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Today, it's all hands on deck in the race to find heirs. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
It feels like a lot of the numbers I call don't work. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
And the hunt uncovers a family tragedy. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
His sister and his mother have been looking for him for many, many years. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Unfortunately, they never found him. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
On another case, there's a problem at the first hurdle. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We can't find anyone under that name or within that year. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
But the search reveals a leading figure in the community. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
You could go anywhere and...people would know him. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
It's 11am... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
I think it needs to be put on the file that that's what you've discovered. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
..and, in London, case manager Gareth Langford | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
from Fraser and Fraser has a new case to work. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
So we've just had a referral of a case, John Hopkinson. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
We don't know much about the gentleman at the moment. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
We've been asked to assist in locating his next of kin. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
-Get the birth and marriage... -Yeah. -Look at that and then we'll work on it. -OK. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Gareth is quick to get researcher Sinead on the case as well. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
The information I've got so far is that the deceased has died this year | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
and that he was born on the 18th of December 1940, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
and now I'm going to look for his birth. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
The case has been referred to them privately | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
and they need to work fast. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
This particular case, it's not in the public domain at the moment, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
so it's important that we crack on with it. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
It's a race to get it done as quickly as possible | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
so that no other company will get a look in. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
But the heir hunters have scant information to work with. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
John Hopkinson died in May 2016, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
having spent the last years of his life living in the seaside town of | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Margate. Little is known about John and no photos of him appear to | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
survive, but, living in Margate, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
he would have been surrounded by a friendly and close-knit community. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
You haven't got the hustle and bustle of living in London. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
Do what you like, when you like. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
It just suits us, me and the wife, you know? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Nice and peaceful, you know? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
And, erm... | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
We enjoy it here. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
John passed away aged 76 without a will and never | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
married or had children. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
So the hunt is on to find any living relatives. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
OK, thank you. Bye. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
And despite limited information, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
Sinead is already making swift progress. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
So I've found John's birth. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
His mother's maiden name is Walker and, because he's born in December, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
on the 18th of December, his birth is actually registered in 1941 in | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
the March quarter, in...Nottingham. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
So, for that, I'm going to... | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
Now I've got an area to look at. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
I'm going to see if I can find his parents' marriage. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Sinead needs to find a marriage in the right area between a Hopkinson | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
and a Walker. But time is of the essence, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
as Gareth has some information about the value of John's estate. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
On this case, it is a modest value, so we can't spend too much time, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
really, looking at it. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
What we need to do is get it up-to-date as quickly as possible, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
so we, you know, limit our resources, really. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
The estate is worth approximately £20,000. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Gareth knows every second counts with these early stages | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
of research on a privately-referred case. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
-Hello? -But any day it could become in the public domain, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
which means it would then be competitive, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
and with a smaller-value estate, that's the last thing we want. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
On the front line of research, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
Sinead has made good progress with John's close family. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
So far on the tree, I've found John's parents there. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
They are Hilda Frances Walker and Reginald Verity Hopkinson. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
They married in the March quarter of 1932 in Nottinghamshire. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
And Sinead soon makes a crucial discovery | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
which could change the whole case. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
John also has one sister called Janice Hopkinson, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
who was born in 1935 in Nottingham. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
In any case where there is close kin, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
the heir hunters know they need to tread carefully. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Something could have happened within the family meaning the brother and sister lost touch. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
If Janice is still alive, she'd be the sole heir, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
which would allow the team to wrap up this low-value case | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
quickly and cost-effectively. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
-Just start from the beginning. -Yeah. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
But after searching every record she can, Sinead hits a dead end. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Looking at Janice, I've found that she marries a Trevor G Trickett in 1976 | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
in Nottingham, but after that she just disappears. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
There is no trace of her on any system I can find. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
But Sinead has also spotted something odd | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
about Janice's mother Hilda. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
But there is actually nothing for Hilda. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
There has been no death for her, so she's also disappeared. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
All can get is, really, is her birth and marriage and that's it, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
-because there's no death for her or anything. -Thank you. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Gareth steps in to see if he can help. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
The team has hit a dead end, and desperately needs more information, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
but Gareth has a possible ace up his sleeve. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
In a case when it's referred to us, you know, they've asked for our assistance, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
so they are often quite helpful with the questions that we may ask. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Gareth goes back to the people who referred them the case and is able | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
