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Every Thursday morning across the UK, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
heir hunting companies scan the Treasury's list of recent estates | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
that belong to people who died without leaving a will. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
In London, one company has found an estate | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
that could be worth up to a quarter of a million pounds! | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
They're racing to find long lost relatives who have no idea | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
they could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
On today's programme... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
the heir hunters get the inside scoop on a £250,000 case. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
But it's not all plain sailing! | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
In future, when you say you've got a list, show me the list. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
And the heirs to one woman's estate are stunned to inherit | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
from someone they've never even met! | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
I never, ever dreamed that somebody we had never heard of | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
would leave something to us. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Plus how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
where beneficiaries need to be found. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Could you be in line for a cash payout? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
die without leaving a will. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
any money that's left behind goes to the Government. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
And last year, they raked in a whopping £12 million | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
There are over 30 specialist firms competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
They're called Heir Hunters and their business | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
is to track down missing relatives | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
I make sure the Government doesn't seize assets | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
which do not belong to them. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
It's early on a Thursday morning and overnight, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
the Treasury has advertised a new list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
In London, Heir Hunting company Fraser and Fraser | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
are scouring the lists for cases to investigate. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
But not all estates come to them through the Treasury. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
They use a variety of sources to try and get exclusive access | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
to estates before they become public knowledge. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
OK, thanks ever so, bye. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
What we have is what we call reporters. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
We've quite a few people out in the field, field agents really. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
They inform us when they come across what could be an estate. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Whether that's an empty house, a notice in the local paper, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
whether it's something that's gone through the coroner's office | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
or just word of mouth. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Getting the inside scoop on a case before the other companies find out, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
means zero competition for the heir hunters and partner, Neil Fraser, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
has just been given an exciting tip off from one of his field agents. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
OK, bye. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
One of them has just given me some information. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
That information sort of indicates that we possibly have an estate | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
which is possibly going to the Treasury Solicitor. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Value wise, we're looking at quite a large amount, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
possibly up to £250,000. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
As this estate is potentially more valuable | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
than what has appeared on the Treasury's list, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Neil makes this case a priority. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
His first move is to get all the team ready for action. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
You're in Reading. OK, can you stop in Reading for a minute? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Put the handbrake on. It's £250,000. It's a proper job. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
The field agent has given Neil all the information he can | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
about the deceased. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
He was called Howard Whittles, | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
he died in April 2010 and they know he owned a property. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:05 | |
We think he was born in Sheffield, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
so we're going to start looking around Sheffield for his birth | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
and from there, the parents' marriage and possible siblings. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
Howard Whittles died aged 71. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
He was a bachelor | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
and had lived in Minehead in Somerset for over 15 years. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
A keen sportsman and walker, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
his death came as a great loss to his close friends. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Keith Williams was Howard's walking partner | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
and he remembers an outgoing, determined man. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Howard loved his walking, his hill walking. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
He never took a map anywhere he went. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
He just knew that way and that was the way to go. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Howard was diagnosed with throat cancer in the late 1980s | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
and eventually had to have his voice box removed. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
His health took another blow later on in life | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
It was a frustrating blow for a man who enjoyed an active lifestyle. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
I miss him quite a bit. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
I miss going out to see him on a Sunday morning | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
and even when he was not very well, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
it was nice to go out and have a chat with him. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Very sad when he did go. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
But even at the height of his illness, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
he remained a determined, single minded and energetic character. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:29 | |
I do miss Howard. I miss not just the presence, but Howard. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
He was enthralled by cricket | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
because he used to spend most of his time watching cricket matches. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
Howard was more than just an armchair cricket fan. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
Before he moved to Somerset, he had lived and worked in London | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
where he was an active member of his local cricket club. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Almost two decades later, his former team mates still remember him | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
as a man who lived and breathed the sport. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
