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Today, the heir hunters are trying to discover

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the worth of a high-value estate.

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We have a guide of 125.

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Anything above that will be really good news.

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But there's confusion from the off.

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The problem we initially had to resolve is which estate

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were we researching, was it Patricia or Ivor's?

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Another team are surprised when they find their first heir.

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She was still alive at the ripe old age of 100.

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But for the families and friends...

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I feel like I've lost...lost a best friend.

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..it's a time for reminiscing.

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He was always wanting to make people happy.

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The job of an heir hunter is to try and find rightful heirs

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to an estate that's been left behind

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when someone dies without making a will.

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The value of the estate increases

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when the person who has died owned a property.

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So we're in the Landmark Hotel

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for a London auction house, auction sale,

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and we have the two properties on the Griffiths case,

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where we're hoping we're going to get good interest.

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The Griffiths case has been taken on by London heir hunting firm

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Fraser & Fraser.

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-I spoke to her, she phoned in.

-Right.

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It's a private referral with the details of two people -

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Patricia Griffiths and Ivor Griffiths.

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Dave Slee was the senior case manager in charge

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when this unusual case came in.

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The problem we initially had to resolve is which estate were

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we researching, was it Patricia or Ivor's?

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They're focusing on Patricia Griffiths first,

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as they know she passed away on the 24th of June, 2014,

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in Weymouth.

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When we delved deeper into the background of Patricia,

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we surprisingly found that not only was she was the owner

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of one property but indeed

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another property that was in close proximity to the first.

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This is a high-valued estate and meant that the whole

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of the company was involved in researching for next of kin.

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Patricia's death certificate was ordered.

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And in the research room,

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Josh Crawford is going through records concerning the house

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that could have been Patricia's home address.

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We're just going to look at some of the electoral history

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of the address in Weymouth

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to see how long they were living there for so that we can work out

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if they are married or maybe brother and sister, or something like that.

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You wouldn't have thought he'd be taking on a surname at that stage.

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The electoral rolls are invaluable for us because that's something

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that pins down where someone is living.

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So when we're trying to trace someone, an individual,

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an heir, we need to know where they were living,

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and electoral rolls really help in that.

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Records show that Ivor and Patricia had been living together

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at one of the houses.

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And then there's another note here.

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The team try to work out if Patricia and Ivor were married.

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We have a hit on a Ivor T Griffiths

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marrying a Patricia S D'Arcy

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in 1983, in Weymouth, so that looks really good for us.

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They can't find a birth record for a Patricia D'Arcy that matches

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the date of birth Patricia Griffiths has given on the electoral roll.

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OK, cool, I will. All right, bye.

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So they looked to see if Patricia had married a Mr D'Arcy.

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Right, so there is a marriage in Weymouth of a Patricia S Allen

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to a Mr D'Arcy in the December quarter, in 1960, in Weymouth.

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To me, that's a good indication that that's going to be

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her first marriage. But obviously, we'd still have to check to see

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if there is a corresponding birth to a Patricia S Allen,

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so we know that we've definitely got the right person.

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There's no other births that we can find that...

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Searches confirm the findings

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and a hunt for any children born to Patricia and Ivor comes up negative.

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Do you know what? That's probably why we couldn't find him.

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Case manager Jo Ibrahim thinks the team should now

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turn their attention to Ivor.

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The information which we had was that Patricia

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and Ivor were stated as living together at the same address.

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And from there, we tried to locate where Ivor had moved to,

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because we know that he wasn't there at the time of Patricia's death.

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So from there, we managed to try and see

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if we could locate any sort of records to try and track him down.

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Josh searches for Ivor on the internet.

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And so we found a death notice for an Ivor Thomas Griffiths

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in a paper in Weymouth.

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This guy died in a care home, and it requires further

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investigation to see if it's actually the same person.

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The next day, the records they ordered are in.

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OK, cheers. Thank you.

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Patricia's death certificate

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confirms the research done yesterday,

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but the team have realised that as Ivor died after Patricia,

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the case is much more complex than they originally thought.

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Now we've discovered Mr Griffiths has survived his wife,

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it totally changes the complexion.

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Because Mr Griffiths appeared to have died without leaving a will.

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He's also died intestate.

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But he is a vested interest to his wife's estate,

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because he survived her.

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-That's hard to link it in, wasn't it?

-Yep.

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When we're looking at a vested interest in an estate,

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when the deceased passes away,

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if they're survived by their partner, or their spouse,

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then the estate forms part of their estate.

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So essentially, one estate moves over to the partner.

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And obviously, we then look at the surviving spouse's estate.

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As Ivor had moved out of the family home before Patricia died,

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Jo thinks this may be relevant to their investigation.

