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Today, local knowledge pays off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
on the hunt for heirs to a £500,000 estate... | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
I know back routes to get to places. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
That can be good in getting to an heir ahead of the competition. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
..and past scandals are uncovered. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
She didn't realise that the child that she was bringing up | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
was actually her husband's love child. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
On another case, surnames are a struggle. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
It's an Osborne tree, so it's already horrendous. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
But the search leads to a notorious criminal. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
He eventually became probably one of the most famous criminals of his generation. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
In Cheshire, heir hunter Saul is on his way to visit a relative | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
on a case he's working, and he's got surprising news for her. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
So I'm going to show her the tree and explain the exact relationships. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
For Saul, this is just the latest stage in a case that has tested him to the limit. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
She's going to be in for a little bit of a shock. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
We trace the next of kin of people who have died intestate. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Saul works for Celtic Research, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
a firm with individual case managers based around the UK. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
Saul runs the north-west office and recently, he found himself | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
competing against some of the UK's largest firms in the race to crack | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
the valuable case of Charles Wilkinson. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
The case of Charles Wilkinson was released at the end of a Friday | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
afternoon by the Treasury Solicitor's Department. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
He actually owned his property, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
and the fact he owned his property meant there was going to be a lot of | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
heavy competition on this case from other companies. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
And I really thought, "This is going to be vital," | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
time was of the essence, "Let's get it on." | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Charles Wilkinson passed away on the 1st of April 2014 | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
in Tarporley in Cheshire, aged 78. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Although there are no known photographs of Charles, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
his neighbour Bill, who knew him as Charlie, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
remembers he looked rather distinctive. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
He was often seen in his boiler suit. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
His hair was always sort of slicked back, boiler suit. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
And I think, when he wasn't wearing a boiler suit, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
he wore dark blue clothes, so it looked like his boiler suit. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Although they were neighbours for many years, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
Bill recalls that Charles always kept himself to himself. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
And he was always just a friendly sort of guy who you said hello to, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
but he wasn't one to hold a conversation. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
He just said hello, was pleasant, and that was it. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
However, Charles did have one rather unusual companion. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
He had a little car. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
I guess it was something like an Austin 7 from the 1930s, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and he kept it in a shed, or a small garage at the bottom of his garden, | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
and he had a wide path to the garage. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
And he would... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
He would back the car out, and you'd see it parked on the drive, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
all gleaming - and he'd obviously cleaned it and polished it - | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
and then he'd put it back in the garage. It never went on the road. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Having owned his own home, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
Charles had left behind an estate estimated to be worth £500,000, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
and Saul needed to get a head start on the competition if he was going | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
to stand any chance of beating his rivals. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
The first thing I had to do with this case was establish whether the | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
deceased had married and had children. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
I did have a look, and there didn't seem to be any obvious marriage | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
listings that would appear to apply to him, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
and not really any children either. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Saul's next port of call was to find out if Charles had any brothers or | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
sisters, as siblings would be the first in line to inherit. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
I discovered that the deceased had a brother named Joseph Wilkinson, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
and their parents were Joseph Wilkinson, again, and Sarah Dodd. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
Wilkinson and Dodd are very common names, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
especially Cheshire and North Wales. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Saul was quickly able to rule out children from Joseph. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
Thanks very much. Bye. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
PHONE CHIMES | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Desperate to get ahead of the competition and crack this high-value case, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
Saul gave up his entire weekend to painstakingly build a family tree | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
showing Charles's aunts and uncles. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Now, the deceased's father was one of 11 children, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
and his mother was one of eight children. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
So these were incredibly big families, potentially. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
And I knew that, come Monday morning, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
when the competition were going to be getting involved full swing | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
on a high-value case, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
we were going to have potentially lots and lots of cousins. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
It was going to be an incredibly busy week. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
I'm going to have to re-research this, just to check it. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
But as he compared the names on the paternal side of Charles's family | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
with those on the maternal side, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
he was about to make a surprising discovery. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Now, I noticed that Charles's father, Joseph, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
had a sister named Maggie Wilkinson, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
