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Today, the heir hunters are looking into an estate worth an estimated £200,000. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
Just a question of sitting here and waiting now. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
Somewhere, out there, are some long lost relatives, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
On today's show, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
even finding close family proves a struggle. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Right. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
That's all wrong. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
And the search for a sailor's heirs | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
is hampered by a very common surname. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Every village has got maybe half a dozen different Evans families. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit an unclaimed estate held by the Treasury. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:03 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
then any money that's left behind goes to the government. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
Last year, they kept £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
That's where the heir hunters come in. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and help them claim their just inheritance. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
It's about reuniting people with what's rightfully theirs. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
It's 7am at the offices of heir hunting company Fraser & Fraser. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
And they're already hard at work. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
The Treasury's list of people who have died without a will has just been released. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
The case of Robin Hunt has caught the eye of senior partner Neil Fraser. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Records show that he did own his own flat, which he sold in 2001. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
But, after that, there's no trace of him. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
The case of Hunt, we're looking at initially, because | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
it would appear that the old property was sold for £85,000. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
We think he's probably moved | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
to a nursing home or a sheltered accommodation, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
and they haven't put him on the electoral roll. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
To find out if they are right, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
they need to see Robin's death certificate. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
The heir hunters earn their money by charging a percentage of the estate for their services. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
The team need to know if he owned his own property and, if so, what it's worth. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
Morning, Bob. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
While most of the research is done by the office team, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
they rely on frontline investigators, like Bob Smith, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
to follow leads, sign up heirs, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
and determine the estate's value. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
We'll pick up a copy of his death certificate. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
See where he died. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
Make enquiries at that address. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Robin Hunt died in Bournemouth, on the 9th March 2011, aged 69, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
without a will. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
His friend Shane only knew him towards the end of his life, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
when ill health meant he was often housebound. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
He had breathing difficulties. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
We also had bad legs, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
so he suffered with walking. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
He was on a lot of medication. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
But, despite his problems, he remembers Robin as a cheerful man. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
He could still laugh, and crack a smile. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
It didn't matter what happened, nothing ever got him down. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
And when it did, he bounced back so fast. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
Shane recalls how Robin always seemed to have a deal on the go. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
He was a wheeler and dealer. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Even when I knew him, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
he'd always be going on about making money. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
He was always interested in properties. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
He'd be doing the figures, working out where a pound can be made, stuff like that. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
Quite a clever man. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
The team are making a start on Robin's family tree. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
They think he was born in Surrey. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
The records, which only show surnames, list his parents as Hunt and Honeyball. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
Without his birth certificate, which includes their full names, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
it's hard to make progress. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
But, as the Register Office isn't open yet, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
researcher Rihanna is looking for their marriage. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
There's actually two marriages. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
-Two marriages of a Hunt to Honeyball? -Yeah. So I'm eliminating the Poplar... | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
So where was the other marriage? Where was the marriage, where were the two marriages? | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
Chelsea and Poplar. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
-They could be any, could be either, couldn't it? -Yeah. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
As Robin was a bachelor, and did not have children, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
his closest heirs would be siblings. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
If they can find his parents' marriage, they can start to search for them. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
But, at the moment, it's all guesswork. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
There's two marriages for Hunt to Honeyball. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
The parents' marriages. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
But there's all these births. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Following a hunch that the Chelsea marriage is the correct one, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Rihanna has identified four possible siblings born in Surrey. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
The youngest one was in 1944. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
The oldest in 1929. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
So it's pretty good. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
It's likely that one of them, at least, could be alive. That would be really good. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
-He was born in... -Surrey. -Surrey. -Mm hm. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
So there's another birth, other births in Surrey. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
And then one's in Epsom. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Right, so you got births in Poplar that time with that marriage. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
