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Today, the pressure's on as one team search for heirs | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
to a high-value estate... | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
It's frustrating. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
She's not at home so we can't determine | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
if we've got the right heir or not. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
..and the estate of a man from Essex proves fiercely competitive... | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
We knew that every second, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
every minute would count in terms of finding the beneficiaries before | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
anybody else. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
..leaving a £250,000 estate hanging in the balance. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
Obviously, we'd spent a day researching into a family | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
which were no longer entitled. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
It's all in a day's work for the Heir Hunters. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
As I'm sure you're aware, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
his estate's now been referred to the Government Legal Department | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
on behalf of the Crown. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
In the offices of Fraser and Fraser in Central London, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
the team are working a major new case. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Oh, no. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Case manager Dave Slee... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
I have one, two, three, four... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
five children. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
..along with research manager Isha Adams, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
is desperately trying to find heirs | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
to an estate thought to be worth around £140,000. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
The case of Edith Florence Smith. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
She died October this year, in Leicester. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
In Britain, almost 750,000 people share the surname Smith, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
so the team know they'll have their work cut out. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
I do not enjoy the challenge of a Smith search! | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
It'll be a complete nightmare to try and find him. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
You're faced with numerous people | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
being born at the same time | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
in the same district with the same names. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Edith Florence Smith passed away | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
on the 7th of October, 2016, age 95. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
She'd lived in this semidetached house in Leicester | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
since it was built in 1932, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
having moved there with her parents when she was just 12 years old. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Her neighbour, Tom, still remembers the day he first met Edith. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
Come on, Luce. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
We got married and bought this place, moved in. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
Edie was living next door. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
She was a nice neighbour. Bit eccentric. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
When we walked past the window, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
you know, taking the dogs to the park, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
she'd always... She'd always wave. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Although Edith was quite a private lady, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
she was an active member of her local church, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
where she played the piano for the choir. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
She'd start playing church music. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
She liked going to church. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
She had no television. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:54 | |
Would never have one. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
She liked the radio, liked classical music. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
She liked playing the piano, which is still in the back room. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Tom never recalls Edith having any contact with family members, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
but in her latter years, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
he remembers she grew close to a gentleman called John. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
They met in Littlewoods... | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
..every Saturday. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
When they'd finished, they used to walk down Haymarket, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
go into Argos, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
and sit on their settees. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
They idolised each other, absolutely... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
I mean, she was in her... Nearly her 90s. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
John was quite poorly. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
He passed away a few years ago. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
She was absolutely devastated. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
She never forgot the man at all. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
She said to me once, if she'd been younger, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
she would have got married. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
What children have we got there? | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
Although Edith owned the house, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
worth an estimated £140,000, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
she didn't leave a will. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:07 | |
Whilst many estates are advertised | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
by the Government's Legal Department, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
this came from an unusual source. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
A few days ago, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
Dave received a phone call from a gentleman | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
who claimed he was a distant relative of Edith's. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Now, what was unusual was that | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
this gentleman said that he was related to | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
the lady, but he didn't know how. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
Now, that is strange, in the first instance. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
With a valuable property at stake, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
the team got straight to work. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
As well as establishing whether the man who'd called in was a relative, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
they'd also need to search for any other heirs to the estate. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Caroline, that would make sense, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
and Thomas. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
Yep. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
As with most cases, Dave began by searching for Edith's close family. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
The gentleman referred to the deceased as a spinster. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Now, of course, we also made a search | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
just to make sure that, you know, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
she hadn't married during her lifetime. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:11 | |
The team were quickly able to confirm that Edith hadn't married | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
and didn't have any children. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
So Dave's next task was to see if she had any siblings. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
We needed to obtain a copy of | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Edith's birth certificate in 1920, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
