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Today, the heir hunters are looking into an estate worth an estimated £200,000.

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Just a question of sitting here and waiting now.

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Somewhere, out there, are some long lost relatives,

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who have no idea they're in line for a windfall.

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Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door?

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On today's show,

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even finding close family proves a struggle.

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Right.

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That's all wrong.

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And the search for a sailor's heirs

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is hampered by a very common surname.

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Every village has got maybe half a dozen different Evans families.

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Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit an unclaimed estate held by the Treasury.

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Could thousands of pounds be heading your way?

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Every year in the UK,

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an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will.

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If no relatives are found,

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then any money that's left behind goes to the government.

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Last year, they kept £14 million from unclaimed estates.

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That's where the heir hunters come in.

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They make it their business to track down missing relatives,

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and help them claim their just inheritance.

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It's about reuniting people with what's rightfully theirs.

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It's 7am at the offices of heir hunting company Fraser & Fraser.

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And they're already hard at work.

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The Treasury's list of people who have died without a will has just been released.

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The case of Robin Hunt has caught the eye of senior partner Neil Fraser.

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Records show that he did own his own flat, which he sold in 2001.

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But, after that, there's no trace of him.

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The case of Hunt, we're looking at initially, because

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it would appear that the old property was sold for £85,000.

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We think he's probably moved

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to a nursing home or a sheltered accommodation,

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and they haven't put him on the electoral roll.

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To find out if they are right,

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they need to see Robin's death certificate.

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The heir hunters earn their money by charging a percentage of the estate for their services.

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The team need to know if he owned his own property and, if so, what it's worth.

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Morning, Bob.

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While most of the research is done by the office team,

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they rely on frontline investigators, like Bob Smith,

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to follow leads, sign up heirs,

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and determine the estate's value.

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We'll pick up a copy of his death certificate.

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See where he died.

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Make enquiries at that address.

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Robin Hunt died in Bournemouth, on the 9th March 2011, aged 69,

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without a will.

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His friend Shane only knew him towards the end of his life,

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when ill health meant he was often housebound.

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He had breathing difficulties.

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We also had bad legs,

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so he suffered with walking.

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He was on a lot of medication.

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But, despite his problems, he remembers Robin as a cheerful man.

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He could still laugh, and crack a smile.

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It didn't matter what happened, nothing ever got him down.

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And when it did, he bounced back so fast.

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Shane recalls how Robin always seemed to have a deal on the go.

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He was a wheeler and dealer.

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Even when I knew him,

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he'd always be going on about making money.

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He was always interested in properties.

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He'd be doing the figures, working out where a pound can be made, stuff like that.

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Quite a clever man.

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The team are making a start on Robin's family tree.

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They think he was born in Surrey.

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The records, which only show surnames, list his parents as Hunt and Honeyball.

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Without his birth certificate, which includes their full names,

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it's hard to make progress.

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But, as the Register Office isn't open yet,

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researcher Rihanna is looking for their marriage.

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There's actually two marriages.

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-Two marriages of a Hunt to Honeyball?

-Yeah. So I'm eliminating the Poplar...

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So where was the other marriage? Where was the marriage, where were the two marriages?

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Chelsea and Poplar.

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-They could be any, could be either, couldn't it?

-Yeah.

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As Robin was a bachelor, and did not have children,

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his closest heirs would be siblings.

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If they can find his parents' marriage, they can start to search for them.

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But, at the moment, it's all guesswork.

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There's two marriages for Hunt to Honeyball.

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The parents' marriages.

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But there's all these births.

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Following a hunch that the Chelsea marriage is the correct one,

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Rihanna has identified four possible siblings born in Surrey.

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The youngest one was in 1944.

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The oldest in 1929.

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So it's pretty good.

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It's likely that one of them, at least, could be alive. That would be really good.

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-He was born in...

-Surrey.

-Surrey.

-Mm hm.

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So there's another birth, other births in Surrey.

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And then one's in Epsom.

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Right, so you got births in Poplar that time with that marriage.

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In other words, it's the Chelsea marriage.

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And then, where the parents are born, Epsom, Chelsea.

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-I think you might have something there, Rihanna.

-Yeah. I think I do.

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Case manager David Pacifico is feeling confident.

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It looks like we've got sibling still alive.

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The team get to work, trying to find Robin's brothers and sisters.

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I'm just looking for a Barbara Hunt,

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to see if she's still alive.

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I'm working on Stuart W Hunt.

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He is the brother of the deceased.

