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Today a team of Heir Hunters are searching for the beneficiaries | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
to an unclaimed estate worth a quarter of a million pounds. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
They're looking for long-lost relatives who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:17 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
-On today's programme... -It's a matter of time then. It's a race. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
The Heir Hunters pull out all the stops to trace the relatives of a decorated military hero. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:50 | |
He probably saved our lives. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
And the death of a Brighton woman reveals a fascinating tale of immigrant life in London's East End. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:58 | |
It was a hubbub. People calling out in Yiddish, in broken English. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
Really chaotic but I would imagine very, very exciting. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
Plus - how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:14 | |
Could thousand of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:27 | |
If no relatives are found, then any money that's left behind will go to the Government. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:34 | |
Last year, they made £12 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
That's where the Heir Hunters come in. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:49 | |
I bring about a change so that the rightful assets | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
go to the rightful family members and not to the state. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
This morning, at the offices of Heir Hunters Fraser & Fraser, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
the Treasury's weekly list of unclaimed estates is just in. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
At first glance, there don't seem to be any obvious high-value cases | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
but partner Neil Fraser has got a good feeling about an intriguing outsider. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
We're going to have a look at the case of Brian Simon Birch. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
Slightly strange, slightly unusual in that its place of death says Malta. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
Brian Simon Birch died on 21st September 2008 | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
in hospital on the island of Malta, just off the south coast of Italy. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
Brian was known by his middle name, Simon, to his friends. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Simon was very upright, tall, receding hairline, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
small moustache. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
He never ever made any contact to anybody | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
so it wasn't until he actually moved in above our flat | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
that we got to know Simon. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Simon was a very military person. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Everything about him was organised, everything had to be done under a certain regime. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:18 | |
Six o'clock every morning, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
the door would open and he'd put his washing on the line on the roof | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
and then at 7.20am, he always passed my front door to take his rubbish to the skip. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
I could take you from six in the morning to six at night exactly where he was, each day. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
In the office, Neil starts the investigation | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
by asking an independent agent in Malta to get hold of Brian's death certificate. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:46 | |
This will contain information vital to the search and until it arrives, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
all they can do is start sifting through the scores of Brian Simon Birches that show up on the records. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:57 | |
The case of Birch, the chap dies I assume on holiday in Valetta in Malta, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:05 | |
so certainly the death record there. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
There's only one Brian Birch on the telephone or on the electoral roll immediately. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:16 | |
Tony thinks he's found a home number for the deceased in England | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
so he gets straight on the phone to see if he can speak to a relative. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
Hello. Sorry to trouble you. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
Mr Birch? | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
Hello, Mr Birch. Sorry to trouble you so early, sir. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Tony wasn't expecting Mr Birch himself to pick up the phone. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
Clearly he's got the wrong family. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
And did they explain that they were trying to trace the next of kin of Brian Birch, who's died recently? | 0:04:39 | 0:04:45 | |
And it seems this Mr Birch has already been contacted by rival heir-hunting firms. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:52 | |
Like Neil, they must think this could be a valuable case. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
So if Frasers are going to get ahead of the competition, they need to step up a gear. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
Case Manager Dave Slee has got his team searching through | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
UK birth and marriage records for any mention of a Brian S Birch. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
We know there's three births and we've eliminated one so far. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:18 | |
Because we've got two possible marriages, Birch to Smith, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
so Emily's working one marriage and me and Jo are working the other. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
On this one, we've got one heir at the moment and I don't know how Emily is getting on | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
but one of the two could be right, or neither. We don't know yet. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
It's a frustrating start. So far none of their leads is paying off. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:42 | |
But senior researcher Alan comes on board and he's seen a case like this before. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
I had a job where the beneficiaries had moved to Malta 20 years ago. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
Have we got a Malta phone book? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
-I had a job in Malta... -Have a look on the internet. -Tony spoke to somebody... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
-He could've been living there for years. -That's what I'm saying. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
If Brian did live on Malta, it's likely he retired there, which means he may have owned a property. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:08 | |
And on the densely populated islands of Malta and Gozo, the average apartment sells for £200,000. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:16 | |
Suddenly, this case is looking much more interesting. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Let's do that in the library. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
See what we can get on that. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Over their 70-year history, Frasers have built up an amazingly comprehensive library | 0:06:24 | 0:06:31 | |
of directories, which can make all the difference when it comes to cracking unusual cases. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
Everything we've done so far on this Birch case is wrong. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
