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'Heir hunters specialise in tracking down people | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
'who are entitled to money from someone who has died. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
'They hand over thousands of pounds | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
'to relatives who have no idea they were in line to inherit.' | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
He said one and a half million pounds had been left. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
'Their work involves painstaking investigation.' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
These kids could all be right, all be wrong or half and half. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
'But it can shed new light on the past.' | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
Finding out all about Mary, someone in my family I didn't really know. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:34 | |
'But most of all, the work is about giving people news of an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
'Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door?' | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
'Coming up, heir hunters veer off course in the hunt for relatives...' | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
And it's the wrong family! | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
'..the Belfast woman who headed abroad and came back with a fortune...' | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
Irish people did very well in the United States. There was a lot of upward social mobility. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
'..plus, how you could be entitled | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
'to inherit money sat in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
'Could a fortune be heading your way?' | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
'It's Friday morning in Liverpool. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
'Heir hunter Saul Marks is getting stuck into his second day on a new case.' | 0:01:22 | 0:01:28 | |
This lady was called Mary Elizabeth Couzens. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
She was born in 1951 in London. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
As far as we're aware, she had no children and no siblings. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
'Saul is a case manager for Celtic Research, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
'which is run by father and son, Peter and Hector Birchwood. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
'They spotted Mary's case on the Bona Vacantia list of unclaimed estates, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
'which is released every Thursday. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
'As rival heir hunting firms could be working this case as well, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
'it's important that Saul acts fast to track down Mary's heirs.' | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
Right, OK. That's the deceased's line sorted out. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
'He's already managed to make contact | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
'with a number of people he thinks could be heirs to Mary's estate. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
'To confirm his research, Saul needs to get his hands on a vital document.' | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
We're going to Southport in a few minutes. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
The purpose of going is to get the marriage certificate of the parents of the deceased. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
This is going to be very important for this case. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
If it's the right family, it's going to be a great relief, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
cos we won't have wasted our time yesterday tracing the wrong family. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
If it is the wrong family, we'll have to start again with a new Couzens family. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
'Mary Couzens died on 1 August 2011, in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
'She was just 59 years old. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
'Although she'd been poorly for some time, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
'the news still came as a shock to her friend, Jim Oram.' | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
I thought she was not in a sort of life-threatening state. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
But I think she had a whole litany of things wrong with her, medically. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:17 | |
I counted them up once. It was probably about 15. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
On top of that, she had diabetes and her body just gave up, really. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Which was sad. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
'Because of her health problems, Mary spent the last few years | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
'in sheltered accommodation in her home town of Watford. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
'According to support worker Agnes Connolly, she was a popular resident.' | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
Mary was very fun-loving, bubbly, out-going. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Quite happy to talk to just anyone, make anybody welcome. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Didn't matter who was in the communion lounge, she was always the first one to say hello. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:53 | |
'Mary was a very generous woman who loved to cook. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
'Every day, she'd spend time and money making an evening meal for a group of friends.' | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
I think she did it because she used to say she didn't like being in here | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
on her own at night cos it was lonely. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
And so she invited a group of us around, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
to give her a social life at night. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
She practised a very practical and radical form of Christianity... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
..in that she really helped others. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
For instance, someone here had his pocket picked, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
and she, um... | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
..the next day, quietly passed him a brown envelope | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
with replacement money in. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
'Mary died without making a will. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
'Because she had no children and no brothers or sisters to inherit, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
'heir hunter Saul must now look for aunts, uncles and cousins. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
'Mary's parents were Frederick Couzens and Mary Wells. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
'According to Saul's research, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
'Frederick's father, Mary's grandfather, was Ernest Couzens. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
'Saul has identified seven brothers and sisters for Frederick, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
'and has even spoken to some of their children and grandchildren. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
'He believes that they are Mary's cousins | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
'and potential heirs to her estate. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
'But before he can go any further, he needs documentary proof. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
'So he's on his way to Southport Register Office | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
'to pick up a copy of Mary's parents' marriage certificate. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
