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The heir hunters have taken on a case in Stevenage | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
that could be worth as much as £250,000. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
'Is it Slee or Smee?' | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
'Smee, with an M.' | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
-Yep, as in... -'"Me!"' -"Me! Me!" | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Yes. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
They're looking for long-lost relatives who have no idea | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
they could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Could they be ringing your bell? | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
Today on Heir Hunters, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
the tragic tale of a man who retreated from the world. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
One time, that back garden was full of really high brambles. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
It was horrendous, it was like from a fairy story-type thing. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
He left a fortune of £250,000. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
But can the team find an heir? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
It's actual knowledge of the family that we don't have at the moment. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
And, the missing children | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
that lead one heir hunter from the chilly streets of Dundee... | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
..to the sultry heat of Calcutta. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
My life in India was a bit like living a life in colour, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
and coming back to Britain, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:18 | |
it was like living a life in black and white. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
where heirs still need to be found. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Could you be in line for a cash payout? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
it's estimated over 300,000 die without leaving a will. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
then any money they've left behind will go to the Government. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
And last year, that was a staggering £14 million. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
But there are over 30 specialist firms competing | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
to stop this happening. They're the heir hunters, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
and they make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
People are entitled to this money. We make sure they get it. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
It's Thursday in London, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
and overnight, the Treasury has put out the list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
The offices of heir hunters Fraser and Fraser | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
have been open since 7am. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
Partner Neil Fraser is going through the Treasury list, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
and one name, George David Smee, is already looking promising. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
We know there's a property. That property's in Stevenage, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
which is a commuter town for London. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
We're looking at a reasonable value. 250,000 as a wild guess, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
but I haven't even had a chance to look at the property, really. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
It's a large sum of money, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
and there is likely to be a lot of competition on this case. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
The diseased, George Smee, owned this terrace house in Stevenage. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
He had lived here for nearly 30 years, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
and in the last two decades developed agoraphobia, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
and had support from the local council. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
He was 57 when he passed away, dying alone at home from a heart attack. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
His former neighbour, Sue Usher, recalls when he first moved in. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
He wasn't a noisy, outgoing man. Fairly shy, if I recall. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
I don't remember specifically what he did for work, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
but I think he was either something to do with computers, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
I'm sure he was something to do with computers, a bit of an analyst | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
or something like that, or an accountant-y type of person. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
For the first ten years, David left for work at 8am every day. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
But then, his circumstances changed. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
He told my husband once he'd earned too much money, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
so he was going to take six months off. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
But that six months became a year. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
And soon, it became clear that David was avoiding people altogether. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
We didn't used to see him for days sometimes. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
If you did a bit of gardening, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
you could hear him out there at two and three in the morning, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
cos he didn't like the sun. You could hear his breathing. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
David spent nearly 20 years as a recluse. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Sue moved away from the area a year ago, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
and she was sorry to hear that he had passed away alone. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
I think it's a tragedy that when people get mental-health issues, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
it's not something that can always be rectified. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
And certainly, his lifestyle was not conducive | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
to him overcoming that, cos he didn't have family | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
to sort of snap him out of it, if you like. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
In all the time Sue lived next door to David, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
he had only one visitor, and she believes he has no family. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
The heir hunters think his terraced property could be worth | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
as much as £250,000. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
In the London offices, a high-value case like this takes top priority. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
We need an inquiry being done in Stevenage, mate. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
If we can do it on the phone, then it's OK. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
But I haven't got any neighbours or anything at the moment. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
Heir hunters work on commission, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
earning a percentage of the money received by each heir they sign. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
And a large estate could attract a lot of interest. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
The team need to find the heirs to David's estate fast, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
or they might lose out to competing heir hunters. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Thank you very much. Bye-bye. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Case manager Frances Brett will lead the search. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Hello. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
She's hoping her 23 years' experience in heir hunting | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
will give them the edge. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
Smee, S-M-E-E. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
And they've got something on their side. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
Smee is an unusual name. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Take care, bye-bye. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
All's going well, but there's some confusion. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
For some reason, the advert says he's meant to be called George David. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
