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Across the region, other families are still awaiting news

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Among them, 15-year-old Olivia Campbell from Ramsbottom.

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Alison Howe and Lisa Lees, two mums from Royton who'd gone

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to pick up their children from the arena.

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And 29-year-old Martin Hett from Stockport.

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His family's been unable to contact him since the concert.

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Anyone worried a relative could have been caught up in the attack should

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call Greater Manchester Police on 0800 096 0095.

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The full horror of the atrocity became apparent around

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Thousands of Ariana Granda fans pouring out of the Arena.

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Jubilation from the concert turned to devastation at the doorway.

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It was a scene of panic and confusion, death and horror

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One of the first reporters there was Clare Fallon -

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17,000 people inside the arena, from the details we have been given, it

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seems like this was an attack that was designed to cause maximum

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devastation, designed to kill as many people as possible and I say

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that because of the timing. This man didn't make it into the arena

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itself, he was in the lobby, he waited for the concert to come to an

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end, for people to begin pouring out to go home. Of course, some of those

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people did not make it home because of the attack.

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Oh, my God. What's going on?

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The sound of fear filled the arena as people ran.

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And the enormity of what had happened soon became clear.

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Did you get a sense of what it was, it was an explosion?

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Yes, definitely an explosion, because there's nuts

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Yeah, there are nuts and bolts everywhere.

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So you think this was some kind of deliberate...

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Yes, of course it was. Not accidental.

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As we were coming out the door, we just heard

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And then, what, you ran? We just ran, yeah.

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With so many people hurt - some of them catastrophically -

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inside the arena and Victoria station,

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Having seen things no adult - let alone child - should ever see,

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Amelia told me she's one of the lucky ones.

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Suddenly, like, something really hot just flew over us

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and my mum and my sister and we all, like,

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22 people were killed near the entrance. Nearly 60 were injured.

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Suddenly, a massive/. Small. I had to live my wife down on the floor.

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She has had a bruise under her chin. And she has probably broken her

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femur in her left leg. Something really hot just flew over others and

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landed behind me and my mum and my sister and then we all dropped to

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the floor but then my mum told me that they were behind us so then we

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ran out but then I realised they weren't so I ran back in and shouted

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on my mum but I could not hear anything because my year was blocked

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and it was just really scary. All I could hear was screaming, people

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crying. Everyone was just running everywhere. Completely random.

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Before the night was over, the police knew they were dealing with

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an attack by a suicide bomber with a home-made explosive device, packed

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with metal fragments. It was a deliberate attack on children and

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young people. Time when parents were waiting to pick up their sons and

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daughters. During the night, specialist teams were brought in.

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400 police officers were deployed along with forensic teams. Early on,

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police appeared to know the identity of the bomber. Then, within the last

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hour, an update. I can confirm that the man suspected of carrying out

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last night's atrocity is 22-year-olds Salman Abede. However,

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he has not yet been formally named by the coroner and therefore I would

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not wish to comment further about him at this stage. And on the

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streets, survivors, reliving a concert that ended in fear and

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murder. This is Helen and Isabella. We hit the corridors when we saw

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masses of people running in absolute terror and panic to get out of the

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place. Young teenage children, 14, 15. There were mothers with

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children, carrying them on their shoulder. There were people with

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wheelchairs, panicking to get out. Laura and Isabella's concert ended a

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case -- a chaotic search for the exits. We do is run. I do not know

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where we came out of, but we just ran. Parents had to get home so they

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were very scared obviously because they were on their own. Manchester

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has been a city on edge today, shaken by alerts and rumours and a

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shopping centre evacuated. It is now beyond doubt that the people of

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Manchester and this country have followed victim to a callous

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terrorist attack. An attack that targeted some of the youngest people

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in our society with cold calculation. This was among the

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worst terrorist incidents we have ever experienced in the United

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Kingdom. During the day, police raided a number of houses. A

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22-year-old man was arrested in connection with yesterday's bomb

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attack. And attack had long been feared. Preventing a determined

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suicide bomber is incredibly difficult. The priority for the

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police will be to discover everything they can about this man,

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whether he is part of a wider network and whether there is a risk

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of further attacks. Off the back of it... Yes, well, of

