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Today, the heir hunters are trying to discover | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
the worth of a high-value estate. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
We have a guide of 125. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
Anything above that will be really good news. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
But there's confusion from the off. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
The problem we initially had to resolve is which estate | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
were we researching, was it Patricia or Ivor's? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Another team are surprised when they find their first heir. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
She was still alive at the ripe old age of 100. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
But for the families and friends... | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
I feel like I've lost...lost a best friend. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
..it's a time for reminiscing. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
He was always wanting to make people happy. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
The job of an heir hunter is to try and find rightful heirs | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
to an estate that's been left behind | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
when someone dies without making a will. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
The value of the estate increases | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
when the person who has died owned a property. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
So we're in the Landmark Hotel | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
for a London auction house, auction sale, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
and we have the two properties on the Griffiths case, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
where we're hoping we're going to get good interest. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
The Griffiths case has been taken on by London heir hunting firm | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Fraser & Fraser. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
-I spoke to her, she phoned in. -Right. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
It's a private referral with the details of two people - | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Patricia Griffiths and Ivor Griffiths. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Dave Slee was the senior case manager in charge | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
when this unusual case came in. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
The problem we initially had to resolve is which estate were | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
we researching, was it Patricia or Ivor's? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
They're focusing on Patricia Griffiths first, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
as they know she passed away on the 24th of June, 2014, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
in Weymouth. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
When we delved deeper into the background of Patricia, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
we surprisingly found that not only was she was the owner | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
of one property but indeed | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
another property that was in close proximity to the first. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
This is a high-valued estate and meant that the whole | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
of the company was involved in researching for next of kin. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
Patricia's death certificate was ordered. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
And in the research room, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
Josh Crawford is going through records concerning the house | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
that could have been Patricia's home address. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
We're just going to look at some of the electoral history | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
of the address in Weymouth | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
to see how long they were living there for so that we can work out | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
if they are married or maybe brother and sister, or something like that. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
You wouldn't have thought he'd be taking on a surname at that stage. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
The electoral rolls are invaluable for us because that's something | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
that pins down where someone is living. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
So when we're trying to trace someone, an individual, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
an heir, we need to know where they were living, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
and electoral rolls really help in that. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Records show that Ivor and Patricia had been living together | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
at one of the houses. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
And then there's another note here. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
The team try to work out if Patricia and Ivor were married. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
We have a hit on a Ivor T Griffiths | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
marrying a Patricia S D'Arcy | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
in 1983, in Weymouth, so that looks really good for us. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
They can't find a birth record for a Patricia D'Arcy that matches | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
the date of birth Patricia Griffiths has given on the electoral roll. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
OK, cool, I will. All right, bye. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
So they looked to see if Patricia had married a Mr D'Arcy. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Right, so there is a marriage in Weymouth of a Patricia S Allen | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
to a Mr D'Arcy in the December quarter, in 1960, in Weymouth. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
To me, that's a good indication that that's going to be | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
her first marriage. But obviously, we'd still have to check to see | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
if there is a corresponding birth to a Patricia S Allen, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
so we know that we've definitely got the right person. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
There's no other births that we can find that... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Searches confirm the findings | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
and a hunt for any children born to Patricia and Ivor comes up negative. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
Do you know what? That's probably why we couldn't find him. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Case manager Jo Ibrahim thinks the team should now | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
turn their attention to Ivor. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
The information which we had was that Patricia | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
and Ivor were stated as living together at the same address. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
And from there, we tried to locate where Ivor had moved to, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
because we know that he wasn't there at the time of Patricia's death. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
So from there, we managed to try and see | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
if we could locate any sort of records to try and track him down. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Josh searches for Ivor on the internet. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
And so we found a death notice for an Ivor Thomas Griffiths | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
in a paper in Weymouth. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
This guy died in a care home, and it requires further | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
investigation to see if it's actually the same person. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
The next day, the records they ordered are in. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
OK, cheers. Thank you. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Patricia's death certificate | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
confirms the research done yesterday, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
but the team have realised that as Ivor died after Patricia, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
the case is much more complex than they originally thought. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Now we've discovered Mr Griffiths has survived his wife, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