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So when we're trying to find any details relating to Ivor,

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one of our first concerns would be whether we could locate

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a divorce record,

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which would mean that he wouldn't be entitled to any Patricia's estate,

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and therefore,

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the estate and who would be entitled to it would change drastically.

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Obviously, it's vested.

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-We need to see if she's left a will or not.

-I've got notes on her.

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And after some searching, the team can find no evidence

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of a divorce, meaning that Ivor was the heir to Patricia's estate.

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The team soon found people who knew Ivor in their hometown of Weymouth.

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Sandra West worked in the local supermarket there.

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He was always popping in and out with his wife, Pat.

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I just thought he was the most fascinating person I'd ever met.

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You know, the number of people

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that come through our door,

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for him, he was absolutely unique.

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And our chats just developed.

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And he'd point his finger and he'd go,

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"Madam, did you know...?"

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And the conversation started from, "Madam, did you know?"

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And he would come out with sort of random facts.

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And if he was talking to a man, it was always sir.

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You know? And my colleagues, he didn't always know them

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by name, so we were always madam or sir.

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Very endearing. It was just... I mean, I could, you know,

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I feel quite welled up just thinking about him now.

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Now that it was clear Patricia had died before Ivor,

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and that the heir hunters would only be focusing

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on finding heirs on Ivor's side...

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I believe it was December.

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..their first step is to see if he had any brothers and sisters,

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and they begin with his birth certificate

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to find his parent's details.

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Griffiths is quite a common name.

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However, we are quite lucky that his name is Ivor T,

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considering that's quite an unusual combination, as first names go.

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So it wasn't actually too difficult to find Ivor's birth.

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Ivor's birth was registered in Surrey.

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His father was William Griffiths

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and his mother was Margaret Gertrude Griffiths,

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formally Dredge.

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-There were two Drudges here, wasn't there?

-Both of them...

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Both of them blank?

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The team set about checking if they had any other children.

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These brothers or sisters of Ivor would be next in line.

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And it's good news.

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We've found one sister by the name of Thelma Griffiths.

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She's born in Kingston. That looks really good.

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Our next step is to work out what happened to Thelma.

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OK, well, thank you so much again.

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We located a marriage of Thelma to a Mr Francis.

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And that marriage resulted in them having one child.

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Unfortunately, this child died a spinster, aged 28,

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so therefore, there were no close relatives or near kin to Ivor,

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which meant we now had to go back to paternal and maternal families.

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They need to search for Ivor's mother's family first.

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So firstly, we needed to obtain a copy

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of Ivor's mother's birth certificate,

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which was on the 5th of November, 1901,

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in the Holborn registration district.

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And that clearly stated she was the daughter of Percival Dredge

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and Gertrude Ellen Dredge, whose maiden name was Henderson.

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The team look at the census records to see if Margaret

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had any brothers or sisters.

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I found them on this 1911 census.

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Her siblings are John Henderson Dredge,

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who was seven,

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Eric George Henderson Dredge, who was five,

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and Clifford Henderson Dredge, who was eight months old.

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They need to find out what has happened to Margaret's

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three brothers.

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If any of them are still alive or had children,

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these would be the heirs the team are looking for.

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All right, so we've found a marriage for Eric Dredge.

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He marries a Janet Clapperton in 1938.

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Unfortunately, Eric dies in 1941.

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We just need to check if he's had any children.

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The team's searches find that Eric didn't have any children,

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so they are focusing on Margaret's two other brothers -

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John and Clifford.

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So with Eric unfortunately passing away without descendents,

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we had to pin our hopes on one of the other brothers.

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And Clifford married Dorothy Bissett in 1939.

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And we soon discovered that they had a most unusual hobby.

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Before they got married,

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Clifford and Dorothy both became civilian pilots.

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People learned to fly

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in the '30s for all sorts of reasons. In the early '30s,

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Clifford probably flew because he wanted to.

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I once asked a man why he joined the London Airplane Club

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in the late '20s, and he thought for a moment, then he said to me,

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"Well, we've done skating." And I think that was rather what it was.

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Between 1925 and 1939,

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around 60 flying clubs were started

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and more than 5,000 pilots were trained.

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The development of the airplane in the '30s for light...light

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airplane clubs, basically,

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started back in 1925 when de Havilland invented the Moth,

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which was the right size, the right price

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and had the right sort of engine in it.

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There's a Moth behind me.

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Clifford and Dorothy would have been flying an airplane very similar

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to this one. This one is a Hermes Moth.

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Clifford and Dorothy were flying Gispy Moths - wooden air frames.

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All the clubs had this kind of airplane, open cockpit biplanes,

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which really lasted until the war.

