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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
the families of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's show, things aren't going smoothly for the heir hunters. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:34 | |
You know, Whitehaven ain't that far away, is it? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
It's just a joke this. It's a joke. Somebody's having a laugh. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:42 | |
And an unexpected inheritance | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
propels one pensioner on a trip of a lifetime. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
Plus a list of unclaimed estates worth nearly half a million pounds. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
Are you related to anyone on it? | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Every year, over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
If no family is found, their money goes to the government. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
That's when the heir hunting companies step in. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
They race against each other to be the first | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
to track down any long-lost relatives entitled to inherit. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Fraser & Fraser is the largest firm of heir hunters in the country. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
Nicky is the half sister. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
In its 30-year history, the company has tracked down | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
over 50,000 heirs, entitled to a whopping sum of over £100 million. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
It's 7am, Thursday, in Fraser & Fraser's central London office. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
Thursday is always a crucial day for the heir hunters, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
as it's when the government releases its weekly list | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
of those who've died with no known heirs. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Where's my toast I ordered? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
Holding the reins today is senior case manager David Milchard, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
known to his workmates as Grimble. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Hello. Fraser & Fraser. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
But not known for his technological skills. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Grimble has already chosen the estate they're going to pursue today | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
and has got the ball rolling on the research. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
This guy called Joseph Hilliard... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
Looks like he lived in a small mining town up in Sunderland. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:38 | |
Looks like the only case this morning that's worth looking at. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
The reason Frasers are interested in Joseph Hilliard | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
is because they found out he owned | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
this mining cottage in Sunderland, which could be worth some money. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
If he bought the property 20 years ago, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
the values there would probably be around about 60,000, so... | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
Joseph Hilliard ended his days alone in a residential care home. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
He died without leaving a will, and nobody knew if he had any family. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
If Frasers can track down any relatives, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
then these people will be entitled to Joseph Hilliard's £60,000. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
With rival companies hot on their heals, Grimble needs to act fast. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
He's got a hunch that if Joseph Hilliard does have | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
any living relatives, they will most likely live near to where he died - | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
in Sunderland. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
We tend to find, particularly up in the northeast, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
they tend to stay, they're pretty static there, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
so it's more likely that he's a local lad. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
I don't think he's come from Birmingham or something like that. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
Sunderland is 300 miles away | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
from the Frasers' office in London, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
but fortunately for heir hunters, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
distance is no problem. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Frasers employs a team of travelling heir hunters, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
who spend their Thursdays poised for action. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Thanks a lot, mate. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Ready to go wherever the hunt takes them. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
These travellers cover every corner of the country | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
and aim to get to any heirs in record time and sign them up | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
before the competition. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
The nearest travelling heir hunter to Sunderland | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
is Manchester-based Dave Mansell. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
Ahhhh, life's hard, ain't it? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Don't get too comfy, Dave. Life's just about to get harder. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Aye. All right, I'm just gonna get Dave Mansell on the road, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
get him out of bed. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
He needs to get northeast as soon as possible | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
to make sure he reaches any heirs before rival heir hunters. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
He ain't too happy. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
It is a bit of a jaunt really, from Manchester to Sunderland. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
And big boss Neil Fraser makes an executive decision. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Um, let's get another guy going up there. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
It's...um...Ewart or Smith. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
You what? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:13 | |
Because there's only one estate worth following today, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
senior researcher Ewart Lindsay is also enlisted. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
Hello, mate. Can you start heading towards Sunderland? | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Sunderland?! Oh dear... Oh, right, OK. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Yes, you know, that little place slightly north of London. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
I'll probably arrive half twelve. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
It'll take me four or five hours, yeah. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
Yeah. OK. All right. Speak to you later. OK. Bye. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
Ah... I've just got a long drive ahead. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
A LONG drive ahead. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
So it's a good night... | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
It's a good thing I had a good night's sleep last night. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
Ewart's going to have to travel the length of the country. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
It's an unusual decision to send a travelling heir hunter so far. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
Do you still wanna send two up there? | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
And minutes after making the call, Grimble thinks they've made a mistake. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
