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Hello and welcome to 100 days plus. Donald Trump Jr has just made it a

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lot harder for the US president to save his campaign didn't seek to

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cooperate with Russia. The President's sober releases

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e-mails which confirm that he did go looking for dirt on Philip Clinton

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from someone who was introduced to him as a Russian government lawyer.

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The e-mail said the Russian government was trying to support

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Donald Trump's candidacy. Donald Trump Jr's response to the offer? I

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love it. The Russian government itself, though, denies any

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connection to the Kremlin -- the Russian lawyer herself denies any

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connection to the Kremlin. After the fall of Mosul, the so-called Islamic

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states shifts its attention to Syria. We will be reporting from

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Raqqa. These fighters are coming up against

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IS snipers in all these streets around here. Other than that, they

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have drones, suicide bombers, this will be a very hard fight.

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The so-called big economy has given rise to new ideas and some dynamic

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new companies. But our work is properly protected, or flexible

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contracts now an excuse to avoid response ability?

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And Beijing is putting on quite a show. The promise of new trade along

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the new Silk Road, bridging the gap between east and west.

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In less than a decade, China has built twice as much high-speed rail

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as the rest of the world combined. Hello, I'm in New York, Kristian is

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in London. It now looks possible that Donald Trump's campaign didn't

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knowingly cooperate with people from Russia. The e-mails have been -- did

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knowingly cooperate. The e-mails had been released and show a direct line

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from Donald Trump eyes inner circle to Moscow. The e-mail exchange was

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with this man, Rob Goldstone, a music publicist and former tabloid

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reporter who was arranging the meeting was up Mr Goldstone

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represents the Russian pop star Emin Agalarov. His father is this man, a

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Russian oligarch who teamed up with Donald Trump in 2013 to take the

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Miss universe pageant to Moscow. He is close to present Pitt and stop --

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close to President Putin. Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and

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Paul Manafort all attended the 20 16 meeting with the Russian lawyer.

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You can see there are the direct link between the three men and

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Moscow. Trump Junior claims he has no knowledge of what the meeting was

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called to be about what knowledge was being supplied. The Russian

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lawyer spoke to NBC News to deny that she is a Kremlin stooge. Have

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you ever worked for the Russian government, do you have connections

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to the Russian government? TRANSLATION: No. They had the

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oppression, it appears, that they were going to be told information

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that you had, but the DNC. They had the impression. Added they get that

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impression? TRANSLATION: It is possible they were looking for such

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information, they wanted it so badly. Joining us now from

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Washington to try and unravel all this, our North American reporter.

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Let's take a look at what Goldstone actually promised in his e-mail to

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continue. He said, some official documents and if information that

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would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be

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very useful to your father. This is obviously very high-level...

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Donald Trump Jr's response to all of that... OK. Anthony, help us

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understand all of this. How significant is it? I think his is

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devastating. Last night, we saw the New York Times described the e-mail,

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but to see the actual text, the words exchanged, shows that Donald

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Trump Jr knew exactly going into this meeting that he thought he was

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going to be receiving assistance from someone connected to the

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Russian government, that the Russian government itself wanted to help his

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father get elected. Whether that actually took place in the meeting,

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you heard the lawyer mentioned that she wasn't connected with the

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Russian government, but here we are, he is going into the meeting, he

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thinks he's getting those documents, and I think that is very damaging

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for him. OK, damaging, Anthony, but already the question is being raised

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about whether it was actually illegal. Collusion may be unethical,

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it may not look good for the Trump campaign, if indeed this is

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collusion, but is it illegal? That'll be for prosecutors to

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examine. I'm sure the independent counsel is taking very close look at

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this. The statutes involved say that foreign governments cannot

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contribute to a political campaign, whether that is just dealing with

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monetary contributions are contributing, sisters in the form of

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incriminating in formation or opposition research, I think that is

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an open question, but as you mention, the political object of

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this absolutely devastating for Donald Trump Jr and for the entire

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tribe of ministration and the campaign that had been denying any

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sort of link any interest in getting help from the Russian government,

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welcome here you have Donald Trump to your going into a meeting and

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thinking that is what he was going to get, and if you look at the top

