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Heir hunters specialise in tracing the relatives | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
of people who have died without leaving a will. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Their work involves painstaking investigation. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
I'm hoping we can find someone who knew him | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
and perhaps knew where he moved to. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
They inform family members about relatives they may never have known. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
These kids could all be right, all be wrong, or half and half! | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
And sometimes they give people a whole new perspective on their past. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
We've got family we didn't even know we had. Why? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
But most of all, they tell people of an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Coming up: the two-year search for an elusive heir | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
build to a climax. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
He exists! He's alive! He's in Manchester! | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
A huge family tree | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
means the search for heirs reaches far and wide. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
We either interviewed or sent out over 70 family questionnaires. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
Plus how you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
Could a fortune be coming your way? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
It's a Wednesday morning, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
and the team at Celtic Research are desperately trying to complete a case | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
that's preoccupied them for over two years. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Case manager Saul Marks is on a mission | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
to track down one final heir who has remained elusive throughout this investigation. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
We've now managed to sign up all the heirs | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
on this estate, bar one. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
There's one gentleman left to find. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Having exhausted all other options, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Saul's only hope rests on a visit to the Manchester street | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
where the heir, David Squirell, lived some time ago. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
We don't know when he was living at this address in Manchester. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
But it appears that there are actually two addresses | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
on the same street, where this gentleman may have lived. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
And we are now on that street | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
and hopefully going to try and establish | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
whether he still lives at either of them or not. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
He's probably not here now, so I'm hoping that we can find someone who knew him | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
and perhaps knew where he moved to. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
The case Saul and the team have been working so hard to solve | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
is that of Harold Squirell. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
While Squirell is a name usually associated with Suffolk, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
Harold died in Macclesfield, Cheshire, in 2002 without leaving a will. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
The case was advertised with a value of £50,000, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
and as the team are working for a percentage of the estate, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
they need to get the case wrapped up. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Harold died at the relatively young age of 53, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
and with no known relatives, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
his details were published on the Treasury solicitor's list | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
of unclaimed estates | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
where it sat unsolved for eight years. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Harold lived in the village of Gawsworth, near Macclesfield. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
No photographs remain of Harold, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
but neighbour Joan Massey knew him and his family for many years. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
He was always, it seemed to us, a bit of a loner. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
I think Harold went working in the butcher's shop when he left school. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
But I think Harold would have preferred | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
to have gone into more technical things. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
The passing of Harold's mother, Hilda, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
some years after that of his father, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
had a profound impact on him. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
It was really tragic how Harold went. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
He went just like a hermit after his mother died. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
He started going into himself | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
and into a recluse, then. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
But the heartbroken Harold developed a passion that took Joan and other locals by surprise. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:51 | |
Harold started keeping these big birds, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
these macaws and things. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
He equipped the bedroom to have them in. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
But he was very happy, Harold was, with these birds, yes. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
And then he had his first dog. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
I think that was called Bruce. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
He loved his dogs. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:11 | |
They were his companions, then. Yes. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
Should heirs be found, Harold's £50,000 estate | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
could make a huge difference to their lives. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
But Saul sensed from the outset that tracking down living relatives | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
would be no easy task. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
You'd have thought with an unusual name like Squirell, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
that it would be a fairly easy case to solve. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
But the fact that the deceased died ten years ago | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and it was clearly worth quite a bit of money, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
suggested that there were likely to be problems with the research. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
It wasn't going to be straightforward from the beginning. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
When Saul and the team began working this case in 2010, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
they quickly established that Harold was unmarried | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
and had no children. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
As his parents had also passed away, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
the team would need to look to the wider family | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
if they were to find living descendants. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
The deceased's mother, Hilda Farrar, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
only had one brother, Thomas Farrar. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
But he died as a bachelor | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
so we could immediately rule out the chance of any maternal heirs on this case at all. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
This meant that if the team were to find heirs, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
