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Heir hunters specialise in tracing beneficiaries | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
who are entitled to money from people who have died without leaving a will. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
The Treasury update their list of all their unclaimed estates every month. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
Sometimes the deceased has become estranged from their family. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Sometimes the rightful beneficiary isn't even a blood relative. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
Either way, the heir hunters make sure any unclaimed money goes to the right people. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
If we don't do the work, it's money which is going to go to the Government. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
It involves painstaking research. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
I've just got the marriage of the deceased's parents. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
But it can reunite people. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Nice to meet you both. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
It's all about getting an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
So could the heir hunters be knocking on your door? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
Coming up...the story of a Victorian couple who attracted the world's media. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
They're mobbed in their carriage. Terrific media attention. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
And I think that was a first. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
A story of enduring friendship... | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
She would do anything for my mum, she really would. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:18 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
It's early morning in London, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
and at heir-hunting firm Fraser & Fraser, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
case manager Gareth Langford and researcher Emily Talbot | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
are working a very unusual case. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Sometimes you feel like you're going round in circles. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
They're trying to trace a man called Rupert Speyer, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
who is the final beneficiary in an extraordinary investigation. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
But Mr Speyer is proving hard to find. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
It's such a good name. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
It should fall out, but it's not. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
Progress is slow. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
The team thinks he may be living abroad. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
-Is Prince Albert a place? -Mmm. -Oh, right. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
I was wondering if it was a pub! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
But today's investigation is one of the last pieces of a jigsaw puzzle | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
that stretches back more than 100 years. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Unlike most investigations, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
which start when a person dies without leaving a will, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
this case is about an acre of land in southwest Wales, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
a school and a Victorian Act of Parliament. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
You have to be very alert as to when an event happened, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
as to who the beneficiaries are going to be. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
And the investigation has taken the heir hunters around the world. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
A lot of the things that have happened in this estate are overseas. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
We're looking in Italy, possibly France, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
and America. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:47 | |
The case centres around an acre of land | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
in Llangennech in Carmarthenshire. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
It was donated in 1887, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
so the village could build a school. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
And the benefactor was Algernon Sartoris. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Algernon Sartoris was a product of his father's money and his mother's celebrity. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
He was a minor member of the landed gentry. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
His father was a Member of Parliament for Carmarthenshire. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
His mother was Adelaide Kemble. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
And she was quite a famous person in 19th-century Britain. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
She was a member of a famous acting dynasty. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Following in her family's footsteps, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
Adelaide became a celebrated opera star. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
After she married, she became equally famous as a hostess in Victorian society. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
People like Frederic Chopin, Charles Dickens, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
Frederic Leighton, all were close friends of Adelaide's. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
So Algernon would have grown up surrounded by celebrity and glamour. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Algernon Sartoris donated the land to the village of Llangennech in Carmarthenshire | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
in 1887, to build a school. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
And that sparked a community effort | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
to raise money to complete the project. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
That school has long been demolished, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
and all that remains is the land and a derelict canteen building. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
The present-day head teacher | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
has always been fascinated by the school's history. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
After being given the land, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
the local industry - the tinplate works and the miners - | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
worked very hard and donated a lot of money | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
towards the building of the school, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
together with some very rich, supportive people in the area. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
So, really, it was a village venture | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
that built the school. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Well, I've lived all my life in Llangennech, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
did attend the school... | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
..and had a good time in the school. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
The school was well attended. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
The little garden in the school, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
where we were given gardening lessons and what-have-you. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
Um, it was a community school. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
And it was a very happy school. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
The original school was built just two years after Algernon's donation. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
It closed in the early 1970s. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
All that's left is this building, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
which was the canteen. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
The original school has been replaced by two new schools in the village. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
Both are thriving today. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
We have 236 children in the school, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
all aged between...coming up fours to seven. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
When they are seven, they move to the junior school | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
and there's over 200 pupils as well | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
