25/01/2017 100 Days


25/01/2017

As President Trump takes office, Katty Kay in Washington and Christian Fraser in London report on the events that are shaping the world.


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The President promised this would be a big day for US National security.

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And good to his word, Donald Trump is pressing ahead

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with plans to tighten the borders of the United States.

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We're going to build a wall. We have to build a wall. And he promises

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Mexico will pay for the ball eventually. There will be a payment,

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it will be in perhaps the complicated form and you have to

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understand what I'm doing is good for the US and also good for Mexico.

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It's reported the President will also ask for a review

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of the way terrorist suspects are interrogated.

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We'll hear from the CIA Director who closed the black site prisons.

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It would be a mistake to go back to that and could be damaging in terms

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of our image to the rest of the world.

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In other news, some have dismissed as a distraction but the president

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He is ordering a major investigation into voter fraud,

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still convinced that illegal votes affected the election result.

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And gun violence in Chicago - the President says he is considering

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sending in the Feds - would it help?

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Hello it is Wednesday afternoon here in Washington,

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Donald Trump has promised a "big day" in the reform of America's

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The President is outlining changes to immigration, visa controls,

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and a crack down on gun violence in Chicago.

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And of course there is the promise, which he made throughout

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that election campaign, to build that wall.

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He's also given his first TV interview as President,

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here is what he said about that Wall to ABC News...

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Ultimately we will start negotiations relatively soon with

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Mexico and we will be reimbursed by Mexico. So the American taxpayer

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will pay for the ball first. We will be reimbursed at a later date from

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whatever transaction we make from Mexico. The Mexican president said

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Mexico will not pay and added it goes against their dignity as a

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country and as Mexicans. He has to say that. I'm just telling you,

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there will be a payment, it will be perhaps in a complicated form, and

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you have to understand what I'm doing is good for the US and also

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good for Mexico. We want a stable and solid Mexico. When does

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construction begin. As soon as we can physically do it. Within months?

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I would say within months and certainly planning is starting

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immediately. Our North America editor

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Jon Sopel is here. He needs to be seen to be moving on

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this issue? It was the signature mark of his campaign and whichever

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rally Kuwait to it was, build a wall. Then he would ask who is going

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to pay and the crowd would say, Mexico. Except of course initially

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it will be the US taxpayer. Possibly Mexico, maybe. Because of course the

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US taxpayer is going to fund this. He is saying there will be some

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payment, it will be complicated. What does any of that mean. He has

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got to get going on it but quite what is going to be because during

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the campaign will lead to the it would be a 20 foot high wall

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stretching 2000 miles. I do not think he is quite envisaging that

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corrupt part of it will be offence, part of that reinforced wall, not

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quite all but it seems. Maybe that is something got used to when

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dealing with Donald Trump. He starts from one position, we end up up

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somewhere else. There's the issue of whether the president wants to

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review the American policy on black site prisons and interrogation

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techniques. Two or three hours ago I felt I was reliving an episode of

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Homeland. Extraordinary rendition. Water boarding, black sites. All the

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rest of it, enhanced interrogation techniques. He left it open in the

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ABC interview and throughout the campaign. He said he would do

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tougher stuff than water boarding. So it came to the White House

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briefing, which ended 30 minutes ago and the President's spokesman Sean

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Spicer was asked about it. Can you shed light on the draft memo going

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around about interrogation practices. It is not the White House

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document. Those who have reported on it, I think this is the second day

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we had a document that was not a White House document reported on as

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a factual document. I have no idea where it came from. But it is not a

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White House document. Does that clear it up? I would have thought if

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it was complete baloney, he would have had huge joy in saying it is

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complete baloney. Instead of which he said it is not a White House

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document, to my knowledge the president has not seen it. So I

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think there is an area of ambiguity is still in there somewhere. It

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clearly is not about to be an executive order that is going to be

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signed tomorrow. But if you read the document there has been a lot of

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careful work gone into drafting it, what it would mean, what it would

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not mean, changes to the army manual. So perhaps it is something

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on the back burner but not the full force, White House document,

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publication tomorrow or the day after. Yesterday we spoke about

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special advisers Stephen Bannon who of course was critical of the Obama

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attitude towards tackling terror. But we heard from the Defence

