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Welcome to Heir Hunters, where we follow the search | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
for relatives of people who've died without leaving a will, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
hoping to unite them with forgotten fortunes. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Today, the heir hunters are researching an estate | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
-worth an astronomical amount of money. -Found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
Somewhere out there are some long-lost relatives, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Coming up on today's programme... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
Now we can rock'n'roll. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
..it's pennies from heaven for one lucky beneficiary. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
When I discovered the value of the estate, I was staggered. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
An heir hunt that travels across the globe | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
and uncovers one of the most valuable estates ever... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
He's going to receive a truly life-changing amount of money. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
An heir retraces his grandfather's footsteps... | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
-He's done things that we can never, ever dream of doing. -..deep in the trenches of World War One. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
When the whistles went and you'd go off over the top, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
you were just sort of floundering almost waist deep in mud and water. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
I find out how to research relatives who served in the military. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
It's amazing, to suddenly see them as a human, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
as not somebody on paper - a great grandad you've never met. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Plus, how YOU could be entitled to a share of an unclaimed estate. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
then any money that's left behind will go to the government. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
Last year, they made £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
That's where the heir hunters come in. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
There are over 30 specialist firms who make it their business | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
to track down missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
People are entitled to this money. We make sure they get it. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
First up today, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
the heir hunters investigate the case of a man who died abroad | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
But with little information to go on, can the team find the right family? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
-It's early Thursday morning at the offices of Fraser & Fraser... -Can you check probate, Debbie? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
..and the team are already hard at work. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
-That could be right. -No, I don't like that. Wrong age. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
The Treasury has just released its list of people who've died without leaving a will | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
and boss Neil Fraser | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
has spotted a case which is a little out of the ordinary. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
What we're looking at today is the case of Robert Ford Mead | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
and he dies in Thailand. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
The list of unclaimed estates normally only covers people | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
who have died in England or Wales. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
The only exception is when somebody dies overseas, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
but leaves behind assets in the UK. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
Neil knows that this case could be fraught with difficulties. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
This is going to be very, very hard for us to get on. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
We don't know if we're going to be able to get the death certificate. We don't know how old he is, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
because we take that information, usually, off the death certificate. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
We certainly don't know what type of assets he's got. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
The team are hoping they're dealing with a wealthy ex-pat, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
who's left behind a property, bank account or pension in the UK. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
But Robert Mead could just as easily have died | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
with no more than a few thousand pounds to his name. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
So the team are taking a massive gamble. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Heir hunters work on commission, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
receiving a percentage of an estate's final value. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
If the value is substantial, they'll make a profit. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
If the value is very low, they could have trouble just breaking even. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Neil puts senior researcher Gareth in charge of the case. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
-Have we got a manager on this? -Yeah. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Gareth is an experienced heir hunter | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
but already he's worried about the seemingly insurmountable task ahead of him. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
I haven't got an area in the UK to look for him. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
So I don't know where he was from, originally. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Was he living in Thailand? Was he just on holiday in Thailand? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
I've, literally, only got his name, Robert Ford Mead. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
So I'm struggling to identify anything, really. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
With no leads to go on, Gareth decides a sensible place | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
to start his enquiries is with the British Embassy in Thailand, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
so he gives them a call. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
We are actually in the process of trying to locate the heirs to his estate | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
and at the moment, we've got so little information to go on, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
I was hoping you might have some further details. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
This turns out to be a good move, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
as the Embassy in Bangkok is more than willing to help. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
Thank you very, very much. Cheers, bye. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
He thinks they will almost certainly have a file on the deceased | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
and he's going to root out that file | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
and hopefully e-mail or call us back with some details. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
Robert was one of around 6,000 British nationals | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
who die every year overseas. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Before his name appeared on the Treasury list, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
his death would have set in motion | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
a whole chain of events, both in Thailand and the UK. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
The responsibility for deaths abroad lies with the Foreign Office. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
When a death comes in, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
it will always be the frontline services, at our embassy, consulate, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:48 | |
our high commission, that will generally deal with it. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
And that can obviously mean immediately dealing with | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
the authorities, it can mean dealing with the police, the hospital, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
depending on the nature of that death. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
It will be called in to London | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
and we will obviously start looking for the next of kin here. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Finding the next of kin is of paramount importance. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
In an ideal world, there would be, in the back of the passport, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
where it says "next of kin", details, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
but unfortunately, that doesn't always happen. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
So you may look through some of the belongings, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
you may have to look at the credit card details, any personal letters. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
Talk to the ex-pat community, did they know him? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Was he a member of any clubs? Is he registered with the embassy? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
With the British Embassy in Thailand on the case, things are looking up. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
While Gareth waits for them to get back to him, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
the rest of the team start pursuing other leads, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
and it's not long before they make a breakthrough. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
What we've been able to do is, through a process | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
of pure elimination, is identify the address for the deceased. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
By going through all the Robert F Meads they could find on the electoral roll, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
the team have been able to identify one who was living by himself. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
They believe this is the correct Robert Mead | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
and the electoral roll provides them with his address. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
He owns a property down in Eastbourne and it looks like a family home, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
so we've got value on it, so we've started rolling on it. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
This is exactly what Neil was hoping for. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
A family home in Eastbourne could be worth a substantial sum of money, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
so the team now know it's worth their while to continue pursuing this case. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
Now we can rock'n'roll. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Robert Mead died on 17 February, 2010, in Koh Samui, in Thailand. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:39 | |
But the team have now discovered he did have a life in the UK. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
His next-door neighbour, Ramesh Patel, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
knew him from when he was a young man. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
Robert was a shy boy. Very, very shy. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
I never saw any friends, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
not even a boy friend, not even a girlfriend. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Robert shared a house in London with his parents, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
