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Heir hunters specialise in tracking down people who are entitled to money | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
left by relatives who have passed away without making a will. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Often the family members they find | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
have no idea they're in line to inherit. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
I was absolutely gobsmacked! | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Their work involves expert research. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
These don't lie. Computers miss things off, annotate it differently. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
This is the Bible. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
And can bring to life fascinating family histories. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
The word "Vic Robinson" was like | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
someone talking about David Beckham in footballing terms. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
But most of all, it's about giving news of an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Coming up... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
The remarkable story of how one man's champion pigeons | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
played a vital role in Britain's war effort. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Many lives were saved through racing pigeons coming back | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
through bullet wounds, snow, fog, to bring vital messages back. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
And one heir gets a much longed-for chance to explore more about his past. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
If your parents die when you're young, you don't really... | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
appreciate how important it is just to ask them about their lives. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
It's Thursday morning in the London office of heir-hunting firm Fraser & Fraser, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
and the team are busy working on various cases | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
advertised on the Treasury's bona vacantia list of unclaimed estates. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
One case in particular has caught the eye of boss Neil. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
We're going to be looking at the case of Ian Urquhart Fraser. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Died in 2011. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Um...owns a property in the Barbican, a flat in the Barbican. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
So value-wise, we're talking about an estate of probably £250,000. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
Or more. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
The Barbican estate is in a prime location in the City of London, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
where homes command high prices. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
And with such a potentially valuable case, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
the team will be giving it everything they've got to find heirs and get their commission. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
Ian Urquhart Fraser died in London on the 1st of September 2011. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
He was 85 years old. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
John Whitehead was a friend and neighbour. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
I think when Ian moved into the Barbican, it suited him down to the ground. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
I think it provided him with a nice little bolt-hole. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
It's surprisingly quiet and private around here. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
He lived in a simple studio flat. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
And he largely kept himself to himself. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
When you got to know him, it was really worthwhile. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
It took a long time to get to know Ian. He was a very private man. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
But he was great fun. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
Until the last, Ian was also a modest man. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
The funeral was arranged by Bart's Hospital. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Myself and a small group of friends went along. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
It was a very simple service, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
but the coffin did arrive in a Rolls-Royce hearse, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
which would have amused him. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
I don't know if he often travelled in Rolls Royces! | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Ian was a man of simple tastes. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
Back in the office, it's early days in the search for Ian's heirs. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
The middle name is quite unusual. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
It is a Scottish name. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Fraser is a Scottish name as well, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
and Ian is also Scottish. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
So my feeling on this... We're going back to Scotland. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
As this case has been published on the Treasury solicitors' list, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
there's a strong chance that a rival firm will also be trying to crack it. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
So the team need to work fast to reach heirs before the competition. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
They begin by looking for any records that could relate to Ian. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Basically, between 1901 and 1911, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
I've done marriages and deaths and found nothing. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
And already, the pressure is mounting. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
It's normally a bad day when we're using the microfiches this much, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
to be perfectly honest. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
But it's not long before Neil and the team make a significant breakthrough. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
They've found an online obituary for Ian, and it's got them off to a flying start. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
This gives us quite a lot of information. It's written by... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
the RCS, which is the Royal College of Surgeons. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
It says here that Ian was a lecturer from London, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
and he was born in Bangkok in 1926. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
This is really vital for us. It tells us that Ian's been born in Bangkok. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
No matter where we look in our records here, we shouldn't really find a birth for him. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
And that's not all. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
And at the bottom it says, "Ian was an intensely private person who sadly did not have any immediate family." | 0:04:19 | 0:04:26 | |
But the heir hunters can't just take the obituary's word for it. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
We've also had a little look round, and we can't find a marriage for him, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
we can't find anything else for him. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
As Ian died a bachelor, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
the team have also looked for any brothers or sisters of his. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
They've traced his parents, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Elizabeth Maria Reilly and John Urquhart Fraser. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Using their names, a search of birth records has revealed that Ian was an only child. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
So they're now set on finding aunts, uncles and cousins | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
who, if they're still alive, would be heirs to Ian's estate. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
We've got a Thomas Reilly. Elizabeth... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
And already they've made some great headway. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
We've been able to establish that, er... | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
the deceased's father's family, which originates from Scotland, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
is dead. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
The deceased's father had one sibling who died in infancy. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
