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us be ruled by common sense and pragmatism rather than emotion. Dear

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colleagues this concludes our press conference, thank you very much.

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We've been listening to a press conference between Sergei Lavrov the

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Russian Foreign Minister and Rex Tillerson the US Secretary of State.

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The press conference went on by my reckoning for about 50 minutes,

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partly because Sergei Lavrov gives long answers but also a reflection

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of the fact they have an enormous amount to discuss. They talked about

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Syria of course, the future of Assad, Rex Tillerson said it was the

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American dude that the reign of Assad is coming to an end. Sergei

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Lavrov talked also about Ukraine, they touched on the Russian

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elections. And cyber security, Rex Tillerson saying it is possible that

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Assad could face war crimes, Sergei Lavrov also said he thought there

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were considerable prospects for peace and that the distance between

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the two countries was not so big that it could not be overcome. So a

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huge amount for them to talk about, clearly having come out of almost

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four hours meeting, then another two are meeting with President Putin,

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touching on all the complexities of the relationship and Sergei Lavrov

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living a long lecture at one point on history to his American

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counterpart saying we must learn the lessons of Yugoslavia, Iraq and

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Libya and we must be careful what we wish for in Syria. Let's get more

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from our correspondent in Moscow. The two things you could take from

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this that matter in the immediate term, this idea from Sergei Lavrov

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but they are prepared to restore the SFT agreement which of course is

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crucial over Syria so there are no accidents. And he says there is a

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readiness of US colleagues to support an investigation into this

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searing gas attack. This evening in the UN Security Council there is a

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boat on a draft resolution for an investigation into the chemical

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attacks. The question is will Russia support it.

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As far as I heard comments by the Russian representatives, they are

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not satisfied with the proposal made. This reminds me of the

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situation with the Boeing flight that was shot down over eastern

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Ukraine, the West accused Russia of putting their air jet down and Bosco

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just called for an independent investigation and this was going

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back and forth for months. This might be the case again. Russia

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would call for an investigation and it would go back and forth for

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months. What is obvious is that Moscow is very interested in

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dialogue with Washington and is interested in cooperation because it

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has invested so much in the Syrian campaign. But they need to find

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common language with Washington. Read the tea leaves for us with that

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press conference. You have listened to Sergey Lavrov many times. Is the

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Kremlin feeling under siege in the light of the attacks in Syria or is

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that not what you heard from the press conference? Definitely, the

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Kremlin is under pressure because of the chemical attacks and what has

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been mentioned by Washington. But Vladimir Putin never steps back

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under pressure, never surrenders. What they often do is issue counter

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offence. They always come with counter arguments and accusations

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and that is what Mr Putin did. What was interesting for me was the

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contrast between statements made by Putin and his harsh language

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accusing Washington and statements made by the Russian Foreign

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Ministry. Sergey Lavrov was quite soft saying there were quite a lot

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of things called common ground that can repair the relationship and it

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seems that the Kremlin is playing the game of good and bad policeman

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trying to attract Washington for further cooperation because

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definitely there are a number of issues that they want to solve.

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Thank you very much for joining us. Joining us now for more

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on Secretary Tillerson's trip is Matthew Rojansky,

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Director of the Kennan Institute On the issue of Syria and the future

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of the Assad regime, where does Moscow stand at the moment? It was

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fascinating listening. And endurance sport for all of us, especially for

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Rex Tillerson. People ask what the relevance of his experience in

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negotiating with the Russians was, you saw it there. He said what he

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wanted to say, didn't talk about anything he didn't want to talk

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about even as Sergey Lavrov went on about other things that he didn't

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want to talk about. I thought he handled himself very well and stuck

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to his talking points. I don't think the Russian position on Syria has

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changed one inch. This thing about a UN investigation is a play for time.