it totally changes the complexion. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Because Mr Griffiths appeared to have died without leaving a will. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
He's also died intestate. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
But he is a vested interest to his wife's estate, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
because he survived her. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
-That's hard to link it in, wasn't it? -Yep. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
When we're looking at a vested interest in an estate, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
when the deceased passes away, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
if they're survived by their partner, or their spouse, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
then the estate forms part of their estate. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
So essentially, one estate moves over to the partner. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
And obviously, we then look at the surviving spouse's estate. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
As Ivor had moved out of the family home before Patricia died, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
Jo thinks this may be relevant to their investigation. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
So when we're trying to find any details relating to Ivor, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
one of our first concerns would be whether we could locate | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
a divorce record, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
which would mean that he wouldn't be entitled to any Patricia's estate, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and therefore, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:17 | |
the estate and who would be entitled to it would change drastically. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Obviously, it's vested. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
-We need to see if she's left a will or not. -I've got notes on her. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
And after some searching, the team can find no evidence | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
of a divorce, meaning that Ivor was the heir to Patricia's estate. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
The team soon found people who knew Ivor in their hometown of Weymouth. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
Sandra West worked in the local supermarket there. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
He was always popping in and out with his wife, Pat. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
I just thought he was the most fascinating person I'd ever met. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
You know, the number of people | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
that come through our door, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
for him, he was absolutely unique. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
And our chats just developed. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
And he'd point his finger and he'd go, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
"Madam, did you know...?" | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
And the conversation started from, "Madam, did you know?" | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
And he would come out with sort of random facts. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
And if he was talking to a man, it was always sir. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
You know? And my colleagues, he didn't always know them | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
by name, so we were always madam or sir. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Very endearing. It was just... I mean, I could, you know, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
I feel quite welled up just thinking about him now. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Now that it was clear Patricia had died before Ivor, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
and that the heir hunters would only be focusing | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
on finding heirs on Ivor's side... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
I believe it was December. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
..their first step is to see if he had any brothers and sisters, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
and they begin with his birth certificate | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
to find his parent's details. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Griffiths is quite a common name. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
However, we are quite lucky that his name is Ivor T, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
considering that's quite an unusual combination, as first names go. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
So it wasn't actually too difficult to find Ivor's birth. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
Ivor's birth was registered in Surrey. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
His father was William Griffiths | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
and his mother was Margaret Gertrude Griffiths, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
formally Dredge. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
-There were two Drudges here, wasn't there? -Both of them... | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Both of them blank? | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
The team set about checking if they had any other children. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
These brothers or sisters of Ivor would be next in line. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
And it's good news. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
We've found one sister by the name of Thelma Griffiths. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
She's born in Kingston. That looks really good. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
Our next step is to work out what happened to Thelma. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
OK, well, thank you so much again. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
We located a marriage of Thelma to a Mr Francis. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
And that marriage resulted in them having one child. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
Unfortunately, this child died a spinster, aged 28, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
so therefore, there were no close relatives or near kin to Ivor, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
which meant we now had to go back to paternal and maternal families. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
They need to search for Ivor's mother's family first. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
So firstly, we needed to obtain a copy | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
of Ivor's mother's birth certificate, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
which was on the 5th of November, 1901, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
in the Holborn registration district. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
And that clearly stated she was the daughter of Percival Dredge | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
and Gertrude Ellen Dredge, whose maiden name was Henderson. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
The team look at the census records to see if Margaret | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
had any brothers or sisters. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
I found them on this 1911 census. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
Her siblings are John Henderson Dredge, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
who was seven, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
Eric George Henderson Dredge, who was five, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
and Clifford Henderson Dredge, who was eight months old. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
They need to find out what has happened to Margaret's | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
three brothers. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
If any of them are still alive or had children, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
these would be the heirs the team are looking for. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
All right, so we've found a marriage for Eric Dredge. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
He marries a Janet Clapperton in 1938. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
Unfortunately, Eric dies in 1941. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
We just need to check if he's had any children. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
The team's searches find that Eric didn't have any children, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
so they are focusing on Margaret's two other brothers - | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
John and Clifford. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
So with Eric unfortunately passing away without descendents, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
we had to pin our hopes on one of the other brothers. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