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course, the police investigation has been going on throughout the day to

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try and establish exactly what happened. We now know the name of

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the bomber, This eight child one -- was among those killed. It was an

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attack directed at innocence. Well, we saw the very worst of humanity

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here last night, but we are seeing the best of humanity in Manchester

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since the attack. It is not just the way people responded that the

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response has been extraordinary, it is people offering to give people a

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little more a room or some hotel space or even a mobile phone to call

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parents because there were so many children last night you were

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separated from their parents in the panic, but it was also the

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professionalism and the speed with which the emergency services

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responded, because they were up those steps last night within

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minutes. And it was perfectly possible to imagine that there would

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be a second attack. Most people were fleeing the Syria to get away from a

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secondary device. The emergency services were running into it and

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into what they did not know. So their bravery really has been

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commended today and I have just come from Albert Square were there was a

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vigil this evening and a loud round of applause was for the men and

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women who tended to the injured inside the Fourier. And I think the

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other thing to say is the police and the way they have responded. Of

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course, there is a very active forensic investigation underway.

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Here at the arena. But also into the background of this Salman Abede, a

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young man who may have connections to Libya. They are obviously looking

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into his background because although it may well have been a crude

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home-made device, there was an element of sophistication, certainly

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in the planning and perhaps in the construction of the bomb, so what

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they want to know is whether he was acting alone, whether you're blurred

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those skills to make the bomb, or was he, and this is the worst-case

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scenario, what he supplied that one ad is there a bomb maker that is

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still at large that the police need to find. Clearly, this is going to

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be a long investigation and for every parents of daughters who are

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about that age and you love Ariana Grande, we know how many children

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and parents have been affected by this, including the singer herself,

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22-year-old Ariana Grande says that she was broken by the attack. The

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rest of her European shows have now been suspended. 60 ambulances went

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to Manchester Arena after the attack and those wooded are being treated

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at eight hospitals around the city. We are now starting to get a picture

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of the people who are caught up in it. Our special correspondence has

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this report on the victims of terror.

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This teenager idolise Ariana Grande. This was when she met her in 2015.

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This afternoon, a college in Leyland said our thoughts and prayers go out

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to all of Georgina's family friends and all of those affected by this

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loss. And the latest of the 22 who died to be named, John Atkinson from

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Bury. Friends said the 28-year-old was an amazing young man. In

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Manchester, they are also remembering the injured. 59 people

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were taken to hospital. It is not 12 of the casualties are children under

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16. Clearly, there are a number of individuals who have very serious

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injuries and requiring intensive care. And people are going to be in

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hospital a long time. Some families are still waiting to hear from loved

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ones. People like Louis Rutherford and William Currie from South

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Shields and Laurie McIntire and Aileen McLeod from the Isle of Barra

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and Courtney Boyle and Philip Tron from Gateshead. Behind every face, a

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desperate search. We haven't seen this girl. I Anders Aslund if you

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have seen this jungle. Have you seen this girl? She was at the concert

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last night. This is the uncle of 15-year-old Olivia Campbell. Her

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family asked us to show her picture and publicise the search, from

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hotels to hospitals. We have been as close as we can to the arena to

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check the back streets and we have been to this hospital, a couple

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more. We have friends and family going to other hospitals. We have

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friends in Blackburn who work there and they are looking at their

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hospital. We are just coming to an end. All we need to do is get in

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contact with anyone who sees or knows where she is. All we need is a

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phone call and we can go and get her. And waiting at home, cousins,

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grandparents, and a mother who wanted to record this message to

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help find her daughter. I am worried sick. If anybody has seen her,

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please contact the police, contact somebody, let us know that you have

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seen her. Does let the police know, please. In just seconds, so much

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changed. Young lives so cruelly taken.

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Plenty of reaction here in Manchester today. Let's meet

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introduce you to the CEO of human appeal, which is a Manchester -based

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charity. You do a lot of work in Syria and Afghanistan as well. Tell

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me a little bit about what you've heard from the police today about

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this 22-year-old monk -- young man, some collections -- connections to

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Libya. Should we be surprised that someone who has done something like

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this would come from a country that is so unethical? I think we are very

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surprised as well. -- that is still stable. The stability has produced a

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lot of problems. Bearing in mind that immigration and those who have

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migrated, millions of people came to Europe because of the instability

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there in serious this means have a lot of responsibility, the

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international community, to try our best to solve the problems there.

