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Heir hunters track down the families of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
who have no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's show, the heir hunters struggle with misinformation. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:34 | |
So, it's not... Where the hell did he die? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
It's not just the team who are enjoying the hunt. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
It's like being part of a detective story. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
And an old case comes back to haunt head honcho Neil Fraser. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
It makes me quite angry that I've started something and I can't finish it. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
Plus, a list of unclaimed estates worth nearly £0.5 million. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:58 | |
Could you be related to anyone on it and have thousands of pounds heading your way? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Every year, over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
If no family is found, their money goes to the Government. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
That's when the heir-hunting companies step in. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
They race against each other to be the first to track down long-lost relatives entitled to inherit. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:27 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Nicky is the half-sister. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
In its 30-year history, it's grabbed from the Government over £100 million, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
giving it back to over 50,000 heirs. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
It's 7.00am on Thursday, and staff are already | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
starting to arrive at Fraser & Fraser's central London office. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
Thursday is the most crucial day for heir hunters, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
as its when the Government releases its weekly list of those who've died with no will. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
At the helm today is senior case manager David Pacifico. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
John H. Chambers? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
David has already chosen the estate they're going to pursue and is keen to get started on the research. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:17 | |
The case is called Chambers, John Henry Chambers. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
It's 59,000, he died in March '07. We can't confirm the date of birth. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
Fraser's might not have the birth date of John, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
otherwise known as John Henry Chambers, but they do know he died in central London. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
Using this information, they check the electoral roll and swiftly find his last address. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
John Henry Chambers lived in one of these flats, right in the heart of London. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
He worked as a fruit and veg trader and was buried in a pauper's grave in Finchley, north London. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:59 | |
He left nearly £60,000, but as he died with no will | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
and no known relatives, the heir hunters need to track down any long-lost family. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
Getting hold of the address is relatively simple, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
as there is only one John Henry Chambers who lived in central London in 2007. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
However, trawling through their vast database of national birth records, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
the heir hunters have found dozens of John H. Chambers who were born in or around London. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:38 | |
To find any heirs, they need to work out which one is their man. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
John is an exceptionally common name. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
John Henry's not a very rare combination of names. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Chambers is not a common name, but it's definitely not unique. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
So we're having trouble at the moment identifying the birth. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
Once we know his birth and we can look into the family and identify what family he's got, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
it's a question of knowing which is the right birth. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
The simplest way of moving forward is to get John Henry Chambers' death certificate. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
This will give the team his date of birth, and will help them start | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
to piece together his family tree, working out, generation by generation, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
who he is related to. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Death certificates are held in register offices close to where someone died. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
David Pacifico knows that John Chambers' last known address was in the London borough of Westminster, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:35 | |
but right on the border with neighbouring Camden. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
Not knowing where he died, he decides to take a punt on the death certificate | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
being held in the register office in Westminster. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
It's important to get someone there fast. Fortunately for David, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
there are a number of people he can call. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
Frasers employee a team of travelling heir hunters, who spend Thursdays poised for action... | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
ready to go wherever the hunt takes them. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
These travellers cover every corner of the country and aim to get to any heirs in record time, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:13 | |
and sign them up before the competition. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
The nearest travelling heir hunter to Westminster is London-based Ewart Lindsay. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
Hello, morning, Ewart. We've just got the one case out, called Chambers, John H. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
We need to pick up the death certificate. It looks like it's going to be a Westminster death. WC1. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
So, do you want to aim towards there, see if you can get the death? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
Speak to you later. Bye. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
The team want the death certificate because this document will give them John Henry Chambers' date of birth, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
a crucial piece of information for building his family tree. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Getting the birth is the most important thing. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
Having the birth, it's like a flower blooming, you know? | 0:06:03 | 0:06:11 | |
Um... It sprouts buds. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
We can find out where the parents were born, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
and if they had any brothers or sisters. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