to whom he was very close. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Robert loves his mother a lot. That we saw. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Because they always go together, no? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
All three of them. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
His parents eventually retired to Eastbourne, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
but Robert stayed on in London, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
where he worked as a development manager | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
for a well-known cake and biscuit company. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
He always comes with the van, Mr Kipling cakes, or McVitie's. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
He always parked the van here, in front of the house. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
That's why I knew that he's working for McVitie's or Mr Kipling. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
The team now know that Robert owned a property in the UK, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
which means there is money in the estate. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
But the discovery of his address | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
has also provided them with a vital clue - | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
Robert's age when he died. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
He's 63 years old, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
which is pretty much how old we thought he was going to be. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
The team can now work out the year that Robert was born | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
and, thus, identify the correct birth record for him. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
Once they have the correct birth, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
-they can look for other family members. -Now we've got his birth, we can work it in the normal way. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
He appeared to be living with a John and an Isabella, who are probably the parents, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
so we are going to work those. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
We need to see if he's got any brothers and sisters. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Researcher Debbie gets on the case. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
I just want to double-check the spelling of the mother's maiden name. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
She finds a marriage for Robert's parents, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
rather unexpectedly, in Scotland, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
and then goes on to see whether they had any children, other than Robert. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Currently, I'm trying to establish siblings of the deceased. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Debbie's search comes up trumps. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
So far, we think he's got a brother, John. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
This is potentially an exciting development. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
If John is still alive, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
he could be the heir to Robert's estate. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
Robert's parents, John and Isabella, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
married in Edinburgh in 1944. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Soon after marrying, they moved to London, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
where they had two children, Robert and his younger brother, John. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
John was born in 1949, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:14 | |
so there's every possibility he's still alive, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
or so the team think. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Unfortunately, a quick search of the death records... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Dies in '84. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
..reveals that John passed away in 1984. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
To confirm this death, and eliminate John as an heir, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Gareth needs to get a copy of John's death certificate | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
from the register office in Hounslow in London. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Ah, is that Bob? | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
And, as luck would have it, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
travelling researcher Bob Smith calls in at this particular moment. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
-'Hi, Bob.' -Hello, Gareth. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
'After you've got Millsy's death certificate,' | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
can you get one for me from Hounslow, please? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
-Hounslow, yeah? -It's John Andrew Mead, M-E-A-D. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
Whilst the bulk of their research is done in the office, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
heir hunters also rely heavily on a network of travelling researchers, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
ready to hit the road at a moment's notice. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Based throughout the UK, their job is to pick up certificates, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
make enquiries with neighbours, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
and make sure they get to the heirs ahead of competing heir hunters. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
-All right. OK, mate. -'Cheers.' -Cheers. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
While Bob heads off to Hounslow, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
the team set about looking for a marriage for Robert's brother, John. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
-Check marriages for John A Mead. -John A Mead? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Yeah, dies in Hounslow in 1984. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
And it's not long before they find one. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
-Hounslow? -Hounslow's good. Hounslow's perfect, in fact. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
-So, take that marriage, then. June '78. -June' 78. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
It looks as though Robert's brother, John, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
got married in Hounslow in 1978. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
The team's task now | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
is to see whether he and his wife had any children. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
If they did, they could be the heirs to Robert Mead's estate, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
but it's not looking hopeful. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
-Gareth? -Go ahead. -Small issue. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Neil hasn't found any children from the marriage of John Mead. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
This means that there don't appear to be any close kin on this case, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
and the team will now have to expand their search, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
to look for aunts, uncles and cousins. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Researcher Alan gets to work | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
on Robert's father's side of the family. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
I have identified the marriage of the deceased's paternal grandparents. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
Robert's paternal grandparents were John Mead and Julia Bennett. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
They had two children, Robert's father, John, and a daughter, Joyce. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
If Joyce had any children, they would be cousins of Robert's, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
and potential heirs to his estate. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
But it's not good news. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Joyce died, unmarried, in 1947 in Brentford. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
As Joyce was Robert's father's only sister, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and as she died without having any children, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
this brings research on the paternal side of the family to an end. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
It would appear at the moment in time there's going to be no full blood | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
on the paternal side of the family. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Things are not looking very hopeful. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
With no close kin and no heirs on Robert's father's side, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
the team's only hope now is the maternal side, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
and it looks as though they're all based in Scotland. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Good morning, Alan. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
How are you? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
It's Gareth, by the way. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
Gareth puts in a call to the company's Scottish agent, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
to request some help with their research. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
It's a very short family tree, cos we don't have much information. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
The deceased is Robert Ford Mead, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
and that's M-E-A-D. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
Robert Ford's parents are John Clifford Mead | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
and Isabella Ford Finlayson. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
They get married in 1944, in Edinburgh. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
That's our Scottish agent, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
who's going to get the marriage of the deceased parents | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
and will almost certainly be working the Finlaysons in Scotland, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
I would have thought. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
All the team can do now | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
is play a waiting game and hope that the Scottish agent | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
will find some heirs | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
on Robert's mother Isabella's side of the family. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
We're really pinning all our hopes on Isabella. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Hopefully, Isabella's got a nice family | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
and we'll find some heirs from that. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
Nice, big family. Nice, big Scottish family, that's what we want! | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
Coming up, the team gets confirmation | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
of the estate's final value, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
and it exceeds all expectations. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
When I discovered the value of the estate, I was... | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Well, I was staggered. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
It's 45 minutes, an hour's worth of research, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
which could make Fraser & Fraser's year. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
The heir hunters are pinning their hopes | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
on Robert's Scottish mother leading them to heirs on this case. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
'I'm going to meet case manager Simon Grosvenor, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
to find out how the team research Scottish records.' | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Why does Scotland have their own set of records? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
