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It's Friday Night at the Proms, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
and the final concert of the season on BBC Four | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
before the big finale tomorrow. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Tonight, we're going large-scale | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
with the Ninth Symphony by Ludwig van Beethoven, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
followed by a Beethoven-inspired composition | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
by British composer, Mark-Anthony Turnage, called Frieze. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
On stage is a very large collection | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
of the cream of young musicians from the British Isles. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
The National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
and above them the National Youth Choir, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
with the Irish Youth Chamber Choir | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
and Codetta, a young choir from Derry. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
One of the reasons this evening is special | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
is that not one member of the audience has paid to get in. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
For the first time, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:06 | |
5,000 people are here for a full evening Prom entirely for free. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
A happy crowd, then. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
Beethoven's Ninth, the Choral Symphony, written in 1824, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
is one of the iconic achievements of Western music. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
It stands as a monolith. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
For many later composers, the symphony to end all symphonies. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
As with so many of Beethoven's works, it broke new ground. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
For the first time in a symphony, it employs a chorus | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
in the final movement to outstanding effect in the famous Ode to Joy. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
And as with all great works of art, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
you could be led on a philosophical journey | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
while simply enjoying some of the marvellous tunes, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
including one of the most famous ever written. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Because they're so young, most of the players and singers | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
will be performing Beethoven's Ninth for the first time. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
When you look at the assembled young musicians here, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
it's worth remembering that they spent huge amount of time | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
on their music training. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
They're also willing to give up large amounts of their holidays | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
through the year to playing or singing. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Before we hear the symphony, we've got time to find out | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
what it is that makes these young musicians tick | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
and how their musical life inspires them. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
So, here's the National Youth Choir of Great Britain | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
on their summer residential course in York. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
CHORAL SINGING | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
If you hear a choir in full tilt singing some beautiful harmony, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
you can see it in their faces and you can hear it in the voices, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
the joy that they share with it. I think that's something very special. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
I think people are often astonished and amazed | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
at what the National Youth Choir can do. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
The "youth" moniker sometimes comes off as a bit of a, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
"It'll be good, but it's still young people." | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
