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Welcome to Heir Hunters, where we follow the search for living family | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
of people who've died without leaving a will, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
hoping to unite them with forgotten fortunes. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
Today, the heir hunters are chasing an estate with a potential value | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Their job now is to beat the competing companies | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
and be the first to find the long-lost relatives | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
who have no idea they could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Could they be coming to your door? | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
Coming up on today's programme - | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
a family so large the office takes drastic action | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
in the hunt for heirs. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Don't you think that's art? | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
The tragic story of a mysterious Ukrainian soldier | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
whose death in the UK came as a massive shock to his heirs, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
who'd thought him dead a long time ago. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
My husband told me he was shot in Hungary. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
And I'll be investigating further into how and why | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
people emigrated to the UK after the Second World War. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Europe was in a state of ruins, it was absolutely devastated. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
Whole communities had been destroyed. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed inheritance | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Could you be in line for a forgotten fortune? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Every year in the UK, over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:55 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
then any money that's left behind will go to the government. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
And last year they kept £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
But there are over 30 specialist firms | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
competing to stop this happening. They're the heir hunters. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
And they make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
It's all about finding the family and the money that is rightfully theirs. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
In our first case today, it's all hands on deck | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
as the heir hunters tackle a case of a woman from Chichester | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
who died without leaving a will. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
It's early Thursday morning in London, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
and overnight the Treasury has advertised a new list of names of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
One name in particular has caught the attention of the heir hunters, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and they've already started their research. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Do you know how to get this intranet to work? | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
-Partner Charles and case manager David Pacifico... -OK, bye-bye. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
..are some of the first in the office, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and they let everyone know the state of play. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
-We'll work Wingrove. -Yes. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
Wanting to get ahead of any other competing heir hunting companies, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
they've been hard at work for hours | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
and have already conducted a lot of basic research. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
We're looking at the case of Daisy Wingrove, who died in 2008. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
She was a spinster, so she died without ever having been married. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
We've managed to work out where Daisy used to live. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
From there, we've obviously been able to find out when she was born | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
and who her parents we think would have been. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
All this initial educated guesswork is essential | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
if they want to get ahead of the competition. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Especially if what Charles has discovered from the probate records proves correct. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
We've managed to identify that she did have two sisters, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
who have both died already. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
The last to die, died only about a year before her, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
leaving about £80,000 to the deceased. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
So the heir hunters have evidence this early in the day | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
that there could be good money in Daisy Ellen Wingrove's estate... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
-Did you know that? -No. -There you go. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
..and have already accounted for the majority of her close kin. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
Two of her sisters died leaving no children, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
but the third sister, Ivy, is an unknown quantity at this stage. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
It's a year out, but it could be the right court. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
If Daisy's sister, Ivy, is deceased, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
the team knows they'll be hunting her cousins. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
With tens of thousands of pounds potentially at stake, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
David Pacifico decides to draft in multiple travelling heir hunters. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
They will be his eyes and ears out on the road. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
Morning, Bob, David. Have you been asked to go anywhere this morning? | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
Right. In that case, we want you to go to Richmond. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Morning, Ewart. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
We need you to go to Royston on a case called Wingrove. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-Crawley. -Crawley, right, OK. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
David has sent some of the travellers | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
to collect vital paperwork from register offices | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
to help with the hunt, and to head to areas of the country | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
where the research suggests potential heirs may crop up. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
He can now get back to the important job | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
of finding out what has become of the unaccounted for sister, Ivy. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Daisy Ellen Wingrove died aged 92 in a nursing home in Chichester. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
She passed away back in 2008 and left no will and no known relatives. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
Despite spending the last few years of her life in a home, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
for most of her later years, she'd lived independently | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
with her late sister, Joan. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Their neighbour, Sheila Harrison, had known the sisters for decades, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
but knew the deceased by a different name. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
She hated the name Daisy. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
She wouldn't even recognise the name Daisy. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
It wasn't till she went into the nursing home | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
that I found out that she was called Daisy. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
Sheila had known Daisy by her middle name of Ellen. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
And over the years, as the sisters got older, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
she helped the pair out with shopping and general chores. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
It was help she didn't mind giving. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
Ellen, she was a real sweet person. She really was. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
She was an absolute sweetie and you couldn't help but like her. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
Daisy Ellen and her sister were private people. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
But over time, Sheila was told bits and pieces from their past. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
I knew there were four girls. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
I knew their mother died at a very early age. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
So I don't think it was easy for them. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
I didn't think they got any help from the family. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
They never saw any of the family any more after that. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
A family that the team's research is showing is a large one. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
Yeah, it's quite a big family. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
But their research could be in vain, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
as sister Ivy is still unaccounted for. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
And what worries David Pacifico is if they find Ivy dead, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Gareth's work into the census records | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
suggest there could be in excess of 20 aunts and uncles on this case. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Thank goodness David made the decision to send four travellers | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
out on the road. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
But first things first, they need to find out what happened to Ivy. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-So there's no death of an Ivy Maddox. -Not on our set list. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
It's all we've got. And that is just Ivy Maddox. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
Debbie has found a phone number for a potential daughter of Ivy's. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
It's very speculative, but this could be the phone call | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