in the junior school. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
All the staff work very hard, and the children are very important to us. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
If the children are happy and receive a good standard of education, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
I think the numbers that attend the school reflect on that. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
Partner Charles picked up the case | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
after the heir hunters spotted an advert looking for Algernon Sartoris's relatives. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
This is a typical Schools Sites case for us. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
They are unique, in that they are specific pieces of land | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
that were given away for the creation of a school. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
The Victorians were very philanthropic | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
and it was a great philanthropic era, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
where people were giving money, or land, in this case, away for specific purposes, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
for the benefit of the wider population. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
And Victorian politicians made sure | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
that benefactors who donated land for the creation of schools were protected. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
There's a specific provision in the Schools Sites Act legislation | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
which says that once the land has stopped being used for the purpose of the school, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
then the land goes back to the original person who gave it away. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
This was a huge carrot to encourage people to give land away, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:45 | |
on the basis that, if the school failed, and they decided to close it, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
then the donor would get it back. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
The heir hunters' starting point was Algernon and his family. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
But they were going to have to delve deep into records, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
because Algernon died more than 100 years ago. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
Now, if the case can be solved, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
the land will be passed to his heirs. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
And only if the heir hunters crack the case will they earn a percentage of the estate. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
These cases are quite complex. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
Firstly because we're looking at people who were alive | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
and giving land away in the 1840s, 1850s, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
so we're often now looking at beneficiaries | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
who are perhaps five, six or seven generations down. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
There is going to be a mixture of wills | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
that we need to find, to find who the beneficiaries are. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
So we're not necessarily just looking at the blood lines. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
So the heir hunters will have to look at wills and who inherited from various estates, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
as well as following Algernon's family tree. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
The team have already unearthed a marriage certificate for Algernon, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
and the document told them something remarkable about the Englishman. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
Algernon led a privileged life growing up in Victorian Britain. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
But when he turned 21, his family sent him across the Atlantic to make his fortune. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
In 1872, Algernon was travelling to America. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
He'd been sent there by his father to go and make something of himself. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
He was an Army officer and he was travelling to America to join the British Legation in Washington, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
to take up a post in the Diplomatic Corps. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
America would have been a fascinating place to arrive in 1872. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
It was seen as a place of opportunity, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
seen as a place where a young man like Algernon | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
might be able to make something of himself. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
On the other hand, it would also have been a place which, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
compared to England at the time, might not have featured the same kind of high society, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
the same kind of glamour, the same kind of social life. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
And it was while he was on the ship the Russia, destined for America, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
that he met and fell in love with a 17-year-old girl called Nellie Grant. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
And by winning her hand in marriage, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
his own place in American history. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
When they leave to go on their honeymoon, they're mobbed in their carriage. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
Terrific media attention. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Heir hunters trace the relatives | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
of people who have died without leaving a will. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
It's their job to track down relatives to make sure they get the money. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
Otherwise, it goes to the Treasury. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
We're responsible for proving the claim | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
and to make sure the heirs get their rightful assets. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
And this was the challenge for Saul Marks from heir-hunting firm Celtic Research | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
when he picked up the case of Sarah Carson. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
This case was very, very difficult to solve, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
simply because the surnames involved were so common. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
The deceased's surname was Carson, the mother's maiden name was Sharp... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
These are very common names. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Carson is an Irish surname. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
There's lots of Irish families and descendants of Irish families in the Liverpool area, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
so there were lots of Carson families, lots of Sharp families | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
and it was really tough going. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
Sarah Carson, known as Sheila to her friends, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
died in a nursing home in Bootle, north of Liverpool, in 2007. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
She was 84. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
For the last 30 years of her life, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
Sheila's best friend was Elsie, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
and Elsie's daughter Irene recalls that it was a shared passion | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
that brought the two women together. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Sheila loved to play the piano and the organ. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
She had an organ at home. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
And my mum loved music. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
My mum played the violin in the Liverpool Youth Orchestra | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
when she was young. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Sheila would always be playing on the organ. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
If you mentioned a tune, she would sit down and just play it. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
If she'd heard it before, she could play anything. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