In fact, this one of the finest choirs in the world - full stop. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Before this, I only really used to sing in my school choir. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
I remember my dad saying at our first concert it was really weird | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
because it was like going from Third Division to the Premier League in one step. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
THEY WARM UP | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
I have a cousin who's a professional singer | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
and has been for nearly 50 years. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
And she gave me a few lessons. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
I auditioned. And I never thought for a minute I'd get in. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
And neither did my parents | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
as I remember my dad opening the letter and being absolutely stunned. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
Your internal obliques which come across that way | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
and the external obliques come across that way. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
I think it's scientifically proved that singing is good for you. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
It's that wonderful synthesis of being able to communicate | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
and actually make noises together. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
-HE SINGS LOW BASS NOTE -Lovely! | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Personally, I've sung by myself since I was four, five maybe. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
But since I've joined NYC, I just can't, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
like, describe the buzz I get. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
It's this kind of amazing community thing. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
It's almost like soldiers going into battle sometimes. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
THEY WARM UP | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
You feel kind of strong, like a big army of singers. It's amazing. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Get every single word out. It's not volume, it's just articulation. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
It's been fascinating for me, watching the course unfold | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
and the various traditions that the National Youth Choir has, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
with their social activities and the way also they coalesce as a choir. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
When you first arrive, it can almost be really unnerving because all | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
these things are happening and you don't want any of them means. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
After you've been here a year or so, everything makes sense. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
You know what's going on. It's just great fun. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
This choir has gone on tours to some remarkable and unexpected places. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
I do remember landing with them in Rarotonga in the Cook Islands | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
in the late '90s when we probably increased | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
the population of the island by about 1% when we were there. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
But it's wonderful to finally get a chance to bring all this music | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
to the places where all our singers from, every corner of Great Britain. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
SLOW CHORAL SINGING TO BEAT | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
At our age, all of our voices have the same youthfulness | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
and freshness, whereas usually much more mature choirs | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
would be doing things like the Beethoven. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
Once again, and... | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
THEY SPEAK LYRICS IN RHYTHM | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
I mean, obviously these pieces are just epic | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
and they've been sung for hundreds of years, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
and having the opportunity to sing such pieces is a massive privilege. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
THEY CHEER | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
In ten years' time, we'll see kids who are just starting out now | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
