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Heir hunters specialise in tracing missing family members | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
who are entitled to money from a relative who's died. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
I'm trying to trace a lady who may have been born in Stepney. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Sometimes, the deceased simply hasn't left a will, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
and sometimes, they have become estranged from their family. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
Did look like Mum a bit! You did look like Mum. Your eyes. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
The race is then on for heir hunters | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
to find the often-distant relatives in line for a windfall. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
I had to read it two or three times because I thought, wow! | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
-What is this? -But this is a highly competitive arena... | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
Getting to a case first is the most important thing. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
..with dozens of firms hoping to pip the others to the post | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
to sign up heirs and claim their commission... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Because you're in a competitive process, there's a time constraint. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
..and hand over what could be tens of thousands of pounds. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Coming up... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
The heir hunters take on a case full of secrecy and scandal... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
The deceased had a potential sister. Um... But we have no name. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
And I think people are reluctant to give out that information at present. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
..while another job gives them a right run-around. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
All the candidates that I'd put together were all useless | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
and they all went in the bin and I had to start from scratch. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
held by the Treasury. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
Could a fortune be heading your way? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the world's largest probate firms. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
The husband left a probate some years ago. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
There could be some money there. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
Every day, they're racing against time to try to trace | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
the distant relatives of those who've died without leaving a will. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
I'll have a look for you, James. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
It's challenging. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
Case manager Ben Cornish is all geared up for a job that's | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
-just come in. -Just been given the case of Audrey A Berridge. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
She passed away in March of this year, 2013. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
It's quite an unusual name. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
We notice she's a Miss, but we can't find the birth record at the moment. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
We've tried England and Wales, Scotland. Um... But it's, er... | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
We can't find anything at the moment. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
This case has been privately referred to them | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and could be a high-value estate, potentially worth around £150,000. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
So for the time being, they're the only company investigating this. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
But for how long? | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Audrey A Berridge passed away here in her house on 19 March, 2013. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
She's believed to have lived all her life in Worcester. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
That's all the information the team have to start with | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
and, unfortunately, there are no surviving photos of her. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
However, her neighbour, Rhoda Scarett, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
who knew her for over ten years, can paint a picture of her. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I used to see her in the village and see her on the bus, in town. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
She was a very nice person, always friendly, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
always had a smile on her face, you know, always dressed nice | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
and, you know, you couldn't, like, say anything wrong about her, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
-I don't think. -But it would seem she led a very lonely life. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
You never saw her with anyone. She'd get on the bus on her own. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Audrey never married, as far as I know. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
She never even talked about a relationship or anything, you know. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Her life, I think, was more, you know, to herself sort of thing. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
Her one love, though, was her garden. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Where a little drive was, coming up from her house, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
from the cottage to the road, if you'd go by sometimes, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
you'd see her putting some little plants in there | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
cos I think she liked flowers, you know, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
so you'd see her putting these little plants in. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
And she'd just say, "Hello. How are you?" | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Back at the office, the team know Audrey died | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
a spinster, as Miss Berridge, but that's about it. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
It's a real problem, actually, isn't it? | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
This means they need to look to her wider family, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
but to do that, they need to find her birth. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
And immediately, the team have hit trouble. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
We haven't found her birth yet. Not going well. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Despite searching all the available databases, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
they cannot find any record for a birth of Audrey A Berridge. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
I just honestly think that she's... It's a completely made-up name. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
Without the birth, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
they won't be able to find out who Audrey's parents were | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
and, in turn, they won't be able to unlock the family tree. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
-He's born 1897. -But Ben has a theory. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
It does look like she's probably adopted by the Berridge family. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
So that's what we need to check now. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
The team must now search adoption records to see | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
if they can prove the theory. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
She's known as Audrey A Berridge. Cheers. Bye. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
The team have found records of people | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
who could be Audrey's parents, but with no way of proving a connection, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
it's little more than guesswork. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
And it appears to be baffling | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
even the most experienced of heir hunters. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