I would say, without doubt, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
he was one of the best off spin bowlers | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
we either played with | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
or played against. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
He certainly had a gift and well respected in the team | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
and if I was skippering today, I'd love to have him on my side. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
Howard had plenty of friends | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
but the heir hunters' main concern is whether he had family. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
The case is handed over to senior manager, David Pacifico | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
and as one of Fraser's oldest employees, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
the £250,000 hunt is in experienced hands. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
Do you want to pop Bob on to me then? I'm dealing with this case now. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
David gets researcher, Alan, to do the immediate legwork. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Thanks, Alan. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
Using the birth record, he quickly works out who Howard's parents were. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Heir hunters use essential information like this | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
to make family trees. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
These are like roadmaps through someone's ancestry | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
and should show the way to heirs. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Grandparents, by the way are... | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
He marries as Harry Whittles, March 21st in Sheffield. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
The family Alan has discovered | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
all seem to have their roots in Sheffield. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Howard was born there in 1938 | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
to parents Harry and Fanny who both died in the 1970s. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
Alan has also found the parents' marriage records and from this, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
he uses Fanny's maiden name to trace any potential births | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
for brothers or sisters of the deceased. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
He's in luck. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
-Thank you very much, Alan. -It's early days | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
but he's already found a woman who could be Howard's sister. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
The exclusive nature of this case means the heir hunters aren't | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
competing against other firms | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
and this allows them to work in a more relaxed way. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
So instead of rushing to speak to potential heirs on the phone, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
they're going to send one of their travelling researchers to the North, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
to try and meet relatives in person. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
Right, let me speak to Bob Barrett first of all. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
Hello. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
-We want to try and get this family signed up as soon as possible. -Sure. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
Neil knows nothing beats a face-to-face meeting | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
when it comes to getting heirs to sign on the dotted line. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
This means the beneficiaries will allow the firm to handle their case | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
and in return, they'll pay them a pre-agreed percentage of the estate. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
The one-to-one touch, the personal relationship we can build | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
when you can look someone in the eye and tell them what it's all about, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
is far better than someone over the phone. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
That's why we send people travelling. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Ex policeman, Bob Barrett, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
is one of Fraser and Fraser's squadron of travellers | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
who are willing to go wherever a case takes them. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
Based all over the UK and abroad, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
their job is to follow the clues and sniff out potential heirs | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
and inform them of their deceased relative's estate. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Sorry to send you up north again. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
This one has become important, you know. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Yes, sure, I'll head up there and get some details from you later. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Thanks, Bob. Bye. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Bob will be heading to Chesterfield | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
where the team think Howard's sister and other siblings live. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Although it'll be an expensive 400 mile round trip, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
the team are hoping it's a gamble that will pay off. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
David hasn't spoken to any potential heirs yet, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
but with Bob en route, it's time to get on the phone. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
I'm going to try and contact someone who will be a sister of the deceased. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
But it's not a good start. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
It must be a nice day. Everyone seems to be out. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
I can't get through to the sister. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
David's not too worried because with no competition on the case, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
he can afford to wait and call back later. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
In the meantime, Alan's tracking down Howard's other siblings. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
I believe, but I'm not 100% certain that the brother was in the Army, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
so it's quite probable, being in the Army, he was fairly mobile. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
Howard's potential heirs are coming thick and fast, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
but David still hasn't managed to speak to any of them. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
'Hello. Your call cannot be taken at the moment.' | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
We've got a nephew that I've got no phone number for | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
living in WC2, London, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
who we think his father may be dead now. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Nice working case, but without the hassle of other companies. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Well done. Excellent. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
In the research room, Alan has managed to confirm a potential sibling. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
It's the brother he found earlier, and it looks like he's still alive. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
I know he was alive a few years ago because he was mentioned on his sister's will. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
I believe I have an address for him. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Across the office, David has finally had some success. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
He's to spoken to one of Howard's sisters who lives in Sheffield, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
and he's made an appointment for Bob to go and see her. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
If only all heir hunts were this easy. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
