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Today, it's all hands on deck in the race to find heirs.

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It feels like a lot of the numbers I call don't work.

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And the hunt uncovers a family tragedy.

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His sister and his mother have been looking for him for many, many years.

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Unfortunately, they never found him.

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On another case, there's a problem at the first hurdle.

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We can't find anyone under that name or within that year.

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But the search reveals a leading figure in the community.

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You could go anywhere and...people would know him.

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It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters.

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It's 11am...

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I think it needs to be put on the file that that's what you've discovered.

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..and, in London, case manager Gareth Langford

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from Fraser and Fraser has a new case to work.

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So we've just had a referral of a case, John Hopkinson.

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We don't know much about the gentleman at the moment.

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We've been asked to assist in locating his next of kin.

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-Get the birth and marriage...

-Yeah.

-Look at that and then we'll work on it.

-OK.

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Gareth is quick to get researcher Sinead on the case as well.

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The information I've got so far is that the deceased has died this year

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and that he was born on the 18th of December 1940,

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and now I'm going to look for his birth.

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The case has been referred to them privately

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and they need to work fast.

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This particular case, it's not in the public domain at the moment,

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so it's important that we crack on with it.

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It's a race to get it done as quickly as possible

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so that no other company will get a look in.

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But the heir hunters have scant information to work with.

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John Hopkinson died in May 2016,

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having spent the last years of his life living in the seaside town of

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Margate. Little is known about John and no photos of him appear to

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survive, but, living in Margate,

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he would have been surrounded by a friendly and close-knit community.

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You haven't got the hustle and bustle of living in London.

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Do what you like, when you like.

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It just suits us, me and the wife, you know?

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Nice and peaceful, you know?

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And, erm...

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We enjoy it here.

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John passed away aged 76 without a will and never

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married or had children.

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So the hunt is on to find any living relatives.

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OK, thank you. Bye.

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And despite limited information,

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Sinead is already making swift progress.

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So I've found John's birth.

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His mother's maiden name is Walker and, because he's born in December,

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on the 18th of December, his birth is actually registered in 1941 in

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the March quarter, in...Nottingham.

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So, for that, I'm going to...

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Now I've got an area to look at.

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I'm going to see if I can find his parents' marriage.

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Sinead needs to find a marriage in the right area between a Hopkinson

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and a Walker. But time is of the essence,

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as Gareth has some information about the value of John's estate.

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On this case, it is a modest value, so we can't spend too much time,

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really, looking at it.

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What we need to do is get it up-to-date as quickly as possible,

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so we, you know, limit our resources, really.

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The estate is worth approximately £20,000.

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Gareth knows every second counts with these early stages

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of research on a privately-referred case.

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PHONE RINGS

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-Hello?

-But any day it could become in the public domain,

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which means it would then be competitive,

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and with a smaller-value estate, that's the last thing we want.

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On the front line of research,

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Sinead has made good progress with John's close family.

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So far on the tree, I've found John's parents there.

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They are Hilda Frances Walker and Reginald Verity Hopkinson.

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They married in the March quarter of 1932 in Nottinghamshire.

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And Sinead soon makes a crucial discovery

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which could change the whole case.

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John also has one sister called Janice Hopkinson,

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who was born in 1935 in Nottingham.

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In any case where there is close kin,

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the heir hunters know they need to tread carefully.

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Something could have happened within the family meaning the brother and sister lost touch.

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If Janice is still alive, she'd be the sole heir,

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which would allow the team to wrap up this low-value case

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quickly and cost-effectively.

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-Just start from the beginning.

-Yeah.

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But after searching every record she can, Sinead hits a dead end.

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Looking at Janice, I've found that she marries a Trevor G Trickett in 1976

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in Nottingham, but after that she just disappears.

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There is no trace of her on any system I can find.

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But Sinead has also spotted something odd

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about Janice's mother Hilda.

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But there is actually nothing for Hilda.

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There has been no death for her, so she's also disappeared.

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All can get is, really, is her birth and marriage and that's it,

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-because there's no death for her or anything.

-Thank you.

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Gareth steps in to see if he can help.

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The team has hit a dead end, and desperately needs more information,

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but Gareth has a possible ace up his sleeve.

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In a case when it's referred to us, you know, they've asked for our assistance,

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so they are often quite helpful with the questions that we may ask.

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Gareth goes back to the people who referred them the case and is able

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to get some valuable new information about John's sister Janice.

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That's quite crucial, actually, because we need to count it out.

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She possibly went to France.

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OK. That's all updated.

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Sinead now needs to follow up on this major new lead

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and hopes of keeping the research costs down are fading fast.

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When somebody moves abroad like this,

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it does make our research a lot more difficult.

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There is a possibility that she may have remarried, which would then...

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It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

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It could be anywhere.

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But Sinead is undeterred

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and wants to explore the French connection as fast as possible.

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There isn't a deadline just yet, but it's...

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It's sort of like we set our own deadlines,

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just to get it done as quickly as possible.

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Also you sort of, like,

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have your own little race against the other companies,

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that you can beat their researchers. So...