OK. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Whilst Ewart and Dave speed towards Sunderland, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
the office team press ahead with the research. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
To have any chance of finding the heirs, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
they need to build a family tree, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
working out generation by generation who is related to Joseph Hilliard. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
-Do you want to give Simon and Debbie a hand? -Yeah. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
But first off, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
they need to work out which Joseph Hilliard they are dealing with. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Joseph Hilliard isn't a unique name, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
and the team don't yet know their Joseph Hilliard's birth date | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
or the place where he was born. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
-Got rid of one. -Only, he must have several. -Yeah. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
So far, the team have found two Joseph Hilliards | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
in the north of England alone - | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
one in Lanchester on the northeast coast | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
and one in Whitehaven on the other side of the country. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
The first rule of heir hunting | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
is that people usually die near to where they were born, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
so the team take an educated guess | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
and decide to follow up the Joseph Hilliard from Lanchester. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Senior researcher Gareth Langford sets to the detective work, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
trying to piece together Joseph Hilliard's family history. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
It is very speculative at the moment. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
We've... There's a birth in...1922 in Lanchester | 0:07:38 | 0:07:44 | |
that we're gonna look at... and hopefully, it's the right one. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
But at this stage, we can't really tell. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Until we've got an actual date or a certificate, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
we've got to follow up everything that we think might be right. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
It's just too risky. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Gareth begins the family tree, but Grimble isn't totally convinced. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
I'd put that in pencil myself. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Yeah, but I'd have to re-write the entire thing anyway. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
The only way of getting any concrete information | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
is to look at Joseph Hilliard's death certificate, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
held at Sunderland register office. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
This will show his date of birth | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
and confirm whether they are following up | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
the right Joseph Hilliard. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
Collecting the certificate would normally be the first job | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
for the travelling heir hunter when they arrive in Sunderland. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
With the clock ticking and travellers Dave and Ewart still miles away, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Grimble decides to ask a favour from a contact up north. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Skip doing the enquiry for now. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Can you go ahead straight to Sunderland registry, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
to get them to see his death cert? | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Because we're having difficulty proving his date and place of birth. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
It will still take a good hour to get the certificate. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
OK, then. All right, cheers. Bye. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Frasers won't be the only company | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
trying to find heirs to the Hilliard estate, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
so the team can't afford to sit and wait. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Fraser & Fraser have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
on data about the British public, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
ranging from libraries of old phone directories to reels of microfilm | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
listing birth, death and marriage records. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Gareth searches through these | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
to find the name of the Lanchester Joseph Hilliard's mother, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
and once he has this, he looks to see if she had any other children. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
We've got a brother and a sister. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
We've just found the death of the brother, who died in infancy, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
and we're now looking for Mary W, so... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Further research shows that this sister is no longer alive. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
But all is not lost. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
Gareth thinks he's found someone who could prove just as exciting. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
We found the sister of the deceased, Joseph, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
and she married to a Bartholemew O'Flaherty in 1956. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
They had one daughter, who was born in 1957, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
and they still live in the same area, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
so once we had the names, it wasn't difficult at all. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
The family tree of the Lanchester Joseph Hilliard | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
now includes a brother and sister, both deceased, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
and Gareth thinks he's found his first heir - | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
the daughter of Joseph Hilliard's late sister. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
I quite like it. I think it's right. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
So...we have to wait and see. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Coming up, a change of direction in the office... | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
All the work we've done this morning is no good. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
..sends Ewart on a wild goose chase. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
You're gonna love this one. I've been diverted. Back to London. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
And Dave battles with the elements... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
..and Grimble. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
No, no. Don't split hairs, Dave. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Heir hunters are genealogical private detectives, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
but they can't solve every case. Maybe you could help. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
Kenneth McDonald died aged 71 | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
in Wandsworth, London. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
Kenneth died in June 1996, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
leaving £55,000. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Are you related to Kenneth? | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Should his money go to you? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
William Forde died in Arandale, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
West Sussex, aged 83. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
William passed away in July 2007 | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
with no known relatives, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