that decides which way this hunt is going to go - | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
close kin or countless cousins. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
I just want to make sure we've got the right Ivy Wingrove. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
Thank you very much. Bye-bye. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Wrong Ivy. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
But it proves irrelevant anyway. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
While David was on the phone, the team made a vital discovery | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
and now know they have a huge hunt on their hands. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
We've managed to establish that Ivy probably was a sister | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
and that she's died a spinster. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
The team brace themselves for the big hunt. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
All this and it's still only 7:50 AM. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
David and Gareth inspect the tree and debate their next move. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
-We need some information on that side. -Yes. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
-I think we need the other census really, don't we? -The 1911. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
-All of them. -Yeah. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
Census records are a great tool, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
and Gareth knows they're going to need them today. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
If you've got a big family, they're having children for a long time. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
So we need to go further back. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
And the grandparents were born in 1846, 1847. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
They probably married young | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
and started having children straightaway. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
The team that are in the office | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
start to check the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
to try and find every single aunt and uncle of Daisy's | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
on both the paternal and maternal sides. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
They're coming thick and fast. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
-Yeah. Albert is... -Born in Chichester. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
On the '11 census. He's single. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
The father had eight brothers and sisters. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
We're looking at all of those at the moment. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
Charles may be laughing, but Gareth probably feels like crying. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
The family tree is more than one man can hold. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
It's still very early in the morning, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
and the rest of the company's researchers | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
have arrived in the offices. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Straightaway they're put to work, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
tackling the family trees Gareth and David have so far compiled. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
I'm working on the paternal side of the tree at the moment. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
I'm working on the maternal side. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
At the moment, I'm looking at the maternal side. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
I'm working on the paternal side. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Partner Charles has good reason to dedicate over 20 of his staff | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
to just this one case. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Through their research, the team have made a significant discovery. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
OK, bye. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
The fact that she sold her own house in 2007 for 200 grand... | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
You know, there's going to be some money left over. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
The value of the house plus the money that was left to Daisy by her sister | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
could potentially mean an estate worth hundreds of thousands. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
Oh, that's good. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
But if the team have found this out, so perhaps have the competition. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
Luckily, David has some promising leads. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Potentially we've got a couple of cousins once removed | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
on the paternal side of the family. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
It seems throwing manpower at this case is already bringing results. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Plus the team's gamble on sending four travelling heir hunters out | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
for this one estate has paid off. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
We've got Ewart going to one of the registry offices | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
to try and obtain some birth certificates for us. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
-Bob Barrett to Richmond registry office. -OK, Cheers then. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
Dave Hadley to go and see a possible heir. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
And Bob Smith, we've sent to Crawley to see a possible heir as well. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
The travelling heir hunters are some of the company's squadron of senior researchers | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
who are willing to go wherever a case takes them | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
in the hunt for heirs. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Their goal is to retrieve vital certificates and research, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
and ultimately meet face-to-face with long lost relatives | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and hopefully get them to sign up with the company. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
I've been doing this job for about 17 years now. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
A long time. But I love it, I still love it. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
In the office, the team have made remarkable progress. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
Having thoroughly scoured decades of Census records, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
they are now certain all of the paternal line of aunts and uncles are accounted for. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
Daisy's father was one of 10, and his brothers and sisters | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
are already leading the team to potential heirs. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
It's a fantastic result this early on in the day. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
But the maternal line is proving more troublesome. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
-Got three children missing. -No, it was there. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Surprisingly, they've had 16 children, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
four of which have died and 12 are still living. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
On our tree we've only got nine children, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
so we're missing three children on the top line. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
Gareth again returns to the census records. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
This time the one from 1881, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
in a bid to track down the three missing aunts and uncles | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
from Daisy's mother's line. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
Case manager David has mixed feelings about Gareth's hard work. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
What Gareth is doing, he's adding on several pages onto the maternal side. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:02 | |
You are talking well over 20 aunts and uncles. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
But I'm hoping not everybody had children. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
Unfortunately, you don't always get what you wish for. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
The descendants of the Walters keep coming. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
I'm working on the stem of Agnes Mary Young. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
She seems to have had about six children. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
With a family tree beginning to resemble a forest, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
David Pacifico makes a suggestion. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Shall we split it? | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
I've already, well... | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
The only thing is I've already spoken to people | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
on the other side of the family. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
It's now 9am, and senior case manager David Milchard, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
known in the office as Grimble, has joined the fray. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
But he's not keen on straight away | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
being lumped with the maternal line of Walters. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
It's something he and David will have to discuss further. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
We said he's got to be born after '11. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
Trying to palm me off with 16 stems! | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Later in the programme, two senior case managers | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
go head-to-head in the hunt for Daisy's heirs. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
We're not lagging behind. Oh, I can be cruel when I want! | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
It certainly looks like a big family and, hopefully, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
the heir hunters hard work will result in lots of beneficiaries. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
But if Daisy had just written a will, none of this would be necessary. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
So what exactly is a will and how do you make one? | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
In order to find out, I've come to meet solicitor, Sarah Philips. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
Why should you make a will? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
Well, it's vital that people make a will to make sure that | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
their estates, on death, go to the people that they want it to go to. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
