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Today the heir hunters uncover a tragic family story as they track down the heirs | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
to a £40,000 cash estate. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
They're looking for long-lost relatives who have no idea | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
On today's programme... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
The heir hunters have got their work cut out searching | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
for the descendants of a man with one of the most common surnames in the country. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
They knew that Ronald died. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
-So this is correct, then? -This is correct. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
And a straightforward investigation goes global as they hunt | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
for the beneficiaries of an unsung hero of rock 'n' roll. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
If you listen to the man, he was born to perform. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
then any money left behind will go to the Government. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Last year, they made £12 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
That's where the heir hunters come in. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
It is rewarding when one can put people in touch with one another. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
It's Thursday morning in central London | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and in the offices of heir hunters, Fraser & Fraser, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
boss Neil is scanning the Treasury's weekly register of unclaimed estates. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
One listing of the popular surname Jones catches his eye. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
He's not 100% convinced it's the right case to pursue. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
On this case of Jones, I've really got no idea how much it's worth. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Before I commit loads of staff here or even drop the case, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
I've asked Bob Smith to go down there. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
He's going to do an inquiry with the neighbours. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
He's going to hopefully find out whether it's worth £5,000 or £500,000. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
Until we get an answer back, I don't want to commit staff to work it. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
The heir hunters work on commission, taking a percentage | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
of the money received by each heir that they sign. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
So before he decides to go ahead with this job, Neil wants to know | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
that it's going to be worth his while, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
especially because it involves a potentially tricky surname, Jones. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
It's still early in the morning, but Neil's keen to stay ahead | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
of the competition, so he gets straight on the phone to Bob Smith. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
Ronald Jones. All right, OK. Off we go. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
The company employs several travelling heir hunters like Bob who are based all over the country. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
It's their job to chase up any lead, no matter where it takes them, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
and make sure if there are heirs to be found, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
they're first on the doorstep. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Yeah, our deceased, Ronald Jones, died | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
and, presumably, would have lived in the Basildon area of Essex. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
At this stage we don't know whether he lived in rented accommodation | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
or he owned his own property. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
Before Bob can speak to the neighbours, and hopefully find out all this information, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
he needs to get hold of Ron's address. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
First stop is Basildon register office to collect Ron's death certificate. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Ronald Jones died aged 87 in Basildon in Essex. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
He left no will and not even a photograph survives of him. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Before he died, he lived in this modern terraced house. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
His neighbour, Lisa Hendy, remembers him fondly. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
We really got quite close with Ron. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
About ten years ago, we'd been in here for five years | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and we were out in the garden | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
and he'd had a nice cold tinny, as he used to call them, on the go. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
He asked my husband if he wanted to join him. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
So it's basically been from there, talking the old-fashioned way | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
over a garden fence, having a gossip and a laugh. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
He was a lovely man. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
He used to like doing his gardening, meeting people, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
getting his newspaper, having chats to people, or going to play bingo. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
The way he used to dress was very smart. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
Always wore trousers, pair of shoes. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Nice freshly-ironed shirt, very clean shaven, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
hair in place all the time. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
One day, Ronald had a fall in his back garden. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
Lisa called an ambulance and took him to hospital. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
Sadly, he never recovered and passed away a month later. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
Before he died, Lisa visited him there on fireworks night. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
He was there on 5th November, which was his actual birthday. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
We were looking out of the window of the hospital. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Ron was saying, "They're celebrating me being in here!" | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Even when he really didn't want to be somewhere, he was still jovial and happy. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
In the office, the team are waiting to hear | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
whether the Jones case is a goer or not. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
Before they commit to a full-scale investigation, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
they need some reassurance that the job is sufficiently high value to be worth their while. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Which is why Rob Smith is in Basildon. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
He's been given the job of finding out how much this case is worth | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
and he's just picked up Ron Jones's death certificate, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
which should contain some vital information to help him in his research. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
It gives his address in Basildon. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
So that's handy. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
We'll go there and make inquiries, see if he owned the property, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
any information about his family. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
But also his date of birth, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
5th November, Guy Fawkes Night, in Islington. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
The date and place of birth of the deceased | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