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Does an incident like this make it much more difficult to integrate

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people like that you are coming from these countries into British

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society? Do you worry about the divisions that that might cause? I

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am not that worried because, for example, or charity. We do our best

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to bring young people and we have 2000 volunteers around the country.

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We try to challenge -- channel their energy to do things to maybe raise

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funds to do other activities to help those who are abroad. So we need to

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find a way. So this means there is a collective responsibility in the

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community and we need to work together to channel the energy of

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these young people and reach them as well because we need to do a lot of

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projects to reach young people, especially in editors bandaged -- in

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disadvantaged areas and unstable countries. There will be a lot of

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people who will say I am putting a liberal spin on it and saying we had

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to do more in the community to help people who have recently arrived and

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these are the sort of people that should no good from evil and some

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times we are accused of being too liberal, but when you look be read

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back to September the 11th, we have tried invasions, we have dropped

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bombs and we have tried all sorts of counterterrorist measures that the

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incidents are starting to escalate, so there is clearly a problem within

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our societies in Europe were people of the kind you have just described

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are being lost and they are dropping through the gaps. Yes. I think we

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have a responsibility. We need to do a lot of work with the young people

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who come here. We need to find a way to integrate them with the community

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and find a way to tell -- to channel their energy. At the same time, we

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cannot avoid speaking about the big picture were the international

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community has a big responsibility to solve the problems there as well.

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That is something because I do a lot of work in Syria, I have seen the

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reality in my eyes. I just came two weeks ago from the border between

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Turkey and Syria, Lebanon and Syria, so I grow frequently and ITV reality

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there are so we have a big responsibility -- our Government has

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a big responsibility to stop what is happening there because as I said

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earlier, those who came to Europe because there was a problem there,

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we need to support for example Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan, who host

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now 4 million refugees sought we have a responsibility. And when they

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arrive here, that is double. Extra responsibility. And we are more than

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happy in the Western community to work with the local authorities like

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we do here in Manchester and with local Government as well to help

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integrate those who come to Europe from the unstable countries. OK.

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Thank you very much for being with us. We can speak now to security

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expert birdie-mac, who advises the Government on public protection. If

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you were in Manchester today and advising the authorities in

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Manchester, what would you be asking them to look at? Well, I think

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everyone is going to enter some days of grieving, along with all of these

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victims and the first consideration from the point of view of the public

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is really going to be that 20,000 people in five minutes have had in

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your death experience and traumatic separation from children, so this is

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a massive effort for the community to sort out and for the schools to

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help. In terms of the terrorism, the whole of Britain actually has a

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lesson from this and that is that we are entering potentially a very new

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phase of much more military style attacks and these may threaten ours

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because they may be more effective with these mass casualties and also

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aiming at hard targets like the police, as we have seen in a recent

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attack. So it means the authorities and the public are going to have to

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work more closely. The other thing that we learned from the very sad

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situation at Manchester is that the terrorists are finding art

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facilities inside are so well protected that the focus of their

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targeting is outside the facility on the periphery. Airports around the

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world have experienced this. We have seen people walk into arrivals to do

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the attacks because getting in another way is to well protected. So

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does that mean, from your firm's experience, that what security

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officials now have to be looking at is the external of buildings like

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this and what can they really realistically do about that, short

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of making an entire city on lockdown? Well, this country already

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has defence in depth and it is disguised in many ways in the street

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furniture and the way barriers are up to stop ramming vehicles and

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vehicle bombs getting too close to buildings. They worked usually on

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that and in the Olympics they did you'd work with local communities

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and businesses and there is a very tight in intelligence of people

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talking to the police, but the design, particularly in the

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facilities that I have been looking at, particularly in this leisure

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area, our concern has very much been the front facade of the entry areas

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as the weak spots because this seems to get uncontrolled and often

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facilities are old and they don't always have explosion protection

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glass and very tight fitting that won't become extra fragmentation if