-William J Berridge? -He looks a bit old. He's very old. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
That could be probably the reason why they don't... They've adopted her. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I think we should work out one of these Berridge families, just to get it up to date. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
She might have just given her house to a Mrs Berridge | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
who's not really Mrs Berridge. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Likely to be a Miss Berridge, won't she? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
-Some female Berridge brings up the child in '37. -Mm. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
-Difficult. -Slowly but surely. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
The team just hope the adoption theory is right. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
Under Westminster constituency, it's West Worcestershire County? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
Oh, right. Bye. This is going to be a bit of a problem. If she's just.. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
Have got the name, taken on the name. Um... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
-No trace for that adoption. -Nothing at all? -No. No. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
It's probably an unofficial amendment. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
-It's going to be an unofficial one. -All right, matey. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
-If you just bring that one back with all the details... -Yeah. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
So that's the confirmation that she wasn't actually adopted. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
The search appears to be slowly grinding to a halt... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
-This is not looking too good. -..before it even gets going. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
Now she hasn't been formally adopted, it's a bit of a problem | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
because we can't find what she was known as before. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
She could have completely changed her name. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
I mean, she could have been called Audrey at birth, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
but we can't find any records. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
It's going to be a needle in a haystack to find any Audreys | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
been born in that area around that time. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
So it's a bit of a pickle, really. Yeah. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
With an estate worth around £150,000 at stake, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
the team aren't going to give up that easily. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
As heir hunters, they make their money from commission, which they | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
agree with the beneficiaries, so this could be a worthwhile case. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
The team decide to turn their attention to Audrey's house. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
There's a Violet Fanny Griffiths | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
born in Upton, which isn't a million miles away, is it? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
Looking at records of who's lived there over the years, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
they want to see if they can find evidence of a name change | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
or of other family members living there. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
Basically, there's a Griffiths living with the deceased at her property. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
She dies 1996, aged 93. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
She lived there, it looks like, with the deceased, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
so maybe there's a connection there. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
Could this be the breakthrough they're looking for | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
or could Violet Anne Griffiths just be a family friend? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
The team continue to plug away. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I think we're going to have to slowly build up a case, really, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
rather than... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Well, we can't go straight into it because we just don't know who this | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
woman is or what she's born under or who her family connections are. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
-Apart from that, it's going well(!) -Yeah. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Ben just hopes the travelling researcher will unearth some | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
useful information to help get this investigation under way. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
OK. Well, if you, you know... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
Just see what else you can do cos it would be good to try and... | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
If there was a sister, try and get her name. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
But, yeah, I'd definitely ask at the local shops cos I called... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
She did work at a shop. OK. Cheers. Bye. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
Enquiries have been made at the local address. Um... | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
No-one really knows her. They had to chip together to... | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
For a pauper's funeral. Um... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Some information that we have gleaned is that the deceased | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
had a potential sister. Um... But we have no name. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
And I think people are reluctant to give out that information at present. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
So we're making some more enquiries with the people that actually | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
organised the funeral and hopefully pick up some certificates | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
and maybe we'll get lucky on the certificates. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
But it's going to be difficult to prove anything | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
cos there's no real connection at the moment, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
so need to get a body of evidence together and see where we end up. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
But at the moment, it's not looking too good. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
Travelling researchers spend their time out on the road, making | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
enquiries, collecting documents and, ultimately, signing up heirs. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
That's our sole aim, you know? | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
The most difficult side of the job is to tell | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
a person their mum's died or their dad's died. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
That's the most difficult part of the job, really. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
In this quiet village where Audrey lived, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
there's a close-knit community. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
However, Audrey appeared to lead a very private life. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
Basically, she told me once about her work, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
and that was about it, about her mother and her friend. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
And that's all, really, Audrey ever, you know, ever told me, I think. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
With no-one able to shed any more light on Audrey's family, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
the team in the office have got their work cut out... | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
..and are now abandoning computers | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
and resorting to good old-fashioned research. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
There's an air of mystery starting to build around this case. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
But for Ben, an air of frustration engulfs him at the moment. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
This is...this is what I hate. Four, seven cases upstairs just like that. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:36 | |