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He may have lost contact with the family, for whatever reason.

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What we need to do is to trace and contact the first person,

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and go from there.

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While the team trace the siblings,

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David tries calling one of Robin's old neighbours,

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to see what he can find out.

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I represent a company of probate researchers.

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We've been trying to track down the next of kin of a Mr Robin Hunt.

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The father would have died in Christchurch,

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so would the mother.

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Do you think he was an only child,

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or do you think he may have had any brothers or sisters?

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He was an only child.

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Alarm bells are ringing for David.

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The parents they've been chasing had more than one child,

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and lived in Surrey.

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Thank you. Bye bye.

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That's all wrong.

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The parents both died in Christchurch.

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It doesn't, it's totally different from that family.

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Right.

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That's all wrong.

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I've spoken to a neighbour.

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It's terrible news, they've been investigating the wrong family.

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The deceased did not have siblings,

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and his parents lived in Christchurch.

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-That is wrong.

-What's wrong?

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-The complete...

-This is no good?

-No.

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I spoke to a neighbour that knew him for the last 13 years.

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-That family is wrong?

-That family is definitely wrong.

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Unfortunately she can't remember the names of the parents.

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David needs the full names of Robin's parents, fast.

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It's now nine o'clock, and they've lost valuable time.

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We need to get this birth.

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Can somebody phone up one of the Surreys, and see which Surrey it is?

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After checking Surrey's Register Offices,

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the team finally order the birth certificate from neighbouring Merton.

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But it could take a while.

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In the meantime, David wants to check

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if the second marriage they've found of Charles Hunt and Mabel Honeyball, in Poplar,

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could be Robin's parents.

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What they need to know is where they died.

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Can you check for the death of Charles F Hunt, and Mabel Hunt, see where they come out?

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Because I think that marriage might be right.

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They should have died in Christchurch.

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The neighbour's valuable information has saved them time.

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She's also given them the address of a flat in Bournemouth,

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owned by the deceased when he died.

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So, if there's property involved, there should be money in the estate.

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He's bought about five flats since he left that one.

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It seems Robin liked to dabble in property.

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But, what they need to know is what his last flat was worth.

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He owns a property. However, there's a charge on that property,

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which looks like, to me, equity release.

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We don't know how much equity he has released from that property.

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It could be 100%, it could be 10%. We just don't know at the moment.

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So, with property involved, they know the case has value.

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But, with money borrowed against the flat, they can't be sure how much.

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Down in Bournemouth,

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Bob has confirmed Robin's last address of his death certificate.

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The office want him to check the flat out,

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and get an idea of what it's worth.

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Looks quite nice, looks as if it's a private residential area.

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Not local authority. So

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I'll just make enquiries with the neighbours.

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DOOR BUZZER

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On the landing where the deceased lived,

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no one answered the doors.

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So, Bob hasn't had much luck,

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and it's the same story back in the office.

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While they wait for the birth certificate,

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the team aren't sure which leads to follow.

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Shall we check an adoption for him?

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If we go with that Poplar marriage, we can't disprove that yet, right?

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Perhaps he is adopted.

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Are you working up those two births?

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Is there anything positive...

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Can someone give Roger a hand,

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working up the Poplar marriage?

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Coming up: Heir hunter Frances has a controversial theory

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about why they can't identify Robin's family.

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It's war time.

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She had a relationship with a Mr Hunt.

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Now, Mr Hunt could well have been a married man.

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Could Frances be onto something?

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And will it lead to Robin's elusive parents?

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In 2009, heir hunters Celtic Research began looking into a case

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that they thought would be easy.

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But, faced with an international family,

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and one of the UK's most common surnames,

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after nine months' research, they gave up.

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Without a connection, we just couldn't make a claim.

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The following year, they reopen the case.

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And, this time, they were determined to crack it.

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Josiah Arthur Webbe died on January 19th 1987, aged 86.

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He left an estate worth £70,000.

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He was a sailor, and lived in a small village by the sea,

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in Gwynedd, North Wales.

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Sadly, there are no known existing photos of the man himself.

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But family friend Gwyn Jones and his sister Haf remember him fondly.

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Well, Arthur had a typical seafarer's complexion,

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which was in fitting with his background on the seas.

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He was very popular in the village.

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Lots of people thought the world of Arthur.

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A very, very kind person.

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When his name was published on the weekly Treasury list,

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heir hunter Peter Birchwood took up the case.

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Unlike their standard jobs, where the deceased dies without a will,

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Josiah Arthur had written one, but there was a problem with it.