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you have this type of attack, so the engineers will look at this very

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carefully. OK. Fascinating. Thank you very much for joining us. Well,

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this type of attack is something that security forces in western

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countries are always on alert for, but with soft targets like answered

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Samaritans and sporting venues, as you heard, more can be done to

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protect the public? Today, while he was in Israel, President Trump had

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this to say about the assault. I will call them from now on losers

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because that is what they are. They are losers. Well, joining me now is

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Stephen Hadley, he served as national security adviser to

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President Bush. Is it possible as President Trump has suggested for as

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ever to eradicate the threat that comes from Islamic State? It is

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going to take a long time. It is going to require a strategy on a

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variety of levels, sustained over a long period of time. We are going

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after Isis now. We are stripping them of their territory, of their

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so-called caliphate. That is the right thing to do because it gives

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them a place to train and it was a source of inspiration and

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recruitment, but if we succeed, they will then go back down to being kind

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of a terrorist organisation like Al-Qaeda and we will have two deal

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with that, trying to get intelligence to disrupt attacks and

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trying too hard on things here at home. We will all have do pay

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special attention now to those major gatherings, sporting events,

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concerts and be like to upgrade the security associated with both events

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because that is a vulnerability that the terrorists are beginning to

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exploit. We are going to be in this for the long haul and what President

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Trump is trying to do is rally the world of Islam to join others in

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that effort and really put down the line that these folks are working

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off an extremist ideology that is a perversion of religion and is really

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the enemy of all religion. Since September the 11th, intelligence

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sharing has improved here in the United States and with Western

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allies as well and with European countries, but it becomes

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increasingly difficult when you can have an individual and we do not

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know whether this was one person or a network but when you have an

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individual who can strap on a bomb and cause this much damage trying to

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trace that individual and stop them. Is it possible for us to keep track

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of every single person who is a threat? Well, one of the things we

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have to do is work in our local communities to identify people who

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are at risk and tried to get them connected with their family, get

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them to help and support so they don't move in the direction. But

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sometimes people are on watch lists and the security services quite

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understandably do not have the resources to keep everybody on a

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list of the time. That is why it needs to be a community effort to

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take some responsibility and to try to get young people in particular

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heading down the right path and there are some programmes were this

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is being attempted in countries around the world. We have to do

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more. They are trying it in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. But it is going

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to be a community wide effort and it is going to take all of us and there

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will be times when terrorists are going to get through. Were you

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involved in the investigation into the attack in Manchester, what would

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you be looking for today? Well, the question and the people who have

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been on your show have said very clearly, is this someone by

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themselves doing this or are they part of a network, and if they are

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part of a network then we have to find out where the financing came

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from, where the materials and training came from. And there are a

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lot of principles that are available to do that. So the first question is

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is this person acting alone, are they part of a network and then we

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have to run down the network and also make sure that this is not the

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first of a wave because that is always the thing you worry about

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when you have an attack is the second or third. Which is why you

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need to be so vigorous in your investigation, get to the bottom of

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it and make sure there isn't another attack planned and ready to go. OK.

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Stephen Hadley. Thank you for joining me on the programme. One

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issue that people here are talking about in the counterterrorism world

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that has changed since the days that Stephen Hadley was national security

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adviser is of course cyber and encryption and these individuals are

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often using encrypted communications and flying blind in a way for the

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national security services to try to keep track of them because they

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can't be traced so easily. Yes, that is how they are communicating. We

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were talking about people coming in from unstable regions of people

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listening to that might say the sky was British foreign, lived here in

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Manchester and grew up in Manchester and he did but we do not know what

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other connections he has had, whether he has been to Libya or is

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in connection or is just inspired by so-called Islamic state. We do not

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know. The difference between what happened at Westminster Bridge eight

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a few weeks ago and what has happened here is that the bomb might

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not be particularly sophisticated but there has to be a certain amount

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of planning that goes into it. In previous plots that have been

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foiled, usually they make contact with somebody, perhaps a bomb maker

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or somebody who cancellers materials. That gives them away and

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sometimes they do not make the bomb properly, but the point is this man

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has managed to blot out what he was going to do and has carried out

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successfully and that will be a worry to the police. You are

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