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Today, the heir hunters are dealing with an estate | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
which could be worth an estimated £120,000. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
I've just made a house enquiry where the deceased lived. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
Somewhere out there are some long-lost relatives who have no idea | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
On today's show, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
a seasoned heir hunter is amazed by one man's thrifty lifestyle. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Our deceased must be the most frugal man I've ever heard of, really. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
And one woman's story reveals the dangers of our industrial past. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
Miners had many enemies underground - | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
gas, water, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
roof cave-ins. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
And so they did fear for their lives. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit an unclaimed estate | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
held by the Treasury. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
If no relatives are found, any money left behind goes to the government. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
Last year, they kept £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
That's where the heir hunters come in. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
and help them to claim their just inheritance. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
I stop the government from getting money that doesn't belong to them | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
and I give it to the people whom it belongs to. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
It's 7am at heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
and they're already hard at work. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
Case manager Tony Pledger is looking into the case of Ronald Boyne. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
It was referred to them a few days ago from a solicitor. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
We've been looking at this case for a bit, um, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and it's now been advertised by the Treasury. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
Um, but, as I say, we've already done a lot of research on it. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
Tony's had a head start on the case, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
but he's yet to sign up all the heirs. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
Now it's been advertised on the Treasury's weekly list of people | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
who've died without a will, over 30 rival firms could beat him to it. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
Ronald Boyne was 84 when he died on 20 December, 2010, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
The only initial information we had | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
was that obtained from the death certificate, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
which showed he was born in 1927 in Birmingham. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Of course, he died in Birmingham | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
and so obviously he was a local chap. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
We were able to find his marriage in Birmingham to somebody called | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Audrey Kay, and we were unable to trace children from that. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
We then we found her death, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
so we're pretty sure he's died a widower without any issue. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
As Ronald and his wife did not have children, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
the team now need to extend their research to his wider family. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
The heir hunters earn their fee by taking a percentage | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
of the estate's final value. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
As it isn't published on the Treasury's list, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
the best way to get an idea of what it's worth | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
is to check out the deceased's property. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Senior on-the-road investigator Paul Matthews is hoping to speak to Ronald's neighbours. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
We're pretty sure he owned the property | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
and, if that's the case, it would be nice for Paul to see the property, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
make an assessment for it and, hopefully, we can form | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
some reasonable idea as to the potential value of the estate. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Most of the research on cases is done by the office team, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
but front-line investigators like Paul | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
are the eyes and ears on the ground, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
feeding back vital information. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
We're now going to make an enquiry at the home address, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
because at this point in time, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
we still don't know the value of the estate. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
We'll try to make some enquiries to try to put a value on it. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Paul has arrived in Birmingham and found Ronald's house. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
He's hoping to speak to some of his neighbours. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
No replies, I'm afraid. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
HE KNOCKS AT DOOR | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
Finally, Paul has some luck. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
-Hello. -Morning, sorry to bother you. I'm not selling anything. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
Bill, Ronald's work colleague, and his wife Val, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
were the only people in the street Ronald and his wife ever spoke to. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
They never bothered with anybody in the avenue. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
They literally kept themselves to themselves. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Val looked after Ronald in his home opposite | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
for nearly 14 years | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
after his wife died and illness left him with limited sight. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
She remembers taking him to his building society | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
to sort out his finances. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
We'd seen the man and he said... What he says to Ron, he says, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:07 | |
"I have never had a person with so many ISAs | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
"as yourself." | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
-So, he had a lot of money. Why didn't he spend it on himself? -Yeah. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
No. He wouldn't. No, no. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
How much cash had he got, then? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Oh... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
I couldn't tell you that. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
It's... I mean, he's definitely got a bond of £36,000. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
-Was it his own house? -Oh, yeah, yeah. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
It's his own house, all paid, everything. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
What do these properties fetch down here? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
If I say as a "for instance", just down here, that's up for 120. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
