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Each year in the UK, thousands of people die without leaving

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a will and with no known relatives.

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We've certainly never seen anybody come to visit, in all the time

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we've known the house.

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If a member of the family doesn't come forward to claim

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the estate all the money will go to the government.

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And that's where the heir hunters come in.

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They specialise in tracing beneficiaries and giving

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them news of a legacy which can turn their world upside down.

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I've never met him or anything, so this is out of the blue.

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The heir hunting world is steeped in rivalry, as thousands

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of pounds can be at stake.

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There is talk that it could be upwards of £50,000

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in savings accounts.

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And families and long-lost relatives can at last be reunited.

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Hello. Come in!

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Above all, it's about giving people news of an unexpected windfall.

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Could the heir hunters be knocking at your door?

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Coming up... the race is on to beat rivals to an estate

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worth in excess of £750,000.

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I hope there's not going to be competition,

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but until you get there, you just don't know.

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And the success of a valuable case rests on the heir hunters

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discovering crucial documents.

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I've just, in the bottom of this wardrobe, I found a false floor.

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I lifted it up and I have some boxes.

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Plus, how you could be entitled to inherit unclaimed estates

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held by the Treasury.

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Could thousands of pounds be heading your way?

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It's early on a summer morning and heir hunter Stuart is driving

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across the Wiltshire countryside, in pursuit of a new case.

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First case of the day, travelled up to Swindon.

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What a lovely day to be out and about in Wiltshire!

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Stuart works for London-based company Finders

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and he's been dispatched by Senior Case Manager

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Amy-Louise Moyes, who has spent the past couple of days

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researching the estate of Michael Naish.

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It's a private referral.

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We've been given his death certificate

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and informed that the estate, quite a large valued estate,

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it's worth between £750,000 up to, potentially, a million pounds.

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With such a high-value case at stake the pressure is now on Stuart,

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because he's on his way to visit potential heirs to this fortune.

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I hope there's not going to be competition, but you never know.

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People... I've arrived at doors before

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where somebody has been in there

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and you just bow out graciously, but I don't know.

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Until you get there, you don't know.

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Michael Naish died, aged 79, on 24 October, 2011, at his home

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in an Oxfordshire village.

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Unfortunately, there are no surviving photographs of Michael.

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However, he's remembered fondly by people in the village, as he was

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a familiar face in the area, running the local pub for over ten years.

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Very well known in the community, very well liked.

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You only ever saw him working seven days a week.

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The older people said he was lovely - a nice person,

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down-to-earth, always willing to help.

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Well, he would've been the centre of the community, because everybody

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in the area would have come to see him at night, have a chat, a drink.

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They would sit here all night talking, spitting sawdust,

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as they used to call it years ago!

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Michael was a bachelor

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and spent his life living in the family home in Oxfordshire.

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When he passed away in 2011, leaving behind a valuable property

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but no will, solicitors were called in to handle his estate

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and they turned to the heir hunters to help make sure

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every relative was traced.

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For boss Daniel Curran, this is not uncommon.

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We get a lot of cases from solicitors,

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because, obviously, it is a specialist field.

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They might have situations they can resolve themselves,

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but for every one of those there is another one where there is

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problems or difficulties in locating the correct beneficiaries.

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They also have to be sure they are finding and proving

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they are finding the right people, as well.

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The solicitors on the Naish case were already in contact

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with relatives on Michael's father's side of the family,

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but there was no trace of any family through his mother's side.

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The paternal family believe that

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Michael's mother was an only child,

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but we need to verify the information, of course,

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before the estate is distributed, so I'm looking into the maternal family.

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When the case was handed to Amy two days ago,

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she had a useful head start.

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We've been provided with Michael's parents' names.

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They were Kate Emma Hobbs and Walter James Naish.

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We were also informed that Michael had an elder brother,

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who actually predeceased him, in 2004.

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This meant that Amy

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and her team had plenty of information to work with.

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They knew that Michael had died without marrying or having children

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and it seemed the same was true of his elder brother, Gerald.

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For all intents and purposes, they were living together,

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the brothers, and the brother died a bachelor, without issue.

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With no partners, children or siblings to inherit,

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all heirs on this estate would come from the wider family and that

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meant looking to Michael's parents, Walter Naish and Kate Hobbs.

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The couple married in 1918 and moved to Oxfordshire, where Walter

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was stationed with the 13th Rifle Brigade,

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which was part of the highly decorated regiment which suffered

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horrific losses during the First World War.

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Fortunately though, Walter survived.

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The solicitors had already established that Michael

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was one of two sons born to Walter James Naish and Kate Emma Hobbs.

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They had made contact with two paternal cousins,

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each of whom would be entitled to a share of Michael's huge estate.

