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Today, two cases that could potentially be worth a fortune. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
Found a NatWest account. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
We're talking a considerable sum of money. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Life-changing. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
When you work a case and it turns out to suddenly have value, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
it's always a bit of a shock. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
But that leads to every heir hunter's worst nightmare. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We had to really make sure that we had the correct family, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
because his names weren't matching up. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
This potentially could disinherit all of the people we had previously | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
contacted and render possibly months' worth of work useless. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
In central London, case managers Ryan Gregory and Amy Moyes | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
from heir hunting firm Finders | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
are on their way to visit a flat which belonged to Victor Hubbuck, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
who passed away in May 2016. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
Today's visit is crucial because they are looking for information | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
that could have a dramatic effect on Victor's case. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
It's twofold really, partly to build up an idea of the estate value, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
but it's also to look for a will. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
All of the work we do up until this point, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
it's all completely at our own risk. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
If we go into Victor's home now and we come across a will, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
all that we'll be taking out of this is the benefit of being able to | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
-provide relatives with a bit of family history. -Yeah. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Victor Jonathan Albert Hubbuck passed away on 20th May, 2016, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
in a nursing home in London, aged 83. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
There are no known photographs of Victor and his neighbours say | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
he kept himself to himself. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Ryan and Amy are hoping the search of Victor's flat | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
will also give them an insight into his life. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
In visiting a house clearance, you come across all sorts of items that, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:04 | |
here in the office, we just wouldn't have access to. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
What they're interested in, hobbies they might have had, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
all the sorts of bits and pieces of information that relatives might ask | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
when we're making contact with them. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
-This is the one, isn't it? -This is it. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
-Hi, Michael. -Hi. -After you. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
How long have you guys been here? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
About ten minutes. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
OK. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
Ryan and Amy have joined probate lawyers Michael and Christopher | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
who are assisting with the search. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Have you found anything since you've been in here? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
No. We've just started. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
OK. Getting the opportunity to visit the last known address | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
of a deceased person is not something, as a case manager, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
we get to do very often. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
It opens up the possibilities for us to find out some information about | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
someone who's passed away, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
hopefully glean a bit of information that otherwise may be lost. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
He was obviously a table tennis player. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
And also chess. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
Victor owned this flat, thought to be worth around £400,000. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
As well as a will, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
the team are also looking for signs of any further value to this estate. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Do we know what was his profession? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
A key indication being Victor's line of work. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Yeah, here we are. He was getting a pension from Royal Mail. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
Oh, so, he worked for the Royal Mail. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
But so far, there's no sign of any will. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
If a will does turn up, I mean, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
this potentially could render possibly months of work useless. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
Just this guy, really, who is the hardest for us to do. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
The house visit is just the latest stage in a case the team | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
have been working on for just over a month. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
As Victor passed away with no known will, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
the heir hunters were called in. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
This case was referred to us privately. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
There was a limited amount of information | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
in the original e-mail to us. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
With Victor leaving a property worth around £400,000, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Ryan was concerned the case | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
may have also caught the attention of rival firms. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Just because the case has been referred to us, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
doesn't necessarily mean that the case hasn't already been passed | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
to another firm, which means we have to always be aware | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
that this information could be in the hands of someone else. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
-No... -Wow. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
No dates, no area. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
Without a second to waste, Ryan began searching for Victor's heirs. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
So, the first thing for us to do when we're researching | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
the family tree is to find out whether someone was married. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
This is always the first course of action, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
because a spouse would take the entire estate. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
With no marriage listing for Victor, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Ryan was then quickly able to establish | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
he didn't have any children. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
We need to move on to knowing who his parents were. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
We need to know the names we're working with in order to conduct | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
a birth search to find any of Victor's siblings. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
But with the records indicating Victor was an only child, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