It's great news for Ronald's potential heirs, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
if they can find them. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:48 | |
Not only did he own a property, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
but he had substantial savings and spent very little money on himself. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
I must be honest and truthful with you. He was very tight. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Very tight, very careful. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
He used to have a money bag and say you gave him some change... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Say you'd gone shopping for him and it was £9.99, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
that meant he got a penny. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
He used to have a bag, which he put pennies in. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
So if it was £11.99, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
he would give me a bag which had a pound of pennies in. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:22 | |
But he'd take one out because it was only 99p. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
It's like an obsession. Save it, not spend it, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
-but, at the end of the day, when Mr Grim Reaper comes along... -Yeah. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Thank you very much for your help. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
At least we know a little bit about your man. So, yeah... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
COUPLE: It's a shame, really. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Because... Have many of the neighbours said anything? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-There's nobody in. -Oh, right. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-OK. OK. Thank you very much for your time and your help. -Thank you. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
-All the very best. -Bye. Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
Well, that's probably the, er... | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
Something completely different. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
I've been doing this for ten years now | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
and I think... | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
our deceased must be the most frugal man that I've ever heard of, really. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
He just wouldn't spend his money. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
His eating habits - always ate on the cheap - | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
and he wouldn't spend his money, but he loved investing. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
But, you can't take it with you. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
Paul reports back to the office team. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
Hi, Fran. I've just made a house enquiry where the deceased lived, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
which was interesting. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
-OK. -'For our purposes,' | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
this guy spent his life investing | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
and wouldn't spend any money. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:38 | |
And so, basically, there's property worth over 120 grand | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
and probably many, many thousands | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
'in the bank.' | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
-Ooh. -'It's, er, he's certainly got' | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
a bond with about 36 grand in it | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
and he was, um, she knew he had a whole rake of ISAs | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
because he was advised you shouldn't have everything | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
'in ISAs, you should invest it elsewhere, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
'but he wouldn't do it and he would never spend any money.' | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
He was really, really frugal. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
'He was advised to make a will because he had so much money.' | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
He could even have made a free will, but he never, ever bothered. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
So this could potentially be | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
even worth even more | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
than at...at first thought? | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
Yeah, I think this is going to be quite a sizeable estate. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
The guy would just never, ever spend money. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
-All right. Thanks a lot. -'Catch you later, Fran.' | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
-Cheers. -'Bye, Paul.' -Bye. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Now they know this could be a lucrative case, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
the pressure is on in the office to find his heirs, fast. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Ronald got a job at Rover in the 1950s, when business was booming. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
During the post-war years, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
the British government encouraged car manufacturers to export | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
as many cars as possible | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
to earn valuable foreign currency to repay the war debts. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
Over 75% of Land Rovers produced were exported and, by 1966, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:14 | |
had earned over £300 million of foreign currency for the nation. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
The factory was working flat out and Ronald made his money | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
through hard graft on the shop floor. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
His neighbour Bill worked with him. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
When he got married, he used to work for a tool company | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
and he couldn't have the same holidays as his wife | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
because she worked at Land Rover. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
And he left the tool company to go to Land Rover, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
so they could have the same holidays together. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Sometimes I'd see him, when he was going to work, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
I used to go on my bike and he used to go on the bus. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
I was in the paint shop, he was on the assembly line. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
They'd have all the bits and pieces | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
and, like, you would just... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
They'd be by the side of the track | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
and people would be fitting them on as it runs down. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
You see, that never stopped. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
The only time it stopped was for a break or lunch. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
They were coming off every three minutes. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
Although it was considered one of the toughest jobs in the factory, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
Ronald spent virtually his whole career on the production line. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
I don't think he enjoyed it, but it was a job. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
You had to work hard and you got your money. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
It was OK. It was great. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
It gave us a living, you know, and it was always very busy. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
Back on the hunt for Ronald's heirs, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Frances updates Tony with the good news about his finances. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