If someone dies without a valid will in place, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
then it's the English laws of intestacy that apply. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Those rules are very strict, they have a set order of entitlement | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
and it may not be who the person would have wanted to inherit. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
The laws of intestacy look at who your surviving relatives are. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
So, spouse and children are the top of the list | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
and then it becomes parents, brothers and sisters, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
grandparents, uncles, aunts and so on. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
Both the government and the heir hunters work to the intestacy laws. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
It means that, if someone dies leaving no valid will | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
or with no known kin, then any relative that can be traced | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
from the deceased's grandparents could potentially inherit. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
In Scotland, the laws are slightly different | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
in that you can go back one more generation to great-grandparent | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
and their descendants. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
It may sound simple enough, but it isn't. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
There are common misconceptions as to how the law of intestacy might work, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
for example, married couples often think that they don't need to leave a will because the laws of intestacy | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
mean that the surviving spouse inherits the lot anyway. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
That's not the case. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
It is dependent on the value of the estate when you die | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
and other relatives that you leave behind, but it's not | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
a done deal that the surviving spouse will inherit the lot. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
It can all get very complex, but basically, if your estate | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
is of a very high value, then the money can start being | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
redistributed amongst other surviving relatives. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Parents, if they're still alive, or any children from the marriage | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
or civil partnership. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
What can go wrong if you don't get will written up properly? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
English law is very strict on what makes a valid will. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
It has to be written, so it can't be spoken. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
The document has to be signed by the person making the will in the presence of two witnesses | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
and those witnesses then also need to sign in the persons presence | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
who's made the will. If any of those formalities haven't been adhered to, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
the will is invalid, it's as if you've never made one | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and you're back to the intestacy rules applying. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
So, if it's going to be done, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
then it must be done absolutely correctly, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
but if you pay to have it done for you, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
remember the will writing industry is an unregulated one, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
so be careful. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:05 | |
And who's best placed to write a will for you? | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Obviously, if you have a family solicitor already on board, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
they're the best person to approach in the first instance. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
There are then other solicitors specialising in wills | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
and there's will writers and you can buy do-it-yourself packs | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
either of the internet or in shops. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Is it expensive to get a will drawn up? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
It doesn't have to be, it does depend on who you use. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
It depends whether you're doing it yourself | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
or whether you're using professionals. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
If you're using professionals, costs will vary regionally, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
the type of expertise that's involved and the complexity of the estate. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
I would say anywhere between £75 and over £1000. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
The important thing is to know upfront what the cost are likely to be and what it includes. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
What happens, say, if the solicitor goes bankrupt? What happens to your will? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
If solicitors go bankrupt, if they merge or are taken over, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
the wills that they hold will go to, usually, another firm. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
It's good practice for that other firm to contact everyone and let them know that they hold the wills, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
but often that's not done so you can see how wills often get lost in the system. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
-Is there some kind of database now? -There is, there is. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
People can lodge their original wills with the probate service in London. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
So that's lodging the original will there and they'll keep a record of it. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
-And then it's not lost. -It's not lost, it's there for ever, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
no matter what happens to, first of all, the individual | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
and also the people who drew up the will in the first place. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
And what can you put in your will? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
The main objective of a will is to set out exactly who gets what, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
how and when. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
It might be that the will has provisions to deal with | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
items of personal property, so jewellery, furniture, paintings. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
It might specify cash gifts to people or charities. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
And then it will deal with the bulk of the estate. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
Besides that, it will name executors, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
they're the people who are going to do the legwork after your death | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
and look after the estate | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
and divvy it up in accordance with the terms of the will. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
The will can also include funeral wishes | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
and also appoint guardians. So if you were to die whilst | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
any children are under the age of 18, the people who would look after them. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
-Thank you. So very important to write a will. -Vital. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
If you would like any more information about wills, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
go to our website at bbc.co.uk. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Here is another good reason to write a will. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year and millions of pounds | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
are paid out to rightful heirs, but not every case can be cracked. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
The Treasury has a database of over 2,000 names | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
which have baffled the heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
This is known as the Bona Vacantia list. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Bona Vacantia is the Latin term for ownerless property. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
We deal with two types. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
We deal with the property of now dissolved companies. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
But in this context, we also deal with the estates of those | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
who die without a valid will or anyone entitled to inherit. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
This could be money with your name on it. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Money raised through Bona Vacantia ultimately goes to | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
the General Exchequer to benefit the country as a whole. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
It is important to remember that the Crown does not want to grab | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
all the estates it possibly can. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
It's keen for kin to be found and for people to make wills. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
That is the way to stop property becoming Bona Vacantia. Make a will. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
Do these names mean anything to you? Are they a relative of yours? | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Her middle name of Sexton is usually a surname. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
Is it possible it was her mother's maiden name? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
Did you know Ellie? Was she a friend or neighbour of yours? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Or did you know George Barry Pizzy | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
who died in 1999 in Middlesex? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
Pizzy is an extremely rare surname in the UK. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Can you help solve this case? Are you George's heir? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
Or finally, Gladys Frogley. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
She died in November 2001 in Kingston upon Thames. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
Gladys was born in 1900, meaning she reached the age of 101. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
So far, all efforts to trace Gladys's heirs have failed. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Someone out there must remember her. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