In other words, it's the Chelsea marriage. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
And then, where the parents are born, Epsom, Chelsea. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
-I think you might have something there, Rihanna. -Yeah. I think I do. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
Case manager David Pacifico is feeling confident. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
It looks like we've got sibling still alive. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
The team get to work, trying to find Robin's brothers and sisters. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
I'm just looking for a Barbara Hunt, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
to see if she's still alive. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
I'm working on Stuart W Hunt. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
He is the brother of the deceased. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
He may have lost contact with the family, for whatever reason. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
What we need to do is to trace and contact the first person, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
and go from there. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
While the team trace the siblings, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
David tries calling one of Robin's old neighbours, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
to see what he can find out. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
I represent a company of probate researchers. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
We've been trying to track down the next of kin of a Mr Robin Hunt. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
The father would have died in Christchurch, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
so would the mother. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Do you think he was an only child, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
or do you think he may have had any brothers or sisters? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
He was an only child. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Alarm bells are ringing for David. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
The parents they've been chasing had more than one child, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
and lived in Surrey. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Thank you. Bye bye. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
That's all wrong. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
The parents both died in Christchurch. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
It doesn't, it's totally different from that family. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Right. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
That's all wrong. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
I've spoken to a neighbour. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
It's terrible news, they've been investigating the wrong family. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
The deceased did not have siblings, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
and his parents lived in Christchurch. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
-That is wrong. -What's wrong? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
-The complete... -This is no good? -No. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
I spoke to a neighbour that knew him for the last 13 years. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
-That family is wrong? -That family is definitely wrong. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Unfortunately she can't remember the names of the parents. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
David needs the full names of Robin's parents, fast. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
It's now nine o'clock, and they've lost valuable time. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
We need to get this birth. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
Can somebody phone up one of the Surreys, and see which Surrey it is? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
After checking Surrey's Register Offices, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
the team finally order the birth certificate from neighbouring Merton. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
But it could take a while. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
In the meantime, David wants to check | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
if the second marriage they've found of Charles Hunt and Mabel Honeyball, in Poplar, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
could be Robin's parents. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
What they need to know is where they died. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Can you check for the death of Charles F Hunt, and Mabel Hunt, see where they come out? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Because I think that marriage might be right. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
They should have died in Christchurch. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
The neighbour's valuable information has saved them time. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
She's also given them the address of a flat in Bournemouth, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
owned by the deceased when he died. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
So, if there's property involved, there should be money in the estate. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
He's bought about five flats since he left that one. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
It seems Robin liked to dabble in property. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
But, what they need to know is what his last flat was worth. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
He owns a property. However, there's a charge on that property, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
which looks like, to me, equity release. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
We don't know how much equity he has released from that property. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
It could be 100%, it could be 10%. We just don't know at the moment. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
So, with property involved, they know the case has value. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
But, with money borrowed against the flat, they can't be sure how much. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
Down in Bournemouth, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Bob has confirmed Robin's last address of his death certificate. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
The office want him to check the flat out, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
and get an idea of what it's worth. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
Looks quite nice, looks as if it's a private residential area. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Not local authority. So | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
I'll just make enquiries with the neighbours. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
DOOR BUZZER | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
On the landing where the deceased lived, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
no one answered the doors. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
So, Bob hasn't had much luck, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
and it's the same story back in the office. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
While they wait for the birth certificate, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
the team aren't sure which leads to follow. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Shall we check an adoption for him? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
If we go with that Poplar marriage, we can't disprove that yet, right? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
Perhaps he is adopted. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
Are you working up those two births? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
Is there anything positive... | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
Can someone give Roger a hand, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