There's no paternal heirs. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
It seems the team's only hope of finding any heirs now | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
lies on Ian's mother's side of the family. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
On the Reilly family, the maternal family, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
we've got the top line birth, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
so we now know that we are definitely looking at the right family. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
The team discover that Ian's mother, Elizabeth Maria Reilly | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
was one of six children. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Research has shown that her brothers, Richard and Thomas, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
died before they had any children. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
So there are three potential lines that the team are chasing. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
One is immediately proving tricky. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Florence is the oldest child. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
She's the only one without a middle name | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
and her surname of Reilly is particularly hard to find. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
So experienced manager Dom settles down at the microfilm | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
and begins to look into what happened to Florence | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
and find out if she had any descendants. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
We found the family on the 1891 census, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
when Florence, the missing aunt of the deceased, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
would have been five or six years old. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
And she's not on it. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
And what that indicates is that she very likely could have passed away | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
as a child. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
But they've found nothing to prove this theory so far. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Unfortunately, on the computers, there's no deaths that match up, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
which is the way these things always go. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
So we're now just looking manually on the tapes | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
to see if we can find the death record for her. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
I'd be very surprised if she isn't dead, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
but... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
we shall see. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
For Dom, who's used to the instant results of online record-searching, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
it's proving a laborious process. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
You suddenly remember how much you don't miss these machines. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
It's just so slow. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
As Dom searches through the records, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
things aren't looking good. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
We can't find anything on her at all. I have a horrible feeling | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
that she's going to be one of those people that just completely falls off the records. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
It looks like it's back to the drawing board. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
We've now done a search manually of the tapes | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
to see if we can find her death in that five- or six-year period | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
and there doesn't appear to be one. Um... | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
So that could be that theory out of the window. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
Perhaps she was staying with her grandparents, or something like that, when the census was taken. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
As it seems she survived into adult life, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Dom and the team will now have to search for her marriage | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
and any children she might have. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Meanwhile, it looks like Dave has made a breakthrough on a different stem. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
He's discovered that another of Ian's aunts, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Mary Platt Reilly, married and had two children. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
If they're still alive, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
these cousins of Ian's would be heirs to his estate. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
Dave thinks he knows what's happened to one of them. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
We have a potential beneficiary, whose birth, when registered, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
was just as "male". | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Normally, that's an indication of a child that unfortunately, is going to die in infancy. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
You don't name the child, because it dies at birth. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
But the team have already looked for a death record online, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and found none. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
Dave, however, isn't giving up that easily. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
It's really rare | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
to register a birth of your child as "male" or "female" | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
and that child survives infancy | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
and then goes on to be given a name later on. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
It happens, but it's very rare. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
I'm going to check the deaths, because I've got a sneaking feeling | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
that it's there. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Finally, he finds the answer. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
He dies in infancy. It's there. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
And THAT is the argument against computers. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
It's there! | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
Spot-on, but the computer never found it. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
It's a clear victory for Dave and the old school. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
All the youngsters like to moan about us old ones talking about going back to using these, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
but these are the records. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
These don't lie. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Computers miss things off, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
annotate it differently. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
This is the Bible. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
This is the way. Proper research. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Having established that this child died in infancy, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Dave now turns his attention to Ian's other cousin, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
John Carr Forsyth. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
Once his death record reveals that John died in 1981, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
Dave manages to trace his two sons, who are next in line to inherit. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
These are the first heirs they've found on this very valuable case. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
And with the threat of competition from rival firms, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
they need to move fast. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
But try as he might, Dave can't get hold of one of the heirs, Simon Forsyth, on the phone. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
So Dave desperately tries to get hold of senior travelling researcher Ewart Lindsay | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
in the hope that he can pay a visit to him in person. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Ewart, Dave Slee. Urgent, urgent, urgent. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Need you to go down and see a beneficiary on the Fraser estate, near Bath. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
Can you give me a call as soon as you get this message? Thank you very much. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
Whilst Dave waits anxiously for his calls to be returned, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Alan gives him an update on the rest of the family. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
