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Live from London, that's our top story on Friday 2nd June.

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President Trump's decision to withdraw the United States

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from the Paris climate change agreement has been condemned

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Cities across America and nations across the world

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say the fight against global warming will continue.

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Russia signs a deal to build two new reactors at a nuclear

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power station in India - oh, and it's going to loan

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Plus, we'll bring you all the latest market reaction

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to President Trump's decision - and, in short,

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Wall Street stocks powered to fresh records on Thursday,

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sending Asia higher, and the upward trend looks set

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Later in the programme, we'll be hearing about the reaction

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of technology companies to President Trump's

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decision to quit the Paris climate agreement.

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Plus, we'll talk about Snapchat and Amazon -

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that's all with our techology guru Rory Cellan-Jones.

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And today we want to know what you think about America leaving

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Paris climate agreement - is the deal now in tatters,

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or can the rest of the world manage without America?

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President Trump has said he will pull the United States out

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of the Paris climate change accord, calling it an unfair agreement that

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would hamstring the American economy while empowering

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In a few hours, Chinese and EU leaders will issue

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their joint statement on the Paris climate agreement.

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China has already said it will honour its commitments

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So, how much common ground is there between the EU and China

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In 2016 almost 90% of NEW power in Europe came

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from renewable sources - that covers wind, solar,

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In particular, wind energy has now overtaken coal as the EU's second

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The EU plans to source 20% of its energy from

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So far 11 member states have met this goal -

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But Germany, France and the UK have yet to meet their targets.

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It still uses half the world's coal -

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but use of the black stuff is falling.

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In 2016 it dropped for the third year in a row.

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China is now investing heavily in renewables -

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it hopes to put more than $780 billion into

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China has already got the world's largest installations of hydro,

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But many Chinese grid operators are still set up to use coal -

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so renewable energy is getting wasted.

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Greenpeace estimate 19% of Chinese wind power didn't get used

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in the first three quarters of last year.

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Trevor Sikorski is the Head of Natural Gas Carbon

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He joins us in the studio. Thanks very much for coming in. Donald

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Trump says America is out. We are expecting to hear from Chinese and

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EU leaders in a few hours. What do you expect them to say? I think they

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will reaffirm their commitment to the Paris agreement. The Paris

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agreement was very much countries coming to the table saying, "This is

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what we are going to do, these other domestic policies we have in place

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for reducing emissions". The idea was that the world at that and put

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on pressure for people to do more so I think both the EU and China will

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come out and say they are still on track of it, still good with the

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Paris agreement. The Paris agreement is still going to be a strong

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agreement. Is problematic that the US is out but they will say they

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will provide leadership globally. How problematic is it that the US is

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at? It is not about reducing emissions. The US was also pledged

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to provide finance and innovations to help other countries reduce their

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emissions. I think the biggest impact is on those financial

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commitments. There are some big commitments whether developed world

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is supposed to help the developing and emerging markets to adapt and to

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finance mitigation efforts in those countries. It is about 100 billion a

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year from 2020 to 2025 with an expectation that number would go up

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and those numbers are going to be very, very hard without, I would

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say, a big strong US presence because it is such a big country.

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That is very good at mobilising capital without them.... Without

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is the reaction within the USA? is the reaction within the USA?

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Hours and President Obama signed the agreement, green energy boom that

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the US. What will happen to that? That is one of the big losers in a

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way from this. When you look at renewables, it is pretty patchy in

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the states. Some states are very good and active in the renewable

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space, others aren't. I think what will happen now is that those states

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which are still active will have to step up, maybe do a bit more because

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some of the federal support for renewables may start to come away

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from this, particularly tax credits, which are really important. I think

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those can be taken away. The states are going to have to step up and I

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think a lot of them will step up but those states that are doing nothing,

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there is going to be no pressure to really get into renewables, which is

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what Paris probably would have done if the US was going to be complying

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with what they said they would do. We have a ready heard from the

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coastal states, saying they will still forge ahead with their plans,

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despite his agreement. Absolutely and so I think you have some states

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which are very good on renewables and will continue to be good on

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renewables. A lot of people in the USA will see that coming out of

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Paris as a terrible thing for the USA and they will do things locally

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to ensure that emissions reductions are continuing to be made in the US

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and that US companies are on the forefront of technology development.