It rolls on from there. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
But with Ewart wading through rush-hour traffic, and no date of birth for John Henry Chambers, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:35 | |
Frasers are going to have to wait some time for any blooming flowers. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
Boss Neil Fraser knows it's not going to be easy. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
People generally move around London, so although we're looking for a birth in the south-east, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
we're not necessarily looking for a central London birth. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
We've got everyone else picking up random things, seeing if we get that little bit of information, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
that one little hint, which may possibly give us an age, and may give us the right birth. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
At the moment, it's going to be a very slow start to the day. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
With only his address to go on, David Pacifico has found the phone number | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
of one of John Chambers' neighbours. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
If he knew him, and could tell them how old he was, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
or better still, his date of birth, it could break open the entire case. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
-We want an age. Doesn't have to be date of birth, but approximately how old he was. -Yeah, I know(!) | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
With the frustration of having no birth date beginning to show, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
the team are pinning their hopes on one of John Chambers' neighbours. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
They may turn around and say, "Yes, he was born on the 1st March, 1920. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:42 | |
"He shares the same birthday as my dog, my pet cat." | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
So they may know that. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
They more than likely will say, "He's about 80", which doesn't leave us in a much better position | 0:07:48 | 0:07:56 | |
than we are at the moment because we already think he's about 80 years old. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
Case manager Marcus Herbert makes the call. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
Would you know how old he was? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
About 80, you think? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
OK. Thanks a lot, bye-bye. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
I've just spoken to Mr Lopez, who was about the floor above, I think. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
He's known this guy to see about for that length of time. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
But he really doesn't know. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
As I said, 75, 80, which doesn't really help us very much, to be honest, with a name like that. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:34 | |
Ewart's not far from the register office. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
But in central London, that doesn't mean he will be there any time soon. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
We're in the heart of Leicester Square. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Jam packed with traffic. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
With Ewart and the investigation at a standstill, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
David Pacifico decides to get his researchers to look through their records | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
for any John Henry Chambers born between 1910 and 1960. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
There are a lot of names. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
With so many people to wade through, not everyone has faith in David's strategy. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
I know. But at the moment, would you agree...? | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
We're working three at the moment. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
I agree with you. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
One thing everyone does agree on is how hard it is when you can't even get off the starting block. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:38 | |
It's early yet, and already I'm exasperated. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
Neil feels sure it's not just Frasers who are at a standstill. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
If we're struggling, and we have more access to records, more records than anyone else in the world, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:52 | |
it means everyone else will be struggling as well. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
Two hours into their search and it seems Ewart still hasn't reached his destination - | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
Westminster Register Office. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Sick of waiting, Neil decides to take matters into his own hands. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
I've got one of my colleagues heading down there, Ewart, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
and I'm seeing if he's there. If he's not there, I'm going to get you to look up a death for us, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
which he will be in in five minutes to pick up. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
A few desks away, David's also fed up of waiting. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Ewart, where are you? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
The register office? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
He is there? I can leave him to do it in person, then. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Give me a call as soon as you've got it. If they can look it up, like, yesterday. Cheers, bye. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
-He's there? -Yes, he's walked into the register office now, so he's there. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
Within the next five or ten minutes, we should have that and then we can stop wasting a bit of time | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
and we can get rolling on this and hopefully start finding the correct family. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
Finally, Ewart's ringing with some news - but it's not at all what they've been waiting for. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
Hello? | 0:10:58 | 0:10:59 | |
Yes, Ewart. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
So that's not the right death? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
That's the only one in 2007? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
If it's not there, he's obviously not died at Westminster. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
So it's not... So, where the hell did he die? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Coming up, Neil employs a risky strategy. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
None of us are going to put our houses on it, and put money on it, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
but it's the best we've got, so we will work at it. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Heir hunters make it their job to track down missing relatives | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
but you, too, might hold the key to cracking some of the cases. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
Heldor Hermann died in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, in July 2004. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
He was 77 years old and left an estate worth £118,000. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