Hello, Bob. I was going to phone you actually. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
-I just made contact with the sister of the deceased... -Oh, right. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
..who's very happy to meet with us. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
I said about 3.45 this afternoon in Sheffield. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
The team are making very good progress. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
They've found that Howard had seven brothers and sisters | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
and this has led them to four possible heirs to his estate. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Three of Howard's siblings died without children, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
but one brother and two sisters are still alive, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
and there's a niece from his late sister. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
I think that's the extent of the family on this, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
so we're talking about, I think, four people. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
It's over to Bob Barrett now to make contact, you know, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
personal contact, which we wanted to do as soon as possible. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Bob's still cruising his way up North. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
He has three heirs to visit, and he hopes to sign them all. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Bob, it's David. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Just to say I've just received a call back from the other sister. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
She's happy to see you later on. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
That's all four heirs accounted for and meetings set up - | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
a cracking result for the team. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
So, basically, we're in touch with all the family, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
-so it's all tied up now. -Well, that's good then. -It is amazing. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
But then suddenly everything changes. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
One of the researchers has come across records | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
suggesting Howard may have had more brothers and sisters | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
than the team first thought. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
What I'm going to do is to phone the sister back just to clarify | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
something about whether or not she knows of any other siblings. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Although there's no competition on the case at the moment, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
this is still a worry. If the team miss any heirs now, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
their rivals could sign them up at a later date | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
and that would mean losing out on valuable commission. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
David calls Howard's sister to see if the new information is true. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
Does the name Iris and Stuart Whittles mean anything to you? | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Did Stuart actually survive to adulthood then? Oh, he's got children? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
So, in other words, there's two more beneficiaries here? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
-Are you in touch with them at all? -It seems the paperwork is correct. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
David wants these loose ends tied up as quickly as possible. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
We've got two more beneficiaries on this. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
Two children may still be in the Sheffield area. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Can you see if you can locate them? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Armed with this new information, the team springs into action. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
To have relatives unaccounted for | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
is the heir hunters' worst nightmare, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
and Alan can't understand why no-one told them before. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
No mentions have been made of Stewart by the family, so... | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
I don't know why. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:49 | |
Coming up, as David tries to tie up the loose ends | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
of the Whittles' family tree, he gets the shock of his life - | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
it looks like they're not the only company chasing Howard's heirs. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
When did you...? When did they speak to you? Competition on it now. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
To be sure of making a healthy profit, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
the biggest Heir Hunting firms try to only chase the highest-value cases. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
But smaller companies with fewer staff | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
can still turn a profit by taking on estates | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
worth just a few thousand pounds... | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
as long as they can be solved quickly. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Leonora Phelps died in January 2009 aged 81, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
leaving no will and with no known relatives. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
She passed away in Runcorn, a small industrial town and port | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
sited on the southern bank on the river Mersey. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
A retired receptionist, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
she spent most of her career working for a large chemical manufacturer. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Her old work-mate, Pam, remembers a vibrant lady with a big heart. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
She was just warm and witty. A very, very nice person to work for. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
By all accounts, Leonora stood out from the crowd | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
for a good number of reasons. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
She looked like a model. She was beautiful. She really was. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Good afternoon. Celtic Research. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
In 2010, Saul Marks of heir-hunting company Celtic Research | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
took on Leonora's case. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
The company has case managers around the UK | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
to quickly find heirs, wherever they may be. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Working alongside father-and-son team, Peter and Hector Birchwood, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
Saul has immersed himself in the world of forensic genealogy. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
You should have it in about ten days, all being well. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Based in the North West, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Saul was in a prime location to take on the case. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Leonora Phelps was a case which was released on a Thursday, as are | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
all the Treasury Solicitor cases, and it caught my eye particularly | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
because she died in a place quite local to our Northwest office. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
She died in Runcorn. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
As with any estate released on the Treasury's list, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
there's always the chance | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
of competing companies chasing the same heirs. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Saul hit the ground running. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
I looked into it using the birth, marriage and death indexes, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
