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Each year, thousands of people die | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
with no known family and without leaving a will. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
I don't think anybody knew David. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
If no relatives come forward, their money will go | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
to the government and that's where the Heir Hunters step in. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
I'll have a look for William James. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
They're experts in tracing long-lost family members | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
who are entitled to a share of an estate. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
If there was a sister, try to get her name. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Their work involves detailed research | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
and there is often thousands of pounds at stake. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
It's urgent, because we've got to beat the competition. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
You know, there will be lots of companies looking at this case. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
But it's also about reuniting families | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
and bringing people closer together. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
I was racking my brains, trying to think, "Well, who could this possibly be?" | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
Above all, it's about giving people the news of an unexpected windfall. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
I was shocked. This is one of these things you hear about, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
but you never think you're going to be in line for ever receiving | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
money from somebody perhaps that you've never heard of. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Could the Heir Hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Coming up, research into one case | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
uncovers the most challenging of names. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
When you're hit with a surname like Smith, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
it's one of your worst nightmares. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
And the Heir Hunters take a huge gamble. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
You can only speculate so much. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
You need the certificates to prove it. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
-We need that marriage, don't be? -We need that marriage badly. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Plus how you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
held by the Treasury. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
Could a fortune be heading your way? | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Monday morning in central London | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
and the team at Heir Hunting firm Fraser & Fraser | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
are hard at work on a new case that's just come in. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
-Do want a new job? -OK. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
This chap died last week. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
David Walker. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Owns his property, has other assets, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
quite a valuable estate. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
In fact, the team estimate this case could be worth over £100,000. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
So it's now their number-one priority. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
All we do know at the moment is the deceased name | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
and his mother's maiden name. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
David Walker passed away in May 2013, in Newcastle. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
He was 69 years old. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Neighbour Albert Bendin knew him for over 40 years. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
He kept himself very much to himself. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
You might not see him for months upon a time, you know, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
and I knew him from being a younger man, not a boy, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
a younger man, because he lived here, I think, 60-odd years. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:52 | |
Although there were neighbours, they had very separate lives. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
Once or twice when I walked past, he would have said, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
"Well, how are you? And how's things?" | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
He wasn't harmful to anybody that I knew, you know, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
he would respond by "good day" or "good morning", | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
but outside of that, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
I don't think anybody knew David, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
you know, other than his mother. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
David lived all his life in the family home with his mother Edna | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
until her death in 2002. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
When his mother died, he didn't withdraw, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
but he didn't expand his life as a bachelor | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
living in that house on his own. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
With no will and no known next of kin, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
the team have been given the task of tracing David's heirs. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
We need to move on this really quickly, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
so I'm going to try to find next of kin as quickly as possible, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
just in case they want to become involved in the arrangement | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
of the deceased's funeral and, of course, would like to attend. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
A lot of the company's work comes from cases | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
that are advertised by the Treasury solicitors Bona Vacantia department, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
but they also get cases referred to them by other sources too. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
We pick up a huge number of private referrals. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
They come from members of the public or councils or neighbours | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
or someone who just happens to know about someone | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
who's passed away and know about us. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
Although the case has been referred to the team, it may have also | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
been given to any one of their rival heir-hunting firms. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
And so, they're going to have to work fast | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
to make sure they stay ahead. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:51 | |
But the people who've referred the case to the team are going | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
to give them what could be some vital information. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
They're going to fax me through a family tree | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
that they found in his possession, um... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
which suggests that he was a bachelor only child, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
mother's maiden name Turner. She didn't have all the details there, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
-but she's going to fax it through. -OK. -Could you start the initial research? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
To receive a ready-made family tree is almost unheard of. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
Potentially, having all the information they need in front of them | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
gives the team a huge head start, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
although they will have to verify the information | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
that they've been given. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
They've already been told that David's mother's maiden name | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