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Secretary James Mathis who has a more relaxed view on this. So is

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there going to be tension? I think there is tension between the

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populists and the old guard, I think there are tensions between radicals

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and more traditionally conservative elements. James Mathis the Defence

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Secretary thought he had convinced Donald Trump that actually the whole

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issue of torture, forget the human rights aspect of it, he says it is

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simply not working. Much better to give someone you are interrogating a

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couple of beers and the cigarette than to start trying to water board

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them and hope you will get information that way. So it seems

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there is a tension within the administration, but not a White

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House document according to Sean Spicer. And has been more news,

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about the voter fraud issue. President Trump tweeting again about

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this issue. We spoke of it yesterday. Is it now becoming a

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political tool with which the president and the Supreme Court will

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be able to look at voting rights issues in America? That is leaping a

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lot of logical steps down the way but not unreasonable. Let's hear

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what the critical voices are saying. It is simple, he is the thin skinned

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narcissist and cannot accept that he lost the popular vote to Hillary

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Clinton, all driven by that. But other people, what happens if there

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is a review and it does not come up with the conclusion saying there was

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voter fraud but there is to eliminate any perception that there

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is voter fraud, in future elections there should be people having to

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produce identity before they are able to vote. That could have the

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effect of suppressing voter turnout especially amongst poor

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African-American communities, who are most likely to vote Democrat.

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That story is dominating American media this morning. Let's get

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reaction from former Republican governor of Virginia Jim Gilmore.

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You trained on the Arizona border before you went to work in US

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intelligence in Europe. Do you think it is actually possible to build

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this wall, 1900 miles long, along the US, Mexican border? It is pretty

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long and when I was their training as an intelligence agent there is a

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lot of vast desert space. The thrust of what the president is saying is

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that the days of open borders are over, we must be able to control our

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borders and that means he's going to build a wall, at least some barrier,

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across the southern border of the US. It is going to control people

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just walking across the border either with drugs or dangerous

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situations and that is built thrust of what the President is saying.

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Technically where the bricks go, where those monitors go, that will

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be left to the Department of Homeland Security. And what about

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reimbursement, we heard President Trump saying there will be initially

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American taxpayers paying for this and then they will get reimbursed by

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the Mexicans. How is that going to work in practice, how do we know the

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Mexicans had said they're not going to pay for this, are going to say

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fine, we will do so? Well first I would say this, the Mexican

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government needs to understand it has an obligation to control its

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side of the border and prevent people who are dangerous to the

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United States from simply walking across the border. They're not doing

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that. They do nothing to protect their neighbour to the north.

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Therefore we have an obligation to the American people to protect

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ourselves up as far as how that is financially going to be handled, the

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with our Mexican labourers on trade with our Mexican labourers on trade

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issues and a variety of other issues and I'm sure there will be some

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horse trading and swapping going on to make sure the American people are

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protected as they protect themselves. I spent a lot of time in

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the last year on the borders in Europe, we had a migrant crisis for

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some time and there is evidence that fences do work. Looking at Hungary

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and Bulgaria, migrants have been directed around those countries and

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perhaps those governments would say they do work. But you will know all

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it really does is to channel people through a different direction and

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people take more risks to get to where they want to go. It happens

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but the alternative is simply not to have any kind of border control of

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any kind. No winning you -- in Europe should really be doing that.

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For the UK part of the impetus towards Brexit was to make sure they

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had control of their own borders and did not have to live in a regime

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where they had to accept anyone from within the EU willy-nilly. So

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because of the Middle East crisis and the terrorist war weary and

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internationally, there is much more of a move now for civilised

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countries to begin to force more protections on behalf of their own

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people. So fences can at least bring some control and make a focus on who

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is going where and give us a better handle on movement of people. Thank

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you. And we will of course bring pictures from the Department of

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Homeland Security word Donald Trump is currently, as soon as we get

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anything from that. Well there is speculation about the

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reopening of black sites centres. And of course Christian it comes

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at a time when the President's relationship with the intelligence

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community is already The president's feud with the US

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intelligence services began before He dismissed the need for a daily

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intelligence briefing, He attacked a report by intelligence

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agencies that said Russian hackers meddled in the US election