And Clifford married Dorothy Bissett in 1939. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
And we soon discovered that they had a most unusual hobby. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
Before they got married, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Clifford and Dorothy both became civilian pilots. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
People learned to fly | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
in the '30s for all sorts of reasons. In the early '30s, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
Clifford probably flew because he wanted to. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
I once asked a man why he joined the London Airplane Club | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
in the late '20s, and he thought for a moment, then he said to me, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
"Well, we've done skating." And I think that was rather what it was. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
Between 1925 and 1939, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
around 60 flying clubs were started | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
and more than 5,000 pilots were trained. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
The development of the airplane in the '30s for light...light | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
airplane clubs, basically, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
started back in 1925 when de Havilland invented the Moth, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
which was the right size, the right price | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
and had the right sort of engine in it. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
There's a Moth behind me. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Clifford and Dorothy would have been flying an airplane very similar | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
to this one. This one is a Hermes Moth. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Clifford and Dorothy were flying Gispy Moths - wooden air frames. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
All the clubs had this kind of airplane, open cockpit biplanes, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
which really lasted until the war. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
Although the team had uncovered a fascinating hobbyist... | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
..at the office, they still hadn't found any heirs. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
So if Clifford didn't have any children, it would | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
only be John left for any beneficiaries. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Lot number 87. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Today, Andrew Fraser is at a property auction in West London, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
where the two properties that Ivor inherited from his late wife, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Patricia, are being sold. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
My role is to maximise the assets. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
We have a guide of 125. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Anything above that will be really good news. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
A lot is riding on this auction. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
125. 125 is bid. 30. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
In many of the cases the heir hunters investigate, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
surprising family history is uncovered in their searches | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
that heirs know nothing about. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
One of these cases is that of Valerie Linda Nash. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
She was born on the 26th of March, 1936, in Birmingham, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
and grew up in living in the suburb of Great Barr. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Liz Wallis met Valerie many years ago. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
I can only ever remember Valerie coming to visit us once, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
and I would be about ten years of age. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
And she was probably about | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
four to five years older than me. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
But I remember that she was very quiet. She didn't have a lot to say. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
She was tallish, longish hair, I think, and wore glasses. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
But she kept herself very much to herself. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
Valerie died at a nursing home in Birmingham | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
on the 17th of February, 2014. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Her details were advertised | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
on the Treasury's Bona Vacantia List in June 2015. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
They were picked up by assistant case manager | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Holly Jones, of London heir hunting firm Finders. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
The Treasury had actually had this information | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
on Valerie's estate for over a year | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
after her death, before it was released on the list. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
-You can confirm Andrew and Peter? -Yeah. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
This can happen sometimes. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:13 | |
They didn't give a reason, in this instance. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
We found from the land registry that Valerie owned her own property, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
and this was valued at about £90,000. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
So quite a good amount for us to be working with, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
making it a competitive case. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
The information on Valerie's death certificate was | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
all Holly had to go on. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
To be a good heir hunter, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
I think there are a number of important traits, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
a number of skills that you learn over the years, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
but at the end of the day, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:46 | |
the most important thing is basic common sense. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Get the death and marriage certificates, make sure that... | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
have a look at those professions. That will be interesting stuff. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
The death certificate informs us that she was unmarried. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
But we searched the marriage records for England | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and Wales to check anyway. And indeed, she was a spinster. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
She was unmarried when she passed away. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
We also checked the birth records for England and Wales, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
and as far as we could see, she didn't have any children either. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
The next heirs entitled would be any brothers | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
and sisters Valerie may have. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
-The person that I found, if this is correct, they have children. -OK. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
The first thing they needed was to find Valerie's birth. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
And senior research manager Amy Littlechild started the hunt. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
Looking for a birth certificate, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
we put in all the names that we can to try and find someone. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
Is it OK if you answer a few of my inquiries at all? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
We also have an exact date of birth from the death. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
So obviously, we need to check around 1936. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Mainly... She was born in March. It will be around the March, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
June quarters of the years. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
A search of the birth index records | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
came up with a match that looked promising. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
So the certificate was ordered. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
It tells us that Valerie, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
again using her middle name of Linda, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