they would come from Harold's father's side of the family. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Saul had established that Harold's father was Alfred Harry Squirell. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
But then he hit a brick wall. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Although we'd found Alfred Harry Squirell's birth, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
we couldn't really go any further than that. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
We knew his mother's maiden name was Smith, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
but we couldn't find a marriage of a Squirell to a Smith. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
That stumped us for quite a while. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
What we actually did, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
was we got hold of a copy of his birth certificate | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
and that showed us that his parents | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
were George Squirell and Nellie Smith. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
However, there was still no marriage for these people. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
This was a blow. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
If the team were to find heirs, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
the marriage certificate would be crucial in proving their connection to the deceased. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Unbowed, Saul turned to the 1911 census. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
I didn't find a George and a Nellie, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
but I found a George and an Ellen. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Nellie is an old-fashioned diminutive for Ellen. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Given that these people were the right age, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
living in the right place, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
and they were the only George and Ellen Squirell together, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
I figured they must be the deceased's grandparents. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Discovering Ellen was a breakthrough of sorts, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
but there was more bad news in store for Saul and the team. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
One thing the census said was that George and Ellen had been married for 11 years. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
And yet still we couldn't find any marriage listing for them at all. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
At this point, I got a bit desperate, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and I threw the Squirell family into a search engine | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
to see what might come of it. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Which is always a good last resort, sometimes. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
What I found surprised me greatly. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
There was a group of people | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
researching the Squirell family and Squirell surname in Essex and Suffolk | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
who were, by all accounts, very distantly related to the deceased. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
But there were so many of them that had looked into the Squirell ancestry, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
they'd formed an online group and forum called The Squirell research group. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
Having reached a dead end, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
Saul's chance discovery of the Squirell research group | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
was an extraordinary stroke of luck | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
that could help kick-start the team's search for Squirell heirs. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
One member of this group is Martin York, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
who started looking into his family history 30 years ago. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
After a family reunion in 1998, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
the Squirell research group was born. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
He's connected to the Squirells through his maternal family. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
The aims of the Squirell research group are to try and document and link | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
everybody with the name Squirell that's ever lived | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
that's of English origin. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
I was quite surprised but also very pleased to hear from Saul Marks. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
We consider ourselves decent amateurs | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
but none of us have actually done it for a living. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
And so it was quite a pleasant surprise to find that you could help somebody in these circumstances. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
But would the scope of this amateur genealogy group | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
live up to the team's heir-hunting requirements? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Saul Marks had found Harold Squirell's grandparents | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
and they were supposedly George Squirell and Ellen Squirell. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
Nee Smith. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
But there was no marriage for this couple | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
and so without a marriage, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
he had no idea if any siblings | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
existed at all. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
From our own researches on the Squirell research group, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
we knew that there was a couple called George Squirell and Ellen | 0:08:39 | 0:08:45 | |
and they had several children | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
but the mother's maiden name at birth registrations | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
was given under various names. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
This fresh perspective opened up some intriguing possibilities | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
for Saul and the team. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
If Alfred did have siblings, who would be Harold's aunts and uncles, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
then either they or their descendants | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
would be heir to Harold's £50,000 estate. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
But there were still big question marks hanging over the research, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
not least why Harold's grandmother Ellen | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
went by several different surnames. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
The problems of researching when people change their names | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
is always difficult. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
And when we were dealing with this family, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
we had the same problems that Saul faced, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
to a degree, in that we couldn't prove anything categorically. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:37 | |
Martin knew that the deceased's father appeared to have several siblings. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
But that their mother Ellen was registering them using different maiden names. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
Saul would need a good explanation if any future application to the Treasury solicitor | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
was to be successful. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
As amateur genealogists doing a one name study, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
our approach was different to that which Saul would have undertaken | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
because we were looking at a family name in total. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
Which meant that we were comparing birth registrations, marriage registrations, death registrations | 0:10:05 | 0:10:11 | |
and trying to fit these together, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
for whole groups of people. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
With this unique perspective over the Squirell family, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
the Squirell research group could play a key role | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
