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The choice is going to be made on Thursday. Twice the president...

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As we mentioned one of the three terrorists involved in Saturday

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night's attack, Khuram Butt had twice been reported to police.

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In fact he'd appeared in a Channel 4 documentary last year,

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Welcome to 100 Days Plus - I'm Katty Kay in Washington.

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Christian Fraser is in London where British police have just

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released the identities of two of the men involved

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One, Khuram Butt, was a British citizen, born in Pakistan.

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Police say he was known to the authorities.

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Another, Rachid Redouane, claimed to be of Moroccan

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and Libyan decent - he was not previously

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They were both shot dead during the attacks.

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Both lived in Barking in east London.

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Police say they are still working to confirm all

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It does appear that in the case of both Manchester and these London

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attacks, members of the community had raised concerns about some

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of the men involved - and it seems those warnings may have

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Tonight London paused to reflect.In the past hour a vigil and a minute's

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silence was held near London Bridge evening in solidarity

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Lets cross to Ros Atkins who is close to Borough Market.

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Let's cross to Ros Atkins who is close to Borough Market.

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The investigation is moving quickly. What do we know? We have been given

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a limited amount of information by the police. One man has been named

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as Khuram Butt. Adds Moroccan heritage. He went by a

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different name. Both men were living in Barking. Yesterday we saw a rest

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there and today they have been more raids. That part of London is very

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much the focus. And the Prime Minister has said today that we are

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dealing with the new reality. Some big questions for the next

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government about multiculturalism. On one side we have had arguments

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about what happened in the past. Theresa May before she became Prime

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Minister was Home Secretary for a number of years. She oversaw

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significant cuts to the number of police. On one hand there was an

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argument about whether those cuts were inappropriate. The Prime

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Minister said absolutely not, it's about the kind of policing that is

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done, not just the numbers. While that has been going on, there has

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been a discussion about the kind of policing that is needed by the new

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government. The Prime Minister has tried to outlined what they will do

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if they form the next government. But have you heard about the claims

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that community members both in the case of Manchester and London

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reported concerns about some of these individuals and that those

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concerns were not heeded? You are right. In Manchester there have been

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multiple reports that someone a baby have been reported to hotlines. --

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Salman Abedi. One of the community leaders also said that he was aware

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that one of the attackers on Saturday was being radicalised. The

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counter that will come from the authorities is that they are getting

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a lot of information at one time. Even if they are aware of somebody,

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it's not realistic for every person of interest to be monitored for 24

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hours a day. Nonetheless, the pressing questions about not just

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how the authorities go about inviting information from the

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public, but what they do to it. This all really is for the new government

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to wrestle with. We have had this phrase a new reality expressed today

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and the challenges for the police and for which of the government

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takes over to fashion a new response to the reality. Despite everyone's

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's efforts at the current response hasn't been able to stop three

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serious attacks in three months. Thank you very much. Doing the

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visual jun the last hour this is what the Mayor of London had to

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save. London stands in defiance against this cowardly attack on our

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city, our people, our values and our way of life. As the Mayor of London,

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I want to send a clear message to the sick and evil extremists who

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commit these hideous crimes. We will defeat you. You will not win.

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And as a proud and page will take British Muslim I say this. You do

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not commit these disgusting acts in my name. Sadiq on speaking in London

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at the vigil to remember those who were killed and those who are still

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in hospital. Let me pick up on the point that Ross was making that

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Jeremy Corbyn has criticised the Prime Minister about policing

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levels. What is the reality? Is Jeremy Corbyn right that Theresa May

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is responsible for less policing to deal with situations like this? He

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is right. If you look at the figures they were just over 122,000 police

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officers in the UK in September. That is just under 22,000 less than

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in 2010. There has been a drop of around 13%. These figures for

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England and Wales. She would say and she has said today in response and

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it is a difficult issue for her because she was for 60 of the Home

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and she was in charge of counterterrorism budgets. She says

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that they are funding counterterrorism budgets and they

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are increasing the number of armed officers. But the threat has changed

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and what a lot of senior police officers are saying around the

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country and the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Caicedo Dicker

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said the same is that what we are seeing from the Manchester attack

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and these attacks that they were home-grown citizens. You do need

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police officers, beat bobbies as we call them in the UK, out on the

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streets, talking to Muslim leaders and the Muslim community. It's not

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about just having the staff is about having the right staff of the job.

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When those members of the community make complaints, they need to be

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listened to. One of the attackers, Khuram Butt had been reported twice

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to the abilities. He also appeared in a documentary. It was thought

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that he was watching hate videos on YouTube.

