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Heir Hunters specialise in tracking missing family members | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
who are entitled to money from a relative who's died. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
I'd definitely ask at the local shops cos she did work at a shop. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Sometimes the deceased simply hasn't left a will. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Sometimes they've become estranged from their family. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
I'm just trying my hardest to see if I can see a family resemblance. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
The race is then on for Heir Hunters | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
to find the often distant relatives in line for a windfall. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Basically, we're half-Jewish and we didn't know. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
But this is a highly competitive arena... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
I hope there's not going to be competition, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
but, erm, you never know. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
..with dozens of firms hoping to pip the others at the post | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
to sign up heirs and claim their commission... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Just see if you can find... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
..and hand over tens of thousands of pounds | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
to unexpecting beneficiaries. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Could the Heir Hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Coming up, the Heir Hunters take on a risky case... | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
We thought it might be quite high in value. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Er, I'm not so sure now. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
..that also proves complicated. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
'He doesn't know much about his father's family | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
'and can't confirm everything.' | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
And how the sad death of a brother reunites four members | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
of a family who never knew each other existed. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
He had been looking for his family for 50 years. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
-Hello, John. -How are you, Tony? -I'm very well, thank you. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Plus, could you be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
held by the Treasury? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
Could a fortune be heading your way? | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
It's another working day in London, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
and the Heir Hunters at Fraser & Fraser | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
are looking into several new cases. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
We'll look and see if there's a probate for him. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
-There's no sign of her being the informer? -No. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Well, I think we've got his death in 1991. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
Why do none of these numbers ever work? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
Case manager Simon Mills has picked up a job from the Treasury's | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
bona vacantia list. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
The only neighbour that was there at the time wasn't answering the phone. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
And it's an estate thought to be worth around £200,000. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Got a new case, Marjorie Gladys Martin, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
she died in 2006, so quite a few years ago. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
Looks like she owned her property. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Martin's not the best name to work with, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
so it might take a little while, but, erm, we'll see where we get. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Marjorie Gladys Martin died a spinster | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
on the 15th September 2006 in Poole in Dorset. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Barbara and Bill Price were her neighbours for ten years. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
When we moved into this street, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Marjorie already lived here a couple of doors away. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
We didn't see a great deal of her. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
She was a very, very quiet lady. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
She was about five foot four, I should think. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
Quite a smart lady when she was out, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
obviously coloured her hair. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
However, she appeared to lead a very solitary life. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Rarely saw her in the garden, but when she was there, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
then she was obviously enjoying the garden. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
We never saw any visitors there, not even friends. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
I think she was just a very, very quiet person. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
She did tell me she'd been rather naughty when she was younger, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
but she didn't tell me any more about her life. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
With Marjorie's estate believed to be so valuable, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
it's a worthwhile case for the Heir Hunters to work. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
But there's one area that could be a worry. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
There was a property but it was sold in 2007 in January, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
so that's after the deceased passed away in 2006. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Just at the moment want to know who authorised the sale, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
and whether she actually did own it, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
which we think she did. Bit of a concern. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
So the team need to focus on finding out | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
if Marjorie owned or rented the property. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
If she rented it, Marjorie's estate could go from being valuable | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
to virtually worthless. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
And any work they put into solving it could be for nothing, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
as Heir Hunters get paid on commission, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
so the smaller the estate, the smaller their fee. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
-You wanted the death? -No. -She owned a property... | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
She owned it? So if she owned it and it was sold, what d'you reckon? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
Everybody's passed away? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Despite no confirmation of a property, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Simon's going to start his search. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
I'm just trying to find parents' names, see if she's got any siblings. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
We think she was, erm, a single lady, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
never married by the looks of it, so, just see what we can find. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
It's a busy morning, I think quite a few cases came in overnight, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
so everybody seems to be snowed under. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
There's still a lot of work to be done before they get anywhere | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
close to solving this case. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
This is why I'm confused. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
How can there only be four of any surname? | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
It's too early for this. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:13 | |