leaving a sum of £25,000. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
Do you know William Forde? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Should you get his money | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
rather than the government? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Beryl Joan Hudson died | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
in Colchester, Essex, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
in July 2006, aged 86. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Beryl left an estate worth £18,000. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
Are you part of Beryl's family? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Do you know someone who is? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
If you think you might be related to any of these people | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
and entitled to their money, then please look at our website at... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
..for details on what to do next. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
At Fraser & Fraser, the heir hunters are looking for relatives of a Joseph Hilliard, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
who died in Sunderland, leaving an estate worth around £60,000. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
There are two travelling heir hunters on today's case - | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Dave, who is racing up from Manchester, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and Ewart, who is on a 300-mile drive from London. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
Unable to confirm Joseph's birth date | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
and working on the basis that people tend to die | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
near to where they were born, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Frasers' researchers have drawn up a family tree | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
for a Lanchester-born Joseph Hilliard. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
They now look like they've got their first heir - a niece. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
What we've now got to do | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
is try to get a contact telephone number for the niece. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
We'll also get somebody heading towards her house. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
Grimble gets on the phone to traveller Dave. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
We think we've found the right family. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
We've got a possible niece of the deceased, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
living in Consett. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
In Consett, right. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
'Yeah. Hoping it's all right.' | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
Ron Wright's going to get the death to prove we're on the right family. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
-'OK?' -Yeah. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
'So if you head to Consett, hopefully by then,' | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
it'll prove to be correct and I'll give you the full details. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
-All right. -'Thanks, bye.' -Cheers. Bye. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
Nice place, Consett, I have been before. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
With only one heir to sign up, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
one traveller seems like more than enough, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
but Ewart's two hours into his journey. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Turn around?! | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
If we're right, we think we've found...a niece of the deceased. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
-Oh, right. -Yeah, where are you now anyway? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
-Just gone through Leicester. -Righto, you're too far away. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
Might as well come back. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
All right, so I'll head back and see... OK, all right, then. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
OK. Bye. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
Cor, dear. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
After all that! | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
We've got to turn around. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
So there's nothing for me to do. Just turn back round. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
I was looking forward to my trip in Sunderland(!) | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Cor... | 0:14:27 | 0:14:28 | |
EWART LAUGHS | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
With Ewart on his way back to London | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
and Dave heading towards Consett, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
things area all working out nicely for Dave. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
But then, Grimble gets a phone call from his contact in Sunderland. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
Hello, Ron. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
He's got Joseph Hilliard's death certificate. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
As long as it confirms that he was born in 1922, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
the team know that the Lanchester Joseph Hilliard is the right one. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
18th of June... | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
..1931. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
Right, Ron Wright's got the death of the deceased and unfortunately, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
it's indicated that the birth for the Joseph Hilliard in 1922 is wrong, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
because according to the death, he's born in 1931. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
Gareth's Lanchester-born Joseph Hilliard was a red herring, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
and the family tree they've drawn up is all wrong. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
All the work we've done this morning is no good. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
It's completely wrong family. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
The niece - what we thought was the niece - | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
she's not part of the family at all, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
so it's all back to the drawing board, really. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Coming up, will the team be able to make up for lost time? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
-Right, I'm on the wrong side of the country. -'Yeah, I know.' | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Or will they be beaten to the heirs by the competition? | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
-30 seconds ago, you've told me that the... -BLEEP -..family you've worked is wrong. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
60 miles south of London in the sleepy town of Burgess Hill | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
is the epicentre of a very different heir hunting organisation. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
Oh, oh, yes, I know, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
about ringing West Yorkshire to find out | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
where the Newby Hall archives have gone to. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
I'll do that. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
-Today? -Yes. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Husband and wife Charles and Mary Teviot | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
run two his and hers probate research companies from their family home. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
Right, I think I'll make a note of that. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
We share things. We share the microfiche readers, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
we share the computers, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
sometimes we get cross with each other and sometimes we don't. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
I've just found it hard to get hold of the Irish telephone number. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Go onto Google | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
and put in Irish telephone directories or Irish post offices. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
