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Today, a highly competitive case is overrun with obstacles...

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It is a nightmare when you do a case and then you find out there is an

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illegitimate birth.

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..whilst research into a quiet lady from Winchester...

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It is strange for half the siblings to be born up north,

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and then half to be born down south.

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..reveals the shocking story of a fugitive on the run.

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He's a wanted man. If he's caught, he will be imprisoned.

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It is all in a day's work for the heir hunters.

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They have got the mortgage.

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It's Wednesday morning.

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It is not always going to, obviously, be bank accounts,

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could be a mortgage company.

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At the offices of Finders International in central London,

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the Government's Bona Vacantia list of unclaimed estates has just been released.

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And it looks like case manager, Ryan Gregory, and the team,

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are in for a busy day.

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It has been a huge list...

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..released by the Bona Vacantia departments today, so there has been 41 adds.

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It just adds a bit of an extra element of pressure and stress.

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Competition to find heirs to unclaimed estates is fierce.

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Across the UK, rival firms will also be poring over the list,

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trying to decide which cases to work.

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We don't know how big their teams are and how many people are put on any one case,

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so we have to work as quick as possible.

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When we are trying to go through the Bona Vacantia lists to figure out which cases

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are worth prioritising over the others,

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a key bit of information for us is the records held by the Land Registry.

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If we can find out someone who is on the list owned their property,

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this for us means that this is a case that

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we would put above the others.

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For Ryan, one case stands out,

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the estate of Joyce Marian Cole.

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She owned a flat in South London,

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and it is a key indication that the case may be valuable.

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I think, if it was a whole house,

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it could be worth in the region of about half a million,

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but I can't get too bogged down with figuring out how much a flat

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is worth, but presumably, 250, 300.

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It is a healthy estate.

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But having lost precious time sifting through the long list

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of unclaimed estates, Ryan is keen to crack on with the research.

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So I am slightly panicking just in case I'm behind.

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-Yeah, it's all go.

-You are always wondering what the competitors that

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you facing against are doing.

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Are they going to have a representative nearer on the day?

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Are they going to get to the beneficiary first?

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We really don't know at that stage,

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so we have got to do everything with a high level of urgency.

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Joyce Marian Cole passed away on the 19th of June 2015, aged 89.

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She died in South London, where she had lived her whole life.

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Very little is known about Joyce, but at St George's Church, close to where she lived,

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she was known by members of the congregation.

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Joyce, I understand, from what I've been told, was a very private lady,

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she kept herself to herself.

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She was a nice person.

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She was part of that local road,

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and a lot of people would have known her just by saying good morning,

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how are you, etc.

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The community has changed dramatically over the years,

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but Reverend Wells remembers how it would have been when Joyce first moved in.

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Years ago there was a great community.

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People would know each other, people would knock on each other's doors,

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say "Hi, how are you?"

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You know, when children was growing up,

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people would know who Mrs Brown next door is, and if you were locked out

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you could go and see Mrs Brown.

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It was like the old scenarios that you hear many times,

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but that is what Joyce would have most probably experienced while she was living around this area.

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As Joyce's estate has been advertised as unclaimed,

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the search for heirs is on.

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OK, so, I'm listening, but I'm just trying to do this at the same time,

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so just keep talking.

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In the office, the team are hard at work.

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So, so far, I have found that Joyce Marian Cole, she married in 1964.

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I can't find any children.

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Having ruled out next of kin,

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Ryan needs to find out if Joyce had any brothers or sisters.

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If they or their children are still alive,

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they would be in line to inherit Joyce's sizeable estate,

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and early signs suggest it could be a straightforward search.

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Her dad's surname was Dawber, which is an unusual surname.

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Likewise, her mum's maiden name was Munt, which is a good surname, too.

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The catch with unusual surnames is that...

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..someone else, somewhere, could be...

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is likely finding the research quite quick as well, so...

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Ryan has established that Joyce's parents, Edwin Dawber and Emily Munt,

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married in 1921, and as well as Joyce, they had one other daughter,

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called Doris.

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The key thing actually I need to do first is find out what happened

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to Joyce's sister.

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If Doris is alive,

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she'd be the sole heir to Joyce's estate.

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And breathe!

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But they quickly learned she died in 1998, and didn't have any children.

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The team must now turn their attention to Joyce's wider family.

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Suzanne, Dawber or Munt?

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Unusual names.

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-Quite unusual, yeah.

-Munt.

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Munt? OK.

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Whilst Ryan focuses on Joyce's father's family, the Dawbers...

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Initially, then, we can start drafting in other people.

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-OK.

-Shall I pass that...

-Do you want to pass that on to Ellie?

-Yeah.

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..case manager, Suzanne, starts looking into the maternal Munt side.

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But she soon hits a problem with Joyce's mother, Emily.

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I'm finding it quite difficult to pinpoint

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which Emily Munt that she is.

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There is one in north London, Edmonton.

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There is one in St Albans, which is just north of there,

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so I'm just trying to work out which one that she is.

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We need to get cracking on this side, then.

