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Heir hunters specialise in tracing beneficiaries

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who are entitled to money from people who have died without leaving a will.

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The Treasury update their list of all their unclaimed estates every month.

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Sometimes the deceased has become estranged from their family.

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Sometimes the rightful beneficiary isn't even a blood relative.

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Either way, the heir hunters make sure any unclaimed money goes to the right people.

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If we don't do the work, it's money which is going to go to the Government.

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It involves painstaking research.

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I've just got the marriage of the deceased's parents.

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But it can reunite people.

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Nice to meet you both.

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It's all about getting an unexpected windfall.

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So could the heir hunters be knocking on your door?

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Coming up...the story of a Victorian couple who attracted the world's media.

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They're mobbed in their carriage. Terrific media attention.

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And I think that was a first.

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A story of enduring friendship...

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She would do anything for my mum, she really would.

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Plus, how you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates held by the Treasury.

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Could thousands of pounds be heading your way?

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It's early morning in London,

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and at heir-hunting firm Fraser & Fraser,

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case manager Gareth Langford and researcher Emily Talbot

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are working a very unusual case.

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Sometimes you feel like you're going round in circles.

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They're trying to trace a man called Rupert Speyer,

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who is the final beneficiary in an extraordinary investigation.

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But Mr Speyer is proving hard to find.

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It's such a good name.

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It should fall out, but it's not.

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Progress is slow.

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The team thinks he may be living abroad.

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-Is Prince Albert a place?

-Mmm.

-Oh, right.

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I was wondering if it was a pub!

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But today's investigation is one of the last pieces of a jigsaw puzzle

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that stretches back more than 100 years.

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Unlike most investigations,

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which start when a person dies without leaving a will,

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this case is about an acre of land in southwest Wales,

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a school and a Victorian Act of Parliament.

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You have to be very alert as to when an event happened,

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as to who the beneficiaries are going to be.

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And the investigation has taken the heir hunters around the world.

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A lot of the things that have happened in this estate are overseas.

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We're looking in Italy, possibly France,

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and America.

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The case centres around an acre of land

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in Llangennech in Carmarthenshire.

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It was donated in 1887,

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so the village could build a school.

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And the benefactor was Algernon Sartoris.

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Algernon Sartoris was a product of his father's money and his mother's celebrity.

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He was a minor member of the landed gentry.

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His father was a Member of Parliament for Carmarthenshire.

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His mother was Adelaide Kemble.

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And she was quite a famous person in 19th-century Britain.

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She was a member of a famous acting dynasty.

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Following in her family's footsteps,

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Adelaide became a celebrated opera star.

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After she married, she became equally famous as a hostess in Victorian society.

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People like Frederic Chopin, Charles Dickens,

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Frederic Leighton, all were close friends of Adelaide's.

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So Algernon would have grown up surrounded by celebrity and glamour.

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Algernon Sartoris donated the land to the village of Llangennech in Carmarthenshire

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in 1887, to build a school.

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And that sparked a community effort

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to raise money to complete the project.

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That school has long been demolished,

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and all that remains is the land and a derelict canteen building.

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The present-day head teacher

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has always been fascinated by the school's history.

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After being given the land,

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the local industry - the tinplate works and the miners -

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worked very hard and donated a lot of money

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towards the building of the school,

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together with some very rich, supportive people in the area.

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So, really, it was a village venture

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that built the school.

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Well, I've lived all my life in Llangennech,

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did attend the school...

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..and had a good time in the school.

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The school was well attended.

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The little garden in the school,

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where we were given gardening lessons and what-have-you.

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Um, it was a community school.

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And it was a very happy school.

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The original school was built just two years after Algernon's donation.

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It closed in the early 1970s.

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All that's left is this building,

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which was the canteen.

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The original school has been replaced by two new schools in the village.

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Both are thriving today.

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We have 236 children in the school,

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all aged between...coming up fours to seven.

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When they are seven, they move to the junior school

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and there's over 200 pupils as well

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in the junior school.

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All the staff work very hard, and the children are very important to us.

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If the children are happy and receive a good standard of education,

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I think the numbers that attend the school reflect on that.

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Partner Charles picked up the case

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after the heir hunters spotted an advert looking for Algernon Sartoris's relatives.

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This is a typical Schools Sites case for us.

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They are unique, in that they are specific pieces of land

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that were given away for the creation of a school.

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The Victorians were very philanthropic

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and it was a great philanthropic era,

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where people were giving money, or land, in this case, away for specific purposes,

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for the benefit of the wider population.

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And Victorian politicians made sure

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that benefactors who donated land for the creation of schools were protected.

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There's a specific provision in the Schools Sites Act legislation

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which says that once the land has stopped being used for the purpose of the school,

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then the land goes back to the original person who gave it away.

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This was a huge carrot to encourage people to give land away,

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on the basis that, if the school failed, and they decided to close it,

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then the donor would get it back.

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The heir hunters' starting point was Algernon and his family.