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with the aim of getting He wrongly accused US intelligence

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of leaking and unverified dossier that alleged the Russians had

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compromising material on him, and then in a tweet,

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he compared the same intelligence The very first day after his

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inauguration, Mr Trump went to Langley in a bid to make amends

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with the CIA. I want to say that there

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is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community

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and the CIA than Donald Trump. But even that visit

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didn't go so well. Mr Trump used the occasion to brag

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about his victory and complain about the press coverage

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of the inauguration. John Brennan, the man who led

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the CIA until resigning last week, called it a despicable

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display of self-aggrandisement. It is not unheard of for the White

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House to have a confrontational After all, sometimes a president

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might want to do something for his own political reasons that

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doesn't really work And that has caused

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inherent tensions. President Bush clashed repeatedly

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with the agency over Iraq. Once dismissing a report on the

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course of the war as just guessing. One of his most controversial

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decisions was the sanctioning of so-called black sites,

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secret overseas CIA President Obama ended

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the practice in 2009. Now according to US media, Mr Trump

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is reviewing both that decision I've been speaking to Leon Panetta

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who served as both head of the CIA and later the Defense Department

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under President Obama In 2009 as director of the CIA you

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gave the water to the agency to close the Black sites prisons. Mr

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Trump is now reportedly reviewing those black sites and enhanced

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interrogation techniques or torture, if you call it that. Do you think

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that would be good for national security in America? I think it

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would be a serious mistake to take a backward step on those issues. The

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reality is we do not really need black sites, we do not need to use

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enhanced interrogation in order to get the information that is

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required. General matters believes that, I think others in the

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intelligence business believe that. The FBI believe that. So I think it

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would be a mistake to go back to that and I think it could be

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damaging in terms of our image to the rest of the world. In an

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interview with ABC News Mr Trump appears to have said that whilst he

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was surprised that the new Defence Secretary does not think that

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enhanced interrogation techniques, torture, work, he has spoken to

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people in the intelligence community in the past 24 hours who have a

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different opinion and he's very much living it on the table. What you

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make of these differences of opinion? It is hard to know what

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exactly is going on. Within the mind of the president right now. He has

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talked about going back to torture, but I think a lot of people regard

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that as not only a violation of our values in this country but a

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violation of the constitution. So I think it would be a mistake in fact

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to even raise the possibility that we would go back to those methods.

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The reality is that we have been successful at being able to get the

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intelligence that we need in order to protect this country. We have not

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had another attack since September the 11th. We have been able to

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protect this country and do what is necessary in order to deal with

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terrorism. And we can do it not only in ways that protect our security,

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but that also protect our values. Even you yourself have the time

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suggested some of the information that America has got on planned

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terrorist activities came from these methods of interrogation. You have

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left that door open yourself, that some of these methods may work? The

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reality is that in the process of conducting some of these

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interrogations there is no question that information was produced, how

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valuable it was, how much of an impact it had, whether we could get

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from other sources, is a question. My view is when President Obama in

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his executive order said we would not continue enhanced procedures,

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that we would not engage in torture, that that was a very important step

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for this country to take. Because it was a symbol to the rest of the

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world that we're going to adhere to our values and to what we believe in

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and so I think that is the proper course for the United States to take

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it up to go back on that, to resurrect all those procedures

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again, I think would be damaging not only to our image in the world, I do

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not think it would be effective in terms of our ability to protect the

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security of our country. You raised the constitutionality of this

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process, Senator McCain said this morning that the law is the law.

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What position would this put CIA officers in potentially, if the

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president were to ask them to use these techniques? We are going back

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to a process that we went through in the period after September the 11th.