working up the Poplar marriage? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Coming up: Heir hunter Frances has a controversial theory | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
about why they can't identify Robin's family. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
It's war time. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
She had a relationship with a Mr Hunt. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
Now, Mr Hunt could well have been a married man. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Could Frances be onto something? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
And will it lead to Robin's elusive parents? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
In 2009, heir hunters Celtic Research began looking into a case | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
that they thought would be easy. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
But, faced with an international family, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
and one of the UK's most common surnames, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
after nine months' research, they gave up. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Without a connection, we just couldn't make a claim. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
The following year, they reopen the case. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And, this time, they were determined to crack it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
Josiah Arthur Webbe died on January 19th 1987, aged 86. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:34 | |
He left an estate worth £70,000. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
He was a sailor, and lived in a small village by the sea, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
in Gwynedd, North Wales. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Sadly, there are no known existing photos of the man himself. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
But family friend Gwyn Jones and his sister Haf remember him fondly. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
Well, Arthur had a typical seafarer's complexion, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
which was in fitting with his background on the seas. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:01 | |
He was very popular in the village. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Lots of people thought the world of Arthur. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
A very, very kind person. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
When his name was published on the weekly Treasury list, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
heir hunter Peter Birchwood took up the case. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Unlike their standard jobs, where the deceased dies without a will, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Josiah Arthur had written one, but there was a problem with it. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
Josiah Arthur Webbe left a will. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
He'd made out all of his assets to his wife. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
But, unfortunately, as she predeceased him, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
the will was not valid. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
Josiah Arthur's will hadn't named any other family or friends as beneficiaries. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
And he did not have children. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
So, Peter began his search for blood relatives who would inherit his money. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
In the heir hunting game, names are everything, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
and Josiah Arthur's surname was a good start. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
Webbe is one of those names that can be spelt several different ways. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
And, when we've got it spelt with an 'e' on the end, it's relatively uncommon. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:13 | |
From the date of his death, Peter managed to find Arthur's birth certificate, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
and the names of his parents. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
His mother, Elizabeth Evans, married his father, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
also from Josiah Arthur Webbe, in 1897. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
Peter discovered that the sea was something of a theme in the Webbe family, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
starting with his father. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
Josiah Arthur senior was a second mate for the merchant Navy. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
The Merchant Navies consisted of hundreds of private companies | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
running merchant ships, from huge passenger liners, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
to very undistinguished trunk ships of 3,000 or 4,000 tonnes. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
Down to small coasters running around the coast. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
But, in World War I, the Merchant Navy became part of the war effort. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
Trade and export abroad still had to continue, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
despite Britain being at war with Germany. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Josiah Arthur Senior was sailing the seas at an extremely dangerous time. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
During the start of the war, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
he sailed for three years with no protection from the Navy against German attack. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
And it was during this dire period of the war | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
that the SS Whitgift, that Josiah Senior sailed on, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
fell victim to German attack. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
She was on a voyage from Spain to Britain, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
with a cargo of iron ore. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
An immensely heavy cargo. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
So the ship was loaded down to her marks, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
and there was still an enormous amount of space in her holds. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
So, when she was struck by a torpedo from U-67, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
somewhere off Ushant, in the outer reaches of the English Channel, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
she sank very quickly. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
And, in the case of the Whitgift, all her crew were lost, 33 men. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
Despite losing his father whilst still in his teens, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
Josiah Arthur followed in his footsteps, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
and joined the Merchant Navy himself. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
One of the things that we learned about Mr Webbe | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
from speaking to people in the village | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
was that he had been a retired sea captain, a master mariner. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
That, of course, was also listed on his death record. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
So, it didn't really surprise us when we found that he was | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
actually born not in North Wales, where he died, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
but in Liverpool where his father was also in the merchant marines. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
From his parents marriage certificate, Peter discovered | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
that Josiah Arthur had had a brother, David, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
but he had died before him, without children. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
With close kin ruled out, | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
Peter would need to go up the paternal family tree | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