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After a tricky search, Suzanne has found records

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for Joyce's mother, Emily.

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From there, she is able to establish

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that Joyce's maternal grandparents were Charles Munt

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and Annie Salter, and they had eight children, including Emily.

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The year 1911 is really useful,

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because it says exactly how many years they were married,

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how many children they've had, six who were still living in 1911,

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so it is quite a large family.

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The team are under pressure to stay ahead of the competition,

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and with six stems to research, they are going to need to work fast.

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So, Suzanne, do you reckon we should

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just get all hands on deck on this one?

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Yeah.

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Ryan must also carry on researching the paternal side of the family.

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Schofield Dawber, so he is the paternal grandfather.

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But Ryan's search for paternal heirs is about to be dealt a major blow.

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I am going back through the Census records, which were every ten years.

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I am picking up the paternal grandparents, and

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the only child that ever pops up with them is Edwin.

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So, yeah, I mean it is looking more and more likely that the paternal

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side dies out.

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If one of the sides of the family dies out,

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ie there are no surviving descendants,

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the thoughts for us go to,

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are there actually going to be any survivors that would be entitled to

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inherit from this estate?

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So, if ever that happens, we really hope that,

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if there is no heirs on one side,

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we are going to find beneficiaries on the other side of the family.

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With the pressure now on to trace Joyce's maternal aunts and uncles as

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quickly as possible, the team learns something about Joyce's mum, Emily,

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that could throw a spanner in the works.

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Just given that you said that Emily was a...

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She worked in domestic service, didn't she?

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She was a servant. I just want to check illegitimate births as well.

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The discovery that Emily worked as a servant

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is ringing alarm bells for Ryan.

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From experience, and our knowledge of social history, we know that,

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if there is going to be illegitimate children born,

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one of the areas where they would stem from is,

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if a female was working in the domestic service industries.

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If Emily had any illegitimate children before she married Joyce's father,

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Edwin, it could have a dramatic impact on the case.

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It is a nightmare when you do the case to find out there is an

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illegitimate birth.

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They'd be half blood siblings of the deceased,

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and any descendants would have a prior claim,

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so it could be quite important.

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Worryingly, Ryan soon finds a birth for a Grace Emily Munt,

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and is wondering if she could be Joyce's half blood sibling.

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I'm going to look into the...

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Whoever this Grace Emily Munt is,

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just given that the E stands for Emily,

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and that is the deceased mum's name.

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It could be that Emily has gone back home to have a child illegitimately.

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If alive, Grace would be sole heir.

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Although he feels sure he has uncovered an illegitimate daughter of Emily,

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Ryan needs to confirm that Grace is in fact Joyce's half-sister.

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If it turns out there is no half blood siblings,

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we will obviously need to do both sides.

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Until Ryan can prove whether or not Grace is a half blood sibling,

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the team must continue the search for cousins.

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Taking a bit of a risk, or just using a different route to something,

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is the thing that helps us kind of get ahead of the competition.

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But all their hard work tracking down potential heirs...

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You are connected via Joyce's mum, Emily Munt.

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..will go to waste if it turns out that Joyce did indeed have a half-sister.

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The half blood siblings of the deceased would be entitled to inherit from

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the estate in priority to the maternal or paternal beneficiaries.

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The heir hunters' work can uncover hidden family histories with the power to surprise.

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We have got all the details ready,

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I have just got to put it on an actual...

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And the team often get caught up in the twists and turns of a family mystery.

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One of the fascinating bits about the whole job is when you start

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discovering about who they're going to be, where they've come from,

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what their past is, what they did.

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And every now and then, you come across an absolute gem.

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One of those situations where you go, "That is incredible."

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Case manager at Fraser and Fraser Ben Cornish,

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has been working one such case.

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So, the case we are looking at is Joyce De La Salle.

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It was a case that was advertised by the Government legal department.

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With any case that is advertised by the Government legal department,

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you're going to have competition on it.

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But, as De La Salle is a rare surname,

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Ben thought he could beat his competitors.

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It is one of those names which is easy,

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so we decided to have a look into it.

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Ben quickly found that, although Joyce was born in south London in 1931,

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she had ended up living in Winchester.

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Neighbour Jennifer Parker, socialised with Joyce,

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and they had a shared love of their adopted city.

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It is a beautiful city to live in.

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Residents of the flats often saw Joyce going out on shopping trips.

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She was little and grey and always had a great big...

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One of those trolleys, with bright colours all over it, you know,

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but she tended mostly to dress in grey.

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She was just a little old lady.

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Joyce was known for being private.

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She just seemed to live in her own little world,

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and sometimes when we have had coffee, she has been fine,

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but she never spoke about anything that was personal to her.

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Joyce passed away in 2014, aged 83, with no known next of kin.

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With neighbours unable to help en, he had to rely on records,

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as he started his search for heirs.

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When we initially looked into the case of Joyce De La Salle,

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it was released that she was a widow.

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So the first thing we did was look for her marriage to Mr De La Salle.

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And Joyce Fulbrook married a Peter James De La Salle in 1968 in Croydon.