We have had a bit of luck with Florence. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
In 1911, she was a servant in Gosforth. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Gosforth is just a bit further north than Newcastle. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
We've got a marriage in 1917. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
She dies in 1920. No issue. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
All in the right area. She's the right age. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Finally, it seems they've got to the bottom of what happened to Ian's paternal aunt, Florence. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Florence, it appears, marries a William Ford | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
and dies young. Some of this family seem to die fairly young. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
She dies childless, so there's no descendants on that line. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
It's a big step forward for the company | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and they have only one more stem left to trace. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
But as the team get ever closer to signing up the heirs... | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Father and mother returned to England and both passed away in Scarborough, is that correct? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
..Ewart begins to wonder if he's heading down the wrong path. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
It's just... It's just a very, very... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
tiny track. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
HE TOOTS HORN | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
In the course of their research, heir hunters can often come across fascinating family histories. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
But when Kevin Edmondson, senior case manager at heir-hunting firm Hoopers, and his team | 0:11:26 | 0:11:32 | |
took on the case of Jean Chainey, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
they had no idea they were about to delve into her father's legendary career. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
Several of the paternal heirs | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
mentioned to us that he was well-known to them | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
as Vic Robinson, the champion pigeon-fancier. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Jean Irene Chainey | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
died in Shropshire on the 23rd of December 2011, aged 83. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
Neighbours Bernard and Yvonne Mitchell knew her for over 20 years. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
She was an outdoor type in her younger years. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
She probably was a tomboy. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
And she carried on into her later life. She liked her sport. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
She was... | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
always on about Southampton Football Club. She followed the football | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
and cricket. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Sport in general. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
Jean lived with her husband, Peter, and it seemed they had a very close relationship. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
Unless they were at work, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
they always used to go off together, shopping, the lot. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Not one stop at home and the other one went. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
They always went off together, didn't they? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Take the dogs in the back and all, like. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
I think they always had dogs. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
They were like their children, really. They never had a family. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Peter's death in 2009 had a significant impact on Jean. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
When Peter died, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
I think she'd lost her companion, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
and she sort of just shut herself away. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
She wouldn't answer the door. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
She would talk, but she wouldn't let you in, if you know what I mean. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Um... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
She just wanted to be on her own. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
But Yvonne and Bernard will always remember Jean as a very intelligent lady. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
From the way she came across, she must have had a good grounding as regards education. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
Because she was a very knowledgeable lady. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
Up until, I would say, later in life, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
she still had all her faculties. She was very sharp. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Though they knew little about Jean's background, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
one thing did stand out. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
She was her daddy's girl. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
She didn't really say a lot about her mum, I must admit. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
She was always Daddy's girl. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
Her father, I would think, was quite a prominent person | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
where she was brought up. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
She did say to us that her father was one of the first people to have a motor car. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
As Jean died without making a will, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
her estate appeared on the Treasury solicitors' list, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
where Kevin and the team spotted it and started their investigation. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
One of the first things we look for is to see whether | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
the person who has died did own a property. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
Using her last known address, Kevin quickly ran some searches. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
We saw on land registry records | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
that Jean Chainey was the owner of the property that she'd been living in. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
We did check property values in the area | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and we thought that the value of the property on its own | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
might be about £120,000. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Now he'd got a better idea of the value of the estate, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
the search for heirs could begin. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
Jean was described on the Treasury solicitors' website | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
as a widow, but we had to make sure that was indeed the case. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
So our first step was to find the death record | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
of her husband, Peter Chainey. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
And we found out that he died just a couple of years before her. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
The team's next step was to look to see if she had any children | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
and as it transpired, Jean had been married once before, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
so they had to look for children born with either surname. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
This involves us searching the national birth records, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
where the births are indexed under surname | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
and the mother's maiden surname. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
So we were quite quickly able to establish that there were no children | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
from either marriage. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
He now needed to find out if Jean had any brothers or sisters who could be in line to inherit. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
To find them, he first had to trace the names of her parents. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
We obtained a copy of Jean's birth certificate, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
and found out that her parents were Victor Hugh Robinson | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
and Lillian Jane Robinson, formerly Roxburgh. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