are crucial bits of information. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
With these key facts, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
the team will be able to start the search for Ronald's wider family. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
First things first. Bob needs to find out what he can by going to Ronald's last known address. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:24 | |
I'm actually making inquiries about next door, Ronald Jones. Oh, yes. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
We're trying to trace his next of kin. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
He apparently has left an estate, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
whatever that is, money in the bank, whatever, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
and the family need to know because they're entitled to it. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
-Yeah. -All right? OK, but number three? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
All right, lovely, thanks. Bye. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Bob moves on to the next house. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
The office are depending on him to find out | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
whether Ronald Jones's estate is worth anything | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
and to come up | 0:06:57 | 0:06:58 | |
with some information about family members who could inherit. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
He's been in this game a long time and knows that only persistence brings results. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
And sure enough... | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
He did have some children, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
-but from what I can make out, they were estranged. -Right. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
I believe he's got one or two daughters that live somewhere in London. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
Bingo. Bob has struck gold. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
According to this neighbour, Ronald Jones has children living in London. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
Apparently they were estranged from their father, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
but they would still inherit any money. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Bob also discovers that the estate has some value. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
Although Ronald didn't own his house, when his property was cleared after his death, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
a jaw-dropping discovery was made. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
£40,000 in cash. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
That's lovely. Thanks very much. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
This is a great result for Bob. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Thanks to him, the team now know that Ronald has two estranged daughters | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
who would be the sole heirs to their father's £40,000 estate. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
But where there's money, Bob knows there will probably be competition from the 30 or so | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
other heir hunting companies. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
And he's still dealing with one of the most common surnames in the UK. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
There's a long way to go before this case is solved. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Back in the office, the team now have the crucial information | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
they need to get to work. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
The heir hunters now know they are dealing with | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
what they call a direct kin case. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
This means the deceased had children that can inherit. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
The heir hunters know that once they've found them, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
it will be job done. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:32 | |
Researcher Debbie has been online looking for birth records for Ronald Jones's children. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:38 | |
She's made an interesting discovery. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Apparently the deceased, Mr Ronald Jones, had four kids, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
was married before. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
So we're speculatively looking at marriages for him. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
According to the information Debbie's found online, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Ronald had four children, not two like the neighbour said. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
London is full of Joneses, so finding them will be like looking for a needle in a haystack. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
The one lead they have is they know Ronald was born in Islington, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
a fact gleaned from his death certificate, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
so it's the best place to start looking for other family members. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Case manager David Pacifico has taken charge of the investigation. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
-Did you speak to Bob? -No, I left a message. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
The first thing he does is to recruit another travelling heir hunter, Bob Barrett. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
-Are you in Hammersmith? -No, Chelsea Bridge now. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
-Could you go to Islington? -Right. -Thanks, Bob. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
Bob heads off to collect Ron's birth certificate from Islington register office | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
and to see what other Jones family records he can find there. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
While Bob makes his way across London, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
David Pacifico is trying to consolidate what they know so far about this case. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
Jones. Now, this is a case where we found out from a neighbour | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
that he had about £40,000 in cash in the house. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
A council house but 40,000, so well worth looking at. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
I've got Bob Barrett going to Islington to pick up the birth | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
of the deceased, Ronald Jones, hoping it might give us good information. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
Hopefully some decent names of the parents. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
But Noel's already working on identifying Ronald's parents | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
and amazingly, he strikes lucky. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Out of all the Jones marriages registered in Islington, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
the first one he finds is the right family. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Brinley. Dad's Brinley Jones, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
married September 1930. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Islington. She's Alice Hall. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Ronald's parents were Brinley Jones and Alice Hall. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
Brinley and Alice had three children, Ronald, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
a son Brinley and a daughter, Doris. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
We've done a death search of Brinley Jones Junior. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
He died in Brentwood in 1998. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
His address was in Basildon, same place as the deceased guy. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
We've just found out the phone number of his widow. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
David's going out now. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
If she's there now, hopefully we might get a few answers. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
This is a great result for the team. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
If they can speak to Brinley's widow, she may be able to give them some vital information | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