which led us then to find that | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
her parents had married in 1911. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
So it was a big gap. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
And to see if there's any children post-1911 to 1920 | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
and, of course, any children after 1920 | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
that would be siblings to the deceased. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Dave quickly established that Edith's parents, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Thomas Owen Smith and Florence Edith Cooke, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
married in December 1911, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
but only had the one daughter. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
This was bad news for Dave. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
Not only did it mean he'd now have to search the wider family | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
for heirs, it was clear Smith | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
wouldn't be the only difficult surname to research. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
In this instance, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
the deceased's mother maiden name was Cooke with an E but, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
unfortunately, of course, families tend to drop the E or put the E on. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
So what you're doing, in fact, is duplicating your research. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
You're undertaking the research under Cooke with an E | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
and without the E. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
With no easy place to start, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Dave and the team had bitten the bullet and begun work | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
on the Smith side of the family. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
And they were given a head start, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
because Dave's mystery caller had been able to give them a copy | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
of Edith's parents' marriage certificate. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
The information in that marriage | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
gives us the mother's father's name - | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
ie the grandfather's name - | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
on the mother's side, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
and the same on the father's side. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
With this vital information, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Dave was able to work out that Edith's grandparents, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Owen, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
married in Leicester in 1871. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
And, as well as Edith's father, Thomas, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
they had a further three children - | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Sarah, George and Ellen. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
Dave has recruited research manager Isha Adams | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
to help tackle the daunting search for Smiths... | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
Right, I think I've found it. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
..and, today, she's focusing her attention | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
on Edith's uncle, George Smith. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
So I have got a marriage... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
..of a George Smith to a Emma Jinks. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
So I've got the '11 census. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
I've got four definite daughters of the marriage. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
George's daughters - Florence, Ida, Alice and Winifred - | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
are all likely to have passed away. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
So Isha needs to find out if they had any children who are still alive | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
and heirs to the estate. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
And then I'll probably work Ida first, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
cos she's got the better name. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
She's born June 1903. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
But, frustratingly, Ida died without having any children. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
So, next, she turns her attention to Alice. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
And Alice Elizabeth is born the 4th of July... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
..1905. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
She's 97 when she died. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
Isha's hoping that, unlike her sister Ida, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Alice went on to have children. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
I'm just going to check anyway. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
It doesn't look like Alice had any children. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
It's disappointing news. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
And Isha soon discovers that the third sister, Winifred, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
also died a spinster. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
All hopes now rest with George's final daughter, Florence. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
So I'm going to just look for Florence Edith, | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
born 1899, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
dying in Leicester. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
See if any come up. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
From looking at the deaths, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
there is a Florence Edith Pawley, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
spelt P-A-W-L-E-Y. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
She's born 14th of February, 1900. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
Dies... | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
August 1984, Leicester. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
So, hopefully, she has at least one | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
child that we can work with. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
And Isha soon discovers that Florence married | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
and seems to have had a child. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
So there's only one daughter off of this marriage. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
But Isha has reason to be cautious. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
It's a bit odd, because it's 18 years after the marriage | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
and there only seems to be one... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
child. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
But as Isha receives the birth certificate | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
for her suspected heir... | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
No, this is all wrong. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
..the team face some bad news. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
The indexes suggested that there was a child from this marriage, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
but subsequent research has now eliminated that. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
In fact, that's a stem that dies out. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
With no heirs, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
and absolutely no link to the man | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
who brought the case to their attention, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
there is an awful lot to do before this case is cracked. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
How's everything going on the Dennis side of the family? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Whenever the Government releases the Bona Vacantia list | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
of unclaimed estates, there's a flurry of activity | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
at heir hunting firms up and down the country. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
It's always a bit exciting when the new Bona Vacantia list comes out for | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
that day. Obviously, we have no idea what's going to be on the list, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