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But they were going to have to delve deep into records,

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because Algernon died more than 100 years ago.

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Now, if the case can be solved,

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the land will be passed to his heirs.

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And only if the heir hunters crack the case will they earn a percentage of the estate.

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These cases are quite complex.

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Firstly because we're looking at people who were alive

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and giving land away in the 1840s, 1850s,

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so we're often now looking at beneficiaries

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who are perhaps five, six or seven generations down.

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There is going to be a mixture of wills

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that we need to find, to find who the beneficiaries are.

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So we're not necessarily just looking at the blood lines.

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So the heir hunters will have to look at wills and who inherited from various estates,

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as well as following Algernon's family tree.

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The team have already unearthed a marriage certificate for Algernon,

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and the document told them something remarkable about the Englishman.

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Algernon led a privileged life growing up in Victorian Britain.

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But when he turned 21, his family sent him across the Atlantic to make his fortune.

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In 1872, Algernon was travelling to America.

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He'd been sent there by his father to go and make something of himself.

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He was an Army officer and he was travelling to America to join the British Legation in Washington,

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to take up a post in the Diplomatic Corps.

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America would have been a fascinating place to arrive in 1872.

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It was seen as a place of opportunity,

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seen as a place where a young man like Algernon

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might be able to make something of himself.

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On the other hand, it would also have been a place which,

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compared to England at the time, might not have featured the same kind of high society,

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the same kind of glamour, the same kind of social life.

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And it was while he was on the ship the Russia, destined for America,

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that he met and fell in love with a 17-year-old girl called Nellie Grant.

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And by winning her hand in marriage,

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his own place in American history.

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When they leave to go on their honeymoon, they're mobbed in their carriage.

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Terrific media attention.

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Heir hunters trace the relatives

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of people who have died without leaving a will.

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It's their job to track down relatives to make sure they get the money.

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Otherwise, it goes to the Treasury.

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We're responsible for proving the claim

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and to make sure the heirs get their rightful assets.

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And this was the challenge for Saul Marks from heir-hunting firm Celtic Research

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when he picked up the case of Sarah Carson.

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This case was very, very difficult to solve,

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simply because the surnames involved were so common.

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The deceased's surname was Carson, the mother's maiden name was Sharp...

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These are very common names.

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Carson is an Irish surname.

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There's lots of Irish families and descendants of Irish families in the Liverpool area,

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so there were lots of Carson families, lots of Sharp families

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and it was really tough going.

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Sarah Carson, known as Sheila to her friends,

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died in a nursing home in Bootle, north of Liverpool, in 2007.

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She was 84.

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For the last 30 years of her life,

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Sheila's best friend was Elsie,

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and Elsie's daughter Irene recalls that it was a shared passion

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that brought the two women together.

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Sheila loved to play the piano and the organ.

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She had an organ at home.

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And my mum loved music.

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My mum played the violin in the Liverpool Youth Orchestra

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when she was young.

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Sheila would always be playing on the organ.

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If you mentioned a tune, she would sit down and just play it.

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If she'd heard it before, she could play anything.

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My mum loved dancing.

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They had about two or three evenings a week

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that they used to go out dancing.

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They were as different as chalk and cheese.

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Sheila didn't care about clothes.

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She didn't... My mum loved clothes.

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My mum loved jewellery. Sheila never wore any jewellery.

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Sheila wasn't bothered whether her hair was styled or anything.

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She was really interested in her music more than anything else.

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Sheila was included in all of Elsie's special celebrations.

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She was my mum's friend and constant companion,

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so if it was a birthday party or Christmas,

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we would always include Sheila, and ask Mum to come along with Sheila.

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I think she would have loved a family of her own. She did love my family.

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She loved my daughter and my son-in-law and my grandchildren. She was really fond of them.

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She really did. She would do anything for my mum.

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She really would. Anything at all for my mum,

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because...Mum was such a...

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such a good friend to her.

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Heir hunter Saul Marks picked up the case in 2009.

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And like a lot of investigations, he started with very little information -

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just Sarah's name and her date of birth.

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We were able to establish quite early on that Sarah Carson had not married

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and didn't have any children.

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So the next step was then to look for siblings.

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So Saul would have to look deeper into Sarah or Sheila's family tree.

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If she had brothers and sisters,

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they or their children would be heirs.

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If she was an only child,

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then Saul would have to look at her parents' family to trace living beneficiaries.

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Saul had a breakthrough early on.

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He found Sheila's birth certificate,

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which gave the names of her parents -

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Thomas Carson and Elizabeth Sharp.

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Once we established

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that the names we were researching were Carson and Sharp,

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really, my heart sank, because no genealogist wants to be dealing with names as common as that,

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especially together in an area where, you know, Carson is a very common Irish name.

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Saul's next step was to find Sheila's parents' marriage certificate.

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Once he had that, he quickly discovered the names of her grandparents too.

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Sheila's paternal grandfather was Thomas Carson

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and her grandfather on her mother's side was Harold Sharp.