Far from hi-tech, the Teviots work from two converted bedrooms | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
with a wardrobe doubling up as a national records archive. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
This cupboard actually had a bed in it, which came down. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
So we got rid of the bed. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
There were two bedrooms here and bits were added on, we've got two offices. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Which is pretty handy. And so we work away here, and it's really quite nice | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
just to get up in the morning | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
-and come straight downstairs. -Indeed. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
And not have to get on a train or a bus or go anywhere. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
And they're not your average Joe Public. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
In fact, Charles and Mary are a lord and a lady, although they don't stand on ceremony. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
I suppose if you're not cor blimey, it might help a little bit, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
but then very often, one wouldn't say one was Lord or Lady Teviot. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
They got their title through Charles's father, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
seen here with none other than Winston Churchill. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
He'd served in Neville Chamberlain's government in the 1930s | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
and was made a hereditary peer in 1940. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Didn't inherit a lot of money at all, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
but I suppose, you know, a seat in the House of Lords | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and one thing and another sort of rather led from that, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
and one went on. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
Charles and Mary share an interest in genealogy | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
and for the past 30 years have been making a living from heir hunting. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
I think it's kind of like a form of detective work without having any hassle with criminals. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
Whether it's because we're both only children | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
and we're interested in other people's families, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
-and I think that other people's lives are very interesting, aren't they? -Well, they are. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
I mean, they can be boring, but basically, they're interesting. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
One of the couple's recent success stories was the hunt for an heir | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
to the £15,000 unclaimed estate of a Raymond Edwards. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
Raymond was 80 when he died in 1999. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
He left no will and no known relatives. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
His name had been on the government's list of unclaimed estates for nine years | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
and had been ignored by heir hunting companies like Frasers because the value was too low. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
But it was a perfect case for the Teviots. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
My policy is to do old cases | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
of...you know, fairly low value so, hopefully, we don't get competition. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:07 | |
Charles set to work finding out all he could about Raymond Edwards. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
He was born in 1922, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
and one went back to 1920 | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
and found the parents getting married so that was all right, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and then one looked to see if he had any other brothers and sisters. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Charles then discovered that Raymond had had a sister seven years his junior. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
One found, in 1929, Irene Elizabeth Rosetta. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:37 | |
But there was a problem. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
Irene Edwards was recorded in the electoral rolls up until 1960, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
but then mysteriously disappeared. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
So I mean, she more or less what you might call vanished into thin air, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
as one thought, but one had to find her. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
Where had this sister gone? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
And if she was alive, why didn't she know that her brother had died? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
To find out what had happened to Irene, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Charles looked through marriage and death records. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
You've got to marry that person off or kill them off. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
Anyway, as far as Irene, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
we didn't marry her off and we didn't kill her off, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
but we couldn't proceed any further until we found her, so to speak. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Convinced that Irene Edwards must still be alive, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Charles was at a loss as to how to proceed, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
but he then came across another method for tracking down missing people. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
There's this new service called Traceline, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
and so one paid a sum of money and fills in the form. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
A letter written by Charles was sent via Traceline | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
to a person he hoped would be Raymond's long lost sister. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
It found its way to a residential home in Lincolnshire, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
where 79-year-old Irene lives. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
Well, I was intrigued because I have three Christian names, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
and I couldn't think of anyone who would know all three Christian names. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
So out of sheer interest, I thought, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
I must find out where this letter is from. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
When Irene replied, Charles knew he'd found his heir. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
He now had to break the unhappy news | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
that her only brother had died a whole nine years ago. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
As each year his birthday came round, I used to think, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
I wonder what's happening to him, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
I wonder if he's all right, and I thought eventually, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
that some time or other, he would...he would die. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
But, of course, you sort of think | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
that somehow or other, people will find out and will let you know, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
so...it was a shock to know that he'd died so long ago. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Irene and Raymond had a happy childhood, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
living with their parents in this house in Mitcham, Surrey. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
We did used to play indoor games like cards, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
we used to play cards and "I spy..." I would always got my nose | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
in a book, and he'd always be making something somewhere. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