and she'd married a gentleman called Charles Dodd. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Now, Dodd was the deceased's mother's maiden name. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
So I wondered whether Charles Dodd and Sarah Ellen Dodd were brother and sister. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
Although rare nowadays, in times gone by, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
sets of brothers and sisters from one family marrying sets of brothers | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
and sisters from another family was common in rural communities. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
So I checked it, and there they are on the Dodd family tree. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
And they were brother and sister. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
So you had a sister and a brother who married a brother and a sister. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
It's a discovery that had a huge bearing on Saul's search. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
So they inherit twice over, so they actually get twice as much money as they would have done | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
had their parents only been related once over. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Saul decided to focus on finding descendants of Charles's Aunt Maggie, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
who would be in line to inherit twice. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
But it was a monumental challenge. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Maggie and Charles had 11 children. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
OK, two of them died in infancy, but there were another whole set of | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
branches here which I had to go through all over again. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
If they'd have had one child, that would have been wonderful. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
But, no, they had 11, and there were all sorts of grandchildren | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
and even great-grandchildren of that marriage | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
who I had to go out and find. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
The workload was spiralling out of control. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
With other firms up and down the country nipping at his heels, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Saul drafted in his colleagues to help research Charles's ten other | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
paternal aunts and uncles. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
Hi, this is Hector Birchwood, I'm returning your call. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Having quickly ruled out five who had no children, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
and with Saul already making progress with the Maggie Wilkinson stem, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
they had four further aunts and uncles to research. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
The deceased's last uncle on this side was Alfred Wilkinson, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
and I found out he moved from Picton, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
which is just south of Chester, over to the Wirral, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
which is north of Chester. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
Which made sense, cos his occupation was a railway platelayer. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
With the offer of higher wages and privileged travel for workers and their families, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
many farm labourers like Alfred decided to leave the land | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
and take up work as railway platelayers, maintaining the tracks. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
You'd have to be a manual worker and someone that was quite tough. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:39 | |
It was not a glamorous job. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
It was very hard. Long hours. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
They would sometimes be up at the crack of dawn | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
and work until nightfall, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
so you could talk about nine or ten hours. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
And it's hard graft work, manual work, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
with wheelbarrows and picks and shovels. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
By the 1930s, there were around 30,000 platelayers in Britain, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
but it was one of the most dangerous professions in the industry. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
There were all sorts of accidents to their hands and legs, limbs. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
With using a shovel and a pickaxe, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
they could easily damage their legs and their arms. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:24 | |
In tunnels, that was another problem. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
When the train went into a tunnel, they had recesses so that they could | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
take refuge from the trains that were going along. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
And with the smoke from the steam trains, steam engines, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
then the smoke, the fumes and steam and so on would linger a long time | 0:08:41 | 0:08:48 | |
in the tunnels, and so they had to breathe in this | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
smoky air because there was no health and safety masks in those days. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
Perhaps they put a scarf across their face. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
The hours were long and the risks high, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
and many workers met an untimely death. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
However, it seems Alfred survived his time working on the railways. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
Saul discovered he had married and had two sons, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
one of whom appeared to have had children of his own. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
These children would be heirs | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
and Saul needed to track them down. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
But with difficult surnames and potential beneficiaries related twice over, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
Saul's search for paternal heirs was turning into a mighty challenge. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
It was so intense, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
but that's what you have to do in the face of strong competition. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Saul decided he would head to the area where the family were based, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
so he could be ready to visit the heirs as soon as he found them. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
And he had an advantage. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Working a case in an area that I know well, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
I know where the roads are and I know back routes to get to places. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
So if the traffic's all blocked up on this road, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
I know I can go down another road to get there. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
So that can be good in getting to an heir ahead of the competition. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Saul's research was about to uncover a family past steeped in scandal. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
The child she was bringing up was actually her husband's love child. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
And with a £500,000 estate at stake, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
the competition was about to get fierce. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
These are my streets, they're going to be MY heirs. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
If you could both have a look at those stems, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
and I'll carry on with some on the other side. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