how many adverts will be there, how many high-value cases. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Generally, we have no idea what's coming. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
So it can go from maybe 10, 20, 30, 40 cases | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
one day to just having one estate on the list the next day. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
Case manager Ryan Gregory | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
at London-based firm Finders International | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
recently had a particularly busy day. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
We knew straightaway this case was going to be highly competitive. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
If there's only one advert on the list, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
this obviously puts the pressure on. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
And this estate was worth around £250,000, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
but Ryan had no idea it would push | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
him and the team to the limit. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
We knew that every second, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
every minute would count in terms of finding the beneficiaries before | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
anybody else. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
Edmund Arthur Dennis passed away on the 10th of November, 2015, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
in Broomhill Hospital in Essex, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
aged 85. | 0:11:58 | 0:11:59 | |
Edmund was born and bred in Essex and, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
although he kept himself to himself, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
he was befriended by neighbours Kathleen and Alan, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
who knew him as Eddie. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
Oh, Eddie was lovely. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
He was just... | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
..a very private person - very private - | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
but he did like to have people to have a chat to. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
And he was always a very pleasant - what's the word? - | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
equable sort of character, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
and... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
..quite approachable once you knew him. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Very little is known about Edmund's life, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
but he did have one big passion that he shared with Kathleen and Alan. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
He was very keen on gardening and, since I retired, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
I was doing more of it myself, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
so we used to chat quite a lot... | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
..about garden matters. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
He used to give us little plants and shoots. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Whatever time of year it was, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
he used to put the different flowers | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
in and looked after it really well. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
He used to love his garden. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
Edmund had always been a very active man but, unexpectedly, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
his health took a sharp turn for the worse. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
He suddenly developed... | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
..symptoms, shall we say, of lack of energy, which wasn't his thing. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
He was always quite energetic for an 80-year-old and more. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Eddie died... | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
fairly suddenly. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
It was very, very sad and fairly sudden and, to some extent, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
unexpected, in the end, yes. Yes. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
But despite living next door to Edmund for over 35 years, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
his friends didn't know of any family. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Ever since we've been here - Alan's been here since the '70s - | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
he's never had any family, we never saw anyone. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
No. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
Yeah, it did get a bit bigger. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
There's quite a lot of cousins! | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Yeah, a lot of cousins, yeah. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
Edmund hadn't left a will, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
and it was down to the team | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
to try and find heirs to his high-value estate. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
They began by trying to establish | 0:14:19 | 0:14:20 | |
if Edmund had ever married or had children. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Interestingly for us, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
there's a Maud B Dennis | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
who appears to have lived at the address | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
until about 1989. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Maud could be someone that Edmund was married to. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
If Maud was Edmund's wife, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
it could give Ryan an early break | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
and the edge on his competitors. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
But you can see straightaway, the top entry is a Maud Bessie Dennis, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
who died in 1989 in the correct area of Essex. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
But Ryan's excitement was short lived. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
We can see from her date of birth, she was born in 1903. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
Therefore, she would have been too old to be Edmund's spouse, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
and more likely fitting in of the... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
..scenario that she was Edmund's mother. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Further searches revealed that Edmund had been a bachelor | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
and hadn't had any children, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
so the team needed to look to his wider family. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
They decided to divide and conquer, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
with researcher Camilla Price focusing on the maternal side | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
whilst case manager Ryan looked into Edmund's father's family. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
We want to work via the quickest channel possible in order to just, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
hopefully, get the quickest results. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
Yeah, if there's anything we can use to narrow down the search, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
it's obviously beneficial to us when we are racing against the clock. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
With every firm up and down the country also | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
potentially searching for beneficiaries, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
the team had to work fast. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
With any case when... | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
..there's a new advert out that day, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
we have to go as quickly as we can. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
But working fast can have its disadvantages. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
There's no time to wait for all of the certificates | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
to come into the office. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:11 | |
It's a tactic that carries risk. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
It's really hard to know | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
that family tree is 100% correct until those certificates | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
are in the office and can confirm that you are dealing with | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
