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Today the heir hunters uncover a tragic family story as they track down the heirs

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to a £40,000 cash estate.

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They're looking for long-lost relatives who have no idea

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they're in line for a windfall.

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Could they be knocking at your door?

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On today's programme...

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The heir hunters have got their work cut out searching

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for the descendants of a man with one of the most common surnames in the country.

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They knew that Ronald died.

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-So this is correct, then?

-This is correct.

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And a straightforward investigation goes global as they hunt

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for the beneficiaries of an unsung hero of rock 'n' roll.

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If you listen to the man, he was born to perform.

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Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury.

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Could thousands of pounds be heading your way?

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Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will.

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If no relatives are found,

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then any money left behind will go to the Government.

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Last year, they made £12 million from unclaimed estates.

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That's where the heir hunters come in.

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They make it their business to track down missing relatives

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and help them claim their rightful inheritance.

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It is rewarding when one can put people in touch with one another.

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It's Thursday morning in central London

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and in the offices of heir hunters, Fraser & Fraser,

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boss Neil is scanning the Treasury's weekly register of unclaimed estates.

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One listing of the popular surname Jones catches his eye.

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He's not 100% convinced it's the right case to pursue.

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On this case of Jones, I've really got no idea how much it's worth.

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Before I commit loads of staff here or even drop the case,

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I've asked Bob Smith to go down there.

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He's going to do an inquiry with the neighbours.

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He's going to hopefully find out whether it's worth £5,000 or £500,000.

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Until we get an answer back, I don't want to commit staff to work it.

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The heir hunters work on commission, taking a percentage

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of the money received by each heir that they sign.

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So before he decides to go ahead with this job, Neil wants to know

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that it's going to be worth his while,

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especially because it involves a potentially tricky surname, Jones.

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It's still early in the morning, but Neil's keen to stay ahead

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of the competition, so he gets straight on the phone to Bob Smith.

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Ronald Jones. All right, OK. Off we go.

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The company employs several travelling heir hunters like Bob who are based all over the country.

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It's their job to chase up any lead, no matter where it takes them,

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and make sure if there are heirs to be found,

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they're first on the doorstep.

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Yeah, our deceased, Ronald Jones, died

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and, presumably, would have lived in the Basildon area of Essex.

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At this stage we don't know whether he lived in rented accommodation

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or he owned his own property.

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Before Bob can speak to the neighbours, and hopefully find out all this information,

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he needs to get hold of Ron's address.

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First stop is Basildon register office to collect Ron's death certificate.

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Ronald Jones died aged 87 in Basildon in Essex.

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He left no will and not even a photograph survives of him.

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Before he died, he lived in this modern terraced house.

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His neighbour, Lisa Hendy, remembers him fondly.

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We really got quite close with Ron.

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About ten years ago, we'd been in here for five years

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and we were out in the garden

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and he'd had a nice cold tinny, as he used to call them, on the go.

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He asked my husband if he wanted to join him.

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So it's basically been from there, talking the old-fashioned way

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over a garden fence, having a gossip and a laugh.

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He was a lovely man.

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He used to like doing his gardening, meeting people,

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getting his newspaper, having chats to people, or going to play bingo.

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The way he used to dress was very smart.

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Always wore trousers, pair of shoes.

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Nice freshly-ironed shirt, very clean shaven,

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hair in place all the time.

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One day, Ronald had a fall in his back garden.

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Lisa called an ambulance and took him to hospital.

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Sadly, he never recovered and passed away a month later.

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Before he died, Lisa visited him there on fireworks night.

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He was there on 5th November, which was his actual birthday.

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We were looking out of the window of the hospital.

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Ron was saying, "They're celebrating me being in here!"

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Even when he really didn't want to be somewhere, he was still jovial and happy.

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In the office, the team are waiting to hear

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whether the Jones case is a goer or not.

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Before they commit to a full-scale investigation,

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they need some reassurance that the job is sufficiently high value to be worth their while.

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Which is why Rob Smith is in Basildon.

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He's been given the job of finding out how much this case is worth

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and he's just picked up Ron Jones's death certificate,

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which should contain some vital information to help him in his research.

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It gives his address in Basildon.

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So that's handy.

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We'll go there and make inquiries, see if he owned the property,

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any information about his family.

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But also his date of birth,

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5th November, Guy Fawkes Night, in Islington.

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The date and place of birth of the deceased

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are crucial bits of information.

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With these key facts,

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the team will be able to start the search for Ronald's wider family.

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First things first. Bob needs to find out what he can by going to Ronald's last known address.

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I'm actually making inquiries about next door, Ronald Jones. Oh, yes.