He was a lot more serious, I think, on his outlook on life than I was. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
I was the joker. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Awful little type I was. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
IRENE LAUGHS | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Always turning everything into a joke. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
But no, he wasn't like that at all. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
In 1958, Raymond got married, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
and this pushed the siblings further apart. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
We didn't really get on terribly well with his wife, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
we just didn't... didn't sort of connect at all. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
He never came round to see us, and we never went round to see them, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
so it just sort of...after that... | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
then I moved away, we just lost touch completely. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
It's the sort of thing that often happened in those days. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
People moved away, you moved to a different area. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
You didn't have a telephone or anything, so... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
The last time Irene saw her brother was forty years ago | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
at their father's funeral. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
Even then we didn't sort of rush up to each other and hug each other | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
or anything like that, because we'd say we just didn't do that. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
So... I don't know how he was feeling. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
I'm just sorry that... | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
I didn't see as much of him as perhaps we could have done in... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
in older years. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
Today, Charles is heading over to see Irene | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
to talk her through the paperwork. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
He also explains that her £15,000 windfall | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
may have actually gone up in value. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:32 | |
As Raymond died in 1999, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
you've got eight...a good eight years, or eight plus years, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
-to get interest. -Oh, that would be nice. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
I mean, anything is nice when it comes out of the blue like that. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
Well, it is. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
I mean, I'm surprised in actual fact | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
that there is as much money in my brothers... | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
erm...account, whatever you like to call it. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Well, I think he must have been careful. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Raymond might have been careful with his money, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
but that doesn't mean Irene has to be. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
She's not interested in spending her windfall on paying the bills | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
but has something altogether different in mind. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
I'd like to go up in a helicopter. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
-You would? -Yes. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
It would be quite... quite nice to go up | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
and have an aerial view of where... where we live. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
Charles hasn't met many 79-year-olds with such a sense of adventure. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
His mission accomplished, he heads back home. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
It will take several months for Raymond's money to come through, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
but safe in the knowledge that it's on its way, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Irene decides to fulfil the dream of a lifetime. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Nearing 80 and having had both of her knees replaced, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Irene is one of the pluckiest helicopter passengers. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
Grab onto there. You never done much tap dancing in your day, have you? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
I have, but I was a lot livelier then. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
-Right. -See my new knee joints. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
She's given the full VIP treatment. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
Shall I tighten them up a bit? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
-Sorry? -Shall I tighten them up a little bit? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
They're all right, they feel quite tight. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
OK, all right, then. There you go. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
-Do you want to go up towards York? -York Minster? -Yes. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
OK, shall we go and see that? That'll be perfect. That'll be just right. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
It's time for Irene's dream to come true. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Ooh. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
Well, almost. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:29 | |
ENGINE SPLUTTERS | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
ENGINE STARTS | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
ENGINE STOPS | 0:25:37 | 0:25:38 | |
Not a good start. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
But it will take more than a shaky start to faze Irene. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
'It was something that I've always wanted to do, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
'but I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't had the help from Raymond.' | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
If Charles hadn't managed to track down Irene, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
she might not have learned of her brother's death | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
and wouldn't have experienced | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
this unexpected pleasure late in her own life. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
So wherever you are, dear, thank you very much indeed. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
An unexpected windfall can change a life, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
and you too could be in line to inherit some money. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
Patrick Kielly died aged 82 in Sleaford, Lincolnshire. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Patrick died in April 2006, leaving £26,000. Are you related to him? | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
Could you be entitled to his cash? | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
Doreen Hudson died in Bradford, West Yorkshire, aged 76. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
Doreen's estate is valued at £14,000, and nobody has claimed it. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
Do you know Doreen Hudson? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
Could you be one of her heirs? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Sarah Blygh died in Camberley, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Surrey, in February 2007. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Sarah was 79 when she passed away | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
and left an estate worth £17,000. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Might you be part of Sarah's family? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Do you know someone who is? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
If you are related to any of these people, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
then you could be entitled to inherit their money. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
For further information, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
take a look at our website | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