When the heir hunters take on a case, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
they never know what they're going to come across in the family tree. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
You might come across somebody famous, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
or even somebody infamous on a family tree. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
It might be a living heir or it might be somebody perhaps a few | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
generations back, but there's always something quite interesting when it happens. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
And when they took on a case of Maud Osborne, their research led them to | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
one of the most audacious and famous crimes of the 20th century. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
He didn't mess about and he was a big guy. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
He knew how to frighten people and part of it was intimidation. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
That's how they got their money. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:15 | |
Maud Helen Osborne died at the age of 87 in January 2016 | 0:11:22 | 0:11:28 | |
at a nursing home just a few miles from where she'd been born | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
in Canning Town, London. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
As a lifelong East-Ender, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Maud would have seen huge changes in the Newham area. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
It's changed a lot in that time. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
It's getting very... What's the word for it? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
Poshified? It was very shabby. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
It's much nicer-looking now. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
Since the Olympics, it's great. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
I think the East End is the new West End. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
-Wow. -No dates, no area. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
When she passed away, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
retired civil servant Maud had no known family members. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
As she'd made no will, the council referred her estate | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
to probate research firm Finders International, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
and it was picked up by case manager Amy Moyes. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
They gave us certain details from the beginning. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
They confirmed Maud's date of birth as the 2nd of December 1928, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
and they mentioned that she had a probable brother by the name of Colin. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
The council were also quite certain that Maud had never married or had | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
any children, but, of course, as part of our initial research, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
we would have to... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
have to have ruled this out to be absolutely sure. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
All right, thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
Although the case was worth £25,000, taking it on was still a gamble. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
If you imagine a case where we have a very large family tree with... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:05 | |
tens of beneficiaries involved, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
then with the amount of certificates we need to spend money on, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
we'll end up struggling to break even on an estate of this size. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
You can look into him and then, Holly, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
there's another stem that's really inconsistent. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
Deciding to take the plunge, Amy started with the basics. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
Maud had never been married. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
We also did a search of the birth indexes to look for any potentially | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
illegitimate children she may have had. That also came up blank. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
So, at that stage, we knew it was important to look for this potential brother. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
To find Maud's brother, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Amy first found her parents on her birth certificate. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
We knew that her mother's maiden name was Sales. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
So we looked through the marriage indexes | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
for an Osborne/Sales marriage | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
and we found a record that matched, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
and that was for a Charles Osborne to a Maud Elizabeth Sales. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
There are five stems to look into. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Having been given a tip-off from the council that Maud's brother was | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
called Colin, Amy was hopeful for a quick result. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
The only correct record we could find was for a John Osborne. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
The John they'd found had died as a bachelor | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
and there was no sign of a brother called Colin. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
At this stage, we had no way of knowing through research | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
whether or not John and Colin were one and the same, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
or whether we still had a sibling named Colin to find. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
So we were left with no choice but to look at the maternal | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
and paternal family trees. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
We could end up in a situation where we do | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
large amounts of research into the maternal and paternal families, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
only to find that we wasted our time - | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
to be told that Colin is in fact | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
another sibling and he may well still be living, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
which means a lot of time wasted. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
With the possibility a brother called Colin may still be found, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
any research the team did into the wider family would be a gamble. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
But they had no choice but to take that chance. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Starting with the easier surname on the maternal side, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
Amy looked into Maud's mum, who was also called Maud. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
And Amy discovered she was the daughter of Joseph William Sales | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
and Lucy Packard. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
The maternal grandparents were married in 1907, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
so we used a combination of checking the birth indexes, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
as well as checking the 1911 census record | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
to establish how many siblings there were to Maud's mother, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
Maud Elizabeth. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Overall, we established that there were seven maternal stems. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
With seven potentially complicated stems to research, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
Amy would have her work cut out to successfully uncover any beneficiaries. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
Could you have a quick check as well for post-1911 for me, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
so we know exactly what we're looking at? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