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We're trying to trace his next of kin.

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He apparently has left an estate,

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whatever that is, money in the bank, whatever,

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and the family need to know because they're entitled to it.

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-Yeah.

-All right? OK, but number three?

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All right, lovely, thanks. Bye.

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Bob moves on to the next house.

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The office are depending on him to find out

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whether Ronald Jones's estate is worth anything

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and to come up

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with some information about family members who could inherit.

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He's been in this game a long time and knows that only persistence brings results.

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And sure enough...

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He did have some children,

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-but from what I can make out, they were estranged.

-Right.

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I believe he's got one or two daughters that live somewhere in London.

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Bingo. Bob has struck gold.

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According to this neighbour, Ronald Jones has children living in London.

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Apparently they were estranged from their father,

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but they would still inherit any money.

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Bob also discovers that the estate has some value.

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Although Ronald didn't own his house, when his property was cleared after his death,

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a jaw-dropping discovery was made.

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£40,000 in cash.

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That's lovely. Thanks very much.

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This is a great result for Bob.

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Thanks to him, the team now know that Ronald has two estranged daughters

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who would be the sole heirs to their father's £40,000 estate.

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But where there's money, Bob knows there will probably be competition from the 30 or so

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other heir hunting companies.

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And he's still dealing with one of the most common surnames in the UK.

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There's a long way to go before this case is solved.

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Back in the office, the team now have the crucial information

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they need to get to work.

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The heir hunters now know they are dealing with

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what they call a direct kin case.

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This means the deceased had children that can inherit.

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The heir hunters know that once they've found them,

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it will be job done.

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Researcher Debbie has been online looking for birth records for Ronald Jones's children.

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She's made an interesting discovery.

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Apparently the deceased, Mr Ronald Jones, had four kids,

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was married before.

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So we're speculatively looking at marriages for him.

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According to the information Debbie's found online,

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Ronald had four children, not two like the neighbour said.

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London is full of Joneses, so finding them will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

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The one lead they have is they know Ronald was born in Islington,

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a fact gleaned from his death certificate,

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so it's the best place to start looking for other family members.

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Case manager David Pacifico has taken charge of the investigation.

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-Did you speak to Bob?

-No, I left a message.

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The first thing he does is to recruit another travelling heir hunter, Bob Barrett.

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-Are you in Hammersmith?

-No, Chelsea Bridge now.

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-Could you go to Islington?

-Right.

-Thanks, Bob.

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Bob heads off to collect Ron's birth certificate from Islington register office

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and to see what other Jones family records he can find there.

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While Bob makes his way across London,

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David Pacifico is trying to consolidate what they know so far about this case.

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Jones. Now, this is a case where we found out from a neighbour

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that he had about £40,000 in cash in the house.

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A council house but 40,000, so well worth looking at.

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I've got Bob Barrett going to Islington to pick up the birth

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of the deceased, Ronald Jones, hoping it might give us good information.

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Hopefully some decent names of the parents.

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But Noel's already working on identifying Ronald's parents

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and amazingly, he strikes lucky.

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Out of all the Jones marriages registered in Islington,

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the first one he finds is the right family.

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Brinley. Dad's Brinley Jones,

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married September 1930.

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Islington. She's Alice Hall.

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Ronald's parents were Brinley Jones and Alice Hall.

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Brinley and Alice had three children, Ronald,

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a son Brinley and a daughter, Doris.

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We've done a death search of Brinley Jones Junior.

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He died in Brentwood in 1998.

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His address was in Basildon, same place as the deceased guy.

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We've just found out the phone number of his widow.

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David's going out now.

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If she's there now, hopefully we might get a few answers.

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This is a great result for the team.

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If they can speak to Brinley's widow, she may be able to give them some vital information

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about Ronald's marriage and the whereabouts of his children.

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But after all that, she's not in, so David has to leave a message.

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We're trying to trace the descendants of a Brinley Jones

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and Alice Jones, formerly Hall,

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which I'm hoping were the parents to Brinley Jones,

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particularly about a possible brother that he may have had by the name of Ronald.

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Thank you very much.

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It's frustrating for the team.

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Somewhere out there in London, Ronald Jones's children

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are entitled to share their father's estate.

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For the time being, all the heir hunters can do is keep looking for them.

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Coming up...

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Hang on.

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The team make a breakthrough.

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She's either living at this address, or this one.

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But for David, it comes at a price.

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God! Never like that, never like these sort of cases.

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Most of the time, the heir hunters are looking for the heirs of people who lived ordinary, everyday lives.