'This entire job hangs on whether the information he finds in it | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
'matches the research he's done so far.' | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
What we're looking for is it to prove | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
that the work we've done on the paternal side of the family is the right family. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
The key to this is that the groom's father's name is Ernest. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
If it's Ernest, we can all breathe a sigh of relief, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
and we know we've got the right family. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
If it's not Ernest, then we have to go back to the drawing board. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
'The certificate will also tell Saul the age of Mary's mother | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
'and the name of her father, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
'so he can start to open up the maternal side of the family.' | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
We've arrived at the general registry office in Southport. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
It's 10.04, which is almost exactly the time they open. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
We're going to get the certificate and hope it says what we want it to say. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
'As the company works for a pre-agreed percentage of the estate, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
'they will only get paid if Saul signs up heirs. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
'Because the value of the estates isn't published on the unclaimed list, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
'he doesn't know at this point whether the work he's putting in | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
'will turn out to be worthwhile. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
'He's already gambled a full day's research on this case, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
'and he's about to find out if it's paid off.' | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
OK, great service, as always. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
One certificate. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Right, let's see what this says. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
This is what it's all about. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
And it's the wrong family. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Frederick Couzens, 52 years old, bachelor. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
Father's name, William Couzens, deceased brickmaker. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
SIGHS | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
'The news comes as a blow. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
'The Frederick Couzens on whom Saul has based his tree | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
'is not Mary's father. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
'A whole day's work will have to be scrapped. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
'With the competition likely to be circling, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
'it's time Saul can ill afford to waste.' | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
With great regret, I'll have to go back to the people I spoke to | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
and say, "This is the wrong family. We're awfully sorry." | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
And we're going to have to start again on the paternal side. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
'It's back to the office and back to the drawing board. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
'But it's not ALL bad news for Saul.' | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
The second role of that certificate | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
was to allow us to open up the maternal side, which it has done. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
It might be all to play for yet today. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
We might have exciting times in the office when I get back. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
'From the marriage certificate he's just collected, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
'Saul has established that Mary's mother was Mary Emily Wells, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
'and was 40 years old when she married in 1951. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
'Her father, Mary's grandfather, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
'was a master greengrocer named William James Wells. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
'Back in the office, Saul is using this new information | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
'to try to build up the maternal side of the family tree.' | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
She would have died under the name Mary Emily Couzens. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
So we're going to look for her death... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
..and see what we can find. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
'Since 1969, death records in England and Wales | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
'have included a date and place of birth. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
'They're invaluable documents for heir hunters.' | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Born 9 November 1910, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
which is great cos she was born before the 1911 census. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
So we can look her up and find her as a child with her family. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
'By studying census records from 1911 and 1901, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
'Saul is able to establish that Mary's mother, Mary Emily Wells, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
'had five brothers and sisters, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
'four of whom survived into adulthood.' | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
We've got Henry William, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Ellen Elizabeth, Dorothy and Frederick, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
and they are the aunts and uncles of the deceased | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
on the maternal side. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
So now we're going to look for their marriages and children. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
'Keen to make up lost time after his initial mistake, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
'Saul starts trawling through marriage and birth records, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
'in the hope of finding Mary's first cousins. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
'But it's not his lucky day.' | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Well, this is now becoming very frustrating. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
The eldest brother looks like he died without issue. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
So that line's dead. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
Ellen, otherwise Nellie, Wells later Hall, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
has at least one son, who is dead. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
His wife is dead. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
They may have had a daughter. Not sure what happened to her. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
The aunt of the deceased, Dorothy, probably Dorothy Bailey, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
has one son with a very unusual name, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
who died without leaving any issue, so his line's dead. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
What we're left with is plain Frederick Wells, of which there are millions! | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
Very, very frustrating. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
I want me lunch. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