Not only did he own the property, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
he had quite a number of investments. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
He had money here, there and everywhere. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Lots of different ISAs, a bond with 36,000. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
So he must have spoken to somebody who told him this? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Yeah. The woman over the road, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
who was the only person who still had anything to do with him. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I'd have thought he would have left a will leaving it to her, as well. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
No, they were trying to get him to make a will | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
because of the amount of money he had | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
and he just never got round to it and never did. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Coming up, if Ronald has any surviving relatives, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
they could have serious money coming their way. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
There could be more in it than first thought. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
Now they need to find the heirs, fast, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
or the competition might beat them to it. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
In 2010, heir-hunting company Celtic Research | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
came across the unsolved case of Eleanor Pridmore. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
They would uncover a tale of heavy industry, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
hard lives and family heartache. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Eleanor died in Sheffield on 5 July, 1989, without a will, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
leaving an estate worth almost £23,000. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
No living heirs were ever found. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
With no-one to arrange her funeral, it was dealt with | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
by local government officer Michael Turner. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
To try and determine what arrangements to make, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
we searched Eleanor's home address. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
We went through everything in detail, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
removed as much documentation | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
as we were able to find. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
And we found a grave paper | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
giving the details of the grave | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
in which her late husband had been interred. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
We were unable to comply with what I'm sure would have been her wishes. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:54 | |
She was buried with her husband in the family grave | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
and I think that's the important thing. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
We were very pleased in that we are not always able | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
to ascertain what precise arrangements | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
the deceased would have wanted for themselves. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
So a case like this is a happy conclusion for us. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
Michael had managed to bury Eleanor beside her husband, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
but, sadly, no family came to the funeral. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
21 years later, heir hunter Hector Birchwood took up the case | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
after he spotted it on the Treasury list of unclaimed estates. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
The Treasury Solicitor established a new policy | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
where they would be advertising very old cases. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
So this was one of the cases. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
He discovered that she married her husband Wilfred, a van driver, in 1940, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:53 | |
and they were one of the first couples to move into this Sheffield street. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Eleanor is believed to have worked | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
in one of the city's best-known industries - cutlery. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Sheffield was famous for cutlery before it came famous for steel, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
producing cutlery from the 16th century onwards. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
When technology was developed that made steel more readily available, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:19 | |
easier to produce, obviously more and more cutlery was produced | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
and the factory system really started. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Prior to the late 18th century, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
production had been really domestic, but then factories took off. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Eleanor is thought to have worked | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
at one of the city's largest factories as a knife grinder. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
It was unusual for women to be employed as grinders. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Most women would have been employed as buffers. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
They were the people who polished cutlery and holloware. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
Although working conditions had improved considerably since the 19th century, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
it was still a tough and dirty job. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Eleanor Pridmore, as a knife grinder, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
would have ground the blades. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
She would've had a grinding wheel | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
and the blank blade would have been given to her. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
She would have ground it down to its finish sized and put an edge on it. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
Very hard work, very dirty work. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
She would have been paid on piece work. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
She would not have got a wage. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
She would have been paid a small amount | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
for every blade that she ground. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
And to make ends meet, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
she would have had to have ground several gross in a week. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
Eleanor's husband Wilfred died 18 years before her | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
and Hector discovered that they never had children. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
So he had to start piecing together her family tree. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
He began by looking for a birth record that Eleanor, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
using her maiden name, Bullas, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
which he'd found on her marriage certificate. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
It revealed that she was born in the village of Shuttlewood, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
near Bolsover in Derbyshire, in 1908. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Once we located the birth of the deceased, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
we were able to find out the names of her parents. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
Her parents were Hannah Taylor and Henry Bullas. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