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With the search for John's sister stalled,

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and with questions as to why her and her brother appear to have lost

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contact, the team has no choice but to look to the wider family in the

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hope it provides some answers.

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It really is a challenge for us because, our starting point,

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we need to know where they went.

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So Sinead is going to have to move to the wider family

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to see if they know what happened to John's sister and mother.

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So, at this point,

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I'm going to go back and look at cousins and see if any of them know

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what's happened to Janice and Hilda.

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Looking into the wider family means yet more research and more costs,

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but Sinead is able to make quick inroads into John's mother's family.

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Lucky for me, Hilda is Hilda Frances Walker and, on the 1911 census,

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her parents have put her down as Hilda Frances Walker,

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born about 1906.

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It says that her parents are George William Walker and Daisy Emma.

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I've looked through the parents' marriage -

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it says that they were married for eight years.

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George and Daisy Walker are John's maternal grandparents.

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Their children would be his maternal aunts and uncles.

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The 1911 census lists George Walker as a herbalist

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and, in an era before many modern medicines were available,

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he would have sold remedies for a wide variety of medical complaints.

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This is the kind of thing he would have very likely had -

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balsam of horehound and squill.

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Horehound Marrubium vulgare,

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to warm and lift the phlegm and tar from the chest.

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The origins of herbal medicine stretch back thousands of years

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and the ancient Greeks were among the early civilisations that learned

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to harness the healing power of plants.

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Yarrow - Achillea millefolium...

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Named after Achilles, the Greek warrior.

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Millefolium is the 1,000 leaves.

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It stops bleeding, so a very, very useful first aid plant.

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When they would take it into battle, because it's specific for very,

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very clean cuts, like a glass cut or a metal wound,

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what you would do is chew it.

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So you take a piece, and if it's a big wound, you take a large,

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you would take it all, chew it up,

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out it comes. Pack the wound with your pulp

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and then lay another piece,

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perhaps a fine piece, across the top of it.

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And then that forms the basis of your compress,

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and then you would then apply the bandaging on top of...

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on top of that. And the idea is they give the flesh on either side of the

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wound something to hold on to,

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to grip on to and then to start restitching itself,

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to re-heal itself.

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It's a good plant ally, yarrow.

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Everyone needs to know where their yarrow plants are

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because they're everywhere. You just need to know where they are, so you can find them.

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Herbalism remained popular throughout the Victorian era

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and George Walker was well-placed to capitalise.

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Through the 1800s and 1900s, herbal medicine was still going very,

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very strong. More people were moving into the cities,

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increased urbanisation, so, first of all,

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people weren't having so much access to their plants.

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They were in the city now.

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People were hungry for herbs

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and so they certainly would have bought their herbs from Mr Walker.

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In the office, the team can use this unusual job as a clue

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in their search for George's marriage to Daisy.

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The right marriage certificate would list him as a herbalist.

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Found their marriage and they married in 1902 in Nottingham,

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and Daisy's surname is Mortar.

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Now, because I've got...

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They've listed that they've got four children on the census,

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I'm going to do an after '11 birth search to find if they had

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-any more children.

-These would be maternal aunts and uncles of John's,

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and their children, his cousins.

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The team is hoping these cousins might be able to help them track

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down John's elusive sister Janice.

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But before Sinead has a chance to find any of them,

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there's a dramatic development.

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Gareth receives a call from someone who knew Janice...

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Hello.

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-Yeah.

-And it changes everything.

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I was advised that the sister actually died in Spain

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with the deceased's mother as well, who also went to Spain.

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But they've also unearthed a family tragedy which had haunted John's

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family for years.

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His sister and his mother have been looking for him for many, many years.

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Unfortunately, they never found him.

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As John's sister had died, it means the heir hunters

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must now continue their search for his cousins.

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It's Sinead's job to track them down as quickly as possible,

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and perhaps uncover the reason why John's sister and mum had been

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searching for him for so long.

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-So what have we got?

-So we're looking at the maternal side.

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There is a lot of pressure to get this job done so that we can get in

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there first, obviously, and beat the competition.

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Can Gareth and Sinead find heirs

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before the competition gets the case?

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No answer there.

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No joy. It feels like a lot of the numbers I call don't work.

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Whilst they were related to each other,

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they weren't actually related to this family.

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In the central London offices of probate research firm

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Finders International,

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assistant case manager Camilla Price had taken on a new case.

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This is a case of Clive Frederick Cable.

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When the case was referred to us from the council,

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they were already in contact with some of the family members.

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This occasionally happens when the council refers matters to us,

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as they may have personally been referred the case by family members,

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so... So therefore they passed these names onto us when...

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getting in contact to find anyone else who may be entitled to

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-the estate.

-We need to get a couple of possible addresses.

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The estate was thought to be worth around £32,000,

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and although they'd had a head start in the research,

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the threat of the competition was still in the back of their mind.

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Whilst we had been referred this case privately,

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there was always the possibility that the case could have been released to

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the public at any moment, or potentially that the information had been shared to another

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competitor, so we had to treat this case as if it was a competitive case,

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and therefore act immediately and find heirs as soon as possible.