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of this e-mail chain, Donald Trump Jr, the day before the meeting,

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forward the e-mail to Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort, they had said

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they went into the meeting not having any idea what would be

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discussed, but it seems likely that they had these e-mails in their

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inbox the day before they sat down intron tower. And of course, this is

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the moment where we all good into the archive to see what they said at

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the time. This is in January, Vice President Mike Pants denying anyone

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in the campaign had contact with the Russians. Did any adviser, anyone in

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the Trump campaign, have any contact with the Russians you're trying to

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meddle in the election? So of course not. I think to suggest that is to

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give credence to some of these... These bizarre rumours that have

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swirled around the candidacy. I don't know what you and Cathy will

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think but this looked like a classic sting from the New York Times, they

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tease a bit out of it, and suddenly, there is this transparent release of

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e-mails from Don Junior. But 17 minutes before he was transparent,

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there was the New York Times story. Maybe they had this e-mail all on. I

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think that is safe to say, these e-mails are not exhilarating or

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exculpatory for Donald Trump Jr by any stretch of the imagination full

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stop -- is exonerating or exculpatory. I think you try to get

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ahead of the story. He was so explicit, going into this meeting,

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it will not help at all, the fact that he got this out a little ahead

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of time. And you heard Mike Pence there, trying to separate himself

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from the story as best he can. But he has been put in a position,

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multiple times now, with the Marco Fu and -- Michael Flynn allegations,

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where he was time to say things and then become. Wouldn't you just love

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to know who is leaking this information? There is a lot of

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speculation. What more than one, 23, according to the New York Times. --

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two or three. He in the White House was Donald Trump? I have been told

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by people abroad, and here in the United States, this this is just

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part of American politics. It's a brutal game people polled just do

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opposition research. Here is a treat... He was the campaign

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strategies for Mitt Romney. He worked on the Bush campaign in

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2004. This is not normal in American

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politics, clearly. Yes, opposition research happen, but does not come

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from a foreign adversarial. But the question being raised, increasingly,

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is whether it was in fact illegal. Lawyers will have to look into it, I

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knew from both sides here, lawyers who say yes, this idea that they got

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things from a foreign adversary or foreign entity, that is illegal. I'm

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also hearing lawyers say no, this is good to be very hard to say that

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this was actually illegal. This was the point talking about...

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This is how lawyers make their money! Disagreeing with each other.

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They are all lawyered up. There's plenty of money going around. But

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even if he hasn't committed a crime, the real suggest the Russians were

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dragged out the drug campaign to stop so even if you take Donald

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Trump Jr out of this, the centre is that Moscow were trying to

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interfere. -- the Russians were trying to help the Trump campaign

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full stop the Russians have denied it just last week, but does that and

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I'll ring true? The former Russian Prime Minister is

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now a leading opposition figure and joins us now. Thank you for joining

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us. Is it now getting harder for the Kremlin decided and interfere in the

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American election last year? I think as the story develops, some kind of

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understanding that Russians, especially those who are in the

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so-called sanctions list, are trying to build up a model, to try to

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eliminate those sanctions. I think this is a confirmation world than

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interference the elections, though just e-mails that you're referring

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to, suggests that that could also be the case. Why would Mr Putin have

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gone to such lengths to stop Hillary Clinton? I think that is... That was

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clear that during that period of time, during the Obama

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Administration, relations with Mosul's Russia changed completely. I

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would say American reaction of human rights violations taken by Putin was

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absolutely unacceptable from Mosul's perspective, though I think this is

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an obligation of the American Government as well as many other

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governments, that human rights would be respected in Russia. Of course,

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the Ukrainian affair, annexation of Crimea, the Syrian operation,

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everything contrary to general order exists in this world. Mr Putin would

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like to destroy all those things. Of course, he wanted his regime to be

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seen as a decent one. But unfortunately, from his perspective,

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the American administration and other Western governments are

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standing very strongly on their values and understanding what is

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international law is about. If your candidate an arms length from it, so

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you weren't directly in the data, that would give your trying to keep

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an arms length,... What we know about this oligarch, Agalarov,