to get some valuable new information about John's sister Janice. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
That's quite crucial, actually, because we need to count it out. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
She possibly went to France. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
OK. That's all updated. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Sinead now needs to follow up on this major new lead | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and hopes of keeping the research costs down are fading fast. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
When somebody moves abroad like this, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
it does make our research a lot more difficult. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
There is a possibility that she may have remarried, which would then... | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
It could be anywhere. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
But Sinead is undeterred | 0:06:05 | 0:06:06 | |
and wants to explore the French connection as fast as possible. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
There isn't a deadline just yet, but it's... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
It's sort of like we set our own deadlines, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
just to get it done as quickly as possible. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Also you sort of, like, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
have your own little race against the other companies, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
that you can beat their researchers. So... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
With the search for John's sister stalled, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
and with questions as to why her and her brother appear to have lost | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
contact, the team has no choice but to look to the wider family in the | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
hope it provides some answers. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
It really is a challenge for us because, our starting point, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
we need to know where they went. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
So Sinead is going to have to move to the wider family | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
to see if they know what happened to John's sister and mother. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
So, at this point, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
I'm going to go back and look at cousins and see if any of them know | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
what's happened to Janice and Hilda. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
Looking into the wider family means yet more research and more costs, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
but Sinead is able to make quick inroads into John's mother's family. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Lucky for me, Hilda is Hilda Frances Walker and, on the 1911 census, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
her parents have put her down as Hilda Frances Walker, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
born about 1906. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
It says that her parents are George William Walker and Daisy Emma. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
I've looked through the parents' marriage - | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
it says that they were married for eight years. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
George and Daisy Walker are John's maternal grandparents. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
Their children would be his maternal aunts and uncles. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
The 1911 census lists George Walker as a herbalist | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
and, in an era before many modern medicines were available, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
he would have sold remedies for a wide variety of medical complaints. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
This is the kind of thing he would have very likely had - | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
balsam of horehound and squill. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Horehound Marrubium vulgare, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
to warm and lift the phlegm and tar from the chest. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
The origins of herbal medicine stretch back thousands of years | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and the ancient Greeks were among the early civilisations that learned | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
to harness the healing power of plants. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Yarrow - Achillea millefolium... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Named after Achilles, the Greek warrior. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Millefolium is the 1,000 leaves. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
It stops bleeding, so a very, very useful first aid plant. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
When they would take it into battle, because it's specific for very, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:37 | |
very clean cuts, like a glass cut or a metal wound, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
what you would do is chew it. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
So you take a piece, and if it's a big wound, you take a large, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
you would take it all, chew it up, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
out it comes. Pack the wound with your pulp | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
and then lay another piece, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
perhaps a fine piece, across the top of it. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
And then that forms the basis of your compress, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
and then you would then apply the bandaging on top of... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
on top of that. And the idea is they give the flesh on either side of the | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
wound something to hold on to, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
to grip on to and then to start restitching itself, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
to re-heal itself. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
It's a good plant ally, yarrow. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Everyone needs to know where their yarrow plants are | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
because they're everywhere. You just need to know where they are, so you can find them. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
Herbalism remained popular throughout the Victorian era | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
and George Walker was well-placed to capitalise. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Through the 1800s and 1900s, herbal medicine was still going very, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
very strong. More people were moving into the cities, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
increased urbanisation, so, first of all, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
people weren't having so much access to their plants. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
They were in the city now. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
People were hungry for herbs | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
and so they certainly would have bought their herbs from Mr Walker. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
In the office, the team can use this unusual job as a clue | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
in their search for George's marriage to Daisy. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
The right marriage certificate would list him as a herbalist. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
Found their marriage and they married in 1902 in Nottingham, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
and Daisy's surname is Mortar. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Now, because I've got... | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
They've listed that they've got four children on the census, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
I'm going to do an after '11 birth search to find if they had | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
-any more children. -These would be maternal aunts and uncles of John's, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
and their children, his cousins. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
The team is hoping these cousins might be able to help them track | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
down John's elusive sister Janice. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
But before Sinead has a chance to find any of them, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
there's a dramatic development. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
Gareth receives a call from someone who knew Janice... | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Hello. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
-Yeah. -And it changes everything. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
I was advised that the sister actually died in Spain | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