My mum loved dancing. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
They had about two or three evenings a week | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
that they used to go out dancing. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
They were as different as chalk and cheese. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
Sheila didn't care about clothes. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
She didn't... My mum loved clothes. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
My mum loved jewellery. Sheila never wore any jewellery. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
Sheila wasn't bothered whether her hair was styled or anything. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
She was really interested in her music more than anything else. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
Sheila was included in all of Elsie's special celebrations. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
She was my mum's friend and constant companion, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
so if it was a birthday party or Christmas, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
we would always include Sheila, and ask Mum to come along with Sheila. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
I think she would have loved a family of her own. She did love my family. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
She loved my daughter and my son-in-law and my grandchildren. She was really fond of them. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
She really did. She would do anything for my mum. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
She really would. Anything at all for my mum, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
because...Mum was such a... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
such a good friend to her. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
Heir hunter Saul Marks picked up the case in 2009. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
And like a lot of investigations, he started with very little information - | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
just Sarah's name and her date of birth. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
We were able to establish quite early on that Sarah Carson had not married | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
and didn't have any children. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
So the next step was then to look for siblings. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
So Saul would have to look deeper into Sarah or Sheila's family tree. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
If she had brothers and sisters, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
they or their children would be heirs. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
If she was an only child, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
then Saul would have to look at her parents' family to trace living beneficiaries. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Saul had a breakthrough early on. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
He found Sheila's birth certificate, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
which gave the names of her parents - | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Thomas Carson and Elizabeth Sharp. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Once we established | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
that the names we were researching were Carson and Sharp, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
really, my heart sank, because no genealogist wants to be dealing with names as common as that, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
especially together in an area where, you know, Carson is a very common Irish name. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:08 | |
Saul's next step was to find Sheila's parents' marriage certificate. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
Once he had that, he quickly discovered the names of her grandparents too. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
Sheila's paternal grandfather was Thomas Carson | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and her grandfather on her mother's side was Harold Sharp. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
But although Saul had quickly gone up | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
two generations of Sheila's family, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
he also realised he had to look further into her family tree | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
to find living relatives. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
We also established, eventually, after a lot of hard work, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
that there were no brothers and sisters, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
so we had to start looking for cousins of the deceased, who might be heirs. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
Census records showed that Thomas Carson Senior, Sheila's grandfather, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
was an Irishman from County Down, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
who arrived in Liverpool some time in the 1870s. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
He was one of tens of thousands of Irishmen who fled Ireland and its economic hardships. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
Liverpool's huge sea port was full of job opportunities. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Although the potato famine saw a tremendous influx - | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
I mean, the worst year, Black 1847, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
at least 300,000 Irish arrived in Liverpool - | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
but if you go back before that, the 1841 census, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
you've got nearly 50,000 already in Liverpool. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Which indicates, actually, that Liverpool really is almost like the capital of Ireland itself, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
in terms of its population. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Liverpool was the obvious choice for Irish people seeking work. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
Liverpool, in many respects, is the nearest place that wasn't Ireland. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
But people stay in Liverpool precisely because it's a thriving port, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
and a thriving port has got a great demand for labour. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
Newly arrived Irish migrants like Thomas, who might not have specific skills or qualifications, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
but if he's got some physical ability, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
and is there at the right time when the ships are there, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
there's a likelihood that he might get some work. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
There's no job security. There's no guarantee of labour, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
but other the other hand, to a certain extent, you're your own boss. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
The Irish immigrants dominated work in the docks, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
and that was something that was welcomed by other groups living in the city. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
Liverpool, I think, is a good example | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
of the way that migrant labour can really work rather well, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
precisely because the Irish are prepared to do the heavy, the dirty work. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
Other people could go higher up by saying, "Well, I don't do that because I'm not Irish." | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
Typical jobs would have included loading and unloading tons of cargo from the great sailing ships. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
The work would have been gruelling, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
but there were plenty of attractions | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
for people who had arrived from across the Irish Sea. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Every street corner, there's an Irish pub. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Every block, there's a parish church - an Irish Catholic church. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
The music halls are full of Irish delights. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Liverpool is the capital of Ireland in England | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
and certainly there is a degree of economic prosperity there. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Even though you might be at the bottom of the ladder, you're at least not starving. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