about Ronald's marriage and the whereabouts of his children. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
But after all that, she's not in, so David has to leave a message. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
We're trying to trace the descendants of a Brinley Jones | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
and Alice Jones, formerly Hall, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
which I'm hoping were the parents to Brinley Jones, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
particularly about a possible brother that he may have had by the name of Ronald. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
It's frustrating for the team. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
Somewhere out there in London, Ronald Jones's children | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
are entitled to share their father's estate. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
For the time being, all the heir hunters can do is keep looking for them. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Coming up... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:07 | |
Hang on. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:08 | |
The team make a breakthrough. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
She's either living at this address, or this one. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
But for David, it comes at a price. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
God! Never like that, never like these sort of cases. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Most of the time, the heir hunters are looking for the heirs of people who lived ordinary, everyday lives. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
But once in a blue moon, they come across an extraordinary individual | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
whose legacy touched thousands of people all over the world. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
This was the case with Timothy Alan Rose. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
When Gareth Langford of heir hunters, Fraser & Fraser, first started investigating, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
the name meant nothing to him, but all that was about to change. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
When the case was first advertised, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
all the information we had was his name, Timothy Alan Rose. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
He died in 2002 in Westminster. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
From that death, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
we knew he was born in 1940, and then the problems started. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
Timothy Alan Rose died on 24th September, 2002, in Westminster in London. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:10 | |
But mysteriously, his estate didn't appear on the Treasury's list | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
until eight years later, in 2010. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
The only other information Gareth had was his date of birth. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
He had no idea about the value of the estate, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
so he didn't even know if the case would be worth pursuing. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
The first thing Gareth did was to look around for a birth certificate. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
He found one for a Timothy Rose that seemed to fit, but he couldn't be sure. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
The birth that we were looking at was a plain Timothy | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
and it was in slightly the wrong quarter. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
We would have expected him to be born in 1940, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
and we had the birth in 1941. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
So he didn't have the second Christian name | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
and he was in the wrong year. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
We basically had a question of, "Do we work the family that we had the birth certificate | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
"that we didn't like, or do we go and get the birth certificate?" | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
What we decided to do was both. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
While Dominic went to order the death certificate from Westminster Register Office, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
the team got busy researching the family of this Tim Rose | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
without a middle name. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
It wasn't long before they'd made fantastic progress, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
even lining up several beneficiaries who would be entitled to inherit. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
It looked like this job would be all sewn up in a matter of hours. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
But then the death certificate arrived back in the office and changed everything. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
Two main things that came from the death certificate. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
The first one was that the family we had been working was wrong. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
We knew that for two reasons, one because the date of birth was wrong, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
but also, more importantly, our deceased was born in America. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
For Gareth, this was potentially bad news. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
If Tim was American, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
then it was likely that his heirs would be American as well, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
which means the whole case would have to be handed over to the company's US associates. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
But just when this case was looking like a real non-starter, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
another key fact leapt off the page. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
The second bit of information was that he was a singer-songwriter. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
As Dom was telling me on the phone, his occupation, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
I immediately thought "We've got to look on the internet for this chap." | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
If Tim Rose was a successful musician, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
then Gareth was expecting that there would be some information about him online | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
that would give this investigation a helping hand. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
But what he actually found was much better than he could ever have hoped for. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
There was a wealth of information about him, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
including biographies, the music he had done over the years and footage. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:40 | |
It seems that Tim Rose was not your average jobbing musician. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
One of the first things that Gareth came across when he looked online | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
was a clip of Tim on the Jools Holland Show in 1997. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mr Tim Rose! | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
Tim had been invited on to the programme to perform the song, Hey Joe. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
This was the track that brought him recognition | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
and later turned into an international hit for Jimi Hendrix. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
# Hey Joe | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
# Where are you going with that money in your hand? # | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
The more Gareth read, the more intrigued he became | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
as he came across tribute after tribute to Tim Rose. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
He's a connoisseur's artist, really. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
He's the sort of person that if you know a lot about | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
a certain type of music, you'd go towards Tim Rose. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
He was obviously highly regarded by both the critics | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