He discovered that Shuttlewood was a former colliery village | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
and that Eleanor's father Henry had worked as a coal miner. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
Coal was the mainstay of the area. It was the main employer. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
The only other employ was farming | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
and there would just be a few hundred men employed | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
in the whole county - in the whole area - for farming, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
whereas there would be thousands of men employed in coal mining. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
In this area of Derbyshire, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
whole communities relied on the mines for their livelihood. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
The Oxcroft Colliery Company employed over 700 men at the time. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:38 | |
Um, Bolsover Colliery, perhaps 700 or 800 men, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
and Markham Colliery, probably 1,000 to 2,000 men. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
Most companies involved in mining found from an early time | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
that if they provided houses and amenities for the workforce, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
they seemed to keep the men a lot longer. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
As well as houses, mining companies built schools | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
and even pubs for their workers. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
It was common for generations of men | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
to work side by side at the coal face. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Hector found that Eleanor's brother Joseph | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
had followed in his father's footsteps and gone down the pit. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Most young men came into the mine | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
because their relations worked in the mine. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
They started the lowest of the low. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
They would start perhaps sweeping up | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
or then they would go on to transport. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
They'd go from transport on to another job. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
If they were quite fit, they might give them jobs shovelling. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
Er, or setting props | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
in areas not on the face, but away from the face, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
to prove themselves, and then they would move on. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Because a miner was expected to know every job in the mine | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
because, one day, his life might depend on it. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
It was a well-paid job, but it was also a dangerous one. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Miners suffered greatly from injury, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
from small injuries up to loss of limbs. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
And it was quite easy to lose fingers | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
where tubs were being moved about. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
If you were hit by a tub, you could suffer quite easily | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
groin damage, broken legs, broken arms. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Eleanor's brother Joseph suffered with diabetes, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
a condition not helped by working down the mines. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
Sadly, in 1927, he was injured in an industrial accident | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
and died the following year aged just 26. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Coming up, another tragedy was to devastate | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
not just Eleanor's family, but the whole coalmining community. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
Everybody knew these people. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
They'd probably seen them go to work that morning. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
Um, and not seen them return. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
In the UK, the Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
that, over the years, have baffled the heir hunters | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
and still remain unclaimed. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
This is money that could have your name on it. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
These estates can stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
to many millions of pounds. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Today, we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
Could they be relatives of yours? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
Zable Arabian died in Barnes in London in August 1996. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
It's a very unusual name combination. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
Does it ring a bell with you? Are you related? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Betty Stebbeds died in Norwich in February 2009. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
Stebbeds is a very rare surname in the UK | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
with less than 100 recorded nationwide. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Could she be a distant family member of yours? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Walter Robshaw died in Keighley, West Yorkshire, in February 1995. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
This mediaeval surname derives from one of the area's lost hamlets. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
Do you remember him? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
If no heirs are found, his money will go to the government. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
All these estates are worth at least £5,000, but could be a lot more. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
Only successful heirs will be told. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
If the names Zable Arabian, Betty Stebbeds or Walter Robshaw | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
Hector Birchwood, at heir-hunting company Celtic Research, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
was working on the case of Eleanor Pridmore. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
She died 20 years ago in Sheffield without a will, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
leaving an unclaimed estate worth £23,000. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Eleanor was born into a coal-mining community in Derbyshire. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
Her father was a miner, and her only sibling Joseph | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
had been injured down the pit, and died without children at just 26. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
Hector's next step was to look for aunts and uncles. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
His research revealed | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
that nine years before Joseph's premature death, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
the family had been hit by another tragedy. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Eleanor's uncle, James Taylor, also a miner, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
had been involved in an horrific underground gas explosion. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
It was a Sunday, which, normally, it wouldn't have been worked, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
but it was holiday time and the men, I believe, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
were going to get some overtime in so they could have a good Easter. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
At just 30 years old, he was killed in the blast at the Oxcroft Colliery, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
along with five other miners. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