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Clive, who was known to his friends as Fred,

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passed away on the 5th of June 2016 in Reedham in Norfolk.

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It's a small, rural village,

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and Fred was a key figure in the local community,

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having set up a tug-of-war team.

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People from all over England knew Fred Cable.

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You could go anywhere and...

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people would know him.

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He was such a character.

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-Yeah. Sad.

-Once you met him, you'd never forget him.

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No. Sad loss to the village.

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Fred was always an active man and his school friends,

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who he was in regular contact with throughout his life,

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remember him as a keen sportsman.

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Fred used to win all the running at school when...

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In the last years that we were at school together.

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He used to run up the road every day, didn't he?

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-Yeah.

-He was running every day.

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He was one of the most fittest men at 65 I ever knew.

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-Yeah.

-Till he got diabetes.

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And then, I'm afraid, he went down.

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Fred loved to spend time in the company of his friends

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and would set up local meetings at this social club.

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He enjoyed...

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you know, coming up here on a Tuesday night,

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get everyone together,

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and some of the old boys used to come in and have a good yarn.

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And his hospitality wasn't just confined to the social club.

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Yeah, he even organised holidays in the early days.

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I mean, that must have been late-'60s...

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-Late '60s.

-Early '70s.

-Yes.

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It was '64 when you went to Spain, wasn't it?

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The first... The first time we went to Spain, that was 46 for 12 days,

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£46, and that included the train fare from Norwich station to Gatwick.

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And that snowballed from then on to about, sort of, about ten years,

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and the last time I went there was about 15,

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nearly 20 of us in the gang, all went on holiday altogether, you know?

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He was the instigator.

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But although Fred had a huge group of friends,

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it was a very different story when it came to family,

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and the hunt for his heirs almost stalled before it had even begun.

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There are a few cousins up here left.

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When the council referred the case to us,

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they passed on the name Clive Frederick Cable and a date of birth.

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We couldn't find anyone under that name or within that year.

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It was a massive problem.

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With no record of Fred's birth, the research would be going nowhere.

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And breathe...

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But then Camilla made a surprise breakthrough.

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We played around with the records a bit and thankfully found a name,

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Shirley Frederick Clive Cable,

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and the year of birth matched the year we were looking for.

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Whilst this wasn't the name we were initially looking for within our

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records, we hoped that this would be the right one.

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Thankfully his certificate came back

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and it was the person we were looking for.

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Armed with Frederick's full name,

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Camilla was able to carry out searches to ascertain whether or not

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Fred had never married or had children,

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as a spouse or next of kin would be first in line to inherit.

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But in Fred's case, this was far from straightforward.

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We had a lot of options to play with in regards to his name.

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Obviously we knew that the deceased was born under Shirley Frederick Clive Cable.

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However, he also used Clive Frederick,

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and there was a possibility that he also used Frederick Clive,

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so we had to consider all these options when looking for marriages.

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Hello, it's Ryan Gregory up in London.

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We're a firm of heir hunters...

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Eventually Camilla was satisfied she had exhausted all combinations of

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Fred's name, but news wasn't good.

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We discovered that the deceased was a bachelor,

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therefore he had never married or had any children

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who could potentially be entitled to this estate.

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Next, Camilla needed to find out if Fred had siblings,

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but she discovered he was the only child of father

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Frederick Gunton Cable and Elsie Eva Edwards.

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Can you try and trace them through and speak to them and find out

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-whether they're related or not?

-Mm-hmm.

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But then Camilla made a tragic discovery.

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Sadly, the deceased's father died when Clive was quite young.

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Fred was just 12 when his father died and,

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crucially for the heir hunters, his mother had remarried.

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This opened up a new avenue of research.

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There's also always going to be the possibility that she had more

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children who could be half-blood siblings of the deceased.

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Any half-blood brothers or sisters would be sole heirs to the estate.

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OK, great. I'll send that through to you. Bye-bye.

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But after a bit more digging,

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it appeared that, although Fred's mother remarried,

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she didn't have any more children.

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As soon as we had ruled out full and half-blood siblings of the deceased,

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we realised that we had to go into paternal and maternal family trees.

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Fortunately, on the paternal Cable side of the family,

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Camilla had been given a head start by the council who'd referred them

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-the case.

-When the council referred the case to us,

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they passed on a few names of relatives

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who could potentially be entitled to this estate.

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Camilla set about confirming

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that these relatives were indeed heirs.

0:18:100:18:13

She established that Fred's father Arthur had a brother called Reginald

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and a sister called Phyllis.

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Phyllis had one daughter and Reginald had a daughter and a son,

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and this confirmed the research which the council passed on to us.

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But although the team now had three confirmed heirs on the Cable side,

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their work was far from finished.

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But now we knew we had to face the other side,

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which was going to be the surname Edwards,

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and we knew this was going to be much harder to research into.

0:18:360:18:40

-We need to get cracking on this side, then, yeah?

-Yeah.

-All right?

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Edwards is one of the most common surnames in Britain,

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meaning Camilla and the team now faced a mammoth task.