and his fellow musicians. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
Tim was a great performer. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
George Harrison wanted him to record With A Little Help From My Friends. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
He had a voice which could move | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
through all the emotions. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
It could go from tender to hard-edged, to rock. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
I had never heard anything like Tim Rose before. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
There was nothing around like Tim Rose. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
# I said, I said | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
# Hey, hey Joe | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
# Hey, hey | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
# Hey, Joe! | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
# Waah! | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
-# Waah! # -APPLAUSE | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
From everything that he had read online, it was clear | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
to Gareth that despite being an American, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
Tim had most of his success in the UK. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
It seems he moved over here in the late '60s | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
and started working with professional roadie, Martin Hughes. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
It was the beginning of a 40-year friendship. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
I took Tim down to Hastings for his first gig here. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
I didn't know what to expect but when I stood at the side | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
of the stage, and he started up, that did it for me. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
He grabbed me straight away. He was demanding, but he was so talented. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
Tim's career in the music industry spanned four decades, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
but it was anything but consistent. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
In the '70s, the gigs dried up and he left London | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
and went back to the States, where he fell on hard times. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
He hit the bottle quite strongly for one period of time. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
He sold everything, his car, his home, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
even some guitars. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
Tim eventually pulled himself back from the brink. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Over the next 20 years or so, he did a variety of jobs, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
all of them far removed from the music business. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
But one day, he picked up his guitar again. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
The bug got him again, and he just, you know, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
one thing led to another and back he came. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Tim moved back to the UK. He recorded a few albums | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
and went out on the road again doing what he loved best. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Playing to his loyal fans. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
But sadly, by the late '90s, he was suffering from cancer | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
and in a lot of pain. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
His friends tried to tell him to slow down, but he wouldn't, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
he just wanted to work, so he was taking everything on. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Ignoring advice from his doctors, Tim went ahead | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
and had an operation to remove the tumour. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
He didn't survive the surgery | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
and died the day after his 62nd birthday. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
He was in the middle of his latest tour. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
If you listen to the man or look at any decent footage of him, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
he was born to perform. Music was him. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
For Gareth, all this information was extremely encouraging. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
If Tim Rose was a successful singer-songwriter, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
it was likely there would be some value to his estate. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
But Gareth still didn't have any leads on Tim's heirs. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
For that, the team had to sift | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
through the biographical sections of the websites. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
They soon discovered that Tim was born on September 23rd, 1940 in Washington DC. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
He was an only child whose parents were Harold and Mary Rose. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
Harold was described as an absent father | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
and Tim was brought up by his mother and an unnamed aunt. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
One of the things that we've often found with the internet | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
is that some of the information is correct and some is wrong. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
However, in this case, I think we are on the right path, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
because we not only had his own website saying this information, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
we also had other sources as well, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
and they're all pretty much saying exactly the same thing. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Gareth was now confident that he had built up an accurate picture of Tim's close family. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
He knew that his parents were Harold and Mary, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
and that he was an only child, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
so there were no siblings who could inherit. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
But the interesting figure in all this | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
was the unidentified aunt who had helped bring Tim up | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
and was mentioned on so many of the websites. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
If this aunt had got married and had children, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
her descendants would be Tim Rose's heirs. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Could she be the key to this entire heir hunt? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
Coming up... The heir hunters uncover | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
the harsh realities of talented Tim Rose's career in the music business. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
Tim is the classic nearly-man of rock music. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
He was almost there on several occasions. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
Could you be the heir they've been searching for? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
thousands or even millions of pounds? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and today we're focusing on three names. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
Edmund James Peddie died on 4th January 2009 in Coventry. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
Edmund had a wife, whose maiden name was thought to be Powell. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
If no heirs of Edmund's are found, his money will go to the government. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
William James Kingdon died on 19th January 2007 in Clapham, London. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:52 | |
Kingdon is an Anglo-Saxon name, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
from the parish of Kingsdon near Somerton in Somerset. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
The greatest concentrations of Kingdons in the country live in Exeter. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