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But once in a blue moon, they come across an extraordinary individual

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whose legacy touched thousands of people all over the world.

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This was the case with Timothy Alan Rose.

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When Gareth Langford of heir hunters, Fraser & Fraser, first started investigating,

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the name meant nothing to him, but all that was about to change.

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When the case was first advertised,

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all the information we had was his name, Timothy Alan Rose.

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He died in 2002 in Westminster.

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From that death,

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we knew he was born in 1940, and then the problems started.

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Timothy Alan Rose died on 24th September, 2002, in Westminster in London.

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But mysteriously, his estate didn't appear on the Treasury's list

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until eight years later, in 2010.

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The only other information Gareth had was his date of birth.

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He had no idea about the value of the estate,

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so he didn't even know if the case would be worth pursuing.

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The first thing Gareth did was to look around for a birth certificate.

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He found one for a Timothy Rose that seemed to fit, but he couldn't be sure.

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The birth that we were looking at was a plain Timothy

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and it was in slightly the wrong quarter.

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We would have expected him to be born in 1940,

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and we had the birth in 1941.

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So he didn't have the second Christian name

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and he was in the wrong year.

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We basically had a question of, "Do we work the family that we had the birth certificate

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"that we didn't like, or do we go and get the birth certificate?"

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What we decided to do was both.

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While Dominic went to order the death certificate from Westminster Register Office,

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the team got busy researching the family of this Tim Rose

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without a middle name.

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It wasn't long before they'd made fantastic progress,

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even lining up several beneficiaries who would be entitled to inherit.

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It looked like this job would be all sewn up in a matter of hours.

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But then the death certificate arrived back in the office and changed everything.

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Two main things that came from the death certificate.

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The first one was that the family we had been working was wrong.

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We knew that for two reasons, one because the date of birth was wrong,

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but also, more importantly, our deceased was born in America.

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For Gareth, this was potentially bad news.

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If Tim was American,

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then it was likely that his heirs would be American as well,

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which means the whole case would have to be handed over to the company's US associates.

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But just when this case was looking like a real non-starter,

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another key fact leapt off the page.

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The second bit of information was that he was a singer-songwriter.

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As Dom was telling me on the phone, his occupation,

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I immediately thought "We've got to look on the internet for this chap."

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If Tim Rose was a successful musician,

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then Gareth was expecting that there would be some information about him online

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that would give this investigation a helping hand.

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But what he actually found was much better than he could ever have hoped for.

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There was a wealth of information about him,

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including biographies, the music he had done over the years and footage.

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It seems that Tim Rose was not your average jobbing musician.

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One of the first things that Gareth came across when he looked online

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was a clip of Tim on the Jools Holland Show in 1997.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mr Tim Rose!

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APPLAUSE

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Tim had been invited on to the programme to perform the song, Hey Joe.

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This was the track that brought him recognition

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and later turned into an international hit for Jimi Hendrix.

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# Hey Joe

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# Where are you going with that money in your hand? #

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The more Gareth read, the more intrigued he became

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as he came across tribute after tribute to Tim Rose.

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He's a connoisseur's artist, really.

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He's the sort of person that if you know a lot about

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a certain type of music, you'd go towards Tim Rose.

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He was obviously highly regarded by both the critics

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and his fellow musicians.

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Tim was a great performer.

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George Harrison wanted him to record With A Little Help From My Friends.

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He had a voice which could move

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through all the emotions.

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It could go from tender to hard-edged, to rock.

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I had never heard anything like Tim Rose before.

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There was nothing around like Tim Rose.

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# I said, I said

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# Hey, hey Joe

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# Hey, hey

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# Hey, Joe!

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# Waah!

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-# Waah! #

-APPLAUSE

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From everything that he had read online, it was clear

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to Gareth that despite being an American,

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Tim had most of his success in the UK.

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It seems he moved over here in the late '60s

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and started working with professional roadie, Martin Hughes.

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It was the beginning of a 40-year friendship.

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I took Tim down to Hastings for his first gig here.

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I didn't know what to expect but when I stood at the side

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of the stage, and he started up, that did it for me.

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He grabbed me straight away. He was demanding, but he was so talented.

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Tim's career in the music industry spanned four decades,

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but it was anything but consistent.

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In the '70s, the gigs dried up and he left London

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and went back to the States, where he fell on hard times.

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He hit the bottle quite strongly for one period of time.

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He sold everything, his car, his home,

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even some guitars.

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Tim eventually pulled himself back from the brink.

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Over the next 20 years or so, he did a variety of jobs,

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all of them far removed from the music business.

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But one day, he picked up his guitar again.