To lose a loved one in the mine must have been horrendous... | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
because they were so tightly knit. Everybody knew these people. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
They'd probably seen them go to work that morning. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
Um, and not seen them return. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
And the village would have been sombre for many months afterwards, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
because everybody knew everybody. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
It would be a financial hardship, as well, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
because there were rents to pay, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
there was food to buy and clothing for the children. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
There was no welfare state. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It would have been very difficult times | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
for the families of the ones that died. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
And any compensation from the company would be very small. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
They may even have lost the house. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
Eleanor's family was just one of those devastated by the disaster. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
She was only 11 years old when her maternal uncle James was killed. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
21 years after Eleanor's death, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Hector decided his best chance of finding living heirs | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
lay not with her mother's family, but with her father's. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
Unlike her mother's name, Taylor, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
the paternal name, Bullas, was more unusual. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
But he soon realised it had its own problems. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
Bullas itself is not altogether a common name, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
but it's an area name. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
There are a lot of people with the name Bullas in that area. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
That can be just as bad as having a name like Taylor, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
or Smith, or Jones. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
But then Hector found a way of narrowing down the search. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Eleanor's mother's family, the Taylors, were miners. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
So when she married a miner, Henry Bullas, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
they all ended up living in the same community. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
The families, as far as I could tell, worked in the same industry. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
Um, from the census material that I found, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
they were also living either very close to each other, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
or, sometimes, even sharing the same dwellings. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
So I can only assume the families lived and worked and ate together. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
I wouldn't say it made it easier, but it at least gave us an avenue | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
by which we could do some research and locate the correct families. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
So with the two families living side by side in the census, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Hector knew that he had identified the right relatives. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
The next step towards finding her heirs | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
was to piece together Eleanor's paternal family tree. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
He found that her grandfather was Frederick Bullas, a wood sawyer. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
I would imagine that Frederick Bullas's work was probably also | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
linked to the coal-mining industry. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
As a wood sawyer, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
he would probably be working to make the beams | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
that would be supporting the tunnel. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Hector discovered that along with Eleanor's father Henry, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
Frederick and his wife Ellen had two daughters, Annie and Florence. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
Annie had died in her teens, but if Florence had children, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
and they were still alive, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
they would be beneficiaries to Eleanor's estate. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Hector found that Florence had married Arthur Wilkinson in 1910 | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
and there was more good news. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
Records showed they had a daughter, Jessie, the cousin of the deceased. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
Once we'd located one of the children for Florence Bullas, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:26 | |
er, we knew that we were almost at the home stretch. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
But he wasn't there, yet. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
Jessie had died in 1998, a year before Eleanor. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
If she'd had children, they would be Eleanor's cousins once removed | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
and the next beneficiaries in line. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
To find out, Hector had to check the record of her marriage, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
and it wasn't straightforward. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
We had to sift through all the marriages until we found the right one. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
Jessie had a son, Clinton, who was no longer alive, and two daughters. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:57 | |
One was living abroad, but Therese, known as Terri, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
was in Sutton Coldfield in the Midlands. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
At last, Hector had found a living heir and he gave her a call. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
It was totally out of the blue. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Er, and I must admit, I thought, "Somebody's winding me up". | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
He just said it's a relation from my mother's side | 0:27:17 | 0:27:23 | |
and did I know anything about my mother's side of the family. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
And I said, "Not a lot." | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
I can remember when I was very young going up to Sheffield and meeting people. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
I can't remember anything else and then, it sort of, like, finished. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
My mother never really spoke about her side of the family a lot. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
But Terry's intrigued to learn of Eleanor's job as a knife grinder. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
I'm very surprised that Eleanor was working in cutlery in Sheffield. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
It seems amazing to me, the link with my father. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
Terry's dad came from Birmingham, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
but also worked in the steel industry. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
My father was a consultant metallurgist | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
and he did a lot of work in Sheffield. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
And inheriting a share of Eleanor's estate | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
has left Terry keen to find out more about her mother's relatives. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