So far, I've found everything is David George, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
including the address, including the birth, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
and...I haven't got a marriage at the moment, so... | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
I'm not sure why it's done differently. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
A misprinted name can result in many hours of wasted research, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
so it's lucky that Neil's spotted the mistake early in the process. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
Working with David Smee's name the right way round, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
the team set to work, building a family tree. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
Take one, Jo. Mike'll take one, I'll take the other. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
-You get the good one? -Er, no. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
Heir hunters use family trees like treasure maps, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
guiding them step by step through each generation | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
until they strike gold and find someone entitled to inherit. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
Right, mum and dad. Arthur G. Lily. L-I-L-Y. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
-Frances already has possible parents for David Smee. -Isha. -Yeah? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
-What are you doing? -And researcher Isha Mae have discovered a brother. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
I'm looking for a Charles J Smee. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
I've done an infant death and there's no trace. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
I'm trying to see if he's alive. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
So, very quickly, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
the team think they've found people who are David Smee's family. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
His father was Arthur. His mother was Lily Sherry. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
And he had a brother, Charles, who died in 2002 with no children. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
As all of these people have passed away, the team now know | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
that they need to look for cousins if they're going to find an heir. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Frances is trying to find records for the person they believe | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
is David's mother, Lily Sherry. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
You have looked for a birth for a Lily Sherry? L-I-L-Y. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
And Sherry as in what you drink. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
But she's struggling to find a birth record. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
Without Lily's birth record, they won't be able to trace heirs, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
and it seems every avenue they take throws up a blank. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
Frances thinks they need to get | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
a travelling heir hunter up to Stevenage | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
to knock on doors to check if neighbours know | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
about David's mother, Lily. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
That's why I think he needs to do an inquiry | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
that he hasn't had his mum in some home somewhere. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Isha's trying to pick him up as we speak. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
In Tunbridge Wells, travelling heir hunter Bob Barrett | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
is collecting a certificate on another case. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
A retired detective, Bob is one of a group of highly experienced | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
probate researchers who spend Thursdays hunting for clues. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
-They talk to neighbours... -Did he live on his own? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
..chase certificates and visit the heirs. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Often, it's their dogged determination | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
that gives them the edge when it comes to reaching | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
the heirs before the competition. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
Is it Slee or Smee? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
-'Smee.' -S-M? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Yep, as in... | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
-'"Me!"' -"Me! Me!" | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
Bob will stand by to wait for developments. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Meanwhile, in the office, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Neil's made progress on David's father Arthur's side of the tree. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
What we're working on is a possible birth of the father, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
Arthur George Smee. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
And if that's right, he's got a sister and two brothers. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
And once I've written them on the tree, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Noel's writing them over my shoulder, and he's... | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
-hopefully getting ready to write them up. -Yeah. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
From the research, they found that David's father Arthur | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
had a brother called Alfred. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
Alfred had a son, William. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
If they have the right family, he would be David's cousin | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
and an heir to his estate. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
And perhaps he can solve the mystery of where Lily, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
David's mother, was born. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Frances has a number for him, and she's about to make the call. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Hello, I'm terribly sorry to trouble you. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
I'm phoning from a firm of probate researchers in London. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
I was hoping to get in contact with a William Smee. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
With a large estate of £250,000 in the balance, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
the pressure is on Frances. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
Is this man David's cousin and heir? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
A potential cousin of yours has passed away. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
Now, I don't know whether you know very much about the Smee family | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
that can help us in this regard to make sure | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
we are talking the right family? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
Coming up, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
the chase is on to find an heir ahead of the competition, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
but is Frances heading for a brick wall? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
He really didn't know anything. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
In the hunt to find heirs, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
probate researchers sometimes uncover secrets | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and long-lost stories that amaze | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
and surprise younger generations. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
One of the things that people love about my company is that | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
it opens up a window into their past. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
They're often able to find a lot about their ancestors. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
Dundee, on the mouth of the River Tay in Scotland, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
was home to Mae Valentine. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
She passed away in 2009 at the age of 82, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
leaving an estate of £13,000. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Mae had learning difficulties, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
and had spent most of her life in care homes. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
For the last year of her life, Mae was happily settled | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
in Bearehill Care Home, Brechin, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