the right family and the right people. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
It can be very hard to know that you are on the right track. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
Camilla got straight on it, searching for Edmund's mother, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Maud Bessie Carlick, on the 1911 census. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
We were able to see that Maud had two older brothers | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
called Edward and William. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Just had two stems to work with. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
I took one. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Despite the heavy workload, within a matter of hours, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
Camilla was storming ahead, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
working the stems of Edmund's maternal aunts and uncles, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
hoping to find Edmund's cousins or their descendants. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
The ideal scenario for us when we're looking into any intestacy case | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
would be to be conducting the research, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
to be getting results within the first hours of the research. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
To then find people. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
Hopefully, to have a phone number, we can speak to them | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
and arrange a visit. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
And Camilla didn't disappoint. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Located a cousin, was able to speak to them, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
and we got a representative out quite quickly. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Camilla was closing in on potential maternal heirs. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
With the clock ticking, Ryan was making progress | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
on the paternal side | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
and had established that Edmund's grandparents, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Ebenezer John Dennis and Beatrice Jane Coulter, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
had married in 1894. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
But as he searched the Census records for Edmund's siblings... | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
..he ran into a problem. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
So on the 1901 and 1911 census records, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Ebenezer is listed as a brewers employee. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
But, then, when we ordered his marriage certificate | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
to Beatrice Jane Quilter, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
we saw that his profession was actually down as a baker. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
Had Ryan taken a wrong turn, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
or had Ebenezer simply changed professions? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
So Ebenezer Dennis was a baker in the 1890s, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
right at the end of the Victorian period. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
The Victorian era had seen a massive change in the baking industry. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
Since as far back as the Roman times, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
bread had been gracing dinner tables all over Britain. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
By the Victorian age, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
the average family of six would eat the equivalent | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
of 31 loaves of bread each week. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
So it's no wonder the local baker was at the heart of | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
every rural community. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
This is indicative what a bakery in a small working town | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
in a rural part of the country | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
would have looked like around 1890. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
So, by then, bread production was still mostly done by hand | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
by a team of staff of three or four people, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
and manually kneading the dough in a dough trough | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
like we have beneath the counter. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
As a baker in the late 1800s, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
Ebenezer would have been providing a vital service for the | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
local community. But all that was about to change | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
as the Industrial Revolution swept across England. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
The population in England in general had doubled, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
so they were forced into trying to compete with mass production, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
and by doing it by hand, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
it's pretty much impossible to keep up with demand. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
As traditional bakers struggled, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
larger, industrialised bakeries took over. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
A bread machine working in a factory could produce 400 loaves of bread | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
from two 20st bags of flour | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
in under 40 minutes. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Man making dough manually in a dough trough would have to knead it for | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
an hour and a half, and could take up to six hours | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
to produce that amount of bread. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
So the consequence of that meant that many small bakers | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
were put out of business. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Records suggest Ebenezer was working as a baker right in the middle of | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
these transitional times. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
We know that Ebenezer Dennis | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
changed his profession from being a Victorian baker | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
to being a brewers labourer. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
So it may have been as a result of industrialisation, the introduction | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
of machines that they could no longer compete against, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
that they went out of business | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
and he had to seek alternative employment. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
We could still, obviously, be letting them know | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
a bit about this section of the family tree. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
After he switched professions from a baker to a brewer, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
Ebenezer and his wife Beatrice had five children, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
including Edmund's father, Arthur. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
One of these children, James, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
died in infancy, and another, Ronald, died as a bachelor. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
There was good news on the line of Beatrice, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
as she appeared to have married and had children. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
But when they looked into the final sibling, Harry, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
they hit another snag. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
One main delaying factor for us | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
was the fact that the eldest born, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
Harry John Dennis, actually emigrated to Australia. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
He married in Australia. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
They're not records we freely have access to here. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
It was a frustrating setback. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
