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Hello and welcome to Songs of Praise. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
This week, we're meeting artists | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
and writers from the south-west to the north-east of Scotland. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:11 | |
The artist who risked all by giving up the day job. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
A writer who delves into the minds of murderers. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
How to make a business from hip hop. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
And hymns from Dunblane by Scottish hymn writers, past and present. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
We've chosen to celebrate Scottish artists | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
because we are celebrating the anniversary of the birth | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
of Scotland's national poet, Robert Burns. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Burns lived in the 18th century in Ayrshire in the south-west of Scotland. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
In his late 20s, he set off on a tour of Scotland | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
and he stopped here in Dunblane. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
He stayed in an inn within sight of the cathedral | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
in which today's hymns are being sung. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
We begin with a traditional Scottish psalm. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
It's been sung on many a grand occasion, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
including the Queen's wedding. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
By Allan-side I chanc'd to rove, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
while Phebus sank beyond Ben Ledi. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
The winds were whispering thro' the grove, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
the yellow corn was waving ready. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
I listen'd to a lover's sang | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
and thought on youthfu' pleasures mony. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
And ay the wild-wood echoes rang | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
O dearly do I lo'e thee, Annie. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
That's Robert Burns' poem, Allan Water, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
and this is the Allan Water running past us here in Dunblane? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Yes, indeed, Burns visited Perthshire on his first Highland tour in 1787 | 0:03:49 | 0:03:55 | |
and was basically enchanted with the scenery and the countryside. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a look | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
in the cathedral while he was here. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
It's interesting because | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
-people don't think that Burns was religious? -It's a strange thing | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
because it's there on the page, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
his belief in God, his interest in religion, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
and if you think about his own Presbyterianism, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
he is the man who, in the Cotter's Saturday Night, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
gives the Presbyterian community in Scotland a sense that it is cultured. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
He says it's OK to pray in a simple way, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
it's OK to concentrate on the Bible and when he does that, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
he's being absolutely sincere | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
and paying tribute to his own upbringing. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
It's interesting that Burns is a Presbyterian. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
Is Burns taking that side of Scottish national life seriously? | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
He takes that side seriously | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
and we might say Burns is a great ecumenical poet. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
This is the man who writes sympathetically about the Covenanters, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
the man who writes sympathetically about Mary, Queen of Scots, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
that great Scottish Stewart Catholic icon, if you like. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
He's a man who knows there's more than one way to be Scottish. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
He's a man who knows that Scotland | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
has had a number of different religions and different identities. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
So, a man who knows there are different ways to be religious? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Absolutely, he is absolutely expansive in his humanity | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
and he will write sympathetically about Islam on occasion, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
or about Jewish people. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
He is a man of the Enlightenment who believes | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
we might have different creeds, different colours, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
different cultures, but by and large, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
human nature inside is pretty much the same wherever you go on the planet. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
What does Robert Burns mean to you, personally? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
Well, he's a great poet, he is perhaps an even greater songwriter. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Ultimately, I suppose in the Christian context, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
we're talking about someone who has a strong sense of human weakness | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
but, often overriding that, a sense of joy in the face of the world. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
And I think in many ways, those sort of perspectives | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
come out of Burns' quite mainstream Christian point of view. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
You're a Catholic yourself, you have a Christian faith. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
Is there something in Burns that speaks to that core aspect of you? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
He is very good at looking into himself | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
and seeing the cant and the hypocrisy. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
He is very good at seeing sinfulness but ultimately, to some extent, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
he can leave that behind, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
because he is a man who even sees | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
dwelling in one's own sinfulness as a form of pride. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
So there are quite deep currents of Christianity going on there. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
And deep currents of human nature | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
and that speaks to me very deeply from so much of Burns' work. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
I think you like this man? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
I love him! | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Robert Burns was brilliant, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
none better at putting new words to traditional Scottish tunes. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
Today, that is what John Bell and Graham Maule are doing | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
to make new hymns. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
Alex Gray is a writer. | 0:08:58 | 0:08:59 | |
Her books are crime novels, grim stories of murders. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
I've got a passion to authenticate the things that I write. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
Partly I'm driven by fear because I don't know an awful lot. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