It's because Scotland is a separate country and, despite | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
James I succeeding to England and the Act of Union, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
it retained its own legal system, so when they set up the | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths, they set it up separately. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
It was on January 1, 1855 that civil registration | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
of births, marriages and deaths replaced the old system | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
of parish records in Scotland. From 1855, registration | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
became compulsory, regardless of | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
religious belief or denomination | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
and followed a standard format for each record type. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
Are there any differences between Scottish records | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
and English and Welsh records? | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
Scottish records, very helpfully, from our point of view, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
have more information on them | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
than you would get on a standard English or Welsh certificate. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Whist extra information do they have? | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
As an example, we've got here the birth of Alexander Fleming... | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
-Who discovered penicillin. -Indeed. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Now, the certificate says here, he was born on August 6th, 1881. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
It gives you the time of day that he was born, which you | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
wouldn't standardly get on an English or Welsh certificate. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
The exception is twins or multiple births, when they give you the time. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
On Scottish births, you get it for everybody, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
so if you wanted to do a horoscope or something, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
you've got the time, and it tells you where, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
and then it gives both the parents' details, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
so you get the maiden name of the mother, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
but also - again, you don't get this on English or Welsh certificates - | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
you get the place and date of the parents' marriage. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
The rest of the information - "who informed?" In this case, the father. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
And when and where it was registered. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
That must be really useful information, as an heir hunter? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Yes, it is, because if we were doing this in England or Wales, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
we'd have to search for the marriage. Here, we've got the date. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
We can go straight to it and don't have to look. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Also, if it's a common name and you know | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
when it was, you know it's the right one. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Also, the marriages are different. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
We've got here the marriage of J M Barrie. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
-Yes, he wrote Peter Pan, my favourite. -Indeed. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
And it gives you his name | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
and the name of his wife, and when and where the marriage occurred. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
It gives his occupation and notes she is a spinster. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
It also, and this is again | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
the difference. On an English certificate, you'd just get the name | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
of the father of either the groom or the bride. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
On the Scottish certificate, you get the name of the mother, as well, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
including her maiden name. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
So, if you're going to go backwards, you know who both | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
the parents are, you can find their marriage and it makes life | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
a lot easier, cos we don't have to guess the maiden name of the mother | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
or check loads of other marriages. You just go straight for that one. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
-How can people access these records? -Again, one of the other differences | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
is that you can actually see the entries. If you go into one of | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
the websites where they have the births, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
marriages and deaths, or the census records, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
up to about 1906, you can actually see the entry. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Instead of having to apply for a certificate in England, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
then wait for it to come back and get information, you can just | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
highlight it, click on it and get all the information straight away. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
-Amazing! -You can go back much more quickly, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
-which makes it rather more exciting, I think. -Yes. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
If you want to trace your Scottish ancestors, before the introduction | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
of civil registration in 1855, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
the old parish records are also online and some of the records | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
date back as far as the mid-1500s. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
However, the amount of information found on parish records | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
can be variable and some entries contain little detail. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
Scotland keep their own records. Are there any other places within the UK | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
-that do the same? -Virtually everywhere other than | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
England and Wales is kept separately, so Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
the Channel Islands and, curiously, Lundy, which was privately-owned | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
for quite a long period and seem to have "escaped". | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
Their records are kept at Kew. The others | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
are kept either on the Isle of Man or Jersey or Guernsey, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
depending which one it is. The records in Jersey are slightly | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
more complicated, cos they're kept in French, so if you don't | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
speak French, it makes life more difficult. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
In that sense, the Scottish records, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
although they're also different, they're much easier to see | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
than a lot of the others. The others are a more complicated process to do. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
You just have to, perhaps, travel a bit further to find them. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
-Thank you. -OK. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year and millions of pounds | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
are paid out to rightful heirs, but not every case can be cracked. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
The Treasury has a database of over 2,000 names, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
which have baffled the heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
This is known as the Bona Vacantia list. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Bona Vacantia is the Latin term for ownerless property. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
There's two main types. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
There's the property of now-dissolved companies | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
and the estates of those who die without a valid will | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
or entitled kin. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
And this unclaimed money could have your name on it. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
The Crown doesn't want all estates at all costs. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
It's not how it operates. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
It wants kin to be found and that's what we work very hard to do. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
Could you be the heir they've been searching for? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds, thousands | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
or even millions of pounds? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
Pollyanna Frances Charley Burnett died in Hereford in November, 2009. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
Although Burnett is a relatively common surname, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
Polyanna's forenames make her name combination very unusual. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
Are you related to Pollyanna? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Does her combination of names mean anything to you? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
John Emmanuel O'Hosi died in Leeds in February, 2007. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
O'Hosi is a very unusual clan name, with unclear origins. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Do you share the surname O'Hosi? Could you be John's heir? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
Mary Griffiss died in Woodford Green in Essex in November, 2004. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
The surname Griffiss, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
probably a corruption of the popular surname, Griffiths, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
is extremely rare in the UK. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
Were you a friend or neighbour of Mary's? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Can you help solve this case? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
If you think you might be related to Mary, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
or to any of those featured today, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
then follow the Treasury Solicitor's advice. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
If people want to find out information about | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
Bona Vacantia Division, the first port of call | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
is our website. We have a dedicated website | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
and there is information on there | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
for them to find out about what we do and how to make a claim. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Those names again... Pollyanna Burnett, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
John O'Hosi and Mary Griffiss. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
If any of the names today are relatives of yours, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
then you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Next, the case of a man from Coventry, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
who died without leaving a will. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