Does anyone remember William? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
Brenda Gagg died on 24th April 1998, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
aged 78 in Radford, Nottingham. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
Gagg is a very rare surname in Britain. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Only six people in a million have it, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
and the majority of them live in Torquay. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Brenda left no will, and so far no one has come forward to claim her estate. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
If the names Edmund Peddie, William Kingdon or Brenda Gagg | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
mean anything to you, or someone you know, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Heir hunters, Fraser & Fraser, are searching for the heirs | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
to Ronald Jones' £40,000 estate. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
The case had got off to a slow start. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Neil wasn't sure that it would be worth enough to justify | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
a full investigation. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
On this case of Jones, I've really no idea about the value | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
but I don't like turning cases down. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Then travelling heir hunter, Bob Smith, made a startling discovery. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
He heard that after Ronald had died, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
they had found £40,000 in cash stashed around his house. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
Ronald's friend Lisa was there when the money was found, and she couldn't believe | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
where he had hidden it all. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
Behind wardrobes, in coat pockets, in suit jackets, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
detachable hoods from coats. There was a large amount of money that he'd put in there. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
I think he probably didn't want to put it in a bank | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
because he probably felt safer with it on him, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
where he could keep an eye on it more than the bank managers, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
probably knowing Ron! | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
The team are working on the theory that this case involves near kin. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
The neighbours told them that Ronald had some children, but they were probably estranged. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
Their best hope of tracing these children is to go back | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
through Ronald's family and find someone who remembers them | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
or knows of their whereabouts. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
The dad is Brinley Jones. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
Researcher, Noel, found a phone number for Ronald's brother, Brinley's, widow, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
but she wasn't in to take the call. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
But then suddenly, he makes another breakthrough. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Hang on. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
She is either living at this address or this address. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
He's managed to track down Brinley's widow's daughter. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
David heads off to try his luck again. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
Would I be right in saying you would be the daughter of a Brinley John Jones? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Brinley's daughter is in, and better still, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
her mum is visiting her and is happy to speak to David. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
Mrs Jones, I represent a company of probate researchers in London. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
We're trying to track down the closest next of kin | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
of your brother-in-law, Ronald Jones. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
The closest ones obviously would be his children. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Jennifer? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
What about Kathleen? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Brinley's widow tells David that Ronald's wife was called Lydia | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
and they had two daughters, Jennifer and Kathleen. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
But she also has news about the two other children. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
What, when they were very young? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
David has learnt that the two other children, Martin and Jacqueline, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
died when they were infants in a car accident. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Sadly, it seems that the stress of this tragedy took its toll | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
and Ronald and Lydia later divorced. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Worse still, Lydia was recently killed in another road accident. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
Well, you have given us a lot of information | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
and I'm sure we can track them down. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
How old would Jennifer and Kathleen be now? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Would they be sort of... | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Thank you very much indeed, Mrs Jones. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
David has uncovered the sad story of a family dogged by tragedy. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
What's more, it seems that Brinley's widow | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
hasn't seen her nieces in years, so not only were they estranged | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
from their father, but from his whole side of the family. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
David checks back in with the team. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
I spoke to the mother. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
They knew that Ronald died. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
-So this is correct? -This is correct. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
Now it's been confirmed that there are only two heirs, it's all systems go for the heir hunters. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
David calls travelling researcher, Bob Barratt. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
He's at Islington register office looking for birth and marriage certificates | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
for Ronald Jones and his family. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
Can you just hold fire a minute? I think we're going to work a few things out. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
OK, so we don't want anything from Islington? | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Basically, what we're going to get is probably irrelevant now. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
We've got the names of the children, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
we've got a married name of one of the daughters. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
I think this'll come out in North London, but I'm not sure whereabouts at the moment. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
No problem, OK, cheers. Bye. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Bob Barratt is standing by awaiting his next instructions, so David gets back to the hunt. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
He knows he's very close | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
to finding an address for one of Ronald's daughters, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
and sure enough... | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
This is Kathleen's address. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
David gets straight back on the phone. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Bob, David. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
I have got an address in Islington, London N1. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