But five's not too bad. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
-Yeah, that's fine. -Thank you. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Undeterred, she continued to look into Maud's aunts and uncles, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
and quickly ruled out two who had died in infancy. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
Albert Edward and Lucy May. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Now, although they survived infancy, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
they both passed away without having any children, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
so no living heirs for us. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
At this point, we've dealt with over half of the maternal family tree, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
and we haven't found any living descendants. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
So we were starting to wonder whether we were going to locate | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
anybody at all on this side of the family. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Can I get you to take a look at a couple of stems for me? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
When a parent of the deceased is one of several children - | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
so, for instance, they have maybe seven or eight siblings of their own - | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
you can begin by being quite sure of yourself that you're going to find heirs. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
But there are occasions when you're completely surprised, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and maybe four or five of those siblings either die in infancy, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
or they pass away without having married or had children. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
And so you're suddenly faced with a situation where you might have worked | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
an entire family tree that has the potential to be the rather large, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
and you could find one, two or maybe, on occasion, no heirs at all. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:28 | |
-This address here. -Yeah, OK. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
But, fortunately, Amy's luck was turning. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
We then focused on a maternal uncle, Joseph William... | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
..and we found a marriage for him. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
He married an Edith Caroline Bagnall in 1938, and he did have children. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
We were able to identify five living heirs on this stem. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
We then looked at Arthur William Sales. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
He married as well and had two children, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
both of whom are still alive, and they are potential heirs. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
The final stem to look at was that of Rosetta Jane Sales. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
She married an Alfred Oxley and had three children herself. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
Forest... Do you have the file? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
After a tricky start, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Amy had now broken the back of the maternal side. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
But they still had the paternal Osborne side to crack. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
It's not uncommon for research to be really simple, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
really straightforward and really rather fast on one side | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
of the family, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
usually because the surname is really good to work with, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
and then the other side might be a Smith or an Osborne or a Johnson, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
and you know it's going to be a nightmare. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
And the Osborne side of the family lived up to expectations. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Holly, James, can I get you to have a look, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
a double-check at some bits and pieces? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
It's an Osborne tree, so it's already horrendous. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
And as she battles inconsistency... | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
He changes his name all over the place, reverses it. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
..after inconsistency... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
Her mother's maiden name is completely different. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
..Amy uncovers family members caught up in one of the most | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
infamous crimes of the last century. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
Also a reputation for being pretty violent. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
You know, when occasion called for it. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Heir hunters trace thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
I think the most satisfying bit about my job | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
is putting people in touch with the rest of their family. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
But not all cases can be cracked and many remain unsolved. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
Today, we're focusing on two Scottish cases that have been | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
advertised by the Queen and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
The first is Vincent Tinney, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
who died on the 19th of January 2015 in Greenock, aged 72. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
Vincent was born in Ireland on the 22nd of October 1942, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
but at some point moved to Greenock. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
Vincent's estate is thought to be worth over £20,000. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
Did you know Vincent? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
The next case is Mary McIntyre, who died on the 18th of September 2007, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
aged 99 at her home in Glasgow. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
McIntyre is believed to be Mary's married name, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
as she was born Mary Murray in Clydebank on the 11th of July 1908. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
Mary's estate is worth just over £9,500. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
Could you be entitled to a share of that estate? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Could the heir hunters be looking for you? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
What we'd like to do is send you a form... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
to allow us to put your claim forward to the estate. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Case manager Saul Marks, from Celtic Research, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
has been frantically trying to find beneficiaries to the | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
£500,000 estate of Charles Wilkinson, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
whilst fending off stiff competition from larger firms. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
It was a high-value case. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:19 | |
The deceased lived in a village called Kelsall, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
which is really beautiful, and I know from local knowledge, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
property around there is going to go for quite a lot of money. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
So we knew it was high-value and we knew, obviously, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
there'd be competition attached to that. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
The search had led Saul to Charles' cousins and their descendants... | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
but with a total of 18 aunts and uncles to research, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
Saul had his work cut out. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