But, across the office, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
Camilla was making good progress on the maternal side | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
and had already located a number of potential heirs. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
Within those few hours, competition were already catching up, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
so we were trying to get visits out | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
very quickly and speak to people as soon as we could. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
It was a triumphant result. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
In just one day, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
Camilla had signed up eight potential heirs | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
on the maternal side of the family. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
We had already retained a couple of signatures from a few | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
beneficiaries and we were hopeful | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
that everything seemed to be going quite smoothly at that stage. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
But Camilla's research was about to be derailed. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
The next day, I spoke to a beneficiary. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
She believed that she may not be part of the correct family | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
and that she may potentially be a half-blood cousin once removed. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
At this stage, Ryan believed he'd found possible full blood heirs | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
on the paternal side, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
so that meant any half-blood relatives would not be entitled. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Camilla now had to wait for certificates to come in | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
to see if the heirs she'd found were indeed half-blood. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
After receiving her birth certificate in the office, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
we realised that, even though Maud was registered as a Carlick, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
she was actually an illegitimate birth. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
Edmund's mother, Maud, was born after her father had died, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
which meant he wasn't listed on the birth certificate. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
It was disastrous news for the team. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
We no longer had any full-blood maternal heirs, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
and only half-bloods, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
so this drastically changed our research | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
and meant that we now had no maternal side to our family. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
It meant none of the heirs Camilla had signed would be entitled. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
We could have spent an hour, a couple of hours, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
potentially even a day working the wrong family, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
and someone else might be working the right one. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
All hopes of finding heirs to this £250,000 estate | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
now rested with the paternal side of the family. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
But would the team be able to get there ahead of the competition? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
get a surprise knock on the door from heir hunters. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
I found that amazing, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
that I had that side of the family | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
that I didn't know existed. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
As well as handing over life-changing sums of money, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
the heir hunters can bring long-lost relatives back together. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
And I was quite shocked | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
because I didn't realise that there was anybody in the family that we | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
could inherit from any more. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
But thousands of estates have eluded the heir hunters | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
and remain unsolved. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates yet to be claimed. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
or know someone that is? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
The first case is... | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
He was born in London on... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
..and died in... | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
John was married, and it's thought he may have had a sister, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
and may have also used the middle name of Edward. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
Is there a chance you could be related, or know someone who is? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
This second case is... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
She was born in... | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
..and died on the... | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
..in... | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Do you know a Goff or a Yalden? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
At Fraser and Fraser in Central London... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
We're getting further liabilities come to light and/or assets come to | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
light as well. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
..heir hunters Dave and Isha are frantically | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
trying to find beneficiaries for the estate of Edith Smith | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
after being tipped off by a gentleman | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
who thinks he might be an heir. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
So that's where it stands at the moment. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
It's incredibly rare to receive a phone call like I did, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
where the person who's phoned me, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
believes they're related to the deceased, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
but don't know to what degree they're related | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
or, indeed, to what side of the family they're related. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Edith didn't leave a will, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
so the team have been trying to build a family tree | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
to try to find out if there's any truth in the caller's claims | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
and whether there were any other potential heirs | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
to Edith's £140,000 estate. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
And he asked us if we could firstly | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
establish if he was, indeed, related, and to what degree. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
Hello? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
Isha thought she'd found a potential heir | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
through one of Edith's paternal uncles, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:42 | |
but she discovered she'd been researching the wrong family. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
It was just pure fluke that there were two families in the same area, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
at the same time, with the same surnames, having children. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
No, that's no good to you, to use that. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
While Isha continues the search for Smith relatives, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Dave has been able to make some progress | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
on the maternal Cooke side of the family. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
What we want to now establish - | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
are there other brothers and sisters to the deceased's mother | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
who would have descendants alive, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
who would, of course, be entitled parties in this estate? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