Don't forget. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Distant relatives can't inherit | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
and the value of any given estate is top secret. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
We never release details | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
of the estate or anything about the deceased | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
until a claim has been admitted | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
and we will only then release it | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
to the person whose claim we have admitted. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
A reminder of those names again. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
Ellie Barling. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
George Percy. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
Gladys Frogley. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
If any of the names on today's list are relatives of yours, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Next, the unsolved case of a man who died in Nottingham | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
reveals a story that crosses international borders | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
and that goes to the heart of war-torn Europe. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Every Thursday morning, the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
is advertised to the heir hunting companies. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
They scramble to be the first to find the beneficiaries to an estate. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
But despite the initial rush, some cases baffle the researchers | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
and sit unclaimed for years. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Mykola Lotocky died aged 76 in January 1992. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:47 | |
He passed away in Mansfield, leaving no will | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
and no known relatives to inherit his £63,000 estate. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Mykola was Ukrainian by birth | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
and according to neighbour Duncan Gellert, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
he was a friendly but private man who he knew by a different name. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
Mickey...he couldn't speak very good English. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
Every time we used to see him, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
"Hail, comrade!" You know? And he would... | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
I never got into deep conversation with him, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
but as far as I know, he kept himself to himself. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Mykola's language barrier may have cost his private nature. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
But he was just one of many Ukrainians | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
who settled in the area after the Second World War. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
The majority of them that was around here | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
was decent, hard-working chaps. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
They were a credit to t'community. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Mykola Lotocky passed away in a community that respected him, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
but did not really know him and his private lifestyle | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
meant people were at a loss to find his relatives after his death. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
His £63,000 estate was advertised on the Treasury's list, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
but sat there for years. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
His Ukrainian roots made it an extremely complex case | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
for the heir hunters to solve. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
That is until Hector Birchwood from Celtic Research got involved. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
We have a very good agent in the Ukraine | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
and I felt that this case just needed | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
an extra push in order to get it resolved. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
Hector's first push | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
was to look at the details on Mykola's death certificate - | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
the best starting point for any heir hunt. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Once we had his death, we knew his age | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and so we started to look for marriages | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
about the time at which he ought to be marrying. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
We were not able to find anything for him. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
So we also looked at births that could potentially be | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
legitimate births, he doesn't have to marry to have children. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
But we could not find any. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
According to the records, Mykola had led the life of a bachelor. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
All we knew from his death certificate | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
was that the deceased was a coalminer. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
After the Second World War, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Britain was suffering a labour shortage | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
and there was work for immigrants like Mykola in heavy industry. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
And, in his case, down the coal mines. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
It would have been hard graft, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
working up to 1,000 feet underground. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
Dr Ivor Brown, a coalmining expert, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
can recall his own days down the pits. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
They would have been very similar to Mykola's. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
We had to get down in the pit in our own time. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
That is, if you were due to start at seven o'clock, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
if you were not there at seven, there was no work for you. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
When you got down the pit, you then had to walk to your place of work | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
which could be three quarters of an hour journey away. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
It was a tough job. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
But the pay could be very good | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
and the migrant work ethic impressed the locals. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
The eastern Europeans were excellent workers. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
They often learned English very quickly | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
and they were generally well accepted. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
They didn't always stay long. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
They did often five or ten years | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
and then they moved off to other jobs, or even back home. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
But Mykola stayed in the UK. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
It was now Hector who was heading back to the Ukraine | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
in the hunt for his heirs. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
The first step after having done the research here in the UK | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
is to identify his baptismal record. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
For that, we needed our agent in the Ukraine to locate it. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
Which their agent promptly did. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
It came back to the UK with a sting in the tail for Hector. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
The deceased was born illegitimately. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
So although we expected his name Lotocky or Lotoski | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
to be the name of his father, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
it's actually the name of his mother. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
His father was not listed on the birth certificate. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
With Mykola having been born out of wedlock, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
Hector's search for his heirs didn't look promising. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
In the UK, this means the heir hunters | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
can only look into the mother's side of the family. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
But the laws of the Ukraine are very different. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
According to a very obscure point in Ukrainian law, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
it's called article number 135, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
where a woman is not married, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
she must put down a masculine version | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
of her maiden name under the father's surname. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
And Lotocky was that masculinised version | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
of his mother's maiden name Lotocka. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
But that was not the end of it. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
According to article 135, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
an element of the father's first name | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
should also be included in the illegitimate child's name. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
In this case, Mykola's full name was Mykola Ilkovych Lotocky. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
This inferred that there would be | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
somebody by the name of Ilko as his father. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Hector then discovered Mykola's mother had married | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
an Ilko Mykolaiovych Kisil six years after his birth. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
For Hector, the father's first names | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
were too similar to Mykola's to be just a coincidence. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Using details on the marriage certificate, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
he furthered his research | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
and found three children born to Ilko and Paraskovia. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