was Turner, and it's not good news. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
The problem is with a Walker on one side and a Turner on the other, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
both fairly common surnames, it's so likely that you're going to find | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
a lot of Walker-Turner births in Newcastle, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
so it's identifying the correct one. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
They waste no time in starting the research | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
and confirming the information they've been given. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
We look for a speculative marriage for the parents of the deceased, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
which now proves to be right because the mother is Edna, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
because she's actually shown on the electoral register | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
residing with her son, the deceased. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
All ties in, really, the deceased is a bachelor and an only child | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
and there he is sharing with his mother on the electoral register. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
David Walker was born in August 1943 | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
to Thomas Henry Walker | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
and Edna May Turner. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Confirmation that the deceased is definitely an only child. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
Again, that confirms the information Accounts has given me, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
which means now the heirs have to come via the father's | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
or mother's family, so they can only be, probably, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
first cousins or their descendants' cousins once removed. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
They have to widen their search, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
but will the ready-made family tree solve the case for them? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-Um... I'll go up and see if that fax has come in. -All right. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
This could be the easiest case that Dave's ever had to solve, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
but only if the family tree is accurate. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
OK, let's start with our man. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
All they need to do is look for any possible | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
aunts and uncles or their living descendants. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
The family tree shows the deceased here | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
and relates to his mother's family and going back in time. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
None of this is relevant to us, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
because it's too distant for purposes related to an intestacy. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
Great for a family tree, but no good to us. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
It's disappointing news for Dave, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
as under English and Welsh intestacy laws, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
you can only inherit if you're descended | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
from the deceased's grandparents. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
So Dave turns his attention to the one part of the tree | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
that is helpful. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
The mother... | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
is shown on this tree to have one sibling. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
There is no indication that they have descendants, so this kind of gives | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
you an indication that there's probably no-one entitled | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
on the maternal family. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
The tree may not have given Dave the head start he was hoping for, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
but he is focusing on the positives. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
It kind of...works both ways. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
If there was a family tree and it had all the heirs on it, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
they'd all know about it and wouldn't need us. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Great piece of work by someone. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
It's just no use to us. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
The team do have to double-check | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
that the information they've been given is correct, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
but, in the meantime, they turn their attention | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
to David's father, Thomas Henry Walker. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
At the moment, he's a mystery | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
and with such a common name, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
will the team be able to identify the right one? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
What? Sorry, go back to that list. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
These are the only three Newcastle deaths. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
He was born before that, so that can't be one. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
18... No, it could be... | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
The team are finding various records for Thomas Walkers. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
However, it's knowing which is the right one | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
that is proving to be difficult. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Let me question mark that. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
All we're trying to do is find the right death for the father. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
By finding the right death, we'll be able to find the right birth | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
without the need of, initially, having the marriage certificate. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
We desperately need this certificate, the marriage of the parents. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
The marriage certificate would give not only Thomas' age, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
allowing them to find the right birth record, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
but hopefully, his father's name too. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Until they can get their hands on the certificate, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
they look at all the Thomas Henry Walkers born around the right time. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
And Noel wants to cover all bases and widen the search. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Make sure that there's not another birth of a plain Thomas Walker | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
by 1908 or 1909 in Newcastle. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
If there isn't, Dave... | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
-I'll tell you what. Here's my wallet, I bet there is. -Do you reckon? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
DAVE CHUCKLES | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Not surprisingly, Dave wins his bet | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
but with so little information to go on, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
the team can only rely on guesswork for so long. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
-We need the certificates to prove it. -We need that manage, don't we? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
We need that marriage badly. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Although they're struggling with the paternal family, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
Noel has been able to confirm Dave's suspicions about the maternal side. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
With regards to the mother's side of the family, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
there isn't going to be any beneficiaries at all. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
She had one... The mother had one brother who died without any | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
issue, so that is completely dead. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