There's three births in this country of a Brian S and they've all been ruled out. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:46 | |
What we have got is a single record of a Brian Simon Birch, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:52 | |
Captain Brian Simon Birch | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
of the Royal Transport Corps getting an MBE in 1976. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Could this Brian Simon Birch, who received an MBE, be one and the same as the deceased? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:05 | |
Alan checks another source to see what other information they can find. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
Born on 17th December 1937. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
-Royal Corps for Transport... -Royal Transport. That's him then, isn't it? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
It looks very promising and now they have a birth date to work with. It's the break they needed. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:23 | |
But there's another reason that Neil's delighted. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
If he is a MBE captain, he will have a reasonable pension. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
This is the first real indication they could be dealing with | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
a substantial estate but Neil still doesn't know how much it's actually worth. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
I'm hoping that maybe up to 20, 40, £50,000 of cash asset and then maybe a property on top of that. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:48 | |
In the meantime, we've ticked the box that says it's worth something. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
We now just have to find the family and worry about how much it's worth at a later date. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
Captain Birch MBE of the Royal Corps for Transport was a qualified skipper | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
of Landing Craft Tanks or LCTs, which were used to move troops and heavy equipment to remote places. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:10 | |
Major Ted Prewer served under Simon in the '70s and remembers him as an exemplary and inspiring leader. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:20 | |
Simon was a very confident and very competent ship's captain | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
and everything he did was measured and he did everything very calmly. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
Simon's ability to keep a cool head in a crisis | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
was seriously tested during a routine voyage from the UK to Norway. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
We left Harwich in October 1974 and the weather forecast was good. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:47 | |
Unfortunately, the weather changed dramatically. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
We were confronted with 40-foot waves and we were literally chugging up | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
to the crest of a wave and down into the trough. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
They were that large. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
And you were in grave danger of capsizing. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
One of the warrant officers cited that it was the first time | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
that he'd ever seen a seaman getting down on his knees and praying. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
Simon decided to take shelter. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
He manoeuvred the craft at a point that he considered was safe | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
to ensure that the vessel didn't broach | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
and it was his competence and experience that saved our lives. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:41 | |
Later that same year, the Ministry of Defence called on Simon | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
to help them demonstrate the LCTs to the Iranian navy. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
His expertise led to several being sold and he was duly rewarded with an MBE. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:57 | |
Back in the office, after a difficult start, case manager Dave Slee | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
is now working under the assumption that the deceased is Captain Birch. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
If he is, then they've identified his parents as Samuel Birch and Edith Parfitt. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
Hello, good morning. I'm sorry to trouble you. My name's David Slee. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
I'm trying to trace a family in connection with an unclaimed estate. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
Early research has thrown up a Raymond Evans from Wales, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
the widower of a possible sister of the deceased. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
Am I right in believing that your wife had a brother called Brian Birch? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:41 | |
A cousin? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
So she never had a brother called Brian? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
He was in the Army? So... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
Although he'd got the relationship wrong, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
it looks like he's got the right family | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
and Raymond is full of information about Captain Birch. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
Apparently he was an only child who had no children of his own | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
but his father, Samuel, was one of 13 children. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
However, the important question remains unanswered. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
There's still no hard proof that this Captain Birch is actually the deceased. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
Nothing to link Malta to this captain at the moment. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
I've got another guy to phone. I'll write this tree up. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
It's not 100% sure that this is the right one but... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
Dave has got the number of a possible cousin, who's also in Wales. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
Mr Birch? Sorry to trouble you, Sir. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
If he is Brian's first cousin, then he would also be the first heir. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
You had a cousin called Brian Birch? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
He lived in Gozo? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
In Malta? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Bingo. All their hunches have come good. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Time to mobilise the troops. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Ewart Lindsay is one of the company's senior researchers on the road. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
His job is to get to the heirs and sign them up before the competition does. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
I've got a colleague actually going to be in Wales today trying to see as many family members as possible | 0:12:13 | 0:12:21 | |
and I'd like to make an appointment for him to pop along and see you and any other family members he can. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:28 | |
It looks this case will be based around Newport in South Wales and that there will be a lot of heirs, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
so Neil sends Bob Barratt off there as well. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Good luck, mate. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
It's a bold move because they still don't have much concrete information to go on | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
but Neil's determined to stay ahead of the competition on this one. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
Dave has managed to confirm that Brian's grandparents, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