in the success of this case. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
What was their take on the family? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
We believe that the siblings of Alfred Harry | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
were indeed siblings because having such an overview | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
of the whole Squirell name, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
we had no other candidates | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
who could possibly be the parents. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
So even though the family were using different maiden names | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
on birth registrations, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
we felt that they must be the same couple. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
And it was interesting to note that three or four of the children | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
were registered with the maiden name of the mother as Stowe. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
Which, indeed, was actually the maiden name of Ellen's mother. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
So that gave a clue as to the real identity of these children. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
In the absence of George and Ellen's marriage certificate, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Martin's explanation would hopefully enable Saul and the team | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
to prove any claim to the Treasury solicitor. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Once we had confirmation that this was the right family as far as we could prove it, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
we started working the case as we would do our normal cases. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
With Martin's help, the team could now see that Alfred | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
was, in fact, one of nine. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
But six of his siblings died without children. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
That meant all hope rested on Alfred's oldest brothers, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
James and George. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
And fortunately, they were in luck. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Their research showed 12 potential heirs on James's stem | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
and a further two descended from George. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Today, Saul's in Manchester, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
trying to track down one of those potential heirs, David Squirell. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
He's a grandson of George and Alfred's first cousin once removed. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
My name's Saul Marks. I work for a company called Celtic Research. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
We trace the next of kin of people who have died without leaving a will. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
I'm looking for a gentleman who used to live in Flat 3, David Squirell. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
He's not here now. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
The new tenant confirms that David no longer lives here. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
But will he be able to help Saul further the investigation? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Do you know where he's gone? Have you heard of him? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
I haven't heard from him at all, no. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Do you have any forwarding address for him or number? | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
Do you know anything about him? I'm trying to get hold of him. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Wonderful. You're a star. Thank you so much. Cheers. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
He's obtained a phone number for the company who lets out the flat, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
and calls straightaway, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:41 | |
hoping they'll have information about David's whereabouts. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
I'm trying to trace a gentleman who used to live in two of your properties | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
up to just a few years ago. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Now, this gentleman, a cousin of his has passed away | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
and he would stand to inherit a portion of his cousin's estate. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
So we're keen to speak to him. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
But will they be willing to help Saul trace this long-lost Squirell heir? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
As the hunt continues, things are looking up for Saul. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
He exists! He's alive! He's in Manchester! | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Senior case manager Tony Pledger's illustrious career | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
at probate research firm Fraser & Fraser | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
has spanned 42 long years. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
But all good things must end. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
We're going to miss Tony. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
We're all going to miss Tony. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
It's very hard when you've had staff who've been around as long as Tony. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Of course we're going to miss him. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
There's a new style of cases | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
and we work now on computers. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
Everything seems to fall out very easy. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
But when you do get stuck, this is when the old hands really come in. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
It's stuff like that which is irreplaceable, really. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
One of the last cases Tony was around for | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
was that of Josephine Stewart. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
Her death in 2008 gave little hint of the enormous challenges | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
the team would face finding heirs to this £77,000 estate. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
You're probably looking for four or five different surnames | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
and someone called Jim, James, Jimmy. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
And he could be anywhere. England, Scotland, Wales or America. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
Almost an impossible task. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Josephine Stewart, also known as Jo, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
died on 21 March 2008 | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
at the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
She was 86 years old. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Neighbour of many years Joan Gilfilen | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
remembers Jo and her husband fondly. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Good neighbours. They're missed. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Good neighbours. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
I have good memories of them. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
When I first met Josephine, she would be in her 50s. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
She was a very slim person. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
And Bill was very slim. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
Very handsome couple, actually. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Josephine and Bill were particularly keen gardeners | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
and that's how Joan came to know them better in the early years. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
Josephine had a nice plot of roses. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
Beautiful roses. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
Bill was so particular | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
about his hedge. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
Dead flat. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
The hedges were cut perfectly | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
and they had to go a certain way. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
While house proud, this didn't stop them getting away to enjoy exciting holidays together. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