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They've got a problem with Assad. Russians have no love for this guy

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Bashar al-Assad but on the other hand, as soon is they say, he's got

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to go, where is their leveraged? They are playing for time. Why don't

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they make him behave better? I'm not sure they can. I think the

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collective Russian frustration has been, we deal with autocrats all

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around the world. This is part of reality. Why are you such a bloody

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minded one who despite that can't win the war, why are you making it

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so hard? They have played a week and relatively well, it has got

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attention off Ukraine which is a good thing for them. It has brought

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the United States to the table whereas the message under President

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Obama was isolation. At the end of the day, this is a big problem for

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the Russians, more of a liability than a benefit. Part of the strategy

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that seems to be coming out from the White House is that you are in a

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cul-de-sac, a club of Iran, Syria, North Korea. We are offering you a

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way out or you can go back into isolation. A meeting with Putin that

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lasted two hours, that's pretty positive, isn't it? I read from the

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fact that it was strangely concealed, although the Russian

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press was reporting it for 24 hours before it happened although it was

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never formally confirmed. This quite substantial meeting and press

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conference, I think it is a gear up to a trompe- Putin summit. That is

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where business is going to get done. In the Russian system, all ears perk

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up, what is Vladimir Putin's position? When he comments publicly

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about where the relationship is going, that is when the Russian

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bureaucracy gets into gear. There is a longer list of issues than Syria.

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Syria is a tragedy that can remain unresolved. There is cyber, nuclear,

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Ukraine and security. Then there are these incidents in the Baltic and

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the Black Sea, the eastern Mediterranean that literally risked

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starting world War three. Non-magic -- not negligible issues that need

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sorting out. It was interest during that conversation, Sergey Lavrov and

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Rex Tillerson, another issue on top of what was mentioned was the issue

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of the American election. There was an example of Rex Tillerson's

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discipline. He really stuck to the minimum when asked about it. He said

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it was a serious issue and could merit further sanctions but didn't

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want to talk about it. You have a Texan in Rex Tillerson, the body

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language, you could see it in the handshake, it needs a bit of work.

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They are not very close at the moment. You would have that with

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President Putin. They are big strongmen. Texan testosterone

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against Moscow Machan. They are going to get a marriage guidance

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counsellor in, setting up a working group to try and deal with all of

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these issues. America has a problem with stuffing in the State

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Department, they have to find the staff because this needs to be

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fixed. Sergey Lavrov is a wily fox. In the opening remarks he had a dig

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at Rex Tillerson. He said there is confusion in the relationship but

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that is because you have got no staff. That has been a criticism of

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the Secretary of State, he doesn't have any staff at the State

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Department. Interesting games go on in the background. We have got to

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get other news from around the world. A lot going on. A football

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match in Germany. It shouldn't be

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remarkable but it is. The rescheduled Champions League

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quarter final between Borussia Dortmund and Monaco follows

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an attack on the German team. Monaco won that match 3-2, by the

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way. We brought you news last night that

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Dortmund's team bus had been The prosecutor said today that metal

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strips were put in the devices. The precise motive for the attack

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is still not clear but police are We've been speaking

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to our correspondent, Not an awful lot of detail from the

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police but they are focusing on these mysterious letters. They are.

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Prosecutors say that they found three letters at the site of last

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night's explosions. Base a the contents of those letters point to a

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potential Islamist terror motive for the attacks. They are being

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examined, they say, by Islamic experts. Letters are said have

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contained a man's that German Tornado fighters are withdrawn from

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Syria and that Germany closes its army base at Ramstein. A twist to

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the investigation at this point but these letters appear to be the focus

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of the investigation at the moment. The reaction from the town. It's

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been fairly impressive. The team is resilient, playing their match.

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Stories of fans from the opposing team buying each other drinks.

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Sounds like a town that hasn't given into the attacks. Absolutely. People

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would say that this is the spirit of football. Germany's national game.

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Away fans were put up by many of their rival fans in a display of

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solidarity. Speaking to people before the match began, a real sense

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that no one wants to be cowed ideas attack. It looks like a deliberate

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targeting of the Dortmund team. No one wants to give into that kind of

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terror is what people are saying to us. One man was alongside his young

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son, eating their sausages on the way in, they said Ford Paul is

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stronger than -- football is stronger than terror. They speak for

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many. Does it get any better? Sadly for Dortmund, it didn't go too well.

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They lost 3-2. Quite an exciting finale with two late goals but they

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go into the second leg losing. Not surprising given what they've been

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through over the last few days. It should serve as a warning

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to anyone in the public eye. Never compare the actions

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of Hitler or the terror The White House Press

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Secretary Sean Spicer, got himself into an awful mess

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yesterday, with this We didn't use chemical weapons in

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World War II. You have somebody as despicable as Hitler who didn't even

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sing to using chemical weapons. You have too, if you are sure, is this

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country and a regime that you want to yourself with?