and follow details | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
on what to do next. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
Sometimes, even the professionals struggle to track down heirs. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
Like the team at Fraser & Fraser, who today are trying to find | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
the relatives of a Joseph Hilliard, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
who died leaving an estate worth around £60,000. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
The team thought they'd found an heir, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
but then realised they were researching the wrong family. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
They've wasted four hours and have two travelling heir hunters | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
in the wrong parts of the country. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
All the work we've done this morning is no good. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Ewart is heading back to London, having been turned back to base. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
Dave is near Consett, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
about to call on the wrong Joseph Hilliard's niece. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
And the right Joseph Hilliard was born in Whitehaven | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
which, by heir hunting rules, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
is where the heirs are now most likely to be. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
As Joseph Hilliard's estate is the only one worth any money | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
on today's government list, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
there's a fair chance rival companies may have reached heirs | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
before Frasers. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
Head honcho Neil is not happy. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
He calls a crisis meeting to try to decide | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
where to send the travelling heir hunters next. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
So we need Ewart still up there. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
If this person is right, we're now on the other side of the country. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
If you sent Ewart to Whitehaven, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
by the time we knew anything was right, he would be half way there. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
-If he wasn't, then he can come home again. -It could be a mammoth job. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-30 seconds ago, you've told me that the... -BLEEP -..family you've worked is wrong. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
Do you want him or not? | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
We don't even know if Whitehaven's gonna be right anyway. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
-I'll stop him, all right? -Yeah. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
And what do you do? Keep Mansell going in case it comes across? | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
Well, ask him. I mean... | 0:29:38 | 0:29:39 | |
Well, you know, until we know where we're going... | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
Right, well, send Ewart across then. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
-We've worked the wrong family so far, and we've got two travellers in the middle of... -BLEEP -..nowhere. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:50 | |
I'll send them to Whitehaven. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
Case manager Marcus alerts Ewart in his own charming style. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
Well, just head for Whitehaven and we'll tell ya. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
Yeah? All right, mate. Bye. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Ewart was on his way back to base, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
but now the office are sending him back up north. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
I've been diverted, after doing about a hundred miles... | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
diverted, now, I'm going to... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
er...Cumbria. Whitehaven. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
So in total, in two days, I'll probably do about 700 miles. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
At least, Ewart is taking the news in his stride, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
and Grimble is also trying to look on the bright side. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
We've got to speculate, take a chance. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
All right, we've spent three... three or four hours... | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
OK, it turned out to be the wrong family, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
but, hey, being the right family, what would we have been doing? | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
We would have been sitting round doing nothing for four hours. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
But with Dave ten minutes from the end of his three-hour journey | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
to a person he thinks is his first heir, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
how is he going to react when he finds out | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
he's actually on the road to nowhere? | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
Grimble tries to be diplomatic. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Where is Consett at all? That's... | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
We're on the A68. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
'A68.' | 0:31:06 | 0:31:07 | |
Yeah... Just hang on, I'll get the map, cos we've got it handy. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Eight to ten miles from Consett now. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
Yeah, well, brilliant. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
'OK. Can you continue along that road?' | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
Yeah. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:23 | |
To Whitehaven. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
-Where? -Whitehaven. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
Whitehaven's on the west coast, Grimble. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
It's the thinnest part of England up there, isn't it? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
The timing might be comic, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:35 | |
but it doesn't look like David sees the funny side. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
-Well, I'm on the wrong side of the country. -Yeah, I know. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Well, God knows how long it will take us. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
Yeah. All right. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
-'OK?' -Right. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
OK, bye. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
He ain't happy with that. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Got to head towards Whitehaven. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:56 | |
We're on the east side of the country, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
now he wants me to go to the very west side. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
It's just a joke, this. It's a joke. Somebody's having a laugh. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:09 | |
Dave's just driven 150 miles in the wrong direction | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
and somebody else who is definitely not having a laugh is Ewart. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
He's just been pulled over by the boys in blue for driving too fast. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
-Do you know why we've stopped you? -I'm not too sure. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
An educated guess? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
-I'm not too sure. -OK, then. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:27 | |
Just before the M6 toll... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
..the police flagged me, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
flashed me, pulled over and said, "Oh, er... | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
"Do you know why we've stopped you?" "I haven't got a clue." | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