singing in the main choir. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
And this is a lifelong experience for them. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
SHE SINGS | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
In its 30 years, the National Youth Choir | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
has done something really special, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
which is bringing music to the younger people in society. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
So often, people your age don't get into it, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
but having a group like the National Youth Choir | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
is something where there's, like, a touchstone | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
that you can hold on to and grow from. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
# Sing joy for the... # | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
In a strange way, you subsume the individual identity | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
and then are exalted again as an individual | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
by being part of this larger thing. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
And I've always felt, and perhaps is a bit highfalutin, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
but that's the best model for a society. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
# Sing... # | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
A good society is one in which individuals are aware | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
and proud of themselves, but also very aware of the good of the group | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
and the need to do things together as humans. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
And all the best human accomplishments are always done by groups and not by individuals. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
The National Youth Choir. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Inspirational stuff. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, the Choral, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
picks up on themes that are present in previous works by the composer. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
The struggle from darkness to light, the Promethean myth, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
a search for personal peace | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
and the aspiration for us to live in unity and love. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
It's a 75-minute work in four movements. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
The first movement can be seen in narrative terms | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
as nothing less than the emergence of light at the dawn of time | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
leading to the creation of life. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
After a savage scherzo and a third movement of infinite grace, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
we are led to an outburst of song | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
that confirms what Beethoven profoundly believed in - | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
the possibility of the unity of mankind - | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
in his setting of Schiller's Ode to Joy. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
Alongside the famous statue of Sir Henry Wood on stage today | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
to enjoy the music-making is a bust of Beethoven. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
It's been placed here by the Royal Philharmonic Society | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
which has the proud record of having commissioned the Ninth Symphony. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
And in charge today | 0:07:34 | 0:07:35 | |
will be the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain's | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
principal conductor, Vasily Petrenko. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
Joining the orchestra and the choirs for the final movement | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
will be a wonderful line-up of soloists - Ailish Tynan, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Jennifer Johnston, Toby Spence and Gerald Finley. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
Here now comes conductor Vasily Petrenko | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
to join the National Youth Choir of Great Britain, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
the Irish Youth Choir, Codetta | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
and the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
for Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