and we knew from the listing that she was a spinster, so she had no | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
children, so the first place we had to look, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
was for brothers and sisters. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Leonora had never married | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
and died without children. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
It was time for Saul to go back up the family tree. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:36 | |
Her mother's maiden name was Wood, and I could then look for other | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
children called Phelps with the mother's maiden name Wood. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
There was one - a sister, Barbara. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
So I looked for her death and I found it. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
We knew then that we would be having to look for children | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
and we didn't find any. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
So, based on that, we came to the conclusion that there were going | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
to be no nieces or nephews of the deceased and we'd have | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
to start looking for cousins. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Saul now turned his attention to tracking down any other | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
relatives Leonora may have. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
We knew that, by and large, we'd be looking for cousins | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
or maybe even descendants of cousins, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
because chances are, quite a few of her cousins would have passed away. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
Saul started on the maternal line of her family. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
He used Lavinia's maiden name of Woods | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
to find her birth certificate from 1888. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Then he matched the details on that, with other births, to try | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
and find her siblings. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:31 | |
I found she was actually one of eight children, so we knew we were | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
going to be dealing with quite a big family on the maternal side. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Leonora's mother had three sisters and four brothers. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
One brother had died without leaving any children, and so had a sister. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Saul was discovering the family had strong links | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
to the Birkenhead area and were still living there today. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
But oddly, Leonora who spent most of her professional life | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
working just up the river in Runcorn, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
seemed to have lost all contact with her wider family. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Friend, Pam, remembers Leonora as a nice, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
but private lady, who never spoke about her life outside of work. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
It was her job as a receptionist for the chemicals giant ICI, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
not her family, that seems to have been | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
the main focus in her life. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Leonora thoroughly enjoyed her job | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
and it showed in her smile | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
and in the way she greeted people. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
She really enjoyed what she did and did it to the best of her ability. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
Leonora was proud to be working as a receptionist for the largest | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
employer in the area. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
Dr Terry Gourvish, from the London School Of Economics, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
understands just how significant ICI was | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
to the local population. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
It was a very large employer. I think there were about 6,500 | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
working at Runcorn as late as 1970, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
so, a lot of people. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
The company was formed in 1926 | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
and became one of the biggest names in the chemical industry. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
Its heyday was from the 1960s through to the '80s, and was | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
the first British company to achieve £1 billion in annual profits. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
Because it was large and successful and indeed, a global company, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
it attracted people. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
People wanted to work for it. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Leonora was one such person. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
As a receptionist, she was front of house | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
and revelled in the responsibility the job brought. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
For many local girls, it would have been a dream job. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
You felt really fortunate to work for ICI, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
and they made you feel special, very special. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
Like Leonora, heir hunter Saul is passionate about his job, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
and decades later, was working hard to try and trace her relatives. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
The first line I looked at was the oldest aunt | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
on the maternal side, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
who was Emily Adelaide Wood, and I established | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
that she had married a gentleman called Ralph Rowland | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and they had two sons. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
Saul discovered one of the sons - William - had also died, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
leaving no children, so he turned his attention to the other, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
who, like his father, was also called Ralph. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
He lived in the area of Tranmere in Birkenhead, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
and was recorded in the Census as a shopkeeper and milkman. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Saul looked for a marriage record for him | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
and went on to discover he'd had two sons - | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
one named Roger, and one named Philip, and Philip | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
lived also fairly close to our Northwest office, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
so I went over to see him. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Saul had found his first heir, and for Philip's wife, Barbara, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
it's a moment she'll not forget in a hurry, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
because she'd just stepped out of the shower. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
I thought he was a salesman, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
and I thought I was going to close the door. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
But he was so nice, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
informative and put me at ease straight away, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
bearing in mind I was in a dressing gown with a towel | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
and a wet face. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
Barbara called Philip, who rushed back to meet Saul. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
All then all I had to do, was wait for Philip to come home, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
