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Every Thursday morning across the UK, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
heir-hunting companies scan the Treasury's list of recent unclaimed estates. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Today, the heir hunters are chasing a name on the list | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
but they have no idea what it could be worth. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Their job now is to find the long-lost relatives | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
who could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
First one's council, second one no address, third one's the same. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
On today's programme - the heir hunters take a gamble | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
on a name from the list and end up getting a pleasant surprise. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
We've worked a case that doesn't appear to have any value | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
and there IS value. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
After a mysterious aunt dies in London, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
her relatives are at a loss to explain her whereabouts for over 50 years. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
My head was reeling with where had Evelyn been, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
where's the rest of the family, what's going on? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
And how YOU could be entitled to unclaimed inheritance | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
Could you be in line for a cash payout? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:40 | |
then any money that's left behind will go to the Government. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
Every year, they make £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
But there are over 30 specialist firms | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
They're the heir hunters and they make it their business | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
to track down missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
We do put people back in contact or give them information | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
about family that they didn't know about. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
It's early Thursday morning in London, and overnight, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
the Treasury has advertised a new list of names of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
The staff at heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
are getting set for another day of tracking down heirs. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
The sun may be shining outside, but inside the office | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
dark clouds are forming. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
Partner Neil is scanning the Treasury's list | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
for names for the team to chase but nothing is jumping out at him. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
First one's council, second one no address, third one's the same. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
There are only a small number of names on the list | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
and Neil's first impressions indicate that none of them seemed to have any great value. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
Despite this, the heir hunters still have to hunt, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
so Neil picks a name for one of his teams. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Got a new case - Betty Zena Littlewood. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
Dies in Fulham, I think we found her an address in Shepherd's Bush. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
All indication is that it's not going to be a valuable estate. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
Case manager Dave Slee is handed Betty's case. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
With over 30 years' experience under his belt, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
Dave is more than happy to take a gamble. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
Betty Zena Littlewood. Let's hope we've won the pools on this one. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
Dave may be positive but as the team discuss Betty's address, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
the signs aren't good. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
In general, properties make up the bulk of an estate's worth, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
so where someone lived is a good indication of a case's value. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
It looks like it's a street full of shop premises. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Estate agents... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
It's 158 flats on it at least. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Betty Zena Littlewood died in December 2010 in London. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
She was 82 years old. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
She'd lived with her mother in the same block of flats in west London | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
since the end of the Second World War. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Her friend Esther Royle has fond memories of Betty. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
She was a very gentle person and she was always very grateful, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
you know what I mean? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
She really was. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
In her old age, Betty was still active | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
and had volunteered for over 10 years with her local Age Concern, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
helping those less able than herself. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
If she could help them in doing things, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
I mean, in writing a letter for them or something like that, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
she would be there to do it. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
She would do it and do it in a lovely way. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
The search for Betty's heirs is under way. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
Case manager Dave is keen to get a running start over any competition. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
And puts in a call to a travelling heir hunter. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I'll talk to Bob Barrett. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
Let's have a word with him, let him know what's going on. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Travelling heir hunter Bob Barrett is poised ready to go | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
wherever the office needs him. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Bob is one of the company's squadron of senior researchers | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
who are willing to go wherever a case takes them in the hunt for heirs. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
We got this address of 29 the Grampian, Shepherd's Bush Road. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
I think the death certificate's paramount. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
OK, I'll go there first, then. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Bob heads straight to Fulham Register Office | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
to collect Betty's death certificate. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
The certificate will list the informant on her death | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
and they potentially could be Betty's relative. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Back in the office, Dave has made contact | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
with a neighbour in the Grampians who knew Betty. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
The new information he's gleaned is making him even more positive about the case. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