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But although Saul had quickly gone up

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two generations of Sheila's family,

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he also realised he had to look further into her family tree

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to find living relatives.

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We also established, eventually, after a lot of hard work,

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that there were no brothers and sisters,

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so we had to start looking for cousins of the deceased, who might be heirs.

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Census records showed that Thomas Carson Senior, Sheila's grandfather,

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was an Irishman from County Down,

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who arrived in Liverpool some time in the 1870s.

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He was one of tens of thousands of Irishmen who fled Ireland and its economic hardships.

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Liverpool's huge sea port was full of job opportunities.

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Although the potato famine saw a tremendous influx -

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I mean, the worst year, Black 1847,

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at least 300,000 Irish arrived in Liverpool -

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but if you go back before that, the 1841 census,

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you've got nearly 50,000 already in Liverpool.

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Which indicates, actually, that Liverpool really is almost like the capital of Ireland itself,

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in terms of its population.

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Liverpool was the obvious choice for Irish people seeking work.

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Liverpool, in many respects, is the nearest place that wasn't Ireland.

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But people stay in Liverpool precisely because it's a thriving port,

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and a thriving port has got a great demand for labour.

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Newly arrived Irish migrants like Thomas, who might not have specific skills or qualifications,

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but if he's got some physical ability,

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and is there at the right time when the ships are there,

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there's a likelihood that he might get some work.

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There's no job security. There's no guarantee of labour,

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but other the other hand, to a certain extent, you're your own boss.

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The Irish immigrants dominated work in the docks,

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and that was something that was welcomed by other groups living in the city.

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Liverpool, I think, is a good example

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of the way that migrant labour can really work rather well,

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precisely because the Irish are prepared to do the heavy, the dirty work.

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Other people could go higher up by saying, "Well, I don't do that because I'm not Irish."

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Typical jobs would have included loading and unloading tons of cargo from the great sailing ships.

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The work would have been gruelling,

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but there were plenty of attractions

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for people who had arrived from across the Irish Sea.

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Every street corner, there's an Irish pub.

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Every block, there's a parish church - an Irish Catholic church.

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The music halls are full of Irish delights.

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Liverpool is the capital of Ireland in England

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and certainly there is a degree of economic prosperity there.

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Even though you might be at the bottom of the ladder, you're at least not starving.

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For heir hunter Saul, other records began to help build up a picture of the Carson family.

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The 1911 census revealed to us

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that Thomas Carson, the deceased's grandfather,

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was born in Kilkeel in County Down in Ireland

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and his wife Mary, Mary Brown,

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she was born in Clontibret in County Monaghan,

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which is quite some distance away from Kilkeel.

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The Irish couple almost certainly met not in their homeland,

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but in Liverpool.

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And it's likely the Catholic church played a vital role.

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The church is putting on a whole range of social activities,

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again to make sure that people stay within the faith.

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So, Thomas and Mary could well have met at dances,

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sports events, a whole range of social activities,

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which were part and parcel of keeping people Catholic,

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keeping them Irish, keeping them together.

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For heir hunter Saul,

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his job was far from over.

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He knew Thomas and Mary had settled down in Liverpool,

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but did they have more than one child,

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Thomas, who was Sarah's father?

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If the answer was yes, their offspring would be heirs to Sarah's estate.

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But it wasn't going to be straightforward.

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There were a million John Carsons and James Carsons

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in the area, all born around the same time,

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so...one step forward and two steps back.

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Heir hunters track thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year.

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But not all cases can be cracked.

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There are thousands of estates

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on the Treasury solicitors' unclaimed list

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that have eluded the heir hunters and remained unsolved.

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So we'll administer the estate

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and when the administration is completed,

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we'll put the case on the unclaimed list,

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so that people may still come forward and claim it.

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But today we are focusing on two cases

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that have come from another list of unclaimed estates,

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known as the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer List, or QLTR.

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This list is published in Scotland,

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and unlike the bona vacantia, it includes values.

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Both of the names today have confounded the heir hunters.

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Could you be the beneficiary they're looking for?

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First...

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Heir hunters have tried hard to trace his relatives

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but so far, they've drawn a blank.

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If his beneficiaries are not found,

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his £2,798 estate

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will go unclaimed.

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Next, can you shed any light on this case?

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The heir hunters have come to a full stop and need your help.

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Are you related to Jeanie?

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Or perhaps you knew her?

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Perhaps you are an heir

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who is entitled to a share of her £13,000 estate.

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Both Robert Lyle's

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and Jeanie MacGillivray's estates remain unclaimed.

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If no-one comes forward, their money will go to the Scottish Government.

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Do you have any clues that could solve these two cases

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published on the QLTR?

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If so, you could have a windfall coming your way.

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Heir hunter Saul Marks from Celtic Research

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is looking into the case of retired musician Sarah Carson,

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known to her friends as Sheila.

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She died in 2007

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without leaving a will and with no known relatives.