The task for the heir hunters is to find out if he had | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
any living family entitled to inherit his money. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
This is what happened in the case of Robin Miller. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
Robin Miller died on November 26, 2008, in Coventry. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
He was 73 years old. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
He lived alone in a flat in this house, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
where his neighbours knew him as a quiet, reclusive character. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
But Robin was actually a man of hidden depths | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
and had a bit of an adventurous streak, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
as his lifelong friend Roy can reveal. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
Robin's main passion was cycling. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
He used to do Land's End to John o'Groats | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
on his summer holiday fortnight. In those days, he used to manage | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
to do it in the fortnight. I should think | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
he must have done it 20 times in his lifetime. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Robin was also a man | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
of rather old-fashioned tastes. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
'A pure Victorian' | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
and anything past the, sort of, the war, he didn't want to know about. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:14 | |
He just felt that it was a waste of time. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
If it was horse and carts | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
or that type of transport, he'd love it, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
but if it was cars or planes, he'd boycott it. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
He lived for Victoria. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
When Robin died, he left an estate of £33,000, but no will. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
His case was taken up by heir hunter Tony Pledger. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
This case first came to our attention | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
on the Bona Vacantia list. At that time, we couldn't establish a value | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
'for it, so we put it to one side, until such time' | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
as we did know a value. That turned out to be £33,000. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
'We then started looking into it.' | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Tony's first step was to establish whether Robin had been married | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
and whether he'd had any children. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
We're unable to trace any marriages of him in the Coventry area. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
We then have to assume that he was a bachelor at the time of his death. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
And, as a bachelor, had no children. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
As Robin had no descendants, the team would now have to go | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
back a generation, to find his parents. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Once they had his parents' names, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
they could see whether Robin had any brothers and sisters. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
The birth certificate of Robin told us who his parents were. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
We then found that they'd married in 1922, in the Chipping Norton | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
registration district. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
From that marriage, there were two children, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Robin's elder sister and Robin. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Robin's parents were Walter Miller and Kathleen Dore. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
They had two children - Cicely, born in 1926, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
and Robin, born in 1934. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
If Cicely was still alive, as Robin's only sister, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
she could be the sole heir to his £33,000 estate. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
The team's task now was to try and track her down. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Robin Miller was born on December 12, 1934, in Coventry. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
As a boy, he worked in a local grocer's shop, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
where he soon progressed to become manager. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
He then went on to work for the railway. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
Well, he has to shovel the coal in the fire | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
and keep the steam up and all this, you know? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
Yeah, and he was on one or two of the bigger engines. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
He went to London, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
and from London to Glasgow and that | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
on the Royal Scot and one or two others, I think. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Tragically, Robin's parents both died within a year of each other | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
when Robin was just 18, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
and his neighbour Roy and his family took him under their wing. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
My dad invited him round for Christmas lunch, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
which he thoroughly enjoyed, because we lived on... | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
It was like a smallholding, on Tile Hill Lane, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
and we used to rear our own poultry, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
and we used to have goose for Christmas lunch, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
and it really went down well. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
And he never missed a Christmas lunch | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
with my father and myself for 60 years. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
In the office, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:25 | |
the team have discovered that Robin had a sister, Cicely, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
who could potentially be the heir to his estate. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
But a search of the death records soon put an end to this possibility. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
She passed away in 1933, aged six years, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
in Coventry Hospital, of bronchial pneumonia. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
This meant that Robin had no surviving close kin, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
and the team would have to go back a generation | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
to investigate the families of Robin's parents. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Tony started to look into Robin's mother's side of the family. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
He discovered that Robin's mother, Kathleen, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
was the daughter of James and Louisa Dore. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
She had six siblings, who would be aunts and uncles of Robin's. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
The team began to work their way through these uncles and aunts, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
to see whether they had married and had any children. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
It transpired that all of the uncles and aunts | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
had family of their own | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
and so, it became immediately apparent | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
that we were looking at a fairly sizeable maternal family. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
With such a large maternal family, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
the team had high hopes of finding some of them still alive. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
It looked like they were on the verge of finding their first heirs. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
Coming up... The search for heirs | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
reveals the horror of life in the trenches during World War One. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
I'm glad it was those guys and not me. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
It's not something I'd fancy doing, that's for sure. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
Here are some more unsolved cases, where heirs still need to be found. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
The list of unclaimed estates is money that is owed | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
to members of the public and new names are added all the time. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
The Bona Vacantia unclaimed list is a list of cases | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
that we haven't found kin for. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
The list goes back to 1997, because that is when | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
our case management system came online. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
The idea is to produce a list of all those solvent cases, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
so there should be at least a few pounds in there, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
possibly, many thousands. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
Do these names mean anything to you? Are they relatives of yours? | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
Vesterborg Bendix Sorensen died in Brighton, back in June, 2000. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
The surname Sorensen is Danish or Norwegian | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and probably gives a clue to Vesterborg's heritage. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
Do you know anything about Vesterborg's family? | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Can you help solve this case? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Nicholas Daniel Gabrilenko died in Cardiff, in March, 2001. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
The surname Gabrilenko is extremely rare and may be | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
from Russia or the Ukraine. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
It also appears that Nicholas had a wife, who pre-deceased him, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
called Rita. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Do you know Nicholas? Did he ever speak to you about any family? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
Eva Price died on June 19, 1998, in Birkenhead. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
I've got Eva's death certificate here. It contains more information | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
about her. It says she was born | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
on September 14, 1932, in Birkenhead. As she was born | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
and died in the same area, perhaps she was from a local family. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
The death certificate also reveals Eva's middle names, one of them | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
being Barnett, which could have been her mother's maiden name. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Does this ring a bell with you? Was there an Eva in your family? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
If you think you're related to any of the names today, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
you need to show your relationship to the deceased, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