And it looks like things are going from bad to worse. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Er, just found the...what looks like the birth record of the deceased. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:25 | |
Rather I didn't, to be honest. Mother's maiden name's Smith. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
Martin's a bad enough name as it is. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
Mixed with Smith, it's just a bit of a nightmare. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Um... So, it's probably going to be relying heavily on certificates, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
unless we get lucky. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Company partner Neil has been working in the business for 15 years | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
and is all too aware of the importance of certificates, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
as they can confirm | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
whether the research they've done so far is correct. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
But it costs money. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
We can't afford not to buy them. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
One error by not buying a certificate | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
could mean the difference between a lost case | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
and signing the beneficiaries. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
On an average year, we spend in excess of £150,000 | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
just on birth, death and marriage certificates. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
With a common surname and maiden name, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
the researchers have their work cut out. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
What is going on with this? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
There should definitely be more than that, shouldn't there? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Marjorie Martin was born in 1907 in Croydon. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
She had never married and had no children. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
So, the team is concentrating on looking for any possible siblings. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
To do this, they need to find her parents, but it's not that simple. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
You've got the date of birth there. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
-Is there a Marjorie G, any surname? -No, look. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
With such common names, the team urgently needs the certificates | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
to ensure they're dealing with the correct family. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Simon wants some help on the ground, so he's calling Bob Barrett, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
one of a fleet of travelling researchers. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Hi, Bob. Mother's maiden name, unfortunately enough, is Smith. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Which is why I need the birth certificate. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
There were three possible marriages | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
sort of within a ten-year gap of the...of the birth. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
So, I just need to find out which one of them it is. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
OK, cheers, Bob. Thanks. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
Bob's job out on the road | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
is to act quickly on behalf of the team back in the office. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
He will pick up certificates, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
carry out door-to-door enquiries and, ultimately, sign up heirs. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Hello, sorry to be a nuisance. I wonder whether you can help me. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
We're trying to find out something | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
about a gentleman that used to live in number 25. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
Bob's job is a bit of a contrast to his old beat. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
I thoroughly enjoyed being in the police. The... | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
But I was very aware towards the end that the wrong side of 50 | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
is too old for some of the things you need to do as a police officer. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
Because it really isn't an old man's job. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Whereas this is. | 0:07:58 | 0:07:59 | |
Back in the office, more researchers have been pulled onto the case | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
to keep ahead of the competition. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
The teams are looking into the possible marriage | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
of a Smith in Croydon around the time of Marjorie's birth. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
-Take any surname. -There's no marriage, though. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
What they can't do is focus on one particular Smith | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
until they're 100% certain, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
because if it turns out to be incorrect, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
they'll be straight back to square one. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
Once we get the birth certificate, first and foremost, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
hopefully confirm that we've got the right birth, and then, secondly, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
it'll give us the parents' names and we can work the case up. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
And Marjorie's property still remains a worry. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
I was told that the deceased owned the property. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Problem being, she died in 2006 and the property was sold in 2007. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
But we don't know at this stage, so we've got to carry on working it. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
But then case manager Jo gets confirmation about the house. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
It was sold after she died and she's never mentioned on the deeds, so... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
She rented it, didn't she? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
This is potentially very bad news for the team. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
If she only rented the property, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
the value of her estate could be much lower than they'd thought. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
The interesting thing here is it says it was sold for 220. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
But I... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
On...one of the house pricing things, it said it sold for 177. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
The end of the first day of research is drawing to a close | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
and, with competition likely to be breathing down their necks, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
it's a frustrating end for Simon. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
Martin's been a confusing case today. At the end of the day, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
we've not really got any further than we were at the start. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
We've ordered the birth and death certificates, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
they should be with us in the morning, and see where we go. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
But as the team continue working this case, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
will they get the answers they desperately need? | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Hopefully, if this gentleman's in, he can tell me more. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
Finding heirs to an estate is not always the end of the case. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
You've got to provide enough evidence to the Treasury Solicitors | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
for them to accept the claim. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
Someone wishing to submit a claim to us | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
will need to supply us with documentary evidence | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
to support that claim. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
That would usually be birth, marriage and death certificates | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