When you're working a large family, you have to prioritise, really, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
which branches you're going to work on first. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
And you have to look at it and say, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
"Well, some branches have very few heirs on, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
"maybe only one heir on that particular branch." | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
In that case, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
that person's signature is going to be much more valuable to us, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
because that person is going to be inheriting a lot more money. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Right, OK... | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Under pressure to beat his rivals, Saul had to make | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
calculated decisions in his research and had focused on the descendants | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
of Charles' Aunt Maggie. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
She was the sister of Charles' dad, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
but was also married to the brother of Charles' mum. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
This meant any children they had would be related on both the maternal and paternal side, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
and would therefore inherit twice. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
He had already established that out of Maggie's 11 children, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
seven had children of their own, and as Charles' cousins once removed, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
they would be heirs. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
Charles and Maggie had two sets of twins. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
One of the twins was a lady named Winifred, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
who married Arthur Cram. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
And they had one child, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
a daughter named Beryl. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
After days of nonstop research, was Saul finally closing in | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
on an heir or had the competition pipped him to the post? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
I managed to find that Beryl actually also lived just outside | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
the village where I grew up, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:08 | |
so I got in the car and I dashed down to see her, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
to hopefully sign her up. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
When he knocked on the door, I was quite shocked, really. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Because, you know, nothing ever happens to people like us. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Beryl is Charles' first cousin once removed | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
through her grandfather, Charles Dodd, on the maternal side, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
and on the paternal side, through her grandmother, Maggie. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
This is the picture of my nan, Maggie, and this is my cousin, Joan, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
who unfortunately has passed away. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
And this one is my mum, Maggie's daughter, on our wedding day. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:48 | |
But despite being close to her nan, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
there was never any mention of her distant cousin Charles. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
It's a shame to think he's died on his own, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
because obviously I don't think he knew any of us. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
Having found Beryl, Saul's work was far from over. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
He still had a number of potential heirs from Charles' Aunt Maggie to track down. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
But he ran into a problem. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
I met quite a few of the heirs on this branch, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
and several people mentioned an Aunt Emily, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
who I didn't seem to have on my tree and I couldn't understand why she wasn't on the tree. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Saul went back to his tree to see if he'd missed something, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
but nothing was immediately jumping out. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Hi, my name's Saul Marks. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:37 | |
But as he chatted to more potential beneficiaries, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
he made a shocking discovery of a hidden family scandal. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Emily was in fact Maggie's illegitimate daughter, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
who was the product of a brief affair she'd had with her brother-in-law, John Jones. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:56 | |
Maggie had a daughter, Emily, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
with her sister Annie's husband, John Jones. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
She then went on to marry Charles Dodd and have a further 11 children. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
It was really bizarre with this, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
because Emily was known as a Dodd but she was born as a Wilkinson. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
And on the census, she was a Jones. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
And all these names get jumbled in together, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
and it's amazing to actually think that in the midst of all this, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
we can work out who people were and which branches they go into. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Having spent the first day signing up paternal Wilkinson heirs, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
Saul had no time to lose in finalising his research and | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
finding heirs on the maternal side, before his rivals got to them first. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
He quickly established that Charles' maternal grandparents, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Charles Dodd and Sarah Ackerley, had eight children, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
including Charles' mother, Sarah. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Again, a massive family, there are eight branches here to work through. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
Saul spent the entire second day contacting cousins on the maternal side, | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
but he was greeted with bad news. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
Unfortunately, what I found as I was contacting some of these people | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
was that they'd already been found by our competitors, the other firms. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
After days of hard work, it was the last thing Saul wanted to hear. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
So what I ended up with at the end of the day | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
was a really nice-looking family tree with lots of heirs on it, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
none of whom we'd signed. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
It was exactly the news Saul had been dreading. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
But faced with tough competition and a huge family, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
the case turned out well for Saul, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
and he managed to sign 12 of Charles' 71 heirs - | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
all of whom will share his estate. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
It's been a big family to research and it's always nice to end up with | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
some nice-looking family trees at the end, and I'm pretty happy with the whole thing. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Today, Saul is paying heir Beryl a visit. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