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This is a really important space to be in globally. I think we are going

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to see a revolution in energy, particularly in power and power

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generation and I think that will affect transport. You have to be in

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that space and if you're not, it will be problematic. Trevor, thank

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you very much for your time. Let's take a look at some of

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the other stories making the news. President Trump has asked the US

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Supreme Court to allow his revised travel ban which targets visitors

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from six mainly-Muslim countries. It follows an earlier decision

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by several lower courts that ruled that the ban violated

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constitutional rights. The Attorney General said

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the verdict thwarted Mr Trump's effort to protect

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US national security. Airbnb has appointed a dedicated

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boss for China as it tries to make The appointment of this local head

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has been a top priority for the home sharing giant because it faces stiff

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competition from local rivals Russia says it's ready to build

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a dozen nuclear reactors in India over the next 20 years to back

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi's growth strategy for Asia's

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third-largest economy, which continues to

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suffer power shortages. Mariko Oi in Singapore has

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more details for us. What more can you tell us? I guess

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it is somewhat related to your top story, climate change on the Paris

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agreement, but as you mentioned the two leaders of India and Russia met

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and Russia has agreed to build two new nuclear reactors at a site in

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India. India is looking to expand its green energy capacity. Those

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will be the first of 12 that will be designed and built by Russia, and

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Moscow has also agreed to lend over $4 billion for the construction and

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the two leaders really emphasised the importance of natural gas as

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well as a more economically efficient and environmentally

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friendly feel, in order to meet the Paris agreement. So despite the fact

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of the US pulling out of the agreement, the two leaders are

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really recommitting to the agreement. Thanks.

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So, what's been the markets reaction to Donald Trump's

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controversial decision to withdraw the US room the Paris

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Staying in Asia, Japan's benchmark index, the Nikkei,

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led shares higher right across they region -

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as it closed above 20,000 on Friday, chalking up its best finish

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We also saw the yen also retreated against the dollar.

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It's all thanks to some strong corporate profits and a record

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All three major New York indexes enjoyed a record close

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thanks to some forecast-busting jobs numbers.

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We'll have more on that in just a moment.

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Meanwhile, here in Europe, stocks look to be

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Well, let's hop across the pond and check in with Michelle Fleury,

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who has all the details about what's ahead on Wall Street Today.

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It is a jobs Friday in America. The closely watched monthly government

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report is likely to show US employers added 185,000 jobs in May,

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signalling that the trend of slow but steady economic growth

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continues. The unemployment rate is forecast to remain unchanged at 4.4%

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and it will be interesting to see how Wall Street reacts. All of the

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major US indexes closed higher on Thursday and Donald Trump touted

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this market's strong performance while announcing his decision to

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withdraw the US from the Paris climate accord. But analysts said

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the rise in the market was not actually due to that. Instead,

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investors had already factored that in. It was, in fact, data pointing

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to strengthening the economy that drove prices higher and set

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expectations high for this Friday's jobs report. That was Michelle

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Fleury on Wall Street. Joining us is Jeremy Cook,

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chief economist, World First. There wasn't a huge amount of

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reaction on the stock markets to this announcement that President

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Trump is going to Paul US out of the Paris climate accord. There was a

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bit of reaction with the oil price? Yes, moving a bit lower. That has

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been in a funk since the Opec meeting a week or so ago and this

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has just continued a bit of the negative trend on the belief that if

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we are at a stage where the US, one of the largest producers of energy

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globally, is moving away from renewables or in any way ceding

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responsibility for green energy and moving back towards something, for

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example oil, and more supply coming into the market it one reason we

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haven't seen too much movement of the stock markets is that it takes

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former careers to get out of the Paris Accord Audi has just signalled

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the intention to do it. The benefits will be felt over decades and stock

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markets aren't clever enough to price that in yet. There has been a

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huge reaction on Twitter. Business leaders, Goldman Sachs tweeting for

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the first time ever. He is on Twitter and bail following him and I

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hope you are because he's probably going to cry with most of the first