Jean's father, Victor, was born in Southampton to a shipping family. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
His father was employed in the shipbuilding industry, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
and from his early teens, Victor, too, worked in the docks. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
But Victor and the family were not known as shipbuilders. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
It seems that Victor was something of a superstar in a very different world. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
Vic was a pigeon fancier par excellence. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
He was a champion. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
The greatest fancier in the south of England... | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
and possibly of England, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:10 | |
because he knew how to breed, how to condition, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
and how to race a pigeon. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
After years breeding and training his stock of pigeons, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Vic hit the big time in 1934, when he won the King's Cup race from San Sebastian in Spain. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:27 | |
It was one of Britain's most prestigious pigeon races, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and Vic became an iconic figure. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
The word "Vic Robinson" | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
was like someone talking about David Beckham in footballing terms. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
If Vic did it... If Vic did this, or Vic did that, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
that was the template, if you wish, how to successfully race pigeons. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
He was a god in his right. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Ted, who was Jean's classmate at the time, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
became one of Vic's many devotees. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
I needed, or I wanted, to get to know what he knew. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
And therefore, obviously, we became quite good friends. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
I think I was one of the few he'd allow to go into his pigeon loft. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:09 | |
Granted such special status, Ted was able to watch and learn. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
I was able to see how he cleaned them out, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
how he fed them, and I took it all in. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
How he would prepare them for the long races, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
how he would look after them during the winter months, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
which is important when they're moulting. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
What changes in the food he'd give them. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
It was something that I treasured. He was slow in his methods and his ways, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:40 | |
but a really good pigeon fancier is quite often that, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
because he wants the pigeons to know him and not be frightened of him. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
Vic's methodical dedication to his pigeons | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
was one shared by all the family. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
Every winter, in the evenings, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
he, Jean and her mother, Lillian, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
would sit at the kitchen table | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
and he would go through every bag of corn that he bought, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
and he would go through that with them - what was good - | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
and they would discard what was bad. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
Such fanaticism paid off. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
Between 1929 and 1954, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Vic's pigeons won more national prizes than any others, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and one bird in particular, named after his daughter, Jean, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
was a consistent champion. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
Vic's approach and technique is still something much admired. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
People say in the pigeon world, especially the old school, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
"Go back to basics." We're forgetting that pigeons are birds. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
I've got friends spent £80,000, £100,000, even £200,000 on pigeon lofts, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
wooden floors, central heating, hot and cold showers. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Where the day of Vic's was a normal pigeon loft. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Dry, healthy pigeons, fed well on a varied diet, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
plenty of clean water, and that was his secret, if you like. Basic. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
Vic Robinson's pigeon-fancying brought him fame, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
as well as a fair amount of fortune too. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
He was able to buy his house from the winnings of his pigeons. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Because his winnings, I would suggest... | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
There were pigeons every year from 1934 up to the war years. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
..would have been in the region of... averaging about £200, £250 a year. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
Which was really a year's salary for quite a lot of people in those days. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
And thanks to his pigeons, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
his daughter Jean was given the best possible start in life. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
They enabled him and his wife to send Jeannie to Barton Peveril Grammar School, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
where she received an education second to none. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
And she was a very well-educated young lady. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I'm proof of that! | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Cos I went to the same school. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
In their search for heirs to Jean's estate, Kevin and the team | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
had established that Jean was Victor and Lillian's only child, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
so they now needed to widen their search. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
We knew that this was going to be a matter of aunts and uncles, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
or more likely, their descendants, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
inheriting from this estate. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
The shift in the focus of the hunt marked a critical juncture. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
When we know it's going to be a matter of going to cousins, ie, tracing cousins, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
we really...are branching out into the unknown. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
Sometimes it might turn out that both paternal and maternal families are quite small | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
and it can be solved quite quickly. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
At other times, you find there are huge families | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
and they're spreading all over the place, including overseas. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
It's just.... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:41 | |
At that point, it's just difficult to know how far you're going to have to go to solve the whole case. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
Beginning with Jean's father's family, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Kevin used the 1911 census | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
to discover that Victor Robinson was one of 11 children. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
Immediately, things were not looking good. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Victor Hugh Robinson was one of the younger members of the family | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
and some of his older siblings were born back in the 1870s. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
Um...this meant | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
that we might have to be tracing down two or three generations | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
