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Frank Hennessy

Bydd y canwr gwerin 'Cardiff born, Cardiff bred,' Frank Hennessy, yn rhannu straeon ac yn canu gyda Rhys Meirion. Rhys Meirion is joined by Cardiff-born folk singer Frank Hennessy.


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-In this series

-of Deuawdau Rhys Meirion...

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-..I get the privilege of joining

-Wales's best musical talents.

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-We'll sing in vibrant

-and unusual locations...

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-This is going to be awesome!

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-But I'll also get to know

-the person behind the voice...

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-..by creating and performing

-brand-new duets...

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-..where I pick a duet

-to sing with them...

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-..and they pick one

-to sing with me.

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-Why did I pick this one?

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-Welcome to Deuawdau Rhys Meirion.

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-I'm meeting this week's artist

-at the BBC in Llandaff...

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-..because he works here.

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-He also has links with Ireland

-and has sung there many times.

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-He also likes singing

-about an old oak tree in Carmarthen.

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-That's just about it

-for another week.

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-Thanks for your company.

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-I'll be back next Sunday

-at seven o'clock.

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-Goodnight.

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-How are you?

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-My guest this week is broadcaster

-and folk singer Frank Hennessy.

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-Thank you for accepting

-the invitation to sing with me.

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-No problem, hopefully!

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-I'm a little bit worried.

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-Why? What about?

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-Because our voices are so different.

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-Will it work?

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-I think it will.

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-We'll see. That's the challenge!

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-I'm looking forward

-to the opportunity.

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-Thank you. So am I.

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-Frank Hennessy

-is a familiar voice...

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-..and founder of the iconic

-Cardiff folk group The Hennessys.

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-That was back in the 1960s,

-which sounds a long time ago.

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-Everyone has a reason

-for liking Frank and The Hennessys.

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-A combination of humour, fine

-singing and sounding good together.

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-It's always a pleasure to see them.

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-I'm just their ardent fan.

-I love them. They're my favourites.

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-In my opinion,

-they changed Welsh music.

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-Welsh folk music.

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-They had a sound

-we'd never heard before.

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-The original band formed in 1967.

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-Frank Hennessy, Dave Burns and

-the late Paul Powell in the middle.

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-Frank is a Welshman of Irish

-heritage who has learnt Welsh.

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-I wanted to learn more

-about how an Irish folk group...

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-..became a part

-of Welsh folk music tradition.

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-We originally met

-on the corner of Bute Street...

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-Steady on now!

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-..in a club, the Central Boys Club.

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-We were introduced

-by a mutual friend...

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-..and hit it off straight away.

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-Before long, the group was formed.

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-When The Hennessys started,

-back in the 1960s...

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-..we were the Cardiff Irish band.

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-That was our nickname.

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-The Cardiff Irish band.

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-Dave and I were from Irish stock.

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-Dave said to me, "Hey, we'd better

-learn some Welsh songs."

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-We didn't know anything, really.

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-We were from Cardiff,

-for goodness' sake.

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-Dave and I had been in a pub

-on St Mary's Street...

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-..about two o'clock in the morning.

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-Amongst all this noise,

-this fellow got up...

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-..and started to sing Ar Lan Y Mor.

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-Oh, right, yes.

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-The entire place went quiet.

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-It was lovely.

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-Dave said to me,

-"We have to get these words."

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-# On the seashore

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-# There are red roses #

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-The man who helped get the words,

-the chords and a translation...

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-..was none other

-than Meredydd Evans.

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-A remarkable folk singer himself...

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-..he was also BBC Wales's

-head of light entertainment.

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-After The Hennessys learnt the song

-and appeared on BBC Wales...

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-..they got their big break.

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-Mered got us a series

-on the national network...

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-..called The Singing Barn.

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-All over Britain, Friday night...

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-..and he gave us a prime slot on it.

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-Going courting in the kitchen,

-The Hennessys.

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-# Come single belle and beau,

-unto me pay attention

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-# Don't ever fall in love,

-it's the Devil's own invention

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-# For once I fell in love

-with a maiden so bewitchin'

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-# Miss Henrietta Bell

-out of Captain Kelly's kitchen #

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-With folk singing in his blood,

-something told me...

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-..that Frank's choice of duet

-would take me to that field.

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-Have you picked a song?

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-Yes.

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-My favourite song at the moment

-is Os Daw 'Nghariad.

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-Os Daw 'Nghariad

-is a folk song full of longing.

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-This version is by Tudur Huws Jones.

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-# If my love comes here tonight #

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-There's a bit of everything

-in the same song.

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-Sadness.

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-Romance.

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-Betrayal.

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-We've got a job!

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-You don't know

-what you've let yourself in for!

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-A top tenor and a Cardiff bloke!

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-I don't know about a top tenor...

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-..but folk is the hardest genre

-for a classical singer like me.

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-I'm a bit nervous now.

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-I'm about to go into Ty Cerdd

-to rehearse with Frank.

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-I haven't had a copy

-of the sheet music at all.

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-Frank and I are starting

-on a level playing field.

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-I'm looking forward to it.

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-If I was nervous,

-how was Frank feeling?