where she was known as a bit of a character. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
She was a very affectionate lady. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
She loved to sing, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
and she always had a smile for you. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
Sometime she was not in a good mood, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
but if you went along and give her some attention, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
then she would be better with you. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
Another staff member remembers Mae adored music, | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
and was happy to share her love of it with everyone. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Mae liked concerts. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
She liked singing Daisy, Daisy. That was her most favourite song. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
She used to sing at the top of her voice, Daisy, Daisy. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
It was so nice. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
She was so happy. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
When Mae took ill before she passed away, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Lynn regularly took the bus to see her in hospital, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
a one-and-a-half-hour journey. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
When I used to get to hospital to visit Mae, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
she always had a big smile. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
She did recognise me, she had a big smile on her face. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
It was nice to spend time with her. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
After Mae's death, staff at the care home | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
passed Mae's personal belongings | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
and money over to the authorities, believing that | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
she had no family. Her name went onto a Scottish list | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
of unclaimed estates, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
which is called the QLTR, or Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
This office manages unclaimed funds north of the border. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
Hector Birchwood of heir hunting firm Celtic Research | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
decided to take up the case. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
The deceased was Mae Geoffrey Valentine. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
She died a spinster in 2009. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
In the hunt for heirs, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Hector knew the first stage was to map out Mae's immediate family. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
We had to find out when she was born and where she was born. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
As it happened, she was born in Scotland. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
The next stage was to see who her parents were | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
and if she had any siblings. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
We located a couple of siblings. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Mae's parents were Charles and Mary. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
She had a sister, Jeannie, who had died in infancy | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
and a brother, Charles, who passed away with no children. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Mae and her brother Charles were in their early 20s | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
when their mother Mary died. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
As they both had special needs and it was the 1950s, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
they were put into care, a common practice at that time. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
Heir hunter Hector knew that if he was going to find an heir | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
to Mae's £13,000 estate, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
he would need to go further back in the family. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Mae Valentine's grandparents | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
were John and Elizabeth Valentine, nee Watson. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
They appear to have had five children. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
At first, Hector was pleased, because so many descendants | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
improves the odds of finding cousins who might be heirs to Mae's estate. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
But as he started to look at her uncles and aunts, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
his optimism faded. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
As we were doing research on this particular case, we were finding | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
that some of the lines were dying | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
relatively young and not marrying, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
not having children, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
so, basically, our options were getting funnelled down. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
Of Mae's four uncles and aunts, three of them | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
had passed away with no heirs. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Hector was down to the last aunt - | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Jane, also known as Jeannie Valentine - | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
who had just one child, a daughter, Betty, in 1920, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
who passed away in 2008. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
But did Mae Valentine's cousin Betty have children | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
who could inherit her £13,000 estate? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Betty had a colourful history. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
She was 19 when World War II broke out, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
and had spent the entire war as a WAAF | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
in the Women's Auxiliary Air Force. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
The WAAFs played a key role supporting the forces, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
doing everything from deciphering codes to intelligence. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
After being stationed all around Britain, Mae's cousin Betty | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
returned to Dundee, where she met her husband Donald, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
and they were married three months later. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
When they got married, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
you might say that Betty was in her prime to be able to have children. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
Hector was hoping their marriage Mae have produced an heir. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
But despite trawling through every birth record | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
in the British Isles, there were no signs of children at all. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
The fact they didn't have any children posed a problem. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
If no children could be found, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
all of Mae's £13,000 estate would go to the Scottish Treasury. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
But Hector wasn't about to give up, and his search | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
was to take him across continents. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Every case is in itself an enigma, and I have to go and resolve that. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
Heir hunters work hard to solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
ensuring millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
that have baffled the heir hunters and remain unclaimed. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
These estates stay on the list for up to 30 years, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
Today, we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Kathleen Nappin died in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
on 17th September, 2002. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
The surname Nappin is Anglo Saxon. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Are you related to the Nappin family? | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
Does Kathleen's cash belong to you? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
Does the name Jean Prosho have a familiar ring? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