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No children were born to the marriage,

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and Mr De La Salle died in 1978 in Witney.

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With no children, attention turned to Joyce's parents,

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and whether she had siblings.

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And Joyce's marriage record gave Ben some crucial information about her family.

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From that, we were able to get that the deceased's maiden name was Fulbrook,

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so the next thing that we would do, is look for a birth of

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a Joyce Fulbrook.

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And there was a Joyce Fulbrook born

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on the second of October 1931 in Lewisham.

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The team ordered her birth certificate,

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and discovered that her parents were Albert Fulbrook and Ethel Chilton.

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The next step was to find a record of their marriage to see if Joyce

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had siblings, and Ben drafted in researcher Katie Peacock.

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But she soon hit a stumbling block.

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So, originally,

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when I was looking for the deceased's parents marriage,

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I was looking in the Lewisham area,

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purely because that is where the deceased was born.

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We were struggling to find a marriage between a Fulbrook

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and the mother's maiden name.

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Hang on, let me get this stuff up.

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Finding this marriage certificate was vital.

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The marriage record is crucial for any estate that we look into.

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The reason being is it has so much information about the family on.

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But after looking high and low for a marriage between Albert Fulbrook and

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Ethel Chilton, the team couldn't find anything.

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It definitely did make it a bit more tricky.

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Instead, they searched for records of children born to a Fulbrook and a Chilton.

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When we look into these cases,

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we like the unusual combination of surname and mother's maiden name.

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It can really help you if the family moves out of the area.

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To their surprise, there are only ten which matched,

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but were they all Albert and Ethel's children?

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The first five were born up north,

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and then the second five came down south,

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to the Lewisham and Bromley area.

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That is where Joyce was born.

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Katie was not convinced that the children born in the North were related

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to Joyce.

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So, it is strange for half the siblings to be born up north

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and then half to be born down south.

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It was possible they were all Joyce's siblings.

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The team scoured records for information on Joyce's father, Albert,

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hoping it might explain why the family had moved to the other end of the country.

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And Albert's military record started to offer some possible clues.

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It gives us his occupation, which was a stoker in the Royal Navy.

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Albert joined the Navy in 1904,

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at a time when Britain ruled the seas with its coal-fired battleships.

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His job as a stoker meant shovelling coal into the ship's boilers,

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all day, every day.

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The stoker is the backbone of the Royal Navy.

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Without him, it goes nowhere.

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It is quite a skilled job, and senior stokers are paid quite well.

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It is a dirty, physical process of lifting and moving

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large amounts of coal, so you are working in a super tropical heat,

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wet, damp, hot, sticky conditions.

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Very energy sapping.

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While stoking was hard but well-paid work, it wasn't without its risks.

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If the ship sinks,

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it is highly likely all the stokers will be lost with it,

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because they are right at the bottom of the ship in a very difficult place

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to get out of, so they are the most at risk if the ship sinks.

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When Albert joined in 1904,

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the Navy had over 40 battleships spread across the world,

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from Scotland to South America.

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This meant it was perfectly likely that he may have had to move to a

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different part of the UK.

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We never know where extended family are going to end up.

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They could go very far afield,

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they could go abroad simply to give the family more opportunities.

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But to be sure all ten children were Albert's and Ethel's,

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they ordered the birth certificates for each one.

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If Albert and Ethel's names appeared on all ten certificates,

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it would prove that Joyce had nine siblings.

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Just wanted to check with you a few

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-things that...

-As the certificates came in,

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the youngest seven were all confirmed as Joyce's brothers and sisters.

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But the certificate for the two eldest children revealed a shocking twist.

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It turns out the two first children born are Ethel and Elizabeth,

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and once getting their certificates back,

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we managed to find that the father of the deceased was James Saunders.

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It was a bombshell.

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With the father's name on the certificate shown as James Saunders,

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the search had been thrown completely off course.

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Did this mean the eldest two children were from a different family?

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When originally looking at the certificate and seeing that the father had

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a different name, it made me think, is this father the original father?

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But the plot was about to thicken further.

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A closer inspection of the birth certificates revealed a surprise

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connection between James and Albert.

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Actually, on the certificates themselves,

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they have a little note at the side, saying,

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father's also known as Albert Bartholomew Fulbrook.

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This was edited in 1915,

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so that would've been four years after Ethel was born.

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It was an extraordinary revelation.

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Albert Fulbrook and James Saunders were the same man.

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The certificate showed Albert had changed his name to James Saunders

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before having children with Ethel in 1911.

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He had then changed his name back to Albert Fulbrook by 1915.

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We don't really often see that, so, yeah,

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it was very different on this case.

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It was a mystery for the team as to why Albert had changed his name,

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but now they had exposed his secret life under the name of Saunders,

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they were finally able to find his marriage to Joyce's mother.

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We came up with the marriage, which was actually in 1910,

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they married as James Saunders and Ethel Chilton.

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The fact Albert had married and had his first two children whilst

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apparently leading a double life had turned this into a highly intriguing

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case for the team.

