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Today, a highly competitive case is overrun with obstacles... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
It is a nightmare when you do a case and then you find out there is an | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
illegitimate birth. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
..whilst research into a quiet lady from Winchester... | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
It is strange for half the siblings to be born up north, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
and then half to be born down south. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
..reveals the shocking story of a fugitive on the run. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
He's a wanted man. If he's caught, he will be imprisoned. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
It is all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
They have got the mortgage. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
It's Wednesday morning. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
It is not always going to, obviously, be bank accounts, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
could be a mortgage company. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
At the offices of Finders International in central London, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
the Government's Bona Vacantia list of unclaimed estates has just been released. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
And it looks like case manager, Ryan Gregory, and the team, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
are in for a busy day. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
It has been a huge list... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
..released by the Bona Vacantia departments today, so there has been 41 adds. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
It just adds a bit of an extra element of pressure and stress. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
Competition to find heirs to unclaimed estates is fierce. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
Across the UK, rival firms will also be poring over the list, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
trying to decide which cases to work. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
We don't know how big their teams are and how many people are put on any one case, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
so we have to work as quick as possible. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
When we are trying to go through the Bona Vacantia lists to figure out which cases | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
are worth prioritising over the others, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
a key bit of information for us is the records held by the Land Registry. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
If we can find out someone who is on the list owned their property, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
this for us means that this is a case that | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
we would put above the others. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
For Ryan, one case stands out, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
the estate of Joyce Marian Cole. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
She owned a flat in South London, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
and it is a key indication that the case may be valuable. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
I think, if it was a whole house, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
it could be worth in the region of about half a million, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
but I can't get too bogged down with figuring out how much a flat | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
is worth, but presumably, 250, 300. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
It is a healthy estate. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
But having lost precious time sifting through the long list | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
of unclaimed estates, Ryan is keen to crack on with the research. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
So I am slightly panicking just in case I'm behind. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
-Yeah, it's all go. -You are always wondering what the competitors that | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
you facing against are doing. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Are they going to have a representative nearer on the day? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
Are they going to get to the beneficiary first? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
We really don't know at that stage, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
so we have got to do everything with a high level of urgency. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Joyce Marian Cole passed away on the 19th of June 2015, aged 89. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:04 | |
She died in South London, where she had lived her whole life. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
Very little is known about Joyce, but at St George's Church, close to where she lived, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
she was known by members of the congregation. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Joyce, I understand, from what I've been told, was a very private lady, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
she kept herself to herself. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
She was a nice person. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
She was part of that local road, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
and a lot of people would have known her just by saying good morning, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
how are you, etc. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
The community has changed dramatically over the years, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
but Reverend Wells remembers how it would have been when Joyce first moved in. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
Years ago there was a great community. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
People would know each other, people would knock on each other's doors, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
say "Hi, how are you?" | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
You know, when children was growing up, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
people would know who Mrs Brown next door is, and if you were locked out | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
you could go and see Mrs Brown. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
It was like the old scenarios that you hear many times, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
but that is what Joyce would have most probably experienced while she was living around this area. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:12 | |
As Joyce's estate has been advertised as unclaimed, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
the search for heirs is on. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
OK, so, I'm listening, but I'm just trying to do this at the same time, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
so just keep talking. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
In the office, the team are hard at work. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
So, so far, I have found that Joyce Marian Cole, she married in 1964. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:40 | |
I can't find any children. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Having ruled out next of kin, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Ryan needs to find out if Joyce had any brothers or sisters. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
If they or their children are still alive, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
they would be in line to inherit Joyce's sizeable estate, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
and early signs suggest it could be a straightforward search. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
Her dad's surname was Dawber, which is an unusual surname. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
Likewise, her mum's maiden name was Munt, which is a good surname, too. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
The catch with unusual surnames is that... | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
..someone else, somewhere, could be... | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
is likely finding the research quite quick as well, so... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Ryan has established that Joyce's parents, Edwin Dawber and Emily Munt, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
married in 1921, and as well as Joyce, they had one other daughter, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
called Doris. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
The key thing actually I need to do first is find out what happened | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
to Joyce's sister. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