Jean died in April 2005 in Plaistow, London. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
Her surname, Prosho, certainly stands out from the crowd. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
Perhaps you have someone with that name in your family? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Could you be entitled to Jean's cash? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Michael Jackson died in Nottinghamshire | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
on 10th December, 1993. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
It's a high-profile name, but does it ring any bells for you? | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
Could you be an heir to his estate? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
If the names Kathleen Nappin, Jean Prosho or Michael Jackson | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
mean anything to you, then you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
Heir hunters Fraser And Fraser are searching for heirs | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
on the estate of David Smee. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
He died in Stevenage in January 2011. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Because he owned the terraced house he lived in, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
they believe his estate could be worth as much as £250,000. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
We've discovered that the deceased did own his own home. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
So, depending on how much | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
of a mortgage or so he's got on the property, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
that should make it a sizeable estate. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Neighbour Sue Usher remembers | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
when David first moved in, 30 years ago. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
We used to have a big dartboard set up in our lounge, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
and a couple of times, he came in and played darts, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
and obviously got to know the family, got to know the kids, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
and he gave my son his very first... | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Well, not computer, but I think it was an Atari. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
But when he gave up his work in computing, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
David had begun to withdraw from the neighbours. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
As the '90s came on, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
he was having no contact, really, at all. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
If I was out there, he didn't used to come out, or if we went out, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
you know, he used to come in. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
I've seen that scenario a couple of times. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Sue doesn't believe that David had any family, and as he didn't leave | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
a will, his substantial £250,000 estate could go to the Government. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:56 | |
In the London offices, the heir hunters | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
are trying to stop this happening. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
They're hunting for relatives that could be entitled to his cash. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
Case manager Frances Brett is on the phone to a William Smee. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
The team have drawn up a family tree, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
and they think William is David's cousin and an heir to his estate. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
But they need him to confirm the research. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
Now I don't know whether you know very much about the Smee family | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
that can help us in this regard? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Is this man David's cousin and an heir to his estate? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
Oh, wonderful. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:42 | |
Brilliant. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
They've got their first heir on the father's side of the family. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
Haven't I just! | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
But this is only half the story. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Have you been in touch with that part of the family? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
Not for years? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
The team haven't been able to find a birth record | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
for Lily Sherry, David's mother. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
Without her birth certificate, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
they can't extend the search to find heirs on the maternal side. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
At the moment, I'm not too sure about your Auntie Lily. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Neil's just done some research and believes Lily | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
Mae be from Northern Ireland, but needs the family to confirm this. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Has she now? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
And they're in luck. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
It looks like the heir's wife is a keen family historian. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
Would you please say thank you very much to your wife | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
for having dug the tree out? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
It's a real coup. Not only have they found their first heir, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
but they've also been able to confirm the other side | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
of the family, saving hours of research. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
It was really fortunate | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
that Mrs Smee had done some of the family history, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
and that they knew that the deceased's mum | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
was older than her husband and came from Ireland. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
Now they know where to look to find Lily's birth record, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
and they'll be able to map out her side of the family. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
But this case isn't wrapped up yet. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
They still need the cousin to sign up with the company, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
so Frances calls travelling heir hunter Bob Barrett. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
-Hello, Bob. -Hello. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
You're going to Bognor Regis. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
So, Bob will make his way to see the heir, William. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
In the meantime, using Irish census records, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
the researchers have found out more about David's mother Lily's origins. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
She was one of many young Irish women | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
who came to London in the 1940s. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Lily was born in Lisnaskea in 1914 in rural Ireland. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
It was tough times for this farming family. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
From what we can glean from the 1911 census, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
it seems the three generations of the family | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
lived in a very small farm holding. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Seven people living in a three-roomed dwelling, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
so it sounds as if they were a fairly poor family. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
It was difficult for young women like Lily to find employment | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
in the small rural communities of Ireland. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
There was an expectation within Ireland at that time, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
both the north and south, that the sons would stay and work the land. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
The daughters were free to leave the land. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
It couldn't support them. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
So, there was almost an expectation | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