SILENCE | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
SILENCE | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
HE SINGS IN GERMAN: | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
CHORUS ECHO SOLOIST | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
# Deine Zauber binden wieder | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
# Was die Mode streng geteilt | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
# Alle Menschen werden Brueder | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
# Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
# Ja - wer auch nur eine Seele | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
# Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund! | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
# Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
# Weinend sich aus diesem Bund! | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
# Kuesse gab sie uns und Reben | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
# Einen Freund, geprueft im Tod | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
# Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
# Und der Cherub steht vor Gott | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
# Und der Cherub steht vor Gott | 0:56:58 | 0:57:05 | |
# Steht vor Gott | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
# Vor Gott | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
# Vor Gott | 0:57:11 | 0:57:18 | |
# Laufet, Brueder, eure Bahn | 0:58:29 | 0:58:33 | |
# Freudig wie ein Held zum Siegen | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
# Ein Held zum Siegen | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
# Freudig, Freudig, Freudig Wie ein Held zum Siegen | 0:58:41 | 0:58:48 | |
# Freude, schoener Goetterfunken | 1:00:22 | 1:00:25 | |
# Tochter aus Elysium | 1:00:25 | 1:00:28 | |
# Wir betreten feuertrunken | 1:00:28 | 1:00:31 | |
# Himmlische dein Heiligtum | 1:00:31 | 1:00:34 | |
# Deine Zauber binden wieder | 1:00:34 | 1:00:38 | |
# Was die Mode streng geteilt | 1:00:38 | 1:00:41 | |
# Alle Menschen werden Brueder | 1:00:41 | 1:00:45 | |
# Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt | 1:00:45 | 1:00:48 | |
# Deine Zauber binden wieder | 1:00:48 | 1:00:51 | |
# Was die Mode streng geteilt | 1:00:51 | 1:00:54 | |
# Alle Menschen werden Brueder | 1:00:54 | 1:00:58 | |
# Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt | 1:00:58 | 1:01:01 | |
# Seid umschlungen, Millionen! | 1:01:29 | 1:01:40 | |
# Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt! | 1:01:40 | 1:01:52 | |
# Brueder - ueberm Sternenzelt | 1:02:14 | 1:02:25 | |
# Muss ein lieber Vater wohnen | 1:02:25 | 1:02:36 | |
# Ueber Sternen muss er wohnen | 1:03:57 | 1:04:15 | |
# Freude, schoener Goetterfunken | 1:04:15 | 1:04:18 | |
# Tochter aus Elysium | 1:04:18 | 1:04:20 | |
# Wir betreten feuertrunken | 1:04:20 | 1:04:21 | |
# Himmlische dein Heiligtum | 1:04:21 | 1:04:23 | |
# Freude, schoener Goetterfunken | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
# Tochter aus Elysium | 1:04:26 | 1:04:28 | |
# Wir betreten feuertrunken | 1:04:28 | 1:04:29 | |
# Himmlische dein Heiligtum | 1:04:29 | 1:04:31 | |
# Seid umschlungen, Millionen! | 1:04:31 | 1:04:34 | |
# Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt! | 1:04:34 | 1:04:39 | |
# Freude, schoener Goetterfunken | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
# Tochter aus Elysium | 1:04:41 | 1:04:43 | |
# Wir betreten feuertrunken | 1:04:43 | 1:04:45 | |
# Himmlische dein Heiligtum... # | 1:04:45 | 1:04:47 | |
THEY HARMONISE PREVIOUS PASSAGES | 1:04:47 | 1:04:52 | |
# Goetterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium | 1:06:22 | 1:06:27 | |
# Deine Zauber binden wieder Was die Mode streng geteilt! | 1:06:41 | 1:06:50 | |
# Dein sanfter Fluegel weilt | 1:07:18 | 1:07:24 | |
# Alle Menschen, Alle Menschen Alle Menschen | 1:07:26 | 1:07:30 | |
# Alle Menschen | 1:07:30 | 1:07:36 | |
# Werden Brueder | 1:07:36 | 1:07:41 | |
# Wo dein sanfter | 1:07:41 | 1:08:00 | |
# Fluegel weilt | 1:08:00 | 1:08:05 | |
# Dein sanfter | 1:08:05 | 1:08:18 | |
# Fluegel weilt | 1:08:18 | 1:08:30 | |
# Seid umschlungen, Millionen! Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt! | 1:08:43 | 1:08:50 | |
# Brueder - ueberm Sternenzelt Muss ein lieber Vater wohnen | 1:08:50 | 1:08:59 | |
# Seid umschlungen, seid umschlungen! | 1:08:59 | 1:09:02 | |
# Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt! Der ganzen Welt! | 1:09:02 | 1:09:06 | |
# Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt! Der ganzen Welt! | 1:09:06 | 1:09:13 | |
# Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt! | 1:09:13 | 1:09:22 | |
# Freude, Freude, schoener Goetterfunken | 1:09:22 | 1:09:27 | |
# Tochter aus Elysium | 1:09:27 | 1:09:37 | |
# Freude, schoener Goetterfunken | 1:09:40 | 1:09:51 | |
# Goetterfunken! # | 1:09:51 | 1:09:55 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 1:10:08 | 1:10:12 | |
Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, the Choral. | 1:10:34 | 1:10:36 | |