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OK.

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But the estate could not be paid out until all the heirs had been found.

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The team now focused on Michael's mother, Kate,

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to see if she was an only child, as some believed.

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With Kate, because she was born in 1896, the...

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The best thing to do

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and the fastest way to get results was to look at census records,

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so the first thing to do would be to look at the 1901 Census.

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This would give us an initial idea of whether or not she was an only child.

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Censuses are compiled every ten years

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and give a snapshot of Britain's population, by showing

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who is living at every property on one particular day.

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Censuses are usually only made public

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100 years after being compiled,

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but they contain details of people's age, marital status

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and relatives, and for Amy and her team, this would prove invaluable.

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Having a look at the 1901 Census, we found Kate

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and we can see that she is living with her mother Clara, a laundress.

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She's also living with seven siblings, so in 1901 she would

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appear to be one of eight children of Clara and Edgar, her father.

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And certainly not an only child, as previously thought.

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This was crucial for the team, as it meant there was now a good chance

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there would be heirs on the maternal side of the family.

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For every heir they found,

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the team would earn a pre-agreed percentage of the estate, so they

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quickly began tracing descendants of Kate's brothers and sisters.

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I would usually start with one of the male siblings,

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because it is a lot easier to find a death record, but given that

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one of Kate's sisters has a particularly unusual name,

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Virtue Annie Hobbs is her name, I am going to look at Virtue first,

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in the hopes of finding somebody fairly quickly.

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Virtue was Kate's eldest sister and Amy was soon able to establish

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that she was one of five daughters born to Clara and Edgar Hobbs.

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Interestingly, records reveal that three of these sisters

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worked in domestic service

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and Michael's mother Kate was a kitchen maid.

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The kitchen maid's role was probably the most tiring

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role of any of the staff. She'd often be the first person to get up.

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The kitchen would properly have risen between 4.30 and 5.00

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and she would have then gone around the house before the aristocracy

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were up. This was the key,

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so she wasn't seen and would have started to prepare the fires,

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she would stoke up the stoves,

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and she would draw the curtains as well first thing in the morning.

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After that it would be any job that the cook wanted her to do.

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A good kitchen maid was very hard to find, because a lot of them

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just could not stomach it.

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It was whilst in service that Kate met Walter,

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her future husband and Michael's father.

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He was a footman from a neighbouring house.

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The role of the footman was to support the butler

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and it was a trainee butler, basically.

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Often you would have a first footman and a second footman

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and it was much more impressive in these houses if your first

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and second footman matched, so if they looked very similar,

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if they were of the same height,

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footmen generally tended to come in pairs and they would be there

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helping setting the table, serving at table, bringing the food and the

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drink from the kitchen upstairs and then serving tea and coffee and any

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other food and drink throughout the day and answering the door, as well.

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The role of the footman was very much seen, as opposed

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to the kitchen maid, which was not seen, at all.

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One of the roles of the footman was to polish the silver.

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It's quite a tiring job

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because they would have lot of silver to polish in these houses.

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If an employer found a piece of cutlery or a partridge

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that was not in particularly good condition, then words would be had

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with the butler and the butler would make sure that did not happen again.

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Some employers didn't know what they were looking for but most of

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them can tell a shiny piece of silver from a tarnished piece of silver.

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In 1914, Walter was sent off to war, but he

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and Kate married on his return and when the couple's first child

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was born, her time in service would have ended.

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There was no such thing as a working mother-type thing, as we have today.

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Hopefully, the husband Walter would have moved up the ranks

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and he would have been earning enough to support both of them,

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because obviously Kate would not have been taking a wage,

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but her role would have been to look after the children.

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Having established that one of Kate's sisters had the unusual

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name of Virtue, Amy could now begin tracing her descendants, to see

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if it led her to living heirs.

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Virtue Annie married a gentleman named Hedley Rawlings.

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The surname Rawlings is a fairly common surname,

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but given that it is combined with first names Virtue and Hedley,

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I am pretty confident that the records I've found are correct.

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Next, Amy established that Virtue and Hedley went on to have

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five children who would have been Michael's cousins.

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But all five had died,

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meaning Amy would have to go down another generation.

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Marjorie Ethel Rawlings, born in 1910.

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Now, this again is one of the best name combinations of the five

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children, so we have looked through the marriage records again

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and we can see that Marjorie went on to marry a William Strange.

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The birth indexes indicate that Marjorie

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and her husband William had nine children.

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The team have been able to establish that all nine of these

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children are alive and potential heirs to the £750,000 estate.

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It's now over to travelling researcher Stuart to visit

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these heirs and, hopefully, to sign them up.

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-Hi, Amy!