that the daughters would move out and find work elsewhere. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Lily in many ways typifies Irish female migration of the period. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
She migrated as a single young woman looking for work in Britain. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
For all young migrants to Britain, there would've been a culture shock. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
But Lily's experience would have been extreme. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Of course, we must remember that she was arriving during the war years, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
so she would have been coming into the Blitz. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
From Ireland, from a small rural village like Lisnaskea, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
to arrive in the middle of the Blitz must have been a terrifying experience. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
She had no preparation for this. It was right in at the deep end. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
So, I'm sure she probably would have been quite frightened | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
by what she encountered. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
Despite the terror of London at war, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
the city was to be Lily's home for the rest of her life. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
In 1949, she went on to marry Arthur and have David and Charles. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
Meanwhile, in the race to sign | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
the heir on David's father's side of the family, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
Bob Barratt has made it to William Smee's house. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
William is the son of David's Uncle Alfred, and he's David's cousin. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
But they weren't in contact. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
-Yeah, he died in January. -Oh, right. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
So, yeah, fairly recent. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Now, I don't know how much the estate's worth, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
but we think there might be a property involved. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
But of course, what we don't know is how much. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Obviously, being cousins, they shared the same grandfather. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
But William's Uncle Arthur fell out with the family in the '40s, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
for a surprising reason. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
What happened was... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
after the war, my Uncle Arthur came home | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
and he got the DER to put the radio rentals in | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
so that his mum could listen to the radio. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
And the old man apparently threw a fit, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
although Arthur was paying for it. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
and they had a real big row, and they never spoke for 20-odd years. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
And nor did my dad, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
my dad took Arthur's side and Tommy took his side. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
-It's normally over money. -Yeah. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
This wasn't, it was just over... | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
-Technology. -Yeah. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:55 | |
And it's about who's head of the family | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
and who said you could do it, that sort of thing, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
and the old power struggle sort of starts. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
But it's a shame, isn't it? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
It makes you feel quite sad now, because you think, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
"Oh, now they've died and I didn't get to know them," | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
but at the other end of the day... | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
I didn't really have an option. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
No, quite. And I think all you can do in life | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
is look after and deal with your own life and your own close family. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
Bob leaves the paperwork with William. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
A very pleasant gentleman, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
and I'm sure he'll end up signing an agreement with us. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Over the next few weeks, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
the team make progress on David's mother's side, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
tracking down cousins living in Northern Ireland. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
In the end, David Smee's estate was worth around £100,000. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
But with the research leading to more than 15 heirs, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
partner Neil Fraser is still pleased. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
I'm fairly happy we worked on that, we got the letters out | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
on the ones we haven't been able to see, but everything else is done. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
But it's looking like quite a good case. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
It's a sad fact of life that, despite having many first cousins, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
David Smee died alone. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
His former neighbour, Sue Usher, and her family will remember him. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
I was informed by someone else that he'd passed away. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
It was a surprise, how sad it made me. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
You know, if someone's recluse in an area, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
they become known as a recluse, don't they? Dave The Recluse. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
Bit of a sad story. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
Hector Birchwood of heir-hunting firm Celtic Research | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
was scouring birth records across the British Isles, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
searching for heirs to the estate of Mae Valentine. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
Mae passed away in 2009, at the age of 82. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
She'd been a popular resident at the Bearehill Care Home | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
in Brechin, where she spent the last years of her life. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
She had been in other institutions before. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Mae had a few friends within the home, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
one of which was her best friend | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
that she came from Leaning House with. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
They used to paint together, listen to music, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
and she was always very keen on soft toys. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
No relatives ever visited Mae in the care home, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
and the staff knew that Mae's brother, Charles, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
who also had special needs, died 19 years before. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
When Mae passed away, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
they decided to try and bury her next to her brother. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
I phoned the Parks Department and asked | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
if there was any space for me, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
and he got back to me and said, yes, there was. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
I just thought it was a really nice end, then, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
that both brother and sister were back reunited. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
Mae had left £13,000 when she died. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Hector had been searching for Mae's family. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
His last hope was Betty, Mae's cousin. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
She had married in her 20s, to Donald. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
If they had children, they would be heirs. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