to try and trace Josiah Arthur's aunt or uncles. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
To find his grandparents he began by checking Josiah senior's | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
birth certificate and he made a surprising discovery. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
We found out on the census, the 1901 and the 1911 census, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
Josiah had been born in the Caribbean on the island of Nevis. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
He found out the deceased's grandfather, Charles Webbe, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
had been a sugar planter. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
In the late 17th century, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
Nevis was one of the headquarters of the British slave trade. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
With high-quality sugarcane produced on the island, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
and using African slaves for labour, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
Nevis became a great source of wealth from Britain | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
and possibly the Webbe family. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Although Charles would have been planting his sugar | 0:16:48 | 0:16:54 | |
after the abolition of slavery, it's clear from further records | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
that the Webbe family in Nevis had owed to slaves. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:06 | |
That might have been the great grandfather of the deceased | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
because we did find indications of slave owning | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
in the sugar plantations there. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
So far the case had gone smoothly but Josiah Arthur senior's | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
Caribbean roots spelt disaster for Peter's hunt. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
It really wasn't a financial possibility for one | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
or other of us to go over. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
If we could get an agent on Nevis to do the research, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
then that would be the way to go. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
But, we couldn't find anyone who could do the work | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
or would be willing to even take a look at the research. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
It was a massive blow. The paternal search for heirs had to be shelved. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
Now, the only hope of finding beneficiaries to Josiah Arthur's | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
£70,000 estate rested with his mother, Elizabeth Evans. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
But Peter felt it wasn't going to be easy. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Evans in North Wales, there are thousands of them. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
Every village has got maybe half a dozen different Evans families. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
He decided to admit defeat and close the case. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
The following year, determined not to be beaten, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
Peter began a fresh hunt for the heirs to Josiah Arthur's £70,000 estate. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
He made a start on the family tree of his mother, Elizabeth Evans. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
We know from her marriage to the father of the deceased | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
that her own father is a Solomon Evans and Solomon is a quarry man. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
We know where they were living. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
We know where they were living at the time of the 1871 census. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
Peter discovered that the deceased grandfather, Solomon, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
and his wife Mary lived in Llanvihangel in North Wales. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
They had three children, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
Elizabeth, Josiah Arthur's mother, another daughter, Jane | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
and a son, David. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
They would no longer be alive but if they had children, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
they would be Josiah Arthur's cousins and heirs to his estate. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
To try and find them, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Peter needed to know where they ended up as adults. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
With such common names, it would be difficult. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
His best chance was to follow their fathers more unusual name | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and hope they had settled close to their parents. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
But it didn't go to plan. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
We can find him in the 1871 census with his children. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
We find him in the 1881 census. But, after that there's nothing. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:43 | |
The trail has gone cold. Had he died? Had he moved? Peter was stumped. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
Coming up, having reopened the case, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
he faced another insurmountable hurdle. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
We researched virtually every Evans family in the Llanvihangel area | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
and we weren't coming up with anything. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Was Peter going to abandoned the heir hunt for a second time? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
Heir hunter's work hard to solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
ensuring millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Not every case can be cracked. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
the heir hunters and remain unclaimed. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
These estates stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
Today, we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
Paul Anthony Bebb died in Mexborough Doncaster in January 2007. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:52 | |
Bebb is a Celtic name and the vast majority of Bebbs are in Wales. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
Could you be related? Does Bebb ring a bell with you? | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Maria Ellen Quint died in Kent in March, way back in 1960. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:06 | |
Some new assets must have come to light for her | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
to appear on the list, 40 years after her death. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
Do you remember her? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
Doreen Hadlum died in Gillingham, Kent, in December 2004. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Hadlum is an extremely rare surname. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
There are only a handful of Hadlums in the UK. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
Do you have this surname? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Could Doreen be a distant family member? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
If no heirs are found, her money will go to the government. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
All these states are worth at least £5,000 but could be a lot more. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
Only successful heirs will be told. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
If the names Paul Bebb, Maria Quint or Doreen Hadlum mean | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
anything to you, or someone you know, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