With confirmation that there are no maternal heirs, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
all hopes rest with the paternal family | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
and the race to beat the competition is on. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
-Right. -No one said this job would be easy. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
For heir hunters, an unusual name is a great place to start. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
However, they never know where it is going to lead. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
In 2012, genealogy firm Finders were faced | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
with what they hoped to be a straightforward case | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
of Marson Frank Naylor. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Based in London, the company is one of the largest probate research firms in the UK | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
and for managing director Daniel Curran, it's a rewarding business. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
There is a big plus on some cases | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
where you find people that have a life changing experience, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
whether that's through the money they inherit or through the family | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
they get to know about that they never knew about before. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
When the firm got to work tracing heirs | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
to Marson Frank Naylor's £230,000 estate, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
it was up to case manager Ryan Gregory to lead the team. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
The case of Marson Frank Naylor | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
first came to our attention in June 2012. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
We found out it was with the Treasury Solicitor's office | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
and we began work on it. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
Marson Frank Naylor died on 12 March 2012 | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
in Chesham, a picturesque market town in the Chiltern Hills. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
To his friends he was known as Frank | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
and neighbour William Phillips remembers him fondly. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I moved in 27 years ago. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
When we moved in, Frank was already there with his mother, Mary. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
He was a quiet man. Very quiet. A gentleman. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
He dressed quite nicely. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
Always very polite and especially to the young ladies, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
and old ladies as well. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
He always wore a hat and if you ever came round, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
he would always take his hat off... | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
You know, which is an old-fashioned thing that nobody does these days, you know. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
He was a very pleasant gentleman. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Yes, he was. A very nice man. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
You couldn't fault him, really. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
With very little information to go on, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Ryan started the search for Marson's heirs. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
When we started working on the case, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
literally all we had was the deceased's name | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
and a postcode for where he lived. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
They quickly established that Marson lived with his mother, Mary, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
until her death in 1991, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
and that he continued to live in the family home, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
which was valued in the region of £200,000. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
We found out the deceased owned their property. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
We knew we had to put everything into it | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
in the office to get things moving as quickly as possible. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
There's always the possibility that other heir hunting firms | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
are on the case as well. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
The race was on to track the rightful heirs before the competition. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Heir hunters work on commission, earning money by taking a percentage | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
of the estate which is agreed with any heirs they find. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
If a rival firm signs up the heirs first, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Ryan and the team won't make a single penny. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
Because the case was apparently of quite high-value, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
we had a few different people working on the case. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
One person's job was to try and find out whether Marson | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
was married during his lifetime and whether he had any children. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
Because the name Marson is very uncommon, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
it was quite quick for us to verify that Marson never actually married | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
during his lifetime and so it was unlikely that he had any children. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
With no children, the team then had to look to siblings | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
or nieces and nephews, as they would be next in line to inherit. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
From his birth certificate, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
they knew that Marson's parents were Frank and Mary Ann Naylor. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Frank was born in 1897, making him 17 at the outbreak of World War I. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
He signed up and served for a time | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
before transferring to the Machine Gun Corps. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
It was a front-line fighting force | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
that served in all the main theatres of war. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
They soon became known for great heroism | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
but also a high casualty rate, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
earning them the nickname The Suicide Club. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
There is no doubt that Frank | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
would have seen some of the most brutal horrors of the war. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
But he was one of the lucky ones who, against the odds, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
survived and returned to the UK. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
In 1936 he married Mary, whose maiden name was the name | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
that heir hunters dread the most - Smith. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
It's the most common surname in the UK, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
belonging to over half a million people. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
As soon as we knew Marson's mother's maiden name was Smith, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
we then had to do a search | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
to try and find out whether he had any siblings. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
We had to do a Smith birth search, which is quite a huge feat. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
With such a prevalent name, the search had to be narrowed down. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
Now we know that Marson was born in the Marylebone area | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
so we really have to focus our search quite close to Marylebone | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
and the surrounding areas | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