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The bug got him again, and he just, you know,

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one thing led to another and back he came.

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Tim moved back to the UK. He recorded a few albums

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and went out on the road again doing what he loved best.

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Playing to his loyal fans.

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But sadly, by the late '90s, he was suffering from cancer

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and in a lot of pain.

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His friends tried to tell him to slow down, but he wouldn't,

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he just wanted to work, so he was taking everything on.

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Ignoring advice from his doctors, Tim went ahead

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and had an operation to remove the tumour.

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He didn't survive the surgery

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and died the day after his 62nd birthday.

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He was in the middle of his latest tour.

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If you listen to the man or look at any decent footage of him,

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he was born to perform. Music was him.

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For Gareth, all this information was extremely encouraging.

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If Tim Rose was a successful singer-songwriter,

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it was likely there would be some value to his estate.

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But Gareth still didn't have any leads on Tim's heirs.

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For that, the team had to sift

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through the biographical sections of the websites.

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They soon discovered that Tim was born on September 23rd, 1940 in Washington DC.

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He was an only child whose parents were Harold and Mary Rose.

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Harold was described as an absent father

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and Tim was brought up by his mother and an unnamed aunt.

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One of the things that we've often found with the internet

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is that some of the information is correct and some is wrong.

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However, in this case, I think we are on the right path,

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because we not only had his own website saying this information,

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we also had other sources as well,

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and they're all pretty much saying exactly the same thing.

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Gareth was now confident that he had built up an accurate picture of Tim's close family.

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He knew that his parents were Harold and Mary,

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and that he was an only child,

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so there were no siblings who could inherit.

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But the interesting figure in all this

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was the unidentified aunt who had helped bring Tim up

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and was mentioned on so many of the websites.

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If this aunt had got married and had children,

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her descendants would be Tim Rose's heirs.

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Could she be the key to this entire heir hunt?

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Coming up... The heir hunters uncover

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the harsh realities of talented Tim Rose's career in the music business.

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Tim is the classic nearly-man of rock music.

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He was almost there on several occasions.

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Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year

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and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs.

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But not every case can be cracked.

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The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates

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that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved.

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Could you be the heir they've been searching for?

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Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds,

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thousands or even millions of pounds?

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Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years,

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and today we're focusing on three names.

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Are they relatives of yours?

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Edmund James Peddie died on 4th January 2009 in Coventry.

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Edmund had a wife, whose maiden name was thought to be Powell.

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If no heirs of Edmund's are found, his money will go to the government.

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William James Kingdon died on 19th January 2007 in Clapham, London.

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Kingdon is an Anglo-Saxon name,

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from the parish of Kingsdon near Somerton in Somerset.

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The greatest concentrations of Kingdons in the country live in Exeter.

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Does anyone remember William?

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Brenda Gagg died on 24th April 1998,

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aged 78 in Radford, Nottingham.

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Gagg is a very rare surname in Britain.

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Only six people in a million have it,

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and the majority of them live in Torquay.

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Brenda left no will, and so far no one has come forward to claim her estate.

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If the names Edmund Peddie, William Kingdon or Brenda Gagg

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mean anything to you, or someone you know,

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you could have a fortune coming your way.

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Heir hunters, Fraser & Fraser, are searching for the heirs

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to Ronald Jones' £40,000 estate.

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The case had got off to a slow start.

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Neil wasn't sure that it would be worth enough to justify

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a full investigation.

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On this case of Jones, I've really no idea about the value

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but I don't like turning cases down.

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Then travelling heir hunter, Bob Smith, made a startling discovery.

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He heard that after Ronald had died,

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they had found £40,000 in cash stashed around his house.

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Ronald's friend Lisa was there when the money was found, and she couldn't believe

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where he had hidden it all.

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Behind wardrobes, in coat pockets, in suit jackets,

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detachable hoods from coats. There was a large amount of money that he'd put in there.

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I think he probably didn't want to put it in a bank

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because he probably felt safer with it on him,

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where he could keep an eye on it more than the bank managers,

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probably knowing Ron!

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The team are working on the theory that this case involves near kin.

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The neighbours told them that Ronald had some children, but they were probably estranged.

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Their best hope of tracing these children is to go back

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through Ronald's family and find someone who remembers them

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or knows of their whereabouts.

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The dad is Brinley Jones.

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Researcher, Noel, found a phone number for Ronald's brother, Brinley's, widow,

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but she wasn't in to take the call.

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Thank you very much.

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But then suddenly, he makes another breakthrough.

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Hang on.

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She is either living at this address or this address.

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He's managed to track down Brinley's widow's daughter.