with the deceased's mother as well, who also went to Spain. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
But they've also unearthed a family tragedy which had haunted John's | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
family for years. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
His sister and his mother have been looking for him for many, many years. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Unfortunately, they never found him. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
As John's sister had died, it means the heir hunters | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
must now continue their search for his cousins. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
It's Sinead's job to track them down as quickly as possible, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
and perhaps uncover the reason why John's sister and mum had been | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
searching for him for so long. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
-So what have we got? -So we're looking at the maternal side. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
There is a lot of pressure to get this job done so that we can get in | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
there first, obviously, and beat the competition. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
Can Gareth and Sinead find heirs | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
before the competition gets the case? | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
No answer there. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
No joy. It feels like a lot of the numbers I call don't work. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Whilst they were related to each other, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
they weren't actually related to this family. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
In the central London offices of probate research firm | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Finders International, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
assistant case manager Camilla Price had taken on a new case. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
This is a case of Clive Frederick Cable. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
When the case was referred to us from the council, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
they were already in contact with some of the family members. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
This occasionally happens when the council refers matters to us, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
as they may have personally been referred the case by family members, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
so... So therefore they passed these names onto us when... | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
getting in contact to find anyone else who may be entitled to | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
-the estate. -We need to get a couple of possible addresses. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
The estate was thought to be worth around £32,000, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
and although they'd had a head start in the research, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
the threat of the competition was still in the back of their mind. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
Whilst we had been referred this case privately, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
there was always the possibility that the case could have been released to | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
the public at any moment, or potentially that the information had been shared to another | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
competitor, so we had to treat this case as if it was a competitive case, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
and therefore act immediately and find heirs as soon as possible. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Clive, who was known to his friends as Fred, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
passed away on the 5th of June 2016 in Reedham in Norfolk. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
It's a small, rural village, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
and Fred was a key figure in the local community, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
having set up a tug-of-war team. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
People from all over England knew Fred Cable. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
You could go anywhere and... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
people would know him. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
He was such a character. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
-Yeah. Sad. -Once you met him, you'd never forget him. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
No. Sad loss to the village. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
Fred was always an active man and his school friends, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
who he was in regular contact with throughout his life, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
remember him as a keen sportsman. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Fred used to win all the running at school when... | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
In the last years that we were at school together. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
He used to run up the road every day, didn't he? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
-Yeah. -He was running every day. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
He was one of the most fittest men at 65 I ever knew. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
-Yeah. -Till he got diabetes. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
And then, I'm afraid, he went down. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
Fred loved to spend time in the company of his friends | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
and would set up local meetings at this social club. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
He enjoyed... | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
you know, coming up here on a Tuesday night, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
get everyone together, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
and some of the old boys used to come in and have a good yarn. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
And his hospitality wasn't just confined to the social club. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Yeah, he even organised holidays in the early days. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
I mean, that must have been late-'60s... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
-Late '60s. -Early '70s. -Yes. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
It was '64 when you went to Spain, wasn't it? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
The first... The first time we went to Spain, that was 46 for 12 days, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
£46, and that included the train fare from Norwich station to Gatwick. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
And that snowballed from then on to about, sort of, about ten years, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
and the last time I went there was about 15, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
nearly 20 of us in the gang, all went on holiday altogether, you know? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
He was the instigator. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
But although Fred had a huge group of friends, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
it was a very different story when it came to family, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
and the hunt for his heirs almost stalled before it had even begun. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
There are a few cousins up here left. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
When the council referred the case to us, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
they passed on the name Clive Frederick Cable and a date of birth. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
We couldn't find anyone under that name or within that year. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
It was a massive problem. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
With no record of Fred's birth, the research would be going nowhere. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
And breathe... | 0:15:31 | 0:15:32 | |
But then Camilla made a surprise breakthrough. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
We played around with the records a bit and thankfully found a name, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Shirley Frederick Clive Cable, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
and the year of birth matched the year we were looking for. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
Whilst this wasn't the name we were initially looking for within our | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
records, we hoped that this would be the right one. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Thankfully his certificate came back | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
and it was the person we were looking for. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Armed with Frederick's full name, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Camilla was able to carry out searches to ascertain whether or not | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
Fred had never married or had children, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