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Josiah Arthur Webbe left a will.

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He'd made out all of his assets to his wife.

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But, unfortunately, as she predeceased him,

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the will was not valid.

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Josiah Arthur's will hadn't named any other family or friends as beneficiaries.

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And he did not have children.

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So, Peter began his search for blood relatives who would inherit his money.

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In the heir hunting game, names are everything,

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and Josiah Arthur's surname was a good start.

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Webbe is one of those names that can be spelt several different ways.

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And, when we've got it spelt with an 'e' on the end, it's relatively uncommon.

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From the date of his death, Peter managed to find Arthur's birth certificate,

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and the names of his parents.

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His mother, Elizabeth Evans, married his father,

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also from Josiah Arthur Webbe, in 1897.

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Peter discovered that the sea was something of a theme in the Webbe family,

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starting with his father.

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Josiah Arthur senior was a second mate for the merchant Navy.

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The Merchant Navies consisted of hundreds of private companies

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running merchant ships, from huge passenger liners,

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to very undistinguished trunk ships of 3,000 or 4,000 tonnes.

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Down to small coasters running around the coast.

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But, in World War I, the Merchant Navy became part of the war effort.

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Trade and export abroad still had to continue,

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despite Britain being at war with Germany.

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Josiah Arthur Senior was sailing the seas at an extremely dangerous time.

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During the start of the war,

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he sailed for three years with no protection from the Navy against German attack.

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And it was during this dire period of the war

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that the SS Whitgift, that Josiah Senior sailed on,

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fell victim to German attack.

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She was on a voyage from Spain to Britain,

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with a cargo of iron ore.

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An immensely heavy cargo.

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So the ship was loaded down to her marks,

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and there was still an enormous amount of space in her holds.

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So, when she was struck by a torpedo from U-67,

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somewhere off Ushant, in the outer reaches of the English Channel,

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she sank very quickly.

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And, in the case of the Whitgift, all her crew were lost, 33 men.

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Despite losing his father whilst still in his teens,

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Josiah Arthur followed in his footsteps,

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and joined the Merchant Navy himself.

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One of the things that we learned about Mr Webbe

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from speaking to people in the village

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was that he had been a retired sea captain, a master mariner.

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That, of course, was also listed on his death record.

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So, it didn't really surprise us when we found that he was

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actually born not in North Wales, where he died,

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but in Liverpool where his father was also in the merchant marines.

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From his parents marriage certificate, Peter discovered

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that Josiah Arthur had had a brother, David,

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but he had died before him, without children.

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With close kin ruled out,

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Peter would need to go up the paternal family tree

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to try and trace Josiah Arthur's aunt or uncles.

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To find his grandparents he began by checking Josiah senior's

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birth certificate and he made a surprising discovery.

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We found out on the census, the 1901 and the 1911 census,

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Josiah had been born in the Caribbean on the island of Nevis.

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He found out the deceased's grandfather, Charles Webbe,

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had been a sugar planter.

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In the late 17th century,

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Nevis was one of the headquarters of the British slave trade.

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With high-quality sugarcane produced on the island,

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and using African slaves for labour,

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Nevis became a great source of wealth from Britain

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and possibly the Webbe family.

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Although Charles would have been planting his sugar

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after the abolition of slavery, it's clear from further records

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that the Webbe family in Nevis had owed to slaves.

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That might have been the great grandfather of the deceased

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because we did find indications of slave owning

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in the sugar plantations there.

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So far the case had gone smoothly but Josiah Arthur senior's

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Caribbean roots spelt disaster for Peter's hunt.

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It really wasn't a financial possibility for one

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or other of us to go over.

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If we could get an agent on Nevis to do the research,

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then that would be the way to go.

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But, we couldn't find anyone who could do the work

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or would be willing to even take a look at the research.

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It was a massive blow. The paternal search for heirs had to be shelved.

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Now, the only hope of finding beneficiaries to Josiah Arthur's

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£70,000 estate rested with his mother, Elizabeth Evans.

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But Peter felt it wasn't going to be easy.

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Evans in North Wales, there are thousands of them.

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Every village has got maybe half a dozen different Evans families.

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He decided to admit defeat and close the case.

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The following year, determined not to be beaten,

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Peter began a fresh hunt for the heirs to Josiah Arthur's £70,000 estate.

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He made a start on the family tree of his mother, Elizabeth Evans.