If Doris is alive, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
she'd be the sole heir to Joyce's estate. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
And breathe! | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
But they quickly learned she died in 1998, and didn't have any children. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
The team must now turn their attention to Joyce's wider family. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Suzanne, Dawber or Munt? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
Unusual names. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
-Quite unusual, yeah. -Munt. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
Munt? OK. | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
Whilst Ryan focuses on Joyce's father's family, the Dawbers... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
Initially, then, we can start drafting in other people. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
-OK. -Shall I pass that... -Do you want to pass that on to Ellie? -Yeah. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
..case manager, Suzanne, starts looking into the maternal Munt side. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
But she soon hits a problem with Joyce's mother, Emily. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
I'm finding it quite difficult to pinpoint | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
which Emily Munt that she is. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
There is one in north London, Edmonton. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
There is one in St Albans, which is just north of there, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
so I'm just trying to work out which one that she is. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
We need to get cracking on this side, then. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
After a tricky search, Suzanne has found records | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
for Joyce's mother, Emily. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
From there, she is able to establish | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
that Joyce's maternal grandparents were Charles Munt | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
and Annie Salter, and they had eight children, including Emily. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
The year 1911 is really useful, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
because it says exactly how many years they were married, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
how many children they've had, six who were still living in 1911, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
so it is quite a large family. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
The team are under pressure to stay ahead of the competition, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
and with six stems to research, they are going to need to work fast. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
So, Suzanne, do you reckon we should | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
just get all hands on deck on this one? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Yeah. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
Ryan must also carry on researching the paternal side of the family. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
Schofield Dawber, so he is the paternal grandfather. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
But Ryan's search for paternal heirs is about to be dealt a major blow. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:30 | |
I am going back through the Census records, which were every ten years. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
I am picking up the paternal grandparents, and | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
the only child that ever pops up with them is Edwin. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
So, yeah, I mean it is looking more and more likely that the paternal | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
side dies out. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
If one of the sides of the family dies out, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
ie there are no surviving descendants, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
the thoughts for us go to, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
are there actually going to be any survivors that would be entitled to | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
inherit from this estate? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
So, if ever that happens, we really hope that, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
if there is no heirs on one side, | 0:07:58 | 0:07:59 | |
we are going to find beneficiaries on the other side of the family. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
With the pressure now on to trace Joyce's maternal aunts and uncles as | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
quickly as possible, the team learns something about Joyce's mum, Emily, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
that could throw a spanner in the works. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Just given that you said that Emily was a... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
She worked in domestic service, didn't she? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
She was a servant. I just want to check illegitimate births as well. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
The discovery that Emily worked as a servant | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
is ringing alarm bells for Ryan. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
From experience, and our knowledge of social history, we know that, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
if there is going to be illegitimate children born, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
one of the areas where they would stem from is, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
if a female was working in the domestic service industries. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
If Emily had any illegitimate children before she married Joyce's father, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Edwin, it could have a dramatic impact on the case. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
It is a nightmare when you do the case to find out there is an | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
illegitimate birth. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
They'd be half blood siblings of the deceased, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
and any descendants would have a prior claim, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
so it could be quite important. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
Worryingly, Ryan soon finds a birth for a Grace Emily Munt, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
and is wondering if she could be Joyce's half blood sibling. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
I'm going to look into the... | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
Whoever this Grace Emily Munt is, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
just given that the E stands for Emily, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
and that is the deceased mum's name. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
It could be that Emily has gone back home to have a child illegitimately. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
If alive, Grace would be sole heir. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Although he feels sure he has uncovered an illegitimate daughter of Emily, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Ryan needs to confirm that Grace is in fact Joyce's half-sister. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
If it turns out there is no half blood siblings, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
we will obviously need to do both sides. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Until Ryan can prove whether or not Grace is a half blood sibling, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
the team must continue the search for cousins. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
Taking a bit of a risk, or just using a different route to something, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
is the thing that helps us kind of get ahead of the competition. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
But all their hard work tracking down potential heirs... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
You are connected via Joyce's mum, Emily Munt. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
..will go to waste if it turns out that Joyce did indeed have a half-sister. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
The half blood siblings of the deceased would be entitled to inherit from | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
the estate in priority to the maternal or paternal beneficiaries. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
The heir hunters' work can uncover hidden family histories with the power to surprise. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
We have got all the details ready, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
I have just got to put it on an actual... | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