What is this, where does it all belong? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
As the team are not making too much headway | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
using the computer databases, Ben makes the decision to | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
take their research into their well-stocked library which contains | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
parish records and specialist directories going back centuries. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
Senior researcher Roger decides to have a look | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
at the 1937 electoral register in the library. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
The team think this would be around the time Audrey was born. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
It's one name and one address so it gives us a start, hopefully. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
We will see. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
Roger has found an Alice Berridge listed on the electoral roll | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
and wonders whether she might be a relative. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
We are looking into possible deaths for her | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
and we think we've got one in 1966 in Martley. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Is this the vital breakthrough the team have been hoping for? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
Or could it be another dead end? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
We think this is possibly her mum. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
Finding long-lost relatives requires quick thinking | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
and meticulous research by the heir hunters. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
They're often referred to as the detectives of the genealogy world. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
The process of finding heirs to unclaimed estates | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
is rarely straightforward. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
But it's one that's relished by probate firms like Celtic Research. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
In my work, because we deal with death and money, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
you often see the best and the worst sides of people and often | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
the stories that we have to deal with are quite sad but it's always | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
a challenge whenever we are working a case that is very difficult. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
One recent case that caused case manager Saul Marks | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
a bit of a headache was the £10,000 estate of Frederick Campbell. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
Even though it wasn't a high-value case, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
Saul decided to investigate as Fred lived and died in Birkenhead, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
which is just over the water from his Liverpool office. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Obviously Frederick Campbell is a very common name | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and there was no middle name to narrow it down for us, so... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
I looked initially at other people named Frederick Campbell | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
who had been born and who lived in the Birkenhead and Wirral area | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
in the hope that one of these might be our deceased. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
When Saul got Frederick's death certificate, he discovered | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
he wasn't as local as he initially thought. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
The deceased was actually born in 1912, he was 99 when he died, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
and he was born in Middlesbrough. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
So all the candidates that I'd put together were all useless | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
and they all went in the bin and I had to start from scratch. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
Frederick Campbell died on 28 May 2012. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
He was living in a nursing home on the Wirral when he passed away. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
His friend and brother-in-law Derek Leaming was with him. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
Well, I was quite fond of Fred because, you know, man to man, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
you could talk the sport, jobs, anything, you know? | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
He always got on well with myself and I felt so lonely for him | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
because he'd gone 99.5 years and he was at the end on his own, you know? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:55 | |
But he hadn't always been alone. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Fred married Florence Davis, Derek's sister-in-law, in 1973. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:03 | |
We used to go to the Labour club at Wallasey. Fred used to sing. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
Not that I saw him sing, but he used to play the ukelele. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:14 | |
Sadly, Florence passed away in 1998 and they had no children. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
Fred then lived on his own with the social services coming in | 0:14:20 | 0:14:28 | |
because his sight was receding. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
They were coming in in the morning to do his breakfast. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Derek also paid regular visits | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
to his brother-in-law and kept in touch until the day he died. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
But he is not an heir to Fred's estate. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
In Liverpool, Saul's search for beneficiaries | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
was well and truly under way. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
I went through the electoral rolls, going back and back in time. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
In the early '70s his wife's name disappeared off the roll | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
and a couple of years before that there was a different lady | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
living there, named Edith Campbell, and I was thinking, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
"Well, I don't think that's his mother's name | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
"and it wasn't his wife's name, perhaps it was a sister?" | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
And then it dawned on me, perhaps he'd been married before. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
Sure enough, Saul soon found a marriage in 1951 of Frederick | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
to Edith Hoggett on the Wirral. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:25 | |
At this point in the research, I'd established that the deceased | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
had been married twice | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
and he'd had no children by his second marriage to Florence Davis. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
Um, he didn't appear to have any children by his first marriage | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
to Edith Hoggett either. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
So it was to the wider family the heir hunters had to turn | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and Saul was quick to establish that Frederick's parents | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
were James and Clara Campbell. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Fred was their sixth child, born in 1912. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
At this time, the area was booming as a steel town and Fred's | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
father and grandfather worked in the local steelworks as engine drivers. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
Looking at the history of this region, erm, Middlesbrough as we | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
understand it now as a town didn't exist prior to round about the 1850s. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
It was the railways which brought other industries to the area | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