to get his signature. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
The name Leonora Phelps meant nothing to Philip | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
and it intrigued him as a keen family historian. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
My wife, daughter and I have looked into | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
her side of the family on occasions, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
and this was an opportunity being presented to us | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
to try and find out a little bit more about my own. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Philip is Leonora's first cousin, once removed, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
but he never met her, or even knew she existed. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
It seems at some point, her parents moved to London for work, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
and although they later returned to the Birkenhead area, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
they failed to rekindle a close family connection. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
That lady is an unknown quantity to me. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
Coming up... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
..it turns out that while Leonora | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
was enjoying her career, her cousins were struggling to make ends meet. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Things became extremely difficult. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
In the UK, the Treasury has a list of over 2000 estates, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
that over the years, have baffled the heir hunters | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
and still remain unclaimed. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
This is money that could have your name on it. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
These estates can stay on the list for up to 30 years, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
and each one could be worth anything | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
from £5000 to many millions. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Today, we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Could they be relatives of yours? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Gwendoline Annesley died in May 2005, aged 91. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
She lived in Streatham, south west London. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Her surname is extremely rare, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
and according to the last census, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
just 250 people in the UK share it. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Despite this, all efforts to trace her heirs have failed. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
Or did you know Stanley Sampson? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
He died in August, 2006 in Dorset. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
His surname is very common to the South West, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
and if no heirs are found for his estate, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
the money will go to the Government. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
Or how about Cissie Madeline Endicott? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
She died aged 84 in Bognor Regis, West Sussex. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Born in 1919, the records show she never married. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
If the names Gwendoline Annesley, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Stanley Sampson or Cissie Madeline Endicott mean anything to you, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
then there could be a windfall on its way. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Heir hunter Saul Marks of Celtic Research | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
took on the case of Leonora Phelps in 2010. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
She had died the previous year, aged 81, leaving no will. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
It seems she was a glamorous and very well-loved lady. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
She was immaculate. Her hair, her make-up, her clothes. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
And just a general warmth. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
Saul quickly tracked down his first heir, Philip Roland. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Philip and his wife Barbara were gobsmacked by the news. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
In thinking about it, I was so surprised. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
I never, ever thought this would happen to me. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
This happens to other people. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Saul traced Philip through his grandfather Ralph, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
who was listed in the census as a shopkeeper and a milk dealer. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
My grandfather ran his own business. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
It was a dairy business in Birkenhead, which he'd built up. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
It was in the times when the corner shop was very much the focal point | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
for everybody in the district. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
It was a very different era. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
Before supermarkets, the corner shop was an important institution, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
at the heart of a community. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Everything they needed for each day, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
they could buy at their local shops. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Food was fresh. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
Didn't have refrigerators. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
So especially dairy goods of all sorts, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
they would need to shop daily. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
The sight of the family's business is now bricked up | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
and has been converted into housing. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
In Philip's grandfather's day, he not only ran the shop, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
but he also bottled and distributed milk to the Tranmere community. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
It was a hard life, and eventually it took its toll. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
My grandfather died when my father was ten. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
He'd been very lucky. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
He'd gone to the local grammar school, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and unfortunately he had to leave, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
and he took the business over | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
when he was about 14, maybe 15 at the most. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
He worked from then through to when he was 68. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
And to the best of my knowledge, he never had a day off. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Leonora and her cousin Ralph's careers could not have been any more different. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
She worked for the large corporate company, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
whilst Ralph was a fiercely independent self-made man. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
The Roland family were very well-known in this local area. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
They were rooted in the local community. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
But hard work and a family's reputation meant nothing | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
in the face of changing times. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
The corner shop was about to be dealt a death blow by the big businesses. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
Then perhaps the first supermarket opened in the area, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
and little local places started to close down. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
The corner shops of this country certainly suffered greatly, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