And the team often get caught up in the twists and turns of a family mystery. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
One of the fascinating bits about the whole job is when you start | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
discovering about who they're going to be, where they've come from, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
what their past is, what they did. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
And every now and then, you come across an absolute gem. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
One of those situations where you go, "That is incredible." | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Case manager at Fraser and Fraser Ben Cornish, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
has been working one such case. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
So, the case we are looking at is Joyce De La Salle. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
It was a case that was advertised by the Government legal department. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
With any case that is advertised by the Government legal department, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
you're going to have competition on it. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
But, as De La Salle is a rare surname, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Ben thought he could beat his competitors. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
It is one of those names which is easy, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
so we decided to have a look into it. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Ben quickly found that, although Joyce was born in south London in 1931, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:44 | |
she had ended up living in Winchester. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Neighbour Jennifer Parker, socialised with Joyce, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
and they had a shared love of their adopted city. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
It is a beautiful city to live in. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Residents of the flats often saw Joyce going out on shopping trips. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
She was little and grey and always had a great big... | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
One of those trolleys, with bright colours all over it, you know, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
but she tended mostly to dress in grey. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
She was just a little old lady. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
Joyce was known for being private. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
She just seemed to live in her own little world, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
and sometimes when we have had coffee, she has been fine, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
but she never spoke about anything that was personal to her. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Joyce passed away in 2014, aged 83, with no known next of kin. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:35 | |
With neighbours unable to help en, he had to rely on records, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
as he started his search for heirs. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
When we initially looked into the case of Joyce De La Salle, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
it was released that she was a widow. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
So the first thing we did was look for her marriage to Mr De La Salle. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
And Joyce Fulbrook married a Peter James De La Salle in 1968 in Croydon. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
No children were born to the marriage, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
and Mr De La Salle died in 1978 in Witney. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
With no children, attention turned to Joyce's parents, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
and whether she had siblings. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
And Joyce's marriage record gave Ben some crucial information about her family. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
From that, we were able to get that the deceased's maiden name was Fulbrook, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
so the next thing that we would do, is look for a birth of | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
a Joyce Fulbrook. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
And there was a Joyce Fulbrook born | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
on the second of October 1931 in Lewisham. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
The team ordered her birth certificate, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
and discovered that her parents were Albert Fulbrook and Ethel Chilton. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
The next step was to find a record of their marriage to see if Joyce | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
had siblings, and Ben drafted in researcher Katie Peacock. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
But she soon hit a stumbling block. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
So, originally, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
when I was looking for the deceased's parents marriage, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
I was looking in the Lewisham area, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
purely because that is where the deceased was born. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
We were struggling to find a marriage between a Fulbrook | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
and the mother's maiden name. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Hang on, let me get this stuff up. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
Finding this marriage certificate was vital. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
The marriage record is crucial for any estate that we look into. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
The reason being is it has so much information about the family on. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
But after looking high and low for a marriage between Albert Fulbrook and | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
Ethel Chilton, the team couldn't find anything. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
It definitely did make it a bit more tricky. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Instead, they searched for records of children born to a Fulbrook and a Chilton. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
When we look into these cases, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
we like the unusual combination of surname and mother's maiden name. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
It can really help you if the family moves out of the area. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
To their surprise, there are only ten which matched, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
but were they all Albert and Ethel's children? | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
The first five were born up north, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
and then the second five came down south, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
to the Lewisham and Bromley area. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
That is where Joyce was born. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
Katie was not convinced that the children born in the North were related | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
to Joyce. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
So, it is strange for half the siblings to be born up north | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
and then half to be born down south. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
It was possible they were all Joyce's siblings. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
The team scoured records for information on Joyce's father, Albert, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
hoping it might explain why the family had moved to the other end of the country. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
And Albert's military record started to offer some possible clues. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
It gives us his occupation, which was a stoker in the Royal Navy. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
Albert joined the Navy in 1904, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
at a time when Britain ruled the seas with its coal-fired battleships. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
His job as a stoker meant shovelling coal into the ship's boilers, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
all day, every day. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
The stoker is the backbone of the Royal Navy. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Without him, it goes nowhere. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
It is quite a skilled job, and senior stokers are paid quite well. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