and that was where we found Marson's sister, Teresa. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Marson and his older sister lived a short distance from each other. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
They remained close all their lives and sadly, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
she died just two years before him. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
We were able to obtain a copy of Teresa's death certificate | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
quite quickly after finding out that she had passed away. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
From the death certificate we were also able to ascertain that | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Marson was actually the informant, which, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
one, showed us it was unlikely Teresa had any children of her own | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
but two, it showed they had a connection when she passed away. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
And actually, she probably was one of his last known close living relatives. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
Further research confirms that although Teresa married, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
she didn't have children. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
So with no living siblings or nieces and nephews, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
the search for Marson's heirs had to extend to the wider family. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
Marson's mother Mary was born to Anthony Smith | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
and Louisa Bryars in 1904. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
The team had to try to find Mary's siblings. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Although the maternal grandmother's surname was Bryars, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
there were still a lot of certificates that would have | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
to be ordered in order to establish who was born after 1911. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Bryars is a relatively uncommon name but once you combine it with Smith, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
you are more likely to find births from other families | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
and potentially waste time following the wrong lead. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
But the team had a trick up their sleeve - the census. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
The most recent one that researchers have access to was recorded in 1911. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
It takes a snapshot of a household on one day every 10 years. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
It's an invaluable resource for researchers as it shows | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
the person's name, age, occupation | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
and relation to others in the household. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
If Ryan could find Mary and her parents on the census, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
it could shed some light on how many siblings she had | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and narrow down the search. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
There were six children listed on the 1911 census | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and after carrying out the birth search, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
we identified a further four children | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
who would be brothers and sisters of Mary Ann Smith. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
The other four children were found by meticulously | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
searching through birth records. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
Mary was one of the six listed on the census | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
but it gave the team more information than that. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
As well as finding out how many brothers and sisters | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Mary Ann Smith may have had, we also found out her father, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
Anthony Smith, was actually a chimney sweep. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Chimney sweeps have always been terribly proud of their trade | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
because their tradition goes way back and people were always very | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
cheerful around sweeps, for some reason or other. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
It has this sort of aura. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Anthony was working in London during the early 1900s. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
Not only would he have had unrivalled views | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
of the city's rooftops but an insight into all types of society. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
Depending on his client, | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
there would have been a huge range of different types of chimneys. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
I mean, no chimney... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
There is no chimney that is exactly the same as any other chimney. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
He might have gone, say, to the Bank of England, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
and spent maybe a whole week doing all their chimneys. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Or he might have gone to just a small terraced house | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
and done one or two chimneys. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
This is a very early photograph of a chimney sweep | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
around about the same time as Anthony. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
And Anthony could have had a handcart | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
or he might even have had a horse and cart. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
And he had his own premises. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Of course, there weren't any health hazards for Anthony | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
at the beginning of the 20th century. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
Not like there were in the Victorian era. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
50 years prior to Anthony working as a chimney sweep, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
it was a very different job. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
Children were used as human brushes, if you like, for about 250 years. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:03 | |
Unfortunately, flues didn't go straight up, not all flues, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
they twisted and turned, and you needed somebody | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
to crawl around inside and to remove the soot with their bodies. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
For the children it could be an extremely dangerous job. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
The hazards weren't so much breathing in soot | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
but actually getting stuck in the flues... | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
..and caught in sort of bends and corners | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
and being trapped and not being able to get out. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
This might sound terrible but in Victorian times, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
it was quite a good trade to be in, really, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
compared to children who were down the mines or in the cotton mills, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
because the apprentice sweeps would be finished by lunchtime. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:00 | |
Chimney sweeps have a lot of folklore written around them | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
and are apparently good luck. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Although nobody knows exactly why a chimney sweep is thought to be lucky, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
probably one of my favourite theories is that at the time of George II, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:17 | |
apparently he was riding his horse through the park | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
and his horse stumbled and a chimney sweep sort of grabbed the reins | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
and saved him and ever since then, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
it has been decided that the luck of the sweep had saved the King. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