To do this, Dave has had to look into the maternal grandparents, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Benjamin Cooke and Mary Dovaston, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
and search for their children. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
And, immediately, something caught his eye. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
Unusually, the father had this great profession - | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
he was a master hatter... | 0:27:41 | 0:27:42 | |
..based in Oxford Street in Leicester. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
In the late 19th and early 20th century, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
hats were at the peak of their popularity in England, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
with hat manufacturing one of the busiest industries of the era. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
Everyone wore a hat - man, woman and child. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
You wouldn't leave the house without a hat. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
But not just any old hat would do. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Your choice of headwear was governed by stringent rules. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
The hat etiquette at this time was very strict. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
What kind of hat you wore depended on your status and your role in | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
society. The foreman of a factory would wear one kind of hat, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
whereas the workers would wear another. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Men like Edith's grandfather, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
Benjamin Cooke, who made hats for a living, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
were referred to as hatters. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Benjamin Cooke would have mainly been making silk top hats. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
It was all done by hand in the time we're thinking about, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
so you'd have to spend many years training to get it exactly right. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
It was quite a lonely job, because you'd be in a room all by yourself. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
It may have been hard work for very little pay, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
but hatters did get some perks. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Bosses would insist on their staff drinking a large quantity of beer | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
each day, and for good reason. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Then the urine, at the end of the day, would be put into a bucket, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
and then the urea from that would be used for the felting process with | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
wool. All the hatters would live along a road and, at the end of the | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
night, or in the morning, you'd leave your bucket of urine | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
outside and you'd get a penny for your bucket, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
hence why there are so many Penny Lanes around the country. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
However, there was one major drawback | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
to this fascinating profession. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:27 | |
Being a hatter was not a healthy occupation. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
You were surrounded by toxic chemicals, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
with the main toxicity being mercury. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
Mercury poisoning gives you the shakes, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
it makes you hallucinate, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
and it makes you appear insane. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
This is where the phrase "mad as a hatter" originated from. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
And, eventually, it will kill you. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Not a very nice disease. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
All right, thank you very much for your time. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
Take care, bye-bye. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:04 | |
From looking at his death certificate, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
it seems Benjamin died from another condition | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
linked to exposure to mercury. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
Benjamin, the grandfather, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:13 | |
died when he was only 51 of cirrhosis of the liver. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
The team had been trying to establish | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
how many children Benjamin had before his untimely death. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
Now, the grandfather's deceased by 1906, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
but the 1911 Census shows that she had five children. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
In theory, four other aunts and uncles to the deceased | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
who could have descendants alive who could be entitled. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
Dave established that, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:42 | |
after Benjamin Cooke married Mary Dovaston, they had | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Edith's mother, Florence, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
and four other children - | 0:30:47 | 0:30:48 | |
Caroline, Thomas, Arthur and Emily. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
But after further research into these aunts and uncles, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
things weren't looking good for the team. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Caroline, who was married to Mr Bates and died without any issue. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
Thomas, who we believe was a casualty of the First World War. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
Arthur Benjamin Cooke, who died a bachelor. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
That means all hope of finding heirs on the maternal family and | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
establishing whether or not the mystery caller | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
is a long-lost relative rests with Edith's one remaining aunt. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
Emily, the youngest, who was married to Mr Coleman, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
and that's the only stem on the maternal family | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
that has a descendant alive. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
So although we started off with four maternal aunts and uncles, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
we've ended up with literally just one beneficiary | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
entitled on that side of the family. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Dave has managed to make contact with the sole maternal heir, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
so it's a major breakthrough. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Things are also looking up on the Smith side of the family. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
The team have established that there are several potential heirs from | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Edith's aunt, Ellen, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
which just leaves the stem of her other aunt, Sarah, to crack. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
Fingers crossed she's at home and I can actually get to see her. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
And, today, one of the firm's travelling researchers, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Ewart Lindsay, is on his way | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
to visit a lady they believe may be Sarah's granddaughter. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Yeah, I'm just about to go and see a cousin once removed | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
on this case of Smith. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
I'll go and see if she's at home | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
and if I can get to speak to her... | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
..and go through the family with her, you know? | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
If the lady is in and can confirm she's an heir, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
the team could be close to wrapping up this tricky case. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
But it's not good news. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