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David heads off to try his luck again.

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Would I be right in saying you would be the daughter of a Brinley John Jones?

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Brinley's daughter is in, and better still,

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her mum is visiting her and is happy to speak to David.

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Mrs Jones, I represent a company of probate researchers in London.

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We're trying to track down the closest next of kin

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of your brother-in-law, Ronald Jones.

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The closest ones obviously would be his children.

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Jennifer?

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What about Kathleen?

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Brinley's widow tells David that Ronald's wife was called Lydia

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and they had two daughters, Jennifer and Kathleen.

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But she also has news about the two other children.

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What, when they were very young?

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Oh, dear!

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David has learnt that the two other children, Martin and Jacqueline,

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died when they were infants in a car accident.

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Sadly, it seems that the stress of this tragedy took its toll

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and Ronald and Lydia later divorced.

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Worse still, Lydia was recently killed in another road accident.

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Well, you have given us a lot of information

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and I'm sure we can track them down.

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How old would Jennifer and Kathleen be now?

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Would they be sort of...

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Thank you very much indeed, Mrs Jones.

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David has uncovered the sad story of a family dogged by tragedy.

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What's more, it seems that Brinley's widow

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hasn't seen her nieces in years, so not only were they estranged

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from their father, but from his whole side of the family.

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David checks back in with the team.

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I spoke to the mother.

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They knew that Ronald died.

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-So this is correct?

-This is correct.

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Now it's been confirmed that there are only two heirs, it's all systems go for the heir hunters.

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David calls travelling researcher, Bob Barratt.

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He's at Islington register office looking for birth and marriage certificates

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for Ronald Jones and his family.

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Can you just hold fire a minute? I think we're going to work a few things out.

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OK, so we don't want anything from Islington?

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Basically, what we're going to get is probably irrelevant now.

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We've got the names of the children,

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we've got a married name of one of the daughters.

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I think this'll come out in North London, but I'm not sure whereabouts at the moment.

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No problem, OK, cheers. Bye.

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Bob Barratt is standing by awaiting his next instructions, so David gets back to the hunt.

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He knows he's very close

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to finding an address for one of Ronald's daughters,

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and sure enough...

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This is Kathleen's address.

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David gets straight back on the phone.

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Bob, David.

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I have got an address in Islington, London N1.

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See if you can get any joy at that address.

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We're plugging away, but that's the closest we've got so far.

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-OK, I will go round there now and see how we get on.

-Thanks.

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It's now over to Bob Barrett.

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He's got an address, so he can finally swing into action.

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But on a case like this one, he knows he needs to tread carefully.

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You never quite know what you're walking into

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with a relationship as close as this.

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I do not know whether...

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Whether I'll find Kathleen, but if I do,

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I don't know how she's going to react to the news

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that her father has died.

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Near-kin cases are very hard for the heir hunters.

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They often involve unhappy stories of estrangement

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and the team have to be prepared for the difficult task

0:28:040:28:07

of breaking the news that someone's children or parents have died.

0:28:070:28:12

On this occasion, it turns out Kathleen isn't at home,

0:28:120:28:15

but Bob does manage to speak to her neighbour.

0:28:150:28:18

-Hi.

-Hello. I've finally found it.

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Hello, I'm trying to trace Kathleen Hogg at number 14.

0:28:200:28:24

-I am from a company called Fraser & Fraser.

-OK, Kathleen Hogg.

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She's a friend of mine, I have her phone number.

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I will just go and get it for you.

0:28:300:28:31

-Does she still live there?

-Yes, she does.

0:28:310:28:34

Now that Bob has a phone number for Kathleen, it is time for him to call back to the office.

0:28:340:28:39

-David Pacifico, please.

-Hold the line, please.

-Thank you.

0:28:390:28:42

-Hi, Bob.

-Kathleen Hogg does still live at that address.

-OK.

0:28:420:28:48

I have a mobile telephone number for Mrs Hogg

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and I was wondering if it might be better

0:28:510:28:53

-if someone from the office rings, rather than me on a mobile.

-Sure.

0:28:530:28:57

This will be a difficult phone call for David to make,

0:28:590:29:02

but the heir hunters always try to respect the family's feelings.

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I'm sorry to trouble you.

0:29:050:29:07

I'm sorry, I don't know how to say this,

0:29:070:29:10

but unfortunately, it's to do with your father.

0:29:100:29:13

I'm sorry to say that he has since passed away.

0:29:130:29:17

We're trying to trace his next of kin,

0:29:170:29:20

which it would seem would be yourself and your sister.