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Although the team had uncovered a fascinating hobbyist...

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..at the office, they still hadn't found any heirs.

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So if Clifford didn't have any children, it would

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only be John left for any beneficiaries.

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Lot number 87.

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Today, Andrew Fraser is at a property auction in West London,

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where the two properties that Ivor inherited from his late wife,

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Patricia, are being sold.

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My role is to maximise the assets.

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We have a guide of 125.

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Anything above that will be really good news.

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A lot is riding on this auction.

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125. 125 is bid. 30.

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In many of the cases the heir hunters investigate,

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surprising family history is uncovered in their searches

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that heirs know nothing about.

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One of these cases is that of Valerie Linda Nash.

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She was born on the 26th of March, 1936, in Birmingham,

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and grew up in living in the suburb of Great Barr.

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Liz Wallis met Valerie many years ago.

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I can only ever remember Valerie coming to visit us once,

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and I would be about ten years of age.

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And she was probably about

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four to five years older than me.

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But I remember that she was very quiet. She didn't have a lot to say.

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She was tallish, longish hair, I think, and wore glasses.

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But she kept herself very much to herself.

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Valerie died at a nursing home in Birmingham

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on the 17th of February, 2014.

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Her details were advertised

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on the Treasury's Bona Vacantia List in June 2015.

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They were picked up by assistant case manager

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Holly Jones, of London heir hunting firm Finders.

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The Treasury had actually had this information

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on Valerie's estate for over a year

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after her death, before it was released on the list.

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-You can confirm Andrew and Peter?

-Yeah.

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This can happen sometimes.

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They didn't give a reason, in this instance.

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We found from the land registry that Valerie owned her own property,

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and this was valued at about £90,000.

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So quite a good amount for us to be working with,

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making it a competitive case.

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The information on Valerie's death certificate was

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all Holly had to go on.

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To be a good heir hunter,

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I think there are a number of important traits,

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a number of skills that you learn over the years,

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but at the end of the day,

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the most important thing is basic common sense.

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Get the death and marriage certificates, make sure that...

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have a look at those professions. That will be interesting stuff.

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The death certificate informs us that she was unmarried.

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But we searched the marriage records for England

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and Wales to check anyway. And indeed, she was a spinster.

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She was unmarried when she passed away.

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We also checked the birth records for England and Wales,

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and as far as we could see, she didn't have any children either.

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The next heirs entitled would be any brothers

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and sisters Valerie may have.

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-The person that I found, if this is correct, they have children.

-OK.

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The first thing they needed was to find Valerie's birth.

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And senior research manager Amy Littlechild started the hunt.

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Looking for a birth certificate,

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we put in all the names that we can to try and find someone.

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Is it OK if you answer a few of my inquiries at all?

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We also have an exact date of birth from the death.

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So obviously, we need to check around 1936.

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Mainly... She was born in March. It will be around the March,

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June quarters of the years.

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A search of the birth index records

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came up with a match that looked promising.

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So the certificate was ordered.

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It tells us that Valerie,

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again using her middle name of Linda,

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was born on the 26th of March, 1936.

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Again, it goes exactly the same as the death certificate.

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So we've ordered that to see who she left it to.

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The team now had Valerie's parents' names - Horace Henry Nash

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and Linda Lillian Nash, formally Berry.

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They did a birth search to look for any other children

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who would be Valerie's siblings.

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This came up negative, so we're looking at Valerie being

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an only child, and we'll need to go onto the next stage.

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During the research process, it could be relatively easy to

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make a mistake or to overlook a certain key fact, which is

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why it's important that we always emphasise that we double-check

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the family tree, double-check the report,

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make sure that everything's done correctly before we submit

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the results of our research to the estate custodians.

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Having established that Valerie was an only child,

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had never married or had children of her own, the team now need to

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go back a generation and look for Valerie's grandparents.

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They focused on Valerie's mother's family first.

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On the 1911 census, we were able to locate Valerie's mother,

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Linda, living with her parents in Birmingham.

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We now had Valerie's grandmother's name on her maternal side.

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Also living at the address at the time, in 1911, is listed a brother.

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So this would be a maternal uncle to Valerie.

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Valerie's mother's family tree was starting to take shape.

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Linda's father was Arthur Berry.

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Her mother was Agnes Berry, formally Stanton.

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Linda's brother, also called Arthur,

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had been for three years before her.

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The 1911 census tells us that Arthur, Linda's father,

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was a silversmith.

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The family were living in the Brooksfield area of Birmingham.

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Again, this is tying in with the jewellery trade.

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These folks were the ones that they would have needed certs for.

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A census record is a fantastic source

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of information for us, given that it gives us a snapshot of the family

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at that particular time.