as a spouse or next of kin would be first in line to inherit. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
But in Fred's case, this was far from straightforward. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
We had a lot of options to play with in regards to his name. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
Obviously we knew that the deceased was born under Shirley Frederick Clive Cable. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
However, he also used Clive Frederick, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
and there was a possibility that he also used Frederick Clive, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
so we had to consider all these options when looking for marriages. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Hello, it's Ryan Gregory up in London. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
We're a firm of heir hunters... | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Eventually Camilla was satisfied she had exhausted all combinations of | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
Fred's name, but news wasn't good. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
We discovered that the deceased was a bachelor, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
therefore he had never married or had any children | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
who could potentially be entitled to this estate. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Next, Camilla needed to find out if Fred had siblings, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
but she discovered he was the only child of father | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Frederick Gunton Cable and Elsie Eva Edwards. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Can you try and trace them through and speak to them and find out | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
-whether they're related or not? -Mm-hmm. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
But then Camilla made a tragic discovery. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
Sadly, the deceased's father died when Clive was quite young. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Fred was just 12 when his father died and, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
crucially for the heir hunters, his mother had remarried. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
This opened up a new avenue of research. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
There's also always going to be the possibility that she had more | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
children who could be half-blood siblings of the deceased. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
Any half-blood brothers or sisters would be sole heirs to the estate. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
OK, great. I'll send that through to you. Bye-bye. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
But after a bit more digging, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
it appeared that, although Fred's mother remarried, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
she didn't have any more children. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
As soon as we had ruled out full and half-blood siblings of the deceased, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
we realised that we had to go into paternal and maternal family trees. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
Fortunately, on the paternal Cable side of the family, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Camilla had been given a head start by the council who'd referred them | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
-the case. -When the council referred the case to us, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
they passed on a few names of relatives | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
who could potentially be entitled to this estate. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Camilla set about confirming | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
that these relatives were indeed heirs. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
She established that Fred's father Arthur had a brother called Reginald | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
and a sister called Phyllis. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
Phyllis had one daughter and Reginald had a daughter and a son, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
and this confirmed the research which the council passed on to us. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
But although the team now had three confirmed heirs on the Cable side, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
their work was far from finished. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
But now we knew we had to face the other side, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
which was going to be the surname Edwards, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
and we knew this was going to be much harder to research into. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
-We need to get cracking on this side, then, yeah? -Yeah. -All right? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
Edwards is one of the most common surnames in Britain, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
meaning Camilla and the team now faced a mammoth task. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
With a commonly occurring surname and without certificates, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
you are never too sure whether you are dealing with the right people, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
particularly the further you drop down the generations | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
through the family. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
If they know less about the other members of the family that connect | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
together, it can cause problems for us. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
And the Edwards surname lived up to its reputation. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
After finding out the deceased's mother was called Elsie Eva Edwards, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
we then looked up this birth under a circa 1902 | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
and found that there were work 14 possibilities for an Elsie E Edwards. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
So this was quite a lot of possibilities just within that small period of time, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
and therefore we knew it was going to be quite a struggle to locate | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
the right Elsie and also find her on the 1911 census. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
After sifting through hundreds of records, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
Camilla finally found the correct Elsie Edwards | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
and began looking for her siblings. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
After finding Elsie on a 1911 census, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
we discovered that she was one of six siblings. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Therefore, we had five stems to look into. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
With a large family and the Edwards surname, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
the team was facing an uphill struggle. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
But against the odds, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
Camilla soon thought she had made a breakthrough on the stem of Fred's | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
uncle, Frederick Charles. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
He potentially had three children called Sidney, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
Bernard and Hazel Edwards. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
After researching into the family a bit more, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
we discovered that Hazel married | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
and had two children before passing away. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
We also found potential heirs on the line of Sidney and Bernard. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
But as Camilla made contact with these potential maternal heirs, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
the search was about to come crashing down. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
They were able to confirm that they weren't part of the family we were | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
looking for. Whilst they were related to each other, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
they weren't actually related to the deceased that we were looking for. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
It was a sign of just how hard the Edwards name was going to be. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Which was obviously quite unfortunate | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
and meant that the heirs that we had found were no longer entitled. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
But with more calls getting them nowhere... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
There's been a couple of mishaps. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
She actually passed away as an infant. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
..would they reach an heir before the competition? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people get an unexpected knock | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