What I like about it is that the deceased has, for a number of years, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
lived with her mother in rented accommodation since the war. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
That would be on a protected rent | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
and the fact that the deceased worked, one would hope | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
and as the neighbours said didn't drive fast, flashy cars, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
one's got to assume that there may be some savings. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Based on that, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
I think it's certainly worthwhile going ahead with this estate. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
The neighbour also gave the team the name of Betty's mother, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
a Rose Littlewood, who according to the neighbour, never married. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
The fact Betty shares her mother's maiden name leaves researcher Simon | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
to suspect Betty could have been an illegitimate child. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Her mother had her when she was around 34, I believe. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
Usually, what I find when I do the research is that | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
when there's an illegitimate child born, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
it's when the mother's a bit younger than 34. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
There's a chance that there may be another one somewhere. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
Researcher Simon knuckles down to the job in hand | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
to try and determine 100% | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
that Betty was the only illegitimate child of Rose Littlewood. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
He also investigates the 1911 census | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
using Rose's maiden name of Littlewood | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
to try to trace any potential siblings | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
that would be uncles and aunts of Betty's. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
He's found a couple of possibilities. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
The problem is it hasn't helped in his hunt for heirs. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
There's currently not really any stems that are | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
looking particularly promising for finding an heir. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
So far, the team believes that Betty's mother Rose | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
had two siblings - a brother and sister. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
So far, these stems have led nowhere. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
In order to find heirs, the office must widen their search | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
in order to find potential aunts and uncles of Betty's, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
as these could lead to cousins that could still be alive. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
Out on the road, Bob Barrett has arrived at Fulham Register Office | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
and he's got his hands on Betty's death certificate. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
-Hello. -Bob Barrett. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Betty Littlewood, 31st December, 2010, Charing Cross Hospital. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
-Born 28th December, 1928 in England. -That's right. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
In fact, it all ties in that her mother lived with her | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
so we've got that up-to-date | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
but I'd really like if you could come on board on this. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
No problem, speak to you later. Cheers, Dave. Bye now. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
Unfortunately, the death certificate hasn't helped move the hunt for heirs forward | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
as the informant on Betty's death wasn't a relatives | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
It does still confirm the information | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
the heir hunters have been working with so far. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
As he's in west London already, Dave asks Bob to head | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
to Betty's old address in Shepherd's Bush to make some inquiries. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Cheers, bye. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
See if I can make any sort of assessment | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
as to whether there's any value in the estate and talk to neighbours | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
and see whether they know anything about the deceased. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
But back in the office, Dave is now one step ahead of Bob. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
He's managed to make contact with another neighbour of Betty's. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
Did Betty own her own property? ..No. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
Talking to the neighbour has confirmed | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
a lot of what Dave already suspected, that Betty didn't own her own property. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
She had protected rent | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
and she'd lived unmarried with her mother for most of her life. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Dave stops Bob Barrett in his tracks. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
I don't think it's worth doing the inquiry now. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
-OK, I won't bother then. -Lovely, thanks. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Right, so now I don't know where I'm going. Or who for. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
Bob may be frustrated with the state of play, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
but back in the office, things have taken a positive turn. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
Researcher Emily has found a Littlewood family tree | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
on a genealogy website. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
This is the break the team needed. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
It looks like they found more of Betty's aunts. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
Dorothy May. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
-Born 1st August, 1904. -Yeah, that'll do. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
According to the online family tree, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
the team now thinks Betty's mother Rose Littlewood | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
had yet more brothers and sisters. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
The newly-discovered tree has advanced the heir hunt | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
in a very short space of time and has confirmed with Simon | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
that his research into the census records has been correct. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
He now has the names of Betty's grandparents. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
The 1911 census does say that they have eight children, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
eight still alive, and this would be the eighth | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
so I don't see any reason why it would be wrong. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
So in 1911, Betty's mother Rose was one of eight children | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
listed in the census as being alive at that time. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