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At the time of the 1911 census, the family were living within

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a mile of Birmingham's thriving industry of jewellery production.

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Birmingham's jewellery quarter

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is roughly a square mile of the city,

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just north, northwest of the city centre.

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And for the last 150 years, it's been the main centre of jewellery

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and silverware production in Britain.

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It overtook other centres such as Edinburgh and London,

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mid-19th century, and it grew to become the largest single

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centre of jewellery and silverware production on the planet in 1913.

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At its peak, in the early 1900s,

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the jewellery industry in Birmingham is said to have employed

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around 70,000 people.

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The silversmiths were thought of as being a cut above ordinary artisans.

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They wore very fine clothing and they lived in comfortable houses.

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And they definitely held the position above your general

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artisan in the time.

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Arthur Berry very much would have been in the norm

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in living close to his work.

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If you were a small master, owning your own firm,

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you would very much live and work at home.

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If he was one of the outworkers in a firm,

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he would have been living in the district, certainly.

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And a very wonderful site which you would have seen is that

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when the lunch bell went at one o'clock, the streets

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would go from being deserted to being absolutely festooned

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with people running down the road here to catch the tram

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to Handsworth, the next district along,

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where they'd have their lunch

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and then pile back to the workshops for two o'clock.

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And in that bustle of people, he may have met his future wife,

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as Arthur wasn't the only ancestor of Valerie's who worked

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in the jewellery trade.

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So I haven't put one down for that.

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This one was the only address for this.

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When the team looked at the 1901 census, Valerie's grandmother,

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Agnes, was working as a silver burnisher in the same district.

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Agnes would've been working on various polishing processes

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involving mild abrasives, such as using a substance

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called jeweller's rouge, which is iron oxide.

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It's a mild abrasive

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and it basically brings the full sheen out in the precious metal.

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Having taken the family tree back to Valerie's grandparents,

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the team can now search to see

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if her mother had any other siblings in addition to Arthur.

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After we found the 1911 census,

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we looked for further births for Arthur and Agnes.

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We found out that they had four other children.

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However, we sadly found out that Arthur,

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mentioned on the 1911 census, passed away.

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With four aunts and uncles who, if still alive, could be heirs,

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the search was looking very good and the team has still yet to

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begin on Valerie's father's side of the family.

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Quite an incredible discovery for us. It doesn't happen very often.

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A surprise knock on the door from the heir hunters

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happens to thousands of people every year in the UK.

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It's very strange to inherit from somebody I never knew.

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It would have been nice to know her.

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Today, we have the details of two estates

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on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia List

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that are still unclaimed.

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The first is that of Hilda May Abbott,

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who passed away aged 82 in Birmingham,

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on the 8th of February, 1990.

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She was born in Solihull on the 10th of July, 1907.

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Hilda's parents were Herbert George Abbott

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and Maria Gascoigne.

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They married on the 10th of February, 1908,

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and they both died in the mid-'60s in Solihull.

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The name Abbott is Anglo-Saxon in origin,

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given to a person who is of great importance in a monastery.

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Abbott may also be a nickname applied to someone thought to

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be pious and devout.

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Could there still be family links to Hilda in the West Midlands?

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Do you know anyone of that name?

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The next unclaimed estate is that of Thomas Aherne.

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He was 92 when he passed away, on the 12th of June, 2010,

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in Leicester.

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He was born on the 24th of July, 1917,

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in Ardagh, County Limerick, in Ireland.

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The surname Aherne is of French origin and means lord of horses.

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Do you know anything that could be the key to solving this case?

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If you think you might be related to either of these people,

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you would need to make a claim on their estate through

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the Government Legal Department.

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Once again, the names of the cases we are trying to solve

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with your help today are...

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When's that? 1919 he's born, isn't he?

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In London, the team at Fraser & Fraser are investigating

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the case of Ivor Thomas Griffiths.

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Ivor inherited the estate of his late wife, Patricia Allen,

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when she died two months before him.

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They walked all around the town. They walked so many places.

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And they bumped into so many people.

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People would stop and talk to him.

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Being part of Ivor's world was a privilege, an absolute privilege.

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The first of the two properties that Ivor inherited

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is about to go before the bidders at auction.

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Andrew Fraser is hoping for a good price.

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My role is to maximise the assets.

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We have a guide of 125.

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Anything above that will be really good news.

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Can I say 125? 125 is bid. 130?

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130? Another five? 135. It's with you, 135.

0:24:090:24:13

I'm looking for 140.

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142, madam, is now bid.

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143 for the first time.

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Sold. Well done to you, madam.

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They've gone for £143,000.

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It's a very good result for the estate.