that show how they're related to the deceased. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
When the case of Archie Bishop | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
landed on the desk of heir hunter Phil, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
providing evidence was almost as hard as tracing the heirs. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
At the beginning of this case, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
I didn't think there was much hope of solving it, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
and then it's not an easy route to solve these things. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
Alexander Bishop, also known as Archie, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
died aged 80 in a care home in Burnham-on-Sea, Somerset. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
His estate was estimated to be worth just over £19,000, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
but the company still felt it was a case worth looking into. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
Because Archie died without leaving a will, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
his estate was advertised by the Treasury Solicitor | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
and snapped up by Phil, who is a senior associate at Celtic Research. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
I'd like to order a death certificate | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
for Alexander Raymond Bishop. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
Date of death... | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
The firm is run by Peter Birchwood, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
who's been working in genealogy research for 40 years, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
and his son, Hector. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
Phil is based in Newport, working alongside his wife and son. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
The reason I picked up the case is because that it was in my area, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Burnham-on-Sea. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Initially, I couldn't find any value to it. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
It was likely that any monies would just be a small pension. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Phil's initial research found that Archie died a bachelor, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
so if there WERE any heirs, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
they would be his brothers and sisters, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
or THEIR children or cousins. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
So, Phil turned his attention to Archie's mother, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Phyllis Mary Bishop, who was born in 1916 in Wareham, Dorset. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
I could tell from the index that his mother's name was also Bishop, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
so it was likely he was illegitimate. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Phil sent off for Archie's birth certificate | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
to see if there was a father named. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
When he received the document through the post, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
it proved his hunch was correct. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
When it's an illegitimate birth, most times, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
that's the end of the story, because you're not likely | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
to be able to match any other births to the same mother. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
There's nothing to go on to prove it. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Phil needed to find out if Archie had any siblings, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
including half-brothers and sisters, so he took a punt, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
hoping that Phyllis had married at some point in her life. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
I'd found this marriage of Phyllis Mary Bishop to Edward Harrison | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
in the area where Alex had been born. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
So, I thought, right, this looks good, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
I'll work it down to a living relative | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and check to see if they are the same family or not. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Phyllis Mary Bishop married Edward Harrison in 1936. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
He was a private in the 1st Battalion of the Middlesex Regiment | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
and, at the age of 24, was sent overseas to fight in World War II. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
The battalion was stationed in Hong Kong | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
and, generally speaking, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
the quality of life for soldiers in Hong Kong was quite good, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
because the cost of living was quite low. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
So, soldiers' wages went quite a long way. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
However, on the other side, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
you had quite a lot of tropical diseases that soldiers suffered from, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
so it was a mixed bag. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
But for the young Edward, the war was about to take a nasty twist. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
The Japanese attacked the harbour | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
that Edward's battalion was protecting | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
and he was taken as prisoner of war. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
All of the prisoners of war from the Hong Kong region | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
were sent to Sham Shui Po Barracks, which were a former military barracks | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
that had been looted by the Chinese in the panic of the invasion | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
and had been stripped bare of absolutely anything. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
Once captured, Edward would have been transported to mainland Japan. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
Where they would work for major Japanese corporations | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
and do work such as in sugar factories or metalwork | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
or farming or loading and unloading of barges. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
They were expected to essentially be slave labour for the Japanese army. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
But things were about to get even worse. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
Edward was sent to Japan on a boat called the Lisbon Maru. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
On the way, it was hit by a torpedo | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
and Edward and his fellow prisoners were abandoned on board. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
After approximately a day of being trapped, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
one of the soldiers had smuggled a butcher's knife on board | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
and eventually, through perseverance, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
they were able to cut a large enough hole in the canvas | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
that a couple of the soldiers were able to actually crawl out. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
So, all of the men tried to make an escape bid. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Many of them jumped overboard and were fired upon in the water. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
The current swept them towards the Sing Pan Islands, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
which were Chinese islands. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
Some people were dashed against the rocks and, therefore, didn't survive. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
But some of the prisoners of war were able to get to the island. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
In a way, Edward was one of the lucky ones and survived. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
However, he was soon rounded up by the Japanese | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
and taken to the mainland. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
Tragically, Edward died two weeks later. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