Simon now combines the online family tree with the census. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
The team now believe that of Rose's seven siblings, four have died | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
and that two of her cousins have also passed away. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Despite not having absolute proof at this stage, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
they suspect all of Betty's aunts and uncles are no longer living | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
so the hunt has to now move on to her other cousins | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
and it looks like Betty's Aunt Dorothy had one son called Stuart. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:34 | |
What have we got for Stuart? Nothing at all. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
At the moment, all we know is his year of birth | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
and who he's married to. Other than that, nothing. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
Haven't got anything, to be honest. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
But there is one last avenue open to the heir hunters. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Emily has come up with a cunning plan. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Stuart's father Herbert died in 2007 | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
so Debbie at Probate could check that to see if he leaves a grant. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
If he does, we hope that his son Stuart | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
would be the one taking out the grant. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
If it's right, it will give us a recent address for him | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
and hopefully that will be our first heir with an address. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Later in the programme, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Betty's case gives the heir hunters an incredible twist at the 11th hour. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
We've had the claim come back and there's a property on it. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
Every Thursday morning when the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
is advertised, heir-hunting companies scramble to try | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and be the first to find the beneficiaries to an estate. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
When they do eventually find the heirs, there are no guarantees | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
they will have ever heard of the deceased | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
or, in some cases, even the other heirs. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
Evelyn Burgum died in London in January 2011. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
She was 82 years old | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
and passed away without leaving a will to her £330,000 estate. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
A widow, she'd lost her husband George over 15 years ago | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
and continued to live in their north London home right up to her death. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
The couple spent most of their married life in the same house | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
and their long-term neighbour, Fred Friar, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
remembers Evelyn and George fondly. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
They were a very private couple but very kindly | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
so I think the best combination, really. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
They were private and kindly. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
For example, George, who worked for Thames Water, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
was an ardent angler and he would quite often give us presents | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
of proper brown trout. The real thing. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Despite knowing the couple for decades, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Evelyn never spoke openly to Fred about her past or wider family. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
George was more open but enigmatic with it. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Locally, George had the soubriquet, "German George" | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
and one-time I asked him about this. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
"Why German George?" I said. He said, "Look at my square head, Frederick. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
"I'm German." And he never did speak German. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
He spoke with a London accent, quite a cultured London accent. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
He never did speak with a German accent or speak any German. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
Because the war might have had sad or bitter memories for him, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:29 | |
I never did go any further with that. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
By all accounts, they were friendly but very private people, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
and George's death in 1995 only increased Evelyn's withdrawal | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
into her own little world. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
She took it really very badly. After that, she became very reclusive. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
For a number of years. This wasn't just a six-months' grieving. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
She took it very much to heart. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
I gather they must have been a very devoted couple on the basis of that. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
With no neighbours or friends of Evelyn's | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
knowing of any children or even wider family, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
her £330,000 estate was advertised on the Treasury's list. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
Heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser picked up the job. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
Senior case manager David Pacifico | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
has 40 years' experience of heir hunting. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
He started the task of piecing together Evelyn's family tree. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
First of all, we needed to identify her birth, which we did. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
From that, we identified her parents. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Evelyn's birth certificate revealed her mother and father | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
were Dorothy and Henry Linsley. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
David now turned his attention to the birth records | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
looking for evidence of Evelyn's siblings. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
We also found out when the parents married, and from that, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
identified that there were other children born to that marriage | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
so therefore Mrs Burgum had several siblings. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
So despite the mystery about whether Evelyn had any wider family, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
she actually had three sisters. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
For heir hunter David, finding these sisters was key | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
to discovering if Evelyn had any living heirs. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
We found one of them was still alive. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
The other two had passed away. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Evelyn's younger sister was still alive and in her late 70s. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