DOORBELL CHIMES | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
-Hi. -Hello, Saul, come in. -Thank you. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Come on in, Saul. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Thank you. Oh, you've had it done up in here. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
Armed with the completed family trees, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
he's keen to help fill in some of the blanks about her family history. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
Right, I have... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
a very large tree to show you here. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
So that's how they're connected. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
So Charles was first cousin of your late mum. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:33 | |
But it's not just the family tree that Saul is keen to share with Beryl. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
You see here, all your mum's brothers and sisters? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
-Yeah. -There's an extra one at the top there, Emily Wilkinson. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
-Right. -Now, she was your nan's illegitimate child. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:51 | |
So, I think what's happened is Maggie's got pregnant, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
Annie has taken Maggie's child in to bring her up, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
because she's got a family of her own, but she hasn't realised... | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
Annie, I don't think, ever realised her sister's child was actually... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:13 | |
The biological father of the child was her own husband. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
Oh, she didn't have a clue? | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
I don't think so, because they went on and had two more children afterwards. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
She may have done, but it's my personal theory | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
that she didn't realise that the child that | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
-she was bringing up was actually her husband's love child. -Oh. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
-That's a shock. -It is. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
I don't know, words fail me. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
Really, really shocked. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
-VOICEOVER: -It was nice to see Beryl again. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
It was particularly nice to show her the finished product. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
When I first came to see her, it was half worked, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
in the process of being researched, it wasn't the finished product. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
What I was able to do tonight is come along and show her and say, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
"This is your family." | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
If I can get you on the road as soon as possible... | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
In London, heir hunters Finders International had made headway | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
tracing cousins of Maud Osborne... | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
It's an Osborne tree, so it's already horrendous. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
..but were struggling to trace a potential brother, Colin, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
who they'd been told about by the council. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
At this point, as we had no way of knowing whether or not Colin was | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
in fact another brother, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
we had no option but to look at the maternal and paternal trees. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
Having identified maternal heirs to Maud's estate, Amy had started to | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
work the more difficult paternal surname of Osborne, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
and she went to a specific resource to find Maud's father, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Charles Osborne. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
I went back to the 1911 census, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
because I knew that Charles should feature on there, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
having been born in 1908. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
I came across a positive match, and I could then see that... | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
Charles was on the 1911 census with his father, John, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
and it names his mother as Emma. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Having Maud's paternal grandparents' names meant Amy could now | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
do a search for all of their children, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
cross checking for any variations to the surname. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
Osborne can be spelt with or without an E, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
it can also be spelt with or without a U, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
and all of these variations were found whilst researching this particular family tree. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
But her hard work paid off. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
All in all, we then had nine children to John and Emma. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
With eight aunts and uncles to now descend, Amy quickly discovered | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
a difficult surname was the least of her worries. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
That really is strange. I'm not convinced that these are correct. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
It's random. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
-That's random as well. -Yeah. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
This first marriage says his dad's a George... That's weird. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
With all hands on deck, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Amy finally ruled out an Aunt May who had died in infancy, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
and she had leads on three other stems. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
Helen Catherine Osborne married a Robert Ladlow | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
and had three children. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
Uncle Alfred Daniel Osborne had two children, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
and Arthur Robert Osborne married a Lillian Elvin | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and they had three children themselves. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
Amy was on a roll... | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
until she hit a snag with Maud's uncle, John Osborne. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
Paternal uncle here, John George Charles. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
He'd married three times and each time had used a different variation of his name. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
It meant the research was painstakingly slow. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
Across all of those three marriages, we just have one child | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
having been born to John from his second marriage, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
a child named Helen Irene. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
Unfortunately, she passed away in infancy. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
So, after all of that time-consuming research, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
we were left with a stem that dies out completely, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
with no potential for any living heirs. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
But another uncle proved more promising. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
Paternal uncle, William Michael Osborne, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
married a Mary Ann Farrell in 1933, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
and together they had two children. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
When we were researching those children, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