William and Mary, did indeed have 13 children. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
They've already found two heirs | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
but the chances are, this is just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
A lot of work to do. A massive family. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
I've started bringing more people into this now. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
This is the valuable job we're working this week. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Neil thinks that with a potential property valued at £200,000 and a healthy pension, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
this estate could be worth up to a quarter of a million pounds. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
Which means it's almost certain that most of their rivals will be onto the case as well. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
He desperately needs to stay ahead and the only way to ensure that | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
is to gamble more and more resources and hope it pays off. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Coming up... | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
Oh, no. Why? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
A single act by an independent agent threatens to undo all their hard work. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
Agent, don't do this! | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
While some investigations unfold very quickly and dramatically, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
others, like the case of Marilyn Kutner, are harder nuts to crack | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
and require all the Heir Hunters' skills and tenacity. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Marilyn's name appeared on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
in July 2008 and was picked up by Celtic Research's Hector Birchwood, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
who set out to see if he could find any rightful heirs to her £12,000 estate. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
We don't really have much to go on. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
As usual, we had a date of death, a place of death and we had some names for the deceased. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:39 | |
Marilyn Kutner died alone in her Brighton flat, aged just 59. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
She left no will and not even a photograph survives of her. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Friend and neighbour Christine Toms, who lived in a flat beneath Marilyn's, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
knew her for over 20 years and remembers her fondly. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
A happy, cheerful lady. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
She always had a good word for everybody. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
I know she used to like going out a lot with her friends. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
A glamorous woman, Marilyn took great pride in her appearance. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
Oh, she was very attractive. She used to have fair hair with blonde highlights. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
Very pretty, very nicely made up. Lovely clothes. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
Marilyn lived in the top-floor flat of the seaside tower block with her mother, Blanche. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:27 | |
Her and her mother used to sunbathe up on the penthouse all day long | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
and they were brown as berries and they absolutely loved it. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
Mother and daughter had an extremely close relationship. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
They were sort of more like sisters than mother and daughter and her mother done everything for her. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:48 | |
When Blanche died ten years ago, Marilyn found it increasingly difficult to face life on her own. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:55 | |
She never went out after her mother died. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Before her mother died, she had her girlfriends and her boyfriends. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
So I don't know, she never went out. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
So sad, to see her go downhill. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Celtic Research is owned and run by Hector and his father, Peter Birchwood. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
Together, they have over 40 years' experience of tracing the beneficiaries of unclaimed estates. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:20 | |
But this case would test Hector's heir-hunting powers to the limit. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
The name Kutner indicated to me it would definitely be European, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
possibly Jewish, so my initial impression was that it was going to go to one of our agents in Europe | 0:16:32 | 0:16:40 | |
and we were probably going to be able to find heirs, if any, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
in Israel, Canada, the US, South Africa, possibly the United Kingdom. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:49 | |
Like any case, the first goal was to try and identify the birth of the deceased. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
She was born in 1949 and we were able to, from that birth, identify who her parents were. | 0:16:54 | 0:17:02 | |
Marilyn's parents were Aaron Kutner and Blanche Koenigsberg. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
A little bit of investigation into Blanche's family yielded some unexpected results. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
The deceased's mother was born in the UK, a bit to my surprise. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
On top of that, her parents were also married in the UK | 0:17:18 | 0:17:25 | |
so her mother, her father, her grandparents, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
all had events occurring here in the United Kingdom and then we found out that she had no other siblings. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:35 | |
So as far as I was concerned, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
very, very quickly, the maternal side was dead without issue. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
As Marilyn's mother's family wasn't going to supply any heirs, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
Hector turned his attention to the family of her father, Aaron Kutner. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
He found a birth certificate for Aaron that showed he was born in Whitechapel in 1915 | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
and listed his parents as Emanuel Kutner and Annie Horowitz. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
So Hector went to the 1911 census to see what he could find. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
At first, he drew a blank. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
We weren't able to find the name of Kutner so we assumed that perhaps | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
maybe he wasn't in the United Kingdom during the 1911 census. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
But then he made a fascinating discovery. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
Emanuel Kutner in the census is listed as Mandel Kutner, not Emanuel. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:29 | |
That's an acceptable change in his name. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
Mandel Kutner would've been his Jewish name, to which he's known to God and other Jews. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:40 | |
Emanuel would've been his gentile name. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
Little did Hector know that this was only the first confusion of this kind | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
that his investigation would throw up. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
But he did make an important discovery that finally uncovered the origins of the Kutner family. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:56 | |
Both Mandel and Annie were Russian residents and citizens. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:03 | |