'Faced with a brick wall on Mary's mother's side, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
'Saul starts again with her father's side of the family.' | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I'm hoping that this is going to be a bit more fruitful, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
have some nice unusual names, perhaps, and see where we get to. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
'The road to Mary's heirs has, so far, been strewn with obstacles. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
'With time ticking on, this could be Saul's last chance to get to them before the competition.' | 0:11:20 | 0:11:26 | |
Hello? Oh. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
I think he's hung up. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
'In 2009, work began on the case of a lady called Elizabeth Malhotra, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
'who died at a care home in London. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
'Although she led a modest and intensely private life, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
'Elizabeth turned out to be worth a fortune. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
'Because she didn't leave a will, her name appeared on the Bona Vacantia list, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
'where the case was picked up by heir hunting team Fraser & Fraser. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
'Senior case manager David Milchard was at the helm.' | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
The case came with a list of other cases and we just run through each one, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
try to identify whether there's any possibility of value. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
It indicated that she and her husband owned the house she lived in. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
If there's property, it's reasonable to assume there's going to be some value. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
So that's why we looked into it. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
'Elizabeth Malhotra passed away on 22 October 2009. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
'She was 89 years old. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
'Sister Margaret Coyne provided her with care and companionship | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
'for the last four years of her life.' | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
In the mornings, I got her up, gave her personal care, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
prepared her breakfast, prompted her medication. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Generally made her comfortable and spoke to her. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
In the beginning, she was wary of me going in. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
But as she saw I was harmless and just there to help her, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
she was more open and responded - really more trusting. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
'Elizabeth was a quiet and secretive lady, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
'but over time, she revealed her love of music.' | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
I bought her a cassette player, gave it to her and she really loved it. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
She liked hymns and old songs, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
so I picked up any I could and made copies of them. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
'Elizabeth's husband Mohan died 20 months before her. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
'The loss hit her hard.' | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Sometimes she told me that during the night she was speaking to Mohan. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
She used to say he'd appear to her at night to talk to her. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I think her whole life revolved round Mohan. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
'Elizabeth didn't have many possessions | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
'and lived a very simple life.' | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
I always was of the opinion that she was poor. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
I'd say she had enough to go and buy it now, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
but I really felt that she didn't have much money or any riches. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
'Elizabeth's frugality belied the fact that she owned a home in London's Belgravia, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:02 | |
'one of the wealthiest districts in the world. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
'It was an indication for case manager David Milchard | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
'that her estate was likely to be of high value.' | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
We thought originally the estate would be minimum of about 300,000, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
primarily based on what we thought the value of the property was. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
'The team were working for a percentage of the estate, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
'so when the true value was eventually revealed, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
'they were in for a very pleasant surprise.' | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
The value we were given by the Treasury solicitor | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
when we got the claim through was £1.7 million. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
Which is very good! | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
'An estate this large would attract a lot of competition from rival heir hunting firms, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
'so it was crucial that the team acted fast. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
'Straight away, David dispatched a researcher to Elizabeth's address, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
'in the hope of finding out more about her from neighbours.' | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
We basically learned that the deceased and her husband | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
hadn't lived in England for very long. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Prior to coming here, they spent most of their time in America. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
'Having established that Elizabeth didn't have children, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
'the next step was to get hold of a death certificate, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
'which would provide the company with more vital clues.' | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
It told us her date and place of birth, which was in Belfast. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
It also told us that her maiden name was Grogan, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
and that she was a widow of Mr Malhotra, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
who was described as an airline executive. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
'To find out the names of her parents, the team needed Elizabeth's birth certificate. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
'They concentrated their efforts in Northern Ireland, but progress was slow.' | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
A tricky thing with Northern Ireland records, as opposed to England, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
is that you can't do a lot of work on spec. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
You've got to apply, in most cases, for the certificates | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
to know you're going in the right direction. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
'It took several days for the birth certificate to reach David. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
'It was a tense wait.' | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Because it was taking a bit of time to get the research sorted out, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
