25/01/2017 100 Days

The President promised this would be a big day for US National security.

And good to his word, Donald Trump is pressing ahead

with plans to tighten the borders of the United States.

We're going to build a wall. We have to build a wall. And he promises

Mexico will pay for the ball eventually. There will be a payment,

it will be in perhaps the complicated form and you have to

understand what I'm doing is good for the US and also good for Mexico.

It's reported the President will also ask for a review

of the way terrorist suspects are interrogated.

We'll hear from the CIA Director who closed the black site prisons.

It would be a mistake to go back to that and could be damaging in terms

of our image to the rest of the world.

In other news, some have dismissed as a distraction but the president

He is ordering a major investigation into voter fraud,

still convinced that illegal votes affected the election result.

And gun violence in Chicago - the President says he is considering

sending in the Feds - would it help?

Hello it is Wednesday afternoon here in Washington,

Donald Trump has promised a "big day" in the reform of America's

The President is outlining changes to immigration, visa controls,

and a crack down on gun violence in Chicago.

And of course there is the promise, which he made throughout

that election campaign, to build that wall.

He's also given his first TV interview as President,

here is what he said about that Wall to ABC News...

Ultimately we will start negotiations relatively soon with

Mexico and we will be reimbursed by Mexico. So the American taxpayer

will pay for the ball first. We will be reimbursed at a later date from

whatever transaction we make from Mexico. The Mexican president said

Mexico will not pay and added it goes against their dignity as a

country and as Mexicans. He has to say that. I'm just telling you,

there will be a payment, it will be perhaps in a complicated form, and

you have to understand what I'm doing is good for the US and also

good for Mexico. We want a stable and solid Mexico. When does

construction begin. As soon as we can physically do it. Within months?