It seems that Annie Horowitz and Emanuel Kutner | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
were part of the massive wave of immigration | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
that came over from what is now Lithuania at the end of the 19th century, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
fleeing prejudice and persecution in their own country. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Jews were confined to an area of western Russia | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
called the Pale of Settlement. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Within this area, which stretched from the Black Sea | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
to the Baltic Sea, Jews had to live in designated towns. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
They were not allowed to own businesses, land, farms. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
They were largely reduced to destitution. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
This was a deliberate act by the Russian government | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
to persecute and punish Jews basically for being Jews. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Two million Jews left Eastern Europe between 1881 and 1914 | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
and 120,000 of them settled in the UK. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
But it seems that Annie and Mandel didn't make the journey together. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
She came over separately with a young son from an earlier marriage. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
For immigrants like Marilyn's grandparents, London was a daunting prospect. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
But in the East End, they were lucky to find a safety net | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
of organisations, set up by wealthy, established Jewish families. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
Behind me is the Soup Kitchen for the Jewish Poor. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Institutions like this were essential to the welfare of Jewish people and you would come here, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:27 | |
you'd get a meal, you'd get the basic essentials of life. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
It was like a miniature welfare state that existed in the East End, created by local people. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
Many of the immigrants were skilled tailors and dressmakers | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and used these trades to earn a living in their adopted country. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
Marilyn's grandmother, Annie Horowitz, spent the few coins that she possessed | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
on setting herself up on a stall in the market on Petticoat Lane, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
which by the late-19th century was already an established centre for the rag trade. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:00 | |
Jewish immigrants pour in to here from Eastern Europe | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
and they open up their own little businesses and stalls | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
in Petticoat Lane, selling clothing, beigels and chola, herrings, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
but it was a hubbub, people calling out in Yiddish, in broken English. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
Really chaotic but I would imagine very, very exciting. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
Within six months of coming to the UK, Annie had met and married | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
Aaron's father, Mandel Kutner, a fellow Jewish immigrant and Hebrew teacher. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
But Hector couldn't find any sign of any other children from that marriage. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
They would have been Marilyn's aunts and uncles | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
and their children could be the beneficiaries of her £12,000 estate. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
His only option was to compile a list of every Kutner or Horowitz birth in Whitechapel since 1906 | 0:21:49 | 0:21:56 | |
and here, he came up against another challenge. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
How you spell Horovich or Horowitz is a difficult task, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:08 | |
mainly because Yiddish doesn't have any vowels | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
and so when somebody's writing down that name, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
they have to apply our system of using vowels | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
to make the same phonetic sound which would be used in Yiddish. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
So we found that the mothers' maiden names given on the index varied quite significantly. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
Coming up, Hector goes searching for a needle in a haystack. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
He changed his name to something similar to Kutner, maybe or Coates or Kutz, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:44 | |
and he married someone by the name of Jean. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
And the hunt for Brian Birch's heirs hots up. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Keep Bob on the way down there and have three of them. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
Let's bombard it tonight. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
Heir Hunters solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
ensuring that millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled the Heir Hunters and remain unclaimed. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
These estates stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
Today, we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Murdoch McRae Urquhart died in Felixstowe | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
on 5th January 2004 aged 75. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
The Urquharts are a Scottish clan based round Loch Ness, so he may have come from there. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
If no heirs of his are found, his money will go to the Government. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
Did you know Joan Mildred Clare Greenslade, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
who died in Epsom, Surrey aged 86? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
So far, no-one has come forward to claim her estate either. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
Or what about Fredrick Thomas Caleb Bache, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
who died on 29th September 2004 in Stourbridge in the West Midlands? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
Fredrik's mother's name was Woolridge | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
and Bache, while sounding German, is actually an old English name. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
His estate is also unclaimed. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
If the names Murdoch Urquhart, Joan Greenslade or Thomas Bache mean anything to you, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
or someone you know, you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
Back on the case of Marilyn Kutner and her £12,000 estate. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Heir Hunter Hector Birchwood had been battling against the odds | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
to find any siblings for her father, Aaron. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
The problem lay in the variations in the spelling of her grandmother Annie Horowitz's surname. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
But eventually, after an exhaustive search, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
he discovered four potentials - one sister and three brothers. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
While tracing the descendants of one of the brothers, Reuben Kutner, Hector managed to speak | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
to some relations who gave him some vital information. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
All they could tell me was that they knew he'd changed his name. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