Unfortunately she's not at home, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
still not home, so I've left her a letter... | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
..and hopefully she'll get back, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
probably later on today or tomorrow. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
In the office, Dave's got wind of the bad news. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
This is typical of my luck - she's not at home, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
so we can't determine if we've got the right heir or not. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
A few days later, though, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
Dave's made a breakthrough and managed to answer a key question - | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
whether the man who has referred the case to them is a relative or not. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
So the first stem that we researched was the paternal aunt of the | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
deceased, Sarah Smith. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
She had just one child, called Evelyn, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
who was a first cousin to the deceased. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
But it was one of her grandsons, Richard, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
who had contacted Dave in the first place, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
and was now confirmed as an heir. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
I knew I was connected in a way, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
but I didn't know whether I was bloodline, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
or which side of the family I was connected. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
I was traced to being a first cousin twice removed. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Richard had known of Edith since he was a little boy | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
and has fond memories of the times he spent with her | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
when he was growing up. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
Well, I knew Edith, really, from an early age. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
She used to go... | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
..to my grandma's on a Saturday afternoon. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
She used to go from her home in Anstey | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
and always visit my grandma on a Saturday. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
It was always pleasant, you know, and that sort of thing. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
Liked her. She loved her tea. When you went round, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
she always liked a cup of tea. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
After Edith passed away, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
Richard tried to help organise her affairs | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
and found this photo album in her house. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
This first photo we've got in the album is of Edith. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
I don't know how old - not very old - looking very... | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Looking very cheerful and a good head of hair. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
This has helped him fill in the blanks about his family history. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
Edith sitting, it looks like, on holiday at the seaside, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
sitting on the beach with my grandma. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
Both smiling, enjoying themselves. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
I'm not sure how old she'd be there, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
but that's how we always remembered Edith. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
She sort of looked like that from then on, until her latter years. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Richard will share Edith's £140,000 estate | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
with seven other heirs. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
For Dave, having successfully found the right beneficiaries, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
as well as solving the mystery of Richard's long-lost family, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
it's certainly one phone call he's glad he took. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
We were very fortunate to have Mr Tebbit phone us up directly. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
And a lot of the times I take phone calls and those matters don't go | 0:35:38 | 0:35:44 | |
anywhere at all. So this is one of those few that come across my desk | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
which were really worth working. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
I'm struggling to find contact details for this guy. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
The team at Finders International | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
had been racing to find beneficiaries | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
for the £250,000 estate of Edmund Dennis, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
who passed away in 2015. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
We knew straightaway this case was going to be highly competitive. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Edmund didn't leave a will, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
so his sizeable estate was advertised by the Government. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
But as it was the only case published that day, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
the team faced stiff competition from rival firms. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
Immediately, from the offset, with only one case, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
we were kind of up against it, in terms of competition. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
The team had started finding potential heirs | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
on both sides of the family, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
but they'd suffered a setback on the maternal side when they discovered | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
the eight heirs they'd found were half-blood cousins, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
and therefore unlikely to be entitled. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
When we find out that we've taken a wrong step, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
we'll realise then that we're most likely behind. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
We could have spent an hour, couple of hours, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
potentially even a day working the wrong family, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
and someone else might be working the right one. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
We need to map it out. It's good that someone else told us. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
To stay ahead of rival firms, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
the team needed to work fast and complete their research | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
into the paternal side of the family. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
And they were now focused on Edmund's aunt, Beatrice. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
The main problem for us was that she married a Walter Frederick Johnson. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
Despite the tricky surname, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
Ryan was able to find some vital information about Beatrice. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
Found out that Beatrice had seven children | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
in the years between 1917 and 1929. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
For us, at this stage, we want to hopefully find one of these children | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
who are still alive. They'd be a cousin of the deceased | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
and a key port of information for us. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:44 | |
Using every resource at his disposal, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Ryan and the team successfully traced all seven children. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
But, despite his best efforts, Ryan | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
was about to receive another setback. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
What we found out, that all of the children of Beatrice actually had | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
passed away. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