For heir hunter Saul, other records began to help build up a picture of the Carson family. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
The 1911 census revealed to us | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
that Thomas Carson, the deceased's grandfather, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
was born in Kilkeel in County Down in Ireland | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and his wife Mary, Mary Brown, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
she was born in Clontibret in County Monaghan, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
which is quite some distance away from Kilkeel. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
The Irish couple almost certainly met not in their homeland, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
but in Liverpool. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
And it's likely the Catholic church played a vital role. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
The church is putting on a whole range of social activities, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
again to make sure that people stay within the faith. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
So, Thomas and Mary could well have met at dances, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
sports events, a whole range of social activities, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
which were part and parcel of keeping people Catholic, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
keeping them Irish, keeping them together. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
For heir hunter Saul, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
his job was far from over. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
He knew Thomas and Mary had settled down in Liverpool, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
but did they have more than one child, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Thomas, who was Sarah's father? | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
If the answer was yes, their offspring would be heirs to Sarah's estate. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
But it wasn't going to be straightforward. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
There were a million John Carsons and James Carsons | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
in the area, all born around the same time, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
so...one step forward and two steps back. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Heir hunters track thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
But not all cases can be cracked. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
There are thousands of estates | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
on the Treasury solicitors' unclaimed list | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
that have eluded the heir hunters and remained unsolved. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
So we'll administer the estate | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
and when the administration is completed, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
we'll put the case on the unclaimed list, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
so that people may still come forward and claim it. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
But today we are focusing on two cases | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
that have come from another list of unclaimed estates, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
known as the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer List, or QLTR. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
This list is published in Scotland, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
and unlike the bona vacantia, it includes values. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Both of the names today have confounded the heir hunters. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they're looking for? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
First... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
Heir hunters have tried hard to trace his relatives | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
but so far, they've drawn a blank. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
If his beneficiaries are not found, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
his £2,798 estate | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
will go unclaimed. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
Next, can you shed any light on this case? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
The heir hunters have come to a full stop and need your help. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Are you related to Jeanie? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
Or perhaps you knew her? | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
Perhaps you are an heir | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
who is entitled to a share of her £13,000 estate. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
Both Robert Lyle's | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
and Jeanie MacGillivray's estates remain unclaimed. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
If no-one comes forward, their money will go to the Scottish Government. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Do you have any clues that could solve these two cases | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
published on the QLTR? | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
If so, you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
Heir hunter Saul Marks from Celtic Research | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
is looking into the case of retired musician Sarah Carson, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
known to her friends as Sheila. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
She died in 2007 | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
without leaving a will and with no known relatives. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
She spent her life in and around Liverpool | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and Saul has traced her family arriving in the city in the late 1800s. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
Thomas Carson, the deceased's grandfather, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
was born in Kilkeel in County Down in Ireland | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
and...his wife Mary, Mary Brown, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
she was born in Clontibret in County Monaghan, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
which is quite some distance away from Kilkeel. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
So we came to the conclusion that Thomas and Mary had actually met in Liverpool | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
as part of the Irish ex-pat community in Liverpool. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Sheila's grandparents on her father's side, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Thomas and Mary Carson, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
were Roman Catholics. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:44 | |
And faith played a huge part in their granddaughter Sheila's life. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
Sheila never missed going to church on Sundays. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
She always went to Mass on Sunday. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
But... | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
she liked to go to where they had a Latin Mass. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
So she used to get a taxi every Sunday morning to church. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
But... And I know she gave quite a lot to charity. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
And she was very pleased, because all my grandchildren have been christened | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
into the Catholic faith, because my son-in-law's Catholic. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
So, she loved it when she came to the christenings. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Anything to do with them, or First Communions. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Sheila never spoke of her family, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
But her love of music | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
did give Irene and her mum an insight into her roots. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
I think the passion from music possibly came from some of her Irish background, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
because when she was younger, she played in ceilidh bands. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
She played Irish music. It was Irish bands | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
that she got into to start off with, with the accordion. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
I presume that both her mother and father were from Ireland. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