0:29:200:29:23

What I'm hoping that we could do is discuss the matter in more detail

0:29:230:29:26

because it's obviously difficult over the phone.

0:29:260:29:30

Thank you, bye.

0:29:300:29:32

God, I never like that, I never like these sort of cases.

0:29:360:29:39

-That was Kathleen.

-Kathleen.

-That was Kathleen.

0:29:390:29:41

Kathleen was very upset to hear the news of her father's death

0:29:430:29:46

but she has agreed to meet with Bob Barrett.

0:29:460:29:50

I've mentioned about, obviously, her father's passed away.

0:29:500:29:55

-Also mentioned that we've spoken to one of her sister-in-law daughters.

-Right.

0:29:550:30:01

-I had to be totally open about it. I hate these cases.

-I know.

0:30:010:30:06

-Telling someone a parent's died.

-It's awful, isn't it?

0:30:060:30:08

Bob sets off for Kathleen's son's house, where she's been staying.

0:30:080:30:13

He's about to meet his first heir on this case,

0:30:130:30:16

which is a key moment in any heir hunt.

0:30:160:30:19

He also knows that Kathleen has just heard that her father has died

0:30:190:30:23

so he wants this experience to be as painless as possible for her.

0:30:230:30:26

-Bob Barrett from Fraser & Fraser. I think you're expecting me.

-Yes.

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I mean, I'm sorry that we had to break the news about your dad.

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You hadn't seen him for a while.

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I think I was about 29 the last time I saw him.

0:30:380:30:42

I was very close to my dad when he was with my mum.

0:30:420:30:45

They split up when I was about seven and a half, eight.

0:30:450:30:49

Then he moved to Australia, so we lost contact.

0:30:500:30:53

Bob tells Kathleen about the money that her and her sister are set to inherit.

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I know talking about money is not...

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As you say, your father's died.

0:31:010:31:04

But apparently there is about £40,000 in cash, I don't know whether David mentioned it to you,

0:31:040:31:10

that was found in the house. Whether that was...

0:31:100:31:13

Presumably, who knows, savings over many years.

0:31:130:31:17

He may have won the lottery the week before, who knows?

0:31:170:31:21

He always had money,

0:31:210:31:24

but I never expected him to have savings, do you know what I mean?

0:31:240:31:29

He was always a free-hearted man.

0:31:290:31:31

Kathleen is happy for the company to help her make a claim for her inheritance

0:31:310:31:36

in return for a percentage.

0:31:360:31:38

She signs up there and then.

0:31:380:31:40

-Thanks ever so much, nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you.

-Bye.

0:31:400:31:43

Kathleen has given Bob her sister Jennifer's phone number

0:31:450:31:48

and address, so Bob heads off to see her,

0:31:480:31:51

leaving Kathleen to consider the desperately sad news she's just received.

0:31:510:31:55

I often thought about him, you know.

0:31:570:32:00

I wondered what he was up to.

0:32:000:32:02

I thought if he wanted to see me, then he'd contact me,

0:32:020:32:08

do you know what I mean?

0:32:080:32:10

You sort of let things slide, don't you?

0:32:100:32:12

Although Kathleen hasn't seen her dad for many years,

0:32:120:32:17

she remembers him as a charismatic figure.

0:32:170:32:19

Yeah, when he took us out that time when he came to visit us

0:32:190:32:22

when I hadn't seen him for ages and I was calling him Dad.

0:32:220:32:27

"Don't call me Dad. I don't want people to think I'm old!"

0:32:270:32:31

At your age and grandkids, you know! Made me laugh.

0:32:330:32:37

He picked me up in his arms when I opened the door.

0:32:370:32:41

He picked me up in his arms and swung me round

0:32:410:32:44

and he was like...

0:32:440:32:47

You know...

0:32:470:32:48

I did think we'd see each other again.

0:32:480:32:52

It's very sad.

0:32:540:32:56

Bob's arrived at Kathleen's sister Jennifer's house,

0:32:580:33:01

prepared for another emotional meeting.

0:33:010:33:04

As before, David Pacifico has called ahead to break the sad news.

0:33:040:33:08

Nice to meet you, Bob Barrett.

0:33:100:33:12

Like her sister Kathleen,

0:33:120:33:14

Jennifer is happy for the company to help and signs an agreement on the spot.

0:33:140:33:18

I'll leave that with you.

0:33:190:33:21

File these away before I lose them.

0:33:210:33:23

What a surprise, what a shock.

0:33:230:33:25

You wouldn't expect this when you got out of bed this morning.

0:33:250:33:29

I would have liked him to be alive

0:33:290:33:33

so I could have introduced him to my family.