was born on the 26th of March, 1936. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Again, it goes exactly the same as the death certificate. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
So we've ordered that to see who she left it to. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
The team now had Valerie's parents' names - Horace Henry Nash | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
and Linda Lillian Nash, formally Berry. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
They did a birth search to look for any other children | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
who would be Valerie's siblings. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
This came up negative, so we're looking at Valerie being | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
an only child, and we'll need to go onto the next stage. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
During the research process, it could be relatively easy to | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
make a mistake or to overlook a certain key fact, which is | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
why it's important that we always emphasise that we double-check | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
the family tree, double-check the report, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
make sure that everything's done correctly before we submit | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
the results of our research to the estate custodians. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
Having established that Valerie was an only child, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
had never married or had children of her own, the team now need to | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
go back a generation and look for Valerie's grandparents. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
They focused on Valerie's mother's family first. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
On the 1911 census, we were able to locate Valerie's mother, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
Linda, living with her parents in Birmingham. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
We now had Valerie's grandmother's name on her maternal side. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
Also living at the address at the time, in 1911, is listed a brother. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
So this would be a maternal uncle to Valerie. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Valerie's mother's family tree was starting to take shape. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
Linda's father was Arthur Berry. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Her mother was Agnes Berry, formally Stanton. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
Linda's brother, also called Arthur, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
had been for three years before her. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
The 1911 census tells us that Arthur, Linda's father, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
was a silversmith. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
The family were living in the Brooksfield area of Birmingham. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Again, this is tying in with the jewellery trade. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
These folks were the ones that they would have needed certs for. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
A census record is a fantastic source | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
of information for us, given that it gives us a snapshot of the family | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
at that particular time. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
At the time of the 1911 census, the family were living within | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
a mile of Birmingham's thriving industry of jewellery production. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Birmingham's jewellery quarter | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
is roughly a square mile of the city, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
just north, northwest of the city centre. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
And for the last 150 years, it's been the main centre of jewellery | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
and silverware production in Britain. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
It overtook other centres such as Edinburgh and London, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
mid-19th century, and it grew to become the largest single | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
centre of jewellery and silverware production on the planet in 1913. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
At its peak, in the early 1900s, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
the jewellery industry in Birmingham is said to have employed | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
around 70,000 people. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
The silversmiths were thought of as being a cut above ordinary artisans. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
They wore very fine clothing and they lived in comfortable houses. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
And they definitely held the position above your general | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
artisan in the time. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Arthur Berry very much would have been in the norm | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
in living close to his work. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
If you were a small master, owning your own firm, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
you would very much live and work at home. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
If he was one of the outworkers in a firm, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
he would have been living in the district, certainly. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
And a very wonderful site which you would have seen is that | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
when the lunch bell went at one o'clock, the streets | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
would go from being deserted to being absolutely festooned | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
with people running down the road here to catch the tram | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
to Handsworth, the next district along, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
where they'd have their lunch | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
and then pile back to the workshops for two o'clock. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
And in that bustle of people, he may have met his future wife, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
as Arthur wasn't the only ancestor of Valerie's who worked | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
in the jewellery trade. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
So I haven't put one down for that. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
This one was the only address for this. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
When the team looked at the 1901 census, Valerie's grandmother, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
Agnes, was working as a silver burnisher in the same district. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
Agnes would've been working on various polishing processes | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
involving mild abrasives, such as using a substance | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
called jeweller's rouge, which is iron oxide. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
It's a mild abrasive | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
and it basically brings the full sheen out in the precious metal. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
Having taken the family tree back to Valerie's grandparents, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
the team can now search to see | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
if her mother had any other siblings in addition to Arthur. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
After we found the 1911 census, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
we looked for further births for Arthur and Agnes. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
We found out that they had four other children. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
However, we sadly found out that Arthur, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
mentioned on the 1911 census, passed away. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
With four aunts and uncles who, if still alive, could be heirs, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
the search was looking very good and the team has still yet to | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
begin on Valerie's father's side of the family. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Quite an incredible discovery for us. It doesn't happen very often. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
A surprise knock on the door from the heir hunters | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
happens to thousands of people every year in the UK. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