But there are all sorts of weird and wonderful theories. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Nobody really knows. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
It seems some of that luck had rubbed off on Ryan | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
and the team - they had already found nine entitled aunts | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
and uncles on the maternal tree and ten on the paternal side. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
But there were still plenty of heirs to find | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
and team were in for a big surprise. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
I've been doing the job about ten years | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
and I've probably had it about twice so it's still quite rare. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Heir hunters trace thousands of rightful beneficiaries every year. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
But not all cases can be cracked. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
There are thousands of estates on the Treasury's Bona Vacantia list | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
that have eluded the heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
There are actually two Bona Vacantia unclaimed estates lists. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
There is one list which is our current list of advertised estates. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
That's updated daily. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
There is also an historic unclaimed list, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
cases that have been referred to us between 1997 and 2013 | 0:22:36 | 0:22:42 | |
which have been dealt with by the Treasury's solicitor | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
but we are still looking for kin to come forward and claim. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Today we are focusing on two cases that are yet to be solved by the heir hunters. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
Could you be the beneficiary they are looking for? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
Could you be about to inherit some money from a long lost relative? | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
First the case of Ivy Mary Barnes. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
She was born in Kingston, Jamaica, in January 1921. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
Ivy was a widow. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
She moved to England and went on to marry in 1956. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Her maiden name was Crossman. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
When Ivy died on 23 January 2002 in Willesden, London, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
she didn't leave a will | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
and no relatives have come forward to claim her estate. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Did you know Ivy? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
Do you have information that could be the key to cracking this case? | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
Next is the case of widow Alexandra Cameron Wysocki | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
who was born in July 1920 in Glasgow. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
She died on 2nd March 2001 in Highgate, London, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
and she was also known by the name Sandra. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
The name Wysocki originates from Poland | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
and means one who came from or lived near "wysock", | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
meaning high or elevated land. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
Could this name be the key to unlocking Alexandra's past? | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Did you know her? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Both these cases remain unsolved and if no one comes forward, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
their money will go to the government. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
The public can get in touch with us in writing, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
either by e-mail or by post or on the phone. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
And that's how we will get in touch with them as well. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
Did you know Ivy Mary Barnes or Alexandra Cameron Wysocki? | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
Perhaps you hold the information that can solve these cases | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
or maybe you are the next of kin. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds heading your way. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
Heir hunting firm Finders were on the trail of the £230,000 estate | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
of Marson Frank Naylor, who died in 2012 in Chesham, Buckinghamshire. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
Neighbour William Phillips lived next door to Marson for 27 years, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
although it wasn't until a chance meeting that they became friends. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
He went to the Royal British Legion, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
and that's where I met him. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
And it was probably five years after I moved in that I realised | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
he was a member of the Royal British Legion. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
Other than that I was... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
I didn't know the man, really. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
And then I got to know him better. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
He liked to play snooker. I am an awful snooker player. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
I mean, I am the worst snooker player you've ever met | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
and Frank used to say, "You're no dang good as a partner. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
"I can't have a partner like you for long!" | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
I used to say, "That's all right, Frank. You play with somebody else." | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Marson was a regular figure at his Royal British Legion club | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
and a supporter of the organisation | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
that was set up for ex-servicemen like his father | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
who had returned from fighting in the war. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
The Royal British Legion is a welfare... | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
service welfare organisation. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
It started in 1921 as predominantly a club based organisation | 0:26:01 | 0:26:08 | |
so that soldiers who came back from the First World War | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
who had seen images that no one in England would possibly understand | 0:26:10 | 0:26:16 | |
could congregate together, find comradeship | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
and begin to go through what is recognised now | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
as that sort of counselling process to bring them back into normality. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
The Legion began with some support from fairly wealthy benefactors | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
together with a lot of the welfare support in local communities, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
where local neighbourhoods would look after each other. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Because communities were much more isolated in those days, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
long before the Internet and telephone. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
At its peak, the Legion had more than one million members | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
providing invaluable support to the men who had served in the war. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
I think probably, between the two World Wars, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
the Royal British Legion was one of those focal points for the community, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
without which the communities themselves may not have existed. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Between the wars they were hugely important, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
particularly bearing in mind the experiences that the adult males, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
predominantly, had been through in the previous decade. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