I would say within months and certainly planning is starting

immediately. Our North America editor

Jon Sopel is here. He needs to be seen to be moving on

this issue? It was the signature mark of his campaign and whichever

rally Kuwait to it was, build a wall. Then he would ask who is going

to pay and the crowd would say, Mexico. Except of course initially

it will be the US taxpayer. Possibly Mexico, maybe. Because of course the

US taxpayer is going to fund this. He is saying there will be some

payment, it will be complicated. What does any of that mean. He has

got to get going on it but quite what is going to be because during

the campaign will lead to the it would be a 20 foot high wall

stretching 2000 miles. I do not think he is quite envisaging that

corrupt part of it will be offence, part of that reinforced wall, not

quite all but it seems. Maybe that is something got used to when

dealing with Donald Trump. He starts from one position, we end up up

somewhere else. There's the issue of whether the president wants to

review the American policy on black site prisons and interrogation

techniques. Two or three hours ago I felt I was reliving an episode of

Homeland. Extraordinary rendition. Water boarding, black sites. All the

rest of it, enhanced interrogation techniques. He left it open in the

ABC interview and throughout the campaign. He said he would do

tougher stuff than water boarding. So it came to the White House

briefing, which ended 30 minutes ago and the President's spokesman Sean

Spicer was asked about it. Can you shed light on the draft memo going

around about interrogation practices. It is not the White House

document. Those who have reported on it, I think this is the second day

we had a document that was not a White House document reported on as

a factual document. I have no idea where it came from. But it is not a

White House document. Does that clear it up? I would have thought if

it was complete baloney, he would have had huge joy in saying it is

complete baloney. Instead of which he said it is not a White House

document, to my knowledge the president has not seen it. So I

think there is an area of ambiguity is still in there somewhere. It

clearly is not about to be an executive order that is going to be

signed tomorrow. But if you read the document there has been a lot of

careful work gone into drafting it, what it would mean, what it would

not mean, changes to the army manual. So perhaps it is something

on the back burner but not the full force, White House document,

publication tomorrow or the day after. Yesterday we spoke about

special advisers Stephen Bannon who of course was critical of the Obama

attitude towards tackling terror. But we heard from the Defence

Secretary James Mathis who has a more relaxed view on this. So is

there going to be tension? I think there is tension between the

populists and the old guard, I think there are tensions between radicals

and more traditionally conservative elements. James Mathis the Defence

Secretary thought he had convinced Donald Trump that actually the whole

issue of torture, forget the human rights aspect of it, he says it is

simply not working. Much better to give someone you are interrogating a

couple of beers and the cigarette than to start trying to water board

them and hope you will get information that way. So it seems

there is a tension within the administration, but not a White

House document according to Sean Spicer. And has been more news,

about the voter fraud issue. President Trump tweeting again about

this issue. We spoke of it yesterday. Is it now becoming a

political tool with which the president and the Supreme Court will

be able to look at voting rights issues in America? That is leaping a

lot of logical steps down the way but not unreasonable. Let's hear

what the critical voices are saying. It is simple, he is the thin skinned

narcissist and cannot accept that he lost the popular vote to Hillary

Clinton, all driven by that. But other people, what happens if there

is a review and it does not come up with the conclusion saying there was

voter fraud but there is to eliminate any perception that there

is voter fraud, in future elections there should be people having to

produce identity before they are able to vote. That could have the

effect of suppressing voter turnout especially amongst poor

African-American communities, who are most likely to vote Democrat.

That story is dominating American media this morning. Let's get

reaction from former Republican governor of Virginia Jim Gilmore.

You trained on the Arizona border before you went to work in US

intelligence in Europe. Do you think it is actually possible to build

this wall, 1900 miles long, along the US, Mexican border? It is pretty

long and when I was their training as an intelligence agent there is a

lot of vast desert space. The thrust of what the president is saying is

that the days of open borders are over, we must be able to control our

borders and that means he's going to build a wall, at least some barrier,

across the southern border of the US. It is going to control people

just walking across the border either with drugs or dangerous

situations and that is built thrust of what the President is saying.

Technically where the bricks go, where those monitors go, that will

be left to the Department of Homeland Security. And what about

reimbursement, we heard President Trump saying there will be initially

American taxpayers paying for this and then they will get reimbursed by

the Mexicans. How is that going to work in practice, how do we know the

Mexicans had said they're not going to pay for this, are going to say

fine, we will do so? Well first I would say this, the Mexican

government needs to understand it has an obligation to control its

side of the border and prevent people who are dangerous to the

United States from simply walking across the border. They're not doing

that. They do nothing to protect their neighbour to the north.

Therefore we have an obligation to the American people to protect

ourselves up as far as how that is financially going to be handled, the

with our Mexican labourers on trade with our Mexican labourers on trade

issues and a variety of other issues and I'm sure there will be some

horse trading and swapping going on to make sure the American people are

protected as they protect themselves. I spent a lot of time in

the last year on the borders in Europe, we had a migrant crisis for

some time and there is evidence that fences do work. Looking at Hungary

and Bulgaria, migrants have been directed around those countries and

perhaps those governments would say they do work. But you will know all

it really does is to channel people through a different direction and

people take more risks to get to where they want to go. It happens

but the alternative is simply not to have any kind of border control of

any kind. No winning you -- in Europe should really be doing that.