It is a dirty, physical process of lifting and moving | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
large amounts of coal, so you are working in a super tropical heat, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
wet, damp, hot, sticky conditions. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
Very energy sapping. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:09 | |
While stoking was hard but well-paid work, it wasn't without its risks. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
If the ship sinks, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
it is highly likely all the stokers will be lost with it, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
because they are right at the bottom of the ship in a very difficult place | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
to get out of, so they are the most at risk if the ship sinks. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
When Albert joined in 1904, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
the Navy had over 40 battleships spread across the world, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
from Scotland to South America. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
This meant it was perfectly likely that he may have had to move to a | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
different part of the UK. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
We never know where extended family are going to end up. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
They could go very far afield, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
they could go abroad simply to give the family more opportunities. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
But to be sure all ten children were Albert's and Ethel's, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
they ordered the birth certificates for each one. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
If Albert and Ethel's names appeared on all ten certificates, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
it would prove that Joyce had nine siblings. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Just wanted to check with you a few | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
-things that... -As the certificates came in, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
the youngest seven were all confirmed as Joyce's brothers and sisters. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
But the certificate for the two eldest children revealed a shocking twist. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
It turns out the two first children born are Ethel and Elizabeth, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
and once getting their certificates back, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
we managed to find that the father of the deceased was James Saunders. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
It was a bombshell. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
With the father's name on the certificate shown as James Saunders, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
the search had been thrown completely off course. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Did this mean the eldest two children were from a different family? | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
When originally looking at the certificate and seeing that the father had | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
a different name, it made me think, is this father the original father? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:59 | |
But the plot was about to thicken further. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
A closer inspection of the birth certificates revealed a surprise | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
connection between James and Albert. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
Actually, on the certificates themselves, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
they have a little note at the side, saying, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
father's also known as Albert Bartholomew Fulbrook. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
This was edited in 1915, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
so that would've been four years after Ethel was born. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
It was an extraordinary revelation. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Albert Fulbrook and James Saunders were the same man. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
The certificate showed Albert had changed his name to James Saunders | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
before having children with Ethel in 1911. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
He had then changed his name back to Albert Fulbrook by 1915. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
We don't really often see that, so, yeah, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
it was very different on this case. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
It was a mystery for the team as to why Albert had changed his name, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
but now they had exposed his secret life under the name of Saunders, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
they were finally able to find his marriage to Joyce's mother. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
We came up with the marriage, which was actually in 1910, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
they married as James Saunders and Ethel Chilton. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
The fact Albert had married and had his first two children whilst | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
apparently leading a double life had turned this into a highly intriguing | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
case for the team. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
So, what have we got? | 0:19:16 | 0:19:17 | |
But the reason why Albert changed his name to James Saunders would be yet | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
another surprise. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
Researching families, we never know what we are going to get. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
I think he has just assumed someone's identity, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
and obviously that would've been a lot easier than it would be today, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
to obtain someone's identity. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Would Ben and Katie be able to get to the bottom of this mystery? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
And, crucially, would they be able to find any heirs? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
Every year in Britain, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
thousands of people get a surprise knock on the door from heir hunters. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
As well as handing over life-changing sums of money, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
the heir hunters can bring long lost relatives back together. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
That's how they are connected, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
so Charles was first cousin of your late mum. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
That's a shock. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
But thousands of estates have eluded the heir hunters, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
and remain unsolved. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Today, we have got details of two estates yet to be claimed. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
or know someone that is? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
The first case is Catherine Mary Toye, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
who was born on the second of February 1910... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
..and died on the 24th of December 1989 in Leicester. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Catherine's maiden name was Cox, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
and she married George Frederick Toye in Islington in London in 1937. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
She is believed to have had a son. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Is there a chance you are related, or know someone that could be? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
The second case is Kenneth Hepple, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
who was born on the tenth of June 1936. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
He died on the 19th of January 1987, in Newcastle. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
Kenneth's parents were Robert Hepple, who died in 1966, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
and Bridget Hepple, who died in 1964. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
Do you know a Toye or a Hepple? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
Perfect, thank you very much for your help. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
Bye. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:41 | |