When we found Betty and Donald marrying, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
we thought that Betty was in her prime to be able to have children, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
and we couldn't find any children. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
Cleverly, Hector decided to turn his research on its head. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:57 | |
Betty had died in 2008. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
He took a look at Betty's death record to see who the informant was. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:04 | |
We found her death and we saw that there was an informant, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
a son called Donald. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
It was a major breakthrough, but Hector still couldn't find | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
a birth certificate to confirm his findings. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
We thought maybe he was adopted or maybe he was born abroad. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
In the 20th century, many families moved about the British Empire | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
on postings abroad. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Newlyweds Donald and Betty were from Dundee, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
and this town had many historical connections with the jute industry. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
Donald was employed as a mill manager | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
in the jute mills of Calcutta. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Jute, a rough fibre, was used to produce sacking. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
It was the world's plastic packing material. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
And for a long period of time, probably from the 1830s | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
right until the 20th century, there was an enormous worldwide demand | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
for jute. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
Part of this demand was also fuelled by the cataclysmic conflicts | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
of the last century. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Jute was the great material during wartime, primarily for sandbags. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:19 | |
And so, the periods of boom in the Dundee jute industry | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
were the First World War and the Second World War. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
For centuries, Dundee had a major centre for linen. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
Linen was made with flax, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
but this material wasn't tough enough for sacking and heavy use. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
Jute was strong enough, but difficult to weave. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Until a neat solution presented itself. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
The secret of Dundee's transition from flax to jute | 0:32:52 | 0:32:58 | |
was that Dundee was also a significant whaling centre. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
The whale oil was just perfect as a material for softening the jute. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
It made it possible to batch it and process it and spin it | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
and, ultimately, weave it. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Production was moved to the Indian subcontinent, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
where the jute was grown, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
and the mills needed experienced hands to run them. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
The Dundonians who were drawn to the Calcutta jute industry | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
tended to be mill managers, they tended to be overseers, technicians, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
and, indeed, these individuals were hugely, highly valued in Calcutta. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
Betty and her mill manager husband Donald were residents in Calcutta | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
for at least 15 years of their married life. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
And it's possible they had Donald and one other child there. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
But how to know for sure? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
Hector had a hunch where to look. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
We looked for any migrations or immigrations | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
to and from the colonies, and we found a shipping-list record. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Shipping records are a vital source of information | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
about people's movements, and heir hunters often use them | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
to track missing heirs. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Sure enough, Hector struck gold. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
We found a family travelling on this ship, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
and we found that they had a daughter called Joanna, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
and the ship list stated that she was born in India. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
Hector was now able to map out Betty's branch of the family tree. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
She had two children, Donald and Joanna, both born in India. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
Joanna and Donald are first cousins once removed to the deceased, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
and they are the only heirs that we've been able to locate | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
on this estate thus far. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:52 | |
Between them, they'll inherit Mae's £13,000 fortune. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
In her home in Manchester, Joanna, known as Joey, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
received the letter from Hector, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
and at first she didn't know what to think. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
My first impression was that it was just a scam | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
and I was just waiting for the bit at the bottom which said, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
"Send your bank-account details and we will make sure | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
"the money is transferred into your account." | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
And I think, "Yeah, yeah - that'll be right." | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
And then I spoke to my brother about it and he said, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
"No, no - this is a genuine company." | 0:35:28 | 0:35:29 | |
Joey had never heard of her mother's cousin Mae. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
The name wasn't familiar at all, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
because I'd heard nothing about her at all. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
So it was a complete mystery, and a complete surprise, really. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
Perhaps one of the reasons | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
was because Joey grew up in India, where her father worked. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
One of the things I absolutely loved was, on a Sunday, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
he used to take me over to the mill when the mill was all shut down, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
and let me have a play with the dangerous machinery. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
I absolutely loved that. The smell of jute was fantastic. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
I still love the smell of jute. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
And the mills were these massive, old Victorian buildings | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
with huge flywheels and cranky things and oil, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
and they were just so exciting to go to. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
I used to love going to the mill. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
The family were housed in a luxurious compound | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
and lived a glamorous expat lifestyle. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
It was a vivid and exciting time in Joey's life. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
There was a swimming pool on the compound, and we used to come back | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
from school every day and go and have a swim for a bit. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
But her idyllic life in India wasn't to last. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