They used to love going down to the south coast of England. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
And various places in England on holiday. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
They had no children, no family, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
so they were free to do whatever they wanted. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
And that's what they did. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
And we used to compare notes | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
and I used to say, "Where are you going this year?" | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
"Have you booked up?" "Yes, we've booked up." "Where are you going?" | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
As Josephine passed away in Scotland, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
senior researcher Tony Pledger | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
discovered the case through a historic Scottish body | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
created in 1837. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
The QLTR is the Queen Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer department | 0:16:32 | 0:16:38 | |
of the Scottish parliament. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
They advertise the equivalent of Bona Vacantia matters in Scotland. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
Unlike the Treasury's Bona Vacantia list, which is published weekly, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
QLTR cases are released quarterly. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
There are some benefits to this system for heir hunters like Tony. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
The QLTR give much more initial information, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
including the home address of the deceased | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
so you can go straight to enquiring of neighbours | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
for family information. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
As opposed to an English matter where you have to figure out where the person was living. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:12 | |
The advertised value of this case was a lucrative £77,000. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
So Tony knew he'd have to move fast to stay ahead of the competition. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
We sent somebody to Glasgow to get the initial certificates. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
And our researcher in Edinburgh was researching the Scottish records | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
so we're liaising between the two. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
We're receiving information from our Scottish agent | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
and we're passing it on to our researcher in Glasgow. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
So it's a sort of three-way communication. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
Josephine's parents were John McLaren and Mary Casey. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
The couple had three other children. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
This was welcome news, because if these siblings were alive, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
They would be heirs to Josephine's estate. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
But the team quickly realised they were out of luck. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Unfortunately, we established that there were no living brothers or sisters | 0:17:58 | 0:18:06 | |
or their descendants. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
With Josephine's siblings having passed on, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
the team would need to turn their attention to the wider family. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
As this involves tracing aunts and uncles, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
this is a development that almost always means a lot of work for the team. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
But on this case, they faced even greater challenges, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
because the name McLaren was not an easy one to research. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
The father of the deceased, the name that he had when he was born, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
or the name given at birth, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
is recorded differently to the spelling on the marriage record | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
and other members of his family have been variously recorded as different spellings | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
of McLaren. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
McLaren and McLernon, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
there are many different ways you can write the name. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
He could have used any one of those throughout his life | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
so we have several possibilities. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Although it seems the spelling of his surname varied, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
on Josephine's birth certificate her father is listed as John McLaren. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
The certificate also records his profession as a motor car driver. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
An intriguing title from an era | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
when the motor car was still in its infancy. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
By the early 20th century, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
the age of the motor car had well and truly arrived. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
And drivers, or chauffeurs, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
were needed to pilot these new-fangled machines. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
John, whose father had worked as a coachman, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
was one of the men who entered this brave new world. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
In one generation, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
the careers of this father and son | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
would reflect just how this transportation would evolve | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
and eventually rule the road. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
The coach had been going for centuries. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
Coaches transported people to China | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
or right across Europe. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
And certainly in the Americas, North America, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
Wells Fargo, the stage coaches were famous for delivering the mail. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
In this country, the path to becoming a coachman | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
was a more humble journey. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
You'd suspect that coachmen started off working for maybe a company delivering something. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
Delivering beer, or delivering coal or furniture. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
They would have learned the trade then and gained a reputation. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
The world was very much a smaller place, I suppose. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
Someone's name was very important. That's why they put their name on the coach side. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:25 | |
If you were with a big estate, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
you'd probably spend a long period working for a large estate | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
certainly if your boss, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
the lord of the manor, was good to you, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
there would be a loyalty there. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
But while the McLaren family certificates | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
might suggest a switch from coach to car, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
the reality was rather more haphazard. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
The transition from horse-drawn vehicles | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
where coachmen were in charge | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
to the motor vehicle took a long time to develop. It didn't happen overnight. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
And there was a great confusion on the roads | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
where there were horse-drawn vehicles, whether it was one person driving a horse and trap, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