At Finders International in Central London... | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
-Are you writing that? -These three are alive. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
..Ryan and the team have spent the morning | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
frantically trying to find heirs | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
to the estate of Joyce Cole... | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
..who passed away in June 2015. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
Suzanne, if you want to | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
start divvying those up, I will make | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
sure everyone's got a copy of these. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
Joyce's estate is estimated to be worth | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
in excess of a quarter of a million pounds, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
but having thought they were looking for cousins, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
the team now think Joyce may have had a half blood sister called Grace. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
If she or her descendants were still alive, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
they would be heirs to Joyce's estate. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Did you look at Harriet? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
-Yeah. -How did it go? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
She died as a spinster. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
However, Ryan has a new theory about Grace. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
He now thinks she could be the daughter of Joyce's aunt Harriet, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
which would make her a cousin, rather than a half sibling. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
This Grace that I was looking into, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
I'm pretty sure I saw something online which said her mum was Harriet, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
so this illegit could actually be hers. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
-That's what I thought. -So she married, she died in Southampton. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
I think she perhaps passes away, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
so I need to find out if she has any children that we could speak to, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
to confirm that her mum was Harriet, and the Harriet we are looking into. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
As the team research further into Joyce's aunt Harriet, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
they discover that in the early 20th century, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
she was at the centre of an exciting and lucrative industry. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
In about 1905, 1907, across the south-east, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:20 | |
there is going to be about 100,000 people working in the straw hat industry. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:26 | |
And the number of hats they are producing is 30 million hats a year. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:34 | |
Huge quantities. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
With straw hats at the height of fashion, the industry was booming, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
and the highly skilled women who made them were well placed to capitalise | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
on this new demand. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
Harriet working for a hat manufacturer in about 1911, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
around that sort of period, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
she is going to be quite well rewarded for her work. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
She is going to be earning possibly about 12 shillings, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
16 shillings a week. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
But unfortunately for Harriet and her hat making colleagues, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
their new-found wealth came at a cost. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Women working in the hat industry tended quite unjustly to get rather | 0:24:14 | 0:24:21 | |
a bad reputation. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:22 | |
The problem was that they didn't meet social convention. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
They earned a lot of money, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
so they were independent women at a time when | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
women weren't supposed to be independent. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
Men from the upper parts of society took a particular dislike to this | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
change in gender roles, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
and a backlash of slanderous propaganda was directed at women like Harriet. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:49 | |
They were accused of being slovenly, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
they didn't keep their homes nice. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
They were accused of being sort of harlots or tarty, loose women, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
and none of that, probably in the majority of cases, was true. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
Oaths put out warning mothers not to let their daughters go in to the | 0:25:04 | 0:25:10 | |
hat trade, because beware the plait man! | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
He would come and get her, and it wouldn't be good if he did. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
But despite this, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
it seems Joyce's aunt Harriet managed to make a success of her time in | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
hat making, and crucially for the team, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
they have confirmed that she also went on to have a daughter | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
called Grace. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
People will be all over this, basically, so let's get cracking. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
They are now full steam ahead in their search | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
for Grace or her descendants, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
but Harriet wasn't Joyce's only aunt. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
-Ellie, how's your bit going? -The team still have five more of Joyce's | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
aunts and uncles to research, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
and they need to find them before their competitors. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
We want to use as many people as quickly as possible, really. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
The only problem being today was that there was | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
a few other cases to look at. Me, I think I'm quite competitive, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
so there was a nagging feeling that we are behind. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
Suzanne has worked the line of Joyce's maternal uncle, Frederick Munt. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
She thinks she may have found that he had children who are still alive, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
and it could be a major breakthrough. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
About to call a cousin of the deceased. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
He is the first person I've found, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
and he has potentially got a lot of brothers and sisters, so... | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
I thought, it is easier if I just give him a call. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
But Suzanne is not in luck. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
The line is engaged. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
He's on the phone. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
She's worried who the potential heir might be speaking to. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
I think he possibly might be on the phone to, potentially, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
another company. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:43 | |
So, you know, I will give him a call back in a bit. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
When we are trying to get through to potential beneficiaries, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
if the phone is engaged, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
the first thought always goes through our mind is, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
is the person speaking to one of our competitors, a rival firm? | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