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We know from her marriage to the father of the deceased

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that her own father is a Solomon Evans and Solomon is a quarry man.

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We know where they were living.

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We know where they were living at the time of the 1871 census.

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Peter discovered that the deceased grandfather, Solomon,

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and his wife Mary lived in Llanvihangel in North Wales.

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They had three children,

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Elizabeth, Josiah Arthur's mother, another daughter, Jane

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and a son, David.

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They would no longer be alive but if they had children,

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they would be Josiah Arthur's cousins and heirs to his estate.

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To try and find them,

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Peter needed to know where they ended up as adults.

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With such common names, it would be difficult.

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His best chance was to follow their fathers more unusual name

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and hope they had settled close to their parents.

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But it didn't go to plan.

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We can find him in the 1871 census with his children.

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We find him in the 1881 census. But, after that there's nothing.

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The trail has gone cold. Had he died? Had he moved? Peter was stumped.

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Coming up, having reopened the case,

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he faced another insurmountable hurdle.

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We researched virtually every Evans family in the Llanvihangel area

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and we weren't coming up with anything.

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Was Peter going to abandoned the heir hunt for a second time?

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Heir hunter's work hard to solve thousands of cases a year,

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ensuring millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs.

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Not every case can be cracked.

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The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled

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the heir hunters and remain unclaimed.

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These estates stay on the list for up to 30 years

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and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions.

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Today, we're focusing on three names from the list.

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Are they relatives of yours?

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Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall?

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Paul Anthony Bebb died in Mexborough Doncaster in January 2007.

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Bebb is a Celtic name and the vast majority of Bebbs are in Wales.

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Could you be related? Does Bebb ring a bell with you?

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Maria Ellen Quint died in Kent in March, way back in 1960.

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Some new assets must have come to light for her

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to appear on the list, 40 years after her death.

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Do you remember her?

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Doreen Hadlum died in Gillingham, Kent, in December 2004.

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Hadlum is an extremely rare surname.

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There are only a handful of Hadlums in the UK.

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Do you have this surname?

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Could Doreen be a distant family member?

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If no heirs are found, her money will go to the government.

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All these states are worth at least £5,000 but could be a lot more.

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Only successful heirs will be told.

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If the names Paul Bebb, Maria Quint or Doreen Hadlum mean

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anything to you, or someone you know,

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you could have a fortune coming your way.

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Heir hunter, Peter Birchwood, was working on the case of Josiah Arthur Webbe.

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He died aged 86, leaving an estate worth £70,000.

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Pete had begun looking for his heirs in 2009,

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but when the paternal trail led to the Caribbean, he hit a brick wall.

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It's not an area where we've ever had to research in the past,

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so, we didn't have any agents there to help us out.

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With a name like Elizabeth Evans,

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chasing heirs on his mother's side, was a daunting prospect.

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Evans is not the sort of name that's easy to research.

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Peter threw in the towel.

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The following year, he decided to give the heir hunt another go.

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He traced the deceased's maternal grandfather, Solomon,

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and found he had three children,

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Josiah Arthur's mother, Elizabeth,

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another daughter, Jane, and a son, David.

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But then records of the head of the family disappeared.

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We find him in the 1881 census,

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but after that, there's nothing.

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Then, at last, they had some luck.

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We actually had one of our researchers go through

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the records again this time looking for misspellings,

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mis-transcriptions of Solomon's name.

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His name had been misspelt.

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He had died in 1880s and his death certificate gave the family's address.

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Peter hoped his children had stayed in the area.

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He started by looking for Jane.

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We checked to see if we could find marriages for her,

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that's the most likely possibility

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but even restricting it to the area we could find

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probably about 130 marriages of a Jane Evans, any one of which could be correct.

0:23:500:23:56

We decided that it was too difficult, we couldn't find anything.

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We had put all of our research onto David Evans.

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Peter's last hope of finding any of Josiah Arthur's heirs

0:24:070:24:10

now rested on his uncle, with the common name of David Evans.

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Eventually we found a David Evans in the census who,

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we think, is definitely the right person

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because he's born in the right area.

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He is the right age and he married a Jane Pugh.

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David Evans's father was Solomon, who was a quarry man, deceased.

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So that identified it for us.

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He discovered that David was the foreman at Dolgellau Station

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in Snowdonia, at the turn of the century.

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It was part of the Cambrian railway network

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and at the height of the steam age.

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It linked large parts of mid and North Wales

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and the Shropshire border.

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David Evans was the,

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I'd suppose you would call him today,

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the station inspector

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up at Dolgellau.