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OK, we now move...

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In the office, the search for any heirs to Ivor's estate

0:24:340:24:37

rested with two of Ivor's uncles - Clifford and John.

0:24:370:24:41

But before they look into them,

0:24:410:24:43

the team decide to look at Ivor's father's side.

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We searched to locate any potential beneficiaries

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on the paternal family.

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It was a lot trickier than the mother's side of the family

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because of the name Griffiths.

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Good news or bad news?

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'Griffiths is a really common name.'

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It's a difficult name to work with.

0:25:020:25:04

Because of that, we need to check all the records.

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We need all of those birth, marriage and death records

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to make sure we're on the right family.

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The advantage of a difficult name is

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it's very difficult for competition to find them as well.

0:25:130:25:15

More work for us, but, you know, hopefully we'll get to the

0:25:150:25:18

correct heirs by researching the family properly.

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To find Ivor's grandfather's name,

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the team looked for Ivor's parents' marriage certificate first.

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So there are three marriages between a Griffiths and a Dredge.

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Now, we know that Ivor was born in 1935.

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The two marriages which we can discount...

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The first reason is that they are both female to male.

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So female Griffiths marrying male Dredges.

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So they don't give the right surname for Ivor.

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But also, there is only one marriage before his birth,

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and that's in 1928 in Romford

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from a William Griffiths to a Margaret Dredge.

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Interestingly enough, it's in Romford and not in Surrey.

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But it's the only logical marriage that's possible,

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so we have to go with it.

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The marriage certificate between Ivor's parents told them

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that Ivor's grandfather was called Thomas Griffiths

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and that he was a builders' merchant.

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I'd have a look. Let me just speak to this guy now.

0:26:130:26:15

Then I can...

0:26:150:26:17

Their next step is to try and find a birth certificate

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for William Griffiths, which would give his mother's name.

0:26:200:26:23

Case Manager Jo Ibrahim took on the mammoth task.

0:26:230:26:27

So we looked through William Griffiths and we tried to

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locate a birth record for him.

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But there were lots of William Griffiths.

0:26:320:26:35

Same goes for the census where there was lots and lots of

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William Griffiths living with a Thomas Griffiths,

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which made our job trying to research that part of the family

0:26:430:26:46

very difficult.

0:26:460:26:47

The team looked closely at William's marriage certificate

0:26:480:26:51

and from that worked out the year of his birth.

0:26:510:26:55

And that's...

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INDISTINCT SPEECH

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But rather than continue to look for a birth record,

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they decided to look for a death record instead.

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What's his mother's maiden name?

0:27:050:27:07

This was a turning point in the investigation

0:27:070:27:10

as it gave an exact date of birth for William.

0:27:100:27:13

William's birth record was found

0:27:150:27:17

which gave them his mother's name -

0:27:170:27:19

Elizabeth Thomas.

0:27:190:27:21

The crucial information on the birth certificate

0:27:210:27:23

was the specific village name where William was born,

0:27:230:27:28

which helped us locate the census records.

0:27:280:27:31

The team are looking at the 1911 census in this part of Wales,

0:27:320:27:36

where he was born, to see if they can find the family.

0:27:360:27:39

And they're crosschecking the details with those from

0:27:390:27:42

Ivor's parents' marriage certificate.

0:27:420:27:44

We've managed to link Thomas' occupation as

0:27:440:27:48

a travelling timber tradesman to the builder's merchant.

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It's the best out of everything else,

0:27:520:27:54

all the other censuses. So that's the one to go with.

0:27:540:27:57

The census shows that William had three sisters

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and one brother called David.

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We've been asked to try and find the next of kin,

0:28:040:28:06

which we believe would be you.

0:28:060:28:07

The team think David could be the person who

0:28:070:28:10

signed as a witness for William's marriage to Margaret Dredge in 1928.

0:28:100:28:14

And feel confident they've found the right Griffiths family.

0:28:140:28:17

All right, let me take some notes of these.

0:28:190:28:22

The next step is to find out what happened to these aunts

0:28:220:28:25

and uncles on Ivor's father's side.

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Ethel died in 1972, as a spinster.

0:28:270:28:30

Winifred also died in 1990, as a spinster.

0:28:300:28:34

And Sadie died in 1978, as a spinster.

0:28:340:28:37

So we're only left with David after that.

0:28:370:28:40

Thankfully, he married in 1932 and had two children.

0:28:400:28:45

Even though there were quite a few siblings,

0:28:460:28:49

it turns out there were only two heirs on this side of the family

0:28:490:28:52

because three of the siblings of William all died spinsters,

0:28:520:28:57

without issue.