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And during the Jewish festival of passover.

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What is worse is that in his immediate clarification

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which he was asked for at the same briefing, he walked

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When you come to sarin gas, he wasn't using it on his own people in

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the same way as Assad is doing. I appreciate that. He brought them

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into the Holocaust centres, I understand that, I saying the weight

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Assad used them, in towns, dropping them in the middle of towns, the use

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of it, I appreciate the clarification. That was not the

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intent. Sean Spicer who have not learnt that when you are in a hole

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stop digging. A written apology was later issued

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by the White House but such was the reaction on Social media -

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the Anne Frank Centre called it an "evil slur" -

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that Spicer, was sent out to make a full apology on the

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evening bulletins. He has been speaking again today

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at a news forum in Washington. I made a mistake. There is no other

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way to say it. Got into a topic that I shouldn't have and I screwed up.

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It is painful to myself to know that I did something like that. It was

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not my intention. To know that when you screw up, you offend a lot of

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people, I would ask for forgiveness to understand that I should not have

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tried to make a comparison. There is no comparing atrocities. A pretty

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good apology. United airlines could probably learn a lesson from that.

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There are perils. His is not a job for the faint-hearted. He has to

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stand there defending the president. That's not easy because sometimes

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the president says things without evidence to back it up and he has

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two supporting. You just can't get away with a comment like that, can

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you? I think the way he came out and apologised from this White House and

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president who doesn't like climbing down. It made me think he had the

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direction of the president and the Oval office behind him. I saw a

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tweet you sent out last night about the relationship between the

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president and Steve Bannon. He is irked by the idea that it is

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President Bannon and he is the fall guy tagging along. Can we show what

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is said in the New York Post? As far as I'm aware, tell me if I'm

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right, Steve Bannon won it for him at the end, didn't he? He was the

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campaign chairman. If your editors ever say to you, I like you but,

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listen to the butt bit of the conversation. Never a good sign. My

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bet is the but bit is more important at the moment. Steve Bannon not an

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very solid ground. For the past few months we have been

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telling you the French election is a two horse,

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possibly a three horse race. The centrist Emmanuel Macron,

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and the Front National's Marine Le Pen lead the polls,

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with the right wing And suddenly Jean Luc Melenchon,

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of the hard left, is in the frame. For most of the campaign he had been

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dismissed as a distant no-hoper but according to these latest polls

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he has surged into the top four, and is now just a few points

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behind the leaders. His movement is La France

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insoumise, which translates He came fourth in 2012

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behind Marine Le Pen. This time around he is calling for

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a non violent citizens revolution. He is supported by the communists

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so none too surprisingly He wants 100% taxation

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for the super rich. Far from getting rid

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of the 35 hour week, he would go further and introduce

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a 32 hour week. And he pledges to get rid

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of homelessness in France. So could we really be contemplating

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a second round run-off between the Far Right and

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the Far Left. Let's cross to Paris,

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and speak to the commentator Is it going to be Melenchon against

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Marine Le Pen? It is the stuff of nightmares for most of us but it is

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one of the many ways this could play out. It is what they used to say

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about Hollywood, nobody knows anything. Melenchon is practically

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at the same level as Fillon. He has gained six points in one week. He

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has left behind him the theme or mealy-mouthed official Socialist

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candidate. He is coming from the far left. He is garnering a number of

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people who want basically to stick it to the man. The same voters who

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would vote for Marine Le Pen. The voters who voted for Trump. The

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voters who voted for Brexit. He is an extremely good speaker. He is a

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former literature teacher, about 16 centuries ago, a Socialist senators

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in the 80s and 90s. He has firmly positioned himself in the space left

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vacant by the French Communist Party when the USSR disappeared. He

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suddenly sounds new and interesting and different from the others. Some

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years ago, I spent a day with him in the Calais region. Marine Le Pen was

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in the same market as him. I noticed that when it comes to economics,

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they stand next to each other. That is the great truth of the populist

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leaders everywhere and the extreme right and left, many of the stances

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are exactly the same. He supports saying nobody knows whether Syria

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used gas against its own population. She does the same. They both want to

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get out of Europe. They appealed to the same abroad type of voters.