sadly, because they always had something to offer | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
even if it was only for somebody to come in and have a chat. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Leonora's cousin Ralph, Philip's father, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
eventually sold up the corner shop. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
And by that time, he'd also sold his milk round | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
to a large corporate dairy. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
Whilst just down the river Leonora was at the forefront of a new era | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
of the modern workplace, her cousins certainly were not. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
Big business had changed Ralph's way of life forever. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Although he had found Philip relatively quickly, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Saul still had plenty of heirs to find. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Philip gave me the contact details for a first cousin of his father's. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
And they gave me some more information, which led me | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
to his brother and led me to various other cousins. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Saul made light work of the maternal line and quickly found | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
and visited another ten heirs to Leonora's estate. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
But his job was far from over. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
He still had heirs to find on the paternal side. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
So using the birth, death and census records, he set to work. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
On the paternal side of this family, the father of the deceased | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
was one of three children. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
So it was a much smaller family to have to deal with. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
And there were three cousins of the deceased on that side, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
each of whom will inherit a share in the estate. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
One of those cousins was the daughter of Leonora's paternal uncle Norman. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
Gillian is a first cousin, and still remembers the first time | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
her husband answered the phone to Saul. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
He said, "The phone has just been ringing, and it's Celtic Research. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
"And they really want to know about Leonora. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
"She died last year, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
"and you are one of the few people that might have memories." | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
I was absolutely amazed. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
It had been a long time since Gillian had heard that name. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
I lost track of her movements so long ago. It's like another lifetime. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
I'm really sad about it now, to think that she was alive until last year. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
Um... I could have been in touch. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
The last memories Gillian has of Leonora go back to her childhood. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
I last saw Leonora when she and I were both bridesmaids | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
for her sister Barbara. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
I was ten, so that's quite a few years ago. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
I had very little to do with Leonora during our growing up years, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
because she was probably ten years or more older than I was. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
Also, our fathers had started from Gloucestershire | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
and all migrated in different directions. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Like others, Gillian remembers Leonora as a beautiful, vivacious | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
and bubbly character. But sadly, she was never really known by her true family, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
the family that now will inherit her estate. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
So far, we've found between 15 and 20 heirs. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
And there are a few branches we're still working on, so there may be more. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
For heir Gillian, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
the whole experience has brought the importance of family | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
into sharp focus. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:53 | |
It's sad really, when people have relations... | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
..perfectly fit and able, and travel is so easy these days, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
whereas it used to be difficult. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
We ought to try more to keep in touch. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Howard Whittles also died with no known family in 2010, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
aged 71. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
And he didn't leave a will. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Friends remember him as an intelligent, active man. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
Howard really was a very nice person. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
-Sadly missed. -Yes, I miss the walking and miss his company. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
He was very good company. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
He died leaving an estate worth a quarter of a million pounds | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
and heir hunting company, Fraser and Fraser, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
have taken on his case. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Try working to see if you can get old addresses. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
Partner Neil Fraser got the case through a reporter | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
who works for the firm, and not from the Treasury. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
This means the estate isn't public knowledge | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
and in the world of heir hunting, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
that's a very good thing. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
At the moment it's a case which we probably aren't going | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
to have a huge amount of competition on. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
We don't think any other research firm knows about it. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
With the help of his team, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
case manager David Pacifico found that Howard had eight siblings, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
and he's learnt that some of the Whittles family had become estranged. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
She told me that she had last contact with Howard | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
at the funeral of their father, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
which was in 1971. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
So, we're talking nearly 40 years ago. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
As more information comes through, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
the team are able to start piecing Howard's life together. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
He joined the army in 1958, aged 20, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
and served in the Coldstream Guards | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
for nearly ten years. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
It was a job that would have satisfied any young man's | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
taste for adventure. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:57 | |
They were posted to Kenya. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
It was "Keenya" in those days, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