It's very strange to inherit from somebody I never knew. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
It would have been nice to know her. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Today, we have the details of two estates | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
on the Treasury Solicitor's Bona Vacantia List | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
that are still unclaimed. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
The first is that of Hilda May Abbott, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
who passed away aged 82 in Birmingham, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
on the 8th of February, 1990. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
She was born in Solihull on the 10th of July, 1907. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
Hilda's parents were Herbert George Abbott | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
and Maria Gascoigne. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
They married on the 10th of February, 1908, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
and they both died in the mid-'60s in Solihull. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
The name Abbott is Anglo-Saxon in origin, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
given to a person who is of great importance in a monastery. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
Abbott may also be a nickname applied to someone thought to | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
be pious and devout. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Could there still be family links to Hilda in the West Midlands? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Do you know anyone of that name? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
The next unclaimed estate is that of Thomas Aherne. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
He was 92 when he passed away, on the 12th of June, 2010, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
in Leicester. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
He was born on the 24th of July, 1917, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
in Ardagh, County Limerick, in Ireland. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
The surname Aherne is of French origin and means lord of horses. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
Do you know anything that could be the key to solving this case? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
If you think you might be related to either of these people, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
you would need to make a claim on their estate through | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
the Government Legal Department. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Once again, the names of the cases we are trying to solve | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
with your help today are... | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
When's that? 1919 he's born, isn't he? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
In London, the team at Fraser & Fraser are investigating | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
the case of Ivor Thomas Griffiths. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
Ivor inherited the estate of his late wife, Patricia Allen, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
when she died two months before him. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
They walked all around the town. They walked so many places. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
And they bumped into so many people. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
People would stop and talk to him. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Being part of Ivor's world was a privilege, an absolute privilege. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
The first of the two properties that Ivor inherited | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
is about to go before the bidders at auction. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Andrew Fraser is hoping for a good price. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
My role is to maximise the assets. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
We have a guide of 125. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
Anything above that will be really good news. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
Can I say 125? 125 is bid. 130? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
130? Another five? 135. It's with you, 135. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
I'm looking for 140. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
142, madam, is now bid. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
143 for the first time. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
Sold. Well done to you, madam. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
They've gone for £143,000. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
It's a very good result for the estate. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
OK, we now move... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
In the office, the search for any heirs to Ivor's estate | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
rested with two of Ivor's uncles - Clifford and John. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
But before they look into them, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
the team decide to look at Ivor's father's side. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
We searched to locate any potential beneficiaries | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
on the paternal family. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
It was a lot trickier than the mother's side of the family | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
because of the name Griffiths. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Good news or bad news? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
'Griffiths is a really common name.' | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
It's a difficult name to work with. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Because of that, we need to check all the records. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
We need all of those birth, marriage and death records | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
to make sure we're on the right family. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
The advantage of a difficult name is | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
it's very difficult for competition to find them as well. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
More work for us, but, you know, hopefully we'll get to the | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
correct heirs by researching the family properly. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
To find Ivor's grandfather's name, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
the team looked for Ivor's parents' marriage certificate first. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
So there are three marriages between a Griffiths and a Dredge. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
Now, we know that Ivor was born in 1935. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
The two marriages which we can discount... | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
The first reason is that they are both female to male. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
So female Griffiths marrying male Dredges. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
So they don't give the right surname for Ivor. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
But also, there is only one marriage before his birth, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
and that's in 1928 in Romford | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
from a William Griffiths to a Margaret Dredge. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Interestingly enough, it's in Romford and not in Surrey. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
But it's the only logical marriage that's possible, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
so we have to go with it. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
The marriage certificate between Ivor's parents told them | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
that Ivor's grandfather was called Thomas Griffiths | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
and that he was a builders' merchant. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
I'd have a look. Let me just speak to this guy now. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
Then I can... | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
Their next step is to try and find a birth certificate | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
for William Griffiths, which would give his mother's name. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Case Manager Jo Ibrahim took on the mammoth task. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
So we looked through William Griffiths and we tried to | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
locate a birth record for him. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
But there were lots of William Griffiths. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Same goes for the census where there was lots and lots of | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
William Griffiths living with a Thomas Griffiths, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