The performance by the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain, | 1:10:36 | 1:10:39 | |
the National Youth Choir of Great Britain, | 1:10:39 | 1:10:42 | |
the Irish Youth Choir, Codetta and the soloists - | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
Ailish Tynan, soprano, Jennifer Johnston, mezzo-soprano, | 1:10:45 | 1:10:48 | |
Toby Spence, tenor, and Gerald Finley, bass. | 1:10:48 | 1:10:52 | |
And they were conducted by the orchestra's principal conductor, Vasily Petrenko. | 1:10:52 | 1:10:56 | |
And what an overwhelming outpouring of youthful skill and enthusiasm | 1:10:56 | 1:10:59 | |
in the Ode to Joy, | 1:10:59 | 1:11:02 | |
with words by Schiller that reflects so much determination | 1:11:02 | 1:11:06 | |
in the hope for a better future. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:09 | |
So many things to relish from that exhilarating opening movement, | 1:11:18 | 1:11:21 | |
that breathtaking scherzo | 1:11:21 | 1:11:24 | |
to the last movement when the bass, Gerald Finley tonight, | 1:11:24 | 1:11:27 | |
stands and begs - perhaps demands - | 1:11:27 | 1:11:29 | |
that we focus on our common humanity. | 1:11:29 | 1:11:32 | |
Absolutely electrifying. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
In the whole of its 63-year history, this is the first time | 1:11:40 | 1:11:43 | |
the National Youth Orchestra has played Beethoven's Ninth. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:46 | |
And what a confident celebration of unity they displayed. Fabulous. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:52 | |
The leader, Roberto Ruisi, is aged 17 from Birmingham. | 1:11:53 | 1:11:56 | |
He's been leading the orchestra since he was 15. | 1:11:56 | 1:12:00 | |
Roberto has talked about the thrill | 1:12:00 | 1:12:02 | |
to play with an orchestra that generates so much energy. | 1:12:02 | 1:12:05 | |
Coming on stage now to take their bows | 1:12:14 | 1:12:16 | |
are the respective choir leaders. | 1:12:16 | 1:12:18 | |
Ben Parry and Robert Isaacs, Greg Beardsell and Donal Doherty. | 1:12:18 | 1:12:22 | |
They've all done wonderful work coaching these young singers to the peak of excellence. | 1:12:22 | 1:12:26 | |
Follow that? Well, follow we shall with another work | 1:13:12 | 1:13:16 | |
from the same concert by the English composer Mark-Anthony Turnage. | 1:13:16 | 1:13:20 | |
This is a brand-new commission from the BBC, | 1:13:20 | 1:13:23 | |
the New York Philharmonic Orchestra and the Royal Philharmonic Society. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:26 | |
As I mentioned earlier, the Royal Philharmonic Society was the organisation | 1:13:26 | 1:13:30 | |
that originally commissioned Beethoven to write his Ninth Symphony. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:33 | |
And this is the 200th anniversary year of the society's foundation. | 1:13:33 | 1:13:37 | |
So, to celebrate that fact and in a concert that features Beethoven's work, | 1:13:37 | 1:13:41 | |
we have this new piece by Turnage. It's called Frieze. | 1:13:41 | 1:13:46 | |
That's "frieze" as in a wall painting, rather than to make very cold. | 1:13:46 | 1:13:49 | |
The frieze in question is a famous painting | 1:13:49 | 1:13:51 | |
by the Austrian painter, Gustav Klimt, | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
which can be seen at the Secession Building in Vienna. | 1:13:54 | 1:13:57 | |
It reflects the themes of the Ninth Symphony, | 1:13:57 | 1:13:59 | |
in the heroic search for human happiness | 1:13:59 | 1:14:01 | |
and the consolation of exhilarating possibilities and great art. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:06 | |
It must be particularly daunting for any composer | 1:14:06 | 1:14:08 | |
to have the weight of the past placed so heavily on their shoulders. | 1:14:08 | 1:14:12 | |
But Mark-Anthony Turnage seems somehow to have coped. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:15 | |
I met him before the concert today and asked him first | 1:14:15 | 1:14:17 | |
whether he had written a symphony or not | 1:14:17 | 1:14:20 | |
with Beethoven looking so alarmingly over his shoulder. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:23 | |
This is a tricky one because I never thought... | 1:14:23 | 1:14:26 | |
Of course, I haven't called it a symphony, but I've always been | 1:14:26 | 1:14:29 | |
intimidated by the idea of calling something a symphony. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:32 | |
There are people who write symphonies. | 1:14:32 | 1:14:34 | |
My teacher, Oliver Knussen, | 1:14:34 | 1:14:35 | |
for instance, is a great composer who has written three. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
But it was just a personal thing | 1:14:38 | 1:14:41 | |
where I always gave it a title rather than an abstract title. | 1:14:41 | 1:14:45 | |
I've steered away from it, | 1:14:45 | 1:14:46 | |
although this is as close as I've got to symphonic form. | 1:14:46 | 1:14:49 | |
And "symphonic" in the sense of the four movements. | 1:14:49 | 1:14:54 | |