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It was his job to ensure that the whole of the station,

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the yard itself ran efficiently.

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He would be in charge of all the shunters,

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make certain that all the signals were working properly.

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Even, would you believe, getting a brush out and cleaning the platform station.

0:25:170:25:23

That was his job. A very important job.

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The station opened in 1868, but nothing remains of it today,

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after it was demolished to make way for a bypass in the 1970s.

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The railway station was the hub of everything.

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There was very little transport, cars and buses and things like that.

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Everybody came and went by train.

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You'd get all the milk churns, and everything like that,

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all the parcels, chickens, you name it, everything went by it.

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Even fish, would you believe, was taken by rail.

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David and his wife Jane had five children,

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two sons, Griffith Solomon and David Charles

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and three daughters, Jennie Enid, Nira and Mair.

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If they were still alive,

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they would be Josiah Arthur's first cousins and heirs to his estate.

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At last, Peter felt he was getting closer.

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I was beginning to think that somewhere out there there were

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live people who we could contact

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and tell them about their inheritance.

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Peter began by looking for the eldest child, Griffith.

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He discovered that he had died in Shrewsbury in 1972.

0:26:330:26:37

I did find a couple of neighbours who remembered him

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but the indications that I had were that the Griffith Solomon Evans,

0:26:400:26:47

we were looking for, did not have any children.

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With a more common name than his brother,

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David Evans was going to be hard to find.

0:26:530:26:56

Instead, Peter thought that his sisters,

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with their more unusual names would be easier.

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The first girl was Jennie Enid

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and that's a name that you wouldn't think there will be too many of them.

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Mair and Nira, the three girls in the family.

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But, the complication turned out to be that Jennie Enid married

0:27:150:27:20

an Evans and Nira married an Evans

0:27:200:27:24

and, at least, during the first searches, we couldn't find Mair marrying at all.

0:27:240:27:31

So two of the Evans girls had married other Evans.

0:27:310:27:35

It was a researcher's nightmare. Peter asked his son, Hector, in his London office for help.

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He took on the massive task of searching through

0:27:400:27:43

all the records to try and find them.

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Finally, after all the dead ends and disappointments,

0:27:450:27:48

there was a breakthrough.

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I was just about to close up the office and I got a phone calls

0:27:510:27:55

and e-mails from Hector saying he thought that he had identified

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a lady who was definitely one of the members of the family.

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At last, after two years, this tough case finally had an heir

0:28:070:28:12

Iola was Nira's daughter,

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which made her Josiah Arthur's cousin once removed.

0:28:150:28:18

When Peter called her, she was confused.

0:28:180:28:21

He kept mentioning a surname Webbe and Evans and I didn't know a Webbe.

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Only when he mentioned about that's where there was a Webbe

0:28:260:28:33

in Liverpool who had married Elizabeth, that was my grandfather's sister.

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Then I realised that there must be a connection

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because my mother used to talk about an aunt in Liverpool.

0:28:440:28:49

Iola had never heard of Josiah Arthur

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but she does remember visiting his uncle,

0:28:520:28:55

station foreman, David Evans, her maternal grandfather.

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We always used to very excited when we were going on the steam engine

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to go to Dolgellau to my grandparents home.

0:29:030:29:09

Since finding Iola, Peter has discovered another part

0:29:090:29:12

of the maternal family that he didn't know about and has made

0:29:120:29:15

contact with many more beneficiaries to Josiah Arthur's £70,000 estate.

0:29:150:29:21

We've got eight or ten heirs that we are representing right now.

0:29:210:29:27

We would really hope that they'll be another two or three

0:29:270:29:32

once we find this missing branch.

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On and off, the case took two years to crack.

0:29:340:29:38

The paternal heirs in the Caribbean were never found

0:29:380:29:40

but Peter's persistence with the Evans side of the family

0:29:400:29:43

eventually paid off.

0:29:430:29:46

Although at times we thought that it really was going to end up

0:29:460:29:49

that they'd be no heirs, I'm really very happy

0:29:490:29:52

that I've been proved wrong.

0:29:520:29:54

There are a number of them out there and we found them.

0:29:540:29:57

I think it is very sad that we are inheriting this money

0:29:570:30:02

from the Webbe family, which we didn't know existed.

0:30:020:30:08

Heir Hunters Fraser & Fraser were working on the case of Robin Hunt.

0:30:140:30:17

He died in Bournemouth in March 2011

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leaving an estate worth an estimated £200,000,

0:30:200:30:25

but no will.