With a £250,000 estate at stake, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
it's the last thing he wanted to hear. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
So, again, we're dropping down another generation. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
It's quite frantic for us to try and get to a beneficiary | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
before the competition. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:18 | |
The pressure was mounting. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
It means that we are at the mercy | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
of how good... | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
..any other competitors' research is. How quick are they? | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
Do they have other resources? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Can you try and trace them through and speak to them, and find out | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
whether they're related or not? | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
Ryan and the team used every record they could find | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
to piece together Beatrice's family. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
It is quite a big family - | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
seven children now have all passed away. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
If each of those seven children had a number of children of their own, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
you can see how quickly the tree gets bigger and bigger. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
There were 24 - at least 24 - beneficiaries on the paternal side. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
It was the breakthrough the team desperately needed. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
With 24 potential heirs on the horizon, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
Ryan knew their efforts were starting to pay off. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
The paternal side, it was quite easy for us to get a lead in to the | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
paternal family. Everything was going well - | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
we had reps out to the beneficiaries. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
But the team's excitement was short-lived. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
As they made contact with the potential paternal heirs, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
they got bad news... | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
..some of them had already been spoken to by rival firms. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
I feel we could have had more luck on our side with this case. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
We faced a bit of a delay by contacting people | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
who were no longer entitled on the maternal side of the family. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
When it came to the paternal side of the family, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
we were having a string of bad luck | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
with getting hold of people. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:46 | |
But Ryan wasn't giving up without a fight. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
He knew any hopes of signing further beneficiaries rested with the | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
potentially tricky stem of Edmund's cousin, Eric. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
We knew we were looking for an Eric H Johnson | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
who was born in 1920, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
and we found out that Eric actually, unfortunately, passed away in 2005. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
The thing which delayed the search for his descendants | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
was the fact that he'd moved from Essex to Kent. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
It's a neighbouring county but, obviously, it threw up a lot more | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
possibilities, in terms of potential marriages. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
Ryan was in luck and managed to find a marriage record for Eric | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
to a Daphne Ellis in 1944. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
They had four children - one of them was Wayne, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
who Ryan believed was Edmund's cousin once removed. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
Was Ryan finally closing in on an heir? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
I was quite surprised, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
a little bit shocked, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
to find out that I had a long-lost relative who's... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
..passed on. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
For Wayne, the news came like a bolt out of the blue. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
And he'd never mentioned him. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
He didn't say a lot, my father, about his family, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
so it was a bit of a surprise, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
as I'd never met him. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:07 | |
I'd never met the gentleman. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Wayne has spent much of his life working away at sea | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
in the Merchant Navy. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
The first day I went to sea, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
I remember was the day that President Kennedy died. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
It's faded now... | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
This is when I started off - | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
the beginning of my career. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
But his seafaring career didn't leave much time for family. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
I lost all contact with them. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Travelling around the world, I never did meet many of them. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
I wish that I-I... | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
..had kept in contact with them. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
It would have been interesting to... | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
..see how they're getting along. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
After a tough search with plenty of pressure from the competition, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
the case had worked out well for Ryan and the team. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
They'd signed up eight of Edmund's heirs | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
and were pleased with the result. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
I guess when you speak to beneficiaries, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
and they can confirm that you have | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
the right family and that everything is correct, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
it makes everything so much more rewarding. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
You can never really be too content with the research that you've done | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
until the case is at a stage where it's going to pay out, really. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
There's so many different scenarios that could happen which could twist | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
the research on its head. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
For heir Wayne, after years at sea, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
he's now settled in the UK. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
And discovering he's an heir has given him extra motivation | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
to find out more about his extended family... | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
It would be interesting to find out who my relative was, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
to see what he had done with his life. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
That would be interesting to find out. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
..and not just the ones in the past. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
Now that I'm retired, maybe I would have the chance now to... | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
..go up and visit them. I'd have to find out where they all live. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
But...that won't be hard to do. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 |