we came across some particularly interesting information | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
with reference to the eldest daughter, Patricia. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
We located a marriage for her to a Charles Wilson, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
and when we looked into that marriage and their history together, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
we identified that Charles was in fact Charlie Wilson of the Great Train Robbery. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:43 | |
Charlie Wilson, an extraordinary guy, really. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
Greengrocer's son, very humble beginnings, lived in Battersea, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
his parents had a greengrocer's in Penge, apparently. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
That was his destiny, really. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
But, in fact, he went in a completely different direction | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and became an extraordinary criminal, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
probably one of the most famous criminals of his generation. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
After previous brushes with the law, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
it was in August 1963 that Charlie Wilson's criminal career peaked. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
He and his gang were tipped off about an overnight mail train | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
from Glasgow to Euston, carrying bags of used banknotes. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
And, you know, it was a gift really. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
There were no guards on the train, no communication on the train, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
it was completely kind of isolated in a way. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
In the middle of the night, no mobile phones or anything like that, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
so it was really easy pickings in a way. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
The thing was kind of just travelling down through dark, deserted countryside. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
All they had to do was stop it. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:44 | |
The wheels were set in motion. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:51 | |
They rented a farmhouse nearby as their hideout and ambushed the train. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
Wilson was one of the first guys into the high-value package cage, | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
where this money was kept. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
They were wielding iron bars, they were yelling at these guys, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
they had stocking masks on, one guy had an axe in his hand. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
I mean, it was absolutely terrifying, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
and these were big guys and they didn't mess about. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
They basically quashed and herded all these workmen, poor workmen, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
down to the other end of the carriage, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
then unloaded 100-odd mailbags. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
And, yeah, within 45 minutes, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
they'd actually emptied the thing and they were on | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
their way back to their hideout. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Having stolen £2.6 million, around £40 million in today's money, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:34 | |
the crime was soon front-page news. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Despite going their separate ways, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
Charlie and his cronies were quickly under suspicion. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
When they left this farmhouse, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
which they did in a hurry because the police were searching the | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
countryside, they left a lot of evidence behind them, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
including fingerprints. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
In April 1964, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Charlie Wilson and six others were jailed for 30 years each. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
He was facing spending most of the rest of his adult life, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
and certainly his children's childhood, behind bars. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
So he obviously had a long time to think about that. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
But four months into his sentence, Wilson disappeared from his cell. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
There hasn't really been a convincing account of exactly what happened to Charlie Wilson | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
once he went over the wall of the Winston Green prison. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
I mean, clearly, he laid low and he was smuggled out of the country | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
by one means or another. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
What we do know is that he ended up in Canada, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
in northern Quebec, where he was joined with Pat and his girls. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
The family settled into a respectable neighbourhood, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
but the hunt for the escaped train robber was not over, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
and in 1968, the net closed in. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Charlie was just going to take his girls to school, a normal routine, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
there was a ring on the doorbell, he went to the front door, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
opened the door and there standing on his doorstep was head of the Flying Squad, Tommy Butler. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:08 | |
And behind him was 50 members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
and there was no getting away from it. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
Charlie was extradited to the UK to serve out the remainder of his sentence. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
He was released in 1978, and this time, moved with his family to Spain. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
But he was soon involved in the murky world of drug trafficking. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
And it wasn't long before his past caught up with him. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
He was outside preparing the barbecue, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
a guy turned up on a yellow bicycle and rang the doorbell, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
said he had a message for Charlie. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Pat let him in. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
And then there was a shot... | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
and that was the end of Charlie Wilson, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
lying dead by his swimming pool. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
Sort of a very sad and poignant image of the end of an extraordinary | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
sort of meteoric criminal career for this Battersea boy with | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
the sparkling blue eyes. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
Charlie made one final trip to England, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
this time for his own funeral. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Of course, it was devastating for the family, but, I think, you know, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
Pat and the girls would have been well taken care of and Charlie would | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
have made sure that there was money in the bank and they weren't going to go hungry. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
With Charlie dead, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:37 | |
Amy was struggling to find out what happened to his wife and children. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