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So, what have we got?

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But the reason why Albert changed his name to James Saunders would be yet

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another surprise.

0:19:220:19:25

OK, thank you.

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Researching families, we never know what we are going to get.

0:19:260:19:29

I think he has just assumed someone's identity,

0:19:290:19:31

and obviously that would've been a lot easier than it would be today,

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to obtain someone's identity.

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Would Ben and Katie be able to get to the bottom of this mystery?

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And, crucially, would they be able to find any heirs?

0:19:400:19:44

Every year in Britain,

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thousands of people get a surprise knock on the door from heir hunters.

0:19:480:19:52

As well as handing over life-changing sums of money,

0:19:540:19:57

the heir hunters can bring long lost relatives back together.

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That's how they are connected,

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so Charles was first cousin of your late mum.

0:20:040:20:08

That's a shock.

0:20:100:20:11

But thousands of estates have eluded the heir hunters,

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and remain unsolved.

0:20:150:20:18

Today, we have got details of two estates yet to be claimed.

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Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for,

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or know someone that is?

0:20:250:20:26

The first case is Catherine Mary Toye,

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who was born on the second of February 1910...

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..and died on the 24th of December 1989 in Leicester.

0:20:350:20:39

Catherine's maiden name was Cox,

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and she married George Frederick Toye in Islington in London in 1937.

0:20:420:20:48

She is believed to have had a son.

0:20:480:20:50

Is there a chance you are related, or know someone that could be?

0:20:510:20:55

The second case is Kenneth Hepple,

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who was born on the tenth of June 1936.

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He died on the 19th of January 1987, in Newcastle.

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Kenneth's parents were Robert Hepple, who died in 1966,

0:21:090:21:13

and Bridget Hepple, who died in 1964.

0:21:150:21:18

Do you know a Toye or a Hepple?

0:21:200:21:22

If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall.

0:21:230:21:26

Perfect, thank you very much for your help.

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Bye.

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At Finders International in Central London...

0:21:420:21:45

-Are you writing that?

-These three are alive.

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..Ryan and the team have spent the morning

0:21:490:21:51

frantically trying to find heirs

0:21:510:21:52

to the estate of Joyce Cole...

0:21:520:21:54

..who passed away in June 2015.

0:21:550:21:59

Suzanne, if you want to

0:21:590:22:01

start divvying those up, I will make

0:22:010:22:03

sure everyone's got a copy of these.

0:22:030:22:04

Joyce's estate is estimated to be worth

0:22:040:22:06

in excess of a quarter of a million pounds,

0:22:060:22:08

but having thought they were looking for cousins,

0:22:080:22:11

the team now think Joyce may have had a half blood sister called Grace.

0:22:110:22:16

If she or her descendants were still alive,

0:22:180:22:20

they would be heirs to Joyce's estate.

0:22:200:22:23

Did you look at Harriet?

0:22:280:22:29

-Yeah.

-How did it go?

0:22:290:22:31

She died as a spinster.

0:22:310:22:33

However, Ryan has a new theory about Grace.

0:22:330:22:36

He now thinks she could be the daughter of Joyce's aunt Harriet,

0:22:360:22:39

which would make her a cousin, rather than a half sibling.

0:22:390:22:42

This Grace that I was looking into,

0:22:420:22:44

I'm pretty sure I saw something online which said her mum was Harriet,

0:22:440:22:47

so this illegit could actually be hers.

0:22:470:22:49

-That's what I thought.

-So she married, she died in Southampton.

0:22:490:22:53

I think she perhaps passes away,

0:22:530:22:55

so I need to find out if she has any children that we could speak to,

0:22:550:22:58

to confirm that her mum was Harriet, and the Harriet we are looking into.

0:22:580:23:03

As the team research further into Joyce's aunt Harriet,

0:23:030:23:06

they discover that in the early 20th century,

0:23:060:23:09

she was at the centre of an exciting and lucrative industry.

0:23:090:23:12

In about 1905, 1907, across the south-east,

0:23:140:23:20

there is going to be about 100,000 people working in the straw hat industry.

0:23:200:23:26

And the number of hats they are producing is 30 million hats a year.

0:23:270:23:34

Huge quantities.

0:23:350:23:36

With straw hats at the height of fashion, the industry was booming,

0:23:380:23:42

and the highly skilled women who made them were well placed to capitalise

0:23:420:23:46

on this new demand.

0:23:460:23:48

Harriet working for a hat manufacturer in about 1911,

0:23:490:23:53

around that sort of period,

0:23:530:23:55

she is going to be quite well rewarded for her work.

0:23:550:23:58

She is going to be earning possibly about 12 shillings,

0:23:580:24:02

16 shillings a week.

0:24:020:24:04

But unfortunately for Harriet and her hat making colleagues,

0:24:060:24:09

their new-found wealth came at a cost.

0:24:090:24:12

Women working in the hat industry tended quite unjustly to get rather

0:24:140:24:21

a bad reputation.

0:24:210:24:22

The problem was that they didn't meet social convention.