Opening, scherzo, slow movement. Is that right? | 1:14:54 | 1:14:56 | |
I have. I've chickened out, really. I should've called it "symphony"! | 1:14:56 | 1:15:02 | |
It's the weight of history and the idea you call something "symphony". | 1:15:02 | 1:15:06 | |
In a sense, there's a lightness to the piece. | 1:15:06 | 1:15:09 | |
This is much more sort of a light thing, so, I don't think I could've called it a symphony. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:13 | |
I still think that I'm intimidated by the idea of the form. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:17 | |
You came to Beethoven early. I mean, he's always been around in your life. | 1:15:17 | 1:15:21 | |
-Yeah. -I know from my personal experience that I always found him | 1:15:21 | 1:15:25 | |
quite...dull...when I was young. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:27 | |
And then, suddenly, I had this moment about ten years ago | 1:15:27 | 1:15:30 | |
-when I thought, "Actually, this is amazing stuff!" -It was my mother. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:32 | |
My mother was obsessed with Beethoven for some reason. | 1:15:32 | 1:15:35 | |
And she instilled this in me. And it's funny. | 1:15:35 | 1:15:38 | |
She just led me to everything. | 1:15:38 | 1:15:40 | |
And I was, I don't know, it just influenced me hugely. | 1:15:40 | 1:15:43 | |
I remember going to the Proms when I was quite young, eight or nine. | 1:15:43 | 1:15:47 | |
And going very often. They used to have a lot of all Beethoven problems. | 1:15:47 | 1:15:51 | |
And I remember sometimes there would be some contemporary piece | 1:15:51 | 1:15:55 | |
by Tippett or somebody, but Beethoven was the thing I was going for. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:58 | |
And so I got it into my bloodstream very early on. | 1:15:58 | 1:16:01 | |
You can't help but listen to those pieces, | 1:16:01 | 1:16:03 | |
however abstract they might be, without constructing a narrative. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:07 | |
-That seems to me to be the case. -That's very interesting, | 1:16:07 | 1:16:09 | |
you saying that, Simon, because I think composers don't do that. | 1:16:09 | 1:16:13 | |
Because, in a way, what I'm doing all the time is looking at the technical things. | 1:16:13 | 1:16:18 | |
I'm always fascinated by other people, | 1:16:18 | 1:16:20 | |
when they say, "This reminds me of something." | 1:16:20 | 1:16:22 | |
I'm always fascinated to see somebody who doesn't compose | 1:16:22 | 1:16:25 | |
or isn't a musician necessarily... I know you're a musician as well. | 1:16:25 | 1:16:28 | |
But I always think of it | 1:16:28 | 1:16:29 | |
of the way the notes work and how good the notes are. | 1:16:29 | 1:16:32 | |
The reason why, for me, Beethoven and Bach particularly | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
are the greatest composers | 1:16:35 | 1:16:36 | |
is because, I think, their notes are perfect. | 1:16:36 | 1:16:39 | |
Not just the form, but the choice of...the material. | 1:16:39 | 1:16:44 | |
Like we have in Shakespeare, the way the language is and is compiled. | 1:16:44 | 1:16:48 | |
-There can only be that word in that place. -Yeah, so, in a way | 1:16:48 | 1:16:51 | |
I've got to forget that to some extent, but I never think of images. | 1:16:51 | 1:16:55 | |
I never think, "Oh, the opening of Beethoven Nine is..." | 1:16:55 | 1:16:58 | |
Nothing comes to mind other than the actual physical thing of the notes | 1:16:58 | 1:17:04 | |
and what they mean to me. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:05 | |
It's really the nuts and bolts of the technical material | 1:17:05 | 1:17:08 | |
which in a way, can be a disadvantage in some ways, | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
because it would be like watching a film | 1:17:11 | 1:17:14 | |
and thinking about the camera shots. | 1:17:14 | 1:17:16 | |
Do you know what I mean? Or the editing. | 1:17:16 | 1:17:19 | |
In some ways... I do lose that to some extent, | 1:17:19 | 1:17:22 | |
but I'm still aware of how marvellous this transition is, | 1:17:22 | 1:17:26 | |
for instance, from the first subject to the second subject. | 1:17:26 | 1:17:30 | |
All these technical things... | 1:17:30 | 1:17:32 | |
I suppose, that's the same for any practical artist, isn't it? | 1:17:32 | 1:17:35 | |
They must look at their own form being done by other people | 1:17:35 | 1:17:38 | |
-and perhaps still be going... -I know. I know. | 1:17:38 | 1:17:42 | |
You should really lose yourself, though. | 1:17:42 | 1:17:44 | |
I've only heard the first movement, | 1:17:44 | 1:17:47 | |
so I'm looking forward to hearing the other three tonight. | 1:17:47 | 1:17:51 | |
And the first movement seems to be a direct... | 1:17:51 | 1:17:53 | |
It was in the rehearsal I heard it and I heard it immediately after Beethoven's Ninth, | 1:17:53 | 1:17:57 | |
so it seemed to me to be a direct nod | 1:17:57 | 1:18:00 | |