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And in order to justify what they would do, they would need to have a

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legal opinion from the Justice Department that in fact came to the

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conclusion that is doing these kinds of procedures would be

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constitutional and would be legal. If that does not happen, there's no

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way in the world that an intelligence officer is going to

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proceed with those procedures knowing that it could violate our

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law. It is just not going to happen. But you know what lawyers are like

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and presumably if you want to find a lawyer who says this is

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constitutional, President Trump would do that. It is not that simple

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to say that if you can find a lawyer in some basement who can come to

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that conclusion, that that would be sufficient for the CIA and other

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intelligence agencies to act upon. The reality is this would have to be

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an opinion that a number of lawyers at the Justice Department would have

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to agree to. The Attorney General would have to agree to. And I think

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legal scholars in this country would have to look at it and make a

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determination whether it is a valid opinion or not. So there are a lot

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of steps that would have to be taken before any of this would be put into

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action. Are you worried about the direction in which Donald Trump is

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taking the United States? I worry that the president needs to

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understand that as president of the United States he should stay focused

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on the most important issue which is protecting our country. And

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protecting our values as a country. I think it is a little dangerous

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when he starts to imply that we're going to things that we have

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recognised where wrong steps to take in the past. And to suddenly engage

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in that kind of controversy when we have to deal with threats in the

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world, we have to deal with terrorism, we have to deal with

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Russia, with China, with North Korea, with cyber attacks, there are

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a lot of threats facing the United States. It seems to me to be a huge

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waste of time to divert attention to some of this effort is talking about

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when frankly his attention ought to be devoted to how do we counter our

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adversaries in the world. Thank you very much for joining us. He said it

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would be a mistake to go back on some of the things appearing in this

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report today. And very damaging to the United States image. I would

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think a lot of people in Europe are nervous about the idea of rendition

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again and these black cop sites around the world. This is going to

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be controversial if indeed President Trump really is thinking of reviving

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either the black sites or enhanced interrogation techniques. You heard

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Mr Panetta there, and there is a big split in the administration because

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you have the new director of the CIA Mike Pompeo and the Secretary of

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they do not think torture works and they do not think torture works and

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this is the way America should go. So how is Donald Trump going to

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square those things? We are still waiting for Donald Trump to speak at

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the Department of Homeland Security. There is the audience waiting. Let's

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just talk a bit about executive orders. We spoke a lot about them in

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the past 23 days. He is finding a number of them. What can force do

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they have, are they typed typed in terms of law? -- tight. As president

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you can either get Congress to go along with you and get congressional

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approval which then becomes law, or you have the power of the pen and

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you can sign an executive order or executive action. Every president

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does this, you can see Donald Trump putting his signature on the bottom

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of an executive order. He has been doing that all week. But for a

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present the problem is an executive order is not as broad as a law

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passed by Congress and can be overturned by a future president. So

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all these executive orders that Donald Trump has signed this week

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will go into force for the duration of his presidency. If the Democrat

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is elected next, they will be reversed. And that is some

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signature! Three Trump Towers in that signature! I was looking back

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today at how many presidential orders had been ordered in the past.

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Barack Obama, 277 presidential orders, but not as many as Franklin

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Roosevelt, who issued 3721. Before we go just some pictures of Donald

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Trump randomly and the North Korean leader in Hong Kong together. Not

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really, of course. A couple of impersonators entertaining the

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crowds outside the US Consulate. Both leaders have said they would be

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open to a meeting. Not sure they would get on just quite as well as

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this. Not perhaps the picture at the White House would like anyone to see

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either. I think Donald Trump has been a very good character.

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Just a reminder that every evening after this show,

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One of us will be spending 10 or 15 minutes on Facebook Live each night

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talking about the issues we have covered.

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And today it will be me - if you want to get involved then

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Good evening. Across the South and east it has been a cold and foggy

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day. Even some grains of snow out there at the moment. But for other

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areas it was a lovely day. This is how it looked underneath the blanket

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of cloud further south and east. That is now causing an issue with

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some fog which is quite extensive. Some sunshine also for Scotland and

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Northern Ireland. Through the evening and overnight the cloud in

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the south just further north and west. And the wind is strengthening

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as it does so. So with the increased breeze especially for the north and

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west that should not be such a cold night. For many parts of Scotland

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and Northern Ireland especially towns and cities, it Frost levels

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but not in the South even with more cloud, which is unusual. So it will

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feel quite bitter and the cloud gives us some drizzle and grains of

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snow falling onto frozen surfaces and so it could be quite treacherous

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first thing in the morning on untreated roads and pavements. So

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did take extra care. So quite a grey start again for the bulk of England

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and Wales with that blanket of cloud. Hill fog for the Peak

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District and Pennines and the worlds -- the Welsh Marches. Cloudy for

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Northern Ireland. But probably some sunshine coming through. Some

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brightness in the south of the day goes on, but adding on the wind

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chill and temperatures will be feeling much lower than freezing.