-'Hello.'

-Hi. I've got all the papers.

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Everything's under control.

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But will Stuart's task be as straightforward as he hopes?

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We are very lost, actually. Turn left.

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-SAT-NAV:

-Turn right.

-Turn right here, do you think?

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I don't think that's saying right here.

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Across the UK, there are thousands of homes lying empty,

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and, in many cases, their owners have passed away with no known

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relatives to inherit property.

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With ownerless houses often becoming derelict and overgrown,

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concerned neighbours sometimes turn to the Heir Hunters for help.

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We find a number of people contact us because of these properties

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lying empty and hope we can find the family.

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This is how senior case manager David Pacifico

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heard about an unclaimed estate in Manchester worth around £100,000.

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Peter Hughes was 81 when he died on 12th August, 2011.

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He had lived alone on a quiet street in Salford, Manchester.

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Debbie Freer was his neighbour for over six years.

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I'd describe Peter as a really friendly old gentleman,

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but he kept himself to himself.

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He'd do his garden,

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and when he was in his garden, he'd say hello to people passing.

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His death came as a shock to all his friends and neighbours.

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People do miss him on the street because people have spoken about him this summer.

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I've talked to the next-door neighbour and the lady across

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the road and the lady next door about Peter only in the last couple of months,

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because people are concerned what's happening to Peter's house.

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Peter wouldn't just let it go to rack and ruin.

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Peter's house sat neglected for two years,

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before one of his neighbours contacted the Heir Hunters.

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Highly-experienced case manager David Pacifico immediately began

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work to track down beneficiaries.

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Because of the property involved,

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they believe that the estate has an estimated value of £100,000.

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But until their research could confirm this,

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the team were taking a gamble.

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We couldn't trace records of his actually owning the property.

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If he was renting,

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we were then possibly looking at much lower value case.

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And the team didn't have a lot to go on.

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The information we had - obviously the address,

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the name of the person, but that was about it.

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So they checked to see if he had been married.

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We believe he died a widower, and also checked to see

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if there were any children born of that marriage

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before we traced the further family.

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The team quickly discover that Peter had no children

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and that he was an only child.

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With no wife, children or siblings, the team would have to look

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to the wider family to have any chance of finding heirs.

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Next step is to identify the parents,

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when they were married, when they died, and also when they were born,

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to find siblings of both the father and of course the mother.

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They would, then, be aunts and uncles of the deceased.

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Peter's parents were Peter Hughes and Elizabeth Williamson.

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They married in 1922 in Salford.

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David began by looking into the paternal side.

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Hughes is quite a common name, more common in Wales.

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It's more of a Welsh name.

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So on that basis, we hoped that the father was English,

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so it would be better to research

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and we then identified a number of siblings of the father.

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Peter's father had six brothers and sisters, and the team began

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the tricky task of tracing all the Hughes siblings,

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to see if any of them had gone on

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to have children, who would be Peter's cousins.

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Can we have a quick look for the parents' deaths, as well?

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David now turned his attention

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to Peter's mother Elizabeth's side of the family.

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Peter's mother Elizabeth, or Lizzie, was born to William

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and Margaret Ann Williamson in 1898.

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She was one of five children.

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The eldest of the mother's siblings was Henry Williamson,

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who would have been born in 1895.

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So he would have been 19 at the outbreak of the First World War

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and could have fought in the First World War.

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Records show that Peter's uncle, Henry Williamson,

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did fight in the First World War.

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He was on the front line with the King's Royal Rifle Corps.

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He goes with his battalion to France in July, 1915,

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and he remains there until he's wounded in September, 1917.

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So, he has almost a year and a half

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when he's in and out of the front line.

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He takes part in two major battles, Loos, in the autumn of 1915,

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and he's right at the centre of the Battle of the Somme.

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The Battle of the Somme is characterised by high casualties,

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60,000 killed and wounded on the first day alone.

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These levels continue right through to November.

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So, Henry Williamson, a young man in his early 20s,

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is trying to come to terms with seeing his comrades killed,

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wounded, trying to stay alive,

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defending himself against German counterattacks.

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Frontline fighting clearly took its toll on the young man,

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as he was diagnosed with shell shock.

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Typically, shell shock manifests itself in fatigue,

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exhaustion, joint pains, sometimes chest pain, as well,

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difficulty breathing, nervousness, difficulty sleeping.

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So, the combination means that the front line soldier can't do his job.

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Henry was sent to hospital for treatment.

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Shell shock is treated in a variety of ways.

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Psychologically-minded doctors who've got experience

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of the front line will treat men with respect,

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with appropriate treatment

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and understand what they're going through. Some of the high-ranking

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officers, who haven't necessarily been in the front line,

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will adopt a much more rigorous,

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tough line, and say that to what extent is

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the shell shock actually cowardice or people shirking duty?