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She spent her life in and around Liverpool

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and Saul has traced her family arriving in the city in the late 1800s.

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Thomas Carson, the deceased's grandfather,

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was born in Kilkeel in County Down in Ireland

0:20:150:20:18

and...his wife Mary, Mary Brown,

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she was born in Clontibret in County Monaghan,

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which is quite some distance away from Kilkeel.

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So we came to the conclusion that Thomas and Mary had actually met in Liverpool

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as part of the Irish ex-pat community in Liverpool.

0:20:330:20:36

Sheila's grandparents on her father's side,

0:20:390:20:41

Thomas and Mary Carson,

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were Roman Catholics.

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And faith played a huge part in their granddaughter Sheila's life.

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Sheila never missed going to church on Sundays.

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She always went to Mass on Sunday.

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But...

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she liked to go to where they had a Latin Mass.

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So she used to get a taxi every Sunday morning to church.

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But... And I know she gave quite a lot to charity.

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And she was very pleased, because all my grandchildren have been christened

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into the Catholic faith, because my son-in-law's Catholic.

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So, she loved it when she came to the christenings.

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Anything to do with them, or First Communions.

0:21:170:21:20

Sheila never spoke of her family,

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But her love of music

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did give Irene and her mum an insight into her roots.

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I think the passion from music possibly came from some of her Irish background,

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because when she was younger, she played in ceilidh bands.

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She played Irish music. It was Irish bands

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that she got into to start off with, with the accordion.

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I presume that both her mother and father were from Ireland.

0:21:430:21:47

But she never really talked about ever having been to Ireland

0:21:490:21:52

or...anything about her family in Ireland.

0:21:520:21:55

Heir hunter Saul has established that by 1911,

0:22:010:22:04

one of Sheila's grandfathers, Thomas Carson, and his wife, Mary Brown,

0:22:040:22:08

had four children -

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James, Thomas - Sheila's father - Sarah and John.

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This was good, because there were clearly four children who had survived

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most of their childhood and were likely to have lived out a good long life

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and probably married and hopefully had children.

0:22:240:22:26

The bad part of this was they had one first name each,

0:22:260:22:30

and they were very common names,

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and there were a million John Carsons and James Carsons

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in the area, all born around the same time.

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So...one step forward and two steps back.

0:22:380:22:40

Sheila's father, Thomas Junior,

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married Elizabeth Sharp in Liverpool in 1922.

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On their marriage certificate,

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it states Thomas is a marine fireman.

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The unusual job title is a clue to the massive change

0:22:520:22:55

the city's port was undergoing in the latter part of the 1800s,

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as the great sailing ships gave way to steam power.

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This has a major effect on the docks,

0:23:040:23:07

because accommodation has to be increased,

0:23:070:23:10

so new docks are opened

0:23:100:23:13

and older docks are rebuilt

0:23:130:23:15

to accommodate this increasing number of steam ships.

0:23:150:23:18

The steam ships become increasingly more economical,

0:23:180:23:22

with new types of engine.

0:23:220:23:25

They can compete with sailing ships on many of the long-distance routes.

0:23:250:23:29

The fuel improvements carry on

0:23:290:23:32

through into the 1880s.

0:23:320:23:34

So steamers are taking more and more of the trade off sailing ships.

0:23:340:23:38

Thomas Junior's job as a marine fireman

0:23:400:23:43

was to stoke the coal fire on board ships,

0:23:430:23:45

which produced steam to power them.

0:23:450:23:47

Working conditions for Thomas were pretty horrendous.

0:23:470:23:51

It would be hot and it would be dirty.

0:23:510:23:54

What he would be doing is not just shovelling coal

0:23:550:23:59

into the fire box of the boilers.

0:23:590:24:01

He would be regulating that fire.

0:24:010:24:04

He would be cleaning out the ashes and the clinker,

0:24:040:24:06

keeping the steam pressure at a regular level.

0:24:060:24:09

It was a skilled job.

0:24:090:24:11

And, of course, this was all done

0:24:110:24:13

while the ship was pitching and rolling at sea.

0:24:130:24:16

And this dangerous work may have taken him across the Atlantic.

0:24:160:24:20

We know where Thomas lived.

0:24:200:24:23

And we can make a deduction that his employment was close by.

0:24:230:24:28

In which case, it's possible that he was employed

0:24:280:24:30

on one of the Cunard liners that were based around there.

0:24:300:24:34

In which case, he would be sailing across the Atlantic,

0:24:340:24:38

principally to New York.

0:24:380:24:40

Back at the office,

0:24:460:24:48

Saul was pinning hopes on finding descendants of Thomas's siblings,

0:24:480:24:51

James, Sarah and John.

0:24:510:24:54

But it was not good news.

0:24:540:24:55

We looked first at James Carson, who was the eldest brother

0:24:560:25:00

of the deceased's father, Thomas.

0:25:000:25:01

He was born in 1894.

0:25:010:25:04

And he signed up with the Army in 1911, which was a few months after the census.