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week was, "Today's decision is a setback for the environment and the

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US's position in the world". You don't get more condemning than that

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and we've seen other members of the business community, Hewlett-Packard,

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Microsoft, Apple... Morgan Chase, Walmart, PepsiCo. Yes, BP Shell,

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Conoco, Exxon Mobil. Rex Tillerson was cancelling Donald Trump to stay

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part of this deal and people who have been supporting him also saying

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that this is a bad idea. Very briefly, as I did tease it, we had

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some very good news which is making people encouraged about the main

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sector. The official figures were out at 1:30pm UK town today to talk

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anything above 200,000, you would expect the dollar to rally and

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continue the record highs we have seen. The key dynamic is not how

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many jobs have been added but how they are paid. If hourly earnings

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are around 2.5 present, beating inflation, good news for rate rises

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later in the year. Jeremy, you will be back to do the papers.

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How have tech firms been reacting to the news that America is quitting

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We'll have all that and more with our techology guru

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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Only one week to the UK's election, and the markets seem very uncertain

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about the mixed messages they are getting from the polls.

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The pound is on a roller-coaster ride, rising in recent weeks

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while the FTSE keeps making new highs.

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But are any of these moves significant?

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Let's find out with our business correspondent Andrew Walker.

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Andrew, just tell us, what has the pound been doing over the last we?

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It has been up and down, and what has caused the fluctuations?

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We had a striking move on Tuesday when we got advanced indications of

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what would be in voting surveys in the next morning's papers. If you

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look at the graphs, it looks a sharp decline in fact it was half a cent

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of the dollar. That is because the survey indicated the vote was likely

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to be closer than people assumed and that the markets then took the view

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perhaps the Prime Minister is not going to have such a free hand, if

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it is Theresa May, she might otherwise have expected and it might

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create more uncertainty about what will come out of the Brexit

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negotiations. Since then, background has been regained. Certainly the

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general picture has been a continuing one of the pound is being

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significantly sensitive towards development on the political front.

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It has been a roller-coaster. Is this uncertainty set to continue.

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I guess in ten days, two weeks, one uncertainty will be over, we will

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know the result of the election. Then about to launch into the Brexit

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negotiations themselves. It is fair to say one way or another, we can

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expect to see episodes of significant uncertainty about what

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kind of post-Brexit arrangement the UK will have and I think that is

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likely to be reflected in the markets in the months ahead. Great

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to talk to you, Andrew Walker. Much more on this story on the website.

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Indeed all the stories we are covering on the business news

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website. And we are wrong Twitter. We have had some tweets already

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which we will read at the end of the programme. What you think of

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President Trump pulling out of the Paris Accord?

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President Trump has walked away from the Paris climate agreement.

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But in the next few hours, Europe and China are expected

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to reaffirm their comittments and expand their collaborations.

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We can see how the markets are reacting. They have not been

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reacting much. You can see the FTSE 100. Fairly flat. Only really

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starting to get going. Following strong finishes in Asia and the US

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overnight with all three major indices

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overnight with all three major indices in New York enjoying record

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closures on Thursday. The tech industry in particular has

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supported the Paris Agreement, and many of the big tech companies

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are currently transitioning their energy-guzzling

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data centres to using After Trump announced

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his decision yesterday, reaction from the tech

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industry was swift. Let's find out what they said

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with our technology correspondent, Fantastic to have you. We have heard

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about what the corporate world has been saying. What has the tech world

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been saying? The tech world, largely based in California, pretty liberal,

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generally, were not receptive to Donald Trump when he arrived but

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some got together and joined his various advisory councils. The big

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announcement last night, Elon Musk, the charismatic standout figure in

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Silicon Valley, he resigned, departing presidential councils,

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climate change is real, leaving Paris is not good for America all

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the world. Elon Musk, not surprising, he came under pressure

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for staying on the presidential Council. Tim Cook of Apple, not a

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guy out there much politically. A company that very much wants to get

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on with what it is doing and its vision of the world says, decision

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to withdraw was wrong for the planet. Apple is committed to fight

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climate change and we will never waver. Mark Zuckerberg went to his

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Facebook page and said it was bad for the environment and he said it

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puts our children's future at risk and in a plug, we've committed every

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new data centre will be powered by 100% renewable energy. A lot of

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these companies have big investments in green energy. That is one of the

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big frontiers in Silicon Valley. Not surprising they are not happy. What

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a reaction. And from IBM, as well. We want to talk about Amazon.