0:28:570:28:58

With their first two potential heirs found,

0:28:590:29:02

the team moved back on to Ivor's mother's side of the family

0:29:020:29:05

to see if the remaining two uncles - Clifford and John -

0:29:050:29:08

had any children who might still be alive.

0:29:080:29:11

It turns out that aviators Clifford and Dorothy had three children.

0:29:140:29:18

One of them is John Dredge.

0:29:180:29:20

Wonderful memories.

0:29:200:29:22

He's Ivor's first cousin.

0:29:220:29:24

The team had found their first heir.

0:29:240:29:26

When I first heard that Ivor was leaving some sort of estate,

0:29:290:29:36

that I might be a beneficiary, along with my sisters,

0:29:360:29:40

it was a great surprise.

0:29:400:29:42

I'm pretty sure the last time I saw Ivor...

0:29:420:29:47

it was at the period when he had decided to go

0:29:470:29:51

to try to become a minister in the church.

0:29:510:29:56

And Ivor came bounding in from a side door to his pulpit.

0:29:560:30:02

And with great gusto, started to preach to us.

0:30:020:30:06

Then it was time for a hymn, at which point,

0:30:060:30:09

Ivor dived behind his pulpit,

0:30:090:30:12

and we could see he was eating his sandwiches.

0:30:120:30:14

-And it was hilarious.

-HE CHUCKLES

0:30:140:30:18

I feel sure that any congregation would have warmed to him.

0:30:180:30:22

Ivor's third and final uncle on his mother's side, John,

0:30:270:30:30

had one daughter who had passed away,

0:30:300:30:33

so her two children became heirs,

0:30:330:30:35

bringing the total number

0:30:350:30:37

on this side to five.

0:30:370:30:39

In total, we ended up with seven beneficiaries -

0:30:390:30:41

two on the paternal side and five on maternal side.

0:30:410:30:44

So, for those of you who are new to...

0:30:470:30:50

In the auction room in London,

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Andrew is about to discover just how much the estate will be worth.

0:30:510:30:55

So the next lot is lot 72 - Mrs Griffiths' investment property.

0:30:550:31:00

This house was bedsits many years ago,

0:31:000:31:02

although it's been empty for many years.

0:31:020:31:04

Everything needs doing to it.

0:31:040:31:05

And although they will get mortgage security,

0:31:050:31:08

it will be very difficult to secure normal mortgages

0:31:080:31:11

given the condition of the properties.

0:31:110:31:13

And that's why we're here at auction rather than private treaty sale.

0:31:130:31:17

With the first house having sold for £143,000,

0:31:170:31:21

now it's time for Patricia and Ivor's investment property

0:31:210:31:25

to go under the hammer.

0:31:250:31:26

193,000.

0:31:260:31:28

194.

0:31:290:31:30

195.

0:31:310:31:33

We're going to get there, aren't we? 196.

0:31:330:31:35

197.

0:31:350:31:37

197 I have. 197.5.

0:31:370:31:39

He's bid 198.

0:31:400:31:41

All right. Here we go then. £198,000. First time.

0:31:430:31:48

£198,000 for the second time.

0:31:480:31:50

It's been absolutely clear, madam, you will lose this to these guys.

0:31:500:31:55

Another £500 possibly if I don't another bid from you.

0:31:550:31:58

Third and final time then.

0:31:580:32:00

At £198,000. I'm pointing at them but looking at you. Are we all done?

0:32:000:32:05

Sold. Well done. £198,000.

0:32:050:32:09

That's an excellent result.

0:32:090:32:11

The heirs to Mr Griffiths' estate, his blood relatives,

0:32:110:32:15

will now have quite a substantial amount of cash

0:32:150:32:17

to distribute between them.

0:32:170:32:19

From our point of view,

0:32:230:32:24

this was both an interesting and unusual estate

0:32:240:32:28

where we initially didn't know whose estate we were researching.

0:32:280:32:32

And we had the vested interest angle as well.

0:32:320:32:35

And I understand that the estate has a value of over £400,000.

0:32:350:32:39

But for Ivor's cousin, John,

0:32:400:32:42

the benefit isn't really a financial one.

0:32:420:32:45

I think I'm thrilled to bits to hear now that,

0:32:450:32:48

even in his later years, he was out there communicating with people.

0:32:480:32:54

He was always wanting to make people happy and please them.

0:32:540:32:59

While for Ivor's friend Sandra,

0:32:590:33:01

it's a reminder of a man who's greatly missed.

0:33:010:33:04

He made people love him.

0:33:040:33:05

And if you can do that, you can do anything.

0:33:050:33:09

He was just...marvellous.

0:33:090:33:12

Marvellous, marvellous.