on some branches of the family to find the living heirs. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
We knew straightaway that it was very likely that there was going to be a lot of work involved in this, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
and that there might well be a huge number of beneficiaries. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
And as their work continued, Kevin and the team's worst fears were realised... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
There were about 60 heirs on the Robinson side of the family. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:35 | |
..while the remarkable wartime role of Vic's pigeons came to light. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Many lives were saved through racing pigeons flying through | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
bullets, coming back with bullet wounds, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
snow, fog, to bring vital messages back. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
Heir hunters trace thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
But not all cases can be cracked. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
There are thousands of estates on the Treasury's bona vacantia list | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
that have eluded the heir hunters and remained unsolved. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
The Bona Vacantia Division deals with the estates of people who die | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
without leaving a will | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
or any entitled blood relatives. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Today we're focusing on two cases that have yet to be solved by the heir hunters. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they're looking for? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
Could you be about to inherit some money from a long-lost relative? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
First is the case of John Frederick Lawrence Ball. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
In the UK, nearly 44,000 people share the surname Ball, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
and it's particularly common in the Stoke-on-Trent area. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
But heir hunters have struggled to find any of John's living heirs. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
Are you related to John? | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Do you have any information that might help crack this case? | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
Next, can you shed any light on the case of Margaret Marsh? | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
She died in the run-up to Christmas. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:09 | |
The name Marsh was originally given as a topographical name | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
for anyone who lived near grassland. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Were you a friend or a neighbour of Margaret? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Do you have information about her family? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Perhaps you're the relative the heir hunters have been looking for. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Both John and Margaret's estates remain unclaimed, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and if no-one comes forward, their money will go to the Government. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
Money raised by the division | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
is ultimately passed to the General Exchequer, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
which benefits the country as a whole. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Do you have any clues | 0:23:43 | 0:23:44 | |
that could help solve the cases of John Ball or Margaret Marsh? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
If so, you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
For senior case manager Kevin Edmondson and his team | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
at London heir-hunting firm Hoopers, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
the case of Jean Chainey was proving an extraordinary one. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
No only had they discovered that her father was a renowned pigeon fancier, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
there were also shaping up to be an enormous number of heirs. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
All Kevin and the team had to do now was find them. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
In the 1911 census record for the Robinson family, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
only five of the children of the paternal grandparents | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
were actually living with them at that time. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
So although we knew there were 11 in total, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
we still didn't know who six of them were. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Jean Irene Chainey died in Telford, Shropshire, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
on the 23rd of December 2011. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Fellow classmate Ted Bennett remembers her from his schooldays. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
She had big eyes. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
I'll always remember that. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
She wasn't pretty...and she had bushy hair. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
She was always well-dressed. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
She was always well-spoken. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
And she had really good manners. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
She was very good at her school work | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
and very diligent. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:07 | |
She was a normal schoolgirl. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
She wasn't like me, naughty! | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I'd get up to mischief. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
But it seems there was a limit to how close Jean would get to her classmates. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
She would talk to you about school work, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
but she didn't like to talk about her own private life. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
And Ted has his own theory as to why. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
The people that were in to grammar school at that time were a little bit snooty. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
They... And Jean didn't come from a background... | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
that... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
..a privileged background, let me put it that way. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
I think that's what it was. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:43 | |
After leaving school, Ted didn't see Jean again for many years. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
When he did, he was in for a surprise. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
She was animated, and she'd obviously blossomed. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
She was a lot more at ease with herself, let me put it that way, and with her parents. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
She had a breadth of knowledge. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
She knew things about finance, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
about world politics, etc. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
She could converse and talk | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
on most subjects that anybody raised. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
It was an impressive transformation. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
She was, to me, a woman of the world. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
She knew exactly where she was going, and she knew what she was about. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
She was a happy girl. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Happy girl. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
In the office, Kevin and the team were making good progress | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
in their hunt for Jean's cousins. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
By going back to the 1901 and 1891 censuses, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
they had eventually managed to track down | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
the names of all Jean's father's siblings. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
But there were more challenges to come. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
The surname Robinson is one of the more common surnames. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
And so that does make research a little more difficult. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
It was time for some tricks of the trade. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