the race was now on for Ryan to search for Victor's wider family. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
So, we have to treat the case with a high priority. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
But Ryan knew he may not be alone. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
It's a kind of double-edged sword, really. As much as | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
we're finding the research quite easy into the Hubbuck family, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
if this case is being looked into by another firm, it's... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
They're dealing with the same surnames, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
they're going to be finding it as straightforward. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
To stand a chance of pipping any rival firms to the post, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Ryan decided to divide and conquer. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Did you ever get Gladys's middle name, Ryan? | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
He recruited fellow case manager Amy Moyes | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
to tackle the maternal side of the family... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
..whilst Ryan attempted to crack the paternal side. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
We found out that Victor's father, Stanley, passed away in 1980. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
Victor's mother, Gladys, passed away quite some time ago, actually, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
-in 1949. -Did you have a chance to look at the research | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
I've done on this one? | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
With Victor's mum having died young, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
the team wanted to know if Stanley had remarried. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
We conducted a marriage search for Stanley V Hubbuck. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
We found out there was another marriage in 1950. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
The marriage was between Stanley Victor Hubbuck | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
and Eileen Ernestine Hubbuck. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
The critical thing now was to establish whether Stanley | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
had children from his second marriage, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
as they would be Victor's half-siblings | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
and sole heirs to his estate. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Hello, it's Ryan Gregory in London. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
We're a firm of heir hunters. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
But unfortunately, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
the search for births from that marriage would prove to be tricky. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Eileen had already changed her name to Hubbuck | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
prior to marrying Stanley. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
So we really needed to know what her other surnames were. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
It could cause a delay. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
We always just want to get results as quickly as possible | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
in these kind of cases. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
A hold-up was the last thing Ryan needed. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
As he was working a valuable and potentially competitive case, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
the team took a punt and started looking into the wider family, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
knowing that if a half-blood sibling was found, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
it would render all their work useless. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
It's looking like quite a small family. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
I've only found the one stem. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
Amy took the maternal side and made good early progress. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
I've located the birth record for Gladys, Victor's mother. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
And we can see that her mother's maiden name is Hagget, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
spelt with a single T. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
But Amy soon hit a problem. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
Then gone on to take a look for Gladys's parents' marriage record | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
and we have Albert Henry Longman, marrying an Annie Florence Hagget, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
but this time Hagget is spelt with two Ts. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
I can see four possible variant spellings, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
so you're having to check each potential record four times | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
instead of just once. So it's obviously making... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Making the work a little bit more time-consuming. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Annie Longman was a Hagget. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
After some painstaking research, Amy had established | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
that Victor's maternal grandparents only had two children - | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
Victor's mum, Gladys Longman, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
and her brother, Frederick William Longman. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
A search of the birth indexes indicated that Frederick had | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
had just the one child... | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
..who would have been a direct cousin, a first cousin of Victor's. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
But with only one living heir on the maternal side, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
had the delays in researching the name Hagget left the door open | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
for a rival firm to sign her up first? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
We knew that we had just the one heir, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
so just the one chance at signature. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
With no time to waste, Amy got in contact with the sole maternal heir, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
but was she too late? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
It was really satisfying once we'd heard it was a successful visit | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
and she agreed to retain us. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:25 | |
But the good news was short-lived. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
On the paternal side, Ryan was still unable to establish whether or not | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
Victor had a half-sibling, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
so there was still a chance the sole maternal heir | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
would not be entitled to inherit. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
You know, no-one ever wants to get to a position | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
where they've found a number of heirs | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
of the wider family and then you come back and realise there's a step | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
that's been missed or someone that wasn't jumping out at you, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
who would then disinherit your other family members. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
But as the team desperately try to find the rightful heirs to Victor's | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
estate, they discover something that takes the case to a whole new level, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
and ups the ante with their competitors. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
Found a Natwest account. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
That's just to start with. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
We're talking a considerable sum of money. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Life-changing. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Massive problem with George. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