Did you know Heldor Hermann? | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Do you know a relative who could claim the cash? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Stanley Wilkinson died, aged 83, in Fulham, London, in December 2006, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
leaving £90,000, which is currently with the Treasury. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Are you related to Stanley? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Do you know someone who is? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Oskar Klaviers died in Birmingham in February 2007, aged 82. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
Oskar left £114,000 unclaimed. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Are you part of Oskar's family? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Are you entitled to his estate? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
If you have any information which could help solve any of these cases, take a look at our website... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
In central London, the heir-hunting team have been investigating the case of John Henry Chambers. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:05 | |
It's £59,000. He died in March '07. We cannot confirm the date of birth. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:11 | |
They were keen to get his death certificate and took a punt that it might be held | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
at Westminster Register Office, near to where he lived. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
But the gamble hasn't paid off. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Basically, there is no death in 2007, in Westminster, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
for plain John, or John Henry, or anything like that? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Now the team is back to square one. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
It's a massive blow for the heir hunters. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
The assumption that John Henry Chambers died in the borough where he lived was wrong. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
It should be registered somewhere. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
The question is, where? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
We all thought it would be Westminster, Marylebone... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
..but it may be Camden. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
Aware they have lost precious time, David Pacifico quickly calls the register office | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
of neighbouring Camden, just a stone's throw from where John Chambers lived. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
Yes, I'm trying to obtain a copy of a death certificate, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
which we don't know if it's registered at Camden or not. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
I'm asking a question about whether or not you've got it registered in your office. I'm not asking... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
It would be you? I'll get my colleague to come down to the office. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
Thank you very much. Bye. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Bob, can you go down Camden, please? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Camden Register Office? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Bob Smith is one of Fraser's travelling researchers. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
He's been doing the job for 23 years, but this is his first mission today. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
See you later, everyone. Bye-bye. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Camden Register Office? OK? Lovely. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
David Pacifico is feeling the pressure of wasted time. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
Somebody's on their way now to Camden. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
-< -Stressful morning? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Yes, it's just frustrating. Frustrating, but... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
Bob knows that this kind of mix-up is common in London, where each borough has its own register office. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:14 | |
This can happen quite a bit. We establish where someone lives in London, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
but they may well have died someone else, perhaps in a hospital, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
therefore the death certificate would be held at a different office. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
While Bob hopes his taxi will pick up some speed, Ewart makes his way to John Chambers' flat. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
His task is to find a neighbour who might be able to give the team some useful in formation. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
But in the capital city, it might not be that easy. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
People are not how they used to be, not as friendly. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Nobody knows their neighbours these days. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
And that's not the only problem with heir hunting in London. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
With the meter ticking, it doesn't look like Bob's going anywhere fast. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Looks like there's a lot of traffic on the roads today. Road closures, etc. It may take us a little while. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:05 | |
Will Ewart have any more luck with John Chambers' former neighbours? | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
As you can see, there's quite a few numbers for 1 to 61. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
And nobody's answering. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
It's now 10 o'clock and Bob has finally arrived at Camden Register Office. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
Thanks a lot. We'll be back in a minute. Cheers. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Within minutes, he's got what the team have been waiting for all morning. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
John Chambers' death certificate states that he died at a hospital in Camden. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
That's why his death was registered here and not in Westminster. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
But there's no time for regrets. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:44 | |
Will the certificate give them the breakthrough they need? | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
OK, he dies on 29th March 2007... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Born on 28th August 1926, but it doesn't give a place of birth. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:59 | |
So, they finally got John Chambers' date of birth. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Back at base, they spring into action to find their man. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
But the good vibrations soon peter out. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Unbelievably, out of the hundreds of John H Chambers in their records, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
there isn't one who was born on that date. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
It's a huge disappointment for the team, but then Neil comes up with a left-field idea. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
I think it's going to be this one. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Knowing that some people go by their middle names, he decides to switch the first two names around. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