on the door from the heir hunters. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
I was quite surprised. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
A little bit shocked to find out | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
that I had a long-lost relative who's passed on. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
As well as handing over life-changing sums of money, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
they can bring long-lost relatives back together. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
That is how they're connected, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
so Charles was first cousin of your late mum. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
That's a shock. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Currently, there are over 11,000 unsolved cases worth at | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
least £5.5 million. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
And, today, we have the details of two. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
The first is Beatrice Svenson, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
who passed away in London on the 26th of January 1992 | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
at the grand age of 90. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
While her name has Scandinavian origins, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
she was born in London and never married. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
Are you part of a British-based Svensson family? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
If so, it could be you the heir hunters are looking for. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
The second case is Keith Vincent Irons, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
who died aged 77 on the 7th of December 1992 in Sheffield. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:14 | |
He was born in Shropshire on the 21st of January 1915. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
The surname Irons was most prevalent in Northamptonshire in the | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
19th century, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
but is now common in Scotland and Cornwall. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Could you be a relative of Keith's? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
If so, there may be a surprise windfall waiting for you. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Hopkinson update? Have we got an update? | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
In London, Gareth and Sinead at Fraser and Fraser | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
are on the hunt for the family of John Hopkinson. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Let me print off some trees and then... | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
-I'll start making calls. -There's a Linda here. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
They've discovered it's a low-value estate and are now | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
looking to his wider family, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
where it looks like there may be many cousins to trace. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
That's the family tree. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
This is just the paternal side. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
With the estate relatively low in value at £20,000... | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
If you can get these sorted as quickly as possible. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
-OK. -..case manager Gareth is trying to find heirs while keeping research | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
-costs down. -When we start a case, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
we literally don't know what we are looking at. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
But if you start a case, if you start finding heirs, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
-we are duty bound to locate all the heirs. -These two are alive. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Once you've started, you've got to finish the work. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
You can't just leave it half-baked. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
The heir hunters have discovered John was completely out of touch | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
with his family and had been for decades. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
His only sister had been trying to find him before she died in 2014. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
-Yeah. We've got that, haven't we, the husband? -Yeah. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Although John died in Margate, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
research suggests most of his family are in the Nottingham area | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
and Sinead is getting close to tracking him down. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
I've got few people up-to-date. She has two children - | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
one of them died in 2005. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
She is looking at Phyllis Walker, a maternal aunt of John Hopkinson, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
who died in 1980. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
Phyllis appears to have had three children, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
who would be John's cousins and heirs, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
and Sinead thinks she has found them. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
So we've got just one phone number there? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
-Yes. -Right, I'll go call this lady. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
All right, cool. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
Gareth is determined to speak to an heir today. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
We have made quite good progress on this case. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I am going to try and contact one of the cousins of the deceased, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
really just to introduce ourselves and explain why we're involved. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
We've got a few beneficiaries now, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
but I've only got one telephone number to call. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
I might find out a little bit more about the deceased as well. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
What we do know at the moment is... | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
he wasn't in contact with his family. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Gareth's hopes of tying up this case quickly rest on this phone call. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
They're the only contact details they have for a potential heir. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
This is pretty standard for me. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
The only number we've got to call on this case, it doesn't work. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
I'm going to ask Sinead if she can find any other numbers, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
or a current number. I'm guessing that's an old number. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Maybe she's no longer living at that address. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Try and make contact some other way. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
But Sinead quickly manages to find more people for Gareth to contact. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
One of his paternal aunts, Florence, had two children - | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
both of whom have passed away. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
But one of them, John's cousin Sheila, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
had children who would be his heirs. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
-Hey, Gareth. -Hey. -So Sheila has two children. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
This is the address for Sheila? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
-Yeah. -With an address and a phone number, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
there is double the chance of them finally making contact with an heir. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
And she flipped between that one and another address, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
but that is the only one that I can get a telephone number for. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
-Brilliant, thank you. -You're welcome. -I'll give them a call. -Brilliant. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Will it be third time lucky for Gareth? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
So we've got a choice of two. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:26:00 | 0:26:01 | |
That's a good start. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
We've got a ring, but there's nobody answering. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
She is probably at work. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
One of the biggest problems we have. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
We are trying to contact people, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
but obviously they are out and about, doing their day job. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
But once again, his luck's not in. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