or a coach delivering items, or people on a journey, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:16 | |
they were on the same road with the early motor vehicles. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
And there weren't many rules or regulations. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
There wasn't a highway code, for example, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
so they had to make it work. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Of course, there wasn't a lot of traffic. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
So it was complicated. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
By the time our deceased Josephine Stewart was born in 1921, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
her father John and other motor car drivers | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
were well on their way to dominating our roads for good. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
Back in London, it was all hands on deck | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
as the team were looking to the wider family for heirs to Josephine's £77,000 estate. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
Various spellings of the McLaren surname were making life difficult for them. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Once you discover that there is a misspelling, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
you've got to cover those and any others that might not have been thought of. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
It's down to the fact that if it has O or A or E in it, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
they can be misread, mis-written and mis-indexed. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
However, the team were about to make a surprising discovery | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
that could have profound implications for the hunt. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
It turned out that the mother of the deceased had been married twice | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
and that the deceased was from her second marriage | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
and so the children of her first marriage | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
would be half-brothers of the deceased but therefore entitled. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Having thought that the immediate family were eliminated from the hunt, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
the existence of five half-siblings from Josephine's mother's first marriage | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
changed everything. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
If alive, these family members would be heirs, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
not relatives from the wider family they were working so hard to trace. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
Tony knew only too well | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
how important it was to trace these potential heirs. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
We don't want to carry out a load of research, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
find a load of cousins, only to find out that way back in the research, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
we'd missed an illegitimate child of the mother | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
as a half-sibling of the deceased. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
You want to try and get all the births, look at the dates, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
make sure there's no room for anyone else to fit in there | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
and to try and cover the whole of the person's life. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
This unexpected development may have opened up the possibility | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
of immediate family after all. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
But having wasted valuable time in the hunt for the wider family, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
would the competition have got to them first? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Having so far struggled to find any living relatives whatsoever, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
there are surprises in store for Tony. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
It went along very well, but because of the size of the family, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
you can't do everything at once. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Heir hunters use their specialist skills | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
to track down thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
But not all cases can be cracked | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
and thousands sit unsolved on the Treasury Solicitor's list. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Cases will stay on the unclaimed list | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
for a period of 12 years from the date the administration has been completed. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
That's the period of time that people still can come forward | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
and claim the estate. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Today we're focusing on two cases | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
that have so far eluded the heir hunters. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they've been looking for? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Sidney Thomas Capel died on 29 April 2003 in Bristol. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
So far, the heir hunters have struggled | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
to find out any more information about Sidney or his family. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Could you be related to Sidney? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Could you be in line to inherit a share of his estate? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Next is the case of Maria Bridget Howling. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
She died on 18 September 2000 | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
in the district of Canterbury with Swale, Kent. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Did you know Maria? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Could you be due a share of her legacy? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Both Sidney and Maria's estates remain unclaimed. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
If no-one comes forward, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
their money will go to the government. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Money raised through Bona Vacantia ultimately goes to the general Exchequer. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
To benefit the country as a whole. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
But it's important to remember that the Crown | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
doesn't want to grab all the estates it possibly can. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
It wants kin to be found | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
and that's what we work very hard to do. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
Here are those names once again. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
If you're one of their long-lost relatives, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
The team at Celtic Research | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
are looking for heirs to the £50,000 estate of Harold Squirell, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
still unclaimed after eight years. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
It's hard work. Everything on this case is hard work | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
but we're going to get this guy if it kills us! | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
Harold died in 2002 in the village of Gawsworth, Cheshire, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
aged just 53. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
No photographs remain of Harold, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
but villager Joan Massey knew him for many years. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
She recalls how Harold reacted to his mother's failing health. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
He left his job at the butcher's to be with his mother. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
And gradually, Hilda got a bit too... She needed more care. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:22 | |
So eventually, she came into Trinity where I worked. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
Despite being deeply affected by the death of his parents, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Joan remembers him as a transformed character later in life. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