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-It's an important adventure for me.

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-A new partnership...

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-..with a man

-who has a wonderful voice.

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-But I hope he'll be happy.

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-Frank and I were singing

-an arrangement by Caradog Williams.

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-He had clearly-defined ideas

-about Os Daw 'Nghariad.

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-It's a very simple arrangement.

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-A piano accompaniment

-and an improvised viola intro.

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-Fine.

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-The feeling I wanted...

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-..the general tone...

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-..was of a bar late at night...

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-..almost a jazz club kind of vibe...

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-..but it's not a jazz arrangement.

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-Just the idea of wistful...

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-Just the idea of wistful...

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-Intimate.

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-Quiet, intimate, that idea.

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-As we began, I wondered

-how a classical tenor voice...

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-..and a folk singer's voice

-would blend.

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-# Give him a civil answer

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-# A civil answer

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-# Do not speak #

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-It's on the other side,

-to save paper!

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-This is where it gets complicated.

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-Harmonies!

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-# Tell him

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-# No hard feelings

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-# No hard feelings

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-# Leaving him

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-# In this way #

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-Having started, I wanted to know

-more about Frank's Irish heritage.

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-There was only one way to go.

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-Ireland.

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-The other band members, Dave Burns

-and Iolo Jones, joined us.

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-Violinist Iolo

-has been a member for 30 years...

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-..while Dave was there

-from the start, in 1967.

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-Dave and Iolo...

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-..while Frank has gone

-to the shop to get some lemonade...

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-..we'll have a quick chat.

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-Talking about him behind his back?

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-Talking about him behind his back?

-

-He's quite a character, isn't he?

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-Frank is one of the funniest people

-I've ever met.

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-Dave and I

-are often in stitches on stage.

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-The remarkable thing

-about Frank is this.

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-You'd never think

-that Cardiff humour...

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-..could be exported so successfully.

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-I've seen him with an audience

-in Boston, say...

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-..or in New Orleans...

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-..singing songs like Billy The Seal

-and telling jokes about Cardiff...

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-..and he gets them laughing.

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-He's just got that gift.

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-I've been with him now

-coming up to 50 years.

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-Fifty years next year, isn't it?

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-In the late 1960s,

-folk music was very big in Ireland.

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-In different shapes and forms,

-but it was very popular.

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-To compete with the Irish groups...

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-..you had to learn the songs

-as they came out.

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-I always remember,

-when we went to Ireland...

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-..we had a repertoire

-of about fifty songs.

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-By the time we came back...

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-..probably just under a year later,

-we had 300 to 400 songs.

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-One song inexorably linked

-with The Hennessys...

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-..is Yr Hen Dderwen Ddu.

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-# I spied a pretty maiden

-with the sunlight in her hair #

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-The English version

-has been covered by many artists...

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-..and Daniel O'Donnell took it

-to No.1 in the Irish charts.

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-It's sung in English

-as The Old Dungarvan Oak...

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-..and we were off to Dungarvan.

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-But en route, what could be better

-than a sing-song and a Guinness?

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-Is it me next?

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-Me?

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-Me?

-

-Yes.

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-Give it a go.

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-# As we approached Dungarvan

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-# The girl at me did stare

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-# She asked me

-why I raised my hat

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-# To a tree so old and bare

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-# I told her of the legend

-if the tree should e'er come down #

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-In the late 60s, the lads

-went to Ireland in an A35 van.

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-As the Hennessys

-found their musical feet...

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-..the village of Ardmore

-played a key role.

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-It was in Ardmore

-that the group started properly.

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-We won a folk music cup.

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-The Harp Lager Trophy.

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-And 40.

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-That was a lot of money then, 40.

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-Yes, it certainly was.

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-It gave us enough time

-to get more gigs.

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-Well, it enabled us

-to carry on with our career.

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-After a year,

-we came back to Wales...

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-..totally changed.

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-We went

-thinking we were an Irish group.

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-We came back

-knowing we were a Welsh group.

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-And you had to go to Ireland

-to do that!

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-Exactly.

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-A trophy and 40.

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-More on the trophy later.

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-Being back in Dungarvan

-was quite an experience for Frank.

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-So many different emotions

-come back, you know.

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-In a way, I'm quite dislocated

-from where we are...

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-..because I know

-I'm a different person.

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-But this place

-is still a part of who I am.

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-Inside the pub,

-a surprise awaited Frank.

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-Oh my God!

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-A group of old friends

-from the olden days.

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-How are you?

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-How are you?

-

-I'm fantastic.

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-All the better for seeing you.

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-Tony!

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-Tony!

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-Great to see you!

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-Couldn't be better!

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-It couldn't be better for Frank...

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-..but I was worried

-about what was coming next.

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-Rhys has never performed this song.

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-He'd never sung it until we sang it

-on the boat coming over.

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-After one practice on the boat,

-there was no turning back.

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-# As I rode out one morning

-going to Dungarvan Fair

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-# I spied a pretty maiden

-with the sunlight in her hair

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-# Her way was so delightful,

-her voice rang like a bell

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-# And as I overtook her,

-I asked if she was well

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-# Lay down your woollen shawl,

-my love, I swear it is no joke

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-# I'll tell to you the story

-of the Old Dungarvan Oak

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-# As we approached Dungarvan

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-# The girl at me did stare #

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-Too good for this show!