0:25:040:25:09

He joined the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment.

0:25:090:25:12

But actually, perhaps James wasn't so loyal,

0:25:120:25:15

because he actually deserted in 1913.

0:25:150:25:17

But he had a change of heart, and signed up at the outbreak of World War I.

0:25:180:25:23

But tragically, James was wounded in France just a month later

0:25:240:25:28

and died in November 1914.

0:25:280:25:30

What it did prove to us was he wasn't married.

0:25:320:25:34

He'd had no children.

0:25:340:25:36

So that was one branch of this family

0:25:360:25:38

where there were going to be no heirs.

0:25:380:25:40

So that was a bit of a disappointment, but there were still two branches,

0:25:400:25:43

in that Thomas had a sister, Sarah, and another brother, John.

0:25:430:25:46

And the research into Thomas's other siblings, John and Sarah,

0:25:460:25:50

Sheila's uncle and aunt,

0:25:500:25:52

had been slow going.

0:25:520:25:53

And so far, Saul has not been able to trace any of their living descendants.

0:25:530:25:58

So once we put the Carson research on the paternal side to one side,

0:26:000:26:05

we moved from Carson, which is a very difficult name,

0:26:050:26:07

to Sharp, which is a very difficult name!

0:26:070:26:10

But Saul had more luck looking at the maternal side of Sheila's family.

0:26:100:26:14

We established fairly early on through the censuses

0:26:160:26:19

that there were actually nine children in the family.

0:26:190:26:21

Elizabeth was one of nine, so there were a number of different names

0:26:210:26:25

to combine with the Sharp surname.

0:26:250:26:28

And that really made our statistical probability of finding heirs somewhat higher.

0:26:280:26:34

Sheila's mother, Elizabeth, had eight brothers and sisters -

0:26:350:26:38

James, Sarah, Annie, Laura, Albert,

0:26:380:26:42

George, Mabel and Mary.

0:26:420:26:44

And once he had all their names,

0:26:440:26:47

he started to look at their marriages.

0:26:470:26:49

There was one in particular that was slightly easier than the others.

0:26:500:26:53

She had a sister named Mabel, who married a William O'Connor,

0:26:530:26:57

and the name combination of Sharp and O'Connor

0:26:570:27:00

was just about uncommon enough for us to be able to trace their children and grandchildren.

0:27:000:27:04

Saul has traced 28 heirs in all.

0:27:060:27:08

One of them, Anne Blundell,

0:27:080:27:10

is Mabel's granddaughter,

0:27:100:27:12

and Sheila's cousin once removed.

0:27:120:27:14

She will have a share in the £13,000 estate.

0:27:140:27:17

It was a massive shock.

0:27:190:27:21

Er...because although I knew that Sheila had died,

0:27:210:27:24

I know that she'd never married or anything.

0:27:240:27:27

But I didn't expect anything at all.

0:27:270:27:31

So, it was a massive shock to all the family.

0:27:310:27:35

Although Anne hadn't seen Sheila for many years,

0:27:350:27:39

she still remembers her.

0:27:390:27:40

Sheila had come with her accordion, and with an old tape recorder,

0:27:420:27:45

the old boxed type tape recorders.

0:27:450:27:48

And she'd record me and my sister singing nursery rhymes.

0:27:480:27:52

And she was full of fun.

0:27:520:27:54

Erm...quite a bubbly person.

0:27:550:27:57

But then, after that, I don't recall anything.

0:27:570:28:02

Anne and another of Sheila's heirs, Susan Getty, a cousin once removed,

0:28:080:28:11

are looking forward to meeting Irene,

0:28:110:28:14

who they hope will be able to fill in the missing years of Sheila's life.

0:28:140:28:17

It'll be lovely to find out what she was up to.

0:28:190:28:21

And...put all of the jigsaw together.

0:28:210:28:25

-Nice to meet you.

-Hello.

0:28:250:28:26

-This is Susan. Hello.

-Hello, Susan. Lovely to see you.

0:28:260:28:30

Nice to meet you both.

0:28:300:28:31

Irene explains how her mum, Elsie, and Sheila were great friends over many years.

0:28:310:28:36

-I think she had my mum on a pedestal.

-How did she meet your mum?

0:28:370:28:41

Well, because they danced.

0:28:410:28:43

-Oh!

-Yeah. My mum was the dancing queen.

0:28:430:28:47

Oh! OK.

0:28:470:28:49

And my mum really did look after... My mum was 11 years older than her.

0:28:490:28:53

-My mum did look after her.

-Did she?

-Yeah, she did look after her.

0:28:530:28:57

-She needed somebody to look after her.

-Yeah.

0:28:570:28:59

Well, why was that? What had happened to her?

0:28:590:29:02

Well, it was just that she didn't bother with herself.

0:29:020:29:05

-She wasn't really interested...?

-She didn't care, really.

0:29:050:29:09

But my mum wasn't like that.