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With a commonly occurring surname and without certificates,

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you are never too sure whether you are dealing with the right people,

0:18:530:18:56

particularly the further you drop down the generations

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through the family.

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If they know less about the other members of the family that connect

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together, it can cause problems for us.

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And the Edwards surname lived up to its reputation.

0:19:060:19:10

After finding out the deceased's mother was called Elsie Eva Edwards,

0:19:100:19:14

we then looked up this birth under a circa 1902

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and found that there were work 14 possibilities for an Elsie E Edwards.

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So this was quite a lot of possibilities just within that small period of time,

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and therefore we knew it was going to be quite a struggle to locate

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the right Elsie and also find her on the 1911 census.

0:19:280:19:31

After sifting through hundreds of records,

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Camilla finally found the correct Elsie Edwards

0:19:340:19:36

and began looking for her siblings.

0:19:360:19:38

After finding Elsie on a 1911 census,

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we discovered that she was one of six siblings.

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Therefore, we had five stems to look into.

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With a large family and the Edwards surname,

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the team was facing an uphill struggle.

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But against the odds,

0:19:520:19:53

Camilla soon thought she had made a breakthrough on the stem of Fred's

0:19:530:19:56

uncle, Frederick Charles.

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He potentially had three children called Sidney,

0:19:580:20:01

Bernard and Hazel Edwards.

0:20:010:20:05

After researching into the family a bit more,

0:20:050:20:07

we discovered that Hazel married

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and had two children before passing away.

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We also found potential heirs on the line of Sidney and Bernard.

0:20:110:20:15

But as Camilla made contact with these potential maternal heirs,

0:20:160:20:19

the search was about to come crashing down.

0:20:190:20:22

They were able to confirm that they weren't part of the family we were

0:20:240:20:27

looking for. Whilst they were related to each other,

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they weren't actually related to the deceased that we were looking for.

0:20:300:20:33

It was a sign of just how hard the Edwards name was going to be.

0:20:330:20:36

Which was obviously quite unfortunate

0:20:360:20:38

and meant that the heirs that we had found were no longer entitled.

0:20:380:20:42

But with more calls getting them nowhere...

0:20:420:20:45

There's been a couple of mishaps.

0:20:450:20:47

She actually passed away as an infant.

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..would they reach an heir before the competition?

0:20:490:20:52

Every year in Britain, thousands of people get an unexpected knock

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on the door from the heir hunters.

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I was quite surprised.

0:21:030:21:06

A little bit shocked to find out

0:21:060:21:08

that I had a long-lost relative who's passed on.

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As well as handing over life-changing sums of money,

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they can bring long-lost relatives back together.

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That is how they're connected,

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so Charles was first cousin of your late mum.

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That's a shock.

0:21:270:21:29

Currently, there are over 11,000 unsolved cases worth at

0:21:300:21:34

least £5.5 million.

0:21:340:21:37

And, today, we have the details of two.

0:21:370:21:40

The first is Beatrice Svenson,

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who passed away in London on the 26th of January 1992

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at the grand age of 90.

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While her name has Scandinavian origins,

0:21:510:21:54

she was born in London and never married.

0:21:540:21:58

Are you part of a British-based Svensson family?

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If so, it could be you the heir hunters are looking for.

0:22:010:22:05

The second case is Keith Vincent Irons,

0:22:050:22:08

who died aged 77 on the 7th of December 1992 in Sheffield.

0:22:080:22:14

He was born in Shropshire on the 21st of January 1915.

0:22:150:22:19

The surname Irons was most prevalent in Northamptonshire in the

0:22:200:22:23

19th century,

0:22:230:22:26

but is now common in Scotland and Cornwall.

0:22:260:22:28

Could you be a relative of Keith's?

0:22:290:22:31

If so, there may be a surprise windfall waiting for you.

0:22:310:22:35

Hopkinson update? Have we got an update?

0:22:440:22:47

In London, Gareth and Sinead at Fraser and Fraser

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are on the hunt for the family of John Hopkinson.

0:22:490:22:52

Let me print off some trees and then...

0:22:520:22:54

-I'll start making calls.

-There's a Linda here.

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They've discovered it's a low-value estate and are now

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looking to his wider family,

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where it looks like there may be many cousins to trace.

0:23:010:23:04

That's the family tree.

0:23:050:23:07

This is just the paternal side.

0:23:070:23:09

With the estate relatively low in value at £20,000...

0:23:090:23:13

If you can get these sorted as quickly as possible.

0:23:130:23:16

-OK.

-..case manager Gareth is trying to find heirs while keeping research

0:23:160:23:21

-costs down.

-When we start a case,

0:23:210:23:23

we literally don't know what we are looking at.

0:23:230:23:26

But if you start a case, if you start finding heirs,

0:23:260:23:28

-we are duty bound to locate all the heirs.

-These two are alive.

0:23:280:23:31

Once you've started, you've got to finish the work.

0:23:310:23:33

You can't just leave it half-baked.

0:23:330:23:35

The heir hunters have discovered John was completely out of touch

0:23:400:23:43

with his family and had been for decades.

0:23:430:23:45

His only sister had been trying to find him before she died in 2014.