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-# She asked me why I raised my hat

-to a tree so old and bare

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-# I told her of the legend,

-if the tree should e'er come down

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-# There'd be a great disaster,

-sure Dungarvan would be drowned

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-# Lay down your woollen shawl,

-my love, I swear it is no joke

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-# I'll tell to you the story

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-# Of the Old Dungarvan Oak #

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-Very good, very good.

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-After the break, a story

-about Frank's hit in France...

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-..and I reveal my choice of duet...

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-..if we ever make land!

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-Cardiff born and Cardiff bred

-Frank Hennessy has brought me...

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-..to where his career began

-in southern Ireland.

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-After an evening

-in a pub in Dungarvan...

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-..we headed

-to the seaside village of Ardmore.

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-It was here in 1968 that the group

-won a folk music competition...

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-..received a trophy

-and the great sum of 40.

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-It encouraged them to carry on.

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-Here we are.

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-Here we are.

-

-Yes, Halla Deuglan.

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-Today, Frank and the trophy

-are back in the very same hall...

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-..where The Hennessys

-won that competition...

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-..with the song The Gypsy,

-almost fifty years ago.

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-This looks so strange.

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-Are the memories coming back?

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-Yes.

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-I was backstage.

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-I remember

-peeping through the curtain.

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-The place was rammed.

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-Full of people.

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-Full of people.

-

-Oh, absolutely.

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-And the tension.

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-There was another group competing.

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-They were very good.

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-A family group from up country.

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-We thought,

-"Oh, they're very good."

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-But the decision came.

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-The winners of the trophy

-are The Hennessys!

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-Wow!

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-Is this the trophy?

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-This is it.

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-What does it say?

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-Where's the front?

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-Ardmore Ballad Competition 1968.

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-There you go, boy.

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-The only place for two old stagers

-is on the stage.

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-Do you remember the nerves?

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-Yeah, yeah.

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-I remember the song

-that won us the competition.

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-It was called The Gypsy.

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-# Do you think

-that you're in love with me?

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-# Will you listen to what I say?

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-# You're too young

-to go with me, girl

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-# I'll soon be on me way

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-# Stop that silly crying now

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-# How can I make you see?

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-# For I'm a gypsy rover, love

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-# And you can't marry me

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-# Go home, girl, go home #

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-It ended like this.

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-# Now the hour's drawing on my love,

-and your ma's expecting thee

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-# Don't tell her that you met me

-here, or that I'm a gypsy

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-# Let go of my jacket now,

-your love will have to wait

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-# See, I am twenty-two years old,

-and you, you're only eight

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-# Go home, girl, go home #

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-Lovely.

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-And that was the winning song.

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-And that was the winning song.

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-Thank you, Saint Deuglan.

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-And thank you, Frank.

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-After Iolo and Dave arrived,

-a ceremony had been arranged.

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-Frank had decided

-to return the trophy...

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-..to the original organizers...

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-..and they had something

-for The Hennessys.

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-Before you give me anything,

-I have this little memento.

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-Recognize anyone in there?

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-There's Paul, the late Paul Powell.

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-The man with the long neck banjo.

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-Me, Tony Blackburn...!

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-Thank you.

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-It's great to see you back, lads.

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-It's great to be here because

-this place is so important to us.

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-Without Ardmore, perhaps

-there would have not been...

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-..certainly not The Hennessys

-as we know them, as we have been.

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-That was the catalyst.

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-Winning this cup that night

-was the catalyst.

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-It's been a fantastic welcome,

-and it's deserved.

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-Obviously, The Hennessys

-left a mark here.

0:19:240:19:27

-They did, no question about it.

0:19:270:19:29

-# As I was going over

-the far-famed Kerry mountains #

0:19:290:19:34

-Ardmore clearly played a key role

-in The Hennessys' history.

0:19:340:19:39

-How are you?

0:19:390:19:40

-We jump from here, do we?

0:19:400:19:42

-Will you catch us?!

0:19:420:19:44

-But Frank's links with the area

-go back to his early childhood.

0:19:450:19:50

-# Whack fol the daddy-o,

-there's whiskey in the jar #

0:19:500:19:54

-You first came here

-because you had family farming here.

0:19:540:19:59

-Yes, my Uncle Willie.

0:19:590:20:02

-He farmed on Tower Hill.

0:20:020:20:06

-When you came here as a boy

-to see your Uncle Willie...

0:20:070:20:11

-..did you hear Irish music then?

0:20:110:20:14

-Yes, yes.

0:20:140:20:15

-Uncle Willie

-played the penny whistle.

0:20:160:20:19

-He bought me a whistle.

0:20:210:20:23

-Maybe that was the start.

0:20:260:20:29

-That's where the interest started.

0:20:290:20:32

-I was seven years old.

0:20:320:20:33

-The young Hennessys came here...

0:20:340:20:37

-..to immerse themselves

-in the Irish traditions.