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That is because we have a stronger wind. On Friday we pull in more of a

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southerly wind. There could be some snow across eastern areas initially

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and then showers of rain coming in later. But again we are going to

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start to see a bit of a change taking place through Friday. Not

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quite as cold and this area of showers denotes an area of low

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pressure which is likely to cross the whole of the UK through

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Saturday. Srebrenica some showers. So not raining all the time but some

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heavy showers around and quite cloudy. A cooler day again on

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Sunday. Welcome back to 100 Days

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with Katty Kay in Washington. President Trump says his

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administration will start building a wall on the US border with Mexico

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within months and America will be Coming up, Gun violence in Chicago -

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President Trump says he could send I think I check Donald Trump's

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twitter feed at least three There's 14 million

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others already signed up to the POTUS Twitter

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handle - why? Because it is an open window

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into what the President is thinking. And last night, the President

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was at it again. He sent out this tweet about gun

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violence in Chicago... There were 762 homicides

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last year in Chicago. President Trump seems to have

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picked up on a report in the Chicago Tribune,

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which suggest shootings are already up compared

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to the same period last year - figures disputed by

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the Chicago Police Department. It's unclear exactly

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what intervention the President is proposing, but the problems

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in the city are well known. In fact our correspondent

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Ian Pannell spent a good deal of time there last year,

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reporting on gang violence. In a moment we'll talk to him,

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but first here's clip Odile is a rapper from

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the West side, now the most He is a member of the Vice Lords

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gang, he has been in prison, and even he is shocked

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by what is happening. It is like somebody dropped off

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crazy guns in everybody's hood. It seemed like it was designed

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but I think a lot of guys need I think some of these need to get

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killed to get them out of the way. So we have been stood

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here for five minutes. I have seen two police cars,

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one ambulance go by. Suddenly we were told

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to leave the area, as Odile Hey, what just happened,

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why did we have to leave so quickly? There is like a war around,

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two gangs and that is why so many Somebody just got shot

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a couple of blocks up. What do you make of President

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Trump's tweet about sending in the fads. What would it mean, is it

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possible? You are asking me what President Trump is thinking? The

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feds are already there. The mayor of Chicago has been holding a press

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conference in the last hour and has made the point, the feds, the drug

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enforcement agency, the FBI, they are already there. He would like

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more assistance, more help and more resorts is. He is putting the ball

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back in President Trump's court saying, if you want me to deal with

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gun crime, these are the resources we need. The other alternative is,

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you send in the National Guard. The mayor made it clear, it wasn't their

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job to enforce public safety. Would the National Guard on the streets

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you were covering in Chicago, stop gun violence there? Certainly might

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limit the amount of inter-gang gun violence. They would have this day?

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They would. I have never seen so many guns in civilian hands outside

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of a war zone, many people say Chicago is. You have covered a lot

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of war zones. This would only lead to escalation. The question is, what

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is the solution, do you think? Very good question. A lot of those issues

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have been raised by President Trump in terms of education, housing and

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jobs. I met a lot of people doing two or three jobs, just to make ends

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meet. The reason there are so many drugs, guns and violence, those

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three things feed off each other. Lack of jobs, so people turn to

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other ways of making money. I was watching the film today, and one of

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the people you interviewed said the problem got worse when they took the

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gang leaders out of the picture? Yes, that is something I heard

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repeatedly. And it ties into what Katty had to say, how do you deal

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with this? If you go after the gang leaders and the gangs, it leads to

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this fracturing, you lose a sense of control, sons of the hierarchy that

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does exist, which means those larger gangs, which is something we saw in

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Mexico and their drug war. You take out the cartel, and you'll end up

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with more gangs, less control and the rules that were in force are

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diminished. But historically, the violence has been worse in Chicago,

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it is not just Chicago that has this problem. President Trump has made it

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clear this is at the forefront of his agenda. He and the mayor will

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have to do something about it. The figures last year were terrible, but

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the figures this year are even worse. Thank you, for the moment.