Edward Harrison is now buried, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
along with 1,500 of his fellow soldiers, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
in the Yokohama War Cemetery, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
which was built to honour soldiers from Commonwealth countries. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
At just 26 years of age, Phyllis was now a widow, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
and heir hunter Phil had discovered when Edward went off to war, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
he and Phyllis had already had two children, Barbara and Tony. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
I'd found a son, Tony Harrison, told him the story, and he said, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
"Yes, he was the brother of Alex Bishop." | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
He rang me up and said, "We are the heir hunters." | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
I said, "Well, I think you've got the wrong number. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
"I don't have any hair. I'm bald." | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Although Tony didn't know Archie, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
he confirmed he was the child of Phyllis and Edward Harrison. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
My mother couldn't look after me, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
so I went into a nursery at a very early age. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
I have no real memories of my mother at all. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Just a vague...vague reminiscence of being parted from her. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
As a young widow, Phyllis may have felt | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
she had no other option than to put her children in care. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Tony grew up thinking he was an only child, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
but aged ten, he was told he had a sister. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
My first introduction with Barbara was... | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
oh, very nice to have a sister, you know, family, a member of family. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
Barbara was just two years older than Tony | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and she'd also been put into care as a baby. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
The fact that we were segregated, I saw very little of her. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
I don't ever remember wanting to go and play with her or anything, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
because the system didn't allow it. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Tony kept in touch with his sister by phone, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
but never saw her again until much later on in life. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
And, as far as Tony was aware, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Barbara was his only sibling and his only real family member. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
That was until, one day, he was paid a surprise visit. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
When my grandmother first came to see me, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
I was surprised at her appearance, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
that she reminded me of an old...um... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
..comedian called Old Mother Riley. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
She had a fox fur on and wore a hat and she was quite small, | 0:17:54 | 0:18:01 | |
as I was quite... towered over her. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
His grandmother's visit gave Tony a precious opportunity | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
to start to find out more about his mother and the rest of his family. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
She said Mother was in hospital | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
and that my father had got killed in the war, and that... | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
..that I had two half-brothers. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
That was the one and only time that I saw my grandmother. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
So... | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
I used to communicate with her by letter occasionally, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
but otherwise, I never saw her again. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
Phyllis was a widow at just 26 years of age | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
and Archie, Barbara and Tony were all in care. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Being so young, Phyllis potentially could have gone on | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
to have more children, therefore more heirs for Phil to find. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
After that, I then found the death of another brother, Dennis. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
Every year, the heir hunters manage to crack the majority of their cases | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
and track down heirs to unclaimed estates. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
However, there are always a few that elude them | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
and stay on the Treasury Solicitor's bona vacantia list, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
a file of unclaimed holdings. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
The money raised by the Bona Vacantia Division | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
is passed to Her Majesty's Treasury, and if a claim's made within 12 years | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
to an estate on the unclaimed list, for example, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
then we pay that money back out again. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Today, we have details of two unclaimed estates | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
where heirs are yet to be found. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Do you have any information | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
that could help solve either of these cases? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
The first one is that of a lady called Delores DeVilliers. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
She died a spinster on January 8th, 2006, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
in Haywards Heath, West Sussex. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
It's believed that Dolores may also have been known as Betty | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
and she possibly changed her surname to Wilson. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
The only other information known | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
is that she was originally from Australia, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
born there on October 12th, 1914. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Does any of this sound familiar? Did you know Delores? | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Our second case is that of Hilda Joan Baker. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
She died on November 6th, 2003, in Minehead, Somerset. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
However, she was born in the north of England, in Sheffield, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
just weeks before the end of the First World War, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
on October 22nd, 1918. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Was Hilda a friend of yours? Or maybe even a relative? | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
If no-one comes forward, their money will go to the Government. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
The money raised by the Bona Vacantia Division | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
is passed annually to the Treasury | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
and it goes into the consolidated fund, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
therefore to benefit the country as a whole. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
Do you have any clues that could help solve these cases? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Or maybe you believe you're related to one of the women | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
and, potentially, could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
Case manager Simon Mills is looking into | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
the case of Marjory Martin who died in September 2006, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
leaving an unclaimed estate potentially worth over £200,000. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