She was now an heir to Evelyn's massive £330,000 estate. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:37 | |
The revelation that Evelyn had had sisters was news | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
to all those who knew her, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
especially Chris Macleod, her husband George's nephew. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Evelyn, I didn't know had any relations. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
She never talked about that side of the family, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
George never talked about that side of the family. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
As far as I was concerned, there was no that side of the family. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
This was despite Chris knowing Evelyn and George better than most. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
George and Ev were always there when I needed them. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
My brother suffered from eczema and asthma | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
and spent the first seven years of his life in hospital. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
I spend most weekends with them. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
They became almost like another set of parents for me | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
for those early years. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:24 | |
I learned a lot from my uncle George about being a wind-up merchant. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
He enjoyed it, so do I. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
He had a screw loose but we've all got a different type of screw loose. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
If George was a renowned prankster then his tales of German ancestry | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
to the neighbours could have been just one of his jokes. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
But Evelyn and George's enigmatic and eccentric personalities | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
didn't faze heir hunter David Pacifico. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
All he was concerned with was cold hard facts. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Having discovered Evelyn had one sister still live, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
he turned his attention to the two that had passed away. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
We found out from an early stage that one of them had several children. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
We made contact with one of the children. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Nephew and heir David Atkins was not only shocked to get a call | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
from an heir hunter, but also to hear his aunt's name again | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
having not seen or heard from Evelyn for over 50 years. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
My head was reeling with where had Evelyn been, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
where's the rest of the family, what's going on? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
It turned out David hadn't seen or heard of his aunt | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
since his childhood. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
My last proper memory was when Evelyn and George took me to Paris. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
I was 15 and at that time, this was a fantastic experience - | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
a 15-year-old in the early '60s going to Paris for the weekend. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
It was wonderful. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
But for some unknown reason, in the mid-1960s, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Evelyn and her three sisters started to drift apart | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
and David's aunt and uncle disappeared from his life. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
So what had happened to Evelyn's family ties with her three sisters? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
As case manager David Pacifico started to delve deeper, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
a potential cause for the separation was surfacing. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
We understand from the family that they thought she had gone abroad. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
It seemed Evelyn's sisters and wider family had been led to believe | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
she and George had emigrated to Canada in the 1960s. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
But did they ever actually go? | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
If they didn't, what made them cut all family ties? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Later in the programme, the confusion surrounding Evelyn's life | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
grows as David discovers yet more heirs and yet more mystery. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to the rightful heirs | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
but not every case can be cracked. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Could you be the heir they've been searching for? | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
thousands or even millions of pounds? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
and today we are focusing on three names. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Mary Lilian Clunan died in Bristol in March 2007. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
Her surname is Irish and originates from County Galway. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
The name is extremely rare in England | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
but so far all efforts to trace her heirs have failed. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
Or did you know Thomas Arthur Thomas? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
He died in Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Cambridgeshire in 1997. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
Does his distinctive name mean anything to you? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Or finally, Reginald Fewtrell. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
He died in June 2002 in the West Midlands. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
His surname is fairly common for the area and also in Wales. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
If no heirs are found to his estate, the money will go to the Government. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
If the names Mary Lilian Clunan, Thomas Arthur Thomas | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
or Reginald Fewtrell mean anything to you, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
then you could have a windfall on its way. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Betty Zena Littlewood died in London aged 82 in December 2010. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
There was no will and the heir hunters don't know how much money | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
she might have left. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
As an illegitimate only child, she never married or had any children | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
and spent her adult life living and caring for her late mother. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
Her friend Esther Royle remembers the day | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
she talked to Betty about her background. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
I asked her, I said, "Betty, have you any family?" | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
She said, "Well, I don't know." She didn't know. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
But it appears Betty only cared about one relative - | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
her beloved mother. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Her mother was the world to her. She really was. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
I said, "You should have broke away, Betty." | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