And we have a Henry JF, born in Holborn, in the right quarter. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
Flipping the names is the second massive gamble of the day. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
But just because they've found a Henry J with the right birth date doesn't mean he's the right person. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
It's 50-50, I think, at best. Although we've got everyone working on it, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
we've got everyone working on it cos we've got nothing better to work. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
They quickly start researching Henry John Chambers, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
and it doesn't take long for them to come up with the names of his parents. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
Neil's still uncertain about whether it's the right family. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
None of us are going to put our houses on it, and put money on it, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
but it's the best we've got, so we'll work at it, really. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
Coming up... | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
the hunt for the Chambers family takes the team unexpectedly far afield. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
-I'd like you to go to Southampton. -Southampton? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
Yeah, sorry about that. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
People change their names for different reasons and, when they do, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
it makes the heir hunters' job even harder. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Nine years ago, Fraser & Fraser were faced with another case when names and records did not match up. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:56 | |
It was the case of a Neta Axen, sometimes known as Nettie, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
who died aged 95 in East London, leaving an estate worth £25,000. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
Initially put us in a real problem area. The death certificate said she was born in 1904. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
It says she was born in London. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
It says she's a married lady, married to a Mr Axen. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
It doesn't give his Christian names at all. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
We couldn't, however, find the marriage, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
cos we didn't know who to cross-check that back against. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
We didn't have any Christian names for the husband, to work it through that way, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
and we couldn't find her birth certificate because we didn't have her maiden name | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
to look for a birth certificate, so huge problems from the start. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
As Neta had spent the last few years of her life in a Jewish care home in Hackney, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
Neil assumed she'd been part of the strong East End Jewish community. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
He made some inquiries and got his first break. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
We were able to identify the name of the husband, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:57 | |
and that was Isodore Axen. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
And from having Isodore, we were able to search back and find her marriage. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
This was to the surname of Shadatsky. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
This was a major breakthrough for the team. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
But it only gave them the first piece of their jigsaw. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
We then thought we had her maiden name, it sounded very Russian, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
or at least eastern European. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
It tied up with the age, but it didn't lead us to any birth certificates. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
The Benefits Agency believes that she was born in London. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
The hospital and her doctors' registers all said she was born in London. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
But, despite all that, Frasers couldn't find any record of a Neta Shadatsky born in London. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
The team hit a standstill. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
But then Neil had an idea. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
He knew from the marriage certificate that Isodore and Neta | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
had married at the Great Synagogue on Commercial Road. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
And from this, he managed to track down a copy of the couple's Jewish marriage certificate. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:01 | |
The Jewish register, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
the Jewish certificate, gives slightly more information than the English certificate. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
That told us that Nettie was born in Russia. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
So all the information we had confirmed, all up to date through every inquiry, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
that she was born in London proved false. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
The fact that Nettie had moved to England from Russia, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
probably when she was just a child, change the direction of Neil's hunt. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
And looking at the history of the region can explain the reason | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
behind the immigration of hundreds of families like Nettie's. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
At the turn of the century in Russia, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
the Jewish population was under | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
increasing pressure from anti-Semitism, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
which then led to violent outbursts called pogroms, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:52 | |
when they were attacked and the areas where they lived were burned. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Nettie was one of about 150,000 Jews who came to London from Russia to escape the pogroms. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:02 | |
The reason people came was because they thought, in England, they weren't directly persecuted. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
There were not laws targeting Jews in particular, telling them | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
what they couldn't do and where they couldn't live. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
Ironically, even though the Jews left Russia to escape persecution, they still faced it across Europe. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
In fact, in the 1930s, when Nettie would have been in her mid-twenties, and living in London, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
politician Oswald Mosley set up the British Union of Fascists, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
nicknamed the Blackshirts, and they organised provocative marches through Nettie's area. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
We're often told that Hitler is mad. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Well, I've got another view, myself. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
Bill Fischmann lived in the East End near Nettie. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