0:30:250:30:27

The team got off to a good start

0:30:270:30:29

and thought they'd found his parents marriage

0:30:290:30:31

but, after speaking to an old neighbour,

0:30:310:30:34

they discovered they'd been barking up the wrong tree.

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Right. That's all wrong.

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After two hours research, it was back to the drawing board.

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Robin Hunt ran a pub in Banbury, Oxfordshire

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with his parents in the 1970s.

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Tony Bell took over as landlord and remembers him as a sociable man.

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Well, I think it was sort of mum and dad ran the front of the pub

0:31:020:31:10

and then, behind-the-scenes there was a big function room upstairs

0:31:100:31:15

which, I think Robin used to organise a sort of a party atmosphere,

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discos, young people's clubs, that sort of thing.

0:31:200:31:27

People don't go to parties

0:31:300:31:31

if they don't like the person who's organising them, you know,

0:31:310:31:34

so, I mean, I suppose he was a bit of a party animal.

0:31:340:31:38

Everybody knows who's working behind the bar,

0:31:380:31:42

and he was quite well-known in Banbury.

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Back on the hunt for Robin's heirs,

0:31:500:31:53

they still don't have his parents' full names.

0:31:530:31:55

Without them, they can't look for heirs.

0:31:550:31:59

Still unable to find a record of their marriage,

0:31:590:32:01

manager Frances has a theory.

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Has somebody checked whether it's also under Honeyball?

0:32:040:32:08

Roger. Roger.

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Very quick, can you check, it's very important?

0:32:110:32:14

That this goes under Honeyball.

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December '41, Honeyball.

0:32:160:32:18

It is.

0:32:200:32:21

They got married.

0:32:220:32:24

Well done, Frances. She's solved the mystery.

0:32:240:32:28

So, Robin was born illegitimately.

0:32:280:32:30

He was registered, not just under his father's name, Hunt,

0:32:300:32:34

as is the case for married couples,

0:32:340:32:36

but his mother's name, Honeyball, too

0:32:360:32:39

They registered under both names.

0:32:390:32:41

Both parents would sign the register.

0:32:410:32:43

Means they're not married.

0:32:430:32:45

So what is the Hunt connection then?

0:32:450:32:48

It's wartime. She had a relationship with a Mr Hunt.

0:32:490:32:54

Now, Mr Hunt could well have been a married man.

0:32:550:32:58

The records still only show surnames

0:32:580:33:01

and now, as no marriage certificate exists,

0:33:010:33:04

the only other document that would give them his parents' full names

0:33:040:33:07

is Robin's birth certificate.

0:33:070:33:10

That birth is under a Honeyball as well, by the way.

0:33:100:33:13

The parents are not married. We definitely need that birth.

0:33:130:33:17

With Bob still busy in Bournemouth,

0:33:170:33:20

David calls a second on-the-road researcher, Bob Barrett, for help.

0:33:200:33:24

-Hello?

-Hello, Bob.

-Hiya.

0:33:240:33:27

Merchant register office.

0:33:270:33:28

We're still supposedly looking up the birth.

0:33:280:33:31

Which one's this for?

0:33:310:33:33

This is on the case of Hunt, Robin Hunt.

0:33:330:33:37

We really do need his birth,

0:33:370:33:39

we can't identify the parents' names without it, I don't think.

0:33:390:33:44

OK, on the way, then. Cheers.

0:33:440:33:45

Thanks, Bob. Bye.

0:33:450:33:47

We've waited an hour, an hour and a half now and they still haven't

0:33:490:33:54

said they've got it, so, I did want to go over there myself two hours ago

0:33:540:33:59

and decided not to because they said they would do it, so we are stuck.

0:33:590:34:02

We need to get that birth certificate.

0:34:020:34:05

That's the document we haven't been able to get our hands on yet.

0:34:050:34:08

Meanwhile, Robin's old neighbour has called in

0:34:100:34:13

with some more information.

0:34:130:34:14

I believe you called.

0:34:140:34:16

Christchurch Cemetery.

0:34:160:34:19

Frances, the mother's buried in Christchurch Cemetery.

0:34:190:34:24

What about contacting Christchurch Cemetery?

0:34:240:34:26

If they can get Robin's mother's full name

0:34:260:34:29

without waiting for the birth certificate,

0:34:290:34:32

they could at last start the hunt for heirs.