One of the things we first do is to try and discover whether any of the aunts and uncles have married. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:06 | |
Often in the hope that one of the females has married someone with a less common surname. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
In this case, we struck lucky, because one of Jean's aunts, Mabel Robinson, married a Mr Lodge, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:20 | |
a much les common name. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
And this made it a lot easier for us. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
This discovery was a fantastic breakthrough that led Kevin to finding his first heir. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
We found that Mabel and her husband had four children. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
And we were quite fortunate to discover | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
that one of them, Raymond, was still living, in his late 80s. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
For Raymond Lodge, news of his inheritance came completely out of the blue. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
When Hoopers rang, I was surprised, um... | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
Didn't really have any knowledge of who Jean was. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
They explained that she was a cousin of mine, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
and that was about it, really. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
While he didn't remember Jean, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:01 | |
his uncle's name did, however, ring a bell. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
I don't remember much about Vic Robinson, other than I met him on the one occasion. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
I was invited around to see the pigeons. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
It must have been... | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
two or three years before the war. It was very close to the war. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
So I most probably was 12, 13. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
The sheer number of pigeons owned by Vic wowed the young Raymond. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
I would think he had 50 or 60. It was a very big operation. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
I think he was breeding a lot. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
I think he had a reputation. I think he was selling them on. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
I think he was even selling the eggs to other people. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
It was quite a little business. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
I do remember... | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
him showing me a picture of one of the pigeons, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
which as far as I know, was the one that won the San Sebastian race. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
At the time of Raymond's visit, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Jean's father, Vic Robinson, was at the height of his success, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
racing and breeding champion pigeons. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
But just years later, at the outbreak of the Second World War, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
all that was to change. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Wartime was a very hard time for pigeon fanciers, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
because they couldn't race them, yet they had to keep them. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
Now, if you supplied pigeons to the National Pigeon Service, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
you were allocated an amount of food for your pigeons. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
To overcome the problem of rationing, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
Vic and thousands of other pigeon fanciers in Britain | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
signed up to a scheme called the National Pigeon Service. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
An Army man used to come with a basket. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
And Vic would go into his loft and pick out anything from eight to 12 youngsters. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
He didn't like doing it, but he did it for the war effort. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
And he was pleased to do it for the war effort. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
But the second point that he was doing it, I suppose was really and truly the more important... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
Was that it enabled him to get food to be able to feed the pigeons he had. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
Once in the National Pigeon Service, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
birds were selected for missions based on their individual record | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
for speed, navigational skills and endurance. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
They often became the bearers of vital, life-saving messages. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
They were used extensively in aircraft, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
for people who downed their planes and didn't know exactly where they were. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
When every Lancaster bomber or aircraft left this country, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
two pigeons were on board. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:15 | |
Many lives were saved through racing pigeons coming back with bullet wounds, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
snow, fog, to bring vital messages back | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
that they'd been ditched in the North Sea, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
that they had problems in France. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
The birds were also used when radio communication was too dangerous. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
They could be sent or dropped to the resistant fighters in the countries that were occupied. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:39 | |
And they'd send messages back through the pigeons. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
Over 200,000 pigeons were volunteered for the National Pigeon Service during the war, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
and 32 of them were awarded the Dickin Medal for outstanding exploits. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
As well as a means of serving his country, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
for Vic, it was also an important way of keeping his champion dynasty going. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
After the war was finished, he still had his basic blood lines there, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
which was very successful in the '30s, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
and being an exceptional stock man, an exceptional breeder, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
er... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
he was fortunate to have his foundation | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
still in the '50s, which enabled him to win a second Grand National race with the National Flying Club. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:24 | |
This momentous post-war win cemented Vic's reputation for ever. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
To win two blue ribbons, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
the ultimate in pigeon racing in this country, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
twice and 20 years apart, if not more, is unique. Very unique. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
Back in the office, after successfully finding Raymond, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
Kevin and the rest of the team were on a roll with the Robinson side of the family. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
We've had quite a few people working on it. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
We were fortunate, in that on several branches of the family, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
we were able to track down people quite quickly, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
and by interviewing them, they were able to fill us in quite a bit of the details | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
of the rest of the members of their family. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
And the total number of heirs entitled to Jean's estate, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
now valued at approximately £75,000, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
is quite extraordinary. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
We've now traced a total of 82 heirs. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
We think that is probably the final figure, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