I said, "You should have got married." | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
The heir hunters have picked up Betty's case from the Treasury's list | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
and it is now their job to try and work out | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
if Betty did indeed have any relatives. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
So far, their morning has consisted of false starts. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Right, so now I don't know where I'm going. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
And hard-to-trace family trees. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Haven't really got anything, to be honest. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
But after a frustrating morning's work, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
the team made a vital discovery of a family tree on the internet | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
for Betty's ancestors. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
This showed that Betty's mother had in fact had seven siblings | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
and these ants and uncles have led the heir hunters | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
to not one but two cousins. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
The team have been struggling to get up-to-date addresses for them | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
but it looks like their efforts are about to pay off. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
We finally found an address for Stuart Cleaver. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
We did that by finding the calendar slip at Probate | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
for his father's will. We also have an address | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
for what we believe is another cousin who's deceased - | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
Margaret Morgan. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
We got that address the same way. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Making contact with the heirs they know about is now the top priority. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
The estate may be of an unknown value but that doesn't mean | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
there won't be any competition from other probate companies. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
The team must act fast. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Simon has left a message with cousin Margaret | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
but the team has so far failed to find a number for cousin Stuart. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
It calls for urgent action. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
That's got to be a goer, isn't it? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Simon has discovered an address for cousin Stuart's daughter. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
All Dave has to do now is get one of the travelling heir hunters | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
to pay her a visit | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
and to try and get an up-to-date phone number for her father. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
With Bob Barrett now tied up on another case, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Dave scrambles to get another travelling heir hunter | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
to go and meet Stuart's daughter. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
We've got an address for you on a job. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
Fortunately, traveller Bob Smith is in the Kent area | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
and hotfoots it to the doctor's address. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
-My mum's name is Liz. -Liz, did you say? -Elizabeth. -OK, that's lovely. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:44 | |
I shall give him a call now. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
Bingo. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
Bob has cousin Stuart's number | 0:24:47 | 0:24:48 | |
and heads straight back to the car to put in a call. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
-Hello, is that Mr Cleaver? -It is, yes. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Mr Cleaver, my name is Robert Smith. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
I'm calling on behalf of a company called Fraser & Fraser. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
Stuart agrees to a meeting | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
and Bob heads to Portsmouth as quickly as he can. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Back in the office, Dave also has good news. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
Bob has told them what he's initially learned from Stuart. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Thanks very much, speak to you soon. Bye-bye. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
It was him that put the tree online. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
It turns out Stuart was the person who posted the Littlewood family tree on the internet. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
This is music to the heir hunters' ears, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
that it will hopefully help clear up the blank bits of their own tree. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
The good news keeps on coming. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
Dave has also been called back by Betty's cousin Margaret | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
and thankfully Bob Barrett is now available. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
MOBILE RINGS | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
I wondered if you would mind popping over to see a client | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
that might be entitled in Hassocks. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Bob Barrett sets the satnav and hits the road. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
After a hectic morning, case manager Dave feels | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
all their hard work may yet pay off. | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
Hopefully, within the next couple of hours, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
we'll have had two of the known beneficiaries seen, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
hopefully an agreement from them to act for them, hopefully, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
and we should have more information about the others. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
So, as always in this job, you go from there to there in no time. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
That's good news. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
And in Portsmouth, things are also looking positive. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
-Hello, Mr Cleaver? -That's me. -Robert Smith of Fraser & Fraser. -Oh, yes. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
-I spoke to you earlier on the phone. -You did indeed. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Bob Smith has made his appointment before any competition, and is the first to arrive at cousin Stuart's. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
He brings him up to speed on what they know. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Your Aunt Rose had this daughter, Betty. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
Now, Betty herself remained unmarried during her lifetime. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
She died some time last year. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
When she died, apparently, she hadn't made a will | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
and there were no family members that were in contact with her | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
that could look after her affairs. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
After sharing information on the Littlewood family's ancestors, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Stuart is happy to sign up with the company. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
-Don't argue with that. -OK. Thank you very much indeed. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