It's another side to my life I didn't know about. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
That's really made me think, "I'd like to meet these people." | 0:28:23 | 0:28:29 | |
Do they know...do they know about me and my family? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
That's... I'd love to find out about that. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
Really, really would. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
In the end, Hector found nine heirs to Eleanor's £23,000 estate | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
from her paternal and maternal family. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Once the case was solved, I felt a sense of relief that, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
after all that hard work, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
we'd been able to manage to find the right families. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
And instead of going to the government, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
the money Eleanor left behind | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
is already bringing happiness to her relatives. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
I've always loved horses and I've always ridden, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
and my daughter's riding now. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
So it's got me back into it | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
and that's why I've treated myself to a horse. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
are investigating the case of Ronald Boyne. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
He died in Birmingham in December 2010, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
leaving an estate worth at least £120,000. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
Senior researcher Paul Matthews discovered | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
that Ronald owned his own home and was a keen saver. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
How much cash had he got, then? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
Oh... I couldn't tell you. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
I mean, at the time... | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
He's definitely got a bond of £36,000. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
What do these properties fetch down here? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
Well, if I say as a for instance, just down here, that's up for 120. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
Ronald spent most of his working life on the factory assembly line | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
at Rover, one of Birmingham's major employers. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
But, as a young man, he served his country in the army for nine years. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
Ronald told neighbour Bill how he couldn't wait to join up. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
He didn't get on very well with his mother and father | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
and he went to live with his nan. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
He said, "What I've done then..." He said, "I went to join the army." | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
And he said, "Not being old enough," | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
he said, "I got my nan to sign the papers." | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
I should think he must have been 17. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Because I think you've got to be 18 to get in. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
So that would bring him up to 1944. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
After he left the army, Ronald got married in 1952 | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
and his wedding was in keeping with his frugal lifestyle. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
They got married in a register office in town, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
just him and his wife, nobody went with them. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
They got people who worked in the register office | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
to be witnesses. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
They came out and they went and had a cup of tea and a sandwich | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
at a caff. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
The way he told his parents was on a Christmas card and he said... | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
What he said about that was, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
he went and pushed the card through the door | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
when there were no lights on and they'd gone to bed. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:31:36 | 0:31:37 | |
As Ronald settled down to married life, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
he thought his army days were behind him. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
But, four years later, he was recalled | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
when the Suez crisis broke out. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
The Suez crisis came about in 1956 | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
because President Nasser, Colonel Nasser, of Egypt, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
decided that the Suez Canal should belong to the Egyptian people | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
and not a private company owned by the British and the French. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
So, overnight, one night, in July 1956, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
he nationalised it and took it over, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
much to the consternation of the British and the French. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
The British Army decided that, along with the French, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
it would invade Egypt to regain control of the canal, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
a vital route for trade between Europe and the rest of the world. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
But Operation Musketeer, as it was known, faced a problem. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
When the Suez crisis starts, the British Army are short of an awful lot of soldiers | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
because, in peace time, the British Army had been shrunk. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
So they start recalling soldiers who served in the Second World War | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
who were still on reserve. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
So people like Ronald Boyne find themselves getting his call papers and being called back in again. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
An awful lot of men just said "No, I've done my bit in the Second World War, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
"you get some other fellas to fight this one for you." | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
In October, Israel attacked Egypt | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
and, a month later, the British and French invaded. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
But with no support from the Americans, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
and the threat of economic sanctions against them, they were forced to retreat. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
Suddenly, the politicians find themselves having to pull the army out. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
That's hugely embarrassing for the British Army, the British government, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
the British people and the British standing in the world. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Suddenly, here were the great imperialists, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
who ran big chunks of the globe for so long, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
finding themselves kicked out with their tails between their legs, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
having not achieved what they set out to do. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
Having amassed a great army in Egypt, after just a few weeks, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
the soldiers were sent home. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