at the back of my mind there was always a worry that some other company was also looking at it. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:21 | |
Biggest fear was that there would be a local company in Belfast on the case. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
They're on the ground. They've got local knowledge. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
'Once the certificate finally arrived, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
'the team could start to build Elizabeth's family tree. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
'Her parents, James Grogan and Annie McKnight, married in 1906. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
'Records show that they had four other children...' | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Once we established the names of the brothers, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
we then searched to see what happened to them. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
We eventually found that they died without any children. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
'With no nieces or nephews to inherit her fortune, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
'the search was on for Elizabeth's aunts, uncles and cousins. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
'But even in her home town, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
'information about Elizabeth was hard to come by. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
'Death records show that both her parents passed away when she was a young girl. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
'It's thought that Elizabeth may have lived with relatives, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
'but after about 1950, there is no trace of her in Northern Ireland. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
'As her neighbour told the team she'd lived in America, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
'it seems likely she'd become one of the millions of Irish nationals | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
'to emigrate there in search of a better life.' | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
Migration's been a feature of Irish society for hundreds of years. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
People would be familiar with the large 19th-century migration, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
particularly after the famine in the 1840s. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Actually, up until the 1950s and indeed until the 1980s, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
there was large-scale migration out of Ireland. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
'Census data shows that between 1951 and 1961, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
'half a million people left Ireland. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
'That's one-seventh of the entire population.' | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
Migration is a complex process. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
The reasons why people migrate are varied. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
The main one would be economic. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
People are moving for jobs, for different opportunities | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
and lifestyles for them and their families. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
There are also social reasons why people might migrate. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
If we think about what Irish society was like in the 1950s. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
It was very conservative, a very religiously traditional society. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
For young people there was perhaps the opportunity to move elsewhere, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
where they could have more freedom, a better lifestyle, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
maybe a sense of adventure as well, informing their migration choices. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
'Most of these migrants went to Britain, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
'where postwar reconstruction meant work was plentiful. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
'But many, like Elizabeth Grogan, headed west.' | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
America in the 1950s was booming. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
In Irish culture, there's this figure, the "return Yank". | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
This is somebody who's lived in America, an Irish migrant, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
who's done well, come back on holiday. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
They're usually seen as very glamorous, very exciting characters. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
They would have this strange language, this vocabulary, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
talking about refrigerators and vacuum cleaners, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
really typifying the consumer boom of 1950s America. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
For a lot of young people, this sold them an image | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
of an American lifestyle that they wanted to emulate. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
'It's not known where in America Elizabeth Grogan went, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
'or what she did when she first got there. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
'But as she was worth £1.7 million by the time she died, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
'it seems likely that America was kind to her.' | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
In general, Irish people did very well in the United States. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
There was a lot of upwards social mobility, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
so that within a generation, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
Irish families had progressed enormously and gone from working class to middle class. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
'As the search for Elizabeth's missing relatives continues, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
'a picture continues to emerge of her exciting American lifestyle.' | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
The wife of a dispatcher would have enjoyed a certain... | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
feeling of opportunity, glamour if you like. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
'Heir hunters use specialist skills | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
'to track down thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
'But not all cases can be cracked | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
'and there are thousands of estates that remain unclaimed.' | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
Cases will stay on the unclaimed list for 12 years | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
from the date that the administration has been completed. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
That's the period of time that people still can come forward and claim the estate. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
'Today, we're focusing on two cases | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
'that have so far eluded the heir hunters. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
'Could you be the beneficiary they've been looking for? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
'Heir hunters have struggled to find out any more information | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
'about Janet or her family. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
'Could you be related to Janet? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
'Could you be in line to inherit a share of her estate? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
'As he died in Scotland, his case was published | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
'by the Queen and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
'and was valued at £9,000. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