Heir hunter, Peter Birchwood, was working on the case of Josiah Arthur Webbe. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
He died aged 86, leaving an estate worth £70,000. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
Pete had begun looking for his heirs in 2009, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
but when the paternal trail led to the Caribbean, he hit a brick wall. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
It's not an area where we've ever had to research in the past, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
so, we didn't have any agents there to help us out. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
With a name like Elizabeth Evans, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
chasing heirs on his mother's side, was a daunting prospect. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Evans is not the sort of name that's easy to research. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
Peter threw in the towel. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
The following year, he decided to give the heir hunt another go. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
He traced the deceased's maternal grandfather, Solomon, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
and found he had three children, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
Josiah Arthur's mother, Elizabeth, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
another daughter, Jane, and a son, David. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
But then records of the head of the family disappeared. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
We find him in the 1881 census, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
but after that, there's nothing. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
Then, at last, they had some luck. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
We actually had one of our researchers go through | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
the records again this time looking for misspellings, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
mis-transcriptions of Solomon's name. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
His name had been misspelt. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
He had died in 1880s and his death certificate gave the family's address. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
Peter hoped his children had stayed in the area. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
He started by looking for Jane. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
We checked to see if we could find marriages for her, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
that's the most likely possibility | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
but even restricting it to the area we could find | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
probably about 130 marriages of a Jane Evans, any one of which could be correct. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
We decided that it was too difficult, we couldn't find anything. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
We had put all of our research onto David Evans. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Peter's last hope of finding any of Josiah Arthur's heirs | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
now rested on his uncle, with the common name of David Evans. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Eventually we found a David Evans in the census who, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:21 | |
we think, is definitely the right person | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
because he's born in the right area. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
He is the right age and he married a Jane Pugh. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:32 | |
David Evans's father was Solomon, who was a quarry man, deceased. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
So that identified it for us. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
He discovered that David was the foreman at Dolgellau Station | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
in Snowdonia, at the turn of the century. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
It was part of the Cambrian railway network | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
and at the height of the steam age. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
It linked large parts of mid and North Wales | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
and the Shropshire border. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
David Evans was the, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
I'd suppose you would call him today, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
the station inspector | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
up at Dolgellau. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
It was his job to ensure that the whole of the station, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
the yard itself ran efficiently. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
He would be in charge of all the shunters, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
make certain that all the signals were working properly. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Even, would you believe, getting a brush out and cleaning the platform station. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:23 | |
That was his job. A very important job. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
The station opened in 1868, but nothing remains of it today, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
after it was demolished to make way for a bypass in the 1970s. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
The railway station was the hub of everything. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
There was very little transport, cars and buses and things like that. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
Everybody came and went by train. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
You'd get all the milk churns, and everything like that, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
all the parcels, chickens, you name it, everything went by it. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
Even fish, would you believe, was taken by rail. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
David and his wife Jane had five children, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
two sons, Griffith Solomon and David Charles | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
and three daughters, Jennie Enid, Nira and Mair. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
If they were still alive, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:10 | |
they would be Josiah Arthur's first cousins and heirs to his estate. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
At last, Peter felt he was getting closer. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
I was beginning to think that somewhere out there there were | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
live people who we could contact | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
and tell them about their inheritance. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Peter began by looking for the eldest child, Griffith. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
He discovered that he had died in Shrewsbury in 1972. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
I did find a couple of neighbours who remembered him | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
but the indications that I had were that the Griffith Solomon Evans, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:47 | |
we were looking for, did not have any children. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
With a more common name than his brother, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
David Evans was going to be hard to find. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
Instead, Peter thought that his sisters, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
with their more unusual names would be easier. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
The first girl was Jennie Enid | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
and that's a name that you wouldn't think there will be too many of them. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:10 | |
Mair and Nira, the three girls in the family. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
But, the complication turned out to be that Jennie Enid married | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