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The treatments they're looking towards are much more punishment

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and military discipline,

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so there's a split in the army, as the appropriate way

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to deal with these nerve-damaged troops.

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Treatment is simplified because the army wants to return

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as many men to duty as quickly as possible.

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So it's rest, sleep, encouragement, good food,

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and then graduated physical exercise, to encourage the man

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back to duty, to get him functioning in a physical

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and mental sense as a frontline soldier.

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Henry didn't recover enough to return to the battlefield

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and was discharged from the army before the end of the war.

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In the office, the team discovered that, after the war,

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Peter's uncle Henry returned to Manchester, where he married

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and had six children, all of whom were potential heirs to the estate.

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From the birth records, we identified any children of the name

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Williamson with the mother's maiden name, in this case Roberts.

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However, it is possibly quite a common combination.

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We know they got married in Salford

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and the chances are any children would be born in Salford,

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so we wouldn't look at any children with that combination of surname

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that might have been born, say, in London,

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because there's obviously a number of marriages of Williamson

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that married Roberts.

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So the family we found were all, I believe, born in Salford.

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The couple had six children in total -

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one boy, Henry, and five girls.

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David quickly found one of the daughters, Iris,

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who would've been Peter's cousin.

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She was still alive and still living in Salford.

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I remember Peter, but only because he was older.

0:21:050:21:09

I don't remember him as a child.

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I've not really seen that much of him.

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The only recollection that I have of actually seeing him

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was after my father died

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and he brought a Christmas card round here for my mother.

0:21:220:21:26

I remember, as he walked off the path,

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thinking how much like my dad he was.

0:21:300:21:33

This is my cousin, Peter Hughes,

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and his wife, June.

0:21:370:21:39

As far as I know, they always lived with Auntie Lizzie and Uncle Peter.

0:21:390:21:44

With their first heirs signed up, the team were making good progress.

0:21:460:21:50

But they still had many more beneficiaries to trace,

0:21:500:21:53

and at this stage they still had no idea of the true value

0:21:530:21:57

of the estate.

0:21:570:21:58

In fact, the team would have to wait several months to find out

0:21:580:22:02

if the case really was worth the £100,000 they'd estimated.

0:22:020:22:07

We have to try and find some paperwork that will justify

0:22:070:22:11

that this is actually his home.

0:22:110:22:14

While the Treasury Solicitor publishes a list of new cases every day,

0:22:210:22:26

the Heir Hunters can't always find the vital clues

0:22:260:22:28

that lead them to entitled relatives.

0:22:280:22:31

These cases remain on the government's unclaimed list

0:22:310:22:34

for up to 30 years.

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When the new cases are brought to me,

0:22:350:22:38

we make any enquiries that we can make to find kin.

0:22:380:22:40

Then, if we can't find kin, they're then put onto the website

0:22:400:22:44

so that people can come forward and claim estates they're entitled to.

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Today, we have details of two unclaimed estates

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where heirs are yet to be found.

0:22:510:22:53

Do you have information that could help solve either of these cases?

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The first is Ann Patricia Barnes,

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who died on ninth January in 2009 in Hampstead, London.

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However, she hadn't lived all her life in the capital.

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She was originally from Coventry,

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born there on 25th February, 1942.

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She had been married, but at the time of her death she was a widow.

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Her maiden name was Ladbrook,

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and she also used the name Annie Barnes.

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Despite all this information, there's been no success

0:23:240:23:27

in tracing beneficiaries to her estate.

0:23:270:23:31

The second case s Mary Ann Margaret Wraight.

0:23:310:23:35

She died a widow on 17th September, 1997,

0:23:350:23:38

in Kenton, Middlesex.

0:23:380:23:40

She was of Irish descent

0:23:400:23:42

as she was born in Ireland on 27th August, 1916.

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Her maiden name was Simpson

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and she also used the name Molly Simpson-Wraight.

0:23:490:23:53

Both Ann and Mary's estates remain unclaimed.

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However, there is hope beneficiaries could still be found.

0:23:550:23:59

If someone is aware of an unclaimed estate that they don't believe

0:23:590:24:03

somebody else's already dealing with,

0:24:030:24:05

they can give us a ring

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and we'll talk them through how to refer the case to us.

0:24:070:24:10

Do either of these people ring a bell to you?

0:24:100:24:13

Could you be the relative the Heir Hunters are looking for?

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If so, you could be entitled to thousands of pounds.

0:24:160:24:20

Retired pub landlord Michael Naish died a bachelor in 2011.