in order to claim their estate. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
People need to prove their entitlement, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
by producing documentary | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
evidence - certificates of birth, death and marriage. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
We will tell them what's required | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
and then they will need documents of identity. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
A reminder of those names again... | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Vesterborg Sorensen... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
Nicholas Gabrilenko.... | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
and Eva Price. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
If today's names are relatives of yours, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
Now, let's return to the hunt for living relatives of Robin Miller. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
The team's on the verge of finding their first heir. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Heir hunter Tony Pledger was looking into Robin's case. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
He died in Coventry, aged 73, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
leaving behind an estate worth £33,000. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
As Robin had never married and had no children or living siblings, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
Tony had expanded his search to look for aunts, uncles and cousins. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
And it looked like there were quite a few. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
It became immediately apparent | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
that we were looking at | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
a fairly sizeable maternal family of the deceased. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
One of Robin's maternal aunts was Violet Dore, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
who married a Thomas Sandland. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
They had a daughter, Dorothy, who had sadly passed away. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
When she died in 2009, she had survived the deceased, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
but unfortunately, she had died before we were able to contact her. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
So Dorothy's share of Robin's £33,000 estate | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
would now pass to her son, Marshall. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
The team tracked Marshall down to an address in Bedfordshire | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
and got in contact. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
Their call came as a bolt out of the blue. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
It was a shock to get a call from Fraser, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
cos I only met the guy once, back in the '60s. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
So to think we were entitled to something was an absolute knockout. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
I had no idea. It was amazing. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
The only time Marshall had met Robin was at his grandmother's funeral. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
I know absolutely nothing about cousin Robin. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
I only met him the once. I didn't even know he was a relative of mine. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
He walked in and somebody said, "This is your cousin Robin." | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
I said, "Oh, really?" So that was it. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Marshall is actually Robin's first cousin, once removed. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
His mother, Dorothy, was Robin's first cousin. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
She married Reginald in 1944 and Marshall was their only son. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
My parents met during the war, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
while they were both working for AC-Sphinx, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
a company that made spark plugs for Spitfires and such like. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
WHISTLE PEEPS | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
During the Second World War, working for a factory like AC-Sphinx | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
would have been a reserved occupation. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
Reserved occupations are those civilian jobs | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
which are so important, either to the munitions industry | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
or to the national economy, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
that the people who hold them are exempted from conscription. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
A spark plug factory would have fallen into this category. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
Britain fights a very motorised war. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
It's reliant on an enormous aerial campaign against Germany, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
from 1941 onwards. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Every bomber that's flying against Germany | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
has four of these huge engines powering it across the Channel. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
It's reliant on an awful lot of spark plugs. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
Marshall's father, Reginald, worked as a universal grinder, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
sharpening the tools used to make the spark plugs. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
His mother, Dorothy, was a production worker. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
As the war progressed, more and more men were called up to fight | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
and this led to an increased need for manpower | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
to fill the jobs back home. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
One of the ways to do that, is to bring a lot more women | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
into the engineering labour force | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
and particularly into the munitions production system. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
Most of those women | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
are undertaking what are fairly unskilled jobs, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
but some of them go on to take up what would formerly have been | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
reserved occupations held by men. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
The introduction of women into the engineering workforce | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
provided plenty of opportunity for romance to blossom, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
which is exactly what happened in the case of Marshall's parents. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
They did their courting at the back of the factory | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
during the air raids and during the war. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
But, yeah, they enjoyed it. They had good fun there. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
And, er, that's how I happened to come into this world. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
Inheriting from a cousin he hardly knew | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
has awakened Marshall's interest in the family that linked them. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
In particular, his grandfather, and Robin's uncle, Thomas. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
Just like Marshall's parents, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
who were brought together by the Second World War, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
his grandparents, Thomas and Violet, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
also met doing their bit for their country during the First World War. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
My grandfather, Tom Sandland, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
he was fighting in Ypres | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
and was in the Durham Light Infantry. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
He got injured and he landed up in hospital and, um, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
she nursed him and they fell in love. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
Thomas Sandland was in the 11th Battalion Pioneers, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
a division of the Durham Light Infantry, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
who landed in France in July, 1915. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
They spent the duration of the war on the Western Front | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
and saw action in some of the major battles of the First World War. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
Marshall is keen to find out more | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
about the wartime experiences of his grandfather, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
who was also Robin's uncle. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
So he's going to meet historian and First World War expert, Taff Gillingham. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
-Hello, Marshall, pleased to meet you. -Hello, Taff, pleased to meet you. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
-Want to have a look at the trench? -That's why I'm here. -Follow me. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Taff wants to give Marshall an idea | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
of the conditions his grandfather would have fought under. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
So he's invited him to visit a replica | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
of the First World War trench system, near Ipswich in Suffolk. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
So your grandfather, Thomas Sandland, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
served with the 11th Service Battalion of the Durham Light Infantry. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
And the service battalions were those which were raised | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
only for service during the First World War. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
That's all that they were going to do and at the end they'd be disbanded. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
So they weren't regular soldiers, they weren't territorial soldiers, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
-they were what they called Kitchener volunteers. -Yeah. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Kitchener's Army was an all-volunteer army | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
formed in the United Kingdom after the outbreak of hostilities. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
It was created by the Secretary of State for War, Horatio Kitchener. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
Contrary to popular belief that the war would be over by Christmas, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
he predicted a long and costly battle | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
that would require a huge increase in troop numbers. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
So he began a massive recruitment campaign to expand Britain's army. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
The 11th Service Battalion were nearly all miners. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
Yeah, that would fit in, because Pop was a miner. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
Because there were so many miners, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
they were made into a Pioneer Battalion. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
And what that meant was that, within their division, they were the troops | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
who were fighting soldiers - they could find themselves in action, as well - | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