For the UK part of the impetus towards Brexit was to make sure they

had control of their own borders and did not have to live in a regime

where they had to accept anyone from within the EU willy-nilly. So

because of the Middle East crisis and the terrorist war weary and

internationally, there is much more of a move now for civilised

countries to begin to force more protections on behalf of their own

people. So fences can at least bring some control and make a focus on who

is going where and give us a better handle on movement of people. Thank

you. And we will of course bring pictures from the Department of

Homeland Security word Donald Trump is currently, as soon as we get

anything from that. Well there is speculation about the

reopening of black sites centres. And of course Christian it comes

at a time when the President's relationship with the intelligence

community is already The president's feud with the US

intelligence services began before He dismissed the need for a daily

intelligence briefing, He attacked a report by intelligence

agencies that said Russian hackers meddled in the US election

with the aim of getting He wrongly accused US intelligence

of leaking and unverified dossier that alleged the Russians had

compromising material on him, and then in a tweet,

he compared the same intelligence The very first day after his

inauguration, Mr Trump went to Langley in a bid to make amends

with the CIA. I want to say that there

is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community

and the CIA than Donald Trump. But even that visit

didn't go so well. Mr Trump used the occasion to brag

about his victory and complain about the press coverage

of the inauguration. John Brennan, the man who led

the CIA until resigning last week, called it a despicable

display of self-aggrandisement. It is not unheard of for the White

House to have a confrontational After all, sometimes a president

might want to do something for his own political reasons that

doesn't really work And that has caused

inherent tensions. President Bush clashed repeatedly

with the agency over Iraq. Once dismissing a report on the

course of the war as just guessing. One of his most controversial

decisions was the sanctioning of so-called black sites,

secret overseas CIA President Obama ended

the practice in 2009. Now according to US media, Mr Trump

is reviewing both that decision I've been speaking to Leon Panetta

who served as both head of the CIA and later the Defense Department

under President Obama In 2009 as director of the CIA you

gave the water to the agency to close the Black sites prisons. Mr

Trump is now reportedly reviewing those black sites and enhanced

interrogation techniques or torture, if you call it that. Do you think

that would be good for national security in America? I think it

would be a serious mistake to take a backward step on those issues. The

reality is we do not really need black sites, we do not need to use

enhanced interrogation in order to get the information that is

required. General matters believes that, I think others in the

intelligence business believe that. The FBI believe that. So I think it

would be a mistake to go back to that and I think it could be

damaging in terms of our image to the rest of the world. In an

interview with ABC News Mr Trump appears to have said that whilst he

was surprised that the new Defence Secretary does not think that

enhanced interrogation techniques, torture, work, he has spoken to

people in the intelligence community in the past 24 hours who have a

different opinion and he's very much living it on the table. What you

make of these differences of opinion? It is hard to know what

exactly is going on. Within the mind of the president right now. He has

talked about going back to torture, but I think a lot of people regard

that as not only a violation of our values in this country but a

violation of the constitution. So I think it would be a mistake in fact

to even raise the possibility that we would go back to those methods.

The reality is that we have been successful at being able to get the

intelligence that we need in order to protect this country. We have not

had another attack since September the 11th. We have been able to

protect this country and do what is necessary in order to deal with

terrorism. And we can do it not only in ways that protect our security,

but that also protect our values. Even you yourself have the time

suggested some of the information that America has got on planned

terrorist activities came from these methods of interrogation. You have

left that door open yourself, that some of these methods may work? The

reality is that in the process of conducting some of these

interrogations there is no question that information was produced, how

valuable it was, how much of an impact it had, whether we could get

from other sources, is a question. My view is when President Obama in

his executive order said we would not continue enhanced procedures,

that we would not engage in torture, that that was a very important step

for this country to take. Because it was a symbol to the rest of the

world that we're going to adhere to our values and to what we believe in

and so I think that is the proper course for the United States to take

it up to go back on that, to resurrect all those procedures

again, I think would be damaging not only to our image in the world, I do

not think it would be effective in terms of our ability to protect the

security of our country. You raised the constitutionality of this

process, Senator McCain said this morning that the law is the law.

What position would this put CIA officers in potentially, if the

president were to ask them to use these techniques? We are going back

to a process that we went through in the period after September the 11th.