In central London, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
heir hunters at firm Fraser & Fraser have reached a critical point | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
in a big case and the clock is ticking. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Bet these could just stretch out so big, as well, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
you never know what's going to happen. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Case assistant Shannon Freeman, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
along with researcher Katie Peacock, is frantically trying to find | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
beneficiaries to the estate of John Theodoridi, who died in 2016 | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
It's just a bit of a challenge, really. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
It's one of those jobs that you keep going back to and you know you need | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
to crack it and it's just a matter of time before you get there. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
John Frederick Theodoridi passed away in hospital in London | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
on 16th July, 2016. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
He'd worked as a porter in the rag trade, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
and since the age of ten lived in a council flat in Tooting | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
in South London. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
He was a character. That's all I can say. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
A character. He had a fantastic sense of humour. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Mike was John's neighbour for 40 years and he remembers him fondly. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
I first met John 1976... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
..and I thought he looked sophisticated. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
And then later became friends with him | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
and he was like an older brother. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
For his entire life, John had shared a flat with his mum and dad, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
becoming their carer in their final years. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
When they passed away, it took its toll on John. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
The year after his mum died, he had a breakdown. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
He was in a local hospital, Springfield, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
for about two, two months. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
It did affect him somewhat. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
It's lovely, that. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
That is good, yeah. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
-Sort of innocent little face. -I know. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
With no family to care for John, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
he was befriended by neighbours Jane and Susan, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
who helped him with his weekly shop. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
When we came back, he would check the prices. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
You know? Sell-by dates. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
"This was two pence cheaper last week." | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
You know, have the money exactly. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Completely on the ball. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
I think he was the archetypal grumpy old man... | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
..in a lovely way! | 0:12:51 | 0:12:52 | |
When John died, it was these friends who gave him a good send-off. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
She got quite a few people to come to his funeral, which was wonderful, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
and they came here, to the Wheatsheaf, afterwards for a wake. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
As there were no family members to speak of. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
It isn't about family and I think of his mum, he said once, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
"Oh, they died a long time ago." | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
He only talked about his parents. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
I didn't think there were any other family members. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
We're not going to have anyone on this generation. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
This will all be down another level. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
With no known family or a will, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
John's estate was advertised on the government's Bona Vacantia list. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
It came from the government legal department, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
so we knew instantly the risk is that we could have other competitor | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
companies that may well also be working the same case. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
But competition from rival firms wasn't Shannon's only concern. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
The team needed to try and establish | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
if there was any value in John's estate. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
We knew that it was a small flat, and it was a council flat. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
It was quite a risk going on with the case. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
The heir hunters work on commission, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
making a pre-agreed percentage of the estate. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
We could start work and it could get bigger and bigger and bigger | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
and then at the end of the day we could have 50 beneficiaries | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
and no money to distribute. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
If the estate turned out to be worthless | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
it would spell disaster for the team. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Nonetheless, they decided to take the risk, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
hoping later down the line they would discover assets | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
that would make this case more worthwhile. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
First, Shannon had to establish some basic facts. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
John hadn't married or had any children, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
so the search focused on his parents. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
His father was Frederick Theodoridi and the team were confident about | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
working his side of the family. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Theodoridi is an amazingly unique name. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
From the beginning we knew it would be a great name to work. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Things were less positive on the maternal side, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
as John's mother Bessie had the most common surname of all - Smith. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
But Shannon soon made a significant discovery. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Our enquiries told us from a long-standing neighbour | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
that the deceased's mum was... She was raised in an orphanage. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
This was crucial information. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
If someone's raised in an orphanage it could mean perhaps | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
that they were born illegit, so they may not have a father. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
That works in a good way, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
in the sense that we wouldn't have a whole side of the tree to do, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
and where her surname was Smith, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
that would have helped us quite a bit. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
But Shannon couldn't get her hopes up just yet. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