At that point, we realised that, at the very least, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
they are half-brothers and half-sisters of the deceased. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
Hector had a lead and ran with it. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
He now got stuck into tracking the siblings down. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
In the early 20th-century, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
Mykola and his family lived in western Ukraine | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
during an extremely turbulent time in the country's yesterday. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
From the year he was born, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
Mykola's homeland was a constantly changing entity. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
At the time of his birth, the land that he was born on | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
was under Austro-Hungarian rule. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
By the time he had reached the age of three, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
that land then became part of Poland | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
and was under Polish rule from 1918 to 1939. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
Mykola and his family lived in the west of the country, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
but those living in the east came under the Soviet Union. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
During the emerging decades of the 20th century, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
they were victims of Stalin's brutal campaign | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
to keep the Soviet Union together | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
by crushing the Ukrainian people's call for independence. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
There were three man-made famines | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
inflicted on the Ukrainian people by Stalin. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Collectively called the Holodomor. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
The literal translation is death by hunger. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
The worst one of the three was between 1932 to 1933. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
Under this campaign, whole villages were ordered | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
to give all their food and crops away to the government. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
People were then forcibly starved to death, to hand over their foodstuffs. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:37 | |
And there are various estimates | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
of the number of people that were killed in the Soviet Union | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
during the 1920s, during the 1930s. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
It was quite literally in the millions. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
The Holodomor, now considered an act of genocide, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
is estimated to have starved to death more than 7.5 million people. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
It was an experience | 0:31:57 | 0:31:58 | |
that would shape Mykola and his family's lives for ever. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
Later in the programme, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
Mykola's life in the UK is a revelation to his surviving family. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
My husband saw him being shot in Hungary. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
Here are some more unsolved cases where heirs still need to be found. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
The list of unclaimed estates | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
is money that is owed to members of the public. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
New names are added all the time. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
The Bona Vacantia unclaimed list | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
is a list of cases that we have not found kin for. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
The list goes back to 1997 | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
because that's when our case management system came online. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
The idea is to produce a list of all those cases. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
There should be at least a few thousand there, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
possibly many thousands. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
There is no plan to change the lists going forward in a major way. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
But we continue to review what we do. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
It is something that is going to be there for the foreseeable future | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
and hopefully reduce in numbers as further kin are found. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
And this is money that you could be entitled to. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Monies raised through Bona Vacantia | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
ultimately go to the General Exchequer | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
to benefit the country as a whole. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
But it is important to note | 0:33:21 | 0:33:22 | |
that the Crown does not want all estates at all costs. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
That is not how it operates. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
It wants kin to be found and that is what we work very hard to do. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
Let's look at some of the estates from the unclaimed list. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
Do these names mean anything to you? Are they a relative of yours? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
Anthony Waite died in Croyden in March 2007. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
The name Waite derives from a lookout of a castle or fortress. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Was Anthony a member of your family? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Could you be an heir entitled to his estate? | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Maria Rosa Gomez Lopez died | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
in Sydenham, South London on 13 May 2008. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Lopez is one of the most popular surnames in the Spanish peninsula | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and South America. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
It may be a clue to Maria's origins. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Were you a friend or neighbour of Maria's? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Did she ever talk to you about her background or any living family? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
John Joseph Duffy died on 29 April 1997 in Bognor Regis. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:27 | |
I've got John's death certificate here | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
which contains more information about him. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
It shows that he was born on 9th March 1909 in Glasgow. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
Was there a John Duffy in your family with that same date of birth? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
The death certificate also shows that John was a clerk. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
Did you work with him years ago, can you help solve this case? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
If you think you can prove you are related to any of the names today, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
you could have a fortune waiting for you. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
If people want further information about Bona Vacantia | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
and what we do, the first port of call would be our website | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
which has information about who is an entitled relative, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
how to put in a claim, how we deal with estates and things like that. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
A reminder of those names again. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Anthony Waite. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
Maria Gomez Lopez. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
And John Duffy. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
If today's names are relatives of yours, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Let's return to the hunt for heirs to the estate of Daisy Wingrove. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
Daisy died in September 2008, aged 92. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
Leaving no will and no known relatives, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
her estate ended up on the Treasury's list. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
She spent her elderly years | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
living in Chichester with her late sister Joan. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Her friend and neighbour Sheila got to know Daisy over the years. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
I like to think back when we used to walk out in her garden, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
potter in her garden. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Me there, making sure she is all right down the steps. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
And when we would have something to laugh about. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
It was always nice to go up in the home. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
Both Daisy and her sister Joan | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
spent the final few years of their lives in a nursing home. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
Joan died a year before Daisy. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
She thought the world of Joan. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
They had always been together and now she was on her own. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
And she was absolutely devastated. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
have picked up Daisy's estate from the list. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
Very early on, they knew her case had value from a house sale | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
and inheritance. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
Wanting to beat competing companies to the long-lost relatives, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
Charles has thrown everything at the hunt. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
We've got 20-odd people in the office working on it. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
And throwing such resources at the case is paying off. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
They found early on that Daisy's three sisters had all died | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
leaving no children. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
And this meant looking for cousins and cousins once removed. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
The team has now accounted for all nine of the Wingrove family's | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