which made our job trying to research that part of the family | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
very difficult. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:47 | |
The team looked closely at William's marriage certificate | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
and from that worked out the year of his birth. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
And that's... | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
INDISTINCT SPEECH | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
But rather than continue to look for a birth record, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
they decided to look for a death record instead. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
What's his mother's maiden name? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
This was a turning point in the investigation | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
as it gave an exact date of birth for William. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
William's birth record was found | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
which gave them his mother's name - | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Elizabeth Thomas. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
The crucial information on the birth certificate | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
was the specific village name where William was born, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
which helped us locate the census records. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
The team are looking at the 1911 census in this part of Wales, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
where he was born, to see if they can find the family. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
And they're crosschecking the details with those from | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Ivor's parents' marriage certificate. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
We've managed to link Thomas' occupation as | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
a travelling timber tradesman to the builder's merchant. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
It's the best out of everything else, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
all the other censuses. So that's the one to go with. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
The census shows that William had three sisters | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
and one brother called David. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
We've been asked to try and find the next of kin, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
which we believe would be you. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
The team think David could be the person who | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
signed as a witness for William's marriage to Margaret Dredge in 1928. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
And feel confident they've found the right Griffiths family. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
All right, let me take some notes of these. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
The next step is to find out what happened to these aunts | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
and uncles on Ivor's father's side. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Ethel died in 1972, as a spinster. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Winifred also died in 1990, as a spinster. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
And Sadie died in 1978, as a spinster. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
So we're only left with David after that. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Thankfully, he married in 1932 and had two children. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
Even though there were quite a few siblings, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
it turns out there were only two heirs on this side of the family | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
because three of the siblings of William all died spinsters, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
without issue. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
With their first two potential heirs found, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
the team moved back on to Ivor's mother's side of the family | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
to see if the remaining two uncles - Clifford and John - | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
had any children who might still be alive. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
It turns out that aviators Clifford and Dorothy had three children. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
One of them is John Dredge. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Wonderful memories. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
He's Ivor's first cousin. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
The team had found their first heir. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
When I first heard that Ivor was leaving some sort of estate, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:36 | |
that I might be a beneficiary, along with my sisters, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
it was a great surprise. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
I'm pretty sure the last time I saw Ivor... | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
it was at the period when he had decided to go | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
to try to become a minister in the church. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
And Ivor came bounding in from a side door to his pulpit. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:02 | |
And with great gusto, started to preach to us. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
Then it was time for a hymn, at which point, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Ivor dived behind his pulpit, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
and we could see he was eating his sandwiches. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
-And it was hilarious. -HE CHUCKLES | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
I feel sure that any congregation would have warmed to him. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
Ivor's third and final uncle on his mother's side, John, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
had one daughter who had passed away, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
so her two children became heirs, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
bringing the total number | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
on this side to five. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
In total, we ended up with seven beneficiaries - | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
two on the paternal side and five on maternal side. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
So, for those of you who are new to... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
In the auction room in London, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
Andrew is about to discover just how much the estate will be worth. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
So the next lot is lot 72 - Mrs Griffiths' investment property. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
This house was bedsits many years ago, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
although it's been empty for many years. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
Everything needs doing to it. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
And although they will get mortgage security, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
it will be very difficult to secure normal mortgages | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
given the condition of the properties. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
And that's why we're here at auction rather than private treaty sale. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
With the first house having sold for £143,000, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
now it's time for Patricia and Ivor's investment property | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
to go under the hammer. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:26 | |
193,000. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
194. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
195. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
We're going to get there, aren't we? 196. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
197. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
197 I have. 197.5. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
He's bid 198. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:41 | |
All right. Here we go then. £198,000. First time. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
£198,000 for the second time. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
It's been absolutely clear, madam, you will lose this to these guys. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
Another £500 possibly if I don't another bid from you. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
Third and final time then. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
At £198,000. I'm pointing at them but looking at you. Are we all done? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
Sold. Well done. £198,000. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
That's an excellent result. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