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Well for more on this let's speak to Maze Jackson,

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a Chicago resident and broadcaster, who's lived in one of

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You grew up in Chicago, how different is it now and why have you

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had to move out of the suburbs in the last year? Let me correct you, I

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was born in Chicago, moved to the suburbs and then came back to

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Chicago. When I came back, I decided I wanted to be part of the solution

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and not part of the brain drain. Often when black people become

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successful, we tend to move out of our neighbourhoods, depriving the

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black kids in those communities the opportunity to see examples of

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success. I decided with my wife, to move back into one of our more

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challenging neighbourhoods. I also had to face the fact I was raising a

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16-year-old daughter. As I was trying to give back and live in a

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certain community, there was a shoot out on my daughter, I wind up

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telling her to stay out later because I didn't want her to be a

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victim of the violence occurring in our neighbourhood. What does that

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mean when you are moving around your neighbourhood, do you have two plan

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where you go and which direction you take around the city? I would say,

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the people in our neighbourhood, we often, you know where to go and

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where not to go. You know certain communities to stay out of. The

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violence in Chicago is probably limited to a couple of zip codes.

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But those zip codes spill out into the city as a whole and it affects

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the complete numbers. Hello, I want to ask you about Donald Trump's

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tweet and his idea of sending in the fads, do you think the situation has

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got so bad in Chicago, but some residents were the gun violence is

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worse, they might welcome the feds coming in, what ever that means?

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There is mixed opinion. For a person like myself, I couldn't imagine

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wanting to welcome the federal government in to deal with the

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crime. But I have talked to those people in those communities, there

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is a sense of, we will take whatever resources we get to make sure we

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stop this violence that is occurring. OK, are are also people

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in Chicago who might welcome President Trump's tough stand on

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illegal immigration. I know it in Chicago there are tensions between

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African Americans and members of the Hispanic community? I think there

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are a few, particularly in the black community, are in a competition for

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resources. A lot of black Americans, even though we have talked about the

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recovery and how great things are, unemployment is growing. In Chicago

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we have the highest unemployment for black men under the age of 18. It

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seems to be a competition for resources. We are experiencing

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record violence, the mayor, when he has an opportunity to address the

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president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world,

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talks about a sanctuary city. Where is the sanctuary cities

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African-Americans who live in these cities, who are being terrorised by

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the violence? Thank you very much for joining us.

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The statistics are terrifying, more people died in Chicago than died in

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Afghanistan. It proves Chicago is a war zone and so many people dying,

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over 1000 people. We are just keeping our eye on the podium at the

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Department of Homeland Security. As soon as President Trump comes out to

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speak, we will bring it to you. In a meantime, let's look at some of the

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other developments today. Some of the other key developments

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today, Russia says it has "no illusions" that relations

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with the US will improve quickly Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said

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he had no "naive expectations" You might remember that same term

:40:44.:40:46.

was used by Obama's administration to describe their drive for closer

:40:47.:40:51.

ties between the two countries. Protesters have climbed

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a construction site crane a few Activists from Greenpeace

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unfurled a 70 foot banner The demonstrators say this

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is an "all-encompassing message" against the new President

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and his policies on the environment, The man tipped to be Donald Trump's

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ambassador to the EU, Ted Malloch, says that Britain could agree

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a "mutually beneficial" free trade But the EU has made it clear that

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Britain can't negotiate free trade deals with other countries until it

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has left the bloc. Prime Minister Theresa May

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will travel to Washington We'll speak to Ted Malloch

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tomorrow on the programme. We should know in just over a week

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what the full make up of the US Supreme Court will look like under

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President Trump. In one of his other tweets

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earlier, he wrote... "I will be making my Supreme Court

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pick on Thursday of next week. The court has had only eight

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justices since the death last year We want to show you a picture we

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have been looking at. It is a bison. It has been put out by the National

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Park service in place of pictures they put up at the weekend of the

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inauguration and those smaller crowds, which didn't please the

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White House. So they put out this message with the bison saying we

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regret the mistake and re-tweets from our account yesterday. This

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comes back to the White House reportedly cracking down on the

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communications from federal agencies, including...

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Although, the White House is saying they didn't crack down, they say the

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Department is standing by protocol. Thanks for being with us today. This

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is 100 Days on BBC News. Goodbye.

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