aunts and uncles. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
This has already led them to finding heirs on the father's side. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
The maternal line of Walters has proved trickier, but the team | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
has now confirmed all 12 aunts and uncles that may have produced heirs. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
Case manager David Pacifico has made an executive decision. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
He and Grimble will split the tree, but neither is keen to take | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
the maternal side with its 12 aunts and uncles. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
Grimble and David come to an agreement. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
-Can you walk around there? -But it's an agreement that favours Grimble. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
Look at this! Don't you think that's art? Look! Art! | 0:37:57 | 0:38:03 | |
He's ended up with the smaller paternal family. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
It's a family that has already produced heirs. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
And the travellers are already | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
out on the road on their way to meet them. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Just about to go into the tunnel. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
In the office, David is coming to terms with the arrangement. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
In all fairness, he's volunteered to take the larger side of the family. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
At the moment, we don't have any heirs on that side, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
but I'm hoping we might do soon. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
And David doesn't have to wait long. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
Gareth's hard work is paying dividends. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
The maternal side, the Walters side, we have now got | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
an address of somebody that may not be entitled if his mother | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
is still alive, but there's still a lot of work to do on this side. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
But the team are doing it and pass David their latest leads. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:57 | |
I'm going to go and make a couple of phone calls. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
It's a good sign when the case managers start heading upstairs. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
It means there's potential heirs to call and arrange meetings with. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
Maybe David stands a chance of catching up with Grimble after all. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
-Hello, Tone. -Hello, Dave. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
Some in the office are having it easier than others, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
and partner Neil has arrived into work, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
glad his cousin Charles is having to finish this case off. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
It's been a frantic morning, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
with research happening all over the place. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
We've identified it's got value. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
I expect a lot of other people will be able to identify it's got value, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
so it's going to be a competitive case, so we want to be there first. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
And the travelling heir hunters are key to that happening. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
Bob Smith, Dave Hadley and Bob Barrett are all on their way | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
to meetings with heirs on the paternal line Grimble is working. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
Things are falling into place nicely for a relaxed Grimble. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
Speak to you later. Goodbye. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:02 | |
David Pacifico is keen to discover how all of the hard work | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
he put in on Daisy's father's side of the tree | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
is paying off for Grimble. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
Are you finished all your work on the paternal side then? | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Almost finished, David. We're not lagging behind. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
We're not trying to palm off any of our work | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
to anybody else in the company. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
I volunteered to have that side of the case. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
I could've easily have said, "Look, Grimble, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
"I've already spoken to people on the paternal side, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
"it makes more sense for you to take the maternal side." | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
-Did I say that? No, I didn't. -Oh, I can be cruel when I want! | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
And to add insult to David Pacifico's injury, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
Bob Barrett has made it to a paternal heir's house. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
Yvonne Collins is a cousin once removed whose grandmother Nelly | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
was Daisy's aunt. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
She was one of nine. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
Yeah, we were trying to work out this the other day. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
Bob goes through what he knows with Yvonne, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
and after the meeting, gives the cheerful Grimble a call. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
She's signed an agreement on her own behalf | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
and on behalf of her late brother. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
That's marvellous. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
-Good news. -OK, bye now. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
Cheers, goodbye. Ah, Mr Bob Barrett has done it again! | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
Bob Barrett is on fire. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
As quickly as Grimble is contacting heirs, Bob is meeting up with them. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
-Hello, Mr Whittingham? -Yes. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Robert Whittingham is another descendant of Daisy's aunt Nelly. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
Whereabouts were you born? | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
-Grandmother Nelly or Ellen... -Yes. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
..was one of nine, we believe. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
And the paternal heirs keep coming. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Traveller Bob Smith has just arrived at his meeting. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
Well, this is very nice. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
He's meeting Bob Bevan, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:47 | |
a cousin once removed through Daisy's paternal aunt, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
Rosa Wingrove. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
OK, what was your father's name? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
Bob Smith gets down to business. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
Bob Barrett has wrapped his up. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
The news comes as a big relief to Grimble. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
-He's signed an agreement with us. -Oh, good. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
I'm glad about that, because I can now run off and go for a wee wee. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
But he'd better not take too long, as downstairs, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
David Pacifico and Gareth are finally making some headway. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
We've got quite a few names to play with | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
and we've got a current address on two of those stems. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
David is fighting back. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
He puts his decades of experience to good use | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and passes the addresses straight to his travellers. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
-It's time for Ewart Lindsay to get in on the action. -Thanks, yeah. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
Bye, bye. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
With Ewart hot-footing it to one Walters heir, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
David Pacifico has got Dave Hadley to go to another. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
Mrs Davy? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
Barbara Davy is a cousin of Daisy's through her uncle Arthur Walters. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
Dave gets down to business. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Meanwhile, Ewart is just beginning his. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
Hello, hi, how are you? | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
-Goodbye. -Back with Dave Hadley, and he's a happy man. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
She signed the agreement, I'm pleased to say, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
so it's a job well done, so it's on to the next one now. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
Another agreement for David Pacifico's team. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
Ewart brings heir, Lynne Burling, up to speed on what they know. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
Lynne is happy to sign an agreement with the company. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
She's an amateur genealogist | 0:43:22 | 0:43:23 | |
and this addition to her knowledge about her family tree is priceless. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
I'm hoping that they'll let me | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
have copies of all of the documents that they've taken, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
or gathered themselves, so that I can add to my records. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
It's just, I'm not even thinking about the money! Honestly! | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
It's just come out of the blue this! So it's just so exciting! | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
As exciting as the hot competition between the two case managers. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
Despite Dave Hadley meeting | 0:43:53 | 0:43:54 | |
and signing yet another heir on the maternal line, in the office, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
partner Neil knows which horse crossed the line first. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:03 | |
It looks as though David Milchard has beaten David Pacifico | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