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Their share price reached a pretty penny this week. $18 when it was

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first on sale? It went through $1000. A lot of the

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acceleration over the last couple of years. What is interesting President

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Trump started his speech talking how fantastic the stock market had been

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performing under him. Of course, just about all of that was the big

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tech company stocks which continued to accelerate. I have a chart

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spotted in the Financial Times. The biggest stocks in the world by

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market capitalisation, Apple, Alphabet, that is Google, Microsoft

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and Facebook. Extraordinary transformation in the way tech

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companies were valued. We would have expected a fuel years ago Exxon

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Mobil to be top of the heap will stop technology is key to the

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American economy. It used to be like Exxon Mobil and now it is the tech

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companies and President Trump seems to be on the wrong side. It will be

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interesting to see how the relationship develops over the next

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few years. I am just going to turn my phone. Very bad practice in the

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studio. You protect guy, you have do stay plugged in! -- you are the tech

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guy. I think somebody was ringing about this. These are Snapchat

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spectacles. They have arrived in Europe will stop they have been out

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in the States for a while. I press the button. They record ten seconds

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of video. I am the guy who wore Google Glass for three months and

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eventually got sick of being mocked by my friends and family and

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colleagues. I am not sure. My issue is, they look old. They are not

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fashionable. You say that... Snapchat claims it is a camera

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company, not just a social network. I am not convinced. It is a great

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gimmick. Popular amongst a certain crowd. People who used to buy you go

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pro and strap it to their head and go down a mountain, these will be

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cheaper. I cannot talk to you. Are you not taking me seriously? It is

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knowing we are being filmed while talking to you.

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Disconcerting. We will leave it there. Have a nice weekend. In a

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What other business stories has the media been

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Jeremy Cook is joining us again to discuss.

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We asked you at the beginning of the show to let us know what you think

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about President Trump taking the US out of the Paris climate agreement.

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One said by leaving the Paris agreement, America has proved it is

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not to be relied upon in any agreement of international light.

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Lulu said, why should USA keep EU happy country to USA agreements.

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Good for Trump. Corbyn will wreck the economy so we won't need fuel.

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That is reference to Jeremy Corbyn here in the UK.

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Also Melvin Munro says, the Americans pulling out of the

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agreement is catastrophic for our world and should be repealed.

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Jeremy you were talking earlier about reaction on the markets and

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also from businesses. It feels like there has been a huge and immediate

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response. It was channelled, I do not know if you saw Emmanuel

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Macron's speech, he finished in English saying, make our world great

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again. A direct challenge to Donald Trump to say if you are going to

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take that position, I will take this position and I have more people

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behind me ready to fight back. This could be the defining, certainly

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characteristic of politics. We have economic some productivity and jobs

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and tech to talk about, but it could be channelled through this

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environmental concern. Interesting you said a lot of the oil company

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bosses tweeted to say they do not agree with the decision. They have

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huge investment tied up in green energy because the Obama plan made

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them do it. They want to be good corporate citizens. They know as

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people become aware they do not want to buy from a dirty company,

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so-called. With corporate and social responsibility they want bank for

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their buck. Facebook shareholders rejecting proposals on fake news app

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and Mark Zuckerberg control. When the headline says Facebook

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shareholders, it is Mark Zuckerberg, he has majority shares. 14% of the

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share capital. One of the richest men in the world. Most of the voting

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rights are in his back pocket and a couple of activist investors,

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including the Baldwin brothers, Juno capital, trying to push to agree to

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change terms around the promotion of fake news and around the gender pay

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gap within the company. This has been rejected. We have seen more

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activist investors taking on big business. You just have to look at

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pensions companies and the remuneration of CEOs to see this is

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a trend. Thanks for your insights. For now, thanks for watching. Have a

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nice weekend.

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