Harold enjoyed his freedom. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
A sense of looking after his parents had gone. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Harold was free to do what he liked. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Harold had a train. He had a track in the garden. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
This train set. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
And he used to go to the meetings, I believe, sometimes. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
With help from amateur genealogists, the Squirell Research Group, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
the team discovered 17 potential heirs to Harold's estate. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
Today, case manager Saul Marks is in Manchester | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
in a last-ditch bid to contact one of them, David Squirell. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
He's proved difficult to trace, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
but finally, Saul's making some progress. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Lovely lady at the property letting company. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
She confirmed he's not at either of these two properties any more, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
which is what we'd suspected right from the off. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
She confirmed that he's not a tenant of theirs any longer. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
But they do have a file for him | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
and she's going to give him a call | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
and hopefully pass our details on. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
All I have to do is sit and wait. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
For Saul, this breakthrough has made him ever eager | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
to sign up this heir, and after just one hour of waiting, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
the suspense proves too much. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Right. I'm going to ring this lady back. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Hi. It's Saul Marks. We spoke a little earlier on. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
So the number you have for him was accurate | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
and you were able to... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Wow. That's... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
That really is above and beyond the call of duty. Thank you so much. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
I'm going to push the boundaries here. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Is it local to Manchester? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
OK. Fine. So I won't leave the area, then. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
My colleague and I will go for lunch and hope he rings me this afternoon or evening. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
She spoke to him! He exists! | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
He's alive! He's in Manchester! | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
The man Saul is looking for | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
is a grandson of Harold's uncle George. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
As one of 17 potential heirs, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
he would be entitled to a share of Harold's estate | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
which is estimated at £50,000. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
But unless the team can track him down, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
there'll be no inheritance and the case won't be finished. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
After a long wait in the car in Manchester, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
things aren't looking good. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
It's been four and a half hours now | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
since I spoke to the lady at the property letting company | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
the second time. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:01 | |
I've spent a very rainy afternoon in Manchester. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
And so far, Mr Squirell hasn't rung. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Obviously it would have been quite a shock for him to receive a phone call from her, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:16 | |
so who can blame him for taking his time in thinking about how to respond. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
But nevertheless I was hoping it would all be sorted out today, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
but it's now half past seven at night | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
and we're probably going to have to call it a day, I think. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
I imagine fairly soon. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Let's just hope that he takes his time and when he feels comfortable | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
he'll pick up the phone and hopefully agree to sign with us. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
It's six weeks later | 0:29:49 | 0:29:50 | |
and finally the team's efforts to trace David Squirell | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
have been rewarded. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
Following the involvement of the lady from the Housing Association | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
David Squirell did finally get in touch with us | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
and he did sign a contract with us. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:03 | |
So finally we're able to say that we have all the heirs in the Squirell estate. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
Another of these 17 heirs is Irene Squirell, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
whose husband Donald was a cousin of Harold, the deceased. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Before he died, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:18 | |
I knew nothing whatsoever, and neither did my husband, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
about Harold Squirell. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
But now I want to know more about him. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
I will be doing some research | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
and finding out as much as I possibly can about him. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
And it's great that I've got a little bit of money to do it with. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:41 | |
I'd have loved to have met him. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
He was part of the Squirell clan. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
And yes, I love each and every one of them. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
Irene is another Squirell genealogist | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
who has faced her own frustrations while looking into the family tree. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
I've had a lot of people helping me, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
even a gentleman from Australia. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Helping me get this tree together. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
It's a very, very difficult tree. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
The Squirells are difficult to pin down. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
Irene suspects Harold's estrangement from other Squirells | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
is related to his father's move to Macclesfield, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
away from the rest of the family. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
The Squirell family have been farming within the Essex and Suffolk border | 0:31:24 | 0:31:30 | |
for generations. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
So why he moved up to Macclesfield, I have no idea. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
I think that the father of Harold Squirell was very unusual | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
to have moved away. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
Especially as far as he did, in those days. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
Because people just didn't move too far away. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
For Saul, it's incredibly satisfying to know that after two years' hard graft, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
the team have finally been able to put this case to bed. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
It really was great to have a very satisfactory conclusion to this case. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