The British force that land there on 5th November | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
are all withdrawn by 22nd December. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
In Ronald's case, he does make it to Egypt. Many of the people called up as reservists, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
at the time of Suez, find themselves going to their depots, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
getting reissued with uniform, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
going through basic training again to get them back up to speed. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
But by the time that they themselves onto the ships ready to go, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
the whole thing's over and done with. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
After doing his duty in Egypt, Ronald returned to Birmingham | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
and soon settled back into civilian life. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Back on the hunt for heirs, the team had established | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
that Ronald and his wife did not have children. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
The next step was to look for close kin. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
From his birth certificate, researcher Michael discovered | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
that Ronald's parents were James Boyne and Winifred Turrell, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
who were married in Birmingham in 1921. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Their son Ronald was born in 1926. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
But if they had other children, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
they would be first in line to inherit his estate. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
If his siblings had died but had children, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
as Ronald's nieces and nephews, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
they would also be beneficiaries. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Michael began looking for births on their database records. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
The names are relatively easy to work. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
Boyne is not one that I've come across before. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
But the only difficulty was Turrell. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
In the heir-hunting game, the right names are crucial. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
But Ronald's mother, Winifred Turrell, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
was continually changing the spelling of her surname. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
She was changing it around and dropping letters | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
and adding letters, from Turrell with two "Ls" | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
to Turrell with one "L", | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
or Turrell spelt T-U-R-R-I-L-L, or E-L-L. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
So, therefore...we've had to check every possible variation | 0:35:19 | 0:35:25 | |
on Turrell, just to make sure we haven't missed | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
any potential siblings of the deceased. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
Michael found that Ronald was one of six children. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
They all seem to have been born in Birmingham, which has helped. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
You can just go through it really quickly. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
Ronald's brothers, James and Francis, known as Frank, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
and his sisters, Patricia and Annie, are all dead. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
If they had children, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
as nieces and nephews of the deceased, they would be heirs. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
But Ronald's youngest sister Maureen is still alive. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
As his closest relative, she is entitled to a share in his estate | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
and they hope she can put them in touch with any surviving family. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
Senior researcher Paul is on his way to meet her. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Amazingly, Maureen had no idea her brother had died, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
despite living not far from him in Tamworth near Birmingham. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
The office managed to speak to the sister of the deceased. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
They have told her the bad news about her brother. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
So she is aware, so when I turn up it's on appointment now. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
She is expecting us, but she will be aware her brother has died. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
But, obviously, she'll probably have a few questions, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
a few queries about what actually happened. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
It's not the nicest part of the job | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
when you have to go and see people | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
and it's a near relative, brother or sister. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
But, obviously, it's something that has to be done. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Something I've done in the past, obviously. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
Obviously, you get different reactions. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
It's not the pleasant side of the job, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
but, obviously, it's something we have to do. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
And it's better that these near relatives are made aware of what's going on, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
as opposed to, basically, never finding out | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
and the government getting the estate. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
-Do come in. -Pleased to meet you. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:10 | |
Nice to meet you. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
OK? | 0:37:12 | 0:37:13 | |
So you're aware of why we're here - sadly your brother has passed away. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
Obviously, he never made a will, so his estate | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
was in the process of going to the government. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
I gather you haven't seen your brother for many years. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
The last time I saw my brother was when I was still at school. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
-Really? -Yes. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
And he was in the, um, in the army. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
And he brought me, um... | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
He'd been in Egypt, that was it, and he brought me | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
a mother-of-pearl necklace, no, bracelet, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
and a little bag - | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
a little leather bag with a camel on it, and I never saw him again. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
Oh, right. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
We were the sort of family who didn't stay together. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
We were the sort of family that you best keep apart! | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
Because as soon as we get together, we start fighting. SHE LAUGHS | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
Mum always used to say that with Ronald and Frank... | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
Now then, what did she used to say? There was a saying. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
"Ron used to make the bullets, Frank used to fire them." | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
So, in other words, they used to get into a bit of trouble. SHE LAUGHS | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