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hopelessly seated between? -- how close is heated Putin? I don't know

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how close, but I would say he has an extensive and large business in

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Russia and that suggests that he has a good relation with high-level

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officials, and this lawyer, is not of course working for the

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Government, but I think a number of her clients are people who are in

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the sanctions list and that is why I think her attempt was to build up a

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mechanism to limit those sanctions. I think that was what the main

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purpose was. I know I don't know about the other information

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presented in the e-mails... Some kind of compromise on Hillary

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Clinton, as they say there, that could be the case. Other we have no

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evidence at the moment. Very good to get that insight. They give very

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much. The UK economy has graded record on

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climate in recent years, but has created the right kind of implement?

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-- has created record employment, but it is it the right kind? We have

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a report on the gig economy will stop a report reveals that often,

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this leaves too much at power in the hands of the employer.

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The report recommends that workers for countries like Uber and

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Deliveroo should be classed as contractors, giving them more

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security. This is making people's lives more insecure are making their

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lives harder to manage. We need to ensure that the self employed and

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those working in the gig economy are all properly protected. You in the

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UK, we have had record employment and a lot of it is down to the gig

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economy. The problem is that retail ComRes are trying to shift some of

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their contracts onto these as you are flexible contracts get around

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some aspects of employment law. So he is saying Korea to play -- he is

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saying, you need to pay national literacy workers, sick pay, holiday

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pay, all the rest of it. The trouble is, and this is where you need the

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balance, a lot of people in the gig economy like the hours. They were

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four to they -- they work for two employers, they want to be flexible

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to. But that got me thinking, wonder if those is a debate like that in

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the knighted States, there is a debate here, but I don't sense that

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there is one? -- the United States. The gig economy in 2020 will take up

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43% of the American workforce. That is huge. American workers don't

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necessarily expect modern times a paid holiday or health insurance,

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even, pension benefits. That is not the social contract that Americans

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make with their employers. So you hear Sangam bling here about that I

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do hear grumbling about whether employers should treat their

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employees better, but the gig economy is actually very well-suited

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to the way people do business here. In this, our last week of 100 Days

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+, we are looking more closely at some of the teams that have guided

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this problem. Yesterday, we talked about the retreat of Western,

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liberal democracy. Today, we're talking about the relationship

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between politics and identity. The pattern was a UK Government

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minister, also the last Governor of Hong Kong and a European

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Commissioner. He is a man who has seen first-hand where national

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identity and projects combine. His memoir is just out and he joined us

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a little earlier. In your book, you talk about some

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rather unexpected things in relation to the Prime Ministers you worked

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with, three of them, Ted Heath, In the context of today's relaunch,

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Theresa May's relaunch, I don't think there are bottles

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of champagne being broken over the bows of the ship

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with this relaunch. I think she is obviously

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in difficulty. She is in office but

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not I think in power. Because the Conservative Party

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is quite nervous that any attempt to find a successor would divide

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the Conservative Party even more fundamentally

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than it is already divided. I think she is quite limited

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and I think that she allowed herself at the early stages of these doomed

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Brexit negotiations to line up behind the people who wanted a hard

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Brexit or no deal being better than a bad deal and so on issues

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like the role of the European Court of Justice, on immigration,

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I think the Government have got into I think it's going to be a struggle

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to get out of it without either loss of face or considerable bashing

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for the national interest. Let's broaden this out and talk

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about one of the themes in your book, the idea

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of identity in politics. We all heard Donald Trump in Warsaw

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last week and he spoke about the crisis of western

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civilisation and the idea of identity for national politics

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and I wonder whether there are not a lot of people, whether in Europe

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or in America at the moment who wouldn't agree with him

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and think we need to reclaim in this fast moving globalised world

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where people are crossing borders, we need to reclaim a sense

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of sovereignty and identity. in Europe and I think

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in the United States is lamentable. His idea of identity bashes Islam,

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keeps people out, very tough immigration controls,

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doesn't have much to do with the things which America

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helped to give the world after the Second World War,

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institutions and values, which gave us probably the 50th

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happiest and most stable and peaceful years in

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the world's history. I believe the relationship