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Khuram Butt at 27 the father of two young children. He worked on the

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London underground before turning to Islamic extremism. To my police

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around his home. Here, he was well-known and well liked. My kids

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just love to play with him. His neighbour says she feels falls. I

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was blind. It is scary. Our children are always playing here. Benjamin

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Joe would say hello to his neighbour, even on the date of the

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attack. Yes, I remember I saw him. What was he like? Very quiet. What

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was he wearing? An Arsenal T-shirt. Was he, when he saw him on Saturday?

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Yes, he was calm. He was part in the middle of the road. We thought he

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was moving out. Michael watched the London attacker with another man in

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a white van. I saw him about 630. What was the fan doing? It screeched

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up. It was speeded up and then breaking? No, it was just breaking

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on the bend. He wanted women to wear hijabs. This man did not want to

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show his face. He asked us to protect his identity. He will talk

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about Syria and Afghanistan. He talked about them getting bombed. He

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said they would debate Syria, Iraq and Islamic State. Was jihad

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important to him? It was really important to him? Do you think he

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was trying to radicalise you? I'm not sure. I would want to do that

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kind of thing. Khuram Butt, responsible for seven innocent

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deaths and today more raids, more searches to get to the truth of

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those behind the London attacks. Ed Thomas, BBC News, Barking.

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The Prevent strategy is one of the government's tools

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It is supposed to build links between the police,

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faith leaders, teachers, doctors, anyone in the community

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In 2015/16 there were 7,500 referrals - around 20 a day

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and out of those referrals, action was taken in one

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Joining us live now from Belfast is Jim Gamble.

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He's a former head of counter-terrorism in the city.

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It seems particularly when terrorists are going to be

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home-grown terrorists as we have seen the last three attacks in the

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UK police is going to have to rely increasingly on communities to flag

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up cases like this. What happens when those flags aren't watched?

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What happens when the warnings aren't heeded? When the warning

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comes in its about a credible intelligence assessment. We talk

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about intelligence led policing which needs to be intelligent in

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itself. It's not an easy job. Our police and intelligence services

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have been doing a great job. There is evidence of that. As others have

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said, these terrorists are having to resort to whether they can find in

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the kitchen and weapons they can find on the road. They are not

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getting access to explosives. There has been success and we should not

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ignore that. The problem with engaging a community and engaging

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communities is that we have lost a lot of police officers, bobbies on

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the beat. People need to feel understood and respected in the

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community and that mutual respect creates to wait -- two-way

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communication. Theresa May oversaw these cuts and the manner in which

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she did it was particularly difficult. Police warned that these

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cuts were too deep and she derided them by saying they were crying

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wolf. I think there is something about that coming home to roost and

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real leaders need to stand up and be counted and admit the errors they

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have made as they move forward. Some will say that the police are making

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use of the powers they. The are the new control orders. It means the

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authorities can put suspects under arrest for up to two years. There

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are supposedly 3000 people who are suspicious in the UK and only seven,

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seven of these orders are in place. That highlights the difficulty. We

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are talking about large numbers of people and the police will have a

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number of tactics, but when you get to the point when a person has been

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radicalise, it is much more difficult. The police did a

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fantastic job, arriving within eight minutes and even with those deadly

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circumstances. The investments that make a difference... But if they are

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under pressure, why aren't they using more of the control orders? I

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don't have sufficient insight into contemporary policing to give you

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reasonable feedback Van Eijden wanted to mean decried the tactics

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that are being used. What we need to see is greater investment in police

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resources, that's not just about numbers, it's about technology and

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the way they crunch data, partnerships within the community.

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You cannot do that without investigating. The partnerships

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include health, local authorities, schools and others because social

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workers, help and schools see some of those mental health issues that

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make young people more vulnerable. Many of the Prevent cases I have

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seen have been young people with critical mental health issues to

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become more vulnerable and susceptible to radicalisation by the

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criminal elements who will use that vulnerability to their own cruel

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ends. Thank you for joining us. This is clearly a conjugated issue and

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the solutions will be complicated and take time.

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Donald Trump has had plenty to say on the weekend attacks.

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Some would say he has had far too much to say.

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One of his targets on social media has been the Mayor

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"At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London

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says there is "no reason to be alarmed!"

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In fact, he took the Mayor out of context.

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What Mr Khan had actually said was that there will be more armed

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police on the streets and citizens had "no reason to be alarmed".

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However, undeterred, the President dug in -

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"Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think

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fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement.

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All of this understandably went down very badly in the UK.

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And lots of people here in the US aren't happy either.

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Here's the reaction from Jennifer Rubin,

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One is prompted to ask if he is off his rocker.

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But this is vintage Trump - impulsive and cruel,

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without an ounce of class or human decency."