I don't have a criminal background | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and I don't have a police background so I really have to go | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
and find out the facts from the experts who know them. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
What's up here? | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
This is the Justice of the Peace court, then it was made into... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
Generally, the ideas for my novels come from real situations. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
Sometimes these are quite dark situations. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I remember going to sleep one night at a crime writers' festival | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
and having this "what if" moment | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
and it was, what if somebody decided | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
that they wanted to commit murder. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
How would they go about it? | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
I thought, somebody with that kind of idea has to be really evil. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
So this book, Five Ways To Kill A Man, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
was an exploration of the nature of evil in a person. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
It was a very, very hard book to write. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
I think crime novels are very moral novels. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
They have a very good outcome. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
There's not a lot we can do about the world around us. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
We have a vote every five years, for example. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
But as a writer, I can create a pseudo world, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
a fictional world, where I make things happen | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
and I can also resolve the things that happen | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
and have a positive outcome. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
I think all crime writers have this sense | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
of being able to control their world and have a good moral outcome. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
I like that, I like doing that. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
I'm fascinated by what makes people tick. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
I'm fascinated by what makes people do the bad and the good things they do, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
the psychology behind it. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
But beyond all of that, there is a loving God. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
I've found in my lifetime, no matter what situation you're up against, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
even if you don't have answers, there's always a certainty | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
that there is a much, much greater, powerful force and that is God. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
A force for good. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
A force that will always be there. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Underneath are the everlasting arms, I totally believe that, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
in any kind of situation. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Also, I totally believe in redemption. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
No matter how bad an act that you've committed, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
it can always be forgiven by a loving God. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
Our next hymn is by another Scottish writer, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
the 19th century Edinburgh minister, Horatius Bonar. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
FUNK MUSIC PLAYS | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
5,6,7,8. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
Dance has always been part of my life. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Myself and my brother, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
we had been inspired by Michael Jackson... | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
And one, two, three and four. | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
'..and the Jackson Five, so we were copying him.' | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Consol Efomi is a dancer, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
but he's much more than that, he's the son of a Congolese diplomat | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
and the great-grandson of a tribal chief. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
I had a very privileged life in Congo. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
So, even queueing, it was not something I was doing back home. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
You were always at the front of the queue back home! | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
At the front or you had people from the protocol who was queuing for you. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
Ending up in Glasgow, at the back of the queue, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
meant Consol had to learn a very different way of living. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
I started working as a cleaner, working in the warehouse. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
I didn't know even how to mop. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
So they teach me how to mop, how I should stand straight and, you know? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
So it was a very difficult time. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Two jobs of eight hours, so I had to work extremely hard. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
But then things began to look up. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
At a church in Glasgow, Consol met Kate who was to become his wife. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
I knew him as a dancer and that was about it. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
He was in the Christmas shows doing this hip-hop dance | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
which I didn't know anything about | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
and wasn't really interested in at the time. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
-What did you two have in common? -It's our faith. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
We made it clear that Christianity is a culture | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
and we built everything around that. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
We had nothing in common apart from our faith, absolutely nothing. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
At the same time as he was building a new relationship, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Consol was also forging a new career. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
I went through university doing entrepreneurship. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
And this is time that I had that idea | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
of creating a dance-video-sharing platform, just like YouTube. | 0:16:54 | 0:17:00 | |
I've been working hard on that for the last year. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
You must be rather proud of him now. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Consol jokes about the fact that he pursued me for two or three years. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
I think because we didn't have much in common apart from our faith, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
I was nervous about getting involved with this guy, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
but I think the main thing that really attracted me to him | 0:17:21 | 0:17:27 | |
was his sense of dignity, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
his sense of drive, his sense of tenacity. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
And that faith that brought you together in the first place, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
that...still what drives you forward? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
That's what we agreed when we were dating really. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Let's forget about the fact that you carve a turkey | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