although we've still got a little bit of research to do just to verify that. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
Another one of these heirs was Peter Robinson, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Jean's cousin once removed. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Now that he's entitled to a share of her estate, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
he has no idea what to expect. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
My wife and daughter think I'm going to be a millionaire, but I just pooh-pooh it and think, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
well, yeah, if £5 comes out of it, I'm £5 better off than I was last week. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
For Peter, childhood memories of a visit to Vic's pigeon loft | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
Have become the stuff of legend. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
He took me into his pigeon loft | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
and, one by one, he showed me all his favourite pigeons. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
I've got it in my head that Uncle Vic showed me one of these pigeons, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
and said, "See this pigeon? This pigeon is worth a million pounds." | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
Whether he actually said that or not, I'm not too sure. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
Whether it's £100, £1,000... | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
From that day to this, I've always got it in my mind that Uncle Vic said, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
"This pigeon's worth a million pounds." | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
That must have been a hellish lot of money in those days. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
And it's only just beginning to dawn on him what a star Jean's father really was. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
I'd heard of Uncle Vic within the family, obviously, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
but I didn't realise he was that famous outside the family circle. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Since the case of Ian Urquhart Fraser appeared on the Treasury solicitors' list, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
the team at heir-hunting firm Fraser & Fraser | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
have been making steady progress. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
There's one stem with heirs on, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
and, um...we're hopefully going to try to get in contact with them. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
Once they established there are no heirs on the paternal side, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
their search has narrowed to just one line on the maternal side of the tree. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
All they need to do is make contact with the heirs before the competition. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
Ian Urquhart Fraser | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
died on the 1st of September 2011, aged 85. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
His friend, John Whitehead, remembers him as an intellectually rigorous figure. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
You have to bear in mind that he was an educated man. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
He was a lecturer. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
He wouldn't tolerate sloppy thinking. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Um...if I came up with an idea that was carelessly constructed, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
or badly articulated, he'd chivvy me along, "No, no, you can put it better than that." | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
In the nicest possible way. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
But he always wanted to keep me on my toes. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
As a member of the Royal College of Surgeons | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
and a lecturer in anatomy, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Ian continued to teach well into his 70s. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
He loved his work. He continued working long after his retirement. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
And actually, when he was finally obliged to retire, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:12 | |
Ian memorably declined to go to his own leaving party. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
Whether that was out of modesty or because he was irritated at having to finally retire, I'm not sure. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
Whenever I met him, he nearly always had a copy of the New England Medical Journal in his pocket. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
Even after he retired, he kept in touch with medicine. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
When Ian grew ill and was taken into hospital at the end of his life, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
John was by his side. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
I did ask him if he'd written a will. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
And he said he didn't have any family, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
and it didn't really matter what happened to his stuff when he died. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
I pointed out to him, if nothing else, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
he could perhaps make a difference to some of the charities he supported. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
I left it for him to think about it, but he did nothing about it. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
His condition was up and down a bit. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
I saw him a couple of days before he passed away. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
He asked me if I'd mind if we entered my name | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
on his records as next of kin as there was nobody else. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
He was a very private man. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:14 | |
I can only surmise, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
but my feeling is that, in his mind, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
that the things that he had, they were part of him | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
and when he passed away, there was nothing. That was the end of it. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
I don't think he really took an interest beyond that. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
Now that Ian has passed away | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
and his estate is in the hands of the Treasury, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
John has strong feelings on the issue. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
I think it's very important that everybody writes a will. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
Even if you have no family, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
then perhaps you have a favourite cause or a favourite charity | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
and any money you leave them could make a huge difference. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
At the end of the day, if no relatives and no heirs | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
have been traced, the money just goes back to the Government, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
after many years. But that money could do some good. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
In the office, the race is on to find and sign up heirs to Ian's estate, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
estimated to be worth at least £250,00. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
As rival companies are likely to be working this valuable case, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
the pressure really is on. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
But the team have already traced some heirs, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
and Dave has finally managed to get hold of one of them, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
Simon Forsyth, on the phone. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Father and mother returned to England and passed away in Scarborough, is that correct? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:30 | |
Am I right in believing that you're one of two children? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
What I'd very much like to do... | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
Is it all possible for one of my colleagues to pop along and see you today? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
Lovely. Thanks for your time, sir. Bye-bye now. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Now all Dave needs to do is get hold of senior travelling researcher Ewart | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
and arrange for him to visit Simon. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Your sat-nav should pick it up. It's a small lane. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