He changed his name to something similar to Kutner, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
maybe or Coates or Kutz, and he married someone by the name of Jean. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:48 | |
And they were sure that he had a daughter called Sharon. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
That's all I had to go on. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
Deciding to change your name sounds like a drastic step | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
but for many Jews living in England in the early 20th century, it was a necessary decision. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:03 | |
They would anglicise their names because they didn't want to sound foreign - and they weren't foreign. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:10 | |
They'd been born in this country, they spoke proper English, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
they were educated, but they didn't want to stand out as foreigners. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
Having faced persecution abroad, the Jews were now confronted with prejudice in their adopted country. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:24 | |
At the outbreak of the First World War, things got worse. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
A lot of these Jewish immigrants had Germanic sounding names | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
and indeed there were riots in the East End of London, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
where English people would throw bricks through windows of shops | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
which had German-sounding names, but of course they weren't Germans, they were Jewish. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:44 | |
Hector and his team were now up against their third name-based conundrum on this case. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
This time, he had the nightmarish task of trying to find all the marriages for somebody | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
with a surname that sounded a bit like Kutner or Kutz, who had married a Jean. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
We made a particularly long list of these potential marriages | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
and then worked those marriages down to see if one of them yielded | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
a daughter by the name of Sharon. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
Eventually, by a process of elimination, one of them did. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
Hector found a marriage in the 1940s of a Reginald Irwin Coates | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
and a Jean or Jenny Tash, who'd shortened her name from Tashinski. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
All Hector needed now was positive proof that Reginald and Reuben were the same person. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:40 | |
We found Reginald Erwin's death and his date of birth matched the date of birth that we had | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
for Ruben Kutner and once we were able to speak to his daughter, then we knew we had the right man. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:53 | |
His daughter, Sharon Coates was Marilyn's first cousin and the heir Hector had been looking for. | 0:27:53 | 0:28:00 | |
My father became Reginald Irwin Coates. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
He did that some time before the Second World War. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
I think it was just really so it sounded more English, to fit in with other people better. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
So it wasn't showing the immigrant status. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
Sharon had met her cousin Marilyn a few times when she was a young girl, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
but since then they'd completely lost touch. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
I don't know anything about Marilyn's life, really. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
I suspect she moved to Brighton with her parents but I don't really know that for sure. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
I didn't have very much contact with any of the relations on my father's side very often. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
Just a few family occasions. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
She may well have been there but I don't particularly remember her. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Sharon turned out to be one of six heirs to Marilyn's £12,000 estate. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:45 | |
It was very strange, actually, inheriting from someone who I really didn't know existed. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
Very odd indeed. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:51 | |
But it did have the advantage that I got back in touch with my cousins. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
Being contacted by Hector has given Sharon a chance to reflect on her extraordinary family history. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:02 | |
I really would like to know more about my father's family. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
It would be quite nice, just because, as I get older, I think more about family. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
Immigrant families like the Kutners were determined to lose their foreigner status. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
But, in the process, they lost touch with each other. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
Marilyn may have died alone but, because of her, this is one family that has been reunited. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:26 | |
Heir Hunters Fraser & Fraser have been investigating the case | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
of Brian Simon Birch MBE, who died aged 71 on the island of Malta. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
His lasting memory will always be, as I say, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
outside St Paul's Bar or the Electro Bar. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
When we some good sessions, good times. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
Simon was very dry. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
He would make something funny out of any serious incident. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
He always could come out with a comment that would make you laugh. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:06 | |
Before he retired to enjoy ex-pat life, Simon was a captain | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
in the British Army whose courage and skill was much admired. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:16 | |
I was very pleased for Simon, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
because his MBE was thoroughly deserved. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
He had done an outstanding job and he was recognised for it. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
The company have gambled a huge amount of people and resources | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
trying to stay ahead of the competition on this case | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
because they believe that his estate could be worth up to £250,000. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
I'm pretty pleased with where we are. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
We're certainly in pole position. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
But I think we're quite a long way ahead of the pack, as well. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
Brian's father Sam had 12 brothers and sisters. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
So far, the team have found the heirs from three stems and they just keep on coming. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
She has seven children that's going to be entitled. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
So, a busy old day for the secretary. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
But all that's about to change. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
Neil's received a piece of paper that's shattered their lead | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
and handed over their advantage to the competition. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