We're not entirely sure if | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
what the neighbour said in regards to the orphanage was true. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
It could just be hearsay and she could maybe have just said that | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
to someone along the way. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
So far we've signed four people. Four of his cousins. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
If Shannon discovers she has to research the tricky maternal | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
Smith side of John's family, the workload would be monumental. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
In the meantime, Shannon began to research | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
the paternal Theodoridi side, starting with John's grandfather, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
but straight away, she ran into problems. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
His grandfather was known as Theodore Gabriel John Theodoridi, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
as well as being known as Gabriel Theodoridi | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
and John Frederick Theodoridi. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
The fact that he went by so many names was a concern for the team. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
He's Gabriel in the 1911 census, and that was one of our worries. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
We had to really make sure that we had the correct family | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
because his names weren't matching up. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
Concerned she may be researching the wrong family, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Shannon ordered a copy of the birth certificate | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
for John's grandfather Frederick | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
in the hope it would shine some light on the discrepancy in names. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
The birth certificate of the grandfather... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
So he's born as Theodore Gabriel Theodoridi, and that's in 1869. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
But it was the information the certificate contained | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
about John's great-grandfather that could have a huge bearing | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
on this case. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
John Theodoridi, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
the great grandfather of the deceased, was a tobacco merchant. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
It's a discovery that could open the case up | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
and lead to a high-value estate. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
We were quickly able to establish that with the unique name, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
there was someone who was a tobacco merchant who was quite well known | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
for opening a tobacco shop in London. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
John's career in the valuable tobacco industry | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
was forged in the 1850s, during the Crimean War. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
The British saw their Turkish allies and their Russian enemies | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
smoking these cigarettes. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
From its introduction in the 16th century, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
tobacco had been smoked using pipes | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
and then, from the early 1800s, cigars as well. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
That began to change after the Napoleonic wars, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
after the British troops shared cigars, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
ie smoking tobacco leaves in kind of leaves themselves. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
But in southern Europe, cigarettes were not really heard of yet | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
and after meeting British soldiers in the Crimean War, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
enterprising Theodoridi saw the craze for tobacco had the potential | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
to grow, and with it the opportunity to make a lot of money. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Cigarettes - the idea that you could smoke tobacco | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
in sort of thinly rolled-up bits of paper, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
that hadn't really caught on in England. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
So, in the late 19th century, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Theodoridi had picked a good racket to get involved with. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
In 1861, John opened his first cigarette shop, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
similar to this one in Leicester Square, in London. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
It was a good business proposition | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
because London then was the biggest city on the face of the earth. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
It was a centre of empire and where he had a shop - Leicester Square - | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
that was one of the most commercial places you could find. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
When John moved to England to open his shop in Leicester Square, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
it was the beginning of what would become a multimillion-pound industry | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
in the UK alone. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
By just opening that shop and coming over from another country | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
and starting his life over here, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
he's massively influenced what's happened so far in the world. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
For the heir hunt, it meant not only was their potential for John's | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
unclaimed estate to be worth a small fortune, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
but Shannon had now managed to confirm she was researching | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
the correct family. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
Dad's listed as John Theodore Theodoridi, rather than Gabriel, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
which is what we have on other records. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
So we're able to kind of work out that | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
straight off the top the grandfather was messing around with his name. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
He used a lot of different names during his life, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
so we just had to kind of keep that aware when we were looking for | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
things like census records and especially death records | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
and marriage records. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
Shannon was now able to start building the Theodoridi family tree. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
John's father Frederick had four siblings - | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
John, Reginald, Arthur and Jessie. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
But when they began looking for their descendants, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
they hit another problem. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
The further we started researching, we realised these families, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
they weren't going on to have children. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
Having ruled out Reginald, Arthur and Jessie from their search, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
options for finding heirs were looking limited. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
We only have descendants of one aunt and uncle. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
But things were looking even worse on the Smith side of the family, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
which Shannon had been hoping they'd be able to avoid. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