0:34:320:34:34

While the team chase the cemetery, David wants Bob in Bournemouth

0:34:360:34:40

to chase another lead from the neighbour.

0:34:400:34:43

What I've been told is that the mother probably died

0:34:430:34:46

about the 1980s, was last known to be living in a bungalow in Kingston.

0:34:460:34:51

It's like a small village outside the confines of Bournemouth.

0:34:510:34:55

It's a long shot, but Bob's off to the library

0:34:550:34:58

to check the old electoral rolls

0:34:580:35:01

and see if he can find Robin's mother's name that way.

0:35:010:35:03

It may take a while.

0:35:030:35:06

Our address is 1363. And it stops at 1362.

0:35:060:35:11

Back in the office,

0:35:110:35:13

they've discovered a website for Christchurch Cemetery.

0:35:130:35:16

We don't know what surnamed Mum used

0:35:160:35:20

and we certainly don't know what their first names were.

0:35:200:35:23

But it would appear to work, by putting in the name, Hunt, there were

0:35:230:35:28

certainly four people by the name of Hunt

0:35:280:35:31

buried in Christchurch Cemetery.

0:35:310:35:35

But you can't always rely on the internet.

0:35:350:35:38

Look at the names of the cemeteries.

0:35:380:35:41

You've got Ruru Lawns...

0:35:410:35:43

Dunedin...

0:35:440:35:45

Yeah...

0:35:450:35:47

Doesn't sound like Christchurch, Dorset.

0:35:470:35:50

Definitely one thing I can say to you,

0:35:500:35:52

she's definitely not buried in Christchurch, New Zealand!

0:35:520:35:56

Determined to get the stalled investigation moving,

0:35:560:35:59

Frances calls the right Christchurch Cemetery.

0:35:590:36:03

Thank you so much!

0:36:030:36:05

Wonderful.

0:36:050:36:07

Thank you. Bye-bye.

0:36:070:36:08

-Cracked it.

-So who is her husband?

0:36:110:36:13

Harold Stanley Hunt who died in 1976.

0:36:130:36:18

It is the breakthrough they've been waiting for.

0:36:190:36:23

An absolute long-shot that we were...

0:36:230:36:26

David had been told that the deceased's mum

0:36:260:36:30

had been buried in Christchurch cemetery in Dorset.

0:36:300:36:34

Normally, cemeteries won't check their records.

0:36:340:36:39

Or don't have the facility to check records

0:36:390:36:42

without an exact name and an exact age of death.

0:36:420:36:47

Fortunately the lady did a search

0:36:470:36:50

and Ellen Marie Hunt who died in 1979

0:36:500:36:55

had purchased the grave in 1976

0:36:550:36:59

when her husband Harold Stanley Hunt died in 1976.

0:36:590:37:05

So, bingo.

0:37:050:37:07

Good old-fashioned detective work paid dividends.

0:37:070:37:10

Although she was not married,

0:37:100:37:13

Robin's mother Ellen Honeyball used his father's surname, Hunt.

0:37:130:37:16

Now they know his parents full names,

0:37:160:37:18

they won't need Robin's birth certificate after all.

0:37:180:37:21

There is a corresponding birth for her

0:37:210:37:25

as Ellen Marie Honeyball in Edmonton.

0:37:250:37:28

So, fantastic.

0:37:280:37:30

Finally, they can now start searching for Robin's possible heirs.

0:37:300:37:34

But there's still one mystery they still need to solve.

0:37:340:37:38

Why were his parents, known as Mr and Mrs Hunt, not married?

0:37:380:37:42

I am absolutely convinced that for some reason

0:37:420:37:45

she could not marry him because he was already married to somebody else

0:37:450:37:50

and couldn't, for whatever reason, claim a divorce maybe.

0:37:500:37:53

Before people start charging back looking at brothers and sisters

0:37:530:37:58

Harold had and what brothers and sisters Ellen had,

0:37:580:38:02

we have got to have a look and see whether he himself

0:38:020:38:05

had a family that will be the first people entitled.

0:38:050:38:10

If Harold Hunt had children with his wife,

0:38:100:38:14

as half-siblings they would be first in line to inherit

0:38:140:38:18

Robin's estimated £200,000 estate before any full blood cousins.

0:38:180:38:24

-What have you just found?

-That's his first marriage, isn't it?

0:38:240:38:27

-28th.

-Yes.

-23 when he married.

-Just as I suspected, he was married.

0:38:270:38:32

To a lady called Helen Brown when he was 23 years old.