It really was a rarity to come across the Squirell Research Group. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
Groups like that aren't necessarily rare in themselves, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
but the detail and quality of their work | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
was very useful. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:18 | |
For Martin of the Squirell Research Group, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
aiding an heir hunter has brought its own perks. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
We're all very pleased. Our researchers benefitted not just Saul, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
to solve his genealogical questions, as it were, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
but also obviously it will be of great benefit | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
to any recipients of Harold's estate. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
So it's nice to have had a part in that, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
and to also presumably have put members of the family back in touch with each other. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
Having now submitted a claim to the Treasury, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
there's even more good news for the firm and the heirs. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
The Treasury admitted the claim | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
and when they did so, they gave us an idea of the approximate value of the estate. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
We were expecting it to come back at about 50,000. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
What they actually said is that the estate is worth about £129,000. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:12 | |
Which was a very pleasant surprise, to say the least. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
We'd done a lot of work on this | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
and it turns out that the heirs and ourselves | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
will all make a lot more money than we were expecting. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
At the offices of heir hunting firm Fraser & Fraser in London, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
the team's research into the case of Josephine Stewart | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
had initially eliminated immediate family. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
But the discovery of five half siblings looked set to change all that. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
The marriage records, the mother was married before. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
She married the father of the deceased. There were children from that marriage. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Josephine and her husband Bill | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
lived in a quite suburb of Glasgow for over 30 years | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
where they were well-known members of the community. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Neighbour Joan Gilfilen recalls warmly their priorities in life. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Their home. Their garden. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
And travel. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
That just typifies what they were. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
And they enjoyed their life. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
They were very happy together. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
But in later years, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
Josephine was left housebound by her failing health | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
and relied on ever-dutiful Bill all the more. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
He was always hurrying. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Because he had to get back for Jo. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
That's how close they were together. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
In London, the team's initial research into Josephine's family | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
had ruled out immediate family | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
and their hunt for heirs to her £77,000 estate | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
had focused instead on the wider family. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
This was proving a huge challenge | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
due to various spellings of the surname McLaren. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
But the discovery of five half siblings | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
meant that should living relatives be found, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
they would be entitled heirs | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
and the research into the wider family would no longer be relevant. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
It was vital Tony and the team traced these half siblings as soon as possible. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
You want to get all of the births, look at all the dates, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
make sure there's no room for anyone else to fit in there. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
Frustratingly for the team, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
all five half siblings had died | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and had no children. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
So the search for heirs from the wider family was back on. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
But with the spelling of Josephine's father's surname McLaren | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
varying on records, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
finding his siblings was proving extremely difficult. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
The variations in the name can cause problems. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
Because the mis-spelling of the name | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
would be recorded in a different position in national indexes | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
as to the correct spelling. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
You've got to try and cover all those mis-spellings. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
However, after hours of painstaking searches through records, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
the team had finally made some progress. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
The father of the deceased had seven siblings. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
They were all born in Glasgow from about 1876 through to the mid 1880s. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:21 | |
I know that when one of the brothers of the father died, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
the mother was the informant, and she was illiterate at the time. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
The discovery of seven paternal aunts and uncles | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
was a major breakthrough in the research. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
But the team were then faced with a new hurdle to overcome. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Josephine's aunts and uncles had all been born over a century earlier, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
which meant any living descendants | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
would be once or twice removed. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Veteran Tony knew a quirk in the Scottish record system | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
which might help them trace heirs on the mother's side of the family. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
Usually difficult as women get married and change surnames. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
It's easier to research women's names in Scotland | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
because they are recorded males and females, two separate books, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
and so you don't have to worry about the women getting married and changing their surname. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
Provided the name's good initially, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
you go straight for their death under the name they were born with | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
and when you get the certificate, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
you then find all the people she was married to. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Thanks to Tony's experience, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
the team made swift progress on the maternal side. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