0:29:090:29:10

My mum was the exact... They were chalk and cheese. My mum was the exact opposite.

0:29:100:29:14

Well, I can tell by you - you're a very glamorous lady.

0:29:140:29:17

I'm not as glamorous as my mother was, and I'm not as good a dancer.

0:29:170:29:21

Sheila lost touch with her family after her mother died.

0:29:220:29:26

And Irene is able to let them know what happened to her after that.

0:29:260:29:30

This is a really nice one.

0:29:300:29:32

Aw!

0:29:330:29:35

And in turn, Irene has found out about Sheila's earlier life.

0:29:360:29:40

That's her father.

0:29:400:29:41

And her mother.

0:29:430:29:44

And Sheila.

0:29:450:29:46

It's been fascinating. I've really enjoyed it,

0:29:470:29:49

because I had no idea what she was like when she was younger.

0:29:490:29:52

So it's quite enlightening for me, really,

0:29:520:29:54

to be able to pass on to my family.

0:29:540:29:56

I'm just glad to learn more about her.

0:29:580:30:00

Cos I didn't know that she danced.

0:30:000:30:03

So, erm...I'm taking away a lot more knowledge about her, her life.

0:30:030:30:08

-But I'm glad that she found what she thought of as family.

-Soul mates.

-Yeah.

0:30:080:30:13

-Like a soul mate, wasn't she?

-Yeah.

0:30:130:30:15

-Lovely, absolutely lovely to meet you.

-It was nice.

0:30:150:30:18

The heir hunters at London's Fraser & Fraser

0:30:270:30:30

are investigating the case of Algernon Sartoris,

0:30:300:30:33

who donated an acre of land in the village of Llangennech in Carmarthenshire in 1887.

0:30:330:30:38

Under the Victorian Schools Sites Act,

0:30:390:30:42

if the donated land stops being used as a school,

0:30:420:30:45

it must return to the benefactor.

0:30:450:30:47

But now, more than 100 years later,

0:30:470:30:50

it's a puzzle for the heir hunters to unravel.

0:30:500:30:52

We need to find out who that person's beneficiaries are,

0:30:530:30:56

either under a will, or where there's no will, on an intestacy.

0:30:560:31:00

The old school has long since been demolished

0:31:010:31:03

and has been replaced by two new schools,

0:31:030:31:06

which are at the heart of Llangennech life.

0:31:060:31:08

It's a traditional Welsh village.

0:31:080:31:12

Schools are growing year by year.

0:31:120:31:14

Actually both schools, I would say, are full to capacity at the moment.

0:31:140:31:19

13 years before Algernon Sartoris donated land,

0:31:210:31:25

he was on board the ship the Russia,

0:31:250:31:27

when a chance meeting with a teenage girl

0:31:270:31:29

steered both their lives onto a different course.

0:31:290:31:32

17-year-old Nellie Grant was the only daughter of Ulysses Grant,

0:31:340:31:38

the 18th President of the United States.

0:31:380:31:41

Grant also had three sons,

0:31:410:31:43

but Nellie was his favourite.

0:31:430:31:45

Nellie Grant was born in 1855,

0:31:470:31:49

in what was essentially a log cabin in Missouri.

0:31:490:31:52

Her father had just resigned from the US Army,

0:31:520:31:56

and for the first years of her childhood, growing up,

0:31:560:31:59

the family experienced quite a bit of hardship.

0:31:590:32:01

Her father failed at farming.

0:32:010:32:03

He failed at business.

0:32:030:32:05

But the family's fortunes and Nellie's fortunes took quite a dramatic turn

0:32:050:32:09

when, during the Civil War, her father, Ulysses Grant,

0:32:090:32:14

rose to become head of the US Army.

0:32:140:32:16

And after that, he was elected as President of the United States for two terms.

0:32:160:32:22

So, from a log cabin in Missouri,

0:32:220:32:25

at the age of 13, Nellie went to live in the White House.

0:32:250:32:29

He served as President of the United States from 1869 to 1877.

0:32:300:32:35

But his reputation as a military leader and politician

0:32:350:32:39

is somewhat mixed.

0:32:390:32:41

Certainly, he lost a lot of men in the Civil War,

0:32:430:32:46

but so did others, and were less successful.

0:32:460:32:49

He finished the war. As far as his Presidency is concerned,

0:32:490:32:52

certainly, he did not drive things through.

0:32:520:32:55

Nonetheless, in many ways, for however weak he was,

0:32:550:32:59

and whether or not he was a poor judge of character,

0:32:590:33:02

certainly he did in many ways have a progressive agenda.

0:33:020:33:06

As Ulysses Grant battled to prove his worth as President,

0:33:070:33:10

his daughter Nellie was becoming something of a socialite.

0:33:100:33:14

One of the things that the American newspapers says about Nellie

0:33:140:33:17

is that she might have been slightly too fond of parties,

0:33:170:33:20

slightly too fond of the Washington social scene.

0:33:200:33:23

And also that she was surrounded by a number of eager admirers.