0:38:340:38:39

The couple married in Paddington and records show

0:38:390:38:42

they had one daughter, Muriel, modern's half-sister.

0:38:420:38:46

But there's bad news for the team.

0:38:460:38:49

We believe the possible half-sister

0:38:490:38:53

of Robin Hunt the deceased has died quite young.

0:38:530:38:57

She married, didn't have any children.

0:38:570:39:01

If that's the case, she is the only half-sister,

0:39:010:39:04

that means we will have to go and research back into the family.

0:39:040:39:09

The researchers can't be sure she was Harold Hunt's only other child.

0:39:090:39:14

But with no leads to follow, they decide their best bet

0:39:140:39:17

of finding heirs for Robin's estate is to trace his cousins.

0:39:170:39:21

They start by looking for aunts and uncles.

0:39:210:39:23

You got ten on that top line?

0:39:230:39:26

-Yes.

-This side of the tree is jumping up.

0:39:260:39:28

There's ten stems on it already.

0:39:280:39:30

One of them, I've just heard, has seven children.

0:39:300:39:33

We're talking of lots and lots of beneficiaries.

0:39:330:39:35

I am hoping once we get this up, one of them may know something

0:39:350:39:39

about the deceased and may know if the father had any other children.

0:39:390:39:43

But it's still a huge gamble to be working

0:39:430:39:45

that many stems on the mother's side

0:39:450:39:47

when we don't know what happened to near kin.

0:39:470:39:49

They discover Robin has a huge family tree.

0:39:510:39:53

Four aunts and five uncles on his mother's side.

0:39:530:39:57

And two aunts on his father's.

0:39:570:39:59

It will take more than a day to track them all down.

0:39:590:40:02

A couple of hundred hours working on this today.

0:40:020:40:06

Lots and lots of staff and a huge amount of expense so far for us

0:40:060:40:11

and it's not finished yet.

0:40:110:40:13

It's day two on the case,

0:40:160:40:19

and on-the-road investigator Bob Barrett is on his way to meet Joyce.

0:40:190:40:22

She's Robin's cousin through his Uncle Robert.

0:40:220:40:26

Although confined to bed, she's agreed to see him.

0:40:260:40:30

The person that has died,

0:40:300:40:31

I don't know if they told you who it was in the office, did you know him?

0:40:310:40:35

Very vaguely. I haven't seen him since my father died.

0:40:350:40:39

Right, so it wasn't a huge shock or anything?

0:40:390:40:42

Another on the road investigator Ewart Lindsay

0:40:420:40:46

is meeting Victor, he is Robin's cousin once removed.

0:40:460:40:50

-The grandson of his Aunt Dora.

-Just confirm your full name for me.

0:40:500:40:54

-Victor Cyril...

-Did you know the deceased?

0:40:540:40:57

There was no communication between the previous generations and him.

0:40:570:41:05

It's a pity really.

0:41:050:41:07

We don't know how much the estate is worth.

0:41:070:41:10

At the moment, we don't know how many people will have to share it.

0:41:100:41:14

But there'll be a good few.

0:41:140:41:17

-'Hello.'

-Hello, David. Bob Barrett.

0:41:170:41:20

I have just seen Mrs Norman. She's bedridden.

0:41:200:41:26

The poor lady had a stroke about 15 years ago

0:41:260:41:29

and has been bedridden ever since.

0:41:290:41:31

-'Oh, God.'

-So she's signed.

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'Right, that's it. You're finished today.'

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Bob's off home and Ewart's almost finished with the Victor.

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So, I'll leave you the agreement. OK?

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Any queries you can give my colleague a call in the office.

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We knew of this sort of unmarried relationship

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and that would have been a sensation in those days.

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We're talking 40, 50 years ago, more than that.

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That was a big no, no in those days.

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I certainly knew Robin existed,

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and when the phone call first came they talked about Harold

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and the name Robin just came into my head immediately.

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I always wondered about Robin, what he did and so on and so on.

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As it turned out, he seems to have been about my age.

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It would have been interesting to have talked to him,

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I'm sorry we didn't.

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Victor's not sure how much he will inherit, but he has plans for it.

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We will probably help our two kids out with their house-buying.

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In the end, they found over 20 heirs

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to Robin's estimated £200,000 estate

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on the maternal and paternal sides of the family.

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Neil's fears of finding half-siblings failed to materialise.

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We can now conclude that the heirs which we have found

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and which we do represent are the correct beneficiaries

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and it is them who is going to share in the estate.

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