and it was the Pease family that actually had the controlling interest | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
in the Stockton and Darlington Railway who made the first extension | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
of the railway lines out to what we call | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
the ironmasters district of Middlesbrough. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
But to make it valuable they wanted other industries to come to | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
the same area and use their railways so they attracted the iron makers | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
and it was Bolckow and Vaughan, one of the first companies that came | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
to Middlesbrough, and suddenly everything started to blossom. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
Frederick followed in their footsteps, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
working at the Haverton Hill steelworks as a stoker. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
Life in iron and steel furnaces was pretty mucky, pretty grimy, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
pretty dangerous. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
When you look at old photographs of workers they're basically | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
wearing what we would call ordinary clothes. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
You know, they're wearing a pair of trousers, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
a shirt with their sleeves rolled up, a waistcoat, a scarf around their | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
neck and a flat cap and that was about all they had to protect them. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
Certainly, in an iron works, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
it wouldn't be odd to be working a 10 to 12 hour shift. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
A tough job and skills that would be needed when Britain went to war. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
During the Second World War, Fred was stationed on board | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
the Sir Evelyn Wood, a ship used for the transportation of men, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
ammunition and other supplies. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
The Sir Evelyn Wood was an 850-tonne iron steam coaster that saw service | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
with the war department fleet | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
and Royal Army Service Corps fleet from 1896 until 1957 - | 0:17:49 | 0:17:56 | |
a remarkable period of service, lasting 61 years. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
His role was chief stoker. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
The vessel was powered by a twin compound steam engine. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
And it wasn't just the seas that were gruelling. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
A stoker was responsible for shovelling coal | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
into the boiler of the ship's engine. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
The stoker would work in temperatures potentially up to 150 degrees | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
with the atmosphere full of coal dust and with | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
the ship pitching and rolling in both calm and rough seas. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
For Saul, the hunt was on for living relatives to inherit | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Fred's £10,000 estate. He'd now found out Fred had six siblings. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
Several of the deceased siblings died in infancy but there were | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
two brothers and a sister who actually had children so there were | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
actually 14 nieces and nephews of the deceased who were still alive. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
It looked like Saul had cracked the case, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
and in one fell swoop found all the heirs to this estate. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
Ready to put this case to bed, Saul was all set to sign them up, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
only to be dropped a bombshell. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
The deceased had actually been married three times. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Every year, the heir hunters manage to crack the majority of their cases | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
and track down heirs to unclaimed estates. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
However, there are always a few that elude them | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and stay on the Treasury Solicitors bona vacantia list. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
Bona vacantia is Latin for ownerless property | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and there's two main types. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
The first is the property of now-dissolved companies. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
And the second is a property of those who die without a valid will | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
and without anyone entitled to inherit. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
But the cases won't remain on this list indefinitely. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
A case will stay on the list for 12 years, so either | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
until it's claimed or until the limitation period is passed. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Today we are focusing on two cases that remain unsolved. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
The first is Dorothy Avery, who died on 3 April 1988 | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
in Friern Barnet, North London. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
She was born though in West London, in Hammersmith, on 2 June 1898. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
Dorothy is believed to have been one of six children, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
having four brothers and one sister. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
Do you know anything which could shed some light on Dorothy's family? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
The next case is Joanna Margaret Andrews. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
She died on 10 July 2011 in Tyne and Wear. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
However, she was born in India on 18 December 1935. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Joanna had been married to a Joseph Andrews, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
but he died in 1968, leaving her a widow. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
When it comes to who inherits an estate, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
the heir hunters have to follow the rules of intestacy. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Generally the first people who are entitled are the spouse | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
or a civil partner of the deceased. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
After that it's blood relatives who are directly descended | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
from the grandparents of the deceased, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
as set out in the Administration Of Estates Act. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Do you have any clues that could help solve these cases? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Or maybe you believe you're related so could potentially have | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
thousands of pounds coming your way? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Heir hunter Ben Cornish and the team from Fraser and Fraser | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
are hard at work on the mysterious case of Audrey Berridge | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
who passed away at home in Worcester in 2013. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
She died without a will, leaving an estate worth upwards of £150,000. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
We haven't found her birth yet. Not going well. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
After a day on the case, the team has | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
so far been unable to find a birth certificate for the deceased. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
I just honestly think that she's, it's a completely made-up name. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
And the only leads the team have to help identify Audrey | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