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between freedom, the rule of law, economic success, democracy

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and accountability so that the second half of the last century

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was so much better than the first. If we want to go back to the first

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half of the last century, when nationalism poisoned

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and undermined civilisation, then President Trump is welcome to it,

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but it certainly isn't something I went to see for my children

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and grandchildren and that is why If we are to see a world

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in which America has a different role and it seems under

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Donald Trump, that role will be a more retiring one in the world,

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do you buy into the theory that other countries are going to step

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in, namely, the country you know very well,

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China, for example. I think as far as President Xi

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Jinping in China is concerned and so far as President Putin

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is concerned, President Trump My own view is that there isn't

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a really big and serious issue in the world that we can tackle

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in a sensible, rational way I think Europe can play a part

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but I think it's going to depend very much on the United States,

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presuming the role that America doesn't need

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to be made great again, America's reputation around

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the world has been nosediving since President Trump came

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into office and American soft power, which was one of the reasons why

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America could achieve so much around the world, has been shot to pieces

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by this administration. I don't say that with any

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pleasure but it is true. You have been talking a lot

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about Hong Kong of late, if that soft power is replaced

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by hard power from China, Hong Kong is guaranteed by treaty

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between Britain and China, a treaty which runs until 2047

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and what it looks as though China is trying to do at the moment,

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is to overturn some aspects of that agreement which was supposed

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to guarantee Hong Kong's way My own view and I'm sure

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that of other people, if you can't trust China

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to keep its word on that, I want to see China

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playing a responsible role I think China doing well

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isn't a threat to us. I think China doing badly would be a

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threat. Interesting words. There is no doubt

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China's 20 extend its reach, and with the US it retreating from

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things like the transpacific partnership, there is new

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opportunity. China is promising a new trillion dollar rail routes,

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following the trade route which once connected these and west. In a

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special report, editors travelling the length of this new cell growth.

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Today, she is in Western China, where it is hoped that it may help

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resolve tensions bring a Muslim minority and the state.

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This is the face of the new Silk Road.

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Behind the stage make-up, this girl is a Muslim

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The people left behind by China's growth.

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TRANSLATION: Tourists I met had heard this place was unsafe,

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that they couldn't be sure to get out unharmed if they came here.

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Some people did some bad things and it has affected all of us.

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China is trying to rewrite the script.

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At this theatre, a grand narrative of ethnic unity

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The wealth gap between west China and the coast,

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a challenge as immense as the terrain.

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This economy is addicted to building.

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But the coast now has as much road and rail as it can absorb so China

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seeking new frontiers at home and abroad.

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To solve economic insecurity problems with one blow.

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The Silk Road was once unimaginably remote the most

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In less than a decade, China has built twice as much

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high-speed rail as the rest of the world combined.

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A magnet for the biggest tourist board in the world.

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One the government hopes will kick-start growth

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Heading west to troubled Xinjiang, do they fear becoming

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TRANSLATION: Not afraid, there are people looking

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A small group of people are causing trouble but 99% are good.

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At the grand theatre, they are spending $250 million

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But the more China invests, the more it has to protect.

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The ancient Silk Road story has moments of danger.

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And China's grand new narrative is fraught with peril.

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Deliver on the spin of opportunities for all or forever scanned the crowd

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Some challenges facing the new rising superpower, China. You're

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watching 100 Days + from BBC News. Still to come, we had a report from

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inside Raqqa in Syria. Our correspondence on the front line of

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the fight against the so-called Islamic State. And it's the finish

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line for the 2024 Olympics, two of the last contender still standing

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will find out soon if they will be the host of that Olympics. Coming up

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on 100 Days + on BBC News. Good evening fell stop a change of

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fortunes, some rain, some of it really quite heavy across the

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south-west and for parts of Wales, as you can see from this weather

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watcher's picture, it pushed its way is through the day bringing some

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heavy rain across the south coast into parts of Dorset and towards SWI

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team. The first significant rain we have seen for this year's Wimbledon

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championship. The rain will convey you to track its way steadily

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eastwards and it will continue to be quite heavy, which is great news for

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the gardens and for the farmers out there. Our first significant rain