0:33:230:33:27

And so in 1872, both to remove her from her suitors

0:33:270:33:32

and also perhaps to enhance her education,

0:33:320:33:34

the decision is made

0:33:340:33:35

that Nellie should undertake a grand tour of Europe.

0:33:350:33:38

And it was on the return trip home she met the young Englishman.

0:33:380:33:42

Algernon would have known who Nellie Grant was, undoubtedly,

0:33:420:33:46

because of her tour of Europe and her meeting with Queen Victoria.

0:33:460:33:50

And so this was, in some respects, something of a coup for Algernon.

0:33:500:33:55

But Algernon wasn't without his own charms.

0:33:550:33:57

Apart from his own good looks,

0:33:570:34:00

he was also apparently worth 60,000 a year.

0:34:000:34:04

Um, which equates to well over a million dollars in today's money.

0:34:040:34:08

But the news was not entirely welcomed by the President and his wife.

0:34:090:34:13

One the one hand, they didn't want her to leave.

0:34:130:34:16

They wanted, actually, Algernon to become an American citizen,

0:34:160:34:20

so that they could all live together.

0:34:200:34:22

At the same time, the Grants believed that Nellie had done rather well for herself.

0:34:220:34:28

They thought that Algernon's family was rather a posh family

0:34:280:34:31

and that she was going to be leading the high life

0:34:310:34:34

in the English countryside.

0:34:340:34:36

So, um...

0:34:360:34:37

Grant was prepared to write to Algernon's father

0:34:370:34:41

to find out whether he was a suitable husband or not,

0:34:410:34:43

but he didn't put anything in the way of the marriage.

0:34:430:34:47

The Grants did insist on a long courtship,

0:34:480:34:51

and when the couple finally married two years later,

0:34:510:34:53

the event captured the imagination of the world's press.

0:34:530:34:57

They were so worried about the press camping outside the White House

0:34:590:35:03

that they insisted that all the curtains should be closed.

0:35:030:35:07

The wedding was conducted by candlelight, the light of loads of candles.

0:35:070:35:11

It was a very glamorous and lavish wedding.

0:35:110:35:15

There was a lot of news about how expensive all the dresses were,

0:35:150:35:18

how extraordinarily expensive and luxurious all the flowers were,

0:35:180:35:22

that they were married on a carpet that had been sent by the Sultan of Turkey...

0:35:220:35:28

So tremendous interest.

0:35:280:35:31

When they leave to go on their honeymoon,

0:35:310:35:33

they're mobbed in their carriage.

0:35:330:35:36

Terrific media attention.

0:35:360:35:38

And I think that was a first.

0:35:380:35:40

Back in the office, the team had built up a picture of Algernon.

0:35:450:35:48

They had found records showing he had four children -

0:35:480:35:51

George, Algernon Junior,

0:35:510:35:54

Vivien and Rosemary.

0:35:540:35:55

George died in infancy.

0:35:570:35:58

Algernon Junior, who would have inherited his father's estate,

0:35:580:36:02

had one child, Herbert.

0:36:020:36:04

Because this is a Schools Sites, it's all about wills.

0:36:050:36:08

That's the key part of information that we need.

0:36:080:36:11

Gareth is unable to find a will for Algernon Junior,

0:36:110:36:14

nor for his son, Herbert, or for Herbert's grandfather, Algernon Senior,

0:36:140:36:18

who donated the land for the school.

0:36:180:36:21

Herbert's father, Algernon Sartoris,

0:36:210:36:24

now he passed away in 1907.

0:36:240:36:26

I think he probably passed away in France.

0:36:260:36:29

It is almost impossible...

0:36:290:36:31

to obtain a copy of a will in France.

0:36:310:36:34

As Herbert's father, Algernon, died over 100 years ago abroad,

0:36:360:36:39

the search for living heirs is not going to be easy.

0:36:390:36:42

The team will have to delve further into his family.

0:36:440:36:46

Herbert had seven children with his first wife, Alix Jeuffrain,

0:36:460:36:51

and none with his second, Constance Poppy Richard.

0:36:510:36:54

Because the team can't find a will for Herbert

0:36:550:36:58

and cannot trace his children,

0:36:580:36:59

they looked at who Constance left her estate to,

0:36:590:37:02

because they would be beneficiaries.

0:37:020:37:04

If we can find his marriage, we can go through the wife's family.

0:37:040:37:08

Records show that Constance left her estate to two friends,

0:37:080:37:12

Antony Speyer and Elizabeth Blammier.

0:37:120:37:15

Emily has traced one of the beneficiaries.

0:37:150:37:17

We have the death certificate of Antony Francis Carl Speyer.

0:37:170:37:22

It says he's born in South Africa.

0:37:220:37:24

And he dies in 2004.

0:37:240:37:27

So the team now has to trace Antony's son, Rupert Speyer.

0:37:280:37:32

Because he benefited from his father, he is now a beneficiary in the Schools Sites case.