What is going on with this? There should definitely be more than that. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
Yesterday had been a frustrating start for Simon and his team, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
and today it doesn't look set to improve as they have just received | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
the disappointing news that Marjory Martin didn't own her property. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
When we started the case, we thought that it might be quite high in value. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
I'm not so sure now. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
It's discouraging news, as even though they have no idea | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
how much it's worth in total, they suspect it may be quite low value | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
and that means the fees they earn will be significantly lower. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
For boss Neil, this is an inherent risk of the heir-hunting business. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
The bigger cases are of such importance | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
that we throw everything at them. We put all our researchers on them. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
We do the smaller cases, hoping for them to pay the bills really, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
to just tick us by. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
So with this estate now just looking like a bread-and-butter case, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
a number of researchers have been pulled off the job | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
whilst the rest concentrate on finding heirs on the maternal side. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
Even though we don't know the potential value of the case, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
we are going to work it, the problem being that it's Smith, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
so we don't want to put all our resources onto it | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
if there is not going to be any funds in the estate because... | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
Just because it's time-consuming. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
But they are hoping the certificates they ordered yesterday | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
will give them a lead and confirm the family. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
If we find out who the parents are... | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
..find the marriage and then do, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
like, ten years after the marriage or something like that. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
And they are only moments from finding out | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
as the certificates arrive. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
Just ticking off all the certs as they come in. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
We've got loads of certs coming in today | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
because of all the jobs that came out yesterday. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Erm... | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
A lot of priority certs will come back today, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
ordered yesterday, come back today. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
Obviously a lot more expensive. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
And the certificates have confirmed | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
that one of the marriages they have found is correct. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
It was the correct birth we identified, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
which is the first positive. Obviously, it gives us | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
the name of the parents as Edwin Stephen Martin and Lily Smith. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
From that, we have obviously been able to find | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
the marriage of the parents, and therefore it gives us | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
a better opportunity to look for siblings that are deceased. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Finally, the team has confirmed Marjory | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
was the daughter of Edwin Stephen Martin and Lily Smith. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
Edwin and Lily married in 1919, but he tragically died aged just 27. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
We got a death record for Edwin in 1940, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
said that he died at the Carshalton War Memorial Hospital. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
He was a commissionaire at a factory. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
But the place where Edwin worked was no ordinary factory. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
The Bourjois factory, owned by the French perfumer Chanel, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
opened in 1918, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
and was just one of the many international companies | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
that wanted their base to be in South London. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
When Croydon Aerodrome was blitzed in August 1940, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
the Bourjois factory was razed to the ground. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
The factory, then, was rebuilt and so, by the end of the 1940s, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
production was restored once more. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Edwin may have gone, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
but he was certainly not forgotten | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
as he would have been the welcoming face to all who visited the factory, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
as he was the commissionaire. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
I think it's very difficult to imagine the excitement | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
that I'm sure most people would have felt, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
meeting a commissionaire at the door of a perfumery company. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
This person would have been your first contact | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
who would welcome you into a world which would have seemed so exotic | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
and far removed from the everyday. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Croydon maybe seems the most unlikely place in one way, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
maybe, for perfume production, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
but I think it's really, really important to remember | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
the name Croydon itself comes from the Anglo-Saxon "croh denu", | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
which means "crocus valley". | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
It's where saffron was grown, like in Saffron Walden. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
By 1500, we have really, really well-established fields | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
of lavender around Mitcham, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
so this area was very, very famous for lavender production. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
So I think that, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:30 | |
when the French houses looked at where they could make, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
to save shipping, perfume, England was an obvious place, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
and in England, Croydon the most obvious of all. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
During World War II, over 2,500 bombs fell on Croydon, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
with businesses, factories and streets being ripped apart, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
including the world-famous Bourjois factory. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
180 workers were injured and 60 killed outright, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
and Edwin was one of those workers. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
Back on the case, the team's research into Marjory's siblings | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
was leaping ahead, with a possible brother identified. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
There was an Edwin Charles Martin, Edwin being the father's name, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
we thought there was a good chance that that was correct. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