My name is Gareth Langford, I am calling from a firm of genealogists. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
I look forward to hearing from you. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
-Thank you. -It's seriously frustrating for Gareth. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
So... Answerphone. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
No joy. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
He's found heirs, but he can't speak to them. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
It's a frustrating end to the day. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
I have been able to leave an answerphone message on one. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
At least that is some contact and hopefully they give us a call back. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
-Thank you. -Goodbye. -The next day, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
new information comes to light which changes the case. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
I've had quite a few calls from some of the heirs, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
which have been really helpful, actually. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
There is some extra information I'm going to give to Sinead. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
-Right, Sinead? -Yes? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
I've got a little bit more information. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
So I have spoken to... I have spoken to someone on each branch now. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
Of the ones that we've been able to get up-to-date. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
-OK. -The heirs have been able to give Gareth some intriguing information, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
which may explain the mystery | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
of why John became estranged from his family. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
They all knew of the deceased. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
They all knew that he was in the military. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
I'm getting a mixture of RAF and now I am getting Army as well. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
And he left the Army, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
and then had absolutely no contact with the family after that. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
So they all know that story, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
-but they are not... -That he absconded? -Yeah. Potentially, yes. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
The family believes John served in the Forces until the 1960s, when he | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
suddenly went absent without leave. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
The circumstances of his disappearance aren't known, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
but Gareth has also found a friend of John's who says that, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
having fled the military, he sought refuge in London's East End. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
The East End was the place where you wanted to go and hide. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
Sometimes, the police just didn't even want to | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
come around here because of the rough sorts, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
so it would have been an easy place for Hopkinson to hide. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
It's even rumoured that, while living in East London, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
John played cards with some notorious opponents. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Well, the Krays are legendary around this area, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
so much so that they pretty much ruled most of the gambling halls and | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
a lot of the pubs. Ronnie and Reggie would attend these, go drinking, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
play cards. No-one would ever try and beat the Krays at cards because | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
they'd get taken out the back and given a kicking. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Apparently, as one story goes, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
John Hopkinson beat the Krays on several occasions at cards. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
Now, they wanted to go and lay into him because they were bad losers, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
but one barman said, "No, he's a friend." | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
You know, "Just leave him be." | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
John survived his brush with gangsters | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
and did a variety of jobs for the next few decades, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
retiring to Margate. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:09 | |
But for that entire time, he was out of touch with his family, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
so Gareth's research into John and his wider kin | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
is having an interesting effect. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
During the course of our research, and speaking to family members or | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
neighbours, we really built up quite an interesting fact file, almost, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
of what the deceased was like. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
So, you know, it is always refreshing when you get so much information | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
about the deceased, and we can pass that information on. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
The team have managed to speak to several potential heirs to John's estate. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
Take care, bye-bye. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:38 | |
But there is still one stem on John's mother's side of the family to tie up - | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
the branch of his Aunt Phyllis. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
So, Sinead... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
-Yeah? -Up-to-date tree with what we've got so far. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
-OK. -What has been unearthed is that we've got more work on Phyllis. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
-Yeah, sure, no problem. I will get on it right now. -Thank you. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
So Gareth has just come down with the tree. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
On Phyllis' stem, she has one more child named Angela, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
who is meant to be in the Weymouth area. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Unlike previous attempts to contact heirs, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Gareth gets through to Angela immediately. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
No problem at all. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
Thanks. Bye-bye. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
And a few days later, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
she is reflecting on the surprise call from Gareth. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
I was just stunned. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
It brought back a lot of memories. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
It was... I was quite upset at the time, actually, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
to think that I didn't know where he was. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
She still remembers when John went missing in the 1960s. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
I just remember | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
Mum saying to me, "John has disappeared." | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I said, "How can he disappear? You can't disappear." | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
But he did. And he just disappeared and we never heard from him again. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
And it's really quite sad. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
He was quiet, and I think he must have had a terrible time to go and | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
do something like that. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
Whatever had happened, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
it seemed John was determined to avoid the Army. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
I know that, every year, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
the Army used to come back to my auntie's to find out if she had | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
heard from him at all. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
John may never have known how much his disappearance affected the family, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
especially his mother Hilda. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
It must have been terrible for her, really, not knowing where he was. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
And I often think about that because I have thought about him a lot over | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
the years. And every year, on his birthday, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