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across parts of southern England so far this July. Clear skies, a chilly

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night to come in the north of Scotland, low single figures in

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rural sheltered spot, but where we keep the cloud, it will be 14 or 15

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degrees. That will start a clear away from the Essex and Kent coast

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during the morning, perhaps lingering for the morning rush hour,

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but behind, a legacy of either wait for a time before it will thin and

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break in the sunshine will come through. Not looking too bad across

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parts of Wales, Pinter Northern England, the Isle of Man, Northern

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Ireland and the bulk of Scotland will start the day on a slightly

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chilly enough but with plenty of sunshine. It really is looking like

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a promising date through the middle of the week. As we go through

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Wednesday, that car that we have done towards the south-west will too

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thin and break-up during the latter stages of the morning. The wind

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swinging round to a north-easterly direction, it may feel chilly on the

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coast, but with shelter we could cease some temperatures of low 20s,

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possibly. It bodes well if you have tickets for Wimbledon, Wednesday, a

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perfect day and one with it. 22 degrees the high, 72 Fahrenheit.

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Training into their stake -- not much change into Thursday, dry, in

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the sunshine, it will continue to feel quite warm with light winds, 18

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to 23 degrees. Clouds gather into the far north-west. A week rent will

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make its way slowly south and east, bringing some showers, but by

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Friday, a ridge of high pressure builds again and generally speaking,

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things look quite promising. Maybe some could arrive as we go through

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Friday, but cry. President Trump's son has

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released an email chain, showing he was keen to use

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information from Russia to dig the dirt on Hillary Clinton

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and help his dad win But the lawyer he met

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denies the allegations of a connection to the Kremlin,

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and insists never possessed any Emails released today

:30:27.:30:28.

by Donald Trump Jnr have changed the debate here,

:30:29.:30:44.

about whether the Trump campaign cooperated with Russia

:30:45.:30:47.

to affect the US election. In the correspondence,

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this is what the person arranging an encounter with a Russian

:30:50.:30:51.

lawyer promised. "Some official documents

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and information that would would incriminate Hillary

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and her dealings with Russia, and would be very

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useful to your father. This is obviously very high level

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and sensitive information, but is part of Russia

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and its government's support for "If it's

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what you say, I love it, Well, joining us now

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is Matthew Rojansky, director of the Kennan Institute

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at the Woodrow Wilson Center. Matthew, put your Moscow hat on. Or

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are they making of this in the Kremlin? What is very strange about

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how this has come together is that the lawyers substance of argument,

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which had to do with the sanctions bill, the Russian retaliation etc,

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that was 100% consistent with the Kremlin message. It plugs into

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basically a life and death struggle for the Putin regime. The big

:31:57.:32:00.

proponent of those sanctions was Bill Browder, a former American

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citizen, British who bankrolled the campaign to get sanctions against

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Moscow. The element of luring the Trump campaign in, what sort of

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sounds strange about all of that to my year is if you are running an

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intelligence operation to try and subtly push an American election,

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that is the opposite of what you do. You do not very publicly, and

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through these very obviously traceable intermediaries, put out

:32:31.:32:33.

feelers and deliver nothing of real value or substance. You do the

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opposite. The very quietly deliver things of tremendous value in a

:32:38.:32:43.

plausibly deniable way. This seems like the opposite of a Russian

:32:44.:32:46.

intelligence operation. It may have been a bumbling rush-hour Kremlin

:32:47.:32:51.

lobbying operation. What you say is that maybe the lawyer overrate this?

:32:52.:32:59.

Or maybe somebody further down the It is quite possible. The way the

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Kremlin system works made recalls the Soviet system. Over fulfilling

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the plan. Putin set a general direction for a Russian policy. Then

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you have a competition. Remember the famous competition among the

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hackers? This competition among elements of the Russian state and

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their interlocutors and intermediaries to fulfil the

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expectations of the top guy. This was a bungled operation by some

:33:30.:33:36.

people who were not the A team. We should say we have some news in from

:33:37.:33:40.

the White House. A statement from President Trump, in which he says, I

:33:41.:33:45.

son is a high-quality person and I applaud his transparency. As we

:33:46.:33:50.