See if you can get any joy at that address. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
We're plugging away, but that's the closest we've got so far. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-OK, I will go round there now and see how we get on. -Thanks. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
It's now over to Bob Barrett. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
He's got an address, so he can finally swing into action. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
But on a case like this one, he knows he needs to tread carefully. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
You never quite know what you're walking into | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
with a relationship as close as this. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
I do not know whether... | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
Whether I'll find Kathleen, but if I do, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
I don't know how she's going to react to the news | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
that her father has died. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
Near-kin cases are very hard for the heir hunters. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
They often involve unhappy stories of estrangement | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
and the team have to be prepared for the difficult task | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
of breaking the news that someone's children or parents have died. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
On this occasion, it turns out Kathleen isn't at home, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
but Bob does manage to speak to her neighbour. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
-Hi. -Hello. I've finally found it. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Hello, I'm trying to trace Kathleen Hogg at number 14. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
-I am from a company called Fraser & Fraser. -OK, Kathleen Hogg. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
She's a friend of mine, I have her phone number. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
I will just go and get it for you. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
-Does she still live there? -Yes, she does. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Now that Bob has a phone number for Kathleen, it is time for him to call back to the office. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
-David Pacifico, please. -Hold the line, please. -Thank you. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
-Hi, Bob. -Kathleen Hogg does still live at that address. -OK. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:48 | |
I have a mobile telephone number for Mrs Hogg | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
and I was wondering if it might be better | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
-if someone from the office rings, rather than me on a mobile. -Sure. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
This will be a difficult phone call for David to make, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
but the heir hunters always try to respect the family's feelings. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
I'm sorry to trouble you. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
I'm sorry, I don't know how to say this, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
but unfortunately, it's to do with your father. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
I'm sorry to say that he has since passed away. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
We're trying to trace his next of kin, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
which it would seem would be yourself and your sister. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
What I'm hoping that we could do is discuss the matter in more detail | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
because it's obviously difficult over the phone. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Thank you, bye. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
God, I never like that, I never like these sort of cases. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
-That was Kathleen. -Kathleen. -That was Kathleen. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Kathleen was very upset to hear the news of her father's death | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
but she has agreed to meet with Bob Barrett. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
I've mentioned about, obviously, her father's passed away. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
-Also mentioned that we've spoken to one of her sister-in-law daughters. -Right. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:01 | |
-I had to be totally open about it. I hate these cases. -I know. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
-Telling someone a parent's died. -It's awful, isn't it? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Bob sets off for Kathleen's son's house, where she's been staying. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
He's about to meet his first heir on this case, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
which is a key moment in any heir hunt. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
He also knows that Kathleen has just heard that her father has died | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
so he wants this experience to be as painless as possible for her. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
-Bob Barrett from Fraser & Fraser. I think you're expecting me. -Yes. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
I mean, I'm sorry that we had to break the news about your dad. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
You hadn't seen him for a while. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
I think I was about 29 the last time I saw him. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
I was very close to my dad when he was with my mum. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
They split up when I was about seven and a half, eight. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
Then he moved to Australia, so we lost contact. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
Bob tells Kathleen about the money that her and her sister are set to inherit. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
I know talking about money is not... | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
As you say, your father's died. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
But apparently there is about £40,000 in cash, I don't know whether David mentioned it to you, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:10 | |
that was found in the house. Whether that was... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Presumably, who knows, savings over many years. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
He may have won the lottery the week before, who knows? | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
He always had money, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
but I never expected him to have savings, do you know what I mean? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
He was always a free-hearted man. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Kathleen is happy for the company to help her make a claim for her inheritance | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
in return for a percentage. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
She signs up there and then. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
-Thanks ever so much, nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. -Bye. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
Kathleen has given Bob her sister Jennifer's phone number | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and address, so Bob heads off to see her, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
leaving Kathleen to consider the desperately sad news she's just received. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
I often thought about him, you know. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I wondered what he was up to. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
I thought if he wanted to see me, then he'd contact me, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:08 | |
do you know what I mean? | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
You sort of let things slide, don't you? | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Although Kathleen hasn't seen her dad for many years, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
she remembers him as a charismatic figure. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
Yeah, when he took us out that time when he came to visit us | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
when I hadn't seen him for ages and I was calling him Dad. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
