The team had found their first heir.

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And from Charlie's remaining aunts and uncles, there could be more.

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So, I'll let you know if there are any developments in that regard.

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The team had found that Margaret Michie died aged two,

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but Harry, James and Mary had all gone on to have children.

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One of Mary Michie's three children is Pat Hall,

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a cousin of Charlie's who was shocked to hear of his death.

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Well, it was...

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It was devastating.

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Because we'd been trying to get in touch with him.

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You know, because it was his birthday

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and it was Christmas and everything.

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And we were going to go down and see him after the New Year.

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But we hadn't been able to make arrangements

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because we hadn't been able to get a hold of him.

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We'd phoned but we hadn't heard from him.

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And then to hear that news.

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Well, it was just so shocking, it was terrible.

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And to think that he was on his own. That was what was the horrible part.

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You know, that he was on his own when it happened.

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I know it happened quick.

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But...it...

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It just seemed so sad. We were sad, really sad.

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There's Charlie.

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Pat is less than a year younger than her cousin Charlie,

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who was godfather to her children.

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Charlie and I were close.

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I mean, we didn't see each other for years in between

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but...you know, when you are close to someone,

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it doesn't matter if you don't see them for years, does it?

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You know, you... You're just there, it's like yesterday.

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We'd see Charlie maybe once, twice a year.

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Erm, we went down to Devon as a family.

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We had a lovely time when we saw him.

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There we are. No more.

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Back at the office in London, the team are making contact

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with the rest of the heirs to Charlie's estate.

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Our business is to trace the beneficiaries

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in the estates where...

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In the end, it was a good result for Richard and his team.

0:41:320:41:35

Well, this was a very interesting,

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satisfying case.

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Although, in theory, we only had half a case to research

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because Charlie's father wasn't stated on his birth certificate,

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there was still some challenging research

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and we found 12 heirs in all, two of whom had emigrated to Australia.

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And I'm pleased to say that the family will be inheriting

0:41:490:41:52

Charlie's estate rather than it eventually passing to the Crown.

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But for Charlie's friends and family, it had been a time

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to reflect and remember the man who had been a big part of their lives.

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He knew a lot of people in this village

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and a lot of people knew him.

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Erm, and he was respected by all.

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I will always remember Charlie with a certain amount of affection, yes.

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I miss him tremendously, and the club misses him tremendously.

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He's been a terrible loss to the club.

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He was a glue which held the three sections of the club together.

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He was one of the good people in this world. That's for sure.

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He was very kind.

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He was happy-go-lucky as well.

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Also quite serious about things too.

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But he was a lovely person.

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One you would really call the salt of the earth, Charlie was.

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