It's always something that we worry about. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
But, as the team keep finding more beneficiaries, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
they keep hitting the same problem. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
A couple of the beneficiaries we spoke to had either been contacted by another firm, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
and were reluctant to give us any information, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
or just didn't really want to confirm any details. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Sometimes, we need, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:20 | |
as a team, the odd kind of bit of | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
good luck, really. I mean, that someone we speak to hasn't talked to anybody else, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
someone we can get a bit of information from. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Not only for information from the tree, but also as a bit of a lift, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
as a bit of a boost. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:33 | |
Just when the team think they have hit a brick wall, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Ryan discovers something of interest. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Basically, I was looking into a | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
maternal cousin, Ernest Munt, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
he was one of the children of Amos Munt. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
I think I have found two daughters to that marriage, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
and they would be first cousins once removed. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
But I'm hoping... | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
..that if I ring one of them now, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
then one of them will be able to do some info on this section of the | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
family tree. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
It is a long shot, but with pressure from the competition, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
Ryan's hoping this time he will get there first. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
I mean, the luck we are having speaking to beneficiaries today, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
I'm not going to hold my breath, but fingers crossed. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
But early signs are not looking good. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
No, OK, thank you. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
There we go. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:28 | |
One wrong number, one no answer. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
It's kind of the theme of the day so far. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
All is not lost. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
Ryan has another lead on the stem of Joyce's uncle Amos, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
and he thinks he's found a number for one of his great granddaughters. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
Hello, it's Ryan Gregory. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
I'm with Heir Hunters, and we're looking into the Munt family tree. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
Will it be second time lucky? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
I'm really pleased to have got you, actually, because I've been trying... | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
We, as a team, have been trying to get hold of people all morning. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
After a tough start, Ryan has finally spoken to a potential heir. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
Thank you so much for your time. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Speak soon. Bye-bye. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:13 | |
It, kind of, couldn't have gone any better, which is nice. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
So a bit more research to do, erm, but, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
kind of, quite satisfying to have finally got to that stage. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
And there's more good news on the horizon. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
Hello. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Hi. Yeah, I'm good. How are you? | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Ryan's just had a call from one of the team's travelling researchers | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
who's just been to visit another potential heir. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Cole. Joyce Cole. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Yeah. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
They're what, sorry? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
But is it the good news Ryan's been hoping for? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
I'm going to let the team know. Bye-bye. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Good news - signature. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
It's a triumph for all involved. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
Boosts morale within the team. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:08 | |
It's obviously great news to know that we've had a signature from one | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
of the beneficiaries that we've been out to see that day. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
As the day draws to an end, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
Ryan and the team have contacted several potential heirs. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
When we started the day with quite high pressure, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
with the number of cases that have been released by the Bona Vacantia department, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
if we can carry on the success from the initial stages of the case through | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
to having signatures from beneficiaries, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
it means that the team can leave the office | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
at the end of the day on a high. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
And over the next few weeks, things get even better, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
as the team manage to sign up | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
the majority of beneficiaries to the estate. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
One of them is Diane, who is Joyce's cousin twice removed. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
It was exciting when I got the call, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
because then I can now find out that I have got relatives out there that | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
I didn't know anything about, and I can, sort of, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
fill in that side of the family history. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Last year, Diane spent some time looking into her family tree, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
but she had no idea just how large her extended family was. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
I had no inkling at all about being part of a bigger family, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
as I didn't even know that my nan had any relatives whatsoever. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
I didn't know she had brothers or sisters, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
so it's going to be interesting to find out | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
and hopefully meet some of them. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
But just as things are looking good, there's a sudden last-minute twist. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
We heard a rumour from a friend of Joyce that she may have left a will. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
Now this has just been confirmed by the solicitors that were appointed | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
to deal with her estate. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:52 | |
We haven't seen a copy of the will yet, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
so there could still be some money in for the family, but, unfortunately, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
it looks like a lot of work would have gone to waste on this occasion. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
Whilst it is disappointing news for the team, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
they are pleased that Joyce's estate will be going where she intended, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
and for cousin twice removed Diane, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
being contacted by the Heir Hunters means she has the chance to reconnect with relatives. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