"Don't call me Dad. I don't want people to think I'm old!" | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
At your age and grandkids, you know! Made me laugh. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
He picked me up in his arms when I opened the door. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
He picked me up in his arms and swung me round | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
and he was like... | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
You know... | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
I did think we'd see each other again. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
It's very sad. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Bob's arrived at Kathleen's sister Jennifer's house, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
prepared for another emotional meeting. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
As before, David Pacifico has called ahead to break the sad news. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
Nice to meet you, Bob Barrett. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
Like her sister Kathleen, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
Jennifer is happy for the company to help and signs an agreement on the spot. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
I'll leave that with you. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
File these away before I lose them. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
What a surprise, what a shock. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
You wouldn't expect this when you got out of bed this morning. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
I would have liked him to be alive | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
so I could have introduced him to my family. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
As Bob heads off, Jennifer is also left to reflect | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
on her long-lost father. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
I didn't know him enough, you know. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
My mum left him, you see. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
She went to live with my nan with me and my sister after the car accident. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
I didn't see him again until I was about 15. He came up to our house. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
It would have been nice to know he'd written a will for me and my sister. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
But... | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
It's not really, you know... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
He's not left it to us, has he? | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
With both heirs signed with the company, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
Bob calls into the office to speak to Dave | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
and reflect on what's been a difficult day for both of them. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
Hello, Bob. I gather you've had another lengthy interview. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
I don't know how much the daughters mentioned. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Did they want to know more about their father? | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
They both seem quite upset about not having seen him for so long. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
I think they'd probably appreciate a bit more information about him. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
Isn't it a shame? They're wondering about him. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
-And it's too late, yeah. -Yeah. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
But it seems there is a chance for Kathleen and Jennifer | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
to find some comfort amidst their grief. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Ronald's friend and neighbour, Lisa, | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
has been on the phone to the office, offering to speak to them. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
In his final days, Ronald had asked to see his daughters | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
but Lisa hadn't known how to find them. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Now she can put that right. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
I think it'll be one of his biggest regrets | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
that he didn't keep in contact with them, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
especially as the last few days | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
before he passed, he'd asked to see them. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Ron would want his daughters to have his money | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
because he would probably want to use that to build the bridge | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
from maybe where it collapsed when they didn't | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
speak to each other for so long. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
Whatever Ronald's last wishes actually were, in the end, thanks to the heir hunters, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
his money will go to his closest living relatives, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
his two daughters, Jennifer and Kathleen. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
Heir hunter, Gareth Langford, was trying to find the heirs | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
of American singer-songwriter, Tim Rose. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
After quite a bit of research, he discovered this gifted musician was an only child, | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
raised by his mother and a mysterious aunt | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
who so far hasn't been named. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Gareth was pinning his hopes on this aunt having married | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
and had children. As Tim's cousins, they would be in line to inherit. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
But despite all these hours of hard work and amazing discoveries, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
sadly, for Gareth, it looked like the hunt in England was over. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
Once we'd read through all the information on the internet, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
it became apparent quite quickly there was very little we could do over here. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
He didn't marry. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
He was a bachelor, so there was no marriage to look for. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
He wasn't born over here, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
and it doesn't appear any of his family came over here either. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
At that stage, we had to hand it over to our American colleagues | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
and see if they came up with any good leads. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
But for the time being, all Gareth could do was wait | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and the chances are, he'd have to wait quite a while. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
Heir hunting in the US is a very different proposition. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
Unlike the UK, they have no centralised record office for births, marriages and deaths, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
and each state has its own rules | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
governing the release of this information. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
Several days went by before Gareth heard anything at all | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
and when he did hear back, it wasn't good news. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
It appears that maybe the deceased was an only child of parents | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
who were only children. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
This was a real blow to the whole investigation. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
That would mean there was no possibility of finding any heirs on this case. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
But Gareth wasn't giving up yet. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Why would so many different sources on the internet talk about an aunt if she didn't exist? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
The more he read about Tim, the more convinced he became | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