0:24:220:24:27

They earned a lot of money,

0:24:270:24:30

so they were independent women at a time when

0:24:300:24:33

women weren't supposed to be independent.

0:24:330:24:36

Men from the upper parts of society took a particular dislike to this

0:24:370:24:41

change in gender roles,

0:24:410:24:43

and a backlash of slanderous propaganda was directed at women like Harriet.

0:24:430:24:49

They were accused of being slovenly,

0:24:490:24:51

they didn't keep their homes nice.

0:24:510:24:53

They were accused of being sort of harlots or tarty, loose women,

0:24:530:24:59

and none of that, probably in the majority of cases, was true.

0:24:590:25:04

Oaths put out warning mothers not to let their daughters go in to the

0:25:040:25:10

hat trade, because beware the plait man!

0:25:100:25:13

He would come and get her, and it wouldn't be good if he did.

0:25:130:25:17

But despite this,

0:25:190:25:20

it seems Joyce's aunt Harriet managed to make a success of her time in

0:25:200:25:24

hat making, and crucially for the team,

0:25:240:25:27

they have confirmed that she also went on to have a daughter

0:25:270:25:30

called Grace.

0:25:300:25:31

People will be all over this, basically, so let's get cracking.

0:25:320:25:35

They are now full steam ahead in their search

0:25:350:25:38

for Grace or her descendants,

0:25:380:25:40

but Harriet wasn't Joyce's only aunt.

0:25:400:25:43

-Ellie, how's your bit going?

-The team still have five more of Joyce's

0:25:430:25:46

aunts and uncles to research,

0:25:460:25:48

and they need to find them before their competitors.

0:25:480:25:51

We want to use as many people as quickly as possible, really.

0:25:540:25:57

The only problem being today was that there was

0:25:570:25:59

a few other cases to look at. Me, I think I'm quite competitive,

0:25:590:26:03

so there was a nagging feeling that we are behind.

0:26:030:26:05

Suzanne has worked the line of Joyce's maternal uncle, Frederick Munt.

0:26:050:26:09

She thinks she may have found that he had children who are still alive,

0:26:090:26:12

and it could be a major breakthrough.

0:26:120:26:16

About to call a cousin of the deceased.

0:26:160:26:19

He is the first person I've found,

0:26:190:26:20

and he has potentially got a lot of brothers and sisters, so...

0:26:200:26:23

I thought, it is easier if I just give him a call.

0:26:240:26:26

But Suzanne is not in luck.

0:26:280:26:30

The line is engaged.

0:26:300:26:32

He's on the phone.

0:26:320:26:33

She's worried who the potential heir might be speaking to.

0:26:330:26:37

I think he possibly might be on the phone to, potentially,

0:26:390:26:42

another company.

0:26:420:26:43

So, you know, I will give him a call back in a bit.

0:26:450:26:47

When we are trying to get through to potential beneficiaries,

0:26:490:26:52

if the phone is engaged,

0:26:520:26:53

the first thought always goes through our mind is,

0:26:530:26:55

is the person speaking to one of our competitors, a rival firm?

0:26:550:27:00

It's always something that we worry about.

0:27:000:27:03

But, as the team keep finding more beneficiaries,

0:27:040:27:07

they keep hitting the same problem.

0:27:070:27:09

A couple of the beneficiaries we spoke to had either been contacted by another firm,

0:27:110:27:14

and were reluctant to give us any information,

0:27:140:27:16

or just didn't really want to confirm any details.

0:27:160:27:19

Sometimes, we need,

0:27:190:27:20

as a team, the odd kind of bit of

0:27:200:27:24

good luck, really. I mean, that someone we speak to hasn't talked to anybody else,

0:27:240:27:27

someone we can get a bit of information from.

0:27:270:27:29

Not only for information from the tree, but also as a bit of a lift,

0:27:290:27:32

as a bit of a boost.

0:27:320:27:33

Just when the team think they have hit a brick wall,

0:27:330:27:36

Ryan discovers something of interest.

0:27:360:27:39

Basically, I was looking into a

0:27:390:27:40

maternal cousin, Ernest Munt,

0:27:400:27:42

he was one of the children of Amos Munt.

0:27:420:27:44

I think I have found two daughters to that marriage,

0:27:440:27:47

and they would be first cousins once removed.

0:27:470:27:49

But I'm hoping...

0:27:490:27:51

..that if I ring one of them now,

0:27:520:27:53

then one of them will be able to do some info on this section of the

0:27:530:27:56

family tree.

0:27:560:27:58

It is a long shot, but with pressure from the competition,

0:28:000:28:03

Ryan's hoping this time he will get there first.

0:28:030:28:06

I mean, the luck we are having speaking to beneficiaries today,

0:28:070:28:09

I'm not going to hold my breath, but fingers crossed.

0:28:090:28:13

But early signs are not looking good.

0:28:170:28:20

No, OK, thank you.

0:28:200:28:21

Bye-bye.

0:28:210:28:22

There we go.

0:28:270:28:28

One wrong number, one no answer.