pointed out earlier, these e-mails would not have come out if it had

:33:51.:33:55.

not been for the New York Times investigation. Prosecutors have been

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asking for these contacts, these meetings earlier. I take the point

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Matthew is making. Maybe there wasn't a plan from the Kremlin in

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this particular direction. The point is, and this is surely the uppermost

:34:08.:34:12.

point of this story, is that he was prepared to go along with it

:34:13.:34:15.

thinking the information was coming from Russia. It doesn't matter what

:34:16.:34:19.

information was coming dandelion, or whether he knew who he was meeting

:34:20.:34:23.

or not, he was prepared to go along with it, thinking it was top

:34:24.:34:27.

information coming from Moscow. Surely that is the point? You will

:34:28.:34:33.

hear a lot of -- about the issue of intention in the next few days.

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Day by day, the Islamic State is being driven out of its strongholds.

:34:35.:34:38.

The Iraqi government declared victory in Mosul yesterday,

:34:39.:34:41.

though the United Nations believes there are some 3000 civilians

:34:42.:34:44.

trapped in areas still held by the militants.

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With that push in Mosul the next target is Raqqa in Syria.

:34:50.:34:52.

Gabriel Gatehouse, along with cameraman Fred Scot

:34:53.:34:56.

and producer Peter Emmerson, have been with them on the front line.

:34:57.:35:06.

In Raqqa, Islamic State is making its final stand. Fighting their way

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into the heart of the caliphate, a fragile coalition of power is great

:35:20.:35:23.

and small, of Arabs and Kurds, of men and women. This woman is in

:35:24.:35:33.

command of a thousand fighters on the Raqqa front line. Together,

:35:34.:35:39.

these men and women make up the Syrian Democratic Force is, STF. An

:35:40.:35:45.

alliance that includes Arabs but is led by the Kurds. Their success

:35:46.:35:55.

against IS has come in no small part to backing from the United States.

:35:56.:36:00.

The Americans have quietly built a presence on the ground, providing

:36:01.:36:06.

weapons, training and firepower. The commander and her unit on the

:36:07.:36:10.

Western Front. It is a tight squeeze inside a home-made armoured truck

:36:11.:36:14.

with a couple of firefighters driving towards the centre of Raqqa.

:36:15.:36:22.

Islamic State are supposed to be surrounded inside the old city. But

:36:23.:36:34.

IS have dug tunnels. And they frequently pop up you don't expect

:36:35.:36:45.

them. These fighters are coming up against IS fighters in all of these

:36:46.:36:53.

streets. They have got drones, they -- this is going to be a hard fight

:36:54.:36:57.

into the centre of Raqqa. Inching their way into the city, house by

:36:58.:37:04.

house, the fighters are so close they can hear IS in the building

:37:05.:37:10.

across the street. This is of course a battle for territory. They are

:37:11.:37:14.

fighting to retake the capital of the caliphate. Has something

:37:15.:37:19.

happened? Everybody is springing into action. They think they have

:37:20.:37:27.

got some Isis snipers in the buildings around.

:37:28.:37:36.

What is going on? They are moving here. They now face

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Islamic State at perhaps their most dangerous. Wounded, cornered and

:37:43.:37:50.

with nothing left to lose. But the fall of IS is inside. -- in sight.

:37:51.:37:57.

So what happens next to Islamic State?

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Joining us is James Jeffrey, who is a former US ambassador to Iraq.

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He also served as deputy national security advisor under

:38:03.:38:04.

Ambassador Jeffrey, what happens to Islamic State fighters, both from

:38:05.:38:17.

Iraq and Syria, who haven't been captured or killed? There will be

:38:18.:38:24.

some. There will be some. A few will try to generate a gorilla campaign

:38:25.:38:32.

against whatever the authorities are in Iraq and particularly Syria. We

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saw Visinia rack in 2010, 2011. There weren't many but they can

:38:38.:38:49.

strike from time to time. There will be very stringent controls on

:38:50.:38:52.

letting these people back to their homes. There already are in places

:38:53.:38:59.

like Tunisia. What would your advice be to the Trump administration and

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the coalition forces in the region, to try to make sure that Isis 2.0

:39:03.:39:09.

doesn't re-emerge? That is a really great question and it is what people

:39:10.:39:13.

are focused on. This is a huge victory we are seeing unfold in

:39:14.:39:16.