I've got the marriage certificate of the parents of the deceased | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
and it had a dad's name on it. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
And we wanted it to not have Dad's name on it. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
We wanted her to be raised in an orphanage and not have any family. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
But instead we got a census which was absolutely full of names | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
and they were stretching back to like 1883, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
so it's a lot of hard work now. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
It was the news the team had been dreading. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
They were facing a huge family with the worst possible name. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Isn't her maiden name Smith? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
We've got possibly eight top-liners who are all going to have children | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
and all going to carry on whittling down and we're going to have | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
so many beneficiaries. It's going to be a huge tree. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
I'm absolutely dreading it already. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
And with still no idea how much the estate was worth, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
was the case of John Theodoridi about to turn into a major loss? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
It felt like everything was against us. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Every year in Britain, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
thousands of people get a surprise knock on the door from heir hunters. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
A little bit shocked to find out that I had a long-lost relative. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
As well as handing over life-changing sums of money, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
the heir hunters can bring long-lost relatives back together. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
I was quite shocked because I didn't realise there was anybody | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
in the family that we could inherit from any more. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Thousands of estates have eluded the heir hunters | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and remain unsolved. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates yet to be claimed. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
or know someone that is? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:37 | |
The first case is Meade Grigg. She was born on 11th December, 1903, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
in Wales, possibly in Pembrokeshire... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
..and died on 6th December, 1987 in Bournemouth. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
It's unknown whether Meade ever married, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
but it's thought she had two nephews | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
and may have used the middle name Josephine. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Is there a chance you could be related | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
or know someone that could be? | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
The second case is Leslie James Swann, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
who was born on 28th March, 1923, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
in England, and died on 31st March, 2008, in Tooting, South London. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:24 | |
Leslie never married, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
but it's possible he was adopted and his birth name may have been Cowen. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
Do you know a Grigg or a Swann? | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
It's looking like quite a small family. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
I've only found the one stem. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
At heir-hunting firm Finders, case managers Ryan and Amy | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
have been desperately trying to find heirs to the estate | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
of Victor Hubbuck before rival firms. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
So we have to treat the case with a high priority. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
Victor owned a flat in West London, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
estimated to be worth around £400,000. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
-Very good. -That's quite interesting. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
But having found a potential cousin through Victor's mother, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
the team ran into trouble when they discovered there was a chance Victor | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
had a potential half-sibling. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
Half-blood siblings would also have a prior entitlement to any potential | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
maternal and paternal beneficiaries. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Knowing a half-sibling could make or break the case, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Ryan faced an anxious wait for the birth records to come through. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
We again found out that Stanley didn't have any other children | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
and Victor didn't have any other brothers and sisters. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Having ruled out half-siblings, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
the team could now focus their efforts on the wider family. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Ryan looked into Victor's father, Stanley, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
to see if he had brothers or sisters. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
But there was a problem. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
For some reason, we couldn't find Stanley Victor Hubbuck | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
on the 1911 census. He was coming up on 1939 register, but again, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
he wasn't with his family at that time. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
Frustratingly, the case had stalled. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
And with the possibility of rival firms moving in on the estate, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
Ryan had to think on his feet. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
The only way around it was to order the birth certificate | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
of Stanley Victor to find out the answer to that question - | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
who were Stanley's parents? | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
On a highly competitive case like this, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
Ryan faced an agonising wait for the birth certificate to arrive. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
But would it contain the information Ryan needed | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
to kick-start this search? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
We now have the names of his parents. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Now we've located the family on the 1911 census, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
the search can properly begin into any family members | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
on the paternal side. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
With that information, Ryan could now check key documents | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
to look for siblings of Victor's father. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
From the 1911 census, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
Ryan was able to establish that Victor's paternal grandparents, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
John Lee Hubbuck and Annie Tall, had three children - | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Ivy, William and Stanley. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
The census records are incredibly important. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
They will also tell us how many children they've had, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
how many are still living and how many have passed away. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