He remembers Mosley's marches. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Then, of course, you've got this megaphone, telling us, "All of you, get to Cable Street! | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
"The fascists are marching to the south, near the river." | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
And we went through a side turning, and the police were marching and we came into a barricade. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:14 | |
But what I shall never forget about that | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
was to see bearded Jews next to Irish dockers, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
building barricades, and there, they were stopped. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
And that was the famous battle of Cable Street. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
Neil's discovery that Nettie's name and birth information | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
varied on different records was not an uncommon occurrence. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
People living year will have changed their names to fit in, or because it's easier, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
because people cannot say or spell a complicated Russian name. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
You might not have anglicised it on arrival, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
but if you found it easier, possibly, to get ahead with a more anglicised name. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
On Nettie's Jewish marriage certificate, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
Neil found evidence that Nettie had a brother called Phillip. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
Knowing more about her history, he now tried to track Phillip down, using different name combinations. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:09 | |
We found his birth. We then couldn't find his death very easily | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
until we had played a round again with the surname of Shadatsky | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
and found that he had actually died under the surname of Shade. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
It was a huge problem. We got so many variations on it. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
This was a lucky break, but once again, it led to a stalemate. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
Unfortunately, he was never married, he was a bachelor | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
and, although we've made break after break after break, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:37 | |
and we've jumped several steps along the way, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
and we've made very good progress in our research, we've hit another brick wall. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
With no children born to Nettie's brother, Phillip, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
the team have no more leads to chase. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
But Neil still believes that some living relatives do exist. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
Yes, I think there are beneficiaries. Where are they? | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
My feeling is, probably, they'll be in Russia. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I don't know that, though. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
So it looks as if Neta Axen's estate might be staying with the Government. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
Much to Neil Fraser's disappointment. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
I basically have to draw a line, I have to say, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
"Neil, this is one which got away." | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
It doesn't make me happy, it makes me quite angry | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
that I've started something and I can't finish it. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
If you can shed any light on the life of Nettie, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
or can prove that you are related to her, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
then you could be entitled to her £25,000 estate. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Take a look at our website at bbc.co.uk/heirhunters | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
for details on what to do next. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Today the team at Fraser & Fraser have been trying to find heirs | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
to the £60,000 estate of a John Henry Chambers. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
This morning the team struggled to find a birth record for John Henry Chambers | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
that matched the birth date on his death certificate. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
Then Neil had a radical idea. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
He swapped John Henry's names around and bingo! | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
He found a record of a Henry J Chambers with the right birthday. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
But is this just a coincidence? | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
Or is Henry J the same person as the John Henry who died? | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
It's 11 o'clock and the office team are fact-finding for Henry J Chambers. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
They discover that he had a father who died in 1973, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
whose death certificate is held in Hendon Register Office. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
With nothing else to go on, Neil decides they need this certificate. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
It may contain some crucial information to prove that Henry J is the same person as John Henry. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:51 | |
The third travelling heir hunter of the day is called up for action. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Hello, Bob Barratt. | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
'Hello, Bob, it's Marcus.' | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
Hello, Marcus. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
-'Hello mate, can you go to Hendon?' -Hendon? | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
-'Yeah.' -Right. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
-Yeah, no problem, cheers. -'All right, mate, bye.' | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
Ex-policeman, Bob Barratt, has been poised for action all morning. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Right, 14 miles away but I think that's as the crow flies. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
With Bob on his way to Hendon, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
the office now have the opportunity to advance the case. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Neil studies the names he's added to the family tree | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
and notices something unusual about them. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Most people either have no middle name or one middle name. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
It's less likely to have two middle names. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Is this a clue which will help the team crack the case? | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
Neil decides to act on his instinct. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Now what I've done is search under the surname of Chambers | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
in the registration district of London City, which is where the father's born. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