This means the company can help Stuart make a claim, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and are therefore entitled to commission | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
on his share of the estate. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
For Stuart, Bob's visit has allowed him to expand his family tree | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
that bit further, which is welcomed by this keen amateur genealogist. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Not very worried about the money, we don't particularly need it, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
but it's more the people we're concerned about, I think. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
They're people we knew about, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
but they were blanks in the family tree, if you like. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
We knew nothing about them. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
This will really help to paint the picture for us. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Thank you very much, Stuart, it's lovely to meet you. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
OK, and we'll be in touch soon. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Look forward to that. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
Thank you very much indeed. Bye bye. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
It's a fantastic result, and back in his car, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
Bob puts in a call to the office. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Bob Smith. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:02 | |
'Hello, Bob Smith - David Slee.' | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
Dave Slee! Dave Slee, I've just signed Stuart Douglas Cleaver. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
Well done, mate. I don't think there's anything more. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
'Bob Barrett's seeing the other heir.' | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
Thanks very much indeed. Thank you, bye. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Mr Cleaver was certainly a very nice gentleman. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Very interested in the type of work we do, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
and obviously re-establishing contact with family | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
that he knew nothing about. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:30 | |
So, all in all, a very, very good day. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
And Bob isn't the only happy heir hunter. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Stuart was also able to clear up | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
some of the dead ends on the family tree. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
It turns out Stuart thinks that one of his and Betty's uncles | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
that the team had been struggling with hadn't just disappeared - | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
he'd emigrated across the Atlantic. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
It's another lead for the office to follow. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
We're looking at shipping records for William Littlewood, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and there are records of a William Littlewood sailing in 1912, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:06 | |
so we're just wondering if it was on the Titanic! | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
There's lots of ships sailing in 1912, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
so we don't think it's likely that he... | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
It sounds like he made it! He got there safe! | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
So, the hunt for Betty's heirs could stretch to the New World. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
But still on home turf in Hassocks, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
Bob Barrett has made it to the home of another heir - | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
Betty's cousin Margaret. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Your mother was one of quite a large family, wasn't she? | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
Yes, there was eight of them. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
-Indeed, eight. -Yes. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:39 | |
Margaret knows a fair bit about her mother's family, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
but it's down to Bob to break the news | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
she'd had a cousin she'd never known about. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Right, one of the daughters, Rose... | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-Rose Littlewood had a child and didn't get married. -Mmm. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
-And it's her child who died. -Oh. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
She didn't leave a will, and her child was named Betty. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
She wasn't married, she didn't have any children, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
-she used to live with her mother. -Mm-hm. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
-No brothers or sisters? -And no brothers or sisters. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
Whilst the news she had a cousin may be new to Margaret, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
she does know a little more about the circumstances surrounding her family's split. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
Four in the middle, we found their names - Rose, Winifred, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
Percy and Alfred - and we know nothing at all about them. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
Presumably they were young men and young women | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
and they left home, at what age we don't know. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
But they left home and they never made any contact with the mother. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
Brothers and sisters do scrap and they do fall out | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
and one thing and another. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:52 | |
But their mother was the dearest lady you could ever come across. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
Everybody loved her. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
And how any children could go away and lose touch with the mother | 0:30:58 | 0:31:04 | |
is beyond my understanding. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
So four of the eight siblings simply upped sticks and left home for good. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
This information is vital to the office, as it ties in | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
with cousin Stuart's memories of their Uncle William's emigration abroad. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
Bob explains the paperwork to Margaret, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
and then says his goodbyes. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Hi, Bob. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Charming old lady, but she's quite frail, quite elderly, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
with very poor eyesight, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:36 | |
-so I didn't think it was right to ask her to sign an agreement. -'No, fine.' | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
I've left one with her and asked her to speak to her cousin | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
and I'm sure they'll get together. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Yeah. And her cousin has agreed to use our services, which is good news. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
A nice ride out in the country as well. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
From what started as a frustrating case for the team, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
the end result has been worth it. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
Meeting and signing up heirs is the heir hunters' main aim, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