-You can choose your friends, but not your family. -That's right. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
-You haven't done too bad, have you? -No. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
-You've got the old man. -Oh, yes. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
Isn't he wonderful? He's wonderful. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
-When did your dad pass away? -There again, I don't know. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
My mum and dad were divorced after 40 years of marriage. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
He went and married again, you see, so, presumably, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
they saw the end of him and we didn't. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Right. Any idea roughly how long ago? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Were you made aware when he died? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
-No. -No? -No. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
-Charming. -No. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:53 | |
-It was that antagonistic, I'm sorry. -Oh, dear! | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
-40 years of marriage full of misery. -I've never met her father. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
Oh, right. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
-Nor this brother we're talking about. -Oh, right. -No, no. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
As I said, we're not a family. We stay together. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
So most of the family is a bit of a mystery. You'll be glad to get your family tree? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
It would be interesting, yes, it would be nice, yes. It would be a start. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
Maureen has no idea what she'll do with her inheritance. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
I mean, this has come out of the blue, so I haven't got a clue. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
In any case, it may be... it may be just a little bit, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
it may be... Well, we don't know, do we? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
There may be a property involved. Obviously, it's... | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-So we will. -We just don't know. -Exactly. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
-We will know before too long. -We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
We obviously think it's an estate that's worthwhile pursuing. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
Nice meeting you. All the very best. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
It's nice to meet you, as well, yes. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
I hope it all comes to fruition. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:54 | |
-Well, thank you very much for speaking to us. -OK, then, cheers. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
-See you. -Bye-bye. -Bye-bye now. Take care. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
Thank you. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
Paul has signed up Maureen as an heir | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
and he calls Tony in the office to tell him the good news. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Hello. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
I've seen Maureen Wright. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
Basically, she signed up with us. She's quite happy. Lovely lady. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
Um, so we had a good chat. Not too much family information | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
'because, um, basically,' | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
she was the youngest, and the whole family just disappeared | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
and and they didn't bother keeping in touch. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
OK, thanks a lot. Have a good day. Bye. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Bye. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
Amazingly, she wasn't aware | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
that her brother who was some 14 years older than her | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
had died in Birmingham | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
not that many miles' distance from her. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
You know, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
it's, um, the way that the, um, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
world seems to be going lately. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
So the Boyne family had grown apart | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
and Ronald had little or no contact with his brothers and sisters. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Over in France, Tony has tracked down another heir. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
She's Ronald's niece through his brother Frank | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
and she has her own story of why they grew apart. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
She advised me that the... | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
that the father had fallen out with her Uncle Ronald many years ago. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:16 | |
She's not too sure precisely what it was, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
but she thought it was possibly over an argument about a dog called Rex. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
Not too sure whether that was the deceased's dog, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
or the heir's father's dog. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Or what the heir's father's dog, if it was the heir's father's dog, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
did or didn't do. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
But, that seems to be the reason | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
that the deceased hasn't spoken to the rest of his brothers and sisters for many years. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
Meanwhile, Michael has been looking for heirs | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
from Ronald's sister Patricia. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
She died in her 50s, leaving behind four children. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
But, sadly, records reveal | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
none of them is entitled to any of Ronald's money. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
They were all put up for adoption | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
and, therefore, lost their right to inherit from their birth family. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
In the end, along with his sister Maureen | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
and his niece in France, the team found three more heirs | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
to Ronald's estate through his brother Frank - | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
another niece, a great-niece and a great-nephew. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
They've been quite good names to research. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
They've stayed in the same area, more or less. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
So it's actually been relatively quick and easy to do. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
We've got five heirs, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
all of which seem to be more than happy with it all. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
So, overall, it's been a very good case. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
And it's Ronald's sister Maureen who will inherit | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
the most from her brother's estate. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
She is entitled to half of everything he left behind. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
It's slightly more valuable than we thought it was. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
We'll wait to see when we get the accurate figures back, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
but we were looking at £100,000 - | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
the figure may be nearer £200,000, so quite a large estate. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:55 | |
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