The heirs to Mr Griffiths' estate, his blood relatives, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
will now have quite a substantial amount of cash | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
to distribute between them. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
From our point of view, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
this was both an interesting and unusual estate | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
where we initially didn't know whose estate we were researching. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
And we had the vested interest angle as well. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
And I understand that the estate has a value of over £400,000. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
But for Ivor's cousin, John, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
the benefit isn't really a financial one. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
I think I'm thrilled to bits to hear now that, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
even in his later years, he was out there communicating with people. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:54 | |
He was always wanting to make people happy and please them. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
While for Ivor's friend Sandra, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
it's a reminder of a man who's greatly missed. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
He made people love him. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
And if you can do that, you can do anything. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
He was just...marvellous. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Marvellous, marvellous. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
I feel like I've lost, you know, lost your best friend. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
SHE SNIFFLES | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
Wonderful Ivor. That's all I can say about him. Just wonderful. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
Valerie Linda Nash passed away in a care home | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
in Birmingham in 2014. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
I never actually visited Valerie's family home, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
but we were told about it. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:47 | |
My mum would say it was a really nice home in Great Barr, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
but we never ever got to see it. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Heir hunting firm Finders are searching for her heirs. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
OK, I have some more information. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
What did they say? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
The team have been looking at the five siblings | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
of Valerie's mother - Linda Berry. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Is it in connection with a cousin of your mother's? | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
They've found that her older sibling - brother Arthur - | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
died when he was 14. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Linda's three youngest sisters have also died, but they had all married. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
Any children of these siblings | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
would be the heirs the team were looking for. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Valerie's youngest aunt, Eileen Berry, married William Jones | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
just after war in 1946. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
When we located the family from that stem, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
they informed us of an interesting story about Valerie's aunt. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
She'd actually been involved in the Women's Land Army. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
To keep up food production while the farmers had gone to war, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
the Women's Land Army was set up in 1917 and then reformed in 1939. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:58 | |
It forms part of the voluntary work which women could undertake | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
to support the war effort, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
alongside that of munitions, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
nursing and women's military services. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
'In no country are women so thoroughly organised for war.' | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
However, from December 1941, all unmarried single women, widows, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
were conscripted to join the war effort, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
between the ages of 20 and 30. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Eileen joined the Women's Land Army in August 1942. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
She was based in Birmingham and was unusual in the fact that | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
she actually worked in Warwickshire, so her home county. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
So, as part of her work, she would have undertaken a whole | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
variety of farm work, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:38 | |
for example, dairy farming, animal farming, ploughing, threshing. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:44 | |
Before joining the Women's Land Army, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Eileen worked as an invoice clerk. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
So you couldn't really get a more stark change in occupation. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
It was very strenuous, hard manual labour. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
They were doing digging, they were carrying heavy farm equipment, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
things which they were unused to before. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
And some suffered from long-lasting back and joint injuries, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
as a result of that work. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
At the beginning of World War II, 70% of Britain's food was imported. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:09 | |
By the end of the war, 70% was home-grown. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
After the Women's Land Army disbanded, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
recognition was very delayed. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Recognition really culminated in the unveiling | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
of the Women's Land Army and Timber Corps Memorial | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
at the National Memorial Arboretum in October 2014, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
which is now a permanent memorial | 0:36:29 | 0:36:30 | |
for all the women who worked on the land as part of the | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Women's Land Army during the First World War | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
and the Second World War. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
Eileen and her husband, William, went on to have three children | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
and four grandchildren. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
One of Eileen's granddaughters is Nicola Jones. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
She's first cousin once removed of Valerie's and an heir to the estate. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
It still does not feel real that all this has happened, I suppose. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
It's not something that you get, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
someone knocking on your door telling you that someone died | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
and they've left you inheritance. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
It's a nice feeling, but it's a sad feeling at the same time. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
I wish that I got the chance to know this Valerie. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
I'd love to see the pictures of her and what she looked like, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
and the sort of job that she did. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
It would have been nice to have known her. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
Nicola's father's, who was a cousin of Valerie's, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
passed away when Nicola was 18. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
She and her three siblings lost contact with his side of the family. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
We know our cousins, but we're not really in touch with them. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
We only really have each other - like, me, my sisters and my brother. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