0:37:320:37:37

We know that he was living in Bristol

0:37:390:37:42

up until about 2005.

0:37:420:37:44

After that, he disappears.

0:37:440:37:47

So we're thinking maybe he goes to South Africa.

0:37:470:37:50

Searching abroad is always expensive,

0:37:500:37:54

so Emily first turns her attention to Rupert's ex-wives.

0:37:540:37:57

I know that Rupert was married three times.

0:37:590:38:01

Um...and he's had children with two of his wives.

0:38:010:38:05

Can't find any of them.

0:38:060:38:08

So now I'm going to try and go through

0:38:080:38:11

either of the ex-wives.

0:38:110:38:13

But it is while Emily is looking for them that another member of the team has a lucky break.

0:38:140:38:19

They've stumbled across a business testimonial Rupert posted on the internet.

0:38:190:38:23

And there's a telephone number.

0:38:230:38:25

I think Dan's found an address for Rupert Speyer in Cape Town.

0:38:250:38:30

So Gareth's just going to get the phone and give him a call.

0:38:300:38:33

And, hopefully, that address will be right.

0:38:330:38:36

But the research looks like it may be a dead end.

0:38:360:38:39

So, the actual number is...

0:38:410:38:43

..is saying it's busy.

0:38:440:38:46

Um...from past experience today, that's not a good sign.

0:38:460:38:50

But the team has had more luck looking into Elizabeth Blammier,

0:38:520:38:55

the other friend Constance left her estate to.

0:38:550:38:58

Elizabeth died in 2010.

0:38:590:39:01

Her three children are beneficiaries to Algernon's land in Wales.

0:39:010:39:05

One of them, Simon Gould, was pleasantly surprised to hear the heir hunters' news.

0:39:050:39:10

Gareth explained the history, going back to 1870-something,

0:39:120:39:15

the fact that we weren't actually related to the individual concerned,

0:39:150:39:20

but that there was a connection via my mother.

0:39:200:39:23

One of the challenges I had

0:39:230:39:26

was that the name that he knew the lady as - Constance.

0:39:260:39:30

I knew her as Poppy, which was one of her middle names,

0:39:300:39:34

which was how we referred to her.

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But once I'd made that connection, then it kind of made sense.

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And Simon is grateful that a little-known Victorian Act of Parliament

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will benefit him in the 21st century.

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The act involved has certainly done me a bit of a favour,

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although I don't think we'll be getting rich on it.

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There's some financial benefit, that through that rather convoluted path, they've ended up with me.

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And there's an added benefit too.

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The fact that somehow I've suddenly become connected to the daughter of a President sounds very impressive.

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I don't think genetically that achieves much for me, but it's a good dinner party story.

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Back in the office, Emily and Gareth are still trying to trace Rupert Speyer,

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whose father Antony was a beneficiary to Algernon's grandson's estate.

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The team has found a number for him in South Africa.

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Gareth hasn't been able to get through,

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but he's going to give it one more try.

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I am hoping that you a Mr Rupert Travis Speyer.

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Excellent.

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Finally, the search is over.

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It looks like Gareth has got his man.

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All done - yeah!

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Woo!

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I think he said it was half past five or six o'clock in South Africa.

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He's out by the swimming pool, he's got a large glass of whisky.

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He's very interested in what we've got to say

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and hopefully, he'll come on board with us.

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Finding Rupert is one of the final pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.

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And later, by email, Rupert is signed by the heir hunters.

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So far, there are four heirs in total entitled to a share of Algernon's land.

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The research is complete and has been submitted to trustees.

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The case hasn't been valued yet,

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but the heir hunters think it is worth between £20,000 and £40,000.

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But what happened to Algernon Sartoris,

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the Victorian gentleman who donated the land in the first place,

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after marrying Nellie Grant, the daughter of a US President?

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Cracks apparently started to show in the marriage.

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Algernon, it became clear, was a drinker.

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And also, there were suggestions, sometimes quite public suggestions,

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that he was something of a philanderer.

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Nellie and Algernon spent increasing amounts of time apart

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and the fact that their marriage was not a happy one

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became a matter of public gossip on both sides of the Atlantic.

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In one notable example, in the summer of 1883,

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Algernon travelled to America whilst Nellie stayed at home in England.

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And during that trip American newspapers reported

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that he was seen entering and leaving the house of a young English widow

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in the middle of the night.

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Algernon died alone on the isle of Capri in 1893.

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And the American newspapers, at least, were glad to see the back of him,

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some describing him as "a vulgar bore who was cruel to his wife and children" in their obituaries.

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And so Nellie Grant was finally free from her unhappy marriage.

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The papers may have been unkind about Algernon Sartoris,

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but his act of generosity to a tiny village in Wales

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more than 120 years ago

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still has a lasting legacy today.

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He did a good deed for the village.

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And we have benefited, you know.

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There was good education here

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and we have inherited two lovely schools just up the road

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from what was started on this spot.

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