0:28:280:28:31

It's kind of the theme of the day so far.

0:28:320:28:34

All is not lost.

0:28:360:28:38

Ryan has another lead on the stem of Joyce's uncle Amos,

0:28:380:28:41

and he thinks he's found a number for one of his great granddaughters.

0:28:410:28:45

Hello, it's Ryan Gregory.

0:28:450:28:47

I'm with Heir Hunters, and we're looking into the Munt family tree.

0:28:470:28:51

Will it be second time lucky?

0:28:530:28:55

I'm really pleased to have got you, actually, because I've been trying...

0:28:570:29:00

We, as a team, have been trying to get hold of people all morning.

0:29:000:29:04

After a tough start, Ryan has finally spoken to a potential heir.

0:29:060:29:10

Thank you so much for your time.

0:29:100:29:12

Speak soon. Bye-bye.

0:29:120:29:13

It, kind of, couldn't have gone any better, which is nice.

0:29:150:29:18

So a bit more research to do, erm, but,

0:29:180:29:21

kind of, quite satisfying to have finally got to that stage.

0:29:210:29:25

And there's more good news on the horizon.

0:29:260:29:28

Hello.

0:29:290:29:31

Hi. Yeah, I'm good. How are you?

0:29:310:29:33

Ryan's just had a call from one of the team's travelling researchers

0:29:340:29:38

who's just been to visit another potential heir.

0:29:380:29:41

Cole. Joyce Cole.

0:29:430:29:45

Yeah.

0:29:450:29:46

They're what, sorry?

0:29:470:29:49

But is it the good news Ryan's been hoping for?

0:29:490:29:53

I'm going to let the team know. Bye-bye.

0:29:540:29:56

Good news - signature.

0:30:000:30:03

It's a triumph for all involved.

0:30:030:30:05

Boosts morale within the team.

0:30:070:30:08

It's obviously great news to know that we've had a signature from one

0:30:080:30:11

of the beneficiaries that we've been out to see that day.

0:30:110:30:14

As the day draws to an end,

0:30:160:30:18

Ryan and the team have contacted several potential heirs.

0:30:180:30:21

When we started the day with quite high pressure,

0:30:230:30:25

with the number of cases that have been released by the Bona Vacantia department,

0:30:250:30:29

if we can carry on the success from the initial stages of the case through

0:30:290:30:34

to having signatures from beneficiaries,

0:30:340:30:36

it means that the team can leave the office

0:30:360:30:39

at the end of the day on a high.

0:30:390:30:41

And over the next few weeks, things get even better,

0:30:410:30:44

as the team manage to sign up

0:30:440:30:46

the majority of beneficiaries to the estate.

0:30:460:30:49

One of them is Diane, who is Joyce's cousin twice removed.

0:30:520:30:55

It was exciting when I got the call,

0:30:560:30:58

because then I can now find out that I have got relatives out there that

0:30:580:31:02

I didn't know anything about, and I can, sort of,

0:31:020:31:04

fill in that side of the family history.

0:31:040:31:06

Last year, Diane spent some time looking into her family tree,

0:31:070:31:11

but she had no idea just how large her extended family was.

0:31:110:31:15

I had no inkling at all about being part of a bigger family,

0:31:160:31:21

as I didn't even know that my nan had any relatives whatsoever.

0:31:210:31:26

I didn't know she had brothers or sisters,

0:31:260:31:28

so it's going to be interesting to find out

0:31:280:31:31

and hopefully meet some of them.

0:31:310:31:33

But just as things are looking good, there's a sudden last-minute twist.

0:31:360:31:41

We heard a rumour from a friend of Joyce that she may have left a will.

0:31:410:31:47

Now this has just been confirmed by the solicitors that were appointed

0:31:470:31:51

to deal with her estate.

0:31:510:31:52

We haven't seen a copy of the will yet,

0:31:520:31:54

so there could still be some money in for the family, but, unfortunately,

0:31:540:31:58

it looks like a lot of work would have gone to waste on this occasion.

0:31:580:32:03

Whilst it is disappointing news for the team,

0:32:030:32:06

they are pleased that Joyce's estate will be going where she intended,

0:32:060:32:10

and for cousin twice removed Diane,

0:32:100:32:12

being contacted by the Heir Hunters means she has the chance to reconnect with relatives.

0:32:120:32:17

It's definitely a big family and I believe it could be

0:32:170:32:21

getting bigger,

0:32:210:32:23

so it'd be nice if we can meet up with some of the relatives.

0:32:230:32:27

I'd be really interested and pleased to meet them.

0:32:270:32:29

In London, Heir Hunters Fraser and Fraser were researching the case of

0:32:330:32:38

Joyce De La Salle.

0:32:380:32:39

I just want to clarify with you if we're on the right track or not.

0:32:390:32:42

Manager Ben and researcher Katie were working as fast as they could to

0:32:430:32:47

find living relatives.

0:32:470:32:48

It's a case, when we first looked into it, we couldn't establish what the value was.

0:32:500:32:55

Ben and the team were hoping to find heirs,

0:32:550:32:57

but still had no idea whether Joyce had any surviving family.