but to be able to fill in the blanks in a family's history in the process is the cherry on the cake. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:13 | |
Dave reflects on a rollercoaster of a day. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
Take care now, bye-bye. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
Still quite a little bit of research to undertake, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
but we should be able to tie that information up in the next few days | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
and bring it to a successful conclusion, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
so, all in all, it's been a good day at the office. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
And Dave's positive feelings about the case have proven prophetic. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
After the family's claim is accepted by the Treasury, Neil gets an amazing news. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
It's a result all heir hunters dream of. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
We've had the claimant come back and there's a property on it. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
In fact, there's four properties, four plots of land. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Fingers crossed, they'll be sizeable plots and it'll be a big estate, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
but at the moment at least we know the gamble has paid off. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
We've worked a case which doesn't appear to have any value, and there is value. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
Evelyn Burgum died in January 2011, with no known relatives | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
and no will to her £330,000 estate. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
By all accounts, her life and past | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
were a mystery to those who knew her. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Evelyn, I didn't know had any relations. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
She never talked about that side of the family. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
George never talked about that side of the family. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
So, as far as I was concerned, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
there was no that side of the family. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
But heir hunter David Pacifico had discovered otherwise. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
He'd found that Evelyn was in fact one four sisters, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
one of whom was still alive, in her late 70s and an heir to Evelyn's estate. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
He also traced three nephews from one of her late sisters. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Nephews that, like the rest of the wider family, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
had lost contact with their aunt, believing her to have moved abroad 50 years ago. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:04 | |
We understood that she and George had emigrated to Canada many years ago | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
and we'd all lost touch. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
In 1960s London, Evelyn and George's emigration to Canada | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
would have been a highly plausible event. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
After World War II, Canada had undergone an economic boom | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
and a skilled British labour force were welcomed to move there. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
But it seemed that Canada was only ever a pipe-team to Evelyn and George | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
as they'd never actually left north London. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
And David Pacifico was the man who had to break this uncomfortable truth to her family. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
It's strange in this case because the deceased lived in north London | 0:34:42 | 0:34:49 | |
and one of her...and her surviving sister lives in north-west London. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
Not many miles away. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
Yet, you know, there hadn't been any contact for, I think, 50 years. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
So why did Evelyn's family believe she'd emigrated to Canada, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
when in reality she was just down the road? | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
From his vague, early memories, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
nephew David doesn't believe it stemmed from any big family bust-ups. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
There wasn't any disagreement, any argument or anything like that. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
I understand that my mother tried to trace Evelyn after a few years | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
and was told she'd emigrated to Canada. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
And there the trail stopped because in those days, 50 years ago, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
it wasn't possible to go any further. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
But it is now, and David is set on discovering more about his mysterious aunt. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
I don't know, we don't know, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
the family don't know anything about this and we want to know why. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
Now, the only way the family can try and get to know Evelyn is through her possessions. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
Nephew David has been assigned administrator of her estate | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
and has come to Evelyn's home to search for clues | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
about his mysterious aunt's past. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
I think, really, the purpose of the visit today is to see | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
if we can find out anything about these huge gaps that we've got in the family history, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:22 | |
what happened since we understood that Evelyn and George had emigrated to Canada. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:28 | |
David's motivations are different from the heir hunters. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
Andrew Fraser has joined David, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
but he is on the lookout for clues about Evelyn's financial past instead. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
Andrew is used to the process, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
but for David, it's not so straightforward. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
It's a funny situation because, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
should I be looking through all these papers? | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
They're somebody else's almost. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
It might be slightly unsettling, but David gets stuck in, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
sifting through old photos and letters, trying to get | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
a clearer picture of Evelyn's life over the last 50 years. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
It becomes apparent his late aunt and uncle may have been estranged from the family, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
but they weren't estranged from the world. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Well, they don't seem to have been reclusive. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
They seem to have had a circle of friends - | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
photographs and letters from other people - that they're obviously regularly in touch with. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
So it seems Evelyn's family may have been gone to her, but they were forgotten. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