But she never really talked about ever having been to Ireland | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
or...anything about her family in Ireland. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Heir hunter Saul has established that by 1911, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
one of Sheila's grandfathers, Thomas Carson, and his wife, Mary Brown, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
had four children - | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
James, Thomas - Sheila's father - Sarah and John. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
This was good, because there were clearly four children who had survived | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
most of their childhood and were likely to have lived out a good long life | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
and probably married and hopefully had children. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
The bad part of this was they had one first name each, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
and they were very common names, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
and there were a million John Carsons and James Carsons | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
in the area, all born around the same time. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
So...one step forward and two steps back. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Sheila's father, Thomas Junior, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
married Elizabeth Sharp in Liverpool in 1922. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
On their marriage certificate, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
it states Thomas is a marine fireman. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
The unusual job title is a clue to the massive change | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
the city's port was undergoing in the latter part of the 1800s, | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
as the great sailing ships gave way to steam power. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
This has a major effect on the docks, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
because accommodation has to be increased, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
so new docks are opened | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
and older docks are rebuilt | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
to accommodate this increasing number of steam ships. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
The steam ships become increasingly more economical, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
with new types of engine. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
They can compete with sailing ships on many of the long-distance routes. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
The fuel improvements carry on | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
through into the 1880s. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
So steamers are taking more and more of the trade off sailing ships. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Thomas Junior's job as a marine fireman | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
was to stoke the coal fire on board ships, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
which produced steam to power them. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
Working conditions for Thomas were pretty horrendous. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
It would be hot and it would be dirty. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
What he would be doing is not just shovelling coal | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
into the fire box of the boilers. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
He would be regulating that fire. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
He would be cleaning out the ashes and the clinker, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
keeping the steam pressure at a regular level. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
It was a skilled job. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
And, of course, this was all done | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
while the ship was pitching and rolling at sea. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
And this dangerous work may have taken him across the Atlantic. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
We know where Thomas lived. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
And we can make a deduction that his employment was close by. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
In which case, it's possible that he was employed | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
on one of the Cunard liners that were based around there. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
In which case, he would be sailing across the Atlantic, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
principally to New York. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
Back at the office, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Saul was pinning hopes on finding descendants of Thomas's siblings, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
James, Sarah and John. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
But it was not good news. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
We looked first at James Carson, who was the eldest brother | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
of the deceased's father, Thomas. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
He was born in 1894. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
And he signed up with the Army in 1911, which was a few months after the census. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
He joined the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
But actually, perhaps James wasn't so loyal, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
because he actually deserted in 1913. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
But he had a change of heart, and signed up at the outbreak of World War I. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
But tragically, James was wounded in France just a month later | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
and died in November 1914. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
What it did prove to us was he wasn't married. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
He'd had no children. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
So that was one branch of this family | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
where there were going to be no heirs. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
So that was a bit of a disappointment, but there were still two branches, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
in that Thomas had a sister, Sarah, and another brother, John. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
And the research into Thomas's other siblings, John and Sarah, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
Sheila's uncle and aunt, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
had been slow going. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
And so far, Saul has not been able to trace any of their living descendants. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
So once we put the Carson research on the paternal side to one side, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
we moved from Carson, which is a very difficult name, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
to Sharp, which is a very difficult name! | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
But Saul had more luck looking at the maternal side of Sheila's family. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
We established fairly early on through the censuses | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
that there were actually nine children in the family. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
Elizabeth was one of nine, so there were a number of different names | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
to combine with the Sharp surname. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
And that really made our statistical probability of finding heirs somewhat higher. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
Sheila's mother, Elizabeth, had eight brothers and sisters - | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
James, Sarah, Annie, Laura, Albert, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
George, Mabel and Mary. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
And once he had all their names, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
he started to look at their marriages. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
There was one in particular that was slightly easier than the others. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
She had a sister named Mabel, who married a William O'Connor, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
and the name combination of Sharp and O'Connor | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
was just about uncommon enough for us to be able to trace their children and grandchildren. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Saul has traced 28 heirs in all. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