0:24:250:24:31

He hadn't made a will, but, having inherited the family home

0:24:310:24:35

in Oxfordshire, his estate was worth in excess of £750,000.

0:24:350:24:39

Having been told there were probably no maternal heirs,

0:24:410:24:44

Amy Louise Moyes and her team have actually traced

0:24:440:24:48

multiple family members

0:24:480:24:49

who should be entitled to a share of the estate.

0:24:490:24:52

I was expecting the deceased's mother to be an only child, as suggested.

0:24:530:24:58

So when it turned out that she was actually one of nine,

0:24:580:25:01

it was surprising to say the least.

0:25:010:25:04

Two days after the team began working on the case in the office,

0:25:040:25:08

it's now up to researcher Stuart to visit

0:25:080:25:10

these potential heirs and hopefully sign them up with the company.

0:25:100:25:13

It's more than likely they've never heard of the person.

0:25:150:25:18

It's quite interesting with families.

0:25:180:25:21

But they're obviously quite hopeful

0:25:210:25:24

there's some money in the pipeline.

0:25:240:25:26

Stuart is one of several researchers that the company

0:25:260:25:29

employ to travel around the country visiting heirs.

0:25:290:25:32

He may be asked to collect certificates from register offices

0:25:320:25:36

and speak to neighbours to try to paint

0:25:360:25:38

the picture of somebody who has passed away,

0:25:380:25:40

and to find any family collections they may know about.

0:25:400:25:44

But whatever the challenge, it's clearly a job he loves.

0:25:440:25:47

I'm a people's person, really.

0:25:490:25:51

I find people extremely interesting, and it is surprising,

0:25:510:25:55

some of the people you come across.

0:25:550:25:57

They're shocked and it's very sad,

0:25:590:26:02

and then suddenly it might not be sad if they didn't like the person...

0:26:020:26:06

It's very interesting.

0:26:060:26:08

Stuart's first port of call today is to Marion.

0:26:080:26:11

Her mother, Marjorie, was Michael's cousin.

0:26:110:26:14

Hello, I'm Stuart. Lovely to see you.

0:26:140:26:18

So she should be due a share of his estate.

0:26:180:26:21

Basically, we're trying to get the estate sorted out.

0:26:210:26:25

Stuart must run through some family details with Marion

0:26:250:26:28

to make sure their research is correct.

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And as Marion is a keen amateur genealogist,

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his job is made a lot easier.

0:26:340:26:36

-This is going back to my dad's side, William.

-Mm, yeah..

0:26:360:26:40

Then his father, George. It goes on to the Rawlings. Henry.

0:26:400:26:45

A few things down here.

0:26:450:26:46

Having established that Marion is definitely an entitled heir,

0:26:460:26:52

Stuart gets down to business and explains that,

0:26:520:26:54

in return for an agreed percentage of her inheritance,

0:26:540:26:58

the company will act on her behalf when she makes her claim.

0:26:580:27:01

Marion is happy with the agreement,

0:27:010:27:03

and the company have their first heir.

0:27:030:27:05

If you could put your birth certificate into the envelope

0:27:050:27:09

-and send it off, that would be great. OK, lovely to meet you.

-Thank you.

0:27:090:27:13

-Safe journey.

-Bye, Ken, bye.

0:27:130:27:16

Thank you, Stuart.

0:27:160:27:18

His next appointment is with Marion's brother, Tony.

0:27:180:27:21

But getting to him may be easier said than done.

0:27:210:27:25

We are very lost, actually.

0:27:250:27:28

-SAT NAV:

-Turn left, then turn right.

0:27:280:27:31

Look at the midges. Turn left.

0:27:310:27:34

-'Turn right.'

-Turn right here, do we?

0:27:340:27:37

I don't think that's saying right here. I think...

0:27:390:27:42

I just feel I'd better go up a bit.

0:27:420:27:47

I might be wrong.

0:27:470:27:49

'Arriving at destination on left.'

0:27:490:27:52

It's garages or something, a white garage.

0:27:520:27:57

But with a £750,000 estate at stake, there's no time to lose.

0:28:030:28:08

Oh, there he is!

0:28:080:28:10

Hello there.

0:28:120:28:15

Stuart runs through the same process as with Marion.

0:28:150:28:19

I'm sorry to say Michael James Naish,

0:28:190:28:23

-a nephew of your grandmother, so it's your first cousin...

-No.

0:28:230:28:27

-You don't know.

-No.

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YAPPING

0:28:290:28:32

Now, this is for you. I need you to sign there.

0:28:320:28:35

And Tony is also happy to sign.

0:28:360:28:39

The news of this inheritance has come as a huge surprise.

0:28:390:28:42

Thank you very much. Goodbye. Goodbye.