I'm looking for other children who have three initials - | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
two middle names. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
We've found in the past that when you have one person with lots of names | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
then you also can have some of their siblings. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
Neil's new search strategy has given the team four possible | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
aunts and uncles to Henry John Frederick Chambers. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
All with two middle names. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
These are potential siblings or uncles of the deceased. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
Erm, we're going for them mainly because they've got three names. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
Four hours into the case and the team might be getting somewhere. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Neil looks up his three initialled names in the electoral roll | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
and finds the address of Frank George Edwin Chambers in Southampton. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
Unfortunately he's died, but Neil quickly realises he's just stumbled across another clue. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:44 | |
I think I've got family living next door to that, Lillian. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
There's a person called Chambers living next door. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
Could he be another member of the same family? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
He only moved into the street in 2003, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
which is two years before his father died | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
and his father used to live next door to him. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
This could be the team's first heir, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
but he very nearly slipped through the net. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Because I was doing different searches at the time, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
I sort of slipped that there was someone with the same surname living next door! | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
I'd sort of scrolled past cos he'd only moved into the house in 2003 | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
and he's possibly going to be at work - I'd skipped past his neighbour | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
who's an older lady who would know more about the families. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
Obviously ignoring the fact that he possibly could have been a relative | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
which he is... | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
He may be a relative, but he isn't in. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
Hello Mr Chambers, my name's Neil Fraser, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
I'm a specialist genealogist and a probate researcher, phoning from central London... | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
Neil leaves a message. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
..And if you ask to speak to Neil Fraser or David Pacifico, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
we'll be able to tell you what it's all about. Thank you very much. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
We're not convinced we have the right birth. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
If we have we've been lucky and we can put that down to experience, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:08 | |
if we haven't, it's one of those things. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Coming up, Marcus thinks they're on the home straight. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
-Can we just do this? -Yep. -Cos I think it's right. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
Every year, there are over 3,000 unclaimed estates added to the Government's list | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
and you might be able to help the heir hunters solve one of them. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Jacqueline Owen died in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
in June 2004, aged 51. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:39 | |
She left nearly £17,000. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
Did you know Jacqueline? Are you one of her relatives? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Mark Green died in February 2007 in the Wirral, Merseyside. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
Mark was 80 and left an estate worth £23,000. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
Are you entitled to Mark's money? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Should you get his cash? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
William Kerridge died in Canterbury, Kent in March 2005, aged 96. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
He left a personal fortune of £60,000. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
Are you part of William's family? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
Do you know someone who is? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
If you have any information regarding any of these unclaimed estates, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
then take a look at our website - | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
On the Henry Chambers case, Frasers' travelling heir hunter, Bob Barratt, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
has finally arrived at Hendon register office to pick up | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
what could be Henry's father's death certificate. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
Could this be the confirmation they need | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
that they are working the right case? | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Hi, Marcus, right, I've got a certificate for Henry Arthur Charles Chambers. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
Bob gives Marcus the vital information from the certificate. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Died 22 October 1973, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
born 22 January 1904. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
And his address was 35 Sandringham Flats... | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
-'Yep?' -And the informant, John Henry Chambers, son. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
-Of the same address. -'Lovely!' | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
It's great news for the team. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
The certificate contains even more information than they hoped for. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
The fact the person on the death certificate had the very same address as the deceased | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
makes it even more certain that they're on to the right family. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
Right, we've got the death of the father from Hendon. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
-It was Henry Arthur Charles Chambers. -Yep? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
-Died, 22 October, 1973. -Yep. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
-Of 35 Sandringham Flats, Charing Cross Road. -Right. | 0:32:54 | 0:33:00 | |
-It's right. -We've got the right birth of the deceased. It's good. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
Right, are you gonna tell them downstairs or shall I go down now? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
I'll go. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
It's fantastic news. But Neil knows it's too early to celebrate. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