are two names, Alice Berridge and a Violet Griffiths. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Both had lived with Audrey up until they died. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
It's a new day and the team are again hard at work | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
seeing if they can make headway on this tricky case to solve. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Yesterday we thought that the deceased was adopted, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
suggested that she may have been adopted by the Berridge family. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
It may be that she's just been given to this Alice Berridge | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
and Alice Berridge has brought her up and named her, so there's many | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
different possibilities of what could have happened. So now, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
we can work back this individual and see how she is connected in. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
We still would be concerned about the fact | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
that they cannot find the deceased's birth record. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
But it's a lot more positive than it was looking yesterday. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Alice was born in 1873 and was married to a John Berridge, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
they had no children. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
But what emerges through the team's research | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
is that Alice had been married before, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
to a William Griffiths in 1901. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
And they had one child, Violet Griffiths. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
So that made Alice and Violet mother and daughter, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
but what relation were they to Audrey? Was Alice Audrey's mum? | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Were Audrey and Violet half-sisters? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
The team desperately have to find answers. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
We just had to look for any "Audrey A"s in a 10-year period | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
from 1938 forward and back to see | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
if we can find any births of an Audrey A to tie it in. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
The team order in birth certificates for the Audrey As they have found | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
and when they arrive in the office, it's good news for Ben. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
We noticed straight away it was our deceased. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
It was Audrey Anne Griffiths, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
she was born 28 September 1930. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
So the Violet Griffiths that we found, we initially thought she was | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
a half-blood sister, but since she appeared on the birth certificate | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
of the deceased we now know that she was actually her mother. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
This is a massive breakthrough for the team. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
It means they now know that Alice Berridge | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
was in fact Audrey's grandmother. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
The pieces of the puzzle are now slowly coming together, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
and it looks like neither Audrey or Violet had any siblings. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
It means there's going to be no family at all | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
on the maternal mother's side of the family. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
But why was Audrey a Berridge and not a Griffiths? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
On the death certificate of Violet Annie Griffiths, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
no relationship is ever given between her and the deceased. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
The deceased is the informant, but I am not sure | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
whether they didn't want to... She did not know that was actually | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
her mother or they chose for some reason | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
not to list their relationship. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
As all three women had passed away there were going to be no answers | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
to that question, and as there were no heirs on the maternal side, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
what the team now had to do | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
was focus their attention on the paternal side. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
We haven't got a name on the birth certificate, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
no father is shown on the birth certificate, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
so really we've got no paternal side. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
The mystery behind the family deepens. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
The lack of a father's name on Audrey's birth certificate indicate | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
she was born illegitimately and with no heirs through her mother's side | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
of the family, this brings the team's two days of hard work | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
to a sudden standstill. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
With no maternal heirs and no paternal family to trace, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
it looks as though there will be no beneficiaries | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
and no commission for the heir hunters. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
But with an estate worth around £150,000, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
company boss Neil is refusing to give up. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
If he can find out and prove who Audrey's father was, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
they may still be able to find heirs. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
He's decided to travel to the area where Audrey died | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
to see if he can find anything in the local records. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
So the information we have and what Ben's been able to put together | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
is that the deceased we think is an only child, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
the birth certificate seems to indicate that she's illegitimate. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
So...we're going local, really, we are going back to the local records | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
and we are going to see if we can find some trace | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
of why it's illegitimate or... | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
You know, why we... if we can find a father's name. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
Neil first heads to the local archive office | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
to search the records. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
The names I am searching for are Berridge and Griffiths. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
We're searching under the name she's died under. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
The name we found the birth registered under | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
as well as her forenames. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
It's not too bad, going through a book like this. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
You can pick it out and because we've been doing it for a while | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and I've been doing it for a while, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
it's several years since I looked at them, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
my tactic is I always go through the surnames first and then go | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
backwards so turn the pages the opposite way to go for the forenames. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
It just means you can focus your eyeline a bit on one column | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