Although it was a place where ex-servicemen could find help, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
it also offered them other activities. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
They were able to play dominoes, darts and just generally congregate | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
as they would anywhere else but in this particular instance, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
congregate with people with shared experience. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
They are still going strong today and continue to offer support. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
The membership of the Legion was set up specifically for ex-servicemen. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:45 | |
As time progressed, it became servicemen, ex-servicemen | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
and affiliate memberships for their friends who lived in the local towns. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
In the office, Ryan and the team were making progress | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
on tracking down Marson's beneficiaries. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
They had established that any possible heirs to this estate | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
would be descended from siblings of his mother Mary or father Frank. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
In total they had found 19 entitled aunts and uncles | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
so there was a lot of work to do. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
But the team's research was about to uncover an unusual revelation. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
What we actually discovered was that Mary Ann Smith's sister, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Annie Smith, was born in 1910. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
She actually married her sister's brother-in-law, Leonard Naylor. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
So there is a crossover between the Naylor side of the family | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
and the Smith side of the family. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Which meant that Marson's maternal aunt Annie | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
married his paternal uncle, Leonard. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
So any children born from that marriage would be Marson's cousins, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
who were blood related through not only their mother | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
but their father, too. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Any potential heirs on that stem would be in for a shock. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Effectively means they would be receiving double the amount of money | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
that they would have than if they appeared on just one side. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
The crossover between the maternal and paternal families | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
does happen occasionally. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
I've been doing the job about ten years and I've probably had | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
it about twice so it's still quite rare but it does happen. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
The team were making headway | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
but they still had to track down Mary's other eight siblings. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
They discovered that four died without leaving living descendants. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
The remaining siblings did go on to marry and have children. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
One of which was Louisa. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
Both Louisa and her son George have passed away, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
meaning that her grandson Stephen | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
is entitled to a share of Marson's estate. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Stephen is Marson's cousin once removed | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
and was more than surprised to hear from Ryan, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
especially as he got the call when attending a very special occasion. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
The first time I heard the name Marson Naylor | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
was when I was at my daughter's wedding. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
He explained what the situation was | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
and I was up for receiving some money! | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
I was shocked. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Because it's one of these things you sort of hear about | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
but you never think you are going to be in line for ever receiving | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
some money from somebody, perhaps, that you've never heard of. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
So I feel very lucky, but I think anybody would. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
It turned out Stephen would be one of the many heirs | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
Ryan had to contact as the case quickly spiralled | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
into one of the largest he has dealt with. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
As there was almost 60 beneficiaries in this case, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
obviously it's a very large family tree | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
and very rare to have a case with so many beneficiaries. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
So we were very fortunate we managed to find everybody entitled. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
Although the inheritance is being shared by so many heirs, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
becoming a beneficiary came just at the right time for Stephen. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
I had already booked a holiday to go to Sri Lanka | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
for my partner's 60th birthday so of course, that paid for that. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
It was very nice and almost the exact amount as well | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
so that was very good. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Considering the difficulties the team faced, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
Ryan is counting his blessings. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
In this case we had a couple of main challenges. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
One of those was coming across potential competition in the case. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
We were lucky in this instance we were able to get to all | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
the beneficiaries before any other competition did. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
And there were the other complexity which was the Smith surname, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
which no genealogist particularly wants to come up against. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
So when you have a Smith family and you find beneficiaries on it, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
there is also a sense of achievement | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
that you have managed to take it through to its conclusion. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Back in central London the team led by case manager David Slee | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
are busy tracking down heirs to David Walker's £100,000 estate. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
David Walker died in May 2013. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
He lived all his life in the family home in Newcastle. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
Since starting the case they have discovered there are no | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
maternal heirs so all hope rests with his father's family. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
Noel has been searching through various records, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
trying to find any that relate to Thomas Henry Walker, David's father, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
and he has a hunch that one he has found might be right. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
I think we've got the birth of the father of the deceased | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
in 1904 in Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
He is the son of Thomas Henry Walker and Alice Henderson. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