but they could be called upon to do trench digging, road building, repairing structures in the trench. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
-So they had a specific role, as well as doing the fighting. -Multitasking. -Absolutely. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
Before the war, Thomas Sandland worked as a coalminer in Durham. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
His experience down in the pits was perfect preparation | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
for the gruelling hours of trench digging | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
he would undertake as a Pioneer. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Never was this more true than at the Battle of Passchendaele. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
The big problem with the fighting at Passchendaele was that the weather turned | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
and there was torrential rain. When the whistles went, you'd get off over the top. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
You were just floundering almost waist-deep in mud and water. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
Obviously, in the midst of battles, trenches get very heavily shelled. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
You know, if it's been battered for several days | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
this all gets filled in. The earth's coming in, the sides are smashed down. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
So a big role that they have is keeping the trenches deep enough to defend. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
At the time, Passchendaele was seen as a vital piece of ground | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
that needed capturing. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
The Germans were sitting up on the Passchendaele Ridge, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
observing the British Army, not just from the front, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
but also from two sides. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:57 | |
And it was a thorn in the British side | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
that needed clearing and sorting out. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
Really, 1917, the Battle of Passchendaele is probably, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
out of all of the battles in the First World War, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
the one that sapped British morale more than any others. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
Taff has obtained a copy of the 11th Battalion's war diary, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
which paints a vivid picture | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
of the back-breaking work the Pioneers undertook. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
Here we are on the 29th. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:22 | |
Read this for me. It just gives you an idea | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
of how it wore the fellows out. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:26 | |
So, read it from here. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
"The men are thoroughly weary on arrival, in bivouacs. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
"After work, they parade daily at 7:15am, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
"carry haversack rations and return at 4:30pm. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
"They take both breakfast and dinner in the dark. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
"Some are too tired to eat dinner. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
"Others too weary to turn out for rum rations." | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
It really does give you an idea of how much hard physical work | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
these fellas were having to put in. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
-Besides the fighting. -Besides the fighting side of it. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
I mean, in a way, this role of the Pioneers | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
-is more important than the fighting. -Oh yeah, yeah. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
Cos they're obviously doing this work for everybody else in their brigade. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
-Creating all these tunnels and these... -Yep. -Oh! | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
For Marshall, today's experience has been a real eye-opener. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
It was very, very eerie being in those trenches. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
I'm glad it was those guys and not me. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
It's not something I'd fancy doing. That's for sure. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
But it's also served to reinforce the affection he feels | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
for his grandfather, and Robin's uncle, Thomas Sandland. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
I've always admired my grandfather | 0:39:31 | 0:39:32 | |
because of what he made of himself and what he's done, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
but to see what he went through to get there, it's, er... | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
You can only love him and admire him even more, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
because he's done things that we can never, ever dream of doing. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
Absolutely fabulous. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
Marshall didn't really know his cousin Robin, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
but thanks to him, he has gained a fascinating insight | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
into his family's experiences during the two World Wars. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
And those who did know Robin well | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
will remember him fondly. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
'After my dad died and then he came to us,' | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
I think he most likely looked on me nearly as a brother, really. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
'He come to our house once a week, on a Monday.' | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
And it was a real ritual every week. He wouldn't go anywhere else. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
He'd come if he'd got pneumonia. He just loved coming, aye. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
The hunt for heirs led Marshall | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
to investigate his grandfather's experiences in the First World War. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
I'm keen to find out more about how military records can help | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
when it comes to researching family history. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
'I'm off to meet military expert Taff Allingham, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
'who can tell me where to look | 0:40:42 | 0:40:43 | |
'and hopefully help me search for my relatives.' | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
So why are military records such a good way to find out about your family? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
Well, the really good thing | 0:40:51 | 0:40:52 | |
is that the military, over the years, gathered so much information | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
about individual soldiers, sailors and airmen, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
and kept all these records almost entirely for pensions purposes, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
that's why they're all still around | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
and amongst it, you can find, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
if they were married, it will tell you who they married, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
how many children they had, what their names were, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
where they were living at certain times. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
There is a physical description of them, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
so you can find out exactly how tall they were, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
what colour their eyes were, and even things like the fact that | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
when they filled out the attestation form when they joined, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
they'd sign the form, so you can get their signature. It's magic | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
and of course, in a lot of cases, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
it might be the only surviving paperwork, you know, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
for somebody who lived 100 years ago or 150 years ago. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Yeah. So what's the first step | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
when looking into your family's military past? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
It depends, really, because it's different for different periods. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
For instance, the Second World War, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
most of the records have survived for the soldiers and sailors and airmen | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
but anybody who served in the military post-1921, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
only the closest surviving relative | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
-can actually search for that information. -Right. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
If the soldiers and sailors and airmen are still alive themselves, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
they can get records for free and so can their spouses, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
and I'd really urge them to do that | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
because it makes life a lot easier for family historians years later | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
if your grandad's already searched for that and got the record | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
and it's in the family. I mean, this is a typical one, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
this soldier who served in the Hussars in the Second World War. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
It tells us when he joined the Army, it tells us where he went, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
it tells us all about his promotion, what medals he was awarded, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
so a great deal of information amongst the service papers | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
that tell you all of this. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
If you want to go back to find the papers of a soldier who served before 1921, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
then their service record is available to anyone, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
not just family members. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
They can be found on various websites | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
or through the National Archives at Kew. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
The big problem, however, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:44 | |
is that many of the records were destroyed in the Blitz | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
but efforts have been made to salvage what's left. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
Amazingly, the military kept all of the burnt documents | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
so when the fire brigade went in during the Second World War | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
and put the fire out, there's these big chunks of documents | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
which were burnt along the top edge or down one side | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
-and those were all kept when the fire was put out. -Gosh. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
And in recent times, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
the National Archives have literally cut all those apart | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
and scanned them, so there's now a lot more information | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