What we don't know still is if we've identified | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
the correct siblings of the father of the deceased. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
I'm a lot happier now we have the right family. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
Now they have Henry Chambers' father's date of birth, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
they can trace his parents - William Chambers and Florence Robinson. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
From them, they work out his siblings, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
this time without relying on guesswork. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Although the three name clue was right, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
it only uncovered four brothers and sisters. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
In fact, there was another sibling - Doris Chambers. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
But because she didn't follow the pattern of having two middle names, they hadn't found her. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
And just as they're piecing the family tree together, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
the cousin that Neil called earlier finally rings backs. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Hello, Mr Chambers? Hello, it's Neil Fraser. Thank you for calling back. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
I think I may have got a message from your neighbour as well as I left a message on your answerphone! | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
Having a family member on the phone is a golden opportunity for Neil to double-check their research. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:14 | |
We have Bertie, Dolly, Reggie and... | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
..Artie. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:23 | |
Roger confirms all of his aunts and uncles and the fact that they were known by their second names. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
It seems turning the names around was an inspired guess on Neil's part. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:34 | |
But Roger's wondering who in his family has died. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
OK, who do you think's possible? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
Right, OK. Yes, you are correct. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
If we're dealing with the same John, yes, we're more than likely... | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
Unusually, Neil's revealed who's died. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
Now he needs some more information from Roger. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
There's Bertie who was married to Alice O'Connell, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
I think they had just one daughter, Patricia. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:03 | |
Um, I'm yet to track down Patricia, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
I know she was born in '49. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Not entirely sure where she is at the moment. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
Oh, cos I know her father, Bertie, died in Elstree... | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
It's a great result for Frasers. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
The call has led them to a second heir - | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
another cousin of Henry John Chambers, called Patricia. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
Roger's proved invaluable to the research | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
but the important thing for Frasers is to sign him up | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
so they can help him submit his claim for his share of the estate. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
OK, OK, well, it'll be my colleague, Bob Barratt, if we put down 5pm. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:43 | |
No problem and nice talking to you, sir. Hopefully Bob will be able to see you about 5pm today. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
At last, Frasers are in a position to send their travellers out to see heirs | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
and, crucially, get their commission. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
Bob Barratt's ready for the command. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Hi Bob, listen, we've got an appointment for you, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
-I'd like you to go to Southampton! -Southampton? | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Yeah, I'm sorry about that! | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
We've got a cousin that Neil spoke to and has arranged about 5pm | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
or however long it takes you to get there - he's in there now. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
-Speak to you later, Dave. -Thanks, Bob, bye. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
While Bob refuels for his 80-mile journey to Southampton, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Neil's feeling rather pleased with himself. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
We took three or four very big, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
wild stabs in the dark, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
and relied on a bit of experience, a bit of luck, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
and that's come through so it's possible that we're quite a bit ahead of other people. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
It's possible that they're waiting for certificates and stuff to come back, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
whereas we've now got onto it so it's fine. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
Travelling heir hunter, Ewart, is also on the case. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
He's being asked to head over to North London to see Henry John Chambers' other cousin, Patricia. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
So after nine hours of gambling and guesswork, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
the case is finally coming together. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
And it seems now they're definitely on a winning streak. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
They've discovered that the missing sibling, Doris, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
that they added to the tree earlier, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
had two children, Andrew and Jennifer. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
That's two more of Henry's cousins and two more heirs. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
David Pacifico calls Jennifer. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
What's happened her is that a person related to your late mother has recently died | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
and this is the reason why we're trying to track down the Chambers family. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
One of my colleagues is meeting with Roger probably as we speak, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
who, as you know, lives down Southampton way. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Because I thought, you know, if you were going out a little later, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
one of my colleagues who's there now could meet with you in half an hour. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
But if that's not convenient, obviously... | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Well, 11th is next Tuesday if you do want to pop in to see us or... | 0:37:47 | 0:37:53 | |
Thank you very much indeed. Thank you, bye-bye. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
Doesn't want to be seen just now, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