0:23:450:23:50

-Yeah. We've got that, haven't we, the husband?

-Yeah.

0:23:500:23:52

Although John died in Margate,

0:23:520:23:54

research suggests most of his family are in the Nottingham area

0:23:540:23:58

and Sinead is getting close to tracking him down.

0:23:580:24:00

I've got few people up-to-date. She has two children -

0:24:000:24:04

one of them died in 2005.

0:24:040:24:06

She is looking at Phyllis Walker, a maternal aunt of John Hopkinson,

0:24:060:24:10

who died in 1980.

0:24:100:24:12

Phyllis appears to have had three children,

0:24:120:24:14

who would be John's cousins and heirs,

0:24:140:24:16

and Sinead thinks she has found them.

0:24:160:24:19

So we've got just one phone number there?

0:24:190:24:21

-Yes.

-Right, I'll go call this lady.

0:24:210:24:23

All right, cool.

0:24:230:24:25

Gareth is determined to speak to an heir today.

0:24:250:24:29

We have made quite good progress on this case.

0:24:290:24:31

I am going to try and contact one of the cousins of the deceased,

0:24:310:24:35

really just to introduce ourselves and explain why we're involved.

0:24:350:24:39

We've got a few beneficiaries now,

0:24:390:24:40

but I've only got one telephone number to call.

0:24:400:24:43

I might find out a little bit more about the deceased as well.

0:24:430:24:45

What we do know at the moment is...

0:24:450:24:48

he wasn't in contact with his family.

0:24:480:24:50

Gareth's hopes of tying up this case quickly rest on this phone call.

0:24:500:24:54

They're the only contact details they have for a potential heir.

0:24:540:24:57

This is pretty standard for me.

0:25:000:25:02

The only number we've got to call on this case, it doesn't work.

0:25:020:25:05

I'm going to ask Sinead if she can find any other numbers,

0:25:050:25:07

or a current number. I'm guessing that's an old number.

0:25:070:25:09

Maybe she's no longer living at that address.

0:25:090:25:11

Try and make contact some other way.

0:25:110:25:13

But Sinead quickly manages to find more people for Gareth to contact.

0:25:180:25:23

One of his paternal aunts, Florence, had two children -

0:25:230:25:26

both of whom have passed away.

0:25:260:25:29

But one of them, John's cousin Sheila,

0:25:290:25:31

had children who would be his heirs.

0:25:310:25:33

-Hey, Gareth.

-Hey.

-So Sheila has two children.

0:25:340:25:38

This is the address for Sheila?

0:25:380:25:39

-Yeah.

-With an address and a phone number,

0:25:390:25:42

there is double the chance of them finally making contact with an heir.

0:25:420:25:46

And she flipped between that one and another address,

0:25:460:25:48

but that is the only one that I can get a telephone number for.

0:25:480:25:51

-Brilliant, thank you.

-You're welcome.

-I'll give them a call.

-Brilliant.

0:25:510:25:54

Will it be third time lucky for Gareth?

0:25:540:25:57

So we've got a choice of two.

0:25:580:26:00

PHONE RINGS

0:26:000:26:01

That's a good start.

0:26:010:26:02

We've got a ring, but there's nobody answering.

0:26:040:26:07

She is probably at work.

0:26:070:26:08

One of the biggest problems we have.

0:26:080:26:10

We are trying to contact people,

0:26:100:26:12

but obviously they are out and about, doing their day job.

0:26:120:26:15

But once again, his luck's not in.

0:26:150:26:18

My name is Gareth Langford, I am calling from a firm of genealogists.

0:26:220:26:25

I look forward to hearing from you.

0:26:270:26:29

-Thank you.

-It's seriously frustrating for Gareth.

0:26:290:26:32

So... Answerphone.

0:26:320:26:35

No joy.

0:26:360:26:37

He's found heirs, but he can't speak to them.

0:26:390:26:42

It's a frustrating end to the day.

0:26:420:26:44

I have been able to leave an answerphone message on one.

0:26:460:26:49

At least that is some contact and hopefully they give us a call back.

0:26:490:26:52

-Thank you.

-Goodbye.

-The next day,

0:26:590:27:01

new information comes to light which changes the case.

0:27:010:27:04

I've had quite a few calls from some of the heirs,

0:27:040:27:07

which have been really helpful, actually.

0:27:070:27:09

There is some extra information I'm going to give to Sinead.

0:27:090:27:11

-Right, Sinead?

-Yes?

0:27:110:27:13

I've got a little bit more information.

0:27:130:27:16

So I have spoken to... I have spoken to someone on each branch now.

0:27:160:27:20

Of the ones that we've been able to get up-to-date.

0:27:200:27:23

-OK.

-The heirs have been able to give Gareth some intriguing information,

0:27:230:27:27

which may explain the mystery

0:27:270:27:29

of why John became estranged from his family.

0:27:290:27:32

They all knew of the deceased.

0:27:320:27:34

They all knew that he was in the military.

0:27:340:27:37

I'm getting a mixture of RAF and now I am getting Army as well.