0:33:330:33:36

As Bob heads off, Jennifer is also left to reflect

0:33:360:33:40

on her long-lost father.

0:33:400:33:43

I didn't know him enough, you know.

0:33:430:33:45

My mum left him, you see.

0:33:450:33:48

She went to live with my nan with me and my sister after the car accident.

0:33:480:33:53

I didn't see him again until I was about 15. He came up to our house.

0:33:570:34:00

It would have been nice to know he'd written a will for me and my sister.

0:34:000:34:05

But...

0:34:050:34:07

It's not really, you know...

0:34:090:34:11

He's not left it to us, has he?

0:34:120:34:15

With both heirs signed with the company,

0:34:200:34:22

Bob calls into the office to speak to Dave

0:34:220:34:24

and reflect on what's been a difficult day for both of them.

0:34:240:34:28

Hello, Bob. I gather you've had another lengthy interview.

0:34:280:34:32

I don't know how much the daughters mentioned.

0:34:320:34:35

Did they want to know more about their father?

0:34:350:34:37

They both seem quite upset about not having seen him for so long.

0:34:370:34:41

I think they'd probably appreciate a bit more information about him.

0:34:410:34:45

Isn't it a shame? They're wondering about him.

0:34:450:34:48

-And it's too late, yeah.

-Yeah.

0:34:480:34:50

But it seems there is a chance for Kathleen and Jennifer

0:34:510:34:55

to find some comfort amidst their grief.

0:34:550:34:57

Ronald's friend and neighbour, Lisa,

0:34:570:34:59

has been on the phone to the office, offering to speak to them.

0:34:590:35:02

In his final days, Ronald had asked to see his daughters

0:35:020:35:06

but Lisa hadn't known how to find them.

0:35:060:35:09

Now she can put that right.

0:35:090:35:11

I think it'll be one of his biggest regrets

0:35:110:35:14

that he didn't keep in contact with them,

0:35:140:35:16

especially as the last few days

0:35:160:35:18

before he passed, he'd asked to see them.

0:35:180:35:21

Ron would want his daughters to have his money

0:35:210:35:24

because he would probably want to use that to build the bridge

0:35:240:35:28

from maybe where it collapsed when they didn't

0:35:280:35:31

speak to each other for so long.

0:35:310:35:33

Whatever Ronald's last wishes actually were, in the end, thanks to the heir hunters,

0:35:330:35:38

his money will go to his closest living relatives,

0:35:380:35:41

his two daughters, Jennifer and Kathleen.

0:35:410:35:44

Heir hunter, Gareth Langford, was trying to find the heirs

0:35:490:35:53

of American singer-songwriter, Tim Rose.

0:35:530:35:56

After quite a bit of research, he discovered this gifted musician was an only child,

0:35:560:36:01

raised by his mother and a mysterious aunt

0:36:010:36:04

who so far hasn't been named.

0:36:040:36:06

Gareth was pinning his hopes on this aunt having married

0:36:080:36:10

and had children. As Tim's cousins, they would be in line to inherit.

0:36:100:36:15

But despite all these hours of hard work and amazing discoveries,

0:36:160:36:20

sadly, for Gareth, it looked like the hunt in England was over.

0:36:200:36:25

Once we'd read through all the information on the internet,

0:36:250:36:28

it became apparent quite quickly there was very little we could do over here.

0:36:280:36:33

He didn't marry.

0:36:330:36:34

He was a bachelor, so there was no marriage to look for.

0:36:340:36:37

He wasn't born over here,

0:36:370:36:39

and it doesn't appear any of his family came over here either.

0:36:390:36:42

At that stage, we had to hand it over to our American colleagues

0:36:420:36:46

and see if they came up with any good leads.

0:36:460:36:48

But for the time being, all Gareth could do was wait

0:36:480:36:51

and the chances are, he'd have to wait quite a while.

0:36:510:36:55

Heir hunting in the US is a very different proposition.

0:36:550:36:59

Unlike the UK, they have no centralised record office for births, marriages and deaths,

0:36:590:37:03

and each state has its own rules

0:37:030:37:05

governing the release of this information.

0:37:050:37:07

Several days went by before Gareth heard anything at all

0:37:090:37:13

and when he did hear back, it wasn't good news.

0:37:130:37:16

It appears that maybe the deceased was an only child of parents

0:37:160:37:20

who were only children.

0:37:200:37:22

This was a real blow to the whole investigation.

0:37:220:37:26

That would mean there was no possibility of finding any heirs on this case.

0:37:270:37:31

But Gareth wasn't giving up yet.