and from there, they had the commitment in Bahrain, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
and Zanzibar where there was trouble, to restore law and order, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
so really, one would join to see the world. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
They saw plenty of it and I know from that tour, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
everybody in that battalion very much enjoyed their time | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
out in that part of the world. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
Howard would later leave the army with glowing references | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
from his former employers. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
His final report, which would have been from the First Battalion, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
shows how very conscientious Mr Whittles was | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
and it reads that, "He has worked as a senior clerk in the Orderly Room | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
"with a great deal of responsibility. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
"He has proved himself an extremely efficient, intelligent and able man. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
"He is hard-working and very reliable. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
"He is strongly recommended to any civilian employer." | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
And I would just say, that perhaps not every man, on leaving, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
would necessarily have been given that reference. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
Could Howard's life in the Army, which took him all around the world, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
help explain why he had become estranged from his family? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
In the office, David and Alan have little time | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
to contemplate such questions. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Although there's no competition on the case, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
the team are currently playing catch-up. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
You didn't show me this list before. I'd like to have seen that list | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
so I could have questioned him about the names, but anyway, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
can I leave that with you? I'd better go up to... Thanks. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
A last-minute discovery by the team has revealed | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
that Howard may have had two more siblings than they first thought. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
They're now racing to see if these siblings are still alive, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
or if they had children who would be entitled to a share of the estate. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
There were two other siblings of the deceased, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
an Iris, who died as a child, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
and a Stewart, who actually got married and had two children. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Alan has been trawling through the records, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
looking for details of these additional siblings, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
and any of their descendants | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
who could be entitled to a share of Howard's £250,000 estate. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
He's found that Howard's sister Iris died as an infant | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
and his brother Stewart died in his '50s, leaving two children. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
David has a number for one of these children, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Howard's nephew, and he's going to try and set up a meeting. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Hello, Mr Whittles? | 0:34:32 | 0:34:33 | |
I'm sorry to trouble you. I'm speaking from Central London. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
I represent a company of probate researchers called Fras... | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Sorry? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
Um, when did they speak to you? | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
It seems the team no longer have exclusive access to the case | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
and the pressure's on. The time they lost | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
by missing two of Howard's siblings could now come back and haunt them. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I'm going to speak to Bob Barratt. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
We'll have to do it without a fee, I've no option. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
'Bob, hi.' | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
We've got competition on this case. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
This is a disaster for the team. They could now lose the case. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
It's strange they contacted him first. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Competition on it now. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
A case they thought was free of competition is now wide open. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
In future, when you say you've got a list, show me the list. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
Although the competition have spoken to heirs, it doesn't look like | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
they've sent anyone out to meet them, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
so Bob gets straight on the phone to Howard's nephew. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
My colleague, I think you've been speaking to, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
-David Pacifico's asked me to give you a call. -'Right.' | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
And I think he was envisaging that we might meet later on this evening. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
-'That's OK, if it's OK with you.' -Yeah, sure. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
It's good news for the team. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
The nephew has agreed to meet with Bob, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
and in the world of heir-hunting, that's half the battle won. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
A face-to-face meeting | 0:35:59 | 0:36:00 | |
will greatly increase their chances of getting a signed agreement. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
But partner Neil is still wonder what happened to their exclusivity. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
There is always the possibility that they have told a rival firm | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
and they have got their fingers in two pies. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
Right now, though, this is the least of the team's worries. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
David is realising just how serious the situation has become. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
The competition has already started calling the siblings he's found. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
Right, they left you a contract of...? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
How much percentage, may I ask? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
For the heirs, competition means that the companies | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
may compete for their business, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
offering commission deals at a lower rate than normal. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
But for the time being, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:45 | |
David and his team are one step ahead of their rivals. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
Bob's arrived for his appointment with Howard's sister, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
and he's meeting her brother at the same time. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Afterwards, Bob has good and bad news for David. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
She'd already been contacted. I've left our paperwork with her. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:06 | |
When was she contacted? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
It seems other companies have also been in contact with Howard's sister. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