"Oh, you were speeding, you were doing 90 miles an hour." | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
I was gonna say, "Everyone drives at 90 miles an hour," | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
but you know... So they fined me £60 | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
and three points off my licence. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Fantastic. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
It looks like nobody's having a good day at Fraser & Fraser, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
and unless they manage to get to Whitehaven before any of their competitors, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
it could be one of the worst days they've had. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
One of those less than memorable days, isn't it? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
The research team work furiously to catch up for lost time, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
and at last, they have some luck. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
We've got one sibling, a brother...erm... | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
still living in Whitehaven, so we're gonna give him a call. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Could they have found Joseph Hilliard's brother? | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
This is Frasers last chance to make a success of the day. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Hello. Is that Mr Hilliard? | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
Oh, sorry to trouble you. My name's David Milchard. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
I'm calling from London. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
I'm trying to trace a family by the name of Hilliard | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
in connection with an estate I'm dealing with. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Now, would your parents have been John Hilliard and Mary Stewart? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
Yeah, OK, fine. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
That's the news Grimble's been waiting for. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
He is the right Joseph's brother. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
All right. Do you know what happened to Joseph? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
You haven't heard from him since when? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
About four or five years. Oh. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:14 | |
The fact the brothers have lost touch | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
won't stop David Hilliard from becoming an heir. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
But if Joseph had children, it will be them who get all the money. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
And did he have any children, do you know? | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Three or four. And do you know what happened to them? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
I mean, are you in contact with them at all? | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
All right. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:35 | |
Right, so they're still in the Whitehaven area, are they? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
This phone call is a massive breakthrough for Frasers. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
They now know that Joseph had six children, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
three of whom are still alive and living in Whitehaven. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
It shows what a difference half an hour makes. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
Half an hour we had what we thought was a niece. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
That's proved to be totally rubbish, and now we believe we're on to the right family. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
We're home and dry as far as it being the correct family. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
But Grimble's troubles aren't over, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
as an old problem rears its head again. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
With just three heirs to sign up, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
sending two travellers up north is unnecessary. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
Unable to face ringing himself, Grimble gets a colleague | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
to do the dirty work. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Just been rung up by Francis... | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
You're gonna love this one. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
I've been diverted back to London. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
So I've just got three points on my licence for absolutely nothing. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
I am not happy. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
Ewart does U-turn on M1. LAUGHTER | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
And on the A68, Dave's battling the elements | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
in his epic journey to Whitehaven. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
Absolutely atrocious. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
We've gone from freezing fog now to absolute torrential downpour. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
And we're still nearly two hours away from where they want me to go, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
having gone up a wild goose chase on the wrong side of the country. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
Dave checks in to let off steam. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Ah, Dave, Dave, Dave... This is the way it works. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
You know, we go into one place, we work on a family, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
then it all proves to be wrong, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
then we find he's on the other side of the country. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
You know, the point is, we're on the track now | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
to see some children of the deceased, so when you get there... | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
Yeah, I know. Don't split hairs, Dave. You know, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
Whitehaven ain't that far away, is it? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
Eh? Yeah, OK. Yeah. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Dave and Grimble aren't the only ones feeling the pressure. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
Ewart is still on the road. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
Today, he left the house at 7.30am, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
has driven from London to Sunderland, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
was diverted at Leicester back home, was then sent to Whitehaven, | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
and then, just before he arrived, was asked to return back to base. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
It's now 4.30, and to Ewart's dismay, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
the office need him to run another errand. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Yeah, tell them that I'm now... I'm now at... | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
At erm... | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
-'Do you know where you are, Ewart?' -I... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
My mind has just gone blank cos I'm so knackered. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
I've just done about 350 miles going nowhere. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
Ewart has been asked to collect a certificate for an old case. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
He's praying he'll then be allowed to head home. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
This son, if it is correct, he lives in south Humberside. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
I really don't want to go to south Humberside. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
I've just driven 350 miles. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
As Ewart waits for a call back with his next instructions, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
his fate rests in the hands of the gods. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Well, in the hands of Neil Fraser. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
I hope I don't have to drive another 200 miles or something. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