-in Beethoven's direction. Is that...? -Yes, it's deliberate. | 1:18:00 | 1:18:04 | |
The opening is a perfect fifth at the beginning which is the same. | 1:18:04 | 1:18:07 | |
It goes in a different direction, | 1:18:07 | 1:18:09 | |
but there were little references in each movement. | 1:18:09 | 1:18:12 | |
In the first movement, there's a reference to the open fifths | 1:18:12 | 1:18:16 | |
and in the second movement, which is the scherzo, | 1:18:16 | 1:18:19 | |
there's these little gaps or these general pauses | 1:18:19 | 1:18:22 | |
which are a bit like the scherzo. | 1:18:22 | 1:18:24 | |
Although in the Beethoven, it's much more dramatic and more violent. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:27 | |
In my piece, it's quite jazzy and sort of like a big band. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:31 | |
In the third, slow movement, | 1:18:31 | 1:18:33 | |
there's an inversion of a tune from the Beethoven slow movement. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
There's a wonderful tune I inverted. It works very well in inversion... | 1:18:37 | 1:18:40 | |
And then in the last movement there's no reference. | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
It actually references Beethoven's Seven, which is probably | 1:18:44 | 1:18:48 | |
my favourite Beethoven symphony. | 1:18:48 | 1:18:50 | |
The last movement which is his manic finale. | 1:18:50 | 1:18:53 | |
That's more what it references. | 1:18:53 | 1:18:55 | |
-Endless dancing... -Exactly. Endless dancing. | 1:18:55 | 1:18:59 | |
Do you even construct a sort of from darkness to light | 1:18:59 | 1:19:02 | |
or from chaos to order or from joy to... | 1:19:02 | 1:19:05 | |
Yeah, I would do, but it's very vague. | 1:19:05 | 1:19:07 | |
I mean, it would never be anything that was anything that specific. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:11 | |
I think that I build it up gradually. | 1:19:11 | 1:19:13 | |
In the structure, although I'm sort of aware of some place I'm going to, | 1:19:13 | 1:19:17 | |
I'm quite willing to change it all, | 1:19:17 | 1:19:18 | |
I'm quite willing to replace notes | 1:19:18 | 1:19:21 | |
or change the structure. | 1:19:21 | 1:19:23 | |
I mean, even in this piece, even the rehearsal today. | 1:19:23 | 1:19:27 | |
In the second movement, I've added sort of 15 bars at the end | 1:19:27 | 1:19:30 | |
with references back to the beginning of the movement | 1:19:30 | 1:19:33 | |
because the end didn't work for me | 1:19:33 | 1:19:35 | |
of the second movement. So, I'm always thinking, "This doesn't work." | 1:19:35 | 1:19:40 | |
So, it's always a process of change all the time. | 1:19:40 | 1:19:43 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:19:43 | 1:19:47 | |
So, here is Vasily Petrenko coming on to conduct this new commission | 1:19:47 | 1:19:51 | |
with the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain. | 1:19:51 | 1:19:53 | |
Mark-Anthony Turnage's Frieze. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:56 | |
SILENCE | 1:26:40 | 1:26:43 | |
SILENCE | 1:30:24 | 1:30:27 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:41:47 | 1:41:51 | |
Vasily Petrenko conducting the world premiere | 1:41:52 | 1:41:55 | |
of Mark-Anthony Turnage's Frieze | 1:41:55 | 1:41:57 | |
with The National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain, leader Roberto Ruisi. | 1:41:57 | 1:42:01 | |
A new commission to celebrate | 1:42:01 | 1:42:03 | |
the founding of the Royal Philharmonic Society 200 years ago. | 1:42:03 | 1:42:06 | |
The work will also be played by the New York Philharmonic Orchestra | 1:42:06 | 1:42:09 | |
in October, and I've no doubt will see plenty of life thereafter, | 1:42:09 | 1:42:13 | |
possibly paired with the Ninth Symphony. | 1:42:13 | 1:42:15 | |
CHEERING | 1:42:29 | 1:42:32 | |
And here is Mark-Anthony Turnage, self-effacing as ever. | 1:43:00 | 1:43:03 | |
He must be thrilled with that performance by these young players. | 1:43:03 | 1:43:07 | |
He's one of the country's most successful composers, | 1:43:07 | 1:43:09 | |
having written operas, orchestral works and chamber music, | 1:43:09 | 1:43:12 | |
that are now played regularly all over the world. | 1:43:12 | 1:43:15 | |
He's looking absolutely delighted. | 1:43:18 | 1:43:21 | |
Well, that's the end of this evening's concert | 1:43:22 | 1:43:25 | |
from the Royal Albert Hall. | 1:43:25 | 1:43:28 | |
Tomorrow night on BBC One, BBC Two, Radio 3, on your Red Button | 1:43:28 | 1:43:31 | |
and online, you can enjoy the party at the end of this Proms season. | 1:43:31 | 1:43:35 | |
The Last Night with the conductor Marin Alsop starts at 7.30pm | 1:43:35 | 1:43:38 | |
and promises to be wonderful | 1:43:38 | 1:43:41 | |
with solo performances by violinist Nigel Kennedy | 1:43:41 | 1:43:44 | |
and soprano Joyce DiDonato. | 1:43:44 | 1:43:45 | |
Join Katie Derham on BBC Two to take part in the celebrations. | 1:43:45 | 1:43:48 | |
From me, Simon Russell Beale, good night. | 1:43:48 | 1:43:51 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 1:43:54 | 1:43:55 |