The certificate has come back and it looks like it is. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Searches on brother Edwin reveal he died in 1963. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
However, the team believes he married and had a son, Keith. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
We've identified a possible nephew of the deceased. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
We'd like to find his address first and foremost | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
and send someone to see him. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
They might have already dealt with the estate, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
but we will only know when we finally do get to speak to them. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
And once they have spoken to their lead on the phone, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
things are looking positive as it's definitely the correct family. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
However, Simon needs to get a bit more clarification. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
He doesn't know much about his father's family, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
he can't confirm everything. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
So, while Simon awaits confirmation, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
he calls up travelling researcher Bob | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
to start heading over to where the heir lives. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
I said that you would give him a call first to arrange that. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
So, as Bob hot wheels it over to see one of the heirs, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
ever the detective ex-policeman Bob Barrett can't help wondering | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
why this case hasn't been solved earlier. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
She died in 2006, which is a bit unusual | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
to think her estate has been | 0:27:27 | 0:27:28 | |
kicking around for six or seven years, so... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
Either there has been some sort of legal wrangle over her estate, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
or perhaps there is some new asset that has come to light | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
that wasn't known... | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
that wasn't known of when she died. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
Hopefully, if this gentleman is in, he can tell me more. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Back in the office, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
the team has managed to track down one of Marjory's brothers. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
However, there is a slight confusion on the name. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
We have been told that there is a brother Stanley. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
However, there is no birth for Stanley Martin. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
The mother's maiden name is Smith, so it would be the correct area. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
There is a Reginald S Martin, so I'm thinking, hopefully, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
his middle name might be Stanley. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
Ah! I'm so good at my job! | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
So, erm, the birth of Reginald S Martin in March '23 in Croydon, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:33 | |
this Reginald has passed away in 2002 and he is Stanley Martin, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:39 | |
so that makes him correct. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
So the next step for this stem would be to find out | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
if Reginald did have children and was married and if he did indeed, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:50 | |
then that means that they would be entitled as nieces and nephews. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
Emily is on a roll and she soon finds more potential heirs. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
There is a marriage for Reginald S Martin in Croydon, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
which is the right area. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
It's to a Dora Bisset. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
So the next step now is to find out if they had children. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
While Emily is making good progress, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
Bob is not having so much luck finding Marjory's nephew. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Unfortunately, nobody in. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
I will leave him a letter, I think, and then, if he wants, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
he can get in touch with us. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
As Bob gets back on the road, back in the office, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Emily's success continues. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
I have... | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
..a phone number for you. For the niece. That's going to be Stanley. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
It's Reginald Stanley. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
I did another little tree cos I couldn't really fit it on. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Emily has found the number for one of Marjory's nieces, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
so another heir. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
We've been researching the estate of Marjory Martin, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
who I believe may have been an aunt of yours? | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
We're just trying... | 0:30:01 | 0:30:02 | |
However, just like the nephew, this niece is not too sure about | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
her grandparents and has asked Simon to talk to another family member. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
What I'll do, then, is | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
I'll find out if he can confirm whether we've got the right family. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
Simon does speak to another family member | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
and finally gets the confirmation he needs. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Thanks very much. Thank you. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
And in total, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
they find five heirs to Marjory's estate who all agree a percentage | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
of the legacy to go to the company for acting on their behalf. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
All right. Thanks very much. Thank you. Bye. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
One of the heirs is Keith, the son of Marjory's brother Edwin. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
The whole thing is a complete surprise, a complete shock, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
because as far as I'm concerned there wasn't anybody at all alive. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
I don't know Marjory Martin, my auntie. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
If she showed me a photograph | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
of my grandparents on my father's side, I wouldn't know them. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
I certainly wouldn't know Marjory Martin. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
And his inheritance is a welcome surprise. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
I'm actually looking to move house to the Reigate area...shortly, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:15 | |
and any money that I receive from this, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
obviously I'd be very grateful for it, and it's come at the right time. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:25 | |
It's also a good result for heir hunter Neil and his team. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
We've got the beneficiaries, we've got them signed, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
so we can proceed from here. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Heir hunter Phil was on the case of finding heirs to the estate | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
of Alexander or Archie Bishop who'd died in a care home in January 2013. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
Archie had never married or had any children, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
so Phil was looking for his brothers and sisters or their children, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