When she was eight or nine, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:44 | |
her mum, Betty, decided the children needed a British education. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
We came back to Britain, and it was the early '60s, and it was freezing. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
You know, central heating wasn't common, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
and from going around in T-shirts and shorts and flip-flops all day, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
you were suddenly in itchy, jaggy jumpers, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
and big, thick leather shoes, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
and everything was itchy and cold and horrid. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
For Joey, it was the end of an era, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
and the start of a very different life. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
I certainly feel as if my life in India was | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
a bit like living a life in colour, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:20 | |
and then coming back to Britain | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
was like living a life in black and white. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
Joey has mixed feelings to hear that she's inherited money | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
from a relative who lived out her life in care. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
It's not been wholly happy, and I sort of want to do something | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
nice with it, with my family, to raise a glass to Mae. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
To raise a glass to her memory, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
to talk about people who perhaps don't have families. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
Just, you know, the pleasure of family, that I don't think she had. | 0:37:54 | 0:38:00 | |
In Dundee, Joey's brother, Donald, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
was also unsettled to find out that he had a family member | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
that lived so close but that he knew nothing about. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
How did it happen that somebody relatively close just disappeared | 0:38:13 | 0:38:19 | |
off the family trail? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Donald would now like to find out a little more about Mae, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
and he's going to pay a visit to the care home | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
where she spent her last days. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
The people that we're going to meet are the professional carers... | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
..and if you didn't have people like that, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
it would be a very sorry world indeed, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
because they job they do is absolutely fantastic. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
It would be nice to meet them, just to get the chance to say hello | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
and to say thank you. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Donald's travelled an hour north of Dundee | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
to meet with carers Eleanor and Lynne. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
It's an emotional moment. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
Since we found out about Mae, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
a whole number of thoughts have come into my mind, certainly. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
The need to find out more about a close relation, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
and there's somehow a feeling that we've missed something, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
because we didn't know about her. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Hello, ladies. You're Eleanor? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
-I'm Eleanor. -Hello, Eleanor. And...? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-I'm Lynne. -Hello, Lynne. Nice to meet you. I am Donald Hutchinson. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
-Have a seat. -Thank you. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Mae was a popular resident in the care home. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
She was a very big part of Bearehill. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
She was quite a character. So, everybody knew her. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
Everybody that came into Bearehill on a regular basis | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
would speak to her and say, "Hello, Mae," and, "How are you today?" | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
And she just loved it. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
She just loved attention, and she was just such a nice lady. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Mae was obviously well loved, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
and Donald is amazed at just how far the staff went for Mae. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Mae went into Ninewells, and I went in to visit her twice a week, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
travelled 30 miles to go and visit her, because I was very fond of Mae. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:26 | |
Although Mae passed away in 2009, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
her personality left its mark at the care home. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
She would on occasion sit in the chairs in the entrance hall, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
which is quite grand, because it is an old building, at the front, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
and for a good while after she died, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
you'd go to through to that part and you'd look in the chair | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-and Mae wasn't there. So she did leave a big hole, if you like. -Yes. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:56 | |
It's a comfort for Donald that Eleanor took charge of Mae's burial. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
As soon as I saw it, I knew that that was the stone | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
that we wanted for her. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
We wanted something that celebrated Charlie's life as well as Mae, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:17 | |
because there was no stone on the grave before, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
so it brought the two of them together. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
I think it was lovely, and thank you for doing that. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
It was the least I could do. She was a lovely lady. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
We were under the impression that Mae never had any family, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
and I know Lynne would back me up here | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
that she would have loved to have family of her very own. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
-And oddly, not too far away. -That's right. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
Only 30 miles away, and neither of us knew the other existed. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
-Which is very sad. -It is sad. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
Mae might have lived her life without family contact, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
but she wasn't alone, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
and her cousin Donald is profoundly grateful. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Despite any disability she might have had, she really had a good life, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:15 | |
and particularly, I would have thought, at the end of her life. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
The conditions that you had created to look after her | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
were absolutely ideal, and she's no longer with us, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
but she was happy when she was, and was very well looked after, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
from what I can understand. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
I and the family are delighted, and I'm personally delighted | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
to have met you both, to get the chance to say thank you to you both. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
'It's been great. It's been lovely to meet the carers.' | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
These are dedicated and wonderful professionals, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
and we can't thank them enough for what they did for Mae | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
during her time with them. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
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