At the time of David's birth, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
Thomas Walker was working as a pharmaceutical chemist, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
and doing so during a remarkable period in the development of medicine. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
Thomas Walker would have been | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
working as a pharmacist during the beginning | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
of the therapeutic revolution | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
that began just after the Second World War. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
Pre-war, Germany were the biggest pharmaceutical manufacturer. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
I think they... | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
About 39% of all exports were from Germany in 1938 | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
compared to 12% in England. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
So when the war broke out, a lot of medicines were cut off. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
There was a lot of work to do so the Allies joined forces. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
In the post-war period, the Allies, America and Britain in particular, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
worked together to develop new medicines and pool resources | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
in terms of money and scientific expertise | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
to get research teams working together. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
That led to a massive surge in the development of new, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
effective treatments. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
It was a time of innovation and some of the most important | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
medical sciences in history were developed. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
Penicillin was one of the things that was developed in 1939. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
As the first antibiotic, that played an important role | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
in treating war wounds and things like that, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
to stop them being infected. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
Health was clearly very important to the government in the post-war | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
period and the National Health Service was set up in 1948 | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
so there was a big push to protect the nation's health. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
Thomas would have been directly involved | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
in dispensing these new medicines to the public. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
The 1868 Pharmacy Act meant that all people dispensing medicines | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
had to register with the society, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
just so they are accountable | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
and we knew who was responsible in these kind of roles. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Thomas Walker qualified in 1932 as a chemist and druggist | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
and he seems to have just registered under his home address | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
so unfortunately we haven't managed to find out where he worked. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
And he stays at that address pretty much his whole career in Newcastle. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
Although a lot of formation about Thomas's work is available, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
the team are finding the search for his family more difficult. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
They believe they know when Thomas was born | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
and who his parents are but they can't find any record of siblings. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
If David had no aunts or uncles, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
there is no one in line to inherit | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
and his estate will go to the government. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
But the team don't give up. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
At the minute I'm trying to find him | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
and his family on the census. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Hopefully we'll open up the paternal side of the family. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
With all avenues exhausted, Noel hopes he's had a breakthrough. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
We have found a 1911 census with him and his mother | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
on the 1911 census with his half-brothers and sisters, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:32 | |
which suggested to us that Mum had been married before. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
The team hope they've found the right family. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
They believe Thomas's mother, Alice Henderson, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
was married before meeting his father. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
She married an Alfred Armstrong and had six children. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
They and their descendants could be entitled | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
to a share of David's estate. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
With no documented proof they are running with the assumption | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
they have found the right Thomas Walker | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
and start looking into the children. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
-Why don't you top line on the births? -Whack them in. -Whack them all in. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
-I've got them all apart from her. -1901, she's still a widow. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
1902 she marries him. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
They're the only surviving children - Joan, Herbert, Mamie and Alfred. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
-Mamie... -Is this Mamie... She's Mamie on both, isn't she? -Yeah. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
Mamie Armstrong is one of Alice's six children | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
from her first marriage, making her and any descendants heirs. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
Phone Newcastle. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
No one said this job would be easy. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Our priority is, at the minute, to apply for certificate | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
we will receive back tomorrow morning to confirm | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
that what we are doing at this moment in time is correct. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
And until we get the proof, the paper proof in front of us, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
we are still surmising a lot. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
The team have placed a priority order | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
for the marriage certificate online. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
However, with a day already spent on the case, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
Dave doesn't want to waste any more time. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
The certificates should arrive tomorrow afternoon | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
but without knowing if another company are working the case, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
every minute counts. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Dave wants the certificate as soon as possible so he puts a call in. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
Hi, Colin. It's David. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
Bachelor, only child. The son of a Thomas Henry or Harry Walker. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:29 | |
The team have an army of travelling researchers based all over the UK | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
whose job out on the road is to make enquiries, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
collect documents and crucially, sign up heirs. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
Nothing in this job gets the adrenaline going | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
more than making enquiries. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
A large part of my jobs is visiting registry offices | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