0:27:370:27:40

And he left the Army,

0:27:400:27:41

and then had absolutely no contact with the family after that.

0:27:410:27:44

So they all know that story,

0:27:440:27:47

-but they are not...

-That he absconded?

-Yeah. Potentially, yes.

0:27:470:27:50

The family believes John served in the Forces until the 1960s, when he

0:27:510:27:55

suddenly went absent without leave.

0:27:550:27:58

The circumstances of his disappearance aren't known,

0:27:580:28:01

but Gareth has also found a friend of John's who says that,

0:28:010:28:04

having fled the military, he sought refuge in London's East End.

0:28:040:28:08

The East End was the place where you wanted to go and hide.

0:28:080:28:11

Sometimes, the police just didn't even want to

0:28:110:28:14

come around here because of the rough sorts,

0:28:140:28:17

so it would have been an easy place for Hopkinson to hide.

0:28:170:28:20

It's even rumoured that, while living in East London,

0:28:220:28:24

John played cards with some notorious opponents.

0:28:240:28:28

Well, the Krays are legendary around this area,

0:28:280:28:32

so much so that they pretty much ruled most of the gambling halls and

0:28:320:28:35

a lot of the pubs. Ronnie and Reggie would attend these, go drinking,

0:28:350:28:39

play cards. No-one would ever try and beat the Krays at cards because

0:28:390:28:43

they'd get taken out the back and given a kicking.

0:28:430:28:46

Apparently, as one story goes,

0:28:460:28:48

John Hopkinson beat the Krays on several occasions at cards.

0:28:480:28:53

Now, they wanted to go and lay into him because they were bad losers,

0:28:530:28:56

but one barman said, "No, he's a friend."

0:28:560:28:59

You know, "Just leave him be."

0:28:590:29:00

John survived his brush with gangsters

0:29:020:29:04

and did a variety of jobs for the next few decades,

0:29:040:29:08

retiring to Margate.

0:29:080:29:09

But for that entire time, he was out of touch with his family,

0:29:090:29:12

so Gareth's research into John and his wider kin

0:29:120:29:15

is having an interesting effect.

0:29:150:29:17

During the course of our research, and speaking to family members or

0:29:170:29:21

neighbours, we really built up quite an interesting fact file, almost,

0:29:210:29:24

of what the deceased was like.

0:29:240:29:26

So, you know, it is always refreshing when you get so much information

0:29:260:29:29

about the deceased, and we can pass that information on.

0:29:290:29:31

The team have managed to speak to several potential heirs to John's estate.

0:29:330:29:37

Take care, bye-bye.

0:29:370:29:38

But there is still one stem on John's mother's side of the family to tie up -

0:29:390:29:43

the branch of his Aunt Phyllis.

0:29:430:29:46

So, Sinead...

0:29:460:29:48

-Yeah?

-Up-to-date tree with what we've got so far.

0:29:480:29:51

-OK.

-What has been unearthed is that we've got more work on Phyllis.

0:29:510:29:55

-Yeah, sure, no problem. I will get on it right now.

-Thank you.

0:29:550:29:59

So Gareth has just come down with the tree.

0:29:590:30:02

On Phyllis' stem, she has one more child named Angela,

0:30:020:30:06

who is meant to be in the Weymouth area.

0:30:060:30:08

Unlike previous attempts to contact heirs,

0:30:080:30:11

Gareth gets through to Angela immediately.

0:30:110:30:13

No problem at all.

0:30:130:30:15

Thanks. Bye-bye.

0:30:150:30:17

And a few days later,

0:30:180:30:20

she is reflecting on the surprise call from Gareth.

0:30:200:30:23

I was just stunned.

0:30:230:30:24

It brought back a lot of memories.

0:30:260:30:27

It was... I was quite upset at the time, actually,

0:30:270:30:29

to think that I didn't know where he was.

0:30:290:30:32

She still remembers when John went missing in the 1960s.

0:30:320:30:36

I just remember

0:30:360:30:38

Mum saying to me, "John has disappeared."

0:30:380:30:41

I said, "How can he disappear? You can't disappear."

0:30:410:30:44

But he did. And he just disappeared and we never heard from him again.

0:30:440:30:48

And it's really quite sad.

0:30:490:30:51

He was quiet, and I think he must have had a terrible time to go and

0:30:520:30:56

do something like that.

0:30:560:30:57

Whatever had happened,

0:30:590:31:01

it seemed John was determined to avoid the Army.

0:31:010:31:04

I know that, every year,

0:31:040:31:05

the Army used to come back to my auntie's to find out if she had

0:31:050:31:10

heard from him at all.

0:31:100:31:12

John may never have known how much his disappearance affected the family,

0:31:120:31:16

especially his mother Hilda.

0:31:160:31:19

It must have been terrible for her, really, not knowing where he was.

0:31:190:31:22

And I often think about that because I have thought about him a lot over

0:31:220:31:25

the years. And every year, on his birthday,

0:31:250:31:28

she used to put a piece in the paper to say, "Happy birthday,

0:31:280:31:31

"John Hopkinson, wherever you are."