0:20:370:20:40

-You spent two years here

-then went back to Wales...

0:20:400:20:44

-..with all these songs.

0:20:450:20:47

-You must have been excited.

0:20:470:20:48

-You must have been excited.

-

-Let's go, yes!

0:20:480:20:50

-Unleash the beast!

0:20:500:20:51

-# Whack fol the daddy-o

0:20:540:20:56

-# Whack fol the daddy-o,

-there's whiskey in the jar #

0:20:560:21:01

-You're going to sing a solo now,

-and it's an exceptional song.

0:21:010:21:06

-What's the story behind

-Farewell To The Rhondda?

0:21:060:21:10

-Farewell To The Rhondda

-is one of the first songs I wrote.

0:21:100:21:16

-At the end of the 1960s...

0:21:180:21:20

-..the young people

-from the Valleys...

0:21:200:21:24

-..went to England to find work.

0:21:250:21:28

-The pits were closing.

0:21:290:21:30

-Rhydderch Jones

-wrote the Welsh words.

0:21:310:21:34

-By now, the song...

0:21:350:21:37

-..is considered to be traditional.

0:21:380:21:43

-Yes, it is.

0:21:440:21:45

-For a songwriter

-in the traditional way...

0:21:460:21:49

-..for that to happen...

0:21:490:21:51

-In your lifetime.

0:21:510:21:52

-..is so special, you know.

0:21:520:21:54

-# Farewell ye colliery workers,

-the muffler and the cap

0:22:000:22:05

-# Farewell ye Rhondda valley girls,

-we never will come back

0:22:060:22:11

-# The mines they are a-closin',

-the valleys they're all doomed

0:22:110:22:17

-# There's no work in the Rhondda,

-boys, we'll be in London soon

0:22:180:22:23

-# My father was a miner,

-and his father was before him

0:22:250:22:30

-# He always had been proud

-to work the coal

0:22:310:22:35

-# Since they fell

-'neath Roben's axe

0:22:360:22:39

-# All the lads have had the sack

0:22:390:22:41

-# So away to work

-in England we must go!

0:22:410:22:46

-# Farewell ye colliery workers,

-the muffler and the cap

0:22:470:22:52

-# Farewell ye Rhondda valley girls,

-we never will come back

0:22:520:22:58

-# The mines they are a-closin',

-the valleys they're all doomed

0:22:580:23:03

-# There's no work in the Rhondda,

-boys, we'll be in London soon

0:23:040:23:10

-# No more the chapel singin',

-that long ago has left us

0:23:120:23:17

-# And the public house

-no more the miner's songs

0:23:170:23:22

-# For the boot wheels

-they are stoppin'

0:23:220:23:25

-# And the population's droppin'

0:23:250:23:28

-# And I can't afford

-to stay here very long

0:23:280:23:32

-# Farewell ye colliery workers,

-the muffler and the cap

0:23:340:23:39

-# Farewell ye Rhondda valley girls,

-we never will come back

0:23:400:23:44

-# The mines they are a-closin',

-the valleys they're all doomed

0:23:440:23:50

-# There's no work in the Rhondda,

-boys, we'll be in London soon

0:23:510:23:57

-# Treherbert and Treorchy,

-Tonypandy and Tynewydd

0:23:580:24:03

-# Ystrad Rhondda

-and Ton Pentre, all adieu

0:24:040:24:08

-# For I can no longer wait

-while Parliament debates

0:24:090:24:14

-# So a sad farewell

-we bid to all of you!

0:24:140:24:18

-# Farewell ye colliery workers,

-the muffler and the cap

0:24:200:24:25

-# Farewell ye Rhondda valley girls,

-we never will come back

0:24:250:24:31

-# The mines they are a-closin',

-the valleys they're all doomed

0:24:310:24:36

-# There's no work in the Rhondda,

-boys, we'll be in London soon #

0:24:370:24:43

-After the break, back to Wales,

-but we can still taste the sea.

0:24:580:25:02

-Wow! Are they good for the voice?

0:25:030:25:05

-And we find treasure.

0:25:080:25:10

-And we find treasure.

-

-Twenty-five quid!

0:25:100:25:11

-.

0:25:140:25:15

-Subtitles

0:25:170:25:17

-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

0:25:170:25:19

-Ireland's influence

-on Frank Hennessy is clear.

0:25:210:25:25

-I enjoyed hearing about his time

-in Ardmore and Dungarvan.

0:25:250:25:29

-But the story continues

-on his home turf in Cardiff.

0:25:290:25:34

-# Because I'm Cardiff born,

-Cardiff bred

0:25:340:25:38

-# When I dies,

-I'll be Cardiff dead #

0:25:380:25:41

-Frank, you're famous for being

-Cardiff born, Cardiff bred.

0:25:410:25:45

-The city is very dear to you.

0:25:460:25:49

-Oh, of course.

0:25:490:25:50

-I was born in Cardiff

-and I'm very fond of the city.

0:25:500:25:56

-Here's a good question.

0:25:560:25:58

-A Cardiff quiz question.

0:25:590:26:01

-How many animals are there

-on the castle wall?

0:26:010:26:06

-I shouldn't look.