So that's an incredibly useful starting point | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
to know how many top lines we've got. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Another key bits of information which is useful for when we go back | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
to the 1911 census records is that Stanley's father John | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
was a master hairdresser. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
HORSE NEIGHS | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
By the mid-1800s, wigs, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
which had previously been the head garment of choice | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
amongst the well-heeled, were falling out of fashion | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
and a desire to have one's own hair styled instead | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
swept across London and the UK. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
By the 1900s, hairdressing had become a profession | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
that was in demand. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
In 1884, here in London, the Guild of Hairdressers, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
Wig-makers and Perfumers was established. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
And we can make out that John Hubbuck would have been a member | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
of one of these guilds, because he was called a master hairdresser. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
For Victor's grandfather John, to become a master hairdresser, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
he would have first undergone rigorous training. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Hairdressing apprentices would have to learn the different hairstyles, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
how to shave properly, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
how to sell and make different creams and lotions and potions. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
And it was also a fairly formal affair. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
As well as the skills and knowledge needed to ply their trade, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
the training also taught the aspiring hairdressers | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
how to converse with their clients. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
There were to avoid controversial topics, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
unless invited by the clients. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Such topics included personal relationships - | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
well, I can understand that one - | 0:28:15 | 0:28:16 | |
politics - that's fairly standard - or the weather. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
Now, if only fewer hairdressers talked to me about the weather, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
I'd be one happy customer. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
With the title of master hairdresser under his belt, in the early 1900s, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
John left Gateshead in north-east England and travelled south | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
to London with his wife, Annie. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
There would have been many more opportunities for him here | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
in order to make a name for himself | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
and cut the hair of many well-to-do clients | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
and no doubt sell them many of his own hair-styling products as well. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
Yeah, if you can get a couple of addresses. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Having travelled to London for work, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
the team discovered grandfather John stayed there to have a family. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
Upon checking the 1939 register, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Ryan revealed that John Hubbuck and his wife Annie had a fourth child | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
in 1923, called Sidney Ernest Hubbuck. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
With Victor's one aunt and two uncles to look into, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
the race was on to find a cousin who could be an heir. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
So, given that we've had to wait for the lead into the paternal family, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
we were really anxious to get to talk to someone, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
you know, to speak to beneficiaries. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Finally, Ryan was making progress on the paternal stems | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
and began to build a family tree. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
Victor's aunt - Ivy Hubbuck - married William Thomas in 1924. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
They had six children, one of whom was Grace Annie Thomas. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
But just when Ryan thought he was closing in on a paternal heir, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
he received some bad news. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
Here we have Grace Anne Thomas, she married Howard Etherington in 1966. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
Grace subsequently passed away in 2004. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
The trail had run cold. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
Ryan's only hope of finally finding a paternal heir | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
was all resting on Grace having children that were still alive. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
We have Grace Anne Thomas, she was survived by three children, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
one of whom was Nigel. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:32 | |
The team had finally struck gold and found an heir. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
Nigel is Victor's cousin once removed. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
I'd never heard of Victor before. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
My aunties had never mentioned anything about him... | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
..so it did come as a bit of a surprise, yes. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
Nigel's father was a diplomat, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
so he spent most of his life between boarding school in the UK | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
and living overseas. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Growing up as a diplomat's son, it was quite good fun... | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
..as we were able to go to the ambassador's residence quite often | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
and meet any British dignitaries. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Nigel's father's jetsetting career took its toll on the traditional | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
family life, and as a result, Nigel had never met his cousin, Victor. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
We've lost touch, I guess. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Or didn't really explore a lot of our extended family that perhaps, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
had we stayed in the same place, then maybe we would have done. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
Since finding out he is an heir, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Nigel has dug out some old family photographs. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
This chap's my dad. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
And this is my mum... | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
..with her dad. My grandads on either side, I think. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
They both died either when I was young or before I was born. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
There's a lot of people in here who I just have no clue who they are. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
But there was about to be another twist to this tale. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
Hi, Michael, nice to see you. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
Ryan and Amy, along with probate lawyers Michael and Christopher, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