'Did you know Charles? Could you be due a share of his £9,000 legacy? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
'Here are those names once again. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
'If you're one of their long-lost relatives, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
'you could have a windfall coming your way.' | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
'Friday afternoon in Liverpool and Saul Marks | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
'of heir hunting firm Celtic Research | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
'is searching for relatives of a Watford woman called Mary Couzens.' | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
'So far, it's been a bumpy ride. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
'A mistake in tracing Mary's father's family | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
'has cost Saul a whole day's work. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
'And research on her mother's side has come to a grinding halt. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
'But on the paternal side, things are looking more promising.' | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
We established that the deceased's father, Frederick Couzens, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
was the fourth of eight children. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
We've got two aunts on this family, who each married gentlemen | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
with very unusual names and failed to have children. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
So we are making progress and things are a lot better than they were. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
'Mary Couzens was an only child | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
'who spent her younger years caring for her parents, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
'who both suffered from ill health.' | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
She lived with her mother and father up in Bushey | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
for most of her early life. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
Well into her 30s and 40s, I think. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
Her father was invalided out of the war. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
She looked after him and her mother. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
'Mary had green fingers and took charge of the shared garden | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
'in the sheltered accommodation where she lived.' | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
If she could ever get the chance of anyone taking her out in the car | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
she would buttonhole them to take her to a garden centre. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
She would spend loads and loads of money on buying plants. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:47 | |
Mary's routine, especially in the summer, was gardening. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
You can look in the garden and all the shrubs, pots, belong to Mary. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
She spent hours and hours, lots of money out there. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
So it's all hers. That's definitely her legacy. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
It's good to remember her. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Cos I didn't know that... I'd feel so... | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
emotive about it. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
But she brought a lot of life to this place | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
and...it's gone. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
'In the office, heir hunter Saul is looking for Mary's aunts and uncles. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
'Their living descendents would be beneficiaries to her estate. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
'A search of census, marriage and birth records | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
'revealed that Mary's father Frederick | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
'was the fourth of eight children. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
'The eldest, William, died at an unusually early age. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
'When the First World War broke out in the summer of 1914, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
'the British army consisted of just 200,000 men - | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
'tiny in comparison to the military power of other European nations.' | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
Virtually every other country had conscription. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
On day one of the First World War, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
the Germans, the French could put millions of men into the field. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
It certainly wasn't equal, by any means. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
'Both the British public and the government | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
'were at this point opposed to conscription. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
'In order to swell the army's numbers, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
'the Secretary of State for War, Lord Kitchener, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
'had to launch a hard-hitting recruitment campaign.' | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
Kitchener's campaign is hugely successful. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
He asked for 100,000 volunteers. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
In no time at all, over a million men turn up. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
'Mary Couzens' uncle William was one of them. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
'A baker by trade, he gave up his job | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
'to join the Queen's West Surrey Regiment in September 1914.' | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
A lot of it was not so much about patriotism, King and country. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
A lot of people saw it as a massive adventure, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
the chance to have new clothes, new boots on your feet, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
be properly fed and to have exercise and fresh air - | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
and go on a great European adventure. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
That was quite a draw to a lot of people. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
'Most Kitchener volunteers had at least six months' training | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
'before they were sent to fight in France. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
'Service records show that William went to the front in December 1914, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
'just three months after he joined up.' | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
They must have seen good soldier material in him. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
The regular battalions who'd been out since the beginning | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
had taken a real battering. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
They needed to make up the numbers, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
so William's amongst the Kitchener men | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
who are sent to a regular battalion to make the numbers up. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
'Sadly, William's career as a soldier was not to last for long. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
'In May 1915, he lost his life at the Battle of Festubert | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
'in northern France.' | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
Festubert's a follow-on from the Battle of Aubers Ridge, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
which had been a complete disaster, no ground gained whatsoever. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