0:33:130:33:15

I feel like I've lost, you know, lost your best friend.

0:33:170:33:21

SHE SNIFFLES

0:33:210:33:23

Wonderful Ivor. That's all I can say about him. Just wonderful.

0:33:230:33:28

Valerie Linda Nash passed away in a care home

0:33:360:33:39

in Birmingham in 2014.

0:33:390:33:42

I never actually visited Valerie's family home,

0:33:420:33:46

but we were told about it.

0:33:460:33:47

My mum would say it was a really nice home in Great Barr,

0:33:470:33:52

but we never ever got to see it.

0:33:520:33:55

Heir hunting firm Finders are searching for her heirs.

0:33:590:34:03

OK, I have some more information.

0:34:030:34:05

What did they say?

0:34:050:34:07

The team have been looking at the five siblings

0:34:070:34:09

of Valerie's mother - Linda Berry.

0:34:090:34:11

Is it in connection with a cousin of your mother's?

0:34:110:34:14

They've found that her older sibling - brother Arthur -

0:34:140:34:17

died when he was 14.

0:34:170:34:19

Linda's three youngest sisters have also died, but they had all married.

0:34:190:34:23

Any children of these siblings

0:34:230:34:25

would be the heirs the team were looking for.

0:34:250:34:28

Valerie's youngest aunt, Eileen Berry, married William Jones

0:34:280:34:32

just after war in 1946.

0:34:320:34:34

When we located the family from that stem,

0:34:340:34:38

they informed us of an interesting story about Valerie's aunt.

0:34:380:34:42

She'd actually been involved in the Women's Land Army.

0:34:420:34:45

To keep up food production while the farmers had gone to war,

0:34:490:34:52

the Women's Land Army was set up in 1917 and then reformed in 1939.

0:34:520:34:58

It forms part of the voluntary work which women could undertake

0:34:590:35:02

to support the war effort,

0:35:020:35:04

alongside that of munitions,

0:35:040:35:06

nursing and women's military services.

0:35:060:35:09

'In no country are women so thoroughly organised for war.'

0:35:090:35:13

However, from December 1941, all unmarried single women, widows,

0:35:130:35:18

were conscripted to join the war effort,

0:35:180:35:21

between the ages of 20 and 30.

0:35:210:35:23

Eileen joined the Women's Land Army in August 1942.

0:35:240:35:28

She was based in Birmingham and was unusual in the fact that

0:35:280:35:31

she actually worked in Warwickshire, so her home county.

0:35:310:35:34

So, as part of her work, she would have undertaken a whole

0:35:340:35:37

variety of farm work,

0:35:370:35:38

for example, dairy farming, animal farming, ploughing, threshing.

0:35:380:35:44

Before joining the Women's Land Army,

0:35:440:35:46

Eileen worked as an invoice clerk.

0:35:460:35:48

So you couldn't really get a more stark change in occupation.

0:35:480:35:50

It was very strenuous, hard manual labour.

0:35:500:35:53

They were doing digging, they were carrying heavy farm equipment,

0:35:530:35:56

things which they were unused to before.

0:35:560:35:58

And some suffered from long-lasting back and joint injuries,

0:35:580:36:02

as a result of that work.

0:36:020:36:03

At the beginning of World War II, 70% of Britain's food was imported.

0:36:030:36:09

By the end of the war, 70% was home-grown.

0:36:090:36:13

After the Women's Land Army disbanded,

0:36:130:36:16

recognition was very delayed.

0:36:160:36:18

Recognition really culminated in the unveiling

0:36:180:36:21

of the Women's Land Army and Timber Corps Memorial

0:36:210:36:24

at the National Memorial Arboretum in October 2014,

0:36:240:36:29

which is now a permanent memorial

0:36:290:36:30

for all the women who worked on the land as part of the

0:36:300:36:33

Women's Land Army during the First World War

0:36:330:36:35

and the Second World War.

0:36:350:36:36

Eileen and her husband, William, went on to have three children

0:36:440:36:47

and four grandchildren.

0:36:470:36:49

One of Eileen's granddaughters is Nicola Jones.

0:36:490:36:53

She's first cousin once removed of Valerie's and an heir to the estate.

0:36:530:36:57

It still does not feel real that all this has happened, I suppose.

0:36:570:37:02

It's not something that you get,

0:37:020:37:04

someone knocking on your door telling you that someone died

0:37:040:37:07

and they've left you inheritance.

0:37:070:37:09

It's a nice feeling, but it's a sad feeling at the same time.

0:37:090:37:13

I wish that I got the chance to know this Valerie.

0:37:130:37:16

I'd love to see the pictures of her and what she looked like,

0:37:160:37:20

and the sort of job that she did.