are conducting a search of Victor's flat in Paddington in West London, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
which could have a huge bearing on Nigel's inheritance. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
They're looking for details of any savings or investments | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
Victor may have had. But also, any sign he may have left a will. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
If a will does turn up, I mean, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
this could potentially disinherit all of the people we've previously | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
contacted and render possibly months' worth of work useless. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Have you found anything since you've been in here? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
No. We've just started. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
Little is known about Victor. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:58 | |
But the search has already revealed that he worked for the Royal Mail | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
and appeared to live a very humble lifestyle. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
These look like bills. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
But the team are completely unprepared | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
for what they discover next. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Yep. Found a NatWest account. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
220,000 in it. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
And a Nationwide account with 320,000 in it. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
No way. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
Well, that's just to start with. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
We found the two bank statements. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
To be there when something like that happens is very memorable. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
We are talking a considerable sum of money. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Life-changing. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
-Fairly recent statements. -2016. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
2016. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
It's truly astonishing discovery. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
This kind of takes the case into another dimension. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
The bank statements indicate the estate is worth a staggering | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
half a million pounds more than they initially thought. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
And crucially for the heir hunters, there's no sign of any will. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
It's just mind-blowing. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
You know, now to know that somebody had that much money and then... | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
Nigel, along with 15 other heirs, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
will share Victor's impressive £900,000 estate. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
For Ryan and Amy, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
having pipped rival heir-hunting firms to the post, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
it's not a search they'll be forgetting any time soon. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
As a case manager, I mean, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
we go through a case and it starts off and it's just a name | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
on a file, and we don't really know anything about the person. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
So then we have to go in and have a look through Victor's property | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and know a bit about him. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
It is touching and it's quite moving. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
It's quite nice to be able to give them not only the financial rewards | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
that are available, but also to give them something more personal. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
Since discovering he's an heir to Victor's substantial estate, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
it has kick-started Nigel's own quest to discover | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
more about his family history. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
It would be an idea for me to try and find out who the rest | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
of these people are. It could fill in a few blanks. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
We're not going to have anyone on this generation, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
it's all going to be down another level. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
In London, heir hunters at Fraser & Fraser have spent | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
the last fortnight trying to crack the case of John Theodoridi, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
a quiet, private man who died in 2016 without leaving a will. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
The team had already discovered | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
John's great-grandfather was a tobacco entrepreneur. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
But despite having a wealthy relative, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
they still hadn't found any sign of any money. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
OK, so, someone who doesn't own a property is always a bit risky, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
cos you're purely reliant on any assets that they've had | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
during their life. So any savings that they've had, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
any cars that they've owned, you are really reliant on that. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
Having committed time and money into research, Shannon feared the worst. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
What we didn't want to do was go out to locate all of these people | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
and spend a lot of resources and a lot of money on a case to find out | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
that the deceased was insolvent or didn't have any money at all. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
As the search for finding heirs was under way, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
establishing the value of this estate was more pressing than ever. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
We knew that the mother and the father didn't leave any money to him | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
at the time of passing away. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:35 | |
So not even the neighbours knew that he had savings or money. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
Having exhausted most lines of inquiry, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
things were not looking good. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
But just when Shannon needed it, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
a bit of good luck was about to come her way. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
We were able to establish with some inquires that the deceased did have | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
some savings and it was in the region of around £80,000 | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
in one of his bank accounts. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
It was just what the team needed to hear. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
And then when we got the knowledge that there was money in the case, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
we then pursued the Smith side with a bit more aggression | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
and kind of got a lot more people to start research. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
OK, thank you. Goodbye. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
Shannon and the research team quickly sprung into action. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
But there was a major stumbling block that would slow them down. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
The deceased's mother's maiden name. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
At first, having a Smith job is really... It's almost worrying, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
because you know that you're going to have to spend the time and money | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