0:37:310:37:33

Why would so many different sources on the internet talk about an aunt if she didn't exist?

0:37:330:37:38

The more he read about Tim, the more convinced he became

0:37:380:37:42

that there was going to be some value in this estate.

0:37:420:37:45

The reason why the case was only very recently advertised

0:37:460:37:50

is a bit of a mystery. The deceased died in 2002,

0:37:500:37:54

but his estate was only advertised on the list in 2010.

0:37:540:37:58

I don't know exactly why that's happened,

0:37:580:38:01

but one obvious reason is that his albums are selling.

0:38:010:38:05

Royalties are due to him, and his estate needs to be settled.

0:38:050:38:08

As a published singer-songwriter, Tim would have been earning royalties

0:38:090:38:13

from the sale and performance of his records throughout his life

0:38:130:38:17

and that would have continued from the eight years since his death.

0:38:170:38:20

The reality is that even after you've died,

0:38:220:38:24

you can earn money from your performances and your work

0:38:240:38:27

for quite some time. Provided they're sold,

0:38:270:38:29

provided they're played on radio or TV or in public places,

0:38:290:38:33

accounts are made and by the end of the year it all tots up to being, hopefully, a significant sum.

0:38:330:38:37

But how many records did Tim Rose sell over his chequered career?

0:38:370:38:42

And were they still selling even after his death?

0:38:420:38:45

I think Tim is the classic nearly-man of rock music.

0:38:470:38:50

He was almost there on several occasions.

0:38:500:38:52

There were several times where he nearly had a hit single in this country.

0:38:520:38:56

He went on Top Of The Pops, he was on the radio a lot,

0:38:560:38:59

he was playing live and getting lots of acclaim and good reviews,

0:38:590:39:02

but it didn't quite happen.

0:39:020:39:04

The highlight of Tim Rose's career was his first solo album,

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so he peaked early.

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It is a classic of its time, there's no doubt about it, it's a great album.

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One track on that record, Hey Joe,

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would prove to be the most important of Tim's career,

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but what success he had was soon overshadowed by another up-and-coming American artist.

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Very shortly after Tim did a version of the song,

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Jimi Hendrix had a hit single with a slow version of the song

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that sounds very, very similar to Tim's version,

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and he felt hard done by. Hendrix had the big hit with the song,

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but Tim had done the arrangement.

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Although Tim was disappointed that he never made the big time,

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in the end, it was the music and the fans that mattered.

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His first London show for nearly 20 years at the Half Moon pub in Putney,

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and it was absolutely packed.

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A lot of people remembered him at the time,

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and then a subsequent generation of people got into him as his records had been reissued.

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You could almost see him being blown away by the response.

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Very touchingly, I thought, at the end of the show,

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he stood at the door and shook hands with every member of the audience as they left.

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It was like a vicar saying "goodbye" to people leaving church.

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Only a few years after that sensational comeback,

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Tim's fans gathered at the Half Moon again.

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But this time, it was for his wake.

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Martin still comes here every year to remember his friend.

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Today is Tim's birthday.

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It's the day I come up to London to tidy the grave.

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I've called in here for a drink at the same time

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and bring back a few memories.

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When I play one of his CDs now, which I did on the way up here, in the car,

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it always means the same to me. The man is not dead, he's still with us.

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He's left his imprint on life, hasn't he?

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I mean, we can't get him back, but we can keep the music.

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Tim was never in the first rank of rock 'n' roll earners,

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but his records were still selling to fans and connoisseurs,

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long after his death.

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And with the royalties that accrued over the years,

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it turns out that the nearly-man of rock may have left a sizable legacy, after all.

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Mr Tim Rose!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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But after all that, this heir hunt

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was still in the hands of the Americans.

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And unless they could find Tim's missing aunt, then any money that he had left behind

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would be going straight to the government.

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But two weeks later, Frasers got some fantastic news.

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Some records had turned up in America that proved that the aunt did exist

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and, what's more, she had living descendants.

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We've just heard back from our agents in America.

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It's good news, really.

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It sounds like they've found beneficiaries.

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At the moment, I don't know the full extent of the family.

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Certainly all the agreements have been sent to them

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and they've spoken to all of them.

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They're aware, but we're waiting for the reports to come through.

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For Neil, it's a satisfying end to a very different kind of investigation.

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We've been able to identify a case,

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a case which we think has got value, even though initial thoughts

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indicated there probably wasn't going to be any value.

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We've been able to find the beneficiaries.

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We're the first people to find those beneficiaries and we've spoken to them.

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We're in a very, very good position.

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Fingers crossed now, a waiting game really, to see if the contracts come back to us.

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