0:37:200:37:22

It would have been nice to have known her.

0:37:220:37:25

Nicola's father's, who was a cousin of Valerie's,

0:37:250:37:29

passed away when Nicola was 18.

0:37:290:37:31

She and her three siblings lost contact with his side of the family.

0:37:310:37:35

We know our cousins, but we're not really in touch with them.

0:37:350:37:39

We only really have each other - like, me, my sisters and my brother.

0:37:390:37:43

In the office, the team are looking into Valerie's other

0:37:480:37:51

three aunts on her mother's side.

0:37:510:37:53

One of them appeared to marry in 1939,

0:37:530:37:56

but the team could find no other records for her.

0:37:560:37:58

We managed to trace one of the aunts of Valerie

0:37:590:38:04

and she was still alive at the ripe old age of 100.

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It's quite an incredible discovery for us.

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It doesn't happen very often.

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Often on a family tree, we'll come across a number of elderly people.

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I think the important thing there is to take a responsible

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approach to it and to maybe ensure that there's someone else there,

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maybe a family member or friend,

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who can reassure the person we're speaking to, if it's in person.

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Or to ask on the phone

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if there's anyone else that they wish to consult with

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further to the conversation that we're having.

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A niece of this lady has power of attorney for her,

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so it meant that we were able to provide all paperwork for the case

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through her niece, she didn't have to deal with it herself.

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Valerie's other two aunts - Constance and Joyce -

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both passed away, but their three children have been found

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and are heirs to Valerie's estate,

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bringing the total on her mother's side to nine.

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Resolving the number of heirs on Valerie's father's side

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of the family was now the focus of attention.

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Nope. That's absolutely fine. That's great.

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We discovered Valerie's father's parents were William and Laura Nash.

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From the 1911 census of William and Laura,

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it tells us that they had eight children -

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seven were alive, one had passed away.

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However, now we know Laura's maiden name of Bishop,

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we can always check to see if they had any further children after 1911.

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The team did, in fact, find one more child - Hilda, born in 1912.

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The next step is to look into if Valerie's paternal aunts

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and uncles got married and had any children.

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In fact, they did.

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And from these aunts and uncles, the team found a total of 18 heirs.

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But the call from the heir hunters has meant more than just

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a welcome financial boost. For Nicola and her sister Donna,

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it's also an opportunity to find out more about the family's trade,

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so they've come to Birmingham's Jewellery Museum.

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This is where your great-grandmother Agnes would be working.

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She was a silver finisher,

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so she would have been applying the finish to the article, basically.

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And what these devices here are

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are polishing machines, basically.

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You would have a different grade of abrasiveness of this thing here,

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which you can fit on the end, called a polishing mop.

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And you would also use this substance here

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to be polishing the precious metal with.

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How long would she have been sitting here working for,

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-how long was the working day?

-All day long, it could be.

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Basically, 8.00 in the morning to 5.45 at night.

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It would be a particularly horrible job.

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To protect their clothing,

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all they would have on top would be a long sheet of brown paper.

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-Really?

-And that would be expected to catch the precious metal

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coming away as well.

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Just round here...

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Right. So, over here is the bench, or the peg,

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where your great grandad Arthur would be working.

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He would be using tools and techniques that have been in the

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trade literally thousands of years.

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Now this particular tool he'd be using is called the drill stock.

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It's more commonly called the bow drill or Archimedes drill.

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This is a tool that was developed by the ancient Egyptians.

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So 3,000-plus years ago.

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Can't imagine what you'd use it for.

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No. Here we go. I'll give you a little demonstration.

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Very, very simple to use.

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For Nicola and Donna, it's been a journey of discovery

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about their ancestral roots.

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It's inspired us.

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It definitely makes you realise that history is valuable.

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There's just so much, isn't there?

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Life changes in such big way 100 years ago,

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but this all still here,

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although lots of things have changed.

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It does make you realise that you do leave a legacy, I suppose.

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You know, everybody leaves a footprint.

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-And I think it does make you value that, doesn't it?

-Yeah.

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In total, the team found 27 heirs to Valerie's estate.

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It's a great result for us.

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It means all the money will go to the family,

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as opposed to the government.

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But for Valerie's friends and family, it isn't

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about an inheritance, the experience has been a reflective one.

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I think it's important that you do keep in touch with your family.

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And I'm just sad that Valerie didn't

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or we didn't keep in touch with Valerie.

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-It has been exciting...

-Yeah.

-..and emotional to think that

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there's some relation that you never knew, you've never met

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that's out there. It's...

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Yeah, it's really nice, isn't it? It's really nice.

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And it is a journey.

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And one that you sort of want to find more out about.

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