It's definitely a big family and I believe it could be | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
getting bigger, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
so it'd be nice if we can meet up with some of the relatives. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
I'd be really interested and pleased to meet them. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
In London, Heir Hunters Fraser and Fraser were researching the case of | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
Joyce De La Salle. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
I just want to clarify with you if we're on the right track or not. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
Manager Ben and researcher Katie were working as fast as they could to | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
find living relatives. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
It's a case, when we first looked into it, we couldn't establish what the value was. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
Ben and the team were hoping to find heirs, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
but still had no idea whether Joyce had any surviving family. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
All right. Thank you very much for your time. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Take care. Bye-bye. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
From her marriage certificate, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
they'd learnt that her father was Albert Fulbrook, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
and he had served in the Royal Navy from 1904. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
We managed to find a birth in the Kent area for an | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
Albert Bartholomew Fulbrook, which matched on age with the Naval records | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
we actually had for him. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
They believed that between 1911 and 1931, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Albert and his wife Ethel had ten children, including Joyce. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
But they'd also uncovered an astonishing secret. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Just before 1910, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
Albert was actually going under the name of James Saunders. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
We know this because when in 1910 he married the deceased's mother, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
he was registered as James Saunders on their marriage, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
and again for the births of his first two children. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
It was a complete mystery why he'd changed his name. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
When we're researching families, we never know what we're going to get. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
So it's pretty puzzling, and we were trying to figure out why he would have changed his name. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
The team were keen to get to the bottom of why Albert had changed his name, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
and his naval records started to offer some clues. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
They showed that in 1906 Albert had gone absent without leave whilst | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
working on a ship that was docked in Sheerness in Kent. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
The ship he was on wasn't sailing anywhere. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
It was a training ship with some engines in it, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
and they were just practising stoking the boilers. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
He may well have taken quite a rational decision that he didn't want to do | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
this any more, and left. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
But Albert was taking a huge risk. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
If he's caught, he will be imprisoned, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
so the Navy will now lock you up for being a deserter, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
put you in a prison and make you do hard labour. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
So Albert changed his name to James Saunders and fled 300 miles north to | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
Newcastle upon Tyne. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
It's less likely that he's going to run into the Navy in the north of | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
England, so a change of name, a change of address, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
and a move as far away from the Navy as possible. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
Yeah, he's thought about this. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
It seems that Albert met his wife, Ethel, in the north-east and the couple | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
married under the name Saunders. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
But Albert's life as a naval fugitive was far from glamorous, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
as he ended up working in a coal mine. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
He is hiding in a coal mine. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:22 | |
He's not moved up socially. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:23 | |
He's actually a step backwards. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
He's a wanted man. The state would like to lock him up, to punish him, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
and he's working in a far more unpleasant environment than he would be. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
He may have come to regret his decision. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
But fate would step in for Albert. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
In 1914, Britain went to war against the German Empire. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
Determined to boost numbers, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
the Navy offered an amnesty to all deserters. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
They could come back and re-enrol and would avoid any punishment. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
Albert was one of them. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:58 | |
By going back to the Navy, he... | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Albert redeems himself in his own eyes, I'm sure. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
Not only did Albert go on to serve in the Navy for another four years, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
he was involved in one of the biggest naval battles of the 20th century, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
the Battle of Jutland. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:18 | |
As long as the British don't lose this battle, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
they're going to win the war. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
Deep below the water line, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
Albert would have been in the most vulnerable part of the ship, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
as he kept the fires burning in the engine room | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
whilst the guns raged overhead. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
After six hours, the British fleet had the upper hand. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
They don't lose the battle. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:40 | |
They drive the Germans back and the Germans never come out again, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
so it is the decisive battle of the First World War. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Albert retired in 1919 with an honourable discharge, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
and would have been welcomed as a hero back on dry land. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
By serving through the war, he's expunged that mark from his record. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
He's... He can hold his head up high now. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
He's a First World War veteran and he's part of | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
the Navy that wins the war. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
He even made sure that records, including his marriage certificate, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
were changed from James Saunders back to Albert Fulbrook. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
So that's not just a case of, well, I can, sort of, hold my head up again. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
I'm now really proud of being who I am rather than this assumed identity | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