One of them, Anne Blundell, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
is Mabel's granddaughter, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
and Sheila's cousin once removed. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
She will have a share in the £13,000 estate. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
It was a massive shock. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Er...because although I knew that Sheila had died, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
I know that she'd never married or anything. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
But I didn't expect anything at all. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
So, it was a massive shock to all the family. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Although Anne hadn't seen Sheila for many years, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
she still remembers her. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
Sheila had come with her accordion, and with an old tape recorder, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
the old boxed type tape recorders. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
And she'd record me and my sister singing nursery rhymes. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
And she was full of fun. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
Erm...quite a bubbly person. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
But then, after that, I don't recall anything. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
Anne and another of Sheila's heirs, Susan Getty, a cousin once removed, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
are looking forward to meeting Irene, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
who they hope will be able to fill in the missing years of Sheila's life. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
It'll be lovely to find out what she was up to. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
And...put all of the jigsaw together. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Hello. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
-This is Susan. Hello. -Hello, Susan. Lovely to see you. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
Nice to meet you both. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
Irene explains how her mum, Elsie, and Sheila were great friends over many years. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
-I think she had my mum on a pedestal. -How did she meet your mum? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
Well, because they danced. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
-Oh! -Yeah. My mum was the dancing queen. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
Oh! OK. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
And my mum really did look after... My mum was 11 years older than her. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
-My mum did look after her. -Did she? -Yeah, she did look after her. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
-She needed somebody to look after her. -Yeah. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Well, why was that? What had happened to her? | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Well, it was just that she didn't bother with herself. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
-She wasn't really interested...? -She didn't care, really. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
But my mum wasn't like that. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
My mum was the exact... They were chalk and cheese. My mum was the exact opposite. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
Well, I can tell by you - you're a very glamorous lady. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
I'm not as glamorous as my mother was, and I'm not as good a dancer. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
Sheila lost touch with her family after her mother died. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
And Irene is able to let them know what happened to her after that. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
This is a really nice one. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Aw! | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
And in turn, Irene has found out about Sheila's earlier life. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
That's her father. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
And her mother. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:44 | |
And Sheila. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
It's been fascinating. I've really enjoyed it, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
because I had no idea what she was like when she was younger. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
So it's quite enlightening for me, really, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
to be able to pass on to my family. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
I'm just glad to learn more about her. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
Cos I didn't know that she danced. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
So, erm...I'm taking away a lot more knowledge about her, her life. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
-But I'm glad that she found what she thought of as family. -Soul mates. -Yeah. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
-Like a soul mate, wasn't she? -Yeah. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
-Lovely, absolutely lovely to meet you. -It was nice. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
The heir hunters at London's Fraser & Fraser | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
are investigating the case of Algernon Sartoris, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
who donated an acre of land in the village of Llangennech in Carmarthenshire in 1887. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
Under the Victorian Schools Sites Act, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
if the donated land stops being used as a school, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
it must return to the benefactor. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
But now, more than 100 years later, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
it's a puzzle for the heir hunters to unravel. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
We need to find out who that person's beneficiaries are, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
either under a will, or where there's no will, on an intestacy. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
The old school has long since been demolished | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
and has been replaced by two new schools, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
which are at the heart of Llangennech life. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
It's a traditional Welsh village. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
Schools are growing year by year. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
Actually both schools, I would say, are full to capacity at the moment. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
13 years before Algernon Sartoris donated land, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
he was on board the ship the Russia, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
when a chance meeting with a teenage girl | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
steered both their lives onto a different course. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
17-year-old Nellie Grant was the only daughter of Ulysses Grant, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
the 18th President of the United States. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Grant also had three sons, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
but Nellie was his favourite. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Nellie Grant was born in 1855, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
in what was essentially a log cabin in Missouri. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Her father had just resigned from the US Army, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
and for the first years of her childhood, growing up, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
the family experienced quite a bit of hardship. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Her father failed at farming. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
He failed at business. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
But the family's fortunes and Nellie's fortunes took quite a dramatic turn | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
when, during the Civil War, her father, Ulysses Grant, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
rose to become head of the US Army. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
And after that, he was elected as President of the United States for two terms. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:22 | |
So, from a log cabin in Missouri, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
at the age of 13, Nellie went to live in the White House. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