She's reluctant to sign an agreement | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
until speaking to the rest of her family. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
David now knows the competition are hot on his heels | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
and are directly competing to be the first to sign up the heirs | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
to Howard's £250,000 estate. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
-I've spoken to the one in Bridlington, by the way. -All right. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
-I did 10.30 to 11.00 tomorrow morning for you. -Oh, excellent. That's fine. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
Everything now hangs on Bob meeting the rest of the family members. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
It's all go. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:46 | |
Bob hotfoots it to his next visit... | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
another sister of the deceased. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
And unlike his colleagues, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
he seems to be enjoying the cut and thrust of this chase. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
A bit of competition never does any harm. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
Bob's first appointment wasn't as successful as he'd hoped | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
and he didn't come away with a signed agreement. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
Now though, he has another chance with the sister in Sheffield | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
and after that, he'll be trying to meet Howard's nieces and nephew. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
But unfortunately, his visit to the second sister doesn't go as planned. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
The competition in this case has put doubt into the relatives' minds. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
She also wants to speak to the rest of the family | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
about which company to go for before signing on the dotted line. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
Now I'm going back to Sheffield to see a nephew of the deceased, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:43 | |
Howard Whittles', and his sister Fiona or Samantha, I'm not sure, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
I think she uses both names. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
Then that'll be it for the day | 0:38:51 | 0:38:52 | |
and I've got to then find a hotel to spend the night. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Bob finally arrives in Sheffield. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
-Hello, Mrs Haythorne? -Yes. -Bob Barrett from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
-Hello. -Thanks very much. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
..And gets straight down to business. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
The only one I really know is Derek and he had a son called Stephen. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
-And he's still alive anyway so..? -Yeah. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
And was living in Sheffield the last time you knew? | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Yeah, the last time, yeah. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
And Howard? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
Once at his dad's funeral. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
Well, my grandad's funeral. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
-He wasn't married as far as you were aware? -No. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
It seems a face-to-face meeting has paid off. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Even though their aunts and uncles are thinking about whether to sign to Frasers, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:48 | |
Howard and Fiona are happy to do the paperwork with Bob. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
It's the result he's been waiting for all day. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you for becoming our clients. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Thank you, and you. -Bye-bye. -Thank you. -Cheerio. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
It's a fantastic result at the end of a long, tiring day. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
For Howard's niece and nephew, it's strange to know they are | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
heirs to the estate of a man they knew so little about. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
I don't think I've even seen a photograph of him unfortunately. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
But it just seems a bit... You know... | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
Strange to be in this situation when you've never met somebody. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
It doesn't feel right somehow but... | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
That's the way it goes. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
The next day, Bob is back on the road, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
on his way to meet the final heir. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
He still only has half the signatures he set out to get. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
Now I'm off to Bridlington to see an heir. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
Fingers crossed that she signs an agreement with us. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
Fortunately, the meeting is a success. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Although she'd also been contacted by a rival company, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
she's happy to sign an agreement with Bob | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
and he can't wait to break the news to David. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
She's very impressed with our company, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
thinks everybody's treated her very nicely, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
and signed an agreement with us. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
In the office, David also has some good news of his own. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
It seems the personal touch has paid off. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
By the way, I've made contact with one of the people you saw last night. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
-Oh, right. -They want to go with us, all two of them. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Excellent, I thought they would. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
This is what Bob's been waiting for. His hard work hasn't been in vain. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:43 | |
In just two days, the team have managed to find six heirs | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
to Howard Whittles' £250,000 estate. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
And five of them have signed agreements. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
Partner Neil is happy with the result. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
It's obviously starting to pay off now. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:57 | |
He's getting to see all the beneficiaries. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
David's starting to wind up the research, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
everything's coming together, I think, quite well. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
Howard may have drifted apart from his family, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
but they will now all benefit | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
from the substantial amount of money he left behind. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
His £250,000 estate will be divided between his brother, sisters, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:18 | |
nieces and nephew. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
To his close friends, Howard will be remembered as a man | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
whose passions in life were a good walk and a game of cricket. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
Very popular with everybody in the club. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
A fantastic guy to have in the side. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
And as I say, looking back now, some 20-30 years on, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
I guess he was a real asset to the club. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
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