0:32:570:33:01

All right. Thank you very much for your time.

0:33:030:33:05

Take care. Bye-bye.

0:33:050:33:07

From her marriage certificate,

0:33:070:33:08

they'd learnt that her father was Albert Fulbrook,

0:33:080:33:11

and he had served in the Royal Navy from 1904.

0:33:110:33:14

We managed to find a birth in the Kent area for an

0:33:160:33:20

Albert Bartholomew Fulbrook, which matched on age with the Naval records

0:33:200:33:23

we actually had for him.

0:33:230:33:25

They believed that between 1911 and 1931,

0:33:250:33:29

Albert and his wife Ethel had ten children, including Joyce.

0:33:290:33:32

But they'd also uncovered an astonishing secret.

0:33:340:33:37

Just before 1910,

0:33:370:33:39

Albert was actually going under the name of James Saunders.

0:33:390:33:43

We know this because when in 1910 he married the deceased's mother,

0:33:430:33:46

he was registered as James Saunders on their marriage,

0:33:460:33:50

and again for the births of his first two children.

0:33:500:33:52

It was a complete mystery why he'd changed his name.

0:33:530:33:57

When we're researching families, we never know what we're going to get.

0:33:570:34:00

So it's pretty puzzling, and we were trying to figure out why he would have changed his name.

0:34:000:34:04

The team were keen to get to the bottom of why Albert had changed his name,

0:34:040:34:08

and his naval records started to offer some clues.

0:34:080:34:11

They showed that in 1906 Albert had gone absent without leave whilst

0:34:120:34:16

working on a ship that was docked in Sheerness in Kent.

0:34:160:34:19

The ship he was on wasn't sailing anywhere.

0:34:210:34:23

It was a training ship with some engines in it,

0:34:230:34:25

and they were just practising stoking the boilers.

0:34:250:34:27

He may well have taken quite a rational decision that he didn't want to do

0:34:270:34:30

this any more, and left.

0:34:300:34:32

But Albert was taking a huge risk.

0:34:320:34:35

If he's caught, he will be imprisoned,

0:34:350:34:39

so the Navy will now lock you up for being a deserter,

0:34:390:34:41

put you in a prison and make you do hard labour.

0:34:410:34:44

So Albert changed his name to James Saunders and fled 300 miles north to

0:34:450:34:50

Newcastle upon Tyne.

0:34:500:34:51

It's less likely that he's going to run into the Navy in the north of

0:34:520:34:56

England, so a change of name, a change of address,

0:34:560:34:59

and a move as far away from the Navy as possible.

0:34:590:35:02

Yeah, he's thought about this.

0:35:020:35:04

It seems that Albert met his wife, Ethel, in the north-east and the couple

0:35:050:35:09

married under the name Saunders.

0:35:090:35:11

But Albert's life as a naval fugitive was far from glamorous,

0:35:130:35:16

as he ended up working in a coal mine.

0:35:160:35:18

He is hiding in a coal mine.

0:35:210:35:22

He's not moved up socially.

0:35:220:35:23

He's actually a step backwards.

0:35:230:35:25

He's a wanted man. The state would like to lock him up, to punish him,

0:35:260:35:29

and he's working in a far more unpleasant environment than he would be.

0:35:290:35:33

He may have come to regret his decision.

0:35:330:35:36

But fate would step in for Albert.

0:35:370:35:39

In 1914, Britain went to war against the German Empire.

0:35:430:35:47

Determined to boost numbers,

0:35:470:35:49

the Navy offered an amnesty to all deserters.

0:35:490:35:52

They could come back and re-enrol and would avoid any punishment.

0:35:520:35:57

Albert was one of them.

0:35:570:35:58

By going back to the Navy, he...

0:36:020:36:04

Albert redeems himself in his own eyes, I'm sure.

0:36:040:36:07

Not only did Albert go on to serve in the Navy for another four years,

0:36:090:36:13

he was involved in one of the biggest naval battles of the 20th century,

0:36:130:36:17

the Battle of Jutland.

0:36:170:36:18

As long as the British don't lose this battle,

0:36:200:36:23

they're going to win the war.

0:36:230:36:25

Deep below the water line,

0:36:250:36:27

Albert would have been in the most vulnerable part of the ship,

0:36:270:36:29

as he kept the fires burning in the engine room

0:36:290:36:33

whilst the guns raged overhead.

0:36:330:36:35

After six hours, the British fleet had the upper hand.

0:36:350:36:39

They don't lose the battle.

0:36:390:36:40

They drive the Germans back and the Germans never come out again,

0:36:400:36:43

so it is the decisive battle of the First World War.

0:36:430:36:45

Albert retired in 1919 with an honourable discharge,

0:36:470:36:51

and would have been welcomed as a hero back on dry land.

0:36:510:36:55

By serving through the war, he's expunged that mark from his record.

0:36:550:36:59

He's... He can hold his head up high now.

0:36:590:37:01

He's a First World War veteran and he's part of

0:37:010:37:04

the Navy that wins the war.