He served as President of the United States from 1869 to 1877. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
But his reputation as a military leader and politician | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
is somewhat mixed. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Certainly, he lost a lot of men in the Civil War, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
but so did others, and were less successful. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
He finished the war. As far as his Presidency is concerned, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
certainly, he did not drive things through. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
Nonetheless, in many ways, for however weak he was, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
and whether or not he was a poor judge of character, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
certainly he did in many ways have a progressive agenda. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
As Ulysses Grant battled to prove his worth as President, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
his daughter Nellie was becoming something of a socialite. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
One of the things that the American newspapers says about Nellie | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
is that she might have been slightly too fond of parties, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
slightly too fond of the Washington social scene. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
And also that she was surrounded by a number of eager admirers. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
And so in 1872, both to remove her from her suitors | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
and also perhaps to enhance her education, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
the decision is made | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
that Nellie should undertake a grand tour of Europe. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
And it was on the return trip home she met the young Englishman. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Algernon would have known who Nellie Grant was, undoubtedly, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
because of her tour of Europe and her meeting with Queen Victoria. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
And so this was, in some respects, something of a coup for Algernon. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
But Algernon wasn't without his own charms. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
Apart from his own good looks, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
he was also apparently worth 60,000 a year. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Um, which equates to well over a million dollars in today's money. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
But the news was not entirely welcomed by the President and his wife. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
One the one hand, they didn't want her to leave. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
They wanted, actually, Algernon to become an American citizen, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
so that they could all live together. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
At the same time, the Grants believed that Nellie had done rather well for herself. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:28 | |
They thought that Algernon's family was rather a posh family | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
and that she was going to be leading the high life | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
in the English countryside. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
So, um... | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
Grant was prepared to write to Algernon's father | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
to find out whether he was a suitable husband or not, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
but he didn't put anything in the way of the marriage. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
The Grants did insist on a long courtship, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
and when the couple finally married two years later, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
the event captured the imagination of the world's press. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
They were so worried about the press camping outside the White House | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
that they insisted that all the curtains should be closed. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
The wedding was conducted by candlelight, the light of loads of candles. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
It was a very glamorous and lavish wedding. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
There was a lot of news about how expensive all the dresses were, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
how extraordinarily expensive and luxurious all the flowers were, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
that they were married on a carpet that had been sent by the Sultan of Turkey... | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
So tremendous interest. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
When they leave to go on their honeymoon, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
they're mobbed in their carriage. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Terrific media attention. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
And I think that was a first. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
Back in the office, the team had built up a picture of Algernon. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
They had found records showing he had four children - | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
George, Algernon Junior, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
Vivien and Rosemary. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:55 | |
George died in infancy. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:58 | |
Algernon Junior, who would have inherited his father's estate, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
had one child, Herbert. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Because this is a Schools Sites, it's all about wills. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
That's the key part of information that we need. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
Gareth is unable to find a will for Algernon Junior, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
nor for his son, Herbert, or for Herbert's grandfather, Algernon Senior, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
who donated the land for the school. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Herbert's father, Algernon Sartoris, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
now he passed away in 1907. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I think he probably passed away in France. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
It is almost impossible... | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
to obtain a copy of a will in France. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
As Herbert's father, Algernon, died over 100 years ago abroad, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
the search for living heirs is not going to be easy. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
The team will have to delve further into his family. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Herbert had seven children with his first wife, Alix Jeuffrain, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
and none with his second, Constance Poppy Richard. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Because the team can't find a will for Herbert | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
and cannot trace his children, | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
they looked at who Constance left her estate to, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
because they would be beneficiaries. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
If we can find his marriage, we can go through the wife's family. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
Records show that Constance left her estate to two friends, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
Antony Speyer and Elizabeth Blammier. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
Emily has traced one of the beneficiaries. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
We have the death certificate of Antony Francis Carl Speyer. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
It says he's born in South Africa. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
And he dies in 2004. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
So the team now has to trace Antony's son, Rupert Speyer. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
Because he benefited from his father, he is now a beneficiary in the Schools Sites case. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
We know that he was living in Bristol | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