that there was going to be some value in this estate. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
The reason why the case was only very recently advertised | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
is a bit of a mystery. The deceased died in 2002, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
but his estate was only advertised on the list in 2010. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
I don't know exactly why that's happened, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
but one obvious reason is that his albums are selling. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
Royalties are due to him, and his estate needs to be settled. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
As a published singer-songwriter, Tim would have been earning royalties | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
from the sale and performance of his records throughout his life | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
and that would have continued from the eight years since his death. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
The reality is that even after you've died, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
you can earn money from your performances and your work | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
for quite some time. Provided they're sold, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
provided they're played on radio or TV or in public places, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
accounts are made and by the end of the year it all tots up to being, hopefully, a significant sum. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
But how many records did Tim Rose sell over his chequered career? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
And were they still selling even after his death? | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
I think Tim is the classic nearly-man of rock music. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
He was almost there on several occasions. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
There were several times where he nearly had a hit single in this country. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
He went on Top Of The Pops, he was on the radio a lot, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
he was playing live and getting lots of acclaim and good reviews, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
but it didn't quite happen. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
The highlight of Tim Rose's career was his first solo album, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
so he peaked early. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:08 | |
It is a classic of its time, there's no doubt about it, it's a great album. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
One track on that record, Hey Joe, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
would prove to be the most important of Tim's career, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
but what success he had was soon overshadowed by another up-and-coming American artist. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
Very shortly after Tim did a version of the song, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
Jimi Hendrix had a hit single with a slow version of the song | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
that sounds very, very similar to Tim's version, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and he felt hard done by. Hendrix had the big hit with the song, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
but Tim had done the arrangement. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
Although Tim was disappointed that he never made the big time, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
in the end, it was the music and the fans that mattered. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
His first London show for nearly 20 years at the Half Moon pub in Putney, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
and it was absolutely packed. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
A lot of people remembered him at the time, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
and then a subsequent generation of people got into him as his records had been reissued. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
You could almost see him being blown away by the response. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
Very touchingly, I thought, at the end of the show, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
he stood at the door and shook hands with every member of the audience as they left. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
It was like a vicar saying "goodbye" to people leaving church. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Only a few years after that sensational comeback, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
Tim's fans gathered at the Half Moon again. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
But this time, it was for his wake. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Martin still comes here every year to remember his friend. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
Today is Tim's birthday. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:33 | |
It's the day I come up to London to tidy the grave. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
I've called in here for a drink at the same time | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
and bring back a few memories. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
When I play one of his CDs now, which I did on the way up here, in the car, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:47 | |
it always means the same to me. The man is not dead, he's still with us. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
He's left his imprint on life, hasn't he? | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
I mean, we can't get him back, but we can keep the music. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Tim was never in the first rank of rock 'n' roll earners, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
but his records were still selling to fans and connoisseurs, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
long after his death. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
And with the royalties that accrued over the years, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
it turns out that the nearly-man of rock may have left a sizable legacy, after all. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
Mr Tim Rose! | 0:41:15 | 0:41:16 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
But after all that, this heir hunt | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
was still in the hands of the Americans. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
And unless they could find Tim's missing aunt, then any money that he had left behind | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
would be going straight to the government. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
But two weeks later, Frasers got some fantastic news. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
Some records had turned up in America that proved that the aunt did exist | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
and, what's more, she had living descendants. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
We've just heard back from our agents in America. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
It's good news, really. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
It sounds like they've found beneficiaries. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
At the moment, I don't know the full extent of the family. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Certainly all the agreements have been sent to them | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
and they've spoken to all of them. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
They're aware, but we're waiting for the reports to come through. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
For Neil, it's a satisfying end to a very different kind of investigation. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
We've been able to identify a case, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
a case which we think has got value, even though initial thoughts | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
indicated there probably wasn't going to be any value. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
We've been able to find the beneficiaries. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
We're the first people to find those beneficiaries and we've spoken to them. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
We're in a very, very good position. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
Fingers crossed now, a waiting game really, to see if the contracts come back to us. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
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