And in order to justify what they would do, they would need to have a

legal opinion from the Justice Department that in fact came to the

conclusion that is doing these kinds of procedures would be

constitutional and would be legal. If that does not happen, there's no

way in the world that an intelligence officer is going to

proceed with those procedures knowing that it could violate our

law. It is just not going to happen. But you know what lawyers are like

and presumably if you want to find a lawyer who says this is

constitutional, President Trump would do that. It is not that simple

to say that if you can find a lawyer in some basement who can come to

that conclusion, that that would be sufficient for the CIA and other

intelligence agencies to act upon. The reality is this would have to be

an opinion that a number of lawyers at the Justice Department would have

to agree to. The Attorney General would have to agree to. And I think

legal scholars in this country would have to look at it and make a

determination whether it is a valid opinion or not. So there are a lot

of steps that would have to be taken before any of this would be put into

action. Are you worried about the direction in which Donald Trump is

taking the United States? I worry that the president needs to

understand that as president of the United States he should stay focused

on the most important issue which is protecting our country. And

protecting our values as a country. I think it is a little dangerous

when he starts to imply that we're going to things that we have

recognised where wrong steps to take in the past. And to suddenly engage

in that kind of controversy when we have to deal with threats in the

world, we have to deal with terrorism, we have to deal with

Russia, with China, with North Korea, with cyber attacks, there are

a lot of threats facing the United States. It seems to me to be a huge

waste of time to divert attention to some of this effort is talking about

when frankly his attention ought to be devoted to how do we counter our

adversaries in the world. Thank you very much for joining us. He said it

would be a mistake to go back on some of the things appearing in this

report today. And very damaging to the United States image. I would

think a lot of people in Europe are nervous about the idea of rendition

again and these black cop sites around the world. This is going to

be controversial if indeed President Trump really is thinking of reviving

either the black sites or enhanced interrogation techniques. You heard

Mr Panetta there, and there is a big split in the administration because

you have the new director of the CIA Mike Pompeo and the Secretary of

they do not think torture works and they do not think torture works and

this is the way America should go. So how is Donald Trump going to

square those things? We are still waiting for Donald Trump to speak at

the Department of Homeland Security. There is the audience waiting. Let's

just talk a bit about executive orders. We spoke a lot about them in

the past 23 days. He is finding a number of them. What can force do

they have, are they typed typed in terms of law? -- tight. As president

you can either get Congress to go along with you and get congressional

approval which then becomes law, or you have the power of the pen and

you can sign an executive order or executive action. Every president

does this, you can see Donald Trump putting his signature on the bottom

of an executive order. He has been doing that all week. But for a

present the problem is an executive order is not as broad as a law

passed by Congress and can be overturned by a future president. So

all these executive orders that Donald Trump has signed this week

will go into force for the duration of his presidency. If the Democrat

is elected next, they will be reversed. And that is some

signature! Three Trump Towers in that signature! I was looking back

today at how many presidential orders had been ordered in the past.

Barack Obama, 277 presidential orders, but not as many as Franklin

Roosevelt, who issued 3721. Before we go just some pictures of Donald

Trump randomly and the North Korean leader in Hong Kong together. Not

really, of course. A couple of impersonators entertaining the

crowds outside the US Consulate. Both leaders have said they would be

open to a meeting. Not sure they would get on just quite as well as

this. Not perhaps the picture at the White House would like anyone to see

either. I think Donald Trump has been a very good character.

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Coming up, Donald Trump tweeted he will send in the feds of Chicago

does not end gun violence. And this bison is part of an internal protest

by the National Park Service. Part of its message on climate change.

That is all still to come here on BBC News.

Good evening. Across the South and east it has been a cold and foggy

day. Even some grains of snow out there at the moment. But for other

areas it was a lovely day. This is how it looked underneath the blanket

of cloud further south and east. That is now causing an issue with

some fog which is quite extensive. Some sunshine also for Scotland and

Northern Ireland. Through the evening and overnight the cloud in

the south just further north and west. And the wind is strengthening

as it does so. So with the increased breeze especially for the north and

west that should not be such a cold night. For many parts of Scotland

and Northern Ireland especially towns and cities, it Frost levels

but not in the South even with more cloud, which is unusual. So it will

feel quite bitter and the cloud gives us some drizzle and grains of

snow falling onto frozen surfaces and so it could be quite treacherous

first thing in the morning on untreated roads and pavements. So

did take extra care. So quite a grey start again for the bulk of England

and Wales with that blanket of cloud. Hill fog for the Peak

District and Pennines and the worlds -- the Welsh Marches. Cloudy for

Northern Ireland. But probably some sunshine coming through. Some

brightness in the south of the day goes on, but adding on the wind

chill and temperatures will be feeling much lower than freezing.