0:26:070:26:08

-No idea.

0:26:080:26:09

-I'll say...

0:26:100:26:11

-..twelve.

0:26:120:26:14

-No, no, no. Not bad.

0:26:140:26:15

-It's fifteen.

0:26:170:26:18

-It's fifteen.

-

-Fifteen?

0:26:180:26:19

-Including the two lions.

0:26:190:26:22

-Oh, right.

0:26:220:26:23

-Oh, right.

-

-It's a trick question.

0:26:230:26:25

-When I was a kid...

0:26:260:26:27

-..every week, I would

-count the animals on the wall.

0:26:280:26:32

-I don't know if I expected them

-to procreate or what!

0:26:320:26:35

-What's so special about Cardiff?

0:26:370:26:41

-What do you reckon?

0:26:410:26:43

-I'm not sure.

0:26:430:26:44

-The community?

0:26:450:26:46

-The community?

-

-It's in my heart.

0:26:460:26:48

-When I was young...

0:26:500:26:52

-..the city was a bit scruffy,

-down at heel.

0:26:530:26:57

-But now...

0:26:590:27:01

-..there's a dynamic in the place.

0:27:020:27:05

-It's unstoppable.

0:27:050:27:06

-From noisy Cardiff

-to the tranquil studio...

0:27:110:27:14

-..and Frank's melodic duet,

-Os Daw 'Nghariad.

0:27:140:27:17

-# Give him a civil answer

0:27:170:27:20

-# A civil answer

0:27:210:27:23

-# Do not speak to him unkindly #

0:27:250:27:32

-Our voices are totally different.

0:27:320:27:35

-I wasn't sure

-how they'd sound together.

0:27:360:27:38

-If you listened to them

-separately in the solo parts...

0:27:390:27:42

-..they're totally different.

0:27:420:27:44

-But it's funny

-how voices can meld together.

0:27:450:27:49

-That's the aim of the series.

0:27:490:27:51

-Bringing different voices together

-and seeing how well they blend.

0:27:510:27:56

-It sounded good to me!

0:27:560:27:57

-Composing.

0:27:580:27:59

-Composing.

-

-That's folk music for you!

0:27:590:28:01

-Especially with Os Daw 'Nghariad.

0:28:020:28:04

-It's a simpler song

-and the melody flows.

0:28:040:28:10

-That makes it harder

-to meld the voices.

0:28:100:28:13

-# Tell him

0:28:130:28:15

-# No hard feelings

0:28:150:28:17

-# No hard feelings

0:28:170:28:20

-# Leaving him in this way #

0:28:210:28:27

-The folk scene

-is very different to the opera.

0:28:280:28:32

-But he's very good...

0:28:330:28:35

-..at folk singing.

0:28:370:28:38

-No problem at all.

0:28:390:28:40

-No problem at all?

0:28:420:28:44

-We'll see later, Frank!

0:28:440:28:45

-# You've never seen the equal

-of the mighty Grangetown whale #

0:28:460:28:50

-My trip with Frank

-brought us to the market.

0:28:500:28:54

-The young Frank came here to buy

-a treat with his pocket money.

0:28:540:28:59

-When I was very young,

-I used to come here to the market...

0:28:590:29:05

-..every Saturday morning

-with my pocket money...

0:29:060:29:09

-..and bought cockles.

0:29:090:29:12

-Penclawdd cockles.

0:29:120:29:14

-I'll try some.

0:29:140:29:15

-I'll try some.

-

-Can we have two little tubs please?

0:29:150:29:17

-Is that enough?

0:29:180:29:19

-Is that enough?

-

-More than enough.

0:29:190:29:20

-I don't want to kill him!

0:29:200:29:22

-I'll pay for them.

0:29:230:29:25

-Your treat, eh?

0:29:260:29:27

-Yes, my treat.

0:29:270:29:28

-I like seafood.

0:29:330:29:34

-Absolutely fantastic.

0:29:360:29:37

-Absolutely fantastic.

-

-Are they good for the voice?

0:29:370:29:39

-# We headed west for Canton,

-through the cockle beds did sail #

0:29:430:29:47

-Upstairs now,

-there's a very special shop.

0:29:490:29:54

-# And the flourishin' of his tail

0:29:550:29:57

-# You've never seen the equal #

0:29:570:30:00

-This is a special place for me.

0:30:010:30:03

-If you come to the market,

-you have to come here.

0:30:030:30:08

-Kelly's Records.

0:30:080:30:10

-We used to call it Eddie Kelly's

-second-hand record shop.

0:30:110:30:15

-Good morning. How are you doing?

0:30:150:30:18

-Good morning. How are you doing?

-

-Very well, thank you. How are you?

0:30:180:30:20

-I'm Frank Hennessy.

0:30:210:30:22

-Eddie, in the old days,

-sold quite a few of my records.

0:30:220:30:26

-Have you got any Hennessys records?

0:30:260:30:27

-Have you got any Hennessys records?

-

-We do have some over here.

0:30:270:30:29

-Interestingly enough, Eddie

-is my great-grandmother's brother.

0:30:290:30:34

-So, he's your great uncle.