who would be beneficiaries to his £19,000 estate. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
Archie was illegitimate, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:01 | |
so Phil could only look into his maternal side. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
He had already discovered two heirs - | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
Archie's half brother and sister. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
Phil had a suspicion that Archie's mum Phyllis may have had more | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
than three children. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
His hunch was proved correct | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
when he discovered another potential sibling called Dennis. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
Dennis sadly passed away in 1994, but he had two children, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
so his share of Archie's estate automatically passes to them. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
Having found Dennis, Phil thought he'd now found | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
all of Phyllis's children, but then he got a surprise. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
Tony's sister Barbara had had a daughter who called Phil | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
and told him that after Phyllis's husband Edward had died, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
she'd gone on to have more children. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
Her daughter phoned me up, she gave me the details of three children - | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
a son John, a daughter Pamela and another son that was a possible. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:03 | |
One of them was John and the news came as a bolt out of the blue. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
I sort of just froze. It felt unbelievable. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
I didn't know about any other brothers or sisters whatever. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
You go through life and you think | 0:33:19 | 0:33:20 | |
you'll never ever be found by anybody, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
or nobody will be looking for you regarding a family. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
It was literally a real emotional shock. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
We couldn't get over it. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Phil then had to track down Pamela | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
and possibly one other child of Phyllis. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
On a Sunday afternoon, my phone beeped | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
and I had a text from Pamela Harrison. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
Just like her two brothers and sister, Pamela was also brought up | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
in care, but, at the age of four, she was taken in by a foster family. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
I've known nothing about any of my half brothers and sisters. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
I remember when I was about to leave my foster parents, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
there was something written down on a piece of paper that | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
I had a grandmother and I have brothers and sisters. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:13 | |
At that time, it was sort of a bit of shock | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
and I didn't really take it too seriously. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
She now lives in the New Forest area, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
close to her place of birth, Lymington. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
She was slightly overwhelmed when Phil got in touch. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Bit of a shock that all this has come up and, to me, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:36 | |
it seems quite sad, in some respects, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
that we were split up as youngsters. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
I've just moved into Southampton to come back to my roots | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
and thinking, "Why? This is too much. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
"Is this just the beginning of my life of adventure?" | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
Until Phil got in touch, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Pamela knew nothing of half brothers and sister. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
Apart from John whom she met through a friend at school. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
She introduced me to him. I looked at him and we looked so much alike. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
Same eyes, same sort of colouring. He said, "You must be my sister." | 0:35:12 | 0:35:18 | |
I said, "He must be my brother." | 0:35:18 | 0:35:19 | |
We looked at each other and I said, "Oh, my." | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
That chance meeting left Pamela with so many questions. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
I used to look at myself in the mirror. I used to say, "Who am I?" | 0:35:29 | 0:35:34 | |
I had a mother, I had a father, and I thought I must belong somewhere. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
Pamela decided to look for answers | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
and began to find out about her mother. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
She obviously came from a poor background. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
She must have been a very upset lady, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
a mother having to be split from her children. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
And I happened to be one of them. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
She probably wasn't able to look after me, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
and the authorities obviously took charge of her | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
and said, "We're going to have to put you into a hospital." | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
And she was there for quite a while, I gather for about nine years. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
It was more like a workhouse, I would say. I visited the place. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
It reminded me a bit like Colditz. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
Widowed and struggling, Phyllis was admitted to Coldest Medical Colony in 1945. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
Nowadays we don't talk about mental deficiency, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
but that might have covered people with learning disabilities | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
and people with mental health problems. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
It would have been a collection of houses | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
and places that people could stay with farmland round about, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
with pigs and cows, with occupational therapy. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
So it would have been a place where she lived her life in quite | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
a different way to mental health care that would happen in the modern context. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Conditions that Phyllis would probably have experienced would | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
have been living in a detached dormitory setting, single sex, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
with lots of other women. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:04 | |
It would have been in an area with a lot of land round about. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
She would have had the opportunity to take part in daily work | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
activities and so on. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
She would have been quite isolated from the rest of the community | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
round about, probably. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:16 | |
There could have been 900, 1,500 people, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
something like that, living as part of this colony. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
It would have felt like quite a big community to her, probably. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
Sadly Phyllis died in 1958 at just 38 years of age. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
None of her children ever had the chance | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
to get to know their mother, and the only family member Phyllis | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