that I lived under for this four-year period between leaving the Navy and | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
rejoining it. So he's... | 0:37:27 | 0:37:28 | |
He's recovered his sense of self. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
All right, then. Cheers. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
The mystery of the name change may have been resolved, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
but it was still making life hard for Ben and the team. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
So, when individuals have changed their name, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
it really impacts our search for their children. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
The team had initially found ten possible children for Albert and Ethel, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
but now they had to cross-reference these births against the name Saunders. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
So the issue with this was that I had to do a lot more searches. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
So it was, kind of, double the work, you could say. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
After hours of cross-checking records, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
they confirmed Joyce was one of the youngest of ten siblings. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
-Thank you. -Bye. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
And there was a further surprise. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
What was also unusual on this case was that there was two sets of twins. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
It's very unusual for there to be two sets of twins within one family. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
-I've personally never seen that before on a job. -Gordon. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
The team now focused on tracing descendants of Joyce's siblings. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
Her eldest brother was also called Albert Bartholomew Fulbrook. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
As Britain went to war again in 1939, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
it seemed Albert Junior was ready to serve his country, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
just as his naval father had done over 20 years earlier. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
He became a pilot in the Royal Air Force. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
And he would have flown over Germany on night bombing raids of ports and cities. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
Aged only 27, his role would have been a tough one. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
He captained the aircraft. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
He was responsible for the other crews, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
and that will have arguably weighed on his shoulders. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
And, of course, at the other end of the spectrum, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
there would have been fear. It would have been scary to fly over Germany. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
Germany was a well-defended country. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
He was fortunate enough to survive 32 bombing raids and was awarded the | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
distinguished Flying Cross in 1944. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
But clearly, by the fact that Albert reaches 32 missions, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
there's probably more skill than luck involved. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
Joyce's pilot brother and naval stoker father had both risked their lives | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
to protect Britain. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
It was an incredible family legacy. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
Hello? | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
And as the team research Joyce's siblings, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
they continue to find more surprising twists in her family history. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
It's very unusual for a family of ten to all have survived the early part | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
of the 20th century, all to have gone on to marry. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
The next task was to see if any of the siblings' descendants were alive | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
and therefore heirs to Joyce's estate. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
And especially for this family we... | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
We had them having their first children in the north-east, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
and then they moved down south, so we had to be extra careful in this case. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
Initial searches revealed that eight of Joyce's siblings had passed | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
away, and the team were now busy searching for their descendants. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
Could you print a clean scatter tree for me, please? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
But there were still one sibling, Mary Fulbrook, to trace, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
and when they conducted their searches, they made a major breakthrough. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
What is quite unique about Mary Stern is she's the only sibling of the | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
deceased that still alive. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
And her daughter, Alison, is acting as power of attorney for her, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
as she is very elderly. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:00 | |
It was great news in the office. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
They'd found one of Joyce's heirs. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
For Alison, it was a shock to hear from the Heir Hunters. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
Well, we received a phone call saying that a relative of ours had died | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
and there was no will, and her name was Joyce De La Salle, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
so we realised that that was our aunt, Auntie Joyce. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
Joyce was Alison's aunt, but she hadn't seen her for many years. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
It's a big family, lots of cousins and second cousins, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
but we had a meeting a few years ago of some of us, us cousins, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
and we were chatting about the family, and when it came to Joyce, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
nobody knew at all where she was or what had happened to her. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
It's quite sad. In a family I know it happens sometimes that... | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
especially a large family, that not everyone can keep in touch. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
Back in the office, Ben and the team were rounding off the heir hunt. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
They had discovered that all of Joyce's siblings had children, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
which meant there were many heirs to her £18,000 estate. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
-That would mean that... -There would be 21 beneficiaries to be entitled in this matter, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
ranging from sibling of the deceased to nieces and nephews and | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
great-nieces and nephews, so for a near-kin case, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
quite a number of individuals to trace. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
And for Joyce's niece, Allison, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
it's an opportunity to reflect on her family. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
There is quite a sadness that that person is no longer there. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
There is a part of you that you lose, in a sense, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
when one of your close relatives dies. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
Hearing about Joyce again has made her cherish what family she has. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
There is that family wisdom that I think is quite important. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
You learn a lot from your parents and your grandparents as well. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
I think we all like to know where we've come from, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
and we have a sense of identity when we look at our families. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 |