up until about 2005. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
After that, he disappears. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
So we're thinking maybe he goes to South Africa. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
Searching abroad is always expensive, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
so Emily first turns her attention to Rupert's ex-wives. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
I know that Rupert was married three times. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
Um...and he's had children with two of his wives. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
Can't find any of them. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
So now I'm going to try and go through | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
either of the ex-wives. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
But it is while Emily is looking for them that another member of the team has a lucky break. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
They've stumbled across a business testimonial Rupert posted on the internet. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
And there's a telephone number. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
I think Dan's found an address for Rupert Speyer in Cape Town. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
So Gareth's just going to get the phone and give him a call. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
And, hopefully, that address will be right. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
But the research looks like it may be a dead end. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
So, the actual number is... | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
..is saying it's busy. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Um...from past experience today, that's not a good sign. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
But the team has had more luck looking into Elizabeth Blammier, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
the other friend Constance left her estate to. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
Elizabeth died in 2010. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Her three children are beneficiaries to Algernon's land in Wales. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
One of them, Simon Gould, was pleasantly surprised to hear the heir hunters' news. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
Gareth explained the history, going back to 1870-something, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
the fact that we weren't actually related to the individual concerned, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
but that there was a connection via my mother. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
One of the challenges I had | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
was that the name that he knew the lady as - Constance. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
I knew her as Poppy, which was one of her middle names, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
which was how we referred to her. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
But once I'd made that connection, then it kind of made sense. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
And Simon is grateful that a little-known Victorian Act of Parliament | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
will benefit him in the 21st century. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
The act involved has certainly done me a bit of a favour, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
although I don't think we'll be getting rich on it. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
There's some financial benefit, that through that rather convoluted path, they've ended up with me. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:59 | |
And there's an added benefit too. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
The fact that somehow I've suddenly become connected to the daughter of a President sounds very impressive. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
I don't think genetically that achieves much for me, but it's a good dinner party story. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
Back in the office, Emily and Gareth are still trying to trace Rupert Speyer, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
whose father Antony was a beneficiary to Algernon's grandson's estate. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
The team has found a number for him in South Africa. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
Gareth hasn't been able to get through, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
but he's going to give it one more try. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
I am hoping that you a Mr Rupert Travis Speyer. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
Excellent. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:39 | |
Finally, the search is over. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
It looks like Gareth has got his man. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
All done - yeah! | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
Woo! | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
I think he said it was half past five or six o'clock in South Africa. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
He's out by the swimming pool, he's got a large glass of whisky. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
He's very interested in what we've got to say | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
and hopefully, he'll come on board with us. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
Finding Rupert is one of the final pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
And later, by email, Rupert is signed by the heir hunters. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
So far, there are four heirs in total entitled to a share of Algernon's land. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
The research is complete and has been submitted to trustees. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
The case hasn't been valued yet, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
but the heir hunters think it is worth between £20,000 and £40,000. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
But what happened to Algernon Sartoris, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
the Victorian gentleman who donated the land in the first place, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
after marrying Nellie Grant, the daughter of a US President? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
Cracks apparently started to show in the marriage. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Algernon, it became clear, was a drinker. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
And also, there were suggestions, sometimes quite public suggestions, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
that he was something of a philanderer. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
Nellie and Algernon spent increasing amounts of time apart | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
and the fact that their marriage was not a happy one | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
became a matter of public gossip on both sides of the Atlantic. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
In one notable example, in the summer of 1883, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Algernon travelled to America whilst Nellie stayed at home in England. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
And during that trip American newspapers reported | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
that he was seen entering and leaving the house of a young English widow | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
in the middle of the night. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
Algernon died alone on the isle of Capri in 1893. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
And the American newspapers, at least, were glad to see the back of him, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
some describing him as "a vulgar bore who was cruel to his wife and children" in their obituaries. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
And so Nellie Grant was finally free from her unhappy marriage. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
The papers may have been unkind about Algernon Sartoris, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
but his act of generosity to a tiny village in Wales | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
more than 120 years ago | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
still has a lasting legacy today. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
He did a good deed for the village. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
And we have benefited, you know. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
There was good education here | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
and we have inherited two lovely schools just up the road | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
from what was started on this spot. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
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