0:28:420:28:46

But Tony has already earmarked a good use for any money

0:28:460:28:50

that comes his way.

0:28:500:28:51

I think he was my first cousin,

0:28:530:28:56

but I never met him or anything.

0:28:560:28:59

So this is out of the blue.

0:28:590:29:01

I'm going to be a great-grandfather soon.

0:29:010:29:04

Me granddaughter, well, I always try and help her, as well.

0:29:040:29:10

Yeah, because they're struggling paying their way and all that.

0:29:100:29:14

It's been a very successful day for Stuart,

0:29:160:29:18

and with two heirs signed up,

0:29:180:29:20

the company are well on their way to completing this case.

0:29:200:29:24

A few days later in the office,

0:29:240:29:26

and case manager Amy has now finished her research

0:29:260:29:29

into the estate of Michael Naish.

0:29:290:29:31

She and her team have managed to trace every maternal heir,

0:29:310:29:34

and their search has gone far and wide.

0:29:340:29:37

With a total of eight branches to look at,

0:29:390:29:42

two or three of these branches ended up overseas,

0:29:420:29:45

several in New Zealand and several also in Australia.

0:29:450:29:50

We managed to identify and locate all of those overseas beneficiaries

0:29:500:29:54

and our representatives went on to sign them up for us.

0:29:540:29:59

All in all, we have identified 44 maternal beneficiaries.

0:30:000:30:05

Another maternal heir traced by the team was John.

0:30:070:30:12

His mum Dorothy was a sister of Michael's mum Kate.

0:30:120:30:16

John recalls meeting Michael on various family gatherings.

0:30:160:30:19

I first met Michael in '53, and I would have been about 26.

0:30:210:30:27

There was just my auntie Kit, uncle Walter and the two boys, Gerald,

0:30:270:30:34

who was the oldest, and Michael, the youngest.

0:30:340:30:38

They seemed a very friendly lot and I was delighted to meet them.

0:30:380:30:43

He had fond memories of playing with the brothers.

0:30:430:30:47

I would say that Michael...

0:30:470:30:50

..was the quieter of the two brothers, and...

0:30:520:30:57

..struck me as being the studious kind.

0:31:000:31:04

I can remember Gerald digging up worms, so that I could go fishing.

0:31:060:31:11

It wasn't quite so much Michael.

0:31:110:31:14

He might supervise, but it was Gerald who managed to find a few.

0:31:140:31:21

And I didn't really do justice to them,

0:31:230:31:26

because I fished all day and had to, in the end,

0:31:260:31:31

wriggle the worm off the hook,

0:31:310:31:34

which I wasn't very happy about, at that time.

0:31:340:31:38

Sadly, the cousins lost touch and never saw each other again.

0:31:400:31:45

After we had lost touch, we didn't really exchange any letters

0:31:450:31:51

other than Christmas cards, which, in hindsight...

0:31:510:31:57

..is rather regretful.

0:31:590:32:00

John now wishes things could have been different.

0:32:000:32:04

If we were fortunate enough to have been living closer together,

0:32:040:32:10

I'm sure that we would have got on extremely well

0:32:100:32:14

and would probably have met up more often.

0:32:140:32:17

I only regret that, in his passing, that we hadn't known each other

0:32:190:32:24

a bit closer in these recent years,

0:32:240:32:27

as I'm sure that we could have made a difference to each of our lives.

0:32:270:32:35

That will always be a regret, as far as I'm concerned.

0:32:350:32:39

The heir hunters were investigating the case of Peter Hughes

0:32:440:32:47

after they'd received a call from a member of the public,

0:32:470:32:50

who had become concerned about a house that had been abandoned.

0:32:500:32:54

Friend and neighbour Debbie remembers Peter well.

0:32:540:32:57

For an elderly gentleman, he was rather tall, upright,

0:32:580:33:01

silver haired, well-kept for his age.

0:33:010:33:05

With the estate estimated at £100,000, the team had thrown

0:33:070:33:10

all their resources into cracking this case ahead of any competition.

0:33:100:33:15

So far, they'd found 16 beneficiaries on the paternal side.

0:33:150:33:19

One of Peter's heirs, Iris,

0:33:200:33:22

was able to offer a fascinating insight into her cousin.

0:33:220:33:26

As we were growing up, I heard he was a conscientious objector.

0:33:270:33:32

A conscientious objector normally means someone who has refused to be

0:33:350:33:39

conscripted into the military and some people conscientiously object

0:33:390:33:43

to other things besides that, but in a normal context, it is someone who

0:33:430:33:47

refuses to kill somebody else and be trained to kill somebody else.