Mosul and in the days and weeks ahead it is the destruction of

:39:17.:39:25.

Islamic State, the first since the downfall of the Taliban in 2001.

:39:26.:39:30.

However, we have Isis in the state it was from 2014 to 2017 because of

:39:31.:39:35.

Iran's intervention in Iraq and Syria. Supporting its clients,

:39:36.:39:42.

particularly President Assad, but also some of the Shia politicians in

:39:43.:39:51.

Iraq. And Isis... We have to avoid that happening again. Iran is the

:39:52.:39:54.

next big issue that the Trump administration is going to have to

:39:55.:39:58.

tackle. It is not ready to do it yet because it has been preoccupied

:39:59.:40:02.

understandably with Isis. It seems to me that the United States sees a

:40:03.:40:07.

friend in the Prime Minister, someone they can work with. He is

:40:08.:40:12.

already on record as saying they need a federalism in Iraq that works

:40:13.:40:16.

for the Sunnis and the Kurds. When it comes to Mosul, that is tricky.

:40:17.:40:20.

It is a city were all others different societies are present. How

:40:21.:40:24.

do you command a city like Mosul and give these communities faith that

:40:25.:40:30.

their interests are being upheld? There is a standard that we have

:40:31.:40:33.

learned in many conflicts. I think of Sarajevo in Bosnia. It requires

:40:34.:40:40.

strong international engagement. You have that with the American led

:40:41.:40:46.

coalition right now. It requires the kind of bottom up reconciliation

:40:47.:40:49.

that we have seen in some areas of Iraq that have been retaken by Isis.

:40:50.:40:55.

But the underlying problem is, and we saw Visinia rack and we have seen

:40:56.:40:58.

it in Afghanistan, if you cannot control the big politics of the

:40:59.:41:04.

region, neighbours such as Iran, Pakistan, no matter what you try to

:41:05.:41:07.

do on the ground, falls apart. We have to deal with Iran's influence

:41:08.:41:21.

in Iraq. James Jeffrey, thank you. Politics, too much of it. Time for

:41:22.:41:23.

some sport. Paris and Los Angeles

:41:24.:41:24.

will be the next hosts In an unusual move, both cities

:41:25.:41:26.

will be officially awarded the 2024 All the other contenders

:41:27.:41:31.

pulled out of the race. But the question remains -

:41:32.:41:36.

who'll host the games first? Emmanuel Macron has put himself

:41:37.:41:41.

front and centre of the Paris bid. It is him again. He makes me feel

:41:42.:41:50.

inadequate. Here he is last month,

:41:51.:41:53.

boxing in Paris as part of events He is only four years younger than

:41:54.:41:56.

me. I hate him! He's also been in Switzerland -

:41:57.:42:04.

as has the mayor of Los Angeles, with gold medal sprinters

:42:05.:42:08.

Allyson Felix and Michael Johnson. Donald Trump has got into this,

:42:09.:42:16.

hasn't he? Yes. Surprise, surprise he is rooting for Los Angeles. He

:42:17.:42:21.

has got this fancy dinner with lobster, which I think he hates.

:42:22.:42:27.

They are meant to be celebrating Bastille Day. It is going to be

:42:28.:42:30.

about the Olympics and who wins. Donald Trump likes to win. Emanuel

:42:31.:42:36.

Macron likes to win. I was looking at this dinner. It is at the jewels

:42:37.:42:40.

were -- Jules Verne restaurant in Paris. No other guests. It has been

:42:41.:42:47.

closed to all other guests. It is just Emmanuel Macron and Donald

:42:48.:42:51.

Trump. They will dine on blue lobster and caviar, among other

:42:52.:42:54.

delicacies. Does the President like blue lobster? No. He likes a stake

:42:55.:43:01.

and he likes it well done. Otherwise he likes diet Coke. This is not his

:43:02.:43:05.

kind of dinner. I could always sit in.

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