At about quarter to four in the morning they come under | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
very heavy German machine gun fire, then heavy artillery barrage. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
It's pretty likely that's the point William Couzens is killed in action. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
'Just 23 years old when he passed away, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
'Mary's uncle William never married, nor had children. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
'So his stem is a dead end for Saul. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
'But he's made a breakthrough with one of her father's other siblings. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
'He's learned that Frank had two children who, if still alive, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
'would be Mary's first cousins. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
'Saul has found a number for one of them. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
'He's hoping he's about to speak to his first heir on this tricky case.' | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
We're working a case today | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
that we think may relate to your cousin, Mary Couzens. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
Does that sound familiar to you at all? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
'It's good news. Saul has found his first heir.' | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
Mary has died, sadly, and she didn't leave a will. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
So you would be one of the heirs because you're one of the cousins. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
You'd be entitled to a portion of what she had. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
'But just when he thinks his luck's about to change, another upset.' | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
No, no. Who was that from? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
'A rival heir hunting firm has beaten Saul to it.' | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
Is that right? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
Hello? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
Oh. I think he's hung up. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
'The initial wrong turn in tracing Mary's father's family | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
'means he's now playing catch-up.' | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
He's invited me to send him stuff, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
but I don't know who we're facing competition-wise | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and what they might have offered him. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
'As the afternoon rumbles on and he contacts more heirs, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
'Saul finds he's constantly one step behind the competition.' | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
It wouldn't surprise me. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
There's quite a few companies who do this work. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
'Undeterred, Saul battles on. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
'It's vital he tries to sign up as many heirs as possible, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
'to cover his company's costs and, hopefully, make a small profit. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
'Just before four o'clock, he gets the break he's been hoping for - | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
'an heir who hasn't yet been contacted by the competition.' | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
..You heard from us first. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
Any questions you've got, feel free to give me a ring. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
'Mary's father had four sisters. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
'One of them, Harriet, had a son called Roy, Mary's first cousin. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
'Roy has now passed away, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
'so his son Tim will be in line to inherit. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
'The news has come as a big surprise.' | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
Finding out all about Mary, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
someone in my family I didn't really know. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
'Tim is Mary's first cousin once removed, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
'but can't remember ever meeting her.' | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Finding out that Mary died... | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
It's a surreal feeling when you don't know somebody | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
but they're part of your family and they've passed away. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
'Tim doesn't yet know how much money he's in line to inherit, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
'but whatever there is will be put to good use.' | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
If there's some inheritance, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
I've got two daughters who'd like to be getting married in the next couple of years. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
Something will be going towards that. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
It'll be a good party. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
'In the office, things are looking up for Saul.' | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
That's a relief to speak to someone | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
who hasn't been contacted by the competition on this case. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Furthermore, Timothy, because the way the family has panned out, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
he would get one whole branch of this. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
If the others sign with the other company and we get just Timothy, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
we'll have one branch at least - hoping for a bit more, though. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
'One more phone call - to the granddaughter of Mary's aunt Ellen - | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
'lifts Saul's spirits further.' | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
She was really pleased that I explained exactly what the situation was, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
who it was who had died and the general situation from here. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
She's very happy to receive a contract from us, so I'm going to send her one. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:18 | |
'By the end of the day, Saul has identified nine heirs on Mary's father's side | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
'and has managed to speak to most of them. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
'Even though in some cases the competition got there before him, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
'he's going to send out contracts to all of them, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
'in the hope that they choose to sign with him. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
'It's now a race against time to catch the last post.' | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
After a pretty rocky start, having had the marriage certificate | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
prove to us that we'd traced the wrong family yesterday, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
we've rectified it today. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
We've contacted a load of paternal heirs | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
and we're just on the way to post the contracts. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
Always a bit tight. Always get there at the last minute. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
But they always seem to get there. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