quite hands down today. He certainly had the agreements first. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
And the side of the family looks pretty well wrapped up, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
and until we get the certificates back, then, it's looking fairly good. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:23 | |
Grimble had a family of nine to trace the heirs to, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
with a lot of work already done. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
And David Pacifico had to track the heirs from an un-researched | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
family of 12. And a family tree of about 12 foot. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
That'll teach you a lesson, trying to fob it off on me! | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
Did I fob it off to you? | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
I volunteered to have this side of the case. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
In the end, the estate was worth a lot less than the initial estimate. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
But the team have shown they can handle such a large case. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:57 | |
-Thank you very much, goodbye. -Take care, goodbye. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
I'm now looking forward to going home. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
None more so than an exhausted, but exhilarated David Pacifico. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:08 | |
It may have been a day of head-to-head | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
competition with Grimble, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:12 | |
but everything these guys do is for the greater good of the company. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
At the end of the day, you know, we're sort of the same team | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
and importantly, we have now come up with agreements, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
so we have ended the day even, I think. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
And partner Neil couldn't be happier with his team. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
We've worked it very, very hard. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
The reason we had to work it very, very hard | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
is because of the size of the family. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
The family is absolutely huge. Certainly at top-level line. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
That's whittled down to not as many heirs | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
as it possibly looked like first thing this morning. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
I think some of the guys were probably | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
saying 50 to 100 beneficiaries. We'll probably have 50, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
but I don't think we'll get near the 100 beneficiaries stage. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
But it's got value, it's been a good day. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
Finally, we return to the story of Ukrainian exile Mykola Lotocky. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:11 | |
After the war, Mykola was forced to flee his homeland | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
and ended up in the UK. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:15 | |
Unfortunately, Mykola's story was not unusual. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
Millions of people were displaced by the upheavals of World War II. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
I am meeting Professor Brad Blitz from Kingston University, London, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:30 | |
who can tell me about how the conflict changed | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
the face of modern Britain, | 0:46:32 | 0:46:33 | |
but also how it turned millions of people's lives upside down. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
What state was Europe in immediately after World War II? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
Well, Europe was in a state of ruins. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
It was absolutely devastated, whole communities had been destroyed. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
Europe was of course divided very much between the Allies and the | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
Soviets, so there was a line coming down, the Iron Curtain as we know it, | 0:46:54 | 0:47:00 | |
and as a result of that, there were many population transfers that | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
took place after the war and at the same time, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
you had whole groups of people who could not be returned. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
How many people were made homeless after the war? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
There were about 40 million refugees, but in addition to refugees, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
there were massive population transfers | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
that took place after the war. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
There were ethnic Germans that were kicked out of Czechoslovakia | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
and other countries. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
In addition, you had East Europeans that were fleeing, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
fearing retaliation, perhaps retaliation for having | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
colluded with the Nazis, fleeing westwards, and so you had large | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
numbers of people who simply did not have homes to go to. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
Many of the homeless Europeans ended up in what was known as | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
displaced persons camps. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
These were often former concentration camps which | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
because they had the infrastructure, because the Allies were there | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
and because, above all, people were there, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
they became the displaced persons camps where the Red Cross | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
operated and where people were protected. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
And what is interesting is that even though these had been | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
sites of brutality, after the war, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
they also became sites of renewed communities so you had, for example, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
in displaced persons camps, you had the highest birth-rate in Europe. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
Millions of people who were there, they re-established families, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
people got married, they had babies and so life began again. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
It's fascinating because you never hear about that side of the camps | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
and what happened afterwards. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:37 | |
It was during this post-war period with | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
so many European refugees displaced that the population | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
and politics of Britain in Europe was about to change for ever. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
The United Nations as we know it now was very much born | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
out of the experiences of the Second World War. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
Refugee policy in particular. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
Because before 1951, when the Refugee Convention was established, | 0:48:55 | 0:49:01 | |
refugee policy was very much about returning people to their homes, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
about repatriating them, often against their will and afterwards, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:10 | |
there was this greater recognition that refugees needed protection from | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
persecution and they needed to be integrated into their host countries. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
And where did they find themselves? | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
The United Kingdom had taken in about 70,000 Jewish refugees, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
including 10,000 children on the Kindertransport, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
and so some Jews were able to reunite with their families. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
In addition, Britain took in a further...over 200,000 Poles | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
who were welcomed as war heroes for having worked alongside | 0:49:36 | 0:49:41 | |
the British, in fact under the British Army, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
against the Nazis and also in opposition to the Soviets, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
and they worked in the mines, they worked in heavy industry. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
In terms of the Jews, they settled here and took up professions | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
and occupations as other people. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
After the Second World War, Poland became a communist country. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
This led the British government | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
to create its first ever mass immigration law. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
The Polish Resettlement Act came into force in 1947. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
As we know from Mykola's story, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
it wasn't just the Poles who came here. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
Other Eastern European refugees settled | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
and slowly but surely became part of the modern fabric of Britain. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:26 | |
How did the public first react to this influx of people? | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
There is a tremendous shortage of labour after the war | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
so, overall, they were welcomed, especially those who were able | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
to work in the mines and help restart British industry. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
-So how did this affect Britain in the long-term? -It was massive. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
It was absolutely central to the development of multicultural | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
Britain as we know it today. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:50 | |
So, for example, you had Poles who had arrived in the 1940s who | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
paved the way for new generations of Poles during parts | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
of the Cold War, but especially over the last decade. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