0:33:470:33:50

The term "conscientious objector", or CO,

0:33:520:33:55

was initially used during the First World War, when men were

0:33:550:33:59

allowed to appeal against conscription into military service,

0:33:590:34:02

on the grounds of occupation, hardship, faith or moral beliefs.

0:34:020:34:06

This was not an easy path to choose, and many in society judged COs or

0:34:060:34:12

conchies, as they were also known, harshly, branding them as cowards.

0:34:120:34:17

They were forced to face a tribunal, who would decide their fate.

0:34:170:34:20

One possibility was to be given a complete exemption.

0:34:230:34:27

In other words, the tribunal you were up before would say you did

0:34:270:34:31

not have to do anything, you were not given any orders at all,

0:34:310:34:34

you did not have to join the military or do any directed work, at all.

0:34:340:34:37

More commonly, people were given another alternative.

0:34:370:34:41

They were told, you can avoid being in the forces,

0:34:410:34:43

but you do have to do labour, work which is thought to be of national

0:34:430:34:48

importance, or towards the war effort, or is in some way valuable.

0:34:480:34:52

Obviously, that could vary, according to the tribunal.

0:34:520:34:55

Obviously, there was a fourth option, that people were

0:34:550:34:58

turned down altogether and people didn't get any option.

0:34:580:35:01

People told, tough - in you go.

0:35:010:35:03

But the consequences could be far more severe than simply being

0:35:040:35:07

forced to go into battle.

0:35:070:35:09

If they were genuine COs, which most of them who applied were,

0:35:090:35:12

they would then end up being punished for it and they might be locked up.

0:35:120:35:16

In the First World War, some of them were sentenced to death.

0:35:160:35:19

And even when the war was over,

0:35:190:35:21

being a conscientious objector was not forgotten.

0:35:210:35:25

I imagine people who had been COs were probably treated

0:35:250:35:29

after the war in a similar way as during the war.

0:35:290:35:33

Some people would have hated them for it

0:35:330:35:35

and other people would have been very sympathetic.

0:35:350:35:37

Clearly, if you are in a situation post-war where the economic

0:35:370:35:40

situation is such that there aren't enough jobs to go around,

0:35:400:35:43

which is something that happens

0:35:430:35:44

when there are lots of people demobbed and the economic situation

0:35:440:35:47

changes, then you may be at the bottom of the queue to get a job

0:35:470:35:50

sometimes, and, clearly, people are going to be prejudiced against you.

0:35:500:35:54

During the Second World War, Peter told his family

0:35:540:35:58

he planned to be a CO.

0:35:580:36:00

Fortunately, the war ended when he was 15,

0:36:000:36:03

so still too young to be conscripted.

0:36:030:36:05

He went on to carve out a successful career as a joiner,

0:36:050:36:09

and carried on this trade until he died.

0:36:090:36:12

Peter's cousin, Iris, had one sibling still alive,

0:36:120:36:15

who was also a beneficiary of Peter's estate.

0:36:150:36:18

All the other brothers and sisters had died,

0:36:190:36:22

so their estates automatically passed down to their children.

0:36:220:36:25

One of them is Lynne, the daughter of Peter's cousin Henry,

0:36:260:36:30

and granddaughter to Henry Williamson Senior,

0:36:300:36:33

who had suffered from shellshock after fighting on the front line

0:36:330:36:37

during the First World War.

0:36:370:36:38

I'd never heard of Peter Hughes.

0:36:400:36:42

It's fascinating to see where he fit into the rest of the family.

0:36:420:36:47

Lynne was unaware of her father's wider family, as he never

0:36:470:36:50

really mentioned it when he was alive,

0:36:500:36:53

focusing more on his everyday family life.

0:36:530:36:56

My dad kept to himself.

0:36:560:36:58

Like his father, he kept himself a lot to himself,

0:36:580:37:01

but he was one of those people that had to be earning to put

0:37:010:37:04

food on the table, so he did a vast number of jobs.

0:37:040:37:08

In the early days, he worked on the railways.

0:37:080:37:11

That's before I was born, I believe.

0:37:110:37:13

After that, he did markets,

0:37:150:37:17

and he became what they used to call a commercial traveller.

0:37:170:37:21

So he would go to Yorkshire and places like that, selling...

0:37:210:37:25

..from memory, I think it was some sort of clothing.

0:37:270:37:31

The call from the heir hunters has introduced Lynne to a side of her

0:37:320:37:36

family she never knew about.

0:37:360:37:38

I spoke to one of my aunties and went down a totally different

0:37:380:37:41

line, so it's very nice today to find out who Peter Hughes was.

0:37:410:37:46

I'm really stuck between feeling for him, because he is no longer

0:37:460:37:53

here, and wanting to know what he was like and who he was.