David discovers an old photograph that brings the past flooding back. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
It's a photo that captures one of his last meetings with his aunt and uncle. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
That's George and me as a young boy | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
on this trip to Paris that Evelyn and George took me on. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
But that is absolutely amazing to find that. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
If Evelyn and George were keeping the photographs, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
the old family photographs, it means that they hadn't cut themselves off completely from the family, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:05 | |
and this would suggest that that is correct. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
And that's why they've been kept. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
Whatever caused the breakdown in contact between Evelyn and her sisters may never be known, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:21 | |
but the story wasn't over yet. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
In his hunt for heirs, David Pacifico | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
made another uncomfortable discovery. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
It turned out David Atkins had cousins he knew nothing about. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Evelyn's latest niece and nephew were from her younger sister Rita, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
who passed away when her children were still young. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Joanne and her brother grew up knowing very little about their mother, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
let alone Evelyn. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
I was a bit numb, really, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
when I first spoke to David. Yeah, a bit shocked. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
A bit numb and a bit of disbelief as well, really. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
And David Pacifico's revelations kept on coming. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
So initially he told me that my mum actually was one four sisters, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
I thought she was only one of two, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
and that one of the sisters had had three sons, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
so that I had three cousins that I didn't know about. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
Joanne had a lot to take in in a short space of time, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
and it wasn't just her maternal family who were in mystery, it was also her mother. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
I knew very little about my mum, really. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
My memories are very sketchy because she died | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
just after my seventh birthday. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
My dad was, um...he didn't cope very well with her death | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
and he just wasn't able to talk about her, really. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
And so...so we never spoke of her. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
And this silence included any mention or contact with her mother's wider family. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
It's really strange to get to your forties and then find out | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
you had cousins you didn't know anything about, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
and now they've all got children and some of them have grandchildren. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
And my aunt who's still alive, to meet her a bit more | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
and introduce her to my children and get the families together. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
Getting to know her extended family also means Joanne can hopefully | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
learn more about her late mother, Rita. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Cousin David has offered to try and help Joanne fill in some of the gaps. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
The two cousins have arranged to meet for only the second time in their lives, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
the first being at Evelyn's funeral. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
Jo knows very little about her parents and the family, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
and I've got some family photographs that I can pass on to her. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
-Hello there, good to see you. -And you. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
David has prepared family photos that Joanne will be seeing for the first time. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
-That's our grandad in the First World War. -Wow! | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
Gosh! | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
-That's the first photo I've seen of our grandad. -Well, that's... | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
But the greatest revelation for Joanne has been seeing | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
the snapshots of her mother Rita's life. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
That's Rita being held by her mother, our grandmother. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
Can I get a copy of this? | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
-It's in there. -Oh, thank you. It's lovely. -I've copied most of these. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
It's fantastic, it's so lovely to see these photos, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
-it's just amazing. -Of course, you haven't seen any of these. -I haven't seen any of them. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
I've got one photo of my mum when she was obviously grown up and that was it, really. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
-Right. -That's all I've got. So these are just amazing. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
The conversation turns to their Aunt Evelyn. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
David brings Joanne up to speed on how he's dispelled the myths surrounding their aunt. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
Her supposed emigration to Canada, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
uncle George convincing the neighbours he was a German, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
the separation from the sisters, but also her happy life with George. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
They weren't hiding themselves away, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
they obviously had lots of friends, very friendly with the neighbours. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:10 | |
The reunited cousins may never know the reason | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
their family broke apart, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
but whatever DID happen makes no difference to the way Joanne feels today. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
I feel very sad that I hadn't met Evelyn and that she lived so close | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
and I could have known her, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
but I should be eternally grateful that she has been the catalyst | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
to bring the family together and to enable me | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
to find out about people in my family that I never knew existed. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
Evelyn, the family's mysterious sister and aunt, has not only left | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
a legacy that has brought the family together, but also her six heirs | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
will now share their enigmatic aunt's £330,000 inheritance. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:54 | |
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