and obtaining certificates for births, deaths and marriages. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
Some offices you can go into and you can get a certificate | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
within half an hour and another one you will go in | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
and they will want seven days or even 28 days. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
One of the company's travelling researchers is in the north-east | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
and has been sent to collect the certificates. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
But for today, that is as much as the team can do. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
They have to wait until the morning when, hopefully, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
the all-important marriage certificate can be collected. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
We will bash this estate tomorrow morning. We need to. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
To see what happens on the paternal side. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
Even though we can't do anything more today, really, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
we won't let it go in the morning. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
It will be all hands to the pump again. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
The case could be blown wide open | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
if they have been researching the wrong family. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
They need that crucial marriage certificate. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Will all their work pay off? | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
The following morning, they pick up where they left off. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
We've got to try and get this up-to-date. Today would be nice. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
They are expecting a result by tomorrow. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Dave finally hears back from the travelling researcher | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
and is hoping for good news. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
All right. I'll leave that with you. Thanks, Colin. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Speak to you later. Bye-bye. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
What I've just learnt is the registry office in Newcastle | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
won't issue any certificates anyway. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
So pointless us even having the agent attend the office. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
This is a major blow as the team desperately needs | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
that marriage certificate to prove their research. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
But there is still hope because as well as sending a researcher | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
to try and pick up the certificate in person | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
they have also ordered copies to be sent in the post | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
and they should arrive today. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
There's not a lot we can do until we get proper proof | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
but whether or not it's right or wrong is another story. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
But the certificates that are actually coming back | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
this morning will prove whether what the complete picture | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
of what we are working is right or wrong. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
And when the certificates come in an hour later, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Noel and Dave can see if their hunches were right. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
-1896... -13th. Brilliant. Brilliant. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
The copy of the marriage of the deceased's parents. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
And what's crucial is that one of the witnesses is Mamie Lincoln. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:28 | |
Mamie Lincoln, we know, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
is the half-blood sister to the deceased's father. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
What's really useful is it ties together the half-blood | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
and the full blood, as we first suspected. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
But we needed confirmation and this is proof beyond all reasonable doubt | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
we are now on the right family. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
With Thomas's half-sister as a witness on the marriage certificate, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
the team know that all their work has paid off | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
and can put together a tree. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Dave can start calling heirs, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
knowing finally that they have the right family. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Musician and festival organiser Peter Lincoln | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
is one of 12 heirs that will inherit a share of David's estate. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Being a half cousin once removed, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
he was more than surprised to hear from the team. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
It was just weird cos I thought... I was racking my brains... | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
When I first received the letter I was racking my brains, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
trying to think who could this possibly be | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
and what's it all about and is it real or is it a scam? | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
So I asked around, asked my brother | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
and he'd heard of probate researchers | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
and the work that they do | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
and he thought it was worth my while to follow it up. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
We were both kind of intrigued, you know. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
I had never met David Henry Walker myself. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
My mother was aware of him and had met him years ago | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
and as far as I know, she knew his parents | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
and that's literally all I know about him. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
So when it was pointed out a relative of mine had passed away | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
in Newcastle I was quite shocked - who could this possibly be? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
But of course, I didn't even know he existed in the first place. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
It's given Peter a chance to reflect on his family. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
I found the whole thing fascinating and funnily enough, my dad, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
who died in 2007, was really into family history, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
so he would have been...he was a really keen genealogist | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
and he would have been desperate to have got his claws into this! | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
Peter is still struggling to believe it's happened to him. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
The whole idea of somehow suddenly coming in to a shedload of cash | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
out of the blue, from a relative | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
that wasn't even a full blood relative | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
and I've never met just seems kind of seriously unlikely. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
However unlikely it may have been, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
Dave's counting his blessings | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
that there are half-blood relatives to be found. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
We're very fortunate that the paternal grandmother | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
had previously married. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Otherwise this would have been an estate with no heirs | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
and it would have gone to the Crown. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 |