In the office, the team are looking into Valerie's other | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
three aunts on her mother's side. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
One of them appeared to marry in 1939, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
but the team could find no other records for her. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
We managed to trace one of the aunts of Valerie | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
and she was still alive at the ripe old age of 100. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
It's quite an incredible discovery for us. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
It doesn't happen very often. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
Often on a family tree, we'll come across a number of elderly people. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
I think the important thing there is to take a responsible | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
approach to it and to maybe ensure that there's someone else there, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
maybe a family member or friend, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
who can reassure the person we're speaking to, if it's in person. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
Or to ask on the phone | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
if there's anyone else that they wish to consult with | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
further to the conversation that we're having. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
A niece of this lady has power of attorney for her, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
so it meant that we were able to provide all paperwork for the case | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
through her niece, she didn't have to deal with it herself. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Valerie's other two aunts - Constance and Joyce - | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
both passed away, but their three children have been found | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
and are heirs to Valerie's estate, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
bringing the total on her mother's side to nine. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Resolving the number of heirs on Valerie's father's side | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
of the family was now the focus of attention. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
Nope. That's absolutely fine. That's great. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
We discovered Valerie's father's parents were William and Laura Nash. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
From the 1911 census of William and Laura, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
it tells us that they had eight children - | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
seven were alive, one had passed away. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
However, now we know Laura's maiden name of Bishop, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
we can always check to see if they had any further children after 1911. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
The team did, in fact, find one more child - Hilda, born in 1912. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
The next step is to look into if Valerie's paternal aunts | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
and uncles got married and had any children. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
In fact, they did. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
And from these aunts and uncles, the team found a total of 18 heirs. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
But the call from the heir hunters has meant more than just | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
a welcome financial boost. For Nicola and her sister Donna, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
it's also an opportunity to find out more about the family's trade, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
so they've come to Birmingham's Jewellery Museum. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
This is where your great-grandmother Agnes would be working. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
She was a silver finisher, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
so she would have been applying the finish to the article, basically. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
And what these devices here are | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
are polishing machines, basically. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
You would have a different grade of abrasiveness of this thing here, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
which you can fit on the end, called a polishing mop. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
And you would also use this substance here | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
to be polishing the precious metal with. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
How long would she have been sitting here working for, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
-how long was the working day? -All day long, it could be. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Basically, 8.00 in the morning to 5.45 at night. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
It would be a particularly horrible job. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
To protect their clothing, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
all they would have on top would be a long sheet of brown paper. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
-Really? -And that would be expected to catch the precious metal | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
coming away as well. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
Just round here... | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
Right. So, over here is the bench, or the peg, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
where your great grandad Arthur would be working. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
He would be using tools and techniques that have been in the | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
trade literally thousands of years. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
Now this particular tool he'd be using is called the drill stock. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
It's more commonly called the bow drill or Archimedes drill. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
This is a tool that was developed by the ancient Egyptians. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
So 3,000-plus years ago. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
Can't imagine what you'd use it for. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:31 | |
No. Here we go. I'll give you a little demonstration. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Very, very simple to use. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
For Nicola and Donna, it's been a journey of discovery | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
about their ancestral roots. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
It's inspired us. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
It definitely makes you realise that history is valuable. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:51 | |
There's just so much, isn't there? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
Life changes in such big way 100 years ago, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
but this all still here, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
although lots of things have changed. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
It does make you realise that you do leave a legacy, I suppose. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
You know, everybody leaves a footprint. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
-And I think it does make you value that, doesn't it? -Yeah. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
In total, the team found 27 heirs to Valerie's estate. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
It's a great result for us. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
It means all the money will go to the family, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
as opposed to the government. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:23 | |
But for Valerie's friends and family, it isn't | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
about an inheritance, the experience has been a reflective one. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
I think it's important that you do keep in touch with your family. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
And I'm just sad that Valerie didn't | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
or we didn't keep in touch with Valerie. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
-It has been exciting... -Yeah. -..and emotional to think that | 0:42:40 | 0:42:46 | |
there's some relation that you never knew, you've never met | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
that's out there. It's... | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Yeah, it's really nice, isn't it? It's really nice. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
And it is a journey. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:57 | |
And one that you sort of want to find more out about. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 |