and in the end it works out quicker. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Neil has no luck tracing Audrey, but does find her mother Violet. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
And then, flipping on a few pages, and it really is only a few pages, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
but it's the best part of 30 years' worth of baptisms... | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
we get to 30 August 1903. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
And here we have an entry for Violet Annie Griffiths. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
Violet Annie Griffiths is the mother of the deceased. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
It says her father is William Arthur, her mother Alice, everything ties up | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
with the information from the birth certificate | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
so we are definitely in the right area, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
the right parish and unfortunately, I can't find the deceased, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
which means I can't find a father's name. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
However deep the team dig, they cannot find an ounce of information | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
to help them identify Audrey's father. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Neil has now decided to make his way over to the house | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
where Audrey lived and died. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
This property will contribute a large amount | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
to the total value of the estate. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
As decorations and standards of repair go, this is pretty bad. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:44 | |
Building-wise, it's a beautiful building. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
It's solid brickwork, beautiful headstone over the door. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
But, just a very, very poor state of repair at the moment. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
However, even though the house is in such a bad state, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
it is a valuable asset. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
I know that an end terrace of this quality is going to be worth | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
a few thousand pounds, a few tens of thousand pounds, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
maybe even up to £150,000. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
It is a valuable estate. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
It is certainly worth us doing something on it. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
It is worth us following up as hard as we can. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
It is an estate which we don't think anyone else knows about. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
But with no-one so far to inherit it, it is worthless to the company | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
as they won't earn any commission. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
Neil pushes on, and there's one last avenue to explore. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
The company's research has revealed | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
that at the time of Audrey's birth, her mother Violet | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
was living at a nearby stately home called Croome Court, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
the home of the Earl of Coventry. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
The family first came in about 1570. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
They moved here because the then Thomas Coventry | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
married a young lady from this area, a very rich young lady, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
and with her dowry came some of the land in this area. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Sadly, she died after having about four children. So he remarried | 0:29:03 | 0:29:11 | |
another young lady from the local area who came with more land. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
That was the start of the Croome Estate. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
When the sixth Earl inherited Croome in 1751 he had dreams | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
of modernising the estate, and called on the esteemed | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
landscape architect Capability Brown to take on the job. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
It so happened that in 1751 as well, Capability Brown had set up his own | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
business in Hammersmith, and so Lord Coventry became his first client. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
So he brought him here, not initially to do the park, but to do the court. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
Now, it's unusual for Brown. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
There are other buildings that he was architect for, but Croome | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
was his first one and Croome was also his first landscape park creation. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:03 | |
So Capability Brown set about bringing the Earl's vision to life. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
It was to make a complete work of art with the house sitting in the middle, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
the parkland surrounding it, and they worked together. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
From the park you look back at the house | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
and see it almost as a garden building. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
But when you get inside the house | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
and look out, you look at all the garden buildings. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
And all those views are designed. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Wherever you stand, in the house or the park, and look out, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
you are looking at a designed view. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
We often say there is nothing at Croome has happened by accident. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
Both Violet and her mother Alice lived at Croome Court, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
because Alice's father William worked there as a stud groom. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
He would have had a terribly responsible job. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
He would only have been accountable to the ninth Earl himself. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
He would have started off at the age of 13 or 14 | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
straight from school as a lowly stable lad. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:04 | |
He would have mucked horses out. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
He would have groomed them, he would have swept the yards, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
he would have learnt to ride on very, very quiet horses. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
Over the years, he would have worked his way up to responsibility. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
William's daughter Alice we know lived up here | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
and her daughter Violet was baptised around here. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
Would the Earl's children have mingled with the staff's family? | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
As very young children, yes. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Later on in life, possibly there would have been a barrier. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
Violet, the mother of our deceased, she has this illegitimate child. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
All we know is that she was brought up | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
probably around here in the 1930s. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Is there any indication, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:52 | |
is there anything to say who the father could have been? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
It could possibly have been anyone from a page boy to the hierarchy. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:02 | |
It's very difficult to know. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
So many questions remain unanswered from this case, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