an Evans and Nira married an Evans | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
and, at least, during the first searches, we couldn't find Mair marrying at all. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:31 | |
So two of the Evans girls had married other Evans. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
It was a researcher's nightmare. Peter asked his son, Hector, in his London office for help. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
He took on the massive task of searching through | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
all the records to try and find them. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
Finally, after all the dead ends and disappointments, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
there was a breakthrough. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
I was just about to close up the office and I got a phone calls | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
and e-mails from Hector saying he thought that he had identified | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
a lady who was definitely one of the members of the family. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
At last, after two years, this tough case finally had an heir | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
Iola was Nira's daughter, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
which made her Josiah Arthur's cousin once removed. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
When Peter called her, she was confused. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
He kept mentioning a surname Webbe and Evans and I didn't know a Webbe. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
Only when he mentioned about that's where there was a Webbe | 0:28:26 | 0:28:33 | |
in Liverpool who had married Elizabeth, that was my grandfather's sister. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:39 | |
Then I realised that there must be a connection | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
because my mother used to talk about an aunt in Liverpool. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
Iola had never heard of Josiah Arthur | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
but she does remember visiting his uncle, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
station foreman, David Evans, her maternal grandfather. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
We always used to very excited when we were going on the steam engine | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
to go to Dolgellau to my grandparents home. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:09 | |
Since finding Iola, Peter has discovered another part | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
of the maternal family that he didn't know about and has made | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
contact with many more beneficiaries to Josiah Arthur's £70,000 estate. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:21 | |
We've got eight or ten heirs that we are representing right now. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:27 | |
We would really hope that they'll be another two or three | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
once we find this missing branch. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
On and off, the case took two years to crack. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
The paternal heirs in the Caribbean were never found | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
but Peter's persistence with the Evans side of the family | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
eventually paid off. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
Although at times we thought that it really was going to end up | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
that they'd be no heirs, I'm really very happy | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
that I've been proved wrong. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
There are a number of them out there and we found them. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
I think it is very sad that we are inheriting this money | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
from the Webbe family, which we didn't know existed. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:08 | |
Heir Hunters Fraser & Fraser were working on the case of Robin Hunt. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
He died in Bournemouth in March 2011 | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
leaving an estate worth an estimated £200,000, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
but no will. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
The team got off to a good start | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
and thought they'd found his parents marriage | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
but, after speaking to an old neighbour, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
they discovered they'd been barking up the wrong tree. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Right. That's all wrong. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
After two hours research, it was back to the drawing board. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
Robin Hunt ran a pub in Banbury, Oxfordshire | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
with his parents in the 1970s. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Tony Bell took over as landlord and remembers him as a sociable man. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
Well, I think it was sort of mum and dad ran the front of the pub | 0:31:02 | 0:31:10 | |
and then, behind-the-scenes there was a big function room upstairs | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
which, I think Robin used to organise a sort of a party atmosphere, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
discos, young people's clubs, that sort of thing. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:27 | |
People don't go to parties | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
if they don't like the person who's organising them, you know, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
so, I mean, I suppose he was a bit of a party animal. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
Everybody knows who's working behind the bar, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
and he was quite well-known in Banbury. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
Back on the hunt for Robin's heirs, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
they still don't have his parents' full names. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
Without them, they can't look for heirs. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Still unable to find a record of their marriage, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
manager Frances has a theory. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
Has somebody checked whether it's also under Honeyball? | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
Roger. Roger. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
Very quick, can you check, it's very important? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
That this goes under Honeyball. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
December '41, Honeyball. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
It is. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:21 | |
They got married. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
Well done, Frances. She's solved the mystery. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
So, Robin was born illegitimately. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
He was registered, not just under his father's name, Hunt, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
as is the case for married couples, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
but his mother's name, Honeyball, too | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
They registered under both names. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Both parents would sign the register. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Means they're not married. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
So what is the Hunt connection then? | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
It's wartime. She had a relationship with a Mr Hunt. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