but she's coming up next Tuesday and wants to come in and see us. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
I know! | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
They'll have to wait to see Jennifer, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
but Bob Barratt's about to meet the first heir, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Henry John's cousin, Roger. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
To make all their work worthwhile, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
it's crucial he comes away with a signature. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
And Ewart's just arrived at Patricia's house. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -Hi. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
I wasn't sure which door to actually...! | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
-You've come through the back door but that's all right! -Oh! | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Frasers have called ahead, so she's aware that her cousin, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
Henry John Chambers, has died. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
The first thing that Ewart has to do | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
is confirm that Patricia is from the right family. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
Right so... Aunts and uncles. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Erm, obviously coming down through your father's side, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
that's the blood line we're doing. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
-Can I just go and get the Bible? -Yeah. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
-The names we called them by weren't the names that they were christened. -Right. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
Lots of families keep books that contain all the crucial information about their history. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
It gets passed through generations, and Patricia is the current holder of the Chambers' family Bible. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
She knows that Henry John's father also went by his middle name. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
Yes, he was, actually. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
He wasn't Arthur. His actual name was Henry. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
-Henry Arthur? -Henry Arthur. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
-Was he married? -Yes. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:22 | |
Married to...? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
He was married to Nellie. Nellie...Nellie...Nellie... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
-And her maiden name was Cook. -Had one son? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
-Yes. -What was his name? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-Johnnie. -What do you know about Johnnie? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Johnnie Chambers was born on the 28th of August in 1926. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
-He was actually nearer my mum's age... -Yes. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
..so when... | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
when my mum died, he came to visit us and just arrived down the bottom of the garden. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
-I hadn't seen him since I was a little girl. -In 2001? | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
-Yes, that's when I last saw him. -That's when you last saw him. -Hmm. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
Confident they've tracked down the right heir, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Ewart now needs Patricia to sign up with Frasers, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
so they can put forward her claim to her cousin's £60,000 estate. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Nice to meet you. Bye-bye. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
In Southampton, there's no joy for Bob Barratt. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
After all this hard work, he hasn't come away with a signature. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
I've left an agreement with him, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
I've completed a family questionnaire, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
and hopefully Mr Chambers will ask us to make the claim on his behalf. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
Has Ewart had more luck with Patricia? | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
-Thank you very much. -You're very welcome. Cheerio. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
-Take care. -OK, thanks a lot. Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Seemed very happy. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
She signed, so it's one-up for me. Fantastic. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
Job well done for me, I should say. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
I'm off home now. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
It's pouring with rain and I just can't wait to get home. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
But for Patricia, it's not about the money. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
An unusual thing to happen. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
You read about things like this happening | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
and, I think, the whole process of tracking people down | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
is incredibly exciting. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
I found that - how people actually traced me - | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
was something that, um, was like being part of a detective story. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
Pleased with how the day's panned out, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
there's just one task left for David Pacifico - | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
to print out the completed family tree. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
PRINTER DRAWER RATTLES | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
But nothing's simple. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
At least someone can see the funny side. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
But things didn't get any easier for David. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
Within a week, Roger Chambers decided not to use Frasers to help him submit his claim. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
Patricia, who'd already signed, changed her mind, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
but there was one piece of good news. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
Their cousin Jennifer came into the office. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
Any other questions at all you want to ask me? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
When she saw the evidence of the team's hard work, she agreed to sign. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
I'm quite happy and, as I say, I'm very impressed with the brochure. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
-OK, David. Nice to meet you. -Thank you very much. -Thanks a lot. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
It was particularly nice because we didn't have anything, really, to go on at the beginning, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
and his birth wasn't under the name which we thought it was, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
so it took a short while to get going. Once we did, we found the family. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:46 | |
It's very nice that we can actually now confirm | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
that the family are entitled, and will benefit, to his estate. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
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