They established that the deceased's mother, Mary Casey, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
had one brother and two sisters | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
all of whom had long since died. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
All three had children, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
but again, all had passed away. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
We were then able to see that as there were no first cousins of the deceased | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
it would be first cousins once removed, of which there were 60. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Having identified the cousins once removed, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
the team set about contacting the potential heirs | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
and confirming that all of their research was correct. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Once we'd established kin, after that it went along very well. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
But because of the size of the family, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
you can't do everything at once. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
With such a big family it does take proportionately longer. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
On the father's side of the family, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
the team's meticulous searching of birth, death and marriage indexes | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
had finally paid off in the hunt for living relatives. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Of the seven siblings that the father had, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
a couple of them died as infants because of the high mortality rate, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
a couple of them had two or three children and those children died out | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
and then two more only produced living descendants | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
and one of those upped and went off to America | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
and had children in America. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
Of the four siblings who got married, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
it's the 20 grandchildren and great-grandchildren | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
of just two - Mary McLernon and Rosina McLaren, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
who survive today. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
Patricia Benson is a paternal cousin twice removed, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
one of 20 heirs on the paternal side. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
She was shocked to get the call from the team. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
I'd be fibbing if I said | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
it wasn't at first thinking, "My God, this has never happened to anybody I know | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
"or any of the family." | 0:39:06 | 0:39:07 | |
My sisters, probably middle sister was the same as me, thinking, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
"Oh, my goodness! We're going to come into some money." | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
But the more it sunk in, it was more like, we could get some money, we didn't know how much it would be, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:20 | |
anything like that, but then it was, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
"We've got family we didn't even know we had. Why?" | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
It's through her father that Patricia is related to Josephine. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
There's a good reason for her lack of knowledge about this side of her family. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
I think the reason we lost touch with my father's side of the family and extended family | 0:39:34 | 0:39:40 | |
was because I moved away with my mum when my mum and dad divorced. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
So I didn't have much contact, well didn't have any contact with | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
my dad's side of the family after me and my mum moved away. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
This estrangement from her father's family | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
meant she had mixed feelings accepting the inheritance money. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
I felt a bit of a fraud taking that money | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
due to the fact that I left Scotland a long time ago | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
and didn't see my dad again. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
So to inherit some money when I hadn't been in touch with my dad | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
for years - I hadn't seen my dad over 30 years. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
You know, I felt a bit of a fraud, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
getting that money. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
It's been an epic hunt for heirs. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Overall, Tony's pleased with the outcome. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
In total we ended up with something like 88 heirs entitled in this matter. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
They were descended from the 60 first cousins once removed | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
that the deceased had. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
The only spoiler on it really | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
was the number of heirs and the amount of processing we had to do | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
to get all those together. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
After 42 years of loyal service, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
it's finally time for Tony to bow out. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
CHEERING | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Tony, you're leaving us. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:00 | |
-The day you've been looking forward to for 32 years. -42! | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
But not before boss Neil offers a few kind words of appreciation. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
We are very grateful for the time you've put in here. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
They guys here are also very pleased and very grateful | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
for how much you've been able to help them and trained them up. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
Certainly no-one else in the firm | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
who've been able to train Dominic and Joe and Aysha and Mike. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
I know that they are very grateful and so was I when I joined 14 years ago and started learning. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
You are one of the best people to actually learn from. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
By delegation, obviously. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
I think a lot of us are very grateful. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
We'd like to wish you luck in your future. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:47 | |
I think we can all have a toast to Mr Pledger. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
Thank you very much for your service with us. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
Good luck in the future. Cheers. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
I'll certainly miss him. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
But my aim's getting better! | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
I've worked with him for over 30 years, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
so I am going to miss him. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Well, I'm pleased to be going. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
Pleased that I got this far. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
But things move on and you reach a stage where you're too old for all this running about. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
This business is not like it used to be. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
It's changed a great deal. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
It's going to change a great deal more. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
And so I think I'm leaving at a good time. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
If you would like advice about building a family tree or making a will, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
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