Now, Mr Hunt could well have been a married man. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
The records still only show surnames | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
and now, as no marriage certificate exists, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
the only other document that would give them his parents' full names | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
is Robin's birth certificate. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
That birth is under a Honeyball as well, by the way. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
The parents are not married. We definitely need that birth. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
With Bob still busy in Bournemouth, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
David calls a second on-the-road researcher, Bob Barrett, for help. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
-Hello? -Hello, Bob. -Hiya. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
Merchant register office. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
We're still supposedly looking up the birth. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
Which one's this for? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
This is on the case of Hunt, Robin Hunt. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
We really do need his birth, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
we can't identify the parents' names without it, I don't think. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
OK, on the way, then. Cheers. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:45 | |
Thanks, Bob. Bye. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
We've waited an hour, an hour and a half now and they still haven't | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
said they've got it, so, I did want to go over there myself two hours ago | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
and decided not to because they said they would do it, so we are stuck. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
We need to get that birth certificate. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
That's the document we haven't been able to get our hands on yet. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Meanwhile, Robin's old neighbour has called in | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
with some more information. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:14 | |
I believe you called. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
Christchurch Cemetery. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
Frances, the mother's buried in Christchurch Cemetery. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
What about contacting Christchurch Cemetery? | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
If they can get Robin's mother's full name | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
without waiting for the birth certificate, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
they could at last start the hunt for heirs. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
While the team chase the cemetery, David wants Bob in Bournemouth | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
to chase another lead from the neighbour. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
What I've been told is that the mother probably died | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
about the 1980s, was last known to be living in a bungalow in Kingston. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
It's like a small village outside the confines of Bournemouth. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
It's a long shot, but Bob's off to the library | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
to check the old electoral rolls | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
and see if he can find Robin's mother's name that way. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
It may take a while. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
Our address is 1363. And it stops at 1362. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
Back in the office, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
they've discovered a website for Christchurch Cemetery. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
We don't know what surnamed Mum used | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
and we certainly don't know what their first names were. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
But it would appear to work, by putting in the name, Hunt, there were | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
certainly four people by the name of Hunt | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
buried in Christchurch Cemetery. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
But you can't always rely on the internet. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Look at the names of the cemeteries. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
You've got Ruru Lawns... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
Dunedin... | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
Yeah... | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
Doesn't sound like Christchurch, Dorset. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Definitely one thing I can say to you, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
she's definitely not buried in Christchurch, New Zealand! | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
Determined to get the stalled investigation moving, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
Frances calls the right Christchurch Cemetery. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Thank you so much! | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
Wonderful. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:08 | |
-Cracked it. -So who is her husband? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Harold Stanley Hunt who died in 1976. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
It is the breakthrough they've been waiting for. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
An absolute long-shot that we were... | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
David had been told that the deceased's mum | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
had been buried in Christchurch cemetery in Dorset. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Normally, cemeteries won't check their records. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
Or don't have the facility to check records | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
without an exact name and an exact age of death. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
Fortunately the lady did a search | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
and Ellen Marie Hunt who died in 1979 | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
had purchased the grave in 1976 | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
when her husband Harold Stanley Hunt died in 1976. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
So, bingo. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
Good old-fashioned detective work paid dividends. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Although she was not married, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
Robin's mother Ellen Honeyball used his father's surname, Hunt. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Now they know his parents full names, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
they won't need Robin's birth certificate after all. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
There is a corresponding birth for her | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
as Ellen Marie Honeyball in Edmonton. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
So, fantastic. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Finally, they can now start searching for Robin's possible heirs. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
But there's still one mystery they still need to solve. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
Why were his parents, known as Mr and Mrs Hunt, not married? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
I am absolutely convinced that for some reason | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
she could not marry him because he was already married to somebody else | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
and couldn't, for whatever reason, claim a divorce maybe. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
Before people start charging back looking at brothers and sisters | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