0:31:310:31:33

But the heir hunters have been able to help Angela and the rest of the

0:31:350:31:38

family understands what John's life was like after he vanished,

0:31:380:31:42

and Gareth is now at the stage of finalising John's family tree.

0:31:420:31:46

I think there is going to be about 17 beneficiaries on this case

0:31:460:31:48

and we've got contact details for each one,

0:31:480:31:51

and that is the way it will be, really.

0:31:510:31:53

At the end of the day, we are a firm of researchers.

0:31:530:31:56

So when you have finished the research,

0:31:560:31:58

when you've actually accomplished the whole point of us being

0:31:580:32:01

involved, it's quite rewarding.

0:32:010:32:02

So it's quite satisfying to get it all pretty much finalised

0:32:020:32:07

-reasonably quickly.

-But on this unique case,

0:32:070:32:10

helping resolve the mystery of John's life for the wider family is

0:32:100:32:13

the real reward.

0:32:130:32:15

One of the best things that we have brought to the family is

0:32:150:32:17

probably closure for what happened to him.

0:32:170:32:19

He had always been a mystery, he had always disappeared,

0:32:190:32:22

but at least now, you know, that mystery has ended for them.

0:32:220:32:25

Angela had always feared the worst about what had happened to John

0:32:280:32:32

and now the heir hunters have been able to put her mind at rest.

0:32:320:32:35

Just nice to know that John did actually live a life.

0:32:350:32:40

And memories of their happy childhoods have returned.

0:32:400:32:43

They are so pretty.

0:32:430:32:44

At Christmas, going to Grandma's, having Christmas,

0:32:440:32:47

all of us together, John was quite quiet, really.

0:32:470:32:51

I don't remember him being a naughty boy at all.

0:32:510:32:54

I think I was probably the youngest

0:32:540:32:57

and I was probably the naughtiest, actually.

0:32:570:32:59

But I remember...

0:32:590:33:02

I remember him very well.

0:33:020:33:04

I remember Grandma's and we were all there.

0:33:040:33:07

It was just lovely.

0:33:070:33:08

-I did a search for marriages yesterday.

-Mm-hm.

0:33:190:33:22

And there were quite a few options.

0:33:220:33:24

In London, assistant case manager Camilla Price from Finders International

0:33:240:33:28

had hit a stumbling block on the case of Fred Cable,

0:33:280:33:31

who had been born Shirley Frederic Clive Cable.

0:33:310:33:35

There's been a couple of mishaps with looking in stems

0:33:350:33:39

and then finding out it's wrong.

0:33:390:33:41

Speaking to potential family members early on in the research is key to

0:33:440:33:48

establishing if the team is on the right track.

0:33:480:33:51

Sometimes, we will speak to people and they will confirm that they are

0:33:530:33:56

actually the incorrect person and the incorrect family

0:33:560:33:59

and, therefore, we have to scrap our research and start again.

0:33:590:34:01

Having wasted precious time researching the wrong family,

0:34:050:34:08

Camilla was back to square one.

0:34:080:34:10

She had a lead on three paternal heirs,

0:34:100:34:12

but still had three branches of the maternal side to research.

0:34:120:34:16

Despite having no known close family,

0:34:190:34:22

Fred Cable was surrounded by friends in the Norfolk village,

0:34:220:34:25

where he was the founding member of tug-of-war team the Reedham Vikings.

0:34:250:34:30

Fred had those skills, that hunger maybe to do some sport or other,

0:34:300:34:35

and I think Reedham would have started off as

0:34:350:34:38

a village team that competed

0:34:380:34:40

in village fetes, sports days, agricultural shows.

0:34:400:34:45

But as they got better and began to win more competitions,

0:34:450:34:49

they moved across into the Tug of War Association,

0:34:490:34:53

where they competed as a topline team there.

0:34:530:34:55

Fred would have become involved in tug-of-war during his Army days.

0:34:580:35:01

A lot of people were introduced to tug-of-war

0:35:080:35:11

in their period within the Forces,

0:35:110:35:13

but it goes back quite a long way.

0:35:130:35:15

And I have got a page, a cover page,

0:35:150:35:19

from the Illustrated London News of 1890.

0:35:190:35:23

Where you've got the London Garrison sports day

0:35:230:35:26

and there's tug-of-war going on there.

0:35:260:35:28

And you can take that through to a little bit more modern, 1947,

0:35:280:35:32

you've got tug-of-war being...

0:35:320:35:34

a competition on the decks of the aircraft carrier Ark Royal.

0:35:340:35:40

And it was important as part of physical fitness,

0:35:400:35:42

it was important as part of teamwork, again,

0:35:420:35:46

being prepared to obey orders, get on with the job.

0:35:460:35:49

And it appeared the Brits were pretty good at the sport.

0:35:500:35:53

Tug of war as an Olympic sport first came in in 1900,

0:35:570:36:01

but it was only featured in five Olympics.

0:36:010:36:05

We were represented primarily by the police forces.

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And we actually won gold when the Olympics were in London in 1908,

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and we won gold again in 1920 when the Olympics were in Antwerp.

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In 1958, having left the Army, and while working at a local brewery,

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Fred honed his passion for the sport.