0:30:340:30:37

-So, he's your great uncle.

-

-I think so, yes.

0:30:370:30:39

-We had to have a look.

0:30:390:30:41

-The Hennessys.

0:30:420:30:43

-Look at that!

0:30:440:30:45

-Paul, Dave and me.

0:30:480:30:52

-Walking over Caerphilly Mountain.

0:30:530:30:56

-Look.

0:30:580:30:59

-Twenty-five quid!

0:31:000:31:02

-They were fifteen bob

-when they came out!

0:31:050:31:08

-There's nothing by Rhys Meirion.

0:31:110:31:14

-Give it time!

0:31:140:31:16

-Everyone keeps my CDs.

0:31:180:31:19

-You can't find second-hand!

0:31:200:31:22

-From old records to Frank's

-latest track, Os Daw 'Nghariad.

0:31:270:31:31

-What was the experience like?

0:31:320:31:34

-I got a very nice surprise,

-to be honest.

0:31:340:31:39

-You've made me sound not half bad.

0:31:400:31:44

-I haven't done anything.

0:31:440:31:46

-It's your voice.

0:31:460:31:47

-It's your voice.

-

-Yes.

0:31:470:31:48

-You chose Os Daw 'Nghariad.

0:31:490:31:51

-Have you played it

-on your programme?

0:31:510:31:54

-Oh, yes, many times.

0:31:540:31:56

-And the next version

-will be by Frank and Rhys.

0:31:570:32:00

-Who knows?

0:32:010:32:03

-# If my love comes here tonight

0:32:210:32:25

-# Here tonight

0:32:260:32:29

-# To knock on the window pane

0:32:300:32:36

-# Give him a civil answer

0:32:380:32:41

-# A civil answer

0:32:410:32:45

-# Do not speak to him unkindly

0:32:460:32:53

-# Tell him the girl is not at home

0:32:540:33:00

-# And neither is her soul

0:33:020:33:08

-# A young man from the next parish

0:33:100:33:14

-# From the next parish

0:33:140:33:17

-# Has taken her away

0:33:180:33:22

-# Tell him

0:33:300:33:31

-# There are no hard feelings

0:33:320:33:34

-# No hard feelings

0:33:340:33:37

-# As I leave him in this way

0:33:380:33:44

-# I would like so much tonight

0:33:450:33:48

-# So much tonight

0:33:490:33:51

-# To feel his arm holding me tight

0:33:520:33:58

-# But a young man

-from the next parish

0:34:000:34:06

-# Has taken her away

0:34:070:34:13

-# A girl's will belongs not to her

0:34:140:34:18

-# Belongs not to her

0:34:180:34:21

-# Another has taken hold of me

0:34:220:34:28

-# Many another girl there is to love

0:35:010:35:04

-# There is to love

0:35:040:35:08

-# Around here within the shire

0:35:080:35:15

-# And it would be

-much better for him

0:35:170:35:20

-# Better for him

0:35:200:35:23

-# To find another before long

0:35:250:35:31

-# Give him that message

0:35:320:35:38

-# And do not speak to him unkindly

0:35:400:35:46

-# If my lover comes here tonight

0:35:470:35:50

-# Here tonight

0:35:510:35:54

-# To knock on the window pane

0:35:540:36:01

-# If my lover comes here tonight

0:36:020:36:07

-# Here tonight

0:36:080:36:11

-# To knock

0:36:120:36:14

-# On the window pane #

0:36:150:36:22

-Look out.

0:36:330:36:34

-After the break,

-we set about my choice...

0:36:350:36:38

-..and our tour of Cardiff

-takes us to an unlikely location.

0:36:390:36:44

-.

0:36:450:36:46

-*

0:36:490:36:49

-*

-

-*

0:36:490:36:49

-# No tears were spilt

-over your blood #

0:36:490:36:53

-For the last time, Frank Hennessy

-and I are back in the studio.

0:36:530:36:57

-Frank's duet is complete,

-and mine is beginning to take shape.

0:36:580:37:02

-There we are.

0:37:050:37:06

-There we are.

-

-I'm levitating, mun.

0:37:060:37:08

-I've chosen Gwaed Ar Eu Dwylo.

0:37:080:37:10

-It's an anti-war song about the

-Great War, which is apt for 2017.

0:37:110:37:16

-I'm involved in the Hedd Wyn

-celebrations over in Flanders...

0:37:160:37:22

-..exploring the Great War.

0:37:220:37:24

-I went to Mametz Wood,

-that hellish place...

0:37:240:37:29

-..where Welsh soldiers

-were killed in their thousands.

0:37:290:37:33

-So, this song means a lot to me.

0:37:330:37:36

-# And the banner

-wasn't waved at half mast #

0:37:360:37:42

-It's also apt

-because of the Irish links...

0:37:430:37:46

-..with the original folk song,

-Willie McBride.

0:37:460:37:49

-# Who had blood on their hands #

0:37:490:37:53

-Stop there.

0:37:540:37:55

-What's the verdict?

0:37:560:37:57

-What's the verdict?

-

-It's good.

0:37:570:37:58

-Is it?

0:37:590:38:00

-I think it's OK now.