had in her life was her mother Edith, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
who came to pick up her belongings from the hospital. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
When Phyllis's mother Edith went to the Coldeast Mental Colony | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
to collect her things, all she was given was a box of handkerchiefs, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
a wedding ring, a pair of white shoes. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
But what of her eldest son Archie? | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
Documents indicated that he also suffered from mental health problems | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
as he was a voluntary patient at the Mendip Hospital in Southampton. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
He must have returned to Burnham-On-Sea at some stage, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
though, as he died in his care home. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
Although we know that Alex went into hospital voluntarily that doesn't | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
necessarily mean that he volunteered or particularly chose that option. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
It might have been that at the time he had reached a certain age | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
where childhood services were no longer appropriate | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
and there wasn't any other option at that time but to go into hospital. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
It could have been the case that he was voluntarily admitted, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
but had he chosen not to do that, he may have been certified. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
Having found all of Archie's siblings and heirs, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
Phil's research was complete. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
He could now begin the often long process of helping them | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
claim their inheritance. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
But for heir hunter Phil, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
all the time and effort he put in paid off in more ways than one. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
At the beginning of this case, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
I didn't think there was much hope of solving it. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
I would never have guessed in a million years that it would be | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
such a story, that they would all be separated at a young age. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
The sad story of her husband going to war and dying. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
'It's just unbelievable.' | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
Then to have found them all has made me over the moon. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
Phyllis's six children all grew up separately, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
and while some of them met or found out about each other later | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
in life, it's only thanks to the | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
heir hunters that they now all know about each other. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
And today is a very special day indeed as the brothers | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
are meeting for the very first time in John's hometown of Pembroke. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
What I'm looking forward to most is just to meet somebody that you | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
never thought existed, but did. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
And now we can get together as part of a family. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
It is like a closure on things | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
that you'd been wondering all you life. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
If they did exist, who were they? | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
And when you were told they did exist and you hadn't met them, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
and as the years go on, it's very surprising that... | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
You don't want to end your life just wondering. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
Over the last few months the brothers have started to get | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
to know each other by chatting on the phone, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
but they've longed for this day. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
-Hello, John? -How are you, Tony? -Yeah, I'm very well thank you. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
-You all right? -Yes. Fine. Nice to see you. -And you. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
-You're better looking than your photos. You certainly are. -How nice. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
-This is my wife, Iris. -Hi. -A new sister-in-law. Lovely. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
-Nice to meet you. I've got something to show you. -What? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
-This I took off the internet the other day. -Right. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
-Lymington workhouse where we were both born. -Oh, my. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
They wanted to pull the building down, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
but Lymington Society saved it. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
-Preservation order, I think. -Yes. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
Grade II listed building. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
-Good grief. -The front is obviously the offices. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
-I wonder which room...? -I'll show you in a minute. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
We'll need to order some blue plaques now to get them on the wall. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
-Yes. -"The Harrisons were born here." -Yeah! | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
I did feel a sense of relief and a sense of part closure. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
-That's how I feel about it. -That's nice. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
-And I'm glad you're looking well. -Yes, thank you. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
-That means more to me than anything, actually. -How nice. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
John then shows Tony photos of his Dad's memorial grave in Yokohama. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
Some very nice close-up shots of his tomb. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
It looked well-kempt when I saw it on the internet. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
That's very nice. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:52 | |
Absolutely wonderful. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
I'm glad I met Tony. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
I nearly forgot your name then. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
And for the first time, they see a picture of their brother Archie, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
whose death has brought the family together. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
-Yes, the likeness is there. -Yes. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
I should imagine he's late '70s, '80s. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
-He's 81 when he passed away. -He's 81, yes. -God bless him. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
-And his physician assures me that he was a very... -Yes, you said... | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
He was a very nice chap - he said he was very pleasant, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
never grumbled, unlike me. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
There is a clear connection between these two long-lost brothers. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
John definitely feels like one of the family. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
He seems to have a similar sense of humour as I. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
So I'm very pleased about that. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
But today is just the beginning for Tony and John. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
What I'm looking forward to is meeting the rest of the family. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
The ladies, our sisters. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
And the future, meeting up again, enjoying a holiday | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
where we can all be as a family. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 |