but one thing is certain - | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
the heir hunters have done all they can | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
to trace any beneficiaries to the estate of Audrey Berridge | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
and, this time, have to walk away empty-handed. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
This is the end of the line, really, with the estate. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
We have taken the enquiries and the work as far as we possibly can. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
Out here at Croome Court, it's a remarkable place, you know, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
the deceased was probably conceived around here, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
but by who, who is the father, it could be anyone, we'll never know. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
We can't do anything else. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
English and Welsh law is quite clear, we can only go to first cousins. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
We haven't got any paternal side, the mother is an only child, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
she's got no cousins. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
This is one of those estates which the government is going to pocket. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
When Fred Campbell passed away aged 99, he left behind a £10,000 estate. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:14 | |
With no children from his two marriages, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
Celtic's Saul Marks had traced nieces and nephews. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
But as he was just about to sign them up, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
a new revelation came to light. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
We've been working on the assumption that the deceased had no children | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
from either of his two marriages that we knew up to that point. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
So we were on the point of sending contracts out to them | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
when we established that the deceased actually had been married before | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
and he had been married three times and had children by his first wife. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
That meant the research Saul had done was redundant | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
and he would have to start all over again | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
as the heirs he thought he had found would not be heirs | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
if Fred and his first wife had had children. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Fred was born in Middlesbrough, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
but spent the last 20 years of his life on the Wirral. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
He found work there at a Cadbury's factory in Moreton. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Cadbury's, one of Britain's best-known companies, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
was established in 1824 by John Cadbury. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
It all began when he opened a grocer's shop in Birmingham | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
selling cocoa and drinking chocolate. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
But it was his sons, George and Richard, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
who really broke the mould when they took over the company in 1861. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
Their plans for the future were ambitious. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
They wanted to build a place full of green spaces | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
where industrial workers could thrive away from city pollution. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
So in 1893, the pair bought up more land | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
to build a village for their workers. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
They named it Bournville after a nearby stream called Bourne Brook. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Under the scheme, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:04 | |
workers could purchase the homes they lived in, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
and, often for the first time, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
they had gardens to relax in and grow their own vegetables. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Fred continued to work for Cadbury's in Moreton until he retired in 1975. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
For case manager Saul, the hunt was on for Fred's first wife. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
During the research, there was a marriage listing | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
that had caught my eye of a Frederick Campbell | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
marrying a Violet Banks in Middlesbrough in 1934. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
I thought this was worth investigating. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
I established that that marriage actually produced several children. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
Could these children be the rightful heirs to Fred's estate? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
The first thing Saul had to do was to prove it was the right family. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
What I didn't know was whether he had married before. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
On that marriage to Edith Hoggett, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
he would have been down as a widower or a divorcee. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
Sure enough, not only was he the right man, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
but he was actually listed | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
as previously the husband of Violet Ada Banks. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
That was wonderful because that proved that the marriage | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
that I found in Middlesbrough was the correct person. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Frederick and Violet had three children. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
The thing is with this case, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
we nearly sent contracts to the wrong people. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
This was quite a relief because, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
instead of contacting 14 nieces and nephews, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
we knew we were down to three or four children of the deceased | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
so, hopefully, there would be less work | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
and the case would be solved more quickly. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
Saul discovered the eldest daughter Mavis had died in her twenties | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
and she had no children. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
However he couldn't find a death for Florence or Violet, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
or indeed any trace of them. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
The second daughter Florence caused us quite a few problems, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
but ultimately, after quite a bit of work, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
we established that she died under her maiden name of Campbell. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
We assumed that she was a spinster | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
and that, again, there would be no heirs from that line either. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
But just to make sure, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:11 | |
I obtained a copy of her death certificate | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
from Middlesbrough Registry office, and that actually revealed | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
that she had been married and that the informant was one of her sons. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
This was the breakthrough Saul needed. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
He quickly found Anthony, Florence's eldest son. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
Anthony knew of his grandfather Fred, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
but his name wasn't mentioned often in the family home. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