0:38:000:38:01

-I think it's OK now.

-

-Let's sit down and listen to it.

0:38:010:38:03

-This is where

-I feel terribly exposed.

0:38:060:38:09

-They take it back

-and it's just the voice. Ugh!

0:38:090:38:13

-# No tears were spilt

-over your blood

0:38:130:38:17

-# By those who had blood #

0:38:180:38:20

-Oh, I was wrong there.

0:38:200:38:22

-That's the magic

-of a different voice.

0:38:270:38:31

-Different voices coming together...

0:38:310:38:35

-..to make one voice.

0:38:360:38:37

-He must have some ear,

-you know, Rhys...

0:38:380:38:41

-..because he can adapt his voice

-to whoever he's singing with...

0:38:410:38:46

-..and make it sound right.

0:38:460:38:48

-Not many people can do that.

0:38:490:38:51

-# By those who had blood

-on their hands #

0:38:520:38:57

-Very good, Frank.

0:39:000:39:01

-In the can!

0:39:030:39:04

-Superb!

0:39:040:39:05

-Wow! That comes across

-as very powerful.

0:39:050:39:09

-Back near Cardiff, Frank wanted me

-to see the site of his old home...

0:39:120:39:18

-..where he spent

-the first four years of his life.

0:39:180:39:21

-There's no sign of a house today.

0:39:220:39:24

-Well, well.

0:39:250:39:26

-I don't believe this.

0:39:290:39:31

-Has it changed?

0:39:310:39:32

-Has it changed?

-

-Wow!

0:39:320:39:33

-Where this scrapyard stands

-was once the site of an army camp.

0:39:340:39:38

-After the war,

-my parents came back to Cardiff.

0:39:390:39:43

-My mother hailed from Manchester.

0:39:430:39:46

-She met my father during the war.

0:39:460:39:49

-They came back to Cardiff,

-but lived in two rooms, not a house.

0:39:500:39:56

-In Cathays in Cardiff.

0:39:560:39:58

-My father heard about this place.

0:39:580:40:01

-Look at this.

0:40:010:40:02

-These are my parents.

0:40:030:40:04

-These are my parents.

-

-Is that you?

0:40:040:40:05

-Yes, as a baby.

0:40:050:40:07

-That's the house.

0:40:080:40:10

-Number 19.

0:40:100:40:11

-What's the name?

0:40:130:40:14

-What's the name?

-

-Stella Maris. Star of the sea.

0:40:140:40:17

-So was this an old army camp?

0:40:180:40:19

-So was this an old army camp?

-

-Yes, yes, that's right.

0:40:190:40:21

-All through the war.

0:40:210:40:23

-After the war...

0:40:230:40:25

-..they just pulled out

-and were gone all of a sudden.

0:40:260:40:30

-My father heard about

-a bit of a scam, I suppose...

0:40:310:40:35

-..but it was legal.

0:40:350:40:36

-It was called squatters' rights.

0:40:370:40:40

-If you could put a bed

-in an empty house...

0:40:410:40:47

-..and put a new lock on the door...

0:40:480:40:51

-..you could go to the council...

0:40:530:40:57

-..and claim squatters' rights

-on property whatever.

0:40:570:41:01

-Number 19, Mardy Camp.

0:41:010:41:03

-The rent was a shilling a week...

0:41:060:41:10

-..including electricity.

0:41:110:41:13

-It must feel weird to be back.

0:41:150:41:17

-It was a proper community.

0:41:170:41:20

-The residents' committee

-met once a week.

0:41:200:41:26

-Real good people.

0:41:280:41:30

-I was very happy here.

0:41:300:41:33

-Tidy.

0:41:340:41:35

-Half tidy, as we say.

0:41:350:41:36

-And this was where

-Frank Hennessy started.

0:41:370:41:39

-Yes, tidy.

0:41:410:41:43

-Frank's stories

-painted a portrait...

0:41:430:41:46

-..of the hardships of life

-in Cardiff almost 70 years ago.

0:41:460:41:50

-The greatest little pub

-in the world.

0:41:500:41:52

-Frank wanted me to see

-one more place, another pub.

0:41:530:41:56

-The Old Arcade,

-one of his old haunts.

0:41:560:42:00

-Fancy a pint?

0:42:000:42:01

-We must have one.

0:42:010:42:02

-A pint of Dark.

0:42:030:42:04

-A pint of Dark.

-

-Dark?

0:42:040:42:05

-G'day. How are you, mate?

0:42:070:42:09

-I'm brilliant.

0:42:090:42:10

-That's a cracking accent.

0:42:110:42:12

-That's a cracking accent.

-

-Yeah, from Melbourne, Australia.

0:42:120:42:14

-Mate, I would love a selfie.

0:42:150:42:17

-Really?

0:42:170:42:18

-Two days ago, I was with Green Day.

0:42:180:42:21

-Admirers from near and far,

-including one of my heroes.

0:42:220:42:27

-Here's a meeting of giants.

0:42:270:42:29

-You've picked the right time

-to come in, Barry.

0:42:300:42:33

-Of all the heroes you might expect

-to meet in Cardiff...