she used to put a piece in the paper to say, "Happy birthday, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
"John Hopkinson, wherever you are." | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
But the heir hunters have been able to help Angela and the rest of the | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
family understands what John's life was like after he vanished, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
and Gareth is now at the stage of finalising John's family tree. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
I think there is going to be about 17 beneficiaries on this case | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
and we've got contact details for each one, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
and that is the way it will be, really. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
At the end of the day, we are a firm of researchers. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
So when you have finished the research, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
when you've actually accomplished the whole point of us being | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
involved, it's quite rewarding. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
So it's quite satisfying to get it all pretty much finalised | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
-reasonably quickly. -But on this unique case, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
helping resolve the mystery of John's life for the wider family is | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
the real reward. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
One of the best things that we have brought to the family is | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
probably closure for what happened to him. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
He had always been a mystery, he had always disappeared, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
but at least now, you know, that mystery has ended for them. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Angela had always feared the worst about what had happened to John | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
and now the heir hunters have been able to put her mind at rest. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Just nice to know that John did actually live a life. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
And memories of their happy childhoods have returned. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
They are so pretty. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
At Christmas, going to Grandma's, having Christmas, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
all of us together, John was quite quiet, really. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
I don't remember him being a naughty boy at all. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
I think I was probably the youngest | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
and I was probably the naughtiest, actually. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
But I remember... | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
I remember him very well. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
I remember Grandma's and we were all there. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
It was just lovely. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
-I did a search for marriages yesterday. -Mm-hm. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
And there were quite a few options. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
In London, assistant case manager Camilla Price from Finders International | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
had hit a stumbling block on the case of Fred Cable, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
who had been born Shirley Frederic Clive Cable. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
There's been a couple of mishaps with looking in stems | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
and then finding out it's wrong. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
Speaking to potential family members early on in the research is key to | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
establishing if the team is on the right track. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Sometimes, we will speak to people and they will confirm that they are | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
actually the incorrect person and the incorrect family | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
and, therefore, we have to scrap our research and start again. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Having wasted precious time researching the wrong family, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Camilla was back to square one. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
She had a lead on three paternal heirs, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
but still had three branches of the maternal side to research. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
Despite having no known close family, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Fred Cable was surrounded by friends in the Norfolk village, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
where he was the founding member of tug-of-war team the Reedham Vikings. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
Fred had those skills, that hunger maybe to do some sport or other, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
and I think Reedham would have started off as | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
a village team that competed | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
in village fetes, sports days, agricultural shows. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
But as they got better and began to win more competitions, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
they moved across into the Tug of War Association, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
where they competed as a topline team there. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Fred would have become involved in tug-of-war during his Army days. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
A lot of people were introduced to tug-of-war | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
in their period within the Forces, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
but it goes back quite a long way. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
And I have got a page, a cover page, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
from the Illustrated London News of 1890. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
Where you've got the London Garrison sports day | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
and there's tug-of-war going on there. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
And you can take that through to a little bit more modern, 1947, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
you've got tug-of-war being... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
a competition on the decks of the aircraft carrier Ark Royal. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
And it was important as part of physical fitness, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
it was important as part of teamwork, again, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
being prepared to obey orders, get on with the job. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
And it appeared the Brits were pretty good at the sport. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Tug of war as an Olympic sport first came in in 1900, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
but it was only featured in five Olympics. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
We were represented primarily by the police forces. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
And we actually won gold when the Olympics were in London in 1908, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
and we won gold again in 1920 when the Olympics were in Antwerp. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
In 1958, having left the Army, and while working at a local brewery, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
Fred honed his passion for the sport. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Fred was well known throughout the tug-of-war community as a puller and | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
also as an area representative for East Anglia with the | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
Tug of War Association, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:46 | |
so a well-known and well-respected gentleman. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
And the team won 600 trophies during their 37-year existence. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
Fred as the driving force behind Reedham Vikings... | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
..amassed over the years a huge amount of knowledge, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
training techniques, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
skill, motivational skills, and with his passing, those things are lost. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
Having dedicated his life to his sport, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Fred had not had a family of his own, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
which meant the heir hunters | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
had to find next of kin to share his £30,000 estate. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
-Yeah, it did get a bit bigger. -That's quite a lot of cousins! | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