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There are people here who are asking questions about the appropriateness

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of the President's action to a country that is one of America's

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siss allies. He has a long history of confrontation with Sadiq Khan.

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During the course of the campaign the mayor criticised Donald Trump

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for the travel ban against Muslims. As we know, Mr Trump bears grudges

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and you have to wonder whether some of this is personal, whether he is

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deliberately going after the mayor because of his relationship with him

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in the past. What I can't understand about his series of tweets is that

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he also retweets his tweets. He is the commander-in-chief who has

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access to the best intelligence in the world, you can pick up the phone

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and speak to the Prime Minister, but for some reason he is retweeting a

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report. He's done it before, on the Philippines issue. He said, this has

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been terrorism. The Philippines police said it was not terrorism.

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This is causing bad will in the UK and people are fed up and angry with

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the reaction of the President to a city that is grieving and suffering

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terrorism and having to do with it. It's not seen as helpful by many

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people here in the States. He is also using the London attacks to

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justify his Executive order to restrict immigration from six mainly

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Muslim countries. This was another one of his tweets. He said that

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people can call it what they want, but I'm calling it what it is, a

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travel ban. This will help the president. This is now going to the

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Supreme Court. They are good to talk about this and not many weeks ago

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the White House press secretary Sean Spicer was chastising what he called

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the fake may differ using that very same term.

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This is not a mosque in ban or a travel ban, it is a vetting system

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to keep America safe. That is it, plain and simple. All of the facts

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and reading of it clearly show that that is what it is. Courts that have

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ruled against this ban has said that the president is intending to ban

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muslins and they are judging that from these statements in the

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campaign. There is a precedent here and that is why they felt they could

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overturn his band, but now he is still saying it is a travel ban and

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this is going before the Supreme Court, does it give ammunition to

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the Supreme Court to say there is an intention here to ban muslins and

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that is not constitutionally acceptable? One very wise lawyer has

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said to me that actually the president wants his band to be

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overturned so he can say look, the American courts are against me.

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Because that's what you keep telling me. Most of his problems are

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self-inflicted and a lot of the people who have come out and spoken

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for him today, Kelly and Conway has come out, they said that we

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shouldn't pay attention to his Twitter feed. But he hasn't given an

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interview for three weeks so we will pay attention to it. We should

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perhaps stop calling them presidential tweets and we should

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call them presidential statements. I'm joined now by Robin Wright.

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Thank you for coming in to join me. When you look at what has happened

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in London and you look at the scale of the response to it, what are we

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learning about how we are going to deal with this threat in Europe

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because it's not going away, is it? No. There are a number of trends

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that have emerged. You see the proliferation of amateurs. They are

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self recruited, self empowered, self weaponised. They are not the whole

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core experience professionals like the PLO or the red B great. It's

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very difficult for law enforcement to try to keep track of them. It

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makes it more difficult. There is also the fact that whilst terrorism

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was far more prolific in the 70s and 80s, today it is deadly. Between

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1970 and 2015, there were no deaths in 53% of terrorist attacks. That

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increased with the rise of ices. Now you are seeing far deadlier attacks

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and far more being killed in each attack. As the Prime Minister

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Theresa May said, terrorism is evolving and their actions are

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evolving as well. But other things you talked about was the cyber

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component of this. She was critical social media companies and said they

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should do more to help clamp down on Islamist extremists and radicalism.

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Can they do more? The problem is that in the United States we have

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the first Amendment which guarantees the freedom of speech. You get into

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tricky legal and constitutional issues. How much can a government

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said to social media... The clamp-down on child pornography and

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now it's hard to find it. You have a deep net and whether or not it is

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telegram, which is how a lot of these European groups communicate

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through cryptic messages, it is hard to keep up with them. They are much

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more sophisticated than they were. How much are we prepared to give up

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in terms of freedom to have security? Robin has touched on the

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question I was going to ours. They have moved further into the

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darkness. They are now using telegram. You close down one area of

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Internet of a move somewhere else. Exactly and if you look at online

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publications, you BC that they forecast, they instruct their

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followers what to do, whether it's driving cars into crowds, using

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machetes to slice people up, there was a new issue that came out last

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month about mass hostagetaking and slowly killing people. There are a

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whole string of actions that are prevalent on the web. It's harder

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for countries like Britain in the United States to figure out how to

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stop them when you can't find them. Thank you for joining us. When

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Theresa May says enough is enough, what does that actually mean. Yes,

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she's good how to answer that question over the next two or three

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days. Shinnie stance it or she might be out of a job. Who knows. Jeremy

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Corbyn says she needs to resign. I thought that was the point. When you

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call an election, you effectively resign, but will have to wait and

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