So, they're going to have that now, aren't they? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
The independent agent in Malta has finally faxed over Brian's death certificate. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
But Fraser's didn't have an exclusive deal with him, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
so he's also sent it to several of their competitors. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
Oh, no. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
If the rival companies were struggling to identify | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
the right Birch family before, they won't be now. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Oh, agent, don't do this. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Any advantage Fraser's had has been wiped out. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
Well, it's a matter of time now, isn't it? It's a race. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
After this setback, Neil and Dave Slee meet for crisis talks in the library. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:58 | |
The biggest concern is the West Country stuff. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
If that's not being covered, then you've got... | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
I've just taken him off Tony. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
Then keep Bob on the way down there and have three of them. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
Let's bombard it tonight, get as many people seen tonight in Wales. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
As well as Ewart and Bob Barratt, they're also sending senior researcher Bob Smith down | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
to join them, to make sure that as soon as an heir is discovered, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
a Fraser's representative is on their doorstep to sign them up. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
And Neil's taking no chances in the office either. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
I think, pretty much, most of the guys in the company are on this job at the moment. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
While Dave Slee and his team continue to chase down more and more Birch heirs, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
case manager Frances Brett has been brought on to kickstart the maternal Parfitt side of the tree. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
And straight away, she runs into a roadblock. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
I think there's a little bit of a dilemma as to how people fit into the family. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:59 | |
Allan has been searching through online records and databases for information about the Parfitts. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:06 | |
The deceased mother had a brother and a sister, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
according to the 1911 census. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
So, obviously, it could be possible there are children born | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
after the 1911 census that we haven't identified yet. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
Brian's mother, Edith, had a sister, Elizabeth, and a brother, Frederick. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
Their mother was Annie Parfitt. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
But there's no record of a father, which raises the question of illegitimacy. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
If they are illegitimate, then under English and Welsh law, they would only be half brothers and sisters | 0:33:31 | 0:33:37 | |
and their descendants would be half-blood nieces and nephews. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
But the Parfitts may still have a stronger claim than Brian's father's family, the Birches, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:47 | |
because half-blood nieces and nephews have a greater entitlement than full-blood cousins. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
We are going to need some certificates. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
But in the meantime, we will work it out and see what we find out. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
But until those certificates arrive, Frances and her team can't afford to drop the ball. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:08 | |
They must keep tracking down potential Parfitt heirs | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
if they're going to stay ahead of the competition. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
150 miles away in Cwmbran, South Wales, Ewart is gearing up to make a major breakthrough. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:24 | |
He has taken charge of one particular stem of the Birch family tree, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
the descendants of Fred Birch, Brian's uncle. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
He's about to meet with heirs John and Dawn Evans who, along with their | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
brother, Steven, are the children of Raymond Evans and Julie Birch, who was Brian Birch's first cousin. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:44 | |
Hi, Mr Evans. Ewart Lindsay from Fraser & Fraser. How are you? You're John, aren't you? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
-Yes, I am. -Lovely. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
What's happened is that there is a second cousin who has passed | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
on without leaving a will. OK? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I don't think you probably... You wouldn't know who the deceased is? | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
-Not really, no. -I don't think you ever met him. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
-Did you know him? -Yes, yes. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
I met him a few times. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
To his father's funeral, to his mum's funeral. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
Ewart talks them through how they can go about making a claim on their relative's estate. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:22 | |
Anything your mother would have got from the estate will then get divided up between the three of you. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:29 | |
-Thank you very much. -Bye-bye. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
After Ewart leaves, the family try to take in the impact of what they've just been told. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
I was a little bit shocked, when I heard. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
-It seems a bit strange. -Never met him at all. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
It's all a little bit surreal. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
Well, it's nice to think that, although we didn't meet him, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
that we are getting some sort of benefit from it. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
But it would have been nicer to have met him, I suppose. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
It's the end of a long day for the Heir Hunters. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Ewart's had a great result, signing up two heirs in one visit. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
But this is only one stem out of 13. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
There's still a long way to go. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
He heads off to join fellow operatives Bob Barratt | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
and Bob Smith at their hotel before starting all over again tomorrow. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
The next day dawns bright and early in Wales. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
The two Bobs are comparing notes on the heirs | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
they managed to sign up yesterday and the task ahead of them today. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
Morning, guys. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
-Late again? -Yeah. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
I tried ringing you this morning, you know that? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Yeah, he was out for a run, I expect. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