0:42:340:42:37

-..Barry John is top of the tree.

0:42:370:42:40

-This is not made up!

0:42:400:42:41

-None other than the 1970s

-king of rugby, Barry John.

0:42:420:42:46

-Two pints of Dark, please.

0:42:500:42:51

-He's going to introduce me

-to a pint of Dark.

0:42:520:42:54

-Wasn't there a song about it?

0:42:550:42:56

-Wasn't there a song about it?

-

-Cardiff born and Cardiff bred.

0:42:560:42:57

-When I dies, I'll be Cardiff dead.

0:42:570:42:59

-They'll build a little plot

-in Splott in memory of me.

0:42:590:43:02

-Now Cardiff is a beautiful city.

0:43:020:43:04

-It's got the castle

-and Cardiff Arms Park.

0:43:040:43:07

-We're thinking of adopting a mascot.

0:43:070:43:10

-A big huge pint of Brains Dark.

0:43:100:43:12

-Iechyd da!

0:43:130:43:15

-Good health, and good memories.

0:43:150:43:17

-We came here

-for our folk singing escapades.

0:43:180:43:21

-It used to be crammed out.

0:43:210:43:23

-Oh, great.

0:43:240:43:26

-Oh, great.

-

-Fond memories.

0:43:260:43:27

-Oh, fantastic.

0:43:270:43:28

-It's a special place.

0:43:300:43:31

-A special place

-and a special journey.

0:43:320:43:35

-The last word goes to Frank.

0:43:350:43:37

-We had Guinness in Ireland.

0:43:370:43:40

-We're having Dark in Cardiff.

0:43:410:43:43

-What next?

0:43:450:43:46

-Hennessy brandy!

0:43:470:43:48

-A small one!

0:43:490:43:50

-A small one!

-

-Afterwards? We'll see.

0:43:500:43:52

-Thanks for the trip.

0:43:520:43:53

-Thanks for the trip.

-

-It's been a pleasure.

0:43:530:43:54

-Lots of fun, lots of laughs

-and good singing.

0:43:550:43:59

-What else could you ask for?

0:43:590:44:01

-What else could you ask for?

-

-Thanks very much.

0:44:010:44:02

-# Oh, Tomos John Williams,

-I see your grave

0:44:150:44:19

-# In the green fields of France

-that are peaceful today

0:44:200:44:24

-# You are here,

-so lonely and far from Fron Goch

0:44:250:44:30

-# And only the poppy

-recalls the red blood

0:44:300:44:35

-# I see that you were

-only 18 years old

0:44:370:44:41

-# When you fell on the Somme,

-and you weren't alone

0:44:410:44:47

-# While fighting for countries

-so that they may be free

0:44:480:44:52

-# At the age of eighteen,

-you were entombed in the earth

0:44:520:44:57

-# But you weren't called a hero

-or counted a patriot

0:44:570:45:02

-# And the banner

-wasn't waved at half mast

0:45:020:45:07

-# No tears were spilt

-over your blood

0:45:080:45:12

-# By those who had blood

-on their hands

0:45:130:45:18

-# And who were the ones,

-pray tell, who told you

0:45:210:45:25

-# That it was fine for a youth

-to shoulder a gun

0:45:270:45:32

-# And who were the ones

-in their grand uniforms

0:45:320:45:37

-# Who drilled you and marched you

-and murdered you in a while

0:45:370:45:42

-# You didn't see through them

-until late in the day

0:45:430:45:48

-# You didn't get the chance

-to grow a free man

0:45:480:45:54

-# But through the smoke and the

-medals as you fell to the ground

0:45:550:45:59

-# You saw that it wouldn't be them

-shedding tears

0:45:590:46:04

-# But you weren't called a hero

-or counted a patriot

0:46:040:46:09

-# And the banner

-wasn't waved at half mast

0:46:090:46:14

-# No tears were spilt

-over your blood

0:46:150:46:19

-# By those

-who had blood on their hands

0:46:200:46:25

-# Those men down in London

-in their seats in Whitehall

0:46:330:46:39

-# Send others to war,

-men who'll never return

0:46:390:46:43

-# From the slums of Glasgow

-or the Welsh countryside

0:46:440:46:49

-# Innocent lads

-are sent out to fight

0:46:490:46:54

-# Either to be killed

-or to kill fellow men

0:46:550:47:00

-# In the name of some freedom

-that they know not themselves

0:47:000:47:05

-# You, Tomos Williams,

-in the name of nothing

0:47:060:47:11

-# Fall victim to the trenches

-again and again

0:47:110:47:15

-# But you weren't called a hero

-or counted a patriot

0:47:160:47:20

-# And the banner

-wasn't waved at half mast

0:47:200:47:26

-# No tears were spilt

-over your blood

0:47:290:47:33

-# By those who had blood

-on their hands #

0:47:340:47:40

-S4C Subtitles by Testun Cyf.

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Bydd y canwr gwerin 'Cardiff born, Cardiff bred,' Frank Hennessy, yn rhannu straeon ac yn canu gyda Rhys Meirion. Rhys Meirion is joined by Cardiff-born folk singer Frank Hennessy.