than there was probably 10, 15 years ago | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
but it's still by no means complete. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
There's an awful lot of soldiers' records that are missing, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
but it's always worth a look because you might be lucky. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
So my great-grandfather was in World War I, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
-so can we look at his records? -We can certainly give it a try. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
Let's have a look. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
So, what was his name? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
William J Morton. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:37 | |
And do you know what the J stood for? | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
I think it was Jonah. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
Fantastic. Lovely period name. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
Morton. M-O-R-T-O-N. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
OK. Any idea what year he was born? | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
-1892. -1892. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
There we go. That's a medal index card for him. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
-Oh, my gosh! -There he is. Look. Royal Field Artillery. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
And it tells us the rank is driver, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
so he's actually driving a team of horses, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
almost certainly with an 18-pounder field gun. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
What it also tells us is the medals that he got. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
He got the 1915 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
Now, everybody got the War Medal and the Victory Medal, | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
or everybody that went overseas, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
but the Star was for the guys not quite at the start, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
they had what was called a 1914 Star | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
but the 1914/15 Star, which this is, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
was given to all of those who served in France between 23 November 1914 | 0:44:33 | 0:44:40 | |
and the last day of 1915. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
The good thing with that is that it gives us the qualifying dates, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
so basically, the date that he landed in France. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
-He might have just been a reinforcement in a small group of them. -Yeah. -On the other hand, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
there might have been a whole division that landed at the same time | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
and 18 July 1915, when you look that up, | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
what we find is that the 19th Division, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
who were called the 19th Western Division, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
they were a Kitchener army unit, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
so basically, these were wartime volunteers, not prewar regular soldiers, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
and they were established by Western command in sort of late August, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
I suppose it was September 1914, as part of Kitchener's New Army | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
and it was called Kitchener's Second New Army, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
so they already had 100,000 men join, which joined the First New Army. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
Second New Army, which this was part of, and if we look here, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
it actually says advance parties left for France on 11 July and | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
the main body crossed the English Channel | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
between 16 and 21 July 1915. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
And this here is the 88th Brigade of the Royal Field Artillery, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
which is what he was attached to. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
It's amazing, isn't it? | 0:45:44 | 0:45:45 | |
It's fascinating stuff. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
The level of detail that's revealed | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
about my great-grandfather's time in World War I is impressive. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
It goes right down to the battles his unit fought in. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
Then in 1916, this is all Battle of the Somme, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
Battle of Albert is the opening day, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
so they're in action during the Battle of Albert, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
the attacks on High Wood, Pozieres Ridge, Omkar Heights, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
so, you know, bang in the middle of the Battle of the Somme. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
In 1917, they take part in the Battle of Messines, which is a huge success, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
the first really big success of the war | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
and in 1918, which is really the forgotten year of the war, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
which is also the most successful, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
they take part in the Battles of St Quentin, Bapom, second battle of Messines, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:31 | |
right the way through at the end you know, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
the final advance to beating the Germans | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
so they're well and truly involved in all of it. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
It's amazing. You suddenly see them as human, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
as not somebody on paper, a great grandad that you've never met. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
Thank you. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
Now it's your turn to investigate your family's past. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
With so much information available, you too can appreciate | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
what your ancestors went through in the Great War. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
Finally today, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
let's return to the case of Robert Meade who died in Thailand. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
Will the Heir Hunters be able to track down any heirs here in the UK. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
Robert died on the island of Koh Samui in 2010. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
Initially, the team had virtually no information to go on. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
I have literally only got his name, Robert Ford Meade. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
I am struggling to identify anything really. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
But then they had a lucky break, when they managed to track down | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
an address for Robert in Eastbourne. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
From that address we can work out his date of birth, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:38 | |
we even had his parents names, so that little bit of information, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
you know, we can fly along. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
This address also meant it was worth the team's time | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
and effort to continue pursuing the case. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
Although he died overseas, Robert had left behind a property | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
in England which could be worth several hundred thousand pounds. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
Earlier, Gaareth put in a called to the British Embassy | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
in Thailand to see if they could fill in any gaps | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
about Robert's life. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
They passed his request on to the Foreign Office who had just | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
-called Gareth back. -Thank you for your time and calling me. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
You've been a great help. Take care, bye. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
The Foreign Office had managed to track down a second | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
cousin of Roberts. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:22 | |
Unfortunately, under UK law, second cousins are too distant to | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
inherit, so this cousin has no claim on Robert's estate. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
But she was able to help the Foreign Office with their enquiries. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
It appears the deceased spent six months in the UK | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
and six months in Thailand. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
He rented an apartment where he died in Thailand, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
he had rented the apartment for three months. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
When Robert retired in 2003, he sold the house he had | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
lived in in Hounslow and moved into his parents home in Eastbourne. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
His parents had both died by this point so Robert was alone. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:03 | |
There was nobody else in his life you know. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
No girlfriends, boyfriends, nothing. He was alone, totally alone. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:13 | |
With nothing to keep him in England, Robert decided to up sticks | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
and spend his retirement in sunnier climes. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
And from that moment forth, he spent half | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
the year in Eastbourne and half year in Koh Samui, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
an island in the Gulf of Thailand, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
renowned for its palm fringed beaches and year round sunshine. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
Robert moved to Thailand | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
because I think he thought he must enjoy his life now. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
He once wrote me a card that he's enjoying the sunshine | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
and the weather, everything in Thailand. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
As the foreign office were unable to track down any family | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
members of the closer than a second cousin, the British state fund | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
its way onto the Treasury list | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
where it was picked up by Heir Hunters. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
So far, the team have determined that Robert has no surviving | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
close kin and no surviving aunts, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
uncles or cousins on his fathers side of the family. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
They've therefore been pinning their hopes on the mothers side | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
and have enlisted the help of their agent in Scotland to | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
-help track down heirs. -A couple of Joneses. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
Researcher Simon, has also been doing some | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