I would cry. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
But at last, the gods are smiling on Ewart. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
Yeah... | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
Cheers. Bye. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
(Yes.) I'm heading home. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
# I'm heading home, I'm heading home... # | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
Ewart's day may finally have ended, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
but Dave's still got important work to do. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
He's just reached his destination, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
a pub where Joseph's daughter Yvonne lives. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
The Ship. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
But Neil knows it's going to be a difficult meeting. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
We don't think they know about the deceased dying, but... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
it's one of these things which is very, very close. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
We don't really like dealing with children | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
because there's more emotion and more heart in it. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Breaking the news isn't as difficult as Dave had feared, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
but it's still an emotional meeting. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
He died in a home of some description, a care home or a nursing home. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
-I don't know what exactly yet, but we will find out and let you know. -Yeah. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
We thought he was dead about two years ago. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
We all understood him to be dead, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
so to turn around and say he only died last year makes you feel... | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
you know, maybe you could have gone to see him or... | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
He moved away when we were all small, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
and you just never think about it, you know, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
you never ever think, do you? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:31 | |
He never did turn back up, so... | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
..it's just sad. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
-But we will find out and let you know. -Yeah. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
Dave's got some more news for Yvonne. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
But it means because he died without leaving a will, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
and his wife had pre-deceased him, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
that all his children would share whatever estate there was. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
Now, at this moment in time, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
-we're not really sure how much there is. -No. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
We think there's somewhere in the region of about £40,000. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
-His house is valued at more than that. -Yeah. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Because he's been in care, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:03 | |
-he would have had to pay towards the upkeep of his care. -Right. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
-So we don't know how much has gone on that. -Right. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
-So I know that some of your brothers and sisters have died? -Yes. Three dead. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
-So their children will share their part. -Yeah. Yeah. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
It's a lot for Yvonne to take in, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
and now, there's the paperwork to go through. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
Dave asks Yvonne to sign a contract with Frasers. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
This allows the heir hunters to help Yvonne put in a claim | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
for her share of the estate, which will amount to around £10,000. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
-OK, thanks very much. -Thank you. -Pleasure to meet you. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
-Thanks for your hospitality. -See you again. -Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
Yvonne's brother and sister also live in Whitehaven, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
and Dave heads over to meet them. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
One last difficult meeting before his long day is over. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
Hiya. I'm looking for Paul and Angela Hilliard. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
Yeah, that's us. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:57 | |
-Is that you? -Mmm. -Is she in, your sister? -Yeah. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
-Can I come in to see you? -Yeah. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
Also at the house is their mother, Margaret, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Joseph Hilliard's first wife. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
This part of the family is close. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
In fact, Angela is a full-time carer for her mother and brother. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
But they'd all lost touch with Joseph and had no idea | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
that he had died just a few months ago. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
I haven't seen him since I was 15 year old. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
The last time... | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
So, it's more of a shock than anything else. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
It's nice that they've got closure, really, isn't it? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
-Yeah, it is. It is. Very much so. -Knowing he's dead. Mmm. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
Dave goes through the inheritance paperwork with them. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
-It's a pleasure. -Thank you. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
-Not to bring bad news, but to sort it out for you. -Yeah. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
'You're treading on eggshells in many respects. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:57 | |
'You've got to get round to telling them, | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
'cos that's the reason you're there.' | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
It's not like I haven't done it before. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
It's a horrible thing to have to do, er...but it has to be done. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Now there's one last job, letting Grimble know how he's got on. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
-Hello. -Hi, Grimble. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
-Hello, mate. How are you going? -All right. Seen Angela. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
-'Yeah.' -And Paul. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
-'Uh-huh.' -Both signed up. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
Oh, well done. Well done. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
-Now, mum thought that he'd died a couple of years ago. -'Yeah.' | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
So it was a shock for them to find out | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
-that he'd only died in September. -Yeah. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
And they've never had a penny off him in all their lives, the kids, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
so this is like a bonus, really. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
OK, then. All right then, my old son, well done. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
-Bye. -'Lovely. Bye.' | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
Eight hours into the search, the team have found and signed up | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
all the heirs to Joseph Hilliard's £60,000 estate... | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Another successful day. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
..beating the competition. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
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