getting the certificates and doing the research. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
Eventually, Shannon managed to confirm that Bessie's parents | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
were Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Mills | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
and they had a total of ten children, including Bessie. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Two had died as infants, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
but that still left a daunting seven Smith stems to research. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
We realised we were dealing with not only a Smith family, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
but a very large family. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
And everything about the family made the hunt for heirs near impossible. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
We had names that were just first name, surname, Smith. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
We didn't have dates of birth, we didn't know where they were born, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
people were chopping and changing names | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
and it was just so disheartening. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
With the Smith side hitting a brick wall, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
the team began to wonder whether they'd ever crack this case. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
On the Theodoridi side, however, there was more positive news. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
The team had established that one of John's uncles, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
who was called John Frank Theodoridi, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
married Eva Moore in 1924. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
But the vital information for the heir hunt | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
was they went on to have five children. One of them was Valerie. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
I got on the telephone to her and she recognised the name, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
but she couldn't pinpoint it | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
and she didn't recognise the name of the deceased, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
which obviously made me worry a bit | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
whilst I was on the phone to her, thinking, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
have we gone off on a tangent? | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Was Shannon closing in on her first heir? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Or had the team just made a huge error? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
Valerie's reaction to the name John Theodoridi was not the one | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
the team had hoped for. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
I'd never heard of this... | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
..chap who was my cousin, so they were telling me. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
And I was a little bit excited, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
but I was a little bit... | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
I don't... ..flummoxed by it all. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
After the phone call, Valerie contacted her family | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
to see if anyone else had heard of a cousin called John. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
My nephews and my great-nephew said, oh, we will investigate this. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:50 | |
I've found out I'm related to John Frederick Theodoridi | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
and that he's my cousin. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
I found that amazing, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
that I had that side of the family that I didn't know existed. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
And I just couldn't believe it, really. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
Although she had no knowledge of the cousin John, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
or his father Frederick, she has fond memories of the time she spent | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
with her grandfather, Theodore Theodoridi. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
I sort of remember him very well. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
He lived in London and I remember him coming to see us regularly. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
Very gentlemanly | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
and always beautifully dressed. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
As well as finding out about the inheritance, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
Valerie has received a photograph of the cousin she never knew she had. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
Oh, good gracious. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
Would you believe it? | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
And instantly, Valerie can see the family resemblance. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
I can see my brother Derek here, you know? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Big family likeness. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
Oh, how wonderful. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
But the question remained - how did Valerie go through the last 80 years | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
without knowing about John or John's father? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
I'm quite surprised really that I've got these relatives | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
that I didn't know existed. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
My father was a very busy businessman. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
Some people, they live very much, don't they, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
with all their cousins and they are always seeing their cousins | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
and all that sort of thing - my family was not like that. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
Very good to their immediate family, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
but they don't seem to need to keep in contact | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
with other members of the family. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
As well as having made contact with an heir on the Theodoridi side, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
the team had also made a breakthrough | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
on the nightmare Smith side. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
And when we realised that one of the addresses was consistent | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
on all of the records, that was the only thing we began looking out for. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
We stopped looking for Smiths. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
We started looking for connections to the one property | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
and the moment we found that connection, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
we were finding marriages where people state that they were born | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
and married in that one property, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
it meant that we could pretty much... | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
We just stopped thinking of it as a Smith case and just started to think | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
"Hang on, we'll just look for everyone that was at this house." | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
The team discovered 19 heirs who will share John's £80,000 estate, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
along with the seven heirs | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
the team had already found on the paternal side. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
You finally get that last person that can say what happened | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
on the tree and you know exactly where everyone is | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
and you're confident that that's all correct, it's the best feeling, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
because you know, at the end of the day, you can all sit down | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
and you can have a chat | 0:42:58 | 0:42:59 | |
and you've actually really achieved something today. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 |