investigations of his own in the office. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
I think it's the mother of the deceased family, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
Isabella Ford Finlayson. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
Just found the marriage of her parents so the | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
grandparents of the deceased I think. It's in Edinburgh, 1923. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:40 | |
Now they've found Roberts maternal grandparents, | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
James and Isabella, they can look to see whether they had any | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
children other than Robert's mother, who was also called Isabella. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
Let's try and see if we can pick up deaths for James Finlayson. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
But searching for records in the Scottish databases | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
can be problematic. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
You cant look at the actual maiden names on the births in Scotland | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
in the period we're looking, so there's plenty of births | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
that are potential aunts and uncles of the deceased, but at the moment, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
it's hard to identify them. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
The team have been assuming the heirs in this case would be | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
cousins on the maternal side of the family, so now, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
it looks like there's not much more they can do | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
but wait for their Scottish agent to get back to them. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
But suddenly, all their assumptions are blown skyhigh | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
when Alan makes a startling discovery. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
-That -could well be the deceased sister-in-law. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
He thinks he's found the widow of the deceased brother John | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
and he's also discovered something else rather intriguing. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
Living with John Andrew Mead at one point was his widow who | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
we already knew about and also Sean. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
Sean was born Sean Graham however on the electoral roll | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
he is calling himself Meade. | 0:51:58 | 0:51:59 | |
My question is, was he adopted by John Mead? If he was adopted by John Mead, then he's an heir. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:05 | |
This is potentially a very exciting development. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
It appears that John's wife was previously married to a Mr Graham | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
and they had a son, Sean, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
but at some point after John and his wife got married, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
Sean changed his surname from Graham to Mead. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
Under UK law, adopted children have the same rights of inheritance as blood children, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:27 | |
so if Sean was adopted by the deceased brother John, he would be a nephew of Robert's | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
and hence, closer kin than any aunts, uncles and cousins the team might find in Scotland. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:39 | |
Gareth's on the verge of a major breakthrough. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
At the moment, I'm not 100% sure. We don't know for definite whether Sean was adopted by John. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
If he was adopted by John, then he is an heir. If he wasn't adopted by John, then he's not an heir. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
The team really need to speak to Sean or his mother | 0:52:53 | 0:52:58 | |
to find out whether their assumptions are correct. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
They track down an address for Sean and Gareth wonders whether to send Bob Smith to go and visit him. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:07 | |
He's clearly at this address. More importantly, he's clearly not going to be at home, is he? | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
It's still fairly early in the day and Sean is likely to be at work, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:17 | |
so Gareth decides instead to call Sean's mother. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
I'm hoping that if our research is correct then your son, Sean, was adopted by yourself and John - | 0:53:21 | 0:53:27 | |
would that be correct? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:28 | |
He was officially adopted. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
This is great news. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
Sean's mother has confirmed that he WAS adopted by John Mead | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
and the couple did not have any further children. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
This means Sean is closer kin than any cousins the team might find in Scotland | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
and he is therefore the only heir to the estate of Robert Mead. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
Gareth gets straight on the phone to Bob Smith. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
Hi, Bob, how are you? | 0:53:55 | 0:53:56 | |
Can I give you a slightly different destination? The sole heir of the estate. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
OK, all right. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:01 | |
-Before you get there, though, could you give the heir a call on his mobile cos he's at work? -OK. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:08 | |
-He's expecting your call. -All right. Cheers. -Cheers, mate. -Bye. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
Bob was on his way to the register office to pick up some certificates, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
but he's used to getting diverted at a moment's notice, so he arranges to meet Sean in a local pub. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:22 | |
He will need to confirm some details with Sean to make sure the team's research is correct | 0:54:24 | 0:54:29 | |
and that he is definitely related to Robert Mead. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
-Right now, you were adopted, weren't you? -I was adopted by John. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
-What was your father's name? This would be your adopted father's name. -John Andrew Mead. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:41 | |
-Now your father's brothers and sisters, these would be your aunts and uncles... -Mm-hm. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
-Can you name them at all? -There was only Robert. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
At this stage, Bob is unable to tell Sean how much he'll be inheriting, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
but he IS able to suggest that the estate could be worth a substantial sum of money. | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
-We THINK that there may be as many as two properties... -OK. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
..one over here and then one possibly maybe in Thailand. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:09 | |
-OK, so he got about, then? -Possibly. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
Bob leaves Sean to mull over the events of the day. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
Like I say, I think it might be a day that will change your life. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
Oh, fingers crossed. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
Bob's visit has left Sean slightly overwhelmed. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
He hadn't seen Robert for many years. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
The reason we lost contact | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
with my uncle Robert was purely because back in the day, him and my father didn't really get on - | 0:55:31 | 0:55:36 | |
kind of brotherly non-love, and... | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
and I'm sure it happens in quite a few families, to be honest. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
For Bob Smith, it's a successful end to a very eventful day. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
Interviewing the sole heir to an estate, which is, it would seem, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:54 | |
to be quite a valuable estate as well, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
that's going to... like I said to him, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
"This could be a day that's going to change your life." | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
That's good. It's all good. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
Why can't it happen to me? I don't know. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
Several weeks later, Sean agrees to let the company help him make his claim to the Treasury | 0:56:13 | 0:56:19 | |
and the team receive some staggering news. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
We were hoping for a value of £200,000, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
by the end of the day, fingers crossed, we may have a value of £400,000. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
Well, the excellent news is the estimated value come in is approximately a million pounds. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:37 | |
This is an heir hunter's dream scenario - | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
estates worth this amount of money are very few and far between. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:46 | |
Sean's inheritance will however be dramatically reduced by inheritance tax, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
but the amount he receives could transform his life. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
A lot of the times we hear how unfair it is when you get adopted out of a family | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
you no longer inherit from the original blood family, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
but we've always said that you become a beneficiary to your new family. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
In this case, the heir has been adopted into the family. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
His adopted uncle has now passed away | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
and he's going to receive a truly life-changing amount of money. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
Sean's happiness at inheriting Robert's estate | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
is slightly tinged with sadness. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
On one hand, you do have this bolt out of the blue, this bonus, which is totally unexpected, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:29 | |
and will always go down nicely, but it's hard to feel overly happy at somebody's misfortune, in this case, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:36 | |
somebody passing away and not really ever being there to catch up and find out what happened with him, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:43 | |
so it's swings and roundabouts really. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
This case has taken the heir hunters from London to Edinburgh | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
to Thailand and back to the UK. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Robert Mead, a quiet, private man, who led a fairly ordinary life, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
has in death, left a huge mark in the world. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
For senior researcher Gareth, this is a case he'll remember for a long time to come. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:08 | |
This is one of my first cases managing, er... | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
and it's worth a million pounds, it's a brilliant stroke of luck. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
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