No, I've been speaking to my heir. I've got a 10:30 appointment this morning. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:56 | |
Back in London, Dave Slee is already hard at work. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Good man, thanks very much. Bye. Take care. Have a nice weekend. Bye-bye. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
Now it's just a question of tying up the loose ends of the Birch side of the investigation. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:11 | |
And it's been quite an operation. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
There are at least... | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
18 first cousins alive, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
with the possibility of two more, the Australian descendants. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
And 10 cousins once removed. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Although there's still no sign of any competition, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
the team need to sign up as many heirs as possible on this case. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
Their commission needs to cover the costs of the resources they've spent on it. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
Meanwhile, the question mark hanging over the legitimacy of the maternal | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
Parfitt side of the family is still troubling Neil. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
I'm thinking that they're all illegit? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
She was in a relationship, and just didn't married. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Was there any of them? | 0:37:58 | 0:37:59 | |
-She just didn't get married and knocked out a whole family. -Yeah. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
So we should do a search between 11 and 21 at least, in the same district. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
If the whole maternal side are illegitimate, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
that means the company won't have to chase around trying to sign them up, which would be great news for Neil. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:18 | |
At last, the all-important Parfitt birth certificates have arrived. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
We've got the births, they're "no father shown" on there. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
Thomas was the father of the girls that were | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
having these illegitimate children, so she's just given grandad's name. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
Sure enough, Edith Parfitt's birth certificate does not show a father, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
which means her parents cannot have been married. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
But on her marriage certificate she puts her grandfather's name, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Thomas Parfitt, where her father's name should be. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
People didn't want to leave a blank on their marriage certificate | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
and quite often, gave the name of their grandfather | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
as being that of their dad, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
which is exactly what Edith did when she married Samuel Erasmus Birch in 1937. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:13 | |
Mr Barrett, Neil. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
Just to tell you, mate, that mother's side is illegit, so it doesn't look like there's going | 0:39:15 | 0:39:21 | |
to be any beneficiaries on that, so all you've got to do is those trees with the three of you. Bye. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
It's a great result for the heir hunters. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
The maternal side has been discounted. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
The final heirs on the paternal side are being signed up and the competition never even got close. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:40 | |
Neil took a gamble and it paid off but he's not resting on his laurels. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
This is really just the start. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
We've got people to see, contracts still to get and then obviously all | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
the paperwork which goes with them, to put all their case together. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
But really, that's going to take us a month, two months. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
That's still only just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
The legal system in England and Wales takes about 12 months to conclude. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
In Malta, we've had a warning it's going to be nearer two years. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
Certainly, we're going to have done all this work and not get paid for that for about two years or so. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Down in Wales, Ewart has got one final heir to visit. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Hello, Mrs Stevens? Hi. Ewart Lindsay from Fraser & Fraser. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
Lynda Stevens is the only member of the Fred Birch stem that Ewatt hasn't yet seen. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:35 | |
She's Raymond Evans's sister-in-law, and aunt to John and Dawn. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
Unlike her niece and nephew, she has a clear memory of her cousin. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Brian was always away in the army. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
-Once he joined the army, you know, then we didn't see a lot of him. -OK. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
I seen him more when I was younger, because my father kept pigeons | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
with Uncle Sam and our dad used to take me out to the pigeon loft and that. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:05 | |
-Brian was there then. -I hope you do get enough to go on a nice cruise. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
A cruise, or some ice cream down the seaside! | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
Nice meeting you. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Lynda is left behind to mull over the amazing events of the last 24 hours. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:25 | |
It's a real shocker. It has really opened up cupboards, if you know what I mean. Family history. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:32 | |
So surprising is the family. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
You know, the size of the family, and you don't even realise that they're there. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
And what of the man who, albeit unwittingly, brought all this about? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:47 | |
He was quite nice looking. Well, I thought he was anyway. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
He always reminded me of my father. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
You would have thought he would have made a will, but then | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
who was he going to leave it to? You know? | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
He most probably wouldn't even have thought about it. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
In his military life, Simon showed great courage and expertise. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
In retirement, he was the archetypal Englishman abroad | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
and if his funeral was anything to go by, a much-missed friend. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:19 | |
It was a really, really nice service. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
It was in the open air | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
and a very, very good turnout. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
Simon was just a very, very private man. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
Once you got to know him, he'd always be very friendly and very kind to you. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
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