Yeah, a lot of cousins. Yeah. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
Fred's mother, Elsie Edwards, was one of six children. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
The team had ruled out children from one sister, May. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
So Camilla turned her attention to another stem. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Another uncle for the deceased was William James Edwards | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
and he was one of the eldest of the Edwards children, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
being born in 1883, he went on to marry a woman called Harriet Flegg. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
Together, they had three children. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
One of these children was Alice Edwards | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
and, having found her child, Camilla quickly got in contact. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
They confirmed that they were wrong and weren't actually part of our Edwards family. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
Camilla spotted a crucial detail that would make life easier. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
A lot of the Edwards family worked within the railway profession, and | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
this was quite useful when we were trying to descend lines and research | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
into the family, especially, for example, William James Edwards. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
He is listed here as a plate-layer | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
and also his father is listed in the same occupation, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
and this meant we were able to confirm that we had found the right | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
William and we were able to stem this marriage from this point on. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
All right. Cheers, then. Take care. Bye-bye. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
The crosschecking paid off. William had had three children, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
but sadly two of them, Alice and her twin brother, had died in infancy. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
Therefore, we only had one stem to descend - | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
that was the stem of Rosa Gladys Edwards. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
She married an Arthur Larham and together they had four children. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
Three of Rosa's children had also passed away. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
But when Camilla looked into the fourth daughter, also called Rosa, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
she finally had some success. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
We were able to find an address and a telephone number for Rosa. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
And this time, Camilla's phone call brought good news. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
I know this area very well, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:24 | |
only about 15 minutes away from my door. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Today, travelling rep David is visiting Fred's first cousin once removed, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
Rosa, and her daughter Julie. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
In my possession, I have a big family tree. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
It's about five feet long. And what we're going to do is we're going to open it out in front of her | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
and she can have a good look, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
and we'll get a show of who all her relatives are. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
Hiya. Good afternoon, my name is David. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come in. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
-All right, thanks very much. Nice to meet you. -Cheers. -Thank you. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
We started off right the way up here. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Now, the information was that a Shirley Frederick Clive Gable was | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
-the deceased person. -So they say, yeah. -Yeah. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
And you can see your family line going all the way back. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I'm presuming this would be, is it, great-grandfather? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
-Yes. -Great-grandfather James George Edward there. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Then you come down to... It should be your grandfather, is that? | 0:40:28 | 0:40:34 | |
William James Edwards. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
-It must be. -And we come down on another level to Rose Gladys, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
which I believe would be your mum. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
Yeah, that's right, yeah. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
Who married Arthur... | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
-Arthur Larham. -That's it. In 1926. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
And then we come down to you, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
and I see that you've actually got two brothers and a sister? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
-Yeah, they've all gone now. -They've all gone now, unfortunately. -I'm the only one left. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
You're the only one left out of those, yeah? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
And the tree has revealed a family secret. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
We found out these as well. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
-Yeah, that's right. -That your mum had... | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
It looks as though they were born the same year, so they must have been twins. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
-Yeah, that's right. -My mum had two... -Infant death there. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
Yeah. I think they were twins, but they passed away at birth, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
-unfortunately. -We've never, ever heard anything about that. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
That would have been Nanny's brother and sister. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah. It would have been. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
There you go. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
They would have been your auntie and uncle, if they had survived. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
With Rosa and her late siblings' children completing the stem | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
of Fred's Uncle William, Camilla could finally close the case. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
We were able to find 22 heirs in the end - | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
three on the paternal side and 19 on the maternal side. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
And the case was solved just in time, as Fred's beneficiaries were | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
traced in time for his funeral. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
It was an interesting experience. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:02 | |
We met some relatives that we obviously never knew we had, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
some very nice people over there, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
and who talked to us and we sort of managed to establish that Clive was | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
connected to my mum's grandad. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
And that he was a big part of the village there, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
of village life in Reedham. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
He was kind of Mr Reedham, it seemed to us, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
that everything revolved around him, so he was quite an impressive man. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
It was really interesting to us. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
And it is learning about their relative and wider family that means | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
more to Rosa and Julie than anything else. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
It was never about the money | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
and, to be quite honest, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
having beans to Reedham and seeing the community there and Clive's | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
sport and all the things that he really loved and were passionate about, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:53 | |
that any legacy of his should lie within there, really. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
You know, we are just strangers. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:58 | |
From the little bit I know about him, he kind of enjoyed his life | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
and I really hope that he spent his money on enjoying himself, really, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
and doing what he loved doing. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 |