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Fred was well known throughout the tug-of-war community as a puller and

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also as an area representative for East Anglia with the

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Tug of War Association,

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so a well-known and well-respected gentleman.

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And the team won 600 trophies during their 37-year existence.

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Fred as the driving force behind Reedham Vikings...

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..amassed over the years a huge amount of knowledge,

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training techniques,

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skill, motivational skills, and with his passing, those things are lost.

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Having dedicated his life to his sport,

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Fred had not had a family of his own,

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which meant the heir hunters

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had to find next of kin to share his £30,000 estate.

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-Yeah, it did get a bit bigger.

-That's quite a lot of cousins!

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Yeah, a lot of cousins. Yeah.

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Fred's mother, Elsie Edwards, was one of six children.

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The team had ruled out children from one sister, May.

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So Camilla turned her attention to another stem.

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Another uncle for the deceased was William James Edwards

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and he was one of the eldest of the Edwards children,

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being born in 1883, he went on to marry a woman called Harriet Flegg.

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Together, they had three children.

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One of these children was Alice Edwards

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and, having found her child, Camilla quickly got in contact.

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They confirmed that they were wrong and weren't actually part of our Edwards family.

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Camilla spotted a crucial detail that would make life easier.

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A lot of the Edwards family worked within the railway profession, and

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this was quite useful when we were trying to descend lines and research

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into the family, especially, for example, William James Edwards.

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He is listed here as a plate-layer

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and also his father is listed in the same occupation,

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and this meant we were able to confirm that we had found the right

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William and we were able to stem this marriage from this point on.

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All right. Cheers, then. Take care. Bye-bye.

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The crosschecking paid off. William had had three children,

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but sadly two of them, Alice and her twin brother, had died in infancy.

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Therefore, we only had one stem to descend -

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that was the stem of Rosa Gladys Edwards.

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She married an Arthur Larham and together they had four children.

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Three of Rosa's children had also passed away.

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But when Camilla looked into the fourth daughter, also called Rosa,

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she finally had some success.

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We were able to find an address and a telephone number for Rosa.

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And this time, Camilla's phone call brought good news.

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I know this area very well,

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only about 15 minutes away from my door.

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Today, travelling rep David is visiting Fred's first cousin once removed,

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Rosa, and her daughter Julie.

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In my possession, I have a big family tree.

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It's about five feet long. And what we're going to do is we're going to open it out in front of her

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and she can have a good look,

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and we'll get a show of who all her relatives are.

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Hiya. Good afternoon, my name is David.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come in.

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-All right, thanks very much. Nice to meet you.

-Cheers.

-Thank you.

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We started off right the way up here.

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Now, the information was that a Shirley Frederick Clive Gable was

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-the deceased person.

-So they say, yeah.

-Yeah.

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And you can see your family line going all the way back.

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I'm presuming this would be, is it, great-grandfather?

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-Yes.

-Great-grandfather James George Edward there.

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Then you come down to... It should be your grandfather, is that?

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William James Edwards.

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-It must be.

-And we come down on another level to Rose Gladys,

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which I believe would be your mum.

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Yeah, that's right, yeah.

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Who married Arthur...

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-Arthur Larham.

-That's it. In 1926.

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And then we come down to you,

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and I see that you've actually got two brothers and a sister?

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-Yeah, they've all gone now.

-They've all gone now, unfortunately.

-I'm the only one left.

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You're the only one left out of those, yeah?

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And the tree has revealed a family secret.

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We found out these as well.

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-Yeah, that's right.

-That your mum had...

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It looks as though they were born the same year, so they must have been twins.

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-Yeah, that's right.

-My mum had two...

-Infant death there.

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Yeah. I think they were twins, but they passed away at birth,

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-unfortunately.

-We've never, ever heard anything about that.

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That would have been Nanny's brother and sister.

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-Yeah?

-Yeah. It would have been.

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There you go.

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They would have been your auntie and uncle, if they had survived.

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With Rosa and her late siblings' children completing the stem

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of Fred's Uncle William, Camilla could finally close the case.

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We were able to find 22 heirs in the end -

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three on the paternal side and 19 on the maternal side.

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And the case was solved just in time, as Fred's beneficiaries were

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traced in time for his funeral.

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It was an interesting experience.

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We met some relatives that we obviously never knew we had,

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some very nice people over there,

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and who talked to us and we sort of managed to establish that Clive was

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connected to my mum's grandad.

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And that he was a big part of the village there,

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of village life in Reedham.

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He was kind of Mr Reedham, it seemed to us,

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that everything revolved around him, so he was quite an impressive man.

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It was really interesting to us.

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And it is learning about their relative and wider family that means

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more to Rosa and Julie than anything else.

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It was never about the money

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and, to be quite honest,

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having beans to Reedham and seeing the community there and Clive's

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sport and all the things that he really loved and were passionate about,

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that any legacy of his should lie within there, really.

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You know, we are just strangers.

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From the little bit I know about him, he kind of enjoyed his life

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and I really hope that he spent his money on enjoying himself, really,

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and doing what he loved doing.

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