So the 500,000 plus Poles who are here today, their existence is very | 0:51:03 | 0:51:10 | |
much central to the history of those who had migrated decades beforehand. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:16 | |
Since the end of the Second World War, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
our country's ethnic diversity has changed dramatically and the most | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
recent movement of Polish people into Britain is just the latest | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
phase in a long and rich history of immigration into the British Isles. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
It is a history that has enriched our country | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
and culture beyond measure. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
The heir hunters are doing everything they can to | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
track down the rightful beneficiaries of Mykola Lotocky's estate. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
Mykola died in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
without leaving a will and with no known relatives. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
According to his neighbour, Duncan Gillett, | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
he led a very solitary life. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
I never got into deep conversation with him, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
but as far as I know, he kept himself to himself. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
Ukrainian-born Mykola was 76 years old when he passed away in 1992. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:14 | |
And his £63,000 estate was advertised on the Treasury's list. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:20 | |
But because the heir hunt needed to go all the way back to the Ukraine, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
for years it proved too tough a nut to crack for the heir hunters. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
This is until Hector Birchwood from Celtic Research | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
took up the estate. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
This case just really needed an extra push in order to get it resolved. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
Despite Mykola being registered | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
as an illegitimate birth in the Ukraine, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
his mother went on to marry six years later | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
and have a further three children. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
Hector couldn't be 100% certain but there was a chance | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
the father of these children, Ilko Kisil, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
was also the father of Mykola. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
Well, once we had located the names of potential brothers and sisters, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
really, the next step is to see if they are still alive or not. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:09 | |
And hopefully, they may be alive, and if they're not alive, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
then we looked for marriages and then look for potential children. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
Using a Ukrainian agent to help with his hunt, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
Hector researched further into a brother and sister | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
who had stayed in the Ukraine. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
The team found the sister alive | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
and she was now an heir to Mykola's £63,000 estate. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
The brother had died but left two surviving children. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
These were Mykola's second and third heirs. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
But Hector's hunt was far from over. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
There was, however, also a third brother. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
And we didn't know where he was | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
because he no longer resided in the Ukraine. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
Hector moved his research on and discovered his hunt | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
would now bring him back to the UK. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
Using the recognisable surname of Kisil, he found his man. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
But there was a big shock in store. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
What we found was that his brother Teodor had settled | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
here in the United Kingdom in Leicester, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
only a few miles from where the deceased died in Mansfield. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
He married in the 1950s to Gratzia Cicatiello, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:23 | |
and he died some nine years after the deceased, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
not knowing that, actually, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
his brother was only living a few miles apart. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
It was a mystery Hector could only wonder at, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
as according to the Ukrainian family, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
the brothers had always been close. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
Mykola and Teodor had even gone away to war together | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
to fight for the Germans against Stalin. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
Mykola and Teodor had seen their fellow countrymen | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
being starved to death in the millions by Stalin's Soviet regime. | 0:54:55 | 0:55:01 | |
So it's no wonder they may have been willing | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
to take up arms against the Red Army. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
After the war had ended, people who were conscripted by the Nazis | 0:55:07 | 0:55:12 | |
found themselves in Germany in displaced persons camps. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
They had the option of whether to go back home or to stay in the West. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:22 | |
People that fought in German and Polish uniform settled in this country | 0:55:22 | 0:55:27 | |
and Mykola and Teodor were obviously two people | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
that fitted that category. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
So, both brothers came to the UK unbeknown to each other. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
And, seemingly, never tried to make contact again. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
Unfortunately, this tragic separation was all too common. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:46 | |
Mykola, like many Ukrainians, would not have contacted his family, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
simply because he feared for their lives. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
He knew that if he got in touch with his family, | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
that the Soviets may view him as an enemy of the state | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
and that his family could suffer as a consequence. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
With this hanging over him, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
it's no wonder Mykola chose to live a solitary life in the UK. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
Never being able to discover what had happened to his brother | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
or family back in the Ukraine. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
It's a tragic life story | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
and especially sad for Mykola's surviving heir in the UK - | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
an heir Hector was now contacting. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
He put in a call to Mykola's brother Teodor's wife | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
who would now also inherit. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
As Teodor had died after Mykola, | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
he had what is known as a vested interest. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
This means his widow Gratzia is considered the next of kin. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
But Hector's news about Mykola's close whereabouts in the UK | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
wasn't her biggest shock. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
For me, it was really confusing. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
My husband saw him being shot in Hungary. | 0:56:55 | 0:57:01 | |
Teodor had spent his adult life | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
believing his older brother was dead. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
He'd been convinced he'd seen him shot | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
on the battlefield in Hungary in 1944. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
The whole family had been convinced of Mykola's death, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
even erecting a headstone for him | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
above an empty grave back in the Ukraine. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
We went to visit the grave | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
and I also made a photograph of some of them. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
You'd never think that he had survived, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:35 | |
and it really was a big surprise for me. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
A sort of a mystery. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
Mykola's decision to leave the past behind is understandable, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
given the circumstances. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
But it's still a bitter blow for the surviving family, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
now knowing he'd lived just 50 miles away for all of that time. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
For Gratzia, Mykola's lonely existence in the UK is a sad memory | 0:57:58 | 0:58:04 | |
and despite being an heir to his £63,000 estate, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
she knows what she and her late husband would rather have had. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
I would have loved to know what sort of person he was, | 0:58:12 | 0:58:17 | |
instead of money. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
Mykola Lotocky's estate will be divided up between the four heirs | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
Hector Birchwood discovered from the Ukraine to the UK. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
But it's going to four people who would have preferred to have | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 | |
known the whereabouts decades earlier of the long-lost Mykola. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:35 | |
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