That is because we have a stronger wind. On Friday we pull in more of a

southerly wind. There could be some snow across eastern areas initially

and then showers of rain coming in later. But again we are going to

start to see a bit of a change taking place through Friday. Not

quite as cold and this area of showers denotes an area of low

pressure which is likely to cross the whole of the UK through

Saturday. Srebrenica some showers. So not raining all the time but some

heavy showers around and quite cloudy. A cooler day again on

Sunday. Welcome back to 100 Days

with Katty Kay in Washington. President Trump says his

administration will start building a wall on the US border with Mexico

within months and America will be Coming up, Gun violence in Chicago -

President Trump says he could send I think I check Donald Trump's

twitter feed at least three There's 14 million

others already signed up to the POTUS Twitter

handle - why? Because it is an open window

into what the President is thinking. And last night, the President

was at it again. He sent out this tweet about gun

violence in Chicago... There were 762 homicides

last year in Chicago. President Trump seems to have

picked up on a report in the Chicago Tribune,

which suggest shootings are already up compared

to the same period last year - figures disputed by

the Chicago Police Department. It's unclear exactly

what intervention the President is proposing, but the problems

in the city are well known. In fact our correspondent

Ian Pannell spent a good deal of time there last year,

reporting on gang violence. In a moment we'll talk to him,

but first here's clip Odile is a rapper from

the West side, now the most He is a member of the Vice Lords

gang, he has been in prison, and even he is shocked

by what is happening. It is like somebody dropped off

crazy guns in everybody's hood. It seemed like it was designed

but I think a lot of guys need I think some of these need to get

killed to get them out of the way. So we have been stood

here for five minutes. I have seen two police cars,

one ambulance go by. Suddenly we were told

to leave the area, as Odile Hey, what just happened,

why did we have to leave so quickly? There is like a war around,

two gangs and that is why so many Somebody just got shot

a couple of blocks up. What do you make of President

Trump's tweet about sending in the fads. What would it mean, is it

possible? You are asking me what President Trump is thinking? The

feds are already there. The mayor of Chicago has been holding a press

conference in the last hour and has made the point, the feds, the drug

enforcement agency, the FBI, they are already there. He would like

more assistance, more help and more resorts is. He is putting the ball

back in President Trump's court saying, if you want me to deal with

gun crime, these are the resources we need. The other alternative is,

you send in the National Guard. The mayor made it clear, it wasn't their

job to enforce public safety. Would the National Guard on the streets

you were covering in Chicago, stop gun violence there? Certainly might

limit the amount of inter-gang gun violence. They would have this day?

They would. I have never seen so many guns in civilian hands outside

of a war zone, many people say Chicago is. You have covered a lot

of war zones. This would only lead to escalation. The question is, what

is the solution, do you think? Very good question. A lot of those issues

have been raised by President Trump in terms of education, housing and

jobs. I met a lot of people doing two or three jobs, just to make ends

meet. The reason there are so many drugs, guns and violence, those

three things feed off each other. Lack of jobs, so people turn to

other ways of making money. I was watching the film today, and one of

the people you interviewed said the problem got worse when they took the

gang leaders out of the picture? Yes, that is something I heard

repeatedly. And it ties into what Katty had to say, how do you deal

with this? If you go after the gang leaders and the gangs, it leads to

this fracturing, you lose a sense of control, sons of the hierarchy that

does exist, which means those larger gangs, which is something we saw in

Mexico and their drug war. You take out the cartel, and you'll end up

with more gangs, less control and the rules that were in force are

diminished. But historically, the violence has been worse in Chicago,

it is not just Chicago that has this problem. President Trump has made it

clear this is at the forefront of his agenda. He and the mayor will

have to do something about it. The figures last year were terrible, but

the figures this year are even worse. Thank you, for the moment.