I was quite intrigued, actually, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
because I wasn't sure that anybody in my family had any money to pass on. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:42 | |
I was also intrigued that it was from my grandfather because, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:48 | |
to tell you the truth, I didn't have many details about his life | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
and I was hoping that maybe I could find out more. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
Anthony then put Saul in touch with his three siblings | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
who were also heirs to Fred's estate. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Saul still had to find Fred's youngest daughter, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
and he soon came across some interesting information. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
By sheer coincidence, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
the deceased's surviving daughter actually lived only a few miles away | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
from where he was living, and yet they hadn't been in contact. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
It's amazing how families can move from one side of the country, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
back again and back again over the course of generations. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
She hadn't been in touch with her father for some years, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
so she had no idea that he had passed away. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
It was actually her daughter who broke the news to her. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
The fact that she also lives in Liverpool, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
not far from our office, was very convenient for me | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
because I popped down that same evening | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
and had a nice meeting with her and signed her up. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
For Fred's grandson Anthony, he now wants to know more | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
about the grandfather his mother rarely spoke about. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
My memories of Fred are very scarce. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
I remember Mum showing me one picture of him. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Apart than that, I had no other details. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
From the few details Anthony does know, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
he shares one thing in common with his grandfather. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
I know that he served some time at sea. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
I had cousins and uncles who served time at sea | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
and being a current serving coastguard officer, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
I suppose there are those links. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Today, Anthony is travelling from his home in Norfolk to Liverpool | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
to meet two of Fred's brothers-in-law, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
Derek and Alex, both of whom knew his grandfather well. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Today I'm feeling intrigued and excited. My first time in Liverpool. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:42 | |
I've made a five-hour car journey | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
to find out some background on my mother's father. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
For me, it's especially important today | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
because today would have been my mum's 75th birthday. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
I'm doing it partly for her too. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Anthony is meeting Derek and Alex at the famous Albert Dock. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
-Hello. I'm Derek. -Hello, Derek, nice to meet you. -How do you do? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
-Are you OK? -Take a seat. -He's like Fred's build. -Yes. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:21 | |
Anthony sees for the first time in decades | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
what his grandfather looked like. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
That's your grandfather. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
That's taken approximately about 20 years ago. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
Yes, I can see where you're coming from. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
-I can see my mother's face on him. -I did meet your mother. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
I didn't know about you. We both have a few times. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:52 | |
Derek and Alex then give Anthony an insight into Fred's character. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
-He loved music. -Yes, he did like music. -My mum did. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
He did a lot of singing when he was younger. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Because when he first came into our family, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
-he used to sing when he was walking along. -Always singing. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:14 | |
-Any time he was sitting there, he'd start. -Chirping away. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:20 | |
I wonder that's where my mum got it, because she was always singing. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
I was brought up on Elvis Presley. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Did you know about your grandfather then? | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
I only had really sketchy details. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
I didn't know he played the ukelele or that he was a stoker. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
All I knew was that he spent time at sea, I didn't know what he did. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
-He sounds like a bit of a character. -He was a character. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
He got on well at the nursing home | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
because the majority were women there. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
He was in his element there. He was quite happy there. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
'Florence's son was very helpful. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
'He remembered his grandfather and he was kind enough to put us' | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
in touch with his siblings and the family of his surviving aunt. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
Thanks to him, we were able to conclude the case quite quickly, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
once we had spoken to him. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
All his life, Anthony's grandfather has just been a faint and hazy image | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
in the background. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
But now the memory of his grandfather can only grow stronger | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
as he learns more about him from the people who knew him so well. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
It feels great. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
They told me things that I didn't know, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
things I probably couldn't have got off my mum. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Bits about his life, like he used to play the ukelele. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
I can see the jovial side of him now. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
It's taken the intrigue out of him. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
It's opened him up to me and made him, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
kind of filled him out, made him a full person. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
Fred, my wife, myself. | 0:42:58 | 0:42:59 | |
I honestly believe he is the kind of man | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
I would have liked to have got to know better. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
Somebody I honestly think I could have spent time with. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
Just getting to know him. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
The way he comes across, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
I could have seen us spending many long hours together. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 |