Harold had and what brothers and sisters Ellen had, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
we have got to have a look and see whether he himself | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
had a family that will be the first people entitled. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
If Harold Hunt had children with his wife, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
as half-siblings they would be first in line to inherit | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
Robin's estimated £200,000 estate before any full blood cousins. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
-What have you just found? -That's his first marriage, isn't it? | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
-28th. -Yes. -23 when he married. -Just as I suspected, he was married. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
To a lady called Helen Brown when he was 23 years old. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
The couple married in Paddington and records show | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
they had one daughter, Muriel, modern's half-sister. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
But there's bad news for the team. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
We believe the possible half-sister | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
of Robin Hunt the deceased has died quite young. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
She married, didn't have any children. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
If that's the case, she is the only half-sister, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
that means we will have to go and research back into the family. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
The researchers can't be sure she was Harold Hunt's only other child. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
But with no leads to follow, they decide their best bet | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
of finding heirs for Robin's estate is to trace his cousins. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
They start by looking for aunts and uncles. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
You got ten on that top line? | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
-Yes. -This side of the tree is jumping up. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
There's ten stems on it already. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
One of them, I've just heard, has seven children. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
We're talking of lots and lots of beneficiaries. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
I am hoping once we get this up, one of them may know something | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
about the deceased and may know if the father had any other children. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
But it's still a huge gamble to be working | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
that many stems on the mother's side | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
when we don't know what happened to near kin. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
They discover Robin has a huge family tree. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Four aunts and five uncles on his mother's side. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
And two aunts on his father's. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
It will take more than a day to track them all down. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
A couple of hundred hours working on this today. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Lots and lots of staff and a huge amount of expense so far for us | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
and it's not finished yet. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
It's day two on the case, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
and on-the-road investigator Bob Barrett is on his way to meet Joyce. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
She's Robin's cousin through his Uncle Robert. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Although confined to bed, she's agreed to see him. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
The person that has died, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
I don't know if they told you who it was in the office, did you know him? | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
Very vaguely. I haven't seen him since my father died. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
Right, so it wasn't a huge shock or anything? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
Another on the road investigator Ewart Lindsay | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
is meeting Victor, he is Robin's cousin once removed. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
-The grandson of his Aunt Dora. -Just confirm your full name for me. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
-Victor Cyril... -Did you know the deceased? | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
There was no communication between the previous generations and him. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:05 | |
It's a pity really. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
We don't know how much the estate is worth. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
At the moment, we don't know how many people will have to share it. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
But there'll be a good few. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
-'Hello.' -Hello, David. Bob Barrett. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
I have just seen Mrs Norman. She's bedridden. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:26 | |
The poor lady had a stroke about 15 years ago | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
and has been bedridden ever since. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
-'Oh, God.' -So she's signed. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
'Right, that's it. You're finished today.' | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
Bob's off home and Ewart's almost finished with the Victor. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
So, I'll leave you the agreement. OK? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Any queries you can give my colleague a call in the office. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
We knew of this sort of unmarried relationship | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
and that would have been a sensation in those days. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
We're talking 40, 50 years ago, more than that. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
That was a big no, no in those days. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
I certainly knew Robin existed, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
and when the phone call first came they talked about Harold | 0:42:09 | 0:42:15 | |
and the name Robin just came into my head immediately. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
I always wondered about Robin, what he did and so on and so on. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
As it turned out, he seems to have been about my age. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
It would have been interesting to have talked to him, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
I'm sorry we didn't. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
Victor's not sure how much he will inherit, but he has plans for it. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
We will probably help our two kids out with their house-buying. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
In the end, they found over 20 heirs | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
to Robin's estimated £200,000 estate | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
on the maternal and paternal sides of the family. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
Neil's fears of finding half-siblings failed to materialise. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
We can now conclude that the heirs which we have found | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
and which we do represent are the correct beneficiaries | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
and it is them who is going to share in the estate. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
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