Someone upstairs likes us and looks out for us. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
'A few weeks later, having found out her estate is worth around £11,000, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
'Saul is able to bring the tricky case of Mary Couzens to a close.' | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
In total, there are ten heirs on the paternal side. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
We've not signed everybody but we've signed quite a few of them. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
We're fairly happy that we will at least cover our costs on this case. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
There's a number of people who are very happy for us to represent them, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
particularly to represent them, despite competition from other companies. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
They've chosen us over others, so that's a relief. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
It's welcome and we can move forward from there. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
'In London, the team at heir hunting firm Fraser & Fraser | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
'were trying to track down beneficiaries to the £1.7 million estate of Elizabeth Malhotra. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:12 | |
'David Milchard was the case manager.' | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
It was quite a long haul, initially, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
because we got a delay in getting into the family. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
Once we got into the family, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
it was fits and starts, really. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
It took a lot longer than you would normally expect to take on a case. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
'An estate this large would almost certainly attract the attention of rival firms, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
'so it was time David's team could ill-afford to waste. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
'Elizabeth Malhotra was a very religious lady. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
'When she grew frail in her final years, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
'it was the Church that came to her aid. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
'Sister Margaret Coyne was her carer for four years.' | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
I've fond memories of Elizabeth. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
I actually liked going in there, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
because she had a dry sense of humour... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
and she was happy. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
I felt she was pleased to see me and I was pleased to see her. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
I must say, I was sad when she departed. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
'Elizabeth was also very private. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
'When it came to talking about her past, she refused to open up.' | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
Most, at the end, will speak something about their past, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
but Elizabeth never would. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
She just seemed to have cut off completely. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
I knew she was born in Belfast, went to America and married Mohan. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
Beyond that, I knew nothing about her. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
If she didn't want to speak about it, nothing would convince her to do so. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
She was a determined lady. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
'Having established that Elizabeth had no siblings, nieces or nephews to inherit her fortune, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
'the team set about looking for aunts and uncles. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
'If they had living descendents, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
'they would be heirs to her £1.7 million estate. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
'The first step was to establish whether Elizabeth's father, James Grogan, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
'and her mother, Annie McKnight, had any brothers or sisters. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
'It was no mean feat for case manager David Milchard.' | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
When you're looking at the family names McKnight and Grogan, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
they're quite common in Northern Ireland. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
So it didn't make our research very easy at all. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
'Census records showed that Elizabeth's father | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
'had eight brothers and sisters. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
'Four went on to have families of their own. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
'These would be Elizabeth's first cousins and heirs to her estate. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
'But when the company contacted one of them, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
'they found that the delays in obtaining birth, marriage and death certificates had cost them dear.' | 0:35:46 | 0:35:52 | |
We discovered that the competition had, in fact, been working that side. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:58 | |
We subsequently learned that the prime reason they did better than us | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
was that one of our competitors' staff actually knew the family. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:09 | |
We still got several of the heirs signed up. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
Unfortunately, we didn't get the whole lot. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
'There was better news when it came to Elizabeth's mother's side. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
'She also had eight brothers and sisters, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
'four of whom had children.' | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
We were able to trace all of that family. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
Some quite easily, some with more difficulty. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
At the end of the day, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
we managed to sign every member of that side of the family up. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
'It was a good result for David, not to mention the heirs - | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
'like Elizabeth's first cousin once removed, Geraldine, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
'who found out she was entitled to share in a fortune.' | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
I got the phone call and, er... | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
He said there's one and a half million pounds had been left. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
I didn't know I had anyone who had that kind of money. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
I'm really looking forward to finding out more about her. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
I think she must have been a fascinating woman. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
She obviously made a lot of money somewhere, cos there's money. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
It would be lovely to find out more. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
'Elizabeth left Belfast for America in the early 1950s. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
'It's thought she eventually went to work for an airline | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
'and that's where she met her husband, Mohan Malhotra. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
'Born in Pakistan, Mohan had come to America to work for TWA | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