0:37:040:37:07

He even made sure that records, including his marriage certificate,

0:37:070:37:11

were changed from James Saunders back to Albert Fulbrook.

0:37:110:37:15

So that's not just a case of, well, I can, sort of, hold my head up again.

0:37:150:37:19

I'm now really proud of being who I am rather than this assumed identity

0:37:190:37:23

that I lived under for this four-year period between leaving the Navy and

0:37:230:37:27

rejoining it. So he's...

0:37:270:37:28

He's recovered his sense of self.

0:37:280:37:30

All right, then. Cheers.

0:37:300:37:32

The mystery of the name change may have been resolved,

0:37:340:37:36

but it was still making life hard for Ben and the team.

0:37:360:37:40

So, when individuals have changed their name,

0:37:400:37:42

it really impacts our search for their children.

0:37:420:37:45

The team had initially found ten possible children for Albert and Ethel,

0:37:450:37:50

but now they had to cross-reference these births against the name Saunders.

0:37:500:37:54

So the issue with this was that I had to do a lot more searches.

0:37:540:37:58

So it was, kind of, double the work, you could say.

0:38:000:38:02

After hours of cross-checking records,

0:38:050:38:07

they confirmed Joyce was one of the youngest of ten siblings.

0:38:070:38:10

-Thank you.

-Bye.

0:38:120:38:13

And there was a further surprise.

0:38:150:38:17

What was also unusual on this case was that there was two sets of twins.

0:38:180:38:22

It's very unusual for there to be two sets of twins within one family.

0:38:220:38:26

-I've personally never seen that before on a job.

-Gordon.

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The team now focused on tracing descendants of Joyce's siblings.

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Her eldest brother was also called Albert Bartholomew Fulbrook.

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As Britain went to war again in 1939,

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it seemed Albert Junior was ready to serve his country,

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just as his naval father had done over 20 years earlier.

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He became a pilot in the Royal Air Force.

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And he would have flown over Germany on night bombing raids of ports and cities.

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Aged only 27, his role would have been a tough one.

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He captained the aircraft.

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He was responsible for the other crews,

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and that will have arguably weighed on his shoulders.

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And, of course, at the other end of the spectrum,

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there would have been fear. It would have been scary to fly over Germany.

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Germany was a well-defended country.

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He was fortunate enough to survive 32 bombing raids and was awarded the

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distinguished Flying Cross in 1944.

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But clearly, by the fact that Albert reaches 32 missions,

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there's probably more skill than luck involved.

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Joyce's pilot brother and naval stoker father had both risked their lives

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to protect Britain.

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It was an incredible family legacy.

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And as the team research Joyce's siblings,

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they continue to find more surprising twists in her family history.

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It's very unusual for a family of ten to all have survived the early part

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of the 20th century, all to have gone on to marry.

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The next task was to see if any of the siblings' descendants were alive

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and therefore heirs to Joyce's estate.

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And especially for this family we...

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We had them having their first children in the north-east,

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and then they moved down south, so we had to be extra careful in this case.

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Initial searches revealed that eight of Joyce's siblings had passed

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away, and the team were now busy searching for their descendants.

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Could you print a clean scatter tree for me, please?

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But there were still one sibling, Mary Fulbrook, to trace,

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and when they conducted their searches, they made a major breakthrough.

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What is quite unique about Mary Stern is she's the only sibling of the

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deceased that still alive.

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And her daughter, Alison, is acting as power of attorney for her,

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as she is very elderly.

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It was great news in the office.

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They'd found one of Joyce's heirs.

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For Alison, it was a shock to hear from the Heir Hunters.

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Well, we received a phone call saying that a relative of ours had died

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and there was no will, and her name was Joyce De La Salle,

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so we realised that that was our aunt, Auntie Joyce.

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Joyce was Alison's aunt, but she hadn't seen her for many years.

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It's a big family, lots of cousins and second cousins,

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but we had a meeting a few years ago of some of us, us cousins,

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and we were chatting about the family, and when it came to Joyce,

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nobody knew at all where she was or what had happened to her.

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It's quite sad. In a family I know it happens sometimes that...

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especially a large family, that not everyone can keep in touch.

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Back in the office, Ben and the team were rounding off the heir hunt.

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They had discovered that all of Joyce's siblings had children,

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which meant there were many heirs to her £18,000 estate.

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-That would mean that...

-There would be 21 beneficiaries to be entitled in this matter,

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ranging from sibling of the deceased to nieces and nephews and

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great-nieces and nephews, so for a near-kin case,

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quite a number of individuals to trace.

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And for Joyce's niece, Allison,

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it's an opportunity to reflect on her family.

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There is quite a sadness that that person is no longer there.

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There is a part of you that you lose, in a sense,

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when one of your close relatives dies.

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Hearing about Joyce again has made her cherish what family she has.

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There is that family wisdom that I think is quite important.

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You learn a lot from your parents and your grandparents as well.

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I think we all like to know where we've come from,

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and we have a sense of identity when we look at our families.

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