0:37:530:37:56

It is a double-edged sword,

0:37:560:37:58

because, one, it's very nice to receive some money,

0:37:580:38:01

but on the other hand, you know that somebody has died

0:38:010:38:04

to do that, and I wish I had known him.

0:38:040:38:07

For David and the team in the office,

0:38:110:38:14

the family research was almost complete.

0:38:140:38:18

-Do you need anyone to give you a hand on that?

-I think we said yes.

0:38:180:38:22

We've chased round about 25 heirs.

0:38:240:38:27

David, was it?

0:38:270:38:28

'But I would imagine there could be another 10 or 15,'

0:38:280:38:32

possibly even more than that.

0:38:320:38:34

In addition to the six heirs they found on the maternal side,

0:38:360:38:39

they'd also cracked the trickier Hughes side of the family,

0:38:390:38:42

and found a further 17 heir - and still counting.

0:38:420:38:46

But having put hours of valuable manpower into solving this case,

0:38:460:38:50

one important question remained.

0:38:500:38:52

Did Peter own his house

0:38:540:38:56

and was the case worth the original estimate of £100,000?

0:38:560:39:00

It's now 11 months since the team first began

0:39:060:39:09

their investigations into this case, and Andrew Fraser, one

0:39:090:39:12

of the partners of the firm, is on his way to Peter's home, to see if

0:39:120:39:16

there are any documents that could confirm who owned the property.

0:39:160:39:20

We have to try to find some paperwork that will justify that this is

0:39:220:39:26

actually his home, and he's not renting a property.

0:39:260:39:30

A house visit like this is an important part

0:39:310:39:33

of administering an estate, a process which can go on for

0:39:330:39:37

months and years after the initial work to trace the heirs is complete.

0:39:370:39:41

Andrew will also have to make a thorough search for any other

0:39:410:39:44

important documents, apart from confirmation of the house ownership.

0:39:440:39:48

Unfortunately, there is also the very high risk that we could find

0:39:500:39:53

information which shows there is a will,

0:39:530:39:56

or that he actually doesn't have any assets that will make up his estate.

0:39:560:40:00

In which case, the 20 or 30 heirs

0:40:000:40:03

and beneficiaries we've hoped would inherit something

0:40:030:40:07

will actually end up with nothing, and our work will be unpaid for.

0:40:070:40:12

So a lot is resting on Andrew's visit.

0:40:120:40:15

It's quite run-down, the house, in general terms.

0:40:180:40:21

It's clearly a gentleman who's been living on his own here for some time.

0:40:220:40:26

So, now our job is to go through every cupboard

0:40:280:40:30

and try to find some deeds to the house,

0:40:300:40:33

or even some indication that he would have owned it, such as insurance.

0:40:330:40:37

From years of experience, Andrew knows just what he's looking for.

0:40:390:40:44

Deeds tend to be in a brown envelope of about A4 size,

0:40:440:40:48

so that's what we're looking for. If I find those,

0:40:480:40:51

I suspect any other important documents will also be with them.

0:40:510:40:56

But despite his diligence,

0:40:560:40:57

the missing documents are stubbornly refusing to reveal themselves.

0:40:570:41:02

Until...

0:41:020:41:03

In the bottom of this wardrobe, I've found a false floor.

0:41:060:41:11

I lifted it up and I found some boxes.

0:41:110:41:13

Could this secret stash of information be just what

0:41:190:41:22

Andrew is looking for?

0:41:220:41:24

This is the title documentation, dated 26 September, 1933.

0:41:270:41:32

These are the documents that prove the house is owned by Mr Hughes.

0:41:330:41:37

This is good news.

0:41:390:41:41

I found here some very important documents,

0:41:410:41:43

and I would expect all important documents to therefore be together.

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And I haven't found any will.

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Andrew also picks up a few pieces of family memorabilia.

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All the family normally ask for photos. That's what they want.

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By having some photos,

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we can at least share them between the family and they get

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to have some insight about where their inheritance is coming from.

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So, for Andrew, it's been a successful visit to Peter's house.

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We've been lucky enough that the house hasn't had too much

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content in it, so we've been able to go through it fairly quickly

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and also have good confidence to know we've been through everything.

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We found a couple of bank accounts, some shares.

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Most importantly, we found the deeds to the house,

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to show that this was the family home and it does belong to Mr Hughes

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himself or his late mother or late father.

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And it's a huge relief to all the team who put hours of research

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into solving this case that potentially could

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have been for little or no return.

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The work of finding the 30-plus beneficiaries, some in the West

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Country, some in Wales, some in the North East, is actually all

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going to come together, and they will inherit something

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and this house is worth a fair amount of money,

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although it will be divided by an awful lot.

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