'which, back then, was one of the country's biggest airlines. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
'It was an exciting time to be in civil aviation, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
'the beginnings of the glamorous world of transatlantic travel, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
'when flying was still seen as the height of sophistication.' | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
Aviation was not just going from A to B. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
It was the experience of travel. People enjoyed it. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
The first class meal service was second to none. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
We offered champagne, the best, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
offered wines by name, served caviar. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
And we had a trolley with roast beef. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
You didn't fly as high or as fast, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
but you could look out the window and see places you were flying over. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
Today, you can't see anything except cloud. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Then, it was so exciting to watch the land moving slowly under you | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
and you could see the places you were flying over. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
'Mohan Malhotra worked in Flight Operations as a dispatcher, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
'a job which carried a huge responsibility.' | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
The job of a flight dispatcher was to operate the aircraft as safely as possible, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:44 | |
producing a flight plan that calculated the fuel required correctly, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
to plan its track and the altitudes it was going to fly at, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
when it was going to climb and descend. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
He had to analyse all the data that he got from the Met Office, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
and he'd brief the captain on all of this. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
The role of Operations should not be underestimated. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Without that, no aircraft could go safely from its origin to its destination. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
'As an important employee of one of the world's biggest airlines, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
'Mohan and perhaps his wife Elizabeth would have enjoyed a certain status.' | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
In the '60s, people who worked for an airline were seen as fortunate. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:24 | |
It was an exciting time and a glamorous time, if you like. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
I think the wife of a dispatcher - | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
whose job mustn't be underestimated, it was a very important role - | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
would have enjoyed a certain feeling of opportunity, glamour if you like. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:42 | |
She obviously travelled with him on their holidays | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
on their reduced rate tickets. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
I would say, yes, she may have been the envy of her friends as well. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
'Mohan is thought to have worked for TWA in the United States | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
'for more than 25 years | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
'before he and Elizabeth came to live in London in the mid 1990s. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
'But many details of their lives, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
'including how they came to accrue a £1.7 million fortune, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
'remain a mystery. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
'It's left heir Geraldine with some unanswered questions.' | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
I wonder what her motives might have been for going to America. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
She was incredibly brave, I would have thought, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
not only going to America, meeting someone from another country, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
from Pakistan, no less, getting married. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
I often wonder is that possibly why | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
no-one ever heard from her again in Ireland. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
Maybe she thought that wouldn't have been acceptable here. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
'But finding out she's an heir has given Geraldine a golden opportunity | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
'to find out more about her other relatives.' | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
One of the great benefits of finding out all about this | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
is finding out that we do have all this family. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
There's some in Canada. I believe there's some in America. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
There's people here in Belfast, for goodness' sake, I didn't even know existed. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
I'm ever hopeful that at the end, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
when everything is settled and we hear what's happening, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
that maybe we could all... get together? You never know. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
And we'll raise a toast to Elizabeth and thank her very much. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
For not only the money but for letting us get to know each other. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
'Elizabeth's £1.7 million estate will be divided between 81 heirs, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
'but the company didn't manage to sign up all of them.' | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
We've signed about 53, 54. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
So we've signed the majority of the heirs. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
Having said that, it doesn't mean we get the majority of the fees, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
because it depends on the degree of relationship | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
and how many people are in each individual part of the family. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:57 | |
'The sheer number of heirs means Geraldine's share of the estate is unlikely to be a fortune. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:04 | |
'Whatever she gets, for her, it's a welcome bonus.' | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Emigration has always been a big thing for the Irish. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
Loads of people went to America. Seems to have been their first port of call. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
And what they did when the people went away, they used to look after their families at home. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:24 | |
There was an expression when we were growing up, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
if you got money, a windfall of some description, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
"Ah! It's money from America!" | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
It's so funny now that this lady who lived in America | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
has brought all of this money back and now it's come to us. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
It's, yet again, money from America. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
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