Well for more on this let's speak to Maze Jackson,

a Chicago resident and broadcaster, who's lived in one of

You grew up in Chicago, how different is it now and why have you

had to move out of the suburbs in the last year? Let me correct you, I

was born in Chicago, moved to the suburbs and then came back to

Chicago. When I came back, I decided I wanted to be part of the solution

and not part of the brain drain. Often when black people become

successful, we tend to move out of our neighbourhoods, depriving the

black kids in those communities the opportunity to see examples of

success. I decided with my wife, to move back into one of our more

challenging neighbourhoods. I also had to face the fact I was raising a

16-year-old daughter. As I was trying to give back and live in a

certain community, there was a shoot out on my daughter, I wind up

telling her to stay out later because I didn't want her to be a

victim of the violence occurring in our neighbourhood. What does that

mean when you are moving around your neighbourhood, do you have two plan

where you go and which direction you take around the city? I would say,

the people in our neighbourhood, we often, you know where to go and

where not to go. You know certain communities to stay out of. The

violence in Chicago is probably limited to a couple of zip codes.

But those zip codes spill out into the city as a whole and it affects

the complete numbers. Hello, I want to ask you about Donald Trump's

tweet and his idea of sending in the fads, do you think the situation has

got so bad in Chicago, but some residents were the gun violence is

worse, they might welcome the feds coming in, what ever that means?

There is mixed opinion. For a person like myself, I couldn't imagine

wanting to welcome the federal government in to deal with the

crime. But I have talked to those people in those communities, there

is a sense of, we will take whatever resources we get to make sure we

stop this violence that is occurring. OK, are are also people

in Chicago who might welcome President Trump's tough stand on

illegal immigration. I know it in Chicago there are tensions between

African Americans and members of the Hispanic community? I think there

are a few, particularly in the black community, are in a competition for

resources. A lot of black Americans, even though we have talked about the

recovery and how great things are, unemployment is growing. In Chicago

we have the highest unemployment for black men under the age of 18. It

seems to be a competition for resources. We are experiencing

record violence, the mayor, when he has an opportunity to address the

president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world,

talks about a sanctuary city. Where is the sanctuary cities

African-Americans who live in these cities, who are being terrorised by

the violence? Thank you very much for joining us.

The statistics are terrifying, more people died in Chicago than died in

Afghanistan. It proves Chicago is a war zone and so many people dying,

over 1000 people. We are just keeping our eye on the podium at the

Department of Homeland Security. As soon as President Trump comes out to

speak, we will bring it to you. In a meantime, let's look at some of the

other developments today. Some of the other key developments

today, Russia says it has "no illusions" that relations

with the US will improve quickly Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said

he had no "naive expectations" You might remember that same term

was used by Obama's administration to describe their drive for closer

ties between the two countries. Protesters have climbed

a construction site crane a few Activists from Greenpeace

unfurled a 70 foot banner The demonstrators say this

is an "all-encompassing message" against the new President

and his policies on the environment, The man tipped to be Donald Trump's

ambassador to the EU, Ted Malloch, says that Britain could agree

a "mutually beneficial" free trade But the EU has made it clear that

Britain can't negotiate free trade deals with other countries until it

has left the bloc. Prime Minister Theresa May

will travel to Washington We'll speak to Ted Malloch

tomorrow on the programme. We should know in just over a week

what the full make up of the US Supreme Court will look like under

President Trump. In one of his other tweets

earlier, he wrote... "I will be making my Supreme Court

pick on Thursday of next week. The court has had only eight

justices since the death last year We want to show you a picture we

have been looking at. It is a bison. It has been put out by the National

Park service in place of pictures they put up at the weekend of the

inauguration and those smaller crowds, which didn't please the

White House. So they put out this message with the bison saying we

regret the mistake and re-tweets from our account yesterday. This

comes back to the White House reportedly cracking down on the

communications from federal agencies, including...

Although, the White House is saying they didn't crack down, they say the

Department is standing by protocol. Thanks for being with us today. This

is 100 Days on BBC News. Goodbye.