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Especially, if you are in the northern city where she almost got

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elected as an MP, in the northern region that she almost won in the

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last regional election, that is the French rust belt. People who used to

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vote socialist, suddenly they find themselves abandoned and want

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extremes. The one area on which they are very diverted, these two

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candidates, Melenchon and Marine Le Pen is the issue of immigration. We

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saw Melenchon giving a memorial on the banks of the Mediterranean for

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the refugees who try to make it to Europe. How did the voters torn

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between the two lean on that one? It's really a question of

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ideological and muscle memory of many of the popular voters. The

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South East voters of the National front are against immigration and

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will never vote for Melenchon. In the north, people remember belonging

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to something different and something might carry over. His attitude to

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immigration is give everybody papers. Until now, people did not

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think he was so in with many chances so they didn't pay attention to his

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manifesto. Now, all of the big guns are against him. Among the things

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that are problematic is taxation going up and public spending going

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up to the tune of 270 billion euros. We will have to leave it there. Only

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11 days to go till the election. I think he's the oldest candidate in

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the race but he is the most savvy on social media. In the last few days,

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a video game has popped up. It's called fiscal combat. Here is the

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character. A little graphic of Jean-Luc Melenchon.

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I'm guessing those guys in ties of the super-rich, he shakes them down

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for taxes and you get bonus points. That's how to win an election

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campaign. Bring out a video game. We will be there next week, we will

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find out. Well it's day 83 of the Trump

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administration and on this programme we like to check in with those

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who voted for him to get A few weeks ago we spoke

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with Van Mobley - the Village president of Thiensville,

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Wisconsin and today he's back to give us his opinion

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on recent events. I wanted to ask you what you made of

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the President's strike against Syria? I wasn't keen on it and I

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would have advised against it. Why? The way he ran on avoiding

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entanglements in the middle east and interminable civil wars, I see

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this... My heart goes out to the people suffering in Syria but I

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don't know that ending in American missile strikes is going to make

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them better and it certainly might make our lives worse. Moving on from

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that, what's done is done and I was actually encouraged by the press

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conference today between Rex Tillerson and Sergey Lavrov. They

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focused on the things that Russia and the US need to cooperate on.

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There are disagreements, there always have been and always will be

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that the United States and Russia often were able to cooperate to keep

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a marginal amount of peace in the world. I think we will again. This

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idea that Donald Trump has been spreading that he had to go in

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because Assad is a monster and he couldn't sanction the fact that gas

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was dropped among civilians. That doesn't resonate with you at all.

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That was something that he couldn't have seen coming when he was

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campaigning. It doesn't resonate with me but he said it and I do feel

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the pain for those people. I am not a callous figure, I'm a village

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president but I'm also, I would say, in this case, I would have advised

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against it. What's done is done and I think often these things do create

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good to come of it and I certainly hope it will in this case and I'm

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hopeful. How would you like to see America's role in the world under

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President Trump? I think that the United States has been a force for

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good in the world and I believe that it should we and can continue to be

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that. Should continue to be that. We have too much of means with the ends

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and certainly the priority in Syria from the American standpoint and I

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certainly speak with what Rex Tillerson and President said have

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said, Isis is the priority, at least in my view. We should get rid of

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Isis and then deal with other things. I don't have the

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intelligence. I hope you will come and join as again. So interesting to

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get your update on how President Trump is doing. Fascinating to hear

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what President Trump supporters, as he was saying there, voted for him

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after he campaigned on bringing America back from global

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engagements. This is the point that Steve Bannon was making, this is not

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what they voted. Stop they voted America first. Bannon was opposed to

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the strike on Syria and many of those that he brought to the

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campaign late in the day agreed with him.

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So, we have had one apology from Sean Spicer.

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We have had another from United Airlines.

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48 hours after a passenger was dragged from an overbooked

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flight CEO Oscar Munoz has decided to "clarify" what he actually meant.

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Yes, on case you were in any doubt - the second apology -

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confirms this is not the way to de-plane, re-accomodate, replace

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with one of your own crew members, a passenger who has paid

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He was super apologetic this time around and said it was all his

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fault, all the company's fault and not love the fault of the poor

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passenger. He said it too late. If you ever tried apologising to your

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wife, do it fast. Thank you for watching. You've been

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watching 100 days. Thank you for joining us. Goodbye.

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Quite a fresh day. They few showers as well. This is what

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