In order to ensure all their hard work doesn't go to waste, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
it's vital that Ewart reaches Simon before the competition. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
-How long is it going to take you? -It's coming up now. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
It's only 14 miles. That's fine. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
-All righty. -Speak to you later. -Yeah, be lucky. -Cheers, mate. Bye. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
-Have a safe journey, OK. -Bye. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
And Ewart's raring to go. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
-Mr Forsyth? -Hi. -I'm just wondering, can I come to see you any earlier? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:29 | |
Yes, absolutely fine. I'm just sitting putting PowerPoint training presentations together, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:35 | |
so you would be an excuse to make a cup of tea. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
OK, well, I could be with you in the next, say, 45 minutes. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
-45, yeah, that's absolutely fine. -Is that all right? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Yeah, that's fine. Do you know how to find us? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
It confuses people sometimes, but sat-nav normally finds it. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
So I'll see you in about 45 minutes. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
-OK, that's fine. -All right? -See you then. -Bye. Take care. Bye. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:01 | |
Ewart heads straight off for the meeting. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
'Left turn.' | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
I'm driving through, at the minute, a track. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Just a single track. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
For the past three miles. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
But as he continues on, Ewart begins to wonder if he's taken a wrong turn. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:23 | |
This is a very, very tiny track. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
HE TOOTS HORN | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
'At the next junction, right turn.' | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
Oh, really! | 0:39:33 | 0:39:34 | |
At last, it looks like he's made it. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
'Your destination is straight ahead.' | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
Could he be about to sign his first heir? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
Ewart brings Simon up to speed with the research so far. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
She had a sister called Elizabeth, who married a Mr Fraser. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
Ah, right. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:55 | |
-OK. -We then have the deceased. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
-OK? -I know nothing of that side of the family. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
Your father, unfortunately, has passed away... | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
-in 1981, is that correct? -That's right, yes. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Um... | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
He had a brother but, unfortunately, he died in infancy. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
Ah, now I knew he had a brother... | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
Um...and the story in the family | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
was that he had disappeared off to the States or something, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
but we never knew anything about him. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
It would explain a lot of things, because my dad never mentioned him. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
And we never knew anything about him at all. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
The news about his uncle is as surprising as the news about his potential inheritance. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
And Simon is happy to sign with the company, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
so they can help him make his claim to the estate. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
One thing I would ask, if you find background about the family, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
family tree things, it would be very useful for me | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
-to know a bit more about that side of things. -Sure, yeah. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-Yeah. -I'm assuming... -Yeah, yeah. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
If we find a family... | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
..we can put you in touch, no problem. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
Take care, Mr Forsyth. All the best. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
It's a fantastic result for Ewart and the team | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
and he calls Dave to fill him in. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-Hello, Ewart. -Hello, Dave. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
Yeah, good news, Dave. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
I've signed Mr Forsyth, OK? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
-As you said, he was a very nice guy. -Well done, mate. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
-Thanks for everything today. -Cheers, Dave. -Take care. -Bye. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
What a fantastic day! | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
Eh? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
Nice big case, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
big money... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
..a couple of heirs entitled. I've signed one. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
Fantastic! | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
And Ewart isn't the only one delighted with his work. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Everyone's really pulled together, and not only the guys in the office, but the guys on the road. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:41 | |
The heir that Ewart went to see | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
has kindly agreed to use our services. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
Perfect end to a perfect day. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
And it gets better, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:49 | |
because the value of Ian's estate has now come in at £430,000. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
For heir Simon, it has been an emotional 24 hours. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
There was a slight sense of disbelief, and, to be honest, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
just hearing my mum's and my dad's names mentioned | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
just brought a whole load of things alive, really, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
reminded me of stuff that just seems to be so far in the past now. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
It was just really nice hearing their names, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
which sounds very strange, I suppose, but like a connection. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
As his parents passed away over 30 years ago, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
when Simon was in his 20s, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
it's a precious opportunity to learn more about his family. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
If your parents die when you're young, you don't really... | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
appreciate how important it is just to ask them about their lives. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
Nearly every day, something will remind me of something I could have asked, would have been good to ask. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:39 | |
Of course, once they're gone, you never can. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
So any information that comes out of this would be of great interest and value. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
And Simon has been inspired to get started on his own family research. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
It's like a gentle challenge to me | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
to just get on with it. I think the lesson that comes out of this is, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
don't put things off for ever, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:58 | |
because you never quite know when for ever is. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
So...sometimes sooner than you think. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
If you would like advice about building a family tree | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
or making a will, go to... | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
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