by chopping it into four quarters at Christmas | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
and I carve it with an electric knife. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
Let's forget all that and put the kingdom at the centre | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
and everything else falls into place. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
We were trying to put something in our ring, wedding ring, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
and then we were trying to find all these romantic things. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
But then we say, by the way, we are together because of our faith | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
and what we put in our ring, it is a verse that says, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
"For me and my house, we will serve the Lord." | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
One of the new hymns that has recently become popular | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
on Songs of Praise is We Cannot Measure How You Heal. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
It's set to the tune of a Robert Burns song, Ye Banks And Braes. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
If you want to make a living as a landscape artist, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
you could hardly find a better place to live | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
than this remote peninsula of south Argyll. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
One of Scotland's most popular artists, John Lowrie Morrison, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
better known by his signature "Jolomo", | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
came to live here 30 years ago. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
We came here to Argyll | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
because my love of the west coast brought me here as a painter. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
Over 21 years, I worked in the local high school, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
I was Head of Art at one stage, and then latterly, in education, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
I was involved in the education development service | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
as an art adviser, going around schools in Strathclyde. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
I was session clerk here in the local church for a long time, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
and that took me into doing ad hoc pulpit supply | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
for ministers that were unwell or whatever. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
I was about to lead worship in the Bellanoch church, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
not far from here, as I usually do. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
I was praying for the service, that the service would go well, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
and as I was praying, I heard this voice saying, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
"I want you to do two things, preaching and painting." Two Ps. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
That was the exact words I heard...inside. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
What do you mean about hearing a voice? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
It wasn't a booming voice in the church or anything like that, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
nothing physical. But it was a still, small voice you hear within yourself. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
John works for hours each day in his studio | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
surrounded by decades of discarded tubes and unused oils. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
So, to what extent is painting for you a sort of act...? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
It's a spiritual act. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
I start off each day, just spending a few minutes in prayer | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
and reading a bit of scripture, and then I paint. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
It's like I'm praying when I'm painting. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
And quite a lot of artists have said that, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
people who are not religious at all. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
Not Christian, not religious in any way, Buddhist or Muslim or whatever. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
They'll say that their painting feels like a form of prayer. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
What I'm trying to do is show, not only the beauty of God's creation, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
but the beauty that's in creation that man has... | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
We think man's destroyed creation, and in many ways he has, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
but there's lots of things that man has built over the years | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
that can look absolutely beautiful. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Like an old dry-stone dyke, or an old bit of a farm building, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
or an old gate. That's all grist to the mill for me. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
At the end of the day, beauty is the most important thing | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
and you can relate to people through that beauty. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
The test in all of it is that I went into training as a lay reader | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
with the Church of Scotland over five years. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
I then gave up education which was a big thing, good salary. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
We had a mortgage, three boys at the time, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
it wasn't a clever thing to do really. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
What happened when you went home and said to your wife, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
"Hello, dear, I've heard a voice, I'm giving up my job. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
"I don't know how we'll pay the mortgage." | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
Maureen was a psychiatric nurse | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
and I think she'd thought I'd gone off my head, cos she knew the signs. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
No, she was totally stunned. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
It was not the kind of thing you do every day. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
But we prayed about it, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
and prayed about it with friends and we felt it was the right thing to do. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
When I'm dead and gone, the main thing I hope you'll say to me is, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
"You've been a faithful servant," | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
and I've always felt duty to God is very, very important. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
-ALEX: -We give you thanks for your redeeming love. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
The source of strength in our weakness. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
CONSOL: We give you thanks for your faithfulness, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
bringing hope out of our most difficult moments. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
-JOHN: -We give you thanks for infusing life with your presence, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
bringing light and colour out of darkness. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
And so, to our final hymn, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
from the wonderful setting of Dunblane Cathedral. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
Next week, Russell Watson discovers how his native Salford | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
has changed since artist LS Lowry painted the town. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
He performs the classic hymn, Jerusalem, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
and introduces some wonderful congregational singing | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
from St Peter's Church in Swinton. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 |