We had to do a little bit more digging and once we had, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
we finally discovered that the three children had in fact changed their surnames. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
And once we had established that, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
we were able to successfully locate them and speak with them. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
It turned out that Patricia had actually passed away a couple of years ago, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
and so the three children | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
turned out to be potential heirs to the estate. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
For Amy, the case was coming together | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
and there was just one more stem to research. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
So we could tell that Thomas Patrick married a lady named Rose Warner | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
in 1920, and from a search of the birth indexes, we could see | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
two sons to Thomas and Rose - | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
a Sydney William Osborne and a further son, Dennis Patrick. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
When looking into the stem of Dennis Patrick Osborne, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
we successfully identified that he had four children. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
One of those was a daughter named Susan Bodle, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
and we were able to make contact with her fairly quickly | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
and confirm that she was correct. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
And she turned out to be one of the potential heirs to this estate. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
Today, travelling rep Howard is on his way to visit Susan and her mum, Jean. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:08 | |
The pair are looking forward to learning more. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
The man'll be here in a minute, like, coming to see me, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
so it's quite exciting, isn't it? | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
Yeah, it is exciting! | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
-Hi. -Hello. -Susan Bodle? -Yes. -Howard. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
-Oh, hello. -I hope they contacted you, told you I was coming. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
Yes, they did. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:31 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -Thank you. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
-That's your father, and there's Jean. -We found you as well, Jean. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
-Right, so your husband's parents... -Parents, yes. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-Thomas Patrick... -That's right. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
..who's the sibling of - and we come all the way along here to Charles - | 0:39:45 | 0:39:51 | |
-who is the father of Maud. -Oh! -Who's the deceased. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
I remember a Charlie, yes. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
So that's how it connects. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
It's not long before Jean spots a familiar name. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
Any of the family that you recognise names of? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Well, that's Pat Osborne, which was my husband's cousin. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
-Right. -And she was married to, erm... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
What's his name? Charlie Wilson. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
THE Charlie Wilson? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
THE Charlie Wilson, one of the Great Train Robbers. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
Yes, because I remember seeing him once at a family funeral. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
He was sitting next to me and I didn't know who he was. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
My husband's nudging me, "Look who that is." | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
I said, "No, I don't want..." | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
It wasn't the big black glasses that gave him away? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
No! He had... I mean, he was well-suited, like a businessman. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
-He would've been, yeah. -With, you know, gold and jewellery on. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Having had no knowledge of Maud, the family tree is fascinating. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
So she was born the year before Daddy, wasn't she? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
-Oh, I don't... -Because he was born '29. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
-Oh, was he? -Maud, yeah - she was born on the 2nd of December 1928. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
Yeah. Well, my husband was born in May of '29. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
-OK. -She was sort of... | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
And your brother and sister... | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
-they both never got married and both never had no children? -Yeah. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
-Very nice to meet you. -And you. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
-Thanks for your hospitality. See you again, all the best. -Cheers. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
News of wider family has given Susan food for thought. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
It's been exciting, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:26 | |
and Howard coming today has given us a bit more information. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
It's not finished yet, obviously, but, erm, yeah... | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
It's just made me more interested to know more about the family | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
and just to find out more, really. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
Especially more about Maud. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
Tracing Susan helped tie up the loose ends for case manager Amy. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:49 | |
We successfully managed to identify around about 30 paternal heirs, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
so all in all it's turned out to be quite successful. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
It's a case which revealed a fascinating insight into the criminal underworld. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:03 | |
It's always quite interesting when we come across somebody famous | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
within a family tree. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
It creates a bit of excitement around the office. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
We all delve a little bit deeper and see what we can find out about this person. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
It also makes the particular family tree a little bit more | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
personal to us, as we learn a bit more about the family history. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
And having concluded that the brother Colin was a red herring, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
39 cousins will share Maud's £25,000 estate. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
But for heir, Susan, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:32 | |
it's the chance to find out more that is most valuable. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
What she did for a living and where she lived... | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
-Definitely want to find out where she was buried. -Yeah, that's right. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Because I'd like to go there. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
We'll look after her. She won't be forgotten. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
-No. -Not now. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
No. I'd like to find her grave and put some flowers on it. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
-Definitely, definitely